Can we peek that Ranger build you theory crafted? I feel like I've got something good going with all the control and sustain, but would like to see what you cooked up.
I've not seen anybody talk about this anywhere explicitly: Are there any pvp builds that are worth using with Dagger as the main weapon, or is it really only effective as a secondary? The main reason I ask, mind you, is that the #2 in Individual ranking for 3v3 arena on Oath pre-season ranking right now is Dagger/GS instead of GS/Dagger And the #6 is Dagger/Staff. I guess they could just swap weapons when in actual combat and leave it *equipped* that way, but there's no real reason to bother doing that. They might not USE many Dagger skills for damage, which is a fair argument. I only bring that up to highlight that there ARE top players using such a build, yet I can't find anybody talking about how it works or why they would choose that over the opposite, let alone what skill builds they use to play it. There are some REALLY hard-hitting combo options in GS, but it's not like Dagger doesn't also hit hard (though arguably it deals smaller damage hits in faster bursts, which makes sense for fast daggers vs slow cleavers). One pvp use for daggers that would be useful in arena comps: Daggers have multiple abilities that reduce a target's healing received. I largely do Dagger/GS with Dagger as my main weapon with my PvE build because I really enjoy the lightning aesthetic from its specializations and find that it does damn good DPS overall. Whereas the GS skills I equip in that same build are just one hard-hitting 3-button combo. (Arguably, Dagger would need to focus on poison, not thunderclouds, for pvp) I might just play it with myself and see how the experience is, but I've been looking around YT and Reddit to see what others say (which unfortunately leads to lots of people who just parrot what others say).
@@Maccccccc - I think with Dagger/Staff that at least makes sense, because you'd want to use the ranged abilities of the Staff and Dagger doesn't really have a lot of offensive skills that work from range. (Stigma I think, which would be a NICE execute, if there aren't better options) Lightning Infusion would actually still work for your Staff attacks (but then you couldn't use its follow-up attack, and it's just a random debuff boosting your crit now)
what you are seeing, is mainhand weapon, not the main skills the top player are using. Dagger as a main source of damage does not work. Main handing your dagger provides you with an evasion bonus and this is why most players will have dagger equipped in pvp. There are no builds that work with majority dagger skills, it is made to be a supplementary weapon.
As a ranged DPS in PvP when I get stunned I basically die. Is it a bad move to swap all my debuff duration traits to stun resistance? All guides recommend debuff duration but I don't think you can stack enough to make the stun duration short enough to survive. The stone has a long cd and is not usable in arena so I'd rather have an extra layer of defense.
That is the problem with magic range evasion builds. You will isntant die to any greatsword user that stuns you. This is why I spec melee evasion. I can still one shot squishy magic range evasion users, and I can compete against melee users. if you go magic range evasion you have significantly more damage but you are simply glass cannon
As xbow dagger, you can pickup greatsword to fight anyone whos building magic/range to dominate small scale. You can also pickup a wand and go wand/dagger to dominate all forms of content with enough skill. Or you can be like me and pickup a staff. The possibilities are endless you just need to make sure your gear synergies with your 3rd weapon.
The problem I have atm and I’m only relatively new. I got 2400 gear score so nothing great but I’m trying normal arena PvP with longbow/dagger but people can use certain skills like shadow strike and teleport to me and lock me down then stun me before I even get a shot off. The range on that skill is further then my bow which don’t make sense. I can land a few hits sometimes but then they just close the gap with skill I can cloak away and they just catch me I don’t get how I’m meant to ever attack when they just lock me down instantly then a few stun hits and I’m gone
Depends man. You will do amazing dmg as magic ranged but I have a feeling in low rank you will get creamed by a greatsword user . In higher ranks i tend to see more magic ranged but if you get stuck in a que with melee it will be bad news without multiple sets
I’m a raid boss in 3v3 arena. Unless I face super juiced swipers (im a casual swiper) I just don’t die. If I have half decent teammates I win. I’m a seeker btw. Teams focus me and then realize I’m way too tanky even after all their cc and dmg rotation
That ass backwards for PVP you have to have a specific build and there’s a matter for PV. You can throw any bullshit together and do decent damage. You’ve got an ass backwards the ones that need to be most specific our PVP for instance, you need a single target build for small scale and a group build a build that doesAOE damage and or dots and dev for large scale but for PVE you can pretty much get away with anything
@@lejedidelingobow/staff is full on dps and meant for large scale only. It’s S tier in gvg but really squishy in arena. You can make it work in arena but need a good healer on u .
@@YanZ_Hyuga I think it’s pretty viable in pvp too, in arena it’s really strong, you have good damage, and good sustain, and I don’t mention having a pocket healer. I can’t believe there is sns staff in this tier list but not bow staff.
Sns / wand, staff wand both sounds good. With staff i could do more dmg and wouldnt be group dependent like paladin i guess. Pls correct me if i‘m wrong (i guess so😂) Which one should i go?
GS-Bow is better than people think. Got a guy into the guild that has mastered this class and it is nuts. Heals himself, stunlock combo, mid damage while kiting and resets cool downs the combo...
I dont doubt this at all. On paper the class is cracked. If you play with melee evasion it gets insane good defense and still has very high offense. People just don't theory craft enough. Would love to see your friend start making content
Gs/Dagger user here i was Full Evacion in Range and Magic but was getting melted by my own class cuse of 0 meele evacion so now im full meele evacion and im getting clap by magic and range users so either way u gonna get u cheeks clap no matter what u build the important thing is not go Magic/Range eva or meele eva is just have fun.
Sns/wand player. And yes your job is to stand there and look good so the enemy will fall into your trap of lets kill this guy. While your dps kill them. Thats it 😆. So if your dps is weaker than theirs, thats pretty much gg for you. Bot fought bow/wand theyre also tanky, will need atleast 2 player to kill them efficiently but is easier to kill then sns/wand. Theyre the number q prio in arena or youe enemy team will never die.
Where is the Long Bow - Staff ?
Jesus Christ now we’re almost 5 minutes in before you’re actually going to get to the tier list
11:40 when you look on the arena que page theres a tooltip that lets you know how many of each weapon can be on a team. wand is 1 only.
lies .
where is staff and longbow
yea exactly
Can we peek that Ranger build you theory crafted? I feel like I've got something good going with all the control and sustain, but would like to see what you cooked up.
Can u do a team of 3 tier list for arena?
I've not seen anybody talk about this anywhere explicitly: Are there any pvp builds that are worth using with Dagger as the main weapon, or is it really only effective as a secondary?
The main reason I ask, mind you, is that the #2 in Individual ranking for 3v3 arena on Oath pre-season ranking right now is Dagger/GS instead of GS/Dagger
And the #6 is Dagger/Staff.
I guess they could just swap weapons when in actual combat and leave it *equipped* that way, but there's no real reason to bother doing that. They might not USE many Dagger skills for damage, which is a fair argument.
I only bring that up to highlight that there ARE top players using such a build, yet I can't find anybody talking about how it works or why they would choose that over the opposite, let alone what skill builds they use to play it.
There are some REALLY hard-hitting combo options in GS, but it's not like Dagger doesn't also hit hard (though arguably it deals smaller damage hits in faster bursts, which makes sense for fast daggers vs slow cleavers).
One pvp use for daggers that would be useful in arena comps: Daggers have multiple abilities that reduce a target's healing received.
I largely do Dagger/GS with Dagger as my main weapon with my PvE build because I really enjoy the lightning aesthetic from its specializations and find that it does damn good DPS overall. Whereas the GS skills I equip in that same build are just one hard-hitting 3-button combo. (Arguably, Dagger would need to focus on poison, not thunderclouds, for pvp)
I might just play it with myself and see how the experience is, but I've been looking around YT and Reddit to see what others say (which unfortunately leads to lots of people who just parrot what others say).
I use dagger/staff but still use mostly staff abilities. I think the constant auto attack damage from the daggers is nice
@@Maccccccc - I think with Dagger/Staff that at least makes sense, because you'd want to use the ranged abilities of the Staff and Dagger doesn't really have a lot of offensive skills that work from range. (Stigma I think, which would be a NICE execute, if there aren't better options)
Lightning Infusion would actually still work for your Staff attacks (but then you couldn't use its follow-up attack, and it's just a random debuff boosting your crit now)
what you are seeing, is mainhand weapon, not the main skills the top player are using.
Dagger as a main source of damage does not work. Main handing your dagger provides you with an evasion bonus and this is why most players will have dagger equipped in pvp.
There are no builds that work with majority dagger skills, it is made to be a supplementary weapon.
Would be interested to see your gs/lb build
As a ranged DPS in PvP when I get stunned I basically die. Is it a bad move to swap all my debuff duration traits to stun resistance? All guides recommend debuff duration but I don't think you can stack enough to make the stun duration short enough to survive. The stone has a long cd and is not usable in arena so I'd rather have an extra layer of defense.
That is the problem with magic range evasion builds. You will isntant die to any greatsword user that stuns you. This is why I spec melee evasion.
I can still one shot squishy magic range evasion users, and I can compete against melee users.
if you go magic range evasion you have significantly more damage but you are simply glass cannon
U can use these potions of the arena trader
They remove a Stun, like the stone
its a dead game bro,it already dead in korea,nonsense cc,you cant run bro instant die,this is the most thrash rpg i ever played.
@@Nesteayy it wont work,the cool down is 1minutes,once you spawn it still cooldown lmao!.
@@5-ht2ajust can just say you're bad at the game without crying
u right about the staff gs. I be stuck on CD after 1 kill. No skill available for like 6 seconds
Hi. What would be better to build ? Melee evasion or ranged/magic evasion ?
im xbow dagger. Was wondering what 3rd weapon would be ideal to fight my counters for small scale? Or would that depend on gear?
As xbow dagger, you can pickup greatsword to fight anyone whos building magic/range to dominate small scale.
You can also pickup a wand and go wand/dagger to dominate all forms of content with enough skill.
Or you can be like me and pickup a staff.
The possibilities are endless you just need to make sure your gear synergies with your 3rd weapon.
Will you be making a overworld conflict zone, GvG/large scale type tier list as well?
coming soon friend
@@SolAshur much appreciated
Tnx brother, keep it coming! I would like mastery guide done by you. What weapon to keep up in which situations, which masterys to look at and so on.
coming sooon friend
The problem I have atm and I’m only relatively new. I got 2400 gear score so nothing great but I’m trying normal arena PvP with longbow/dagger but people can use certain skills like shadow strike and teleport to me and lock me down then stun me before I even get a shot off. The range on that skill is further then my bow which don’t make sense.
I can land a few hits sometimes but then they just close the gap with skill I can cloak away and they just catch me I don’t get how I’m meant to ever attack when they just lock me down instantly then a few stun hits and I’m gone
Stun resist and fortitude
So full range magic evasion on xbow dagger for arena?
Depends man. You will do amazing dmg as magic ranged but I have a feeling in low rank you will get creamed by a greatsword user . In higher ranks i tend to see more magic ranged but if you get stuck in a que with melee it will be bad news without multiple sets
I’m a raid boss in 3v3 arena. Unless I face super juiced swipers (im a casual swiper) I just don’t die. If I have half decent teammates I win. I’m a seeker btw. Teams focus me and then realize I’m way too tanky even after all their cc and dmg rotation
Gs/Staff is really strong, I'm surprised people didn't discover the tech yet
it is a very strong duelist class. Probably one of the best 1v1 classes in the game.
@@SolAshurbro can you please tell me why? I really wanna swap to it but everyone’s saying it’s hot azz
@@DeAnavarrcause it is you will dump cd and then just be a walking target
Can you provide a build for global edition all this gear isnt available
I don't want to dox your server but what guild are you in?
That ass backwards for PVP you have to have a specific build and there’s a matter for PV. You can throw any bullshit together and do decent damage. You’ve got an ass backwards the ones that need to be most specific our PVP for instance, you need a single target build for small scale and a group build a build that doesAOE damage and or dots and dev for large scale but for PVE you can pretty much get away with anything
what rank did you finish with in pre season?
Bro, where is bow staff ?
To be honest it's rough with bow staff so i can see why he didn't put it up there lmao😭😭 still 🔥🔥
@@YanZ_Hyuga cause it’s bad ?
@@lejedidelingobow/staff is full on dps and meant for large scale only. It’s S tier in gvg but really squishy in arena. You can make it work in arena but need a good healer on u .
Not for pve BUT for pvp there are better choices
@@YanZ_Hyuga I think it’s pretty viable in pvp too, in arena it’s really strong, you have good damage, and good sustain, and I don’t mention having a pocket healer.
I can’t believe there is sns staff in this tier list but not bow staff.
bow/staff ?
They fucking God man, four minutes in before we get to the content the title talks about
Every story has a backstory.
Are The Arena kills count on killboard?
No they do not.
And if you want a proper acronym for what you just use TLDR for it’s called FYI
bro who shit in your cereal; whyd you leave 5 hate comments lmfao.
You Forgot Bow Staff
I have a hard time winning 1v1s with staff/dagger. Probably because im only 2600.
Sounds like you encounter people who are "win trading"
Yo, I got my combo down with GS/Staff lolll, I'm glad I can make it to C tier. This gives me some ideas on what I'd like to try though.
That is not at all what TLDR stands for or means
Sns / wand, staff wand both sounds good. With staff i could do more dmg and wouldnt be group dependent like paladin i guess. Pls correct me if i‘m wrong (i guess so😂)
Which one should i go?
I’m sns wand and I’m starting to want to change tbh
@ i went to xbow dagger 🤣
There isnt a single crossbow build in S tier. Seems about right.
crossbow too gear dependant to be S tier. Any class with that amount of gear would be good lmao
I cant decide if I want to go pvp or pve... I HATE getting ganked in the world lol
GS-Bow is better than people think. Got a guy into the guild that has mastered this class and it is nuts. Heals himself, stunlock combo, mid damage while kiting and resets cool downs the combo...
I dont doubt this at all. On paper the class is cracked. If you play with melee evasion it gets insane good defense and still has very high offense.
People just don't theory craft enough. Would love to see your friend start making content
Hi, I want to play with this Biuld longbow/greatsword... which guide is he following?
Was running ranger class as well but dropped it for gs wand. Much better
Gs/Dagger user here i was Full Evacion in Range and Magic but was getting melted by my own class cuse of 0 meele evacion so now im full meele evacion and im getting clap by magic and range users so either way u gonna get u cheeks clap no matter what u build the important thing is not go Magic/Range eva or meele eva is just have fun.
The answer is your build. If your gs dagger build to tank not evade. Endurance is better to run
bro i was one of those noobs getting pushed off arena .......
But we’re not happy into it. You’re five minutes in.
They need To balance shit out seriosly
Darkblighter to B and Spellblade to A and the list is perfect.
this is also cope
Sns/wand player. And yes your job is to stand there and look good so the enemy will fall into your trap of lets kill this guy. While your dps kill them. Thats it 😆. So if your dps is weaker than theirs, thats pretty much gg for you. Bot fought bow/wand theyre also tanky, will need atleast 2 player to kill them efficiently but is easier to kill then sns/wand. Theyre the number q prio in arena or youe enemy team will never die.
So many disclaimers are silly
tier lists are highly controversial . maybe i was too careful with this one as it was my 1st for TNL
Blue evasion gear ftw
fully traited anything can compete in this game if the build has enough synnergy.
I know people that won duels in greens in kr
1st
The tierlist is based of who spends more lucent.
this is cope
NERF DAGGER !!
Dagger is already nerfed. As a main weapon it does very little damage.
*Throne and Liberty Tier List:* 🤣
*American Express.*
*Mastercard.*
*VISA.*
this is cope