Audi RS4 & S4 - Better WRX or Expensive Camry? - Everyday Driver Review
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- Affordable AWD performance cars aren't common, and the Subaru WRX is often on the short list. But what about getting a used Audi for the same money. We put a similarly priced RS4 and S4 together to talk about all-weather performance, fun, and what gives a car personality.
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The Audi's feel like they're going a lot slower than they actually are. It's easy to go fast in them, and they handle the speed very well.
Elycius M. Very true. Especially if you let your foot sleep in sport mode. B8 A4. Turbocharged i4.
Same thing goes with my B9 A4. About 260 HP in a car of that size is a lot. Best thing is how well it sticks to the road thanks to awesome tires and Quattro working hand in hand. Audi makes by far some of the best luxury/sports cars on the planet.
Ultimate highway cruisers! My B6 A6 avant feels plenty quick with only 220HP!
True, its easy to go over speed limits because you don't feel the speed and the acceleration is fast and VERY smooth...
I just found a mint condition '05 S4 and I am constantly looking at the speedometer because at 100mph it feels like 60. It's so unbelievable smooth.
Great Video! But I find it very irritation that you switch the presenter / the voice in the off every two seconds. My advice would be one presenter sticks to one car, otherwise it is hard to distinguish weather you are talking about the S4 or the RS4.
Versatzgetriebe I thought I am the only one. how hard is it to follow the review n which car are they talking about
True
I like how they do it. One per car doesn't take the comparison across.
The S4 has a smooth wheel, the RS4 has dimples.
Agree. Was highly confusing. Usually it isn't a problem. The two gray vehicles didn't help.
the B8 S4's have hydraulic steering not electric, the B8.5 S4's switched to electric steering
Exactly
Had no idea, thought they were all electric. Thanks for the 2 year late info.
Reason #2 why I can't sell mine!
IIRC, B8 has hydraulic steering with electric assist (whatever that means). At least that’s what I remember being told when I got my B8. The B8.5 is definitely electric, though. They feel completely different.
Just swooped a moonlight blue metallic example, 6 MT w/ Sports Differential
ATTENTION!
The 4.2 V8 in the RS4 is NOT the same as the timing chain failure prone 4.2 V8 in the B6/B7 S4.
I notice way to many people thinking the B7 RS4 has an unreliable engine which it has not, probably one of Audis/VAG's most reliable engines.
AxXeNiCe you sir are correct👍
Carbon build up would be their crutch like the timing chain is to the b6/b7 s4’s
The 4.2 and the 4.2 fsi are practically the same motor with various updated. The timing is the same except the guides in the rs4 are metal. I just built a 4.2 with the rs4 timing kit
I'm a little late, but if you buy the RS4 or JHM chain guides, then you can make the 4.2 in the S4 pretty reliable.
this
The B7 RS4 interior looks a million times better with the bucket seats and sport steering wheel from Europe
i wait for your videos eagerly..you are one of the only few ones who show how can one have fun on winter tires..
filming was top notch aswell
Damn you guys beautiful work! That shot way above the apex 8n the half circle was breath taking. Just amazing
Beautiful photography in this one - very nice.
Thank you!
Great video as always. I really enjoyed this particular comparison as I'm currently cross shopping each of these models. Thanks!!
Amazing job, guys!
By the way, your appearance on Autoblog made for the best episode in a long time.
Great video guys! I'm definitely happy with my S4. Sure I would love a Cayman or 911 but the S4 checked 99% of the boxes for what I needed and was looking for.
I have a 2016 S5, and on 18" winter tires the feedback is completely different from the 20" summer tires. Also have the active rear diff, and that helps a great deal on cornering.
Finally, a proper Audi video. I started watching this channel back when Paul put up that Avant video. It's what got me into a B7 Avant and Avants in general(I've owned a C6, and now a C6.5).
First time viewer. Great production and informed opinions. I really enjoyed your guys' demeanour. I've subscribed for more!
Thank you guys for the informative and thorough review. I remember watching this when it came out last summer, and decided a used B8 S4 would be in my future for daily driving here in Oregon. There are many wonderful reasons to live in Oregon, but having a large selection of used S4's is not one them. So finally, after 4 months of keeping my eyes open, a low-mileage 2011 sprint blue S4 came up for sale. I jumped on it. After 3 weeks of ownership, I can confirm that your comments on the car are spot-on. I have an 80-mile round trip commute to work each day, and just came from a Focus ST. Yes, the steering feel is muted and you are a bit insulated from the road, but for a daily driver, especially in Oregon winters, that's a good thing. As you pointed out, the AWD system is awesome and provides a level of stability on the hwy that the fwd Focus ST was missing.
Your tip about needing a second 'fun' car is spot-on as well... So I have NC Miata set up for Auto-X, as nothing this side of a Lotus has better steering feel.
Thanks again and keep up the good work.
jjuhring1 Appreciate the insights. What is it about the S4 that has everyone so freaked out about buying one used? How has yours held up so far?
Excellent work guys. I appreciate the efforts put into the review. "Graduating" to an S4 soon.
The other guy looks like Buffalo Bill from the Silence of the Lambs but great videos still.
He does a little
oh wait....was she a great big fiat peerson?
Looks kinda like he dresses up like a lady on the weekends.
i clicked onto this thinking this was another car magazine making their show for youtube, but the fact that it has such high production value alongside the professional presentation from just you two is incredible
Loved seeing these two Audis compared. Constantly swapping between interior shots of both cars driven by both reviewers made it really hard to follow which was which. Would have been better if Paul drove one car and Todd drove the other. Or review RS4 first, then S4 second.
Thanks for the videos. Keep up the good work!
Love your channel!!! Just the kind of channel I've been looking for! Any E92 reviews or comparison vids?
B8 Audi S4 does not use electronic steering rack it's hydraulic, B8.5 was when Audi first introduced it to the S4
I have an Rs4 with over a 100,000 miles on it....
It hasn’t been maintained as well as it should by the previous owners but you wouldn’t know it.
The engine is wonderful!
It’s built like a tank! 😁
Hey, do you still have it? I've been thinking about getting one but I'm afraid of something going horribly wrong with the engine, especially because it's used. I know the big problems are the timing chain, water pump, and PCV, but will replacing all of those prevent anything else catastrophic from randomly happening? (plus good oil changes and such, the normal stuff).
I love your videos from years and years ago.. you guys rock
I am pretty happy this video popped up in my recommendations. I really enjoyed the content you definitely earned my sub!
One of the best intros I've ever seen to a channel. Subbed immediately
great review as always guys
"RS4,ALTA!" on the front licence plate is actually German for "RS4, BRO!"
Hilarious! :DDD
2011 s4 for sure. to be a daily you gonna need that superior technology and is more prety. just love it i really want one
Great video. Would love to see more about other AWD car options, not just the 9-2x you did. Thanks!
@ 0:56, The way the triangular red portion of the lower reverse light lines up with the line in the concrete floor is highly satisfying.
Did the S4 had the optional sport diff? Didn't see you guys mentioned if the owner option it up that way
S4 with the tune is Bananas!
S4 impressed by performance and driving feel
but the RS4 is just a Special car , not just for VAG fans
Adrian Fidi what's a Vag fan?
Volkwagen Auto Group
I'm a Vag fan, but I think we're talking about two different things.
VAG means "Volkswagen Aktien Gesellschaft" which translates to "Volkswagen group corporation".
Adrian Fidi I think they hit it on the head the rs4 makes you want to go out for a drive vs the s4 is a nice ride at least stock don't get me wrong nice looking car but I'd want something more out there
Steering is hydraulic in both cars....
Correct!
They are actually a combination of both hydraulic and electronic (hyrdo-electronic) steering. The newer Audis have a far more electronic biased steering and you loose a lot of feedback and the system is quite numb.
This is true. B8.5 went electronic.
+Chance Hales to clarify this just means it's an electronic pump moving the hydronic fluid instead of a belt driven pump, right?
I think that is a big part of it. To my understanding it is a way of keeping hydraulic steering but allows for adjusting, such as different steering setting like street and sport.
No comparison. The Subbie interior is where The Dollar Store met the plastic recycling center. The Camry only just came out with AWD for 2020 models.
Currently owning a b7 s4, I just couldn't see myself replacing an RS4 v8 for a V6 S4 engine simply based on what you guys said.... Character! Love it guys keep up the great work!
amazing review!!
WRX isn't even in the same league. Apples and oranges.
yes they kind of are. because you can get a new wrx for the same price of a used s4 or older rs4. so who in his right mind would still pick up the Subaru when you can get an Audi that will give you more?
Correct. Because sometimes an orange will give you the zing you won't get from an apple. But you still like apples!
bel976 Subarus are trash
Quix lmao. Yeah when they go neglected for so long. When maintained with little stuff here and there it’s not that bad
“Preach brotha!”
The B8 S4 (2010-2012) has hydraulic steering. The B8.5 (2013-present) have electronic steering. Since that's a 2011 -- it's hydraulic. The B8 S4 is a great car and a definite sleeper. The B8.5 can hit 60 in 4.4 stock. With a Stage 2 tune with pulley upgrade, they get like 150 more hp & I've seen a 3.8 second to 60 run. The DSG is quicker than the manual.
Hey Everyday Driver! I was wondering where this video was shot. The roads here are beautiful just like the cars :)
keep on the good work!
How do you guys not work for top gear? Fantastic reviews. I love this channel.
Great comparison. I still miss my B7. BTW, where did you guys film this?
After watching this a while back I sought out a used S4. Found a one owner 2010 with 37k for $21k. I love the car. Thanks for the video
Happy driving 🙂 Bought a 2010 3.2 FSI Quattro sedan with Tiptronic and 44.000 kilometers on it with full Audi history and nearly full optioned for 10.000€ today in Monzasilver. Great car, but I'm missing gear 7 and 8 like in your S4 for highway cruising
Wow I need to check out some of those videos I've missed!
I recently purchased an S4 Avant B6 and it is really a stunning car to drive, amazing. She has a full service history to the dreaded timing chain SEEMS ok. Stunning power and torque.
Having just bought a b7 rs4 this is a great confidence build! Not that I wasn't confident ut buying one in the first place, but I love hearing your guys view and opinions, not looking forward to the fuel consumption and the buying of brake discs and what not haha!
Love you guys. Best car videos
Love your quality and craft. Love Subaru and Audi. Best awd systems in my opinion.
Have you guys ever considered doing part of the review driving at night? I feel that's a big part of driving as well as all other weather conditions. Awesome video as always!
great video guys 💪💪👌👌
Great video!
OK I'm now a fan of your channel . I personally own a Daytona 07 Rs4 and a 15 Sepang S4 w/ S-Tronic and Blk Optic package. The S4 is my DD. Your descriptions are very good considering you only had what appears to be a weekend in both cars.
The S4 is almost as fast IMO, if you were to do a 4th gear pull...the Rs4 would pull away good. What the Rs4 offers is what you guys said..personality. Its wonderfully analog. It has that pre-flatplane crank sound that is cacophonous to 8200rpms.
I've always felt that the Rs4 is a smoking hot MILF that ran track in college but still does local 5K's and crushes 20 somethings in stilettos , while the S4 is the sweet good looking daughter that tries to emulate the Mom but in flats.
Keep up the good work !
beautiful video and scenery. wonder where did they shoot this video..
RS4 and 2010-12 (B8) S4 both have hydraulic steering. Only 2013+(B8.5) S4 changed over to electric steering.
It's so funny to watch this video, this is where I go with my WRX and motorcycle for fun short drives. SLC up Emigration and over down that hill through the 'chicane' and then straight to the freeway.
I wish there is a review for the new 2018 s4 or all s4 in comparison. The content are very informative but the title I don't agree. Audi might not be the 1st on every categories, but 2nd on every categories in one car which make their car become one of the best for daily drive. If you are buying an Audi s4 for the track car or 0-100km/h that's wrong car to choose. Thanks again for this beautiful shot. One of the best channels.
Ignoring reliability and ownership costs as a fun four door which would you prefer, B7 RS4 or Lexus ISF (the later model with lsd)? Does the manual vs auto make all the difference or perhaps the extra torque and real wheel drive trump the 4wd and power deficit? Thanks
The intro alone made me subscribe!
Great comparison. Just a note at the end: no RS4 8E / B7 from factory ever reached the performance of 420hp. They were all between realistic 370-390hp at the crank, depending on mileage the real bad ones do 350hp. There's carbon buildup in the cylinder heads on one side, on the other there's the airbox inlet which is too small. The engine will not get the air the engine is trying to get. Audi knew about this problem, so they decided to mount a flap in the airbox to reduce drag. Unfortunately they placed it directly at the header, which will lead to excessive intake air temperatures when opened at low speeds manually. So the flap will only open at speeds exceeding 125mph. Do the carbon cleaning and a good cold air intake system and it'll have it's 420hp. If you are used to the RS4 it's like day and night before/after. Great car, great engine which is bullet proof when it's serviced properly.
Nice comparison!
Subscribed!
Did your S4 have the active sport differential option?
The 2011 Audi S4 has hydraulic steering, not electric steering. Kind of odd you would make such an error considering you talked about the steering of the car so much.
Now do a comparo of the RS4 vs. the E9x M3, maybe even the C63 please! Would love to see an updated and more factual version of that comparison than the Top Gear bit.
coilovers (after the DRC inevitably fails), solid tie rod ends, and spherical sway bar end links tighten up handling tremendously.
I never thought i would love an audi after driving range rovers for many years till i bought a 13 q5 hybrid, that 400 lbs torque is ridiculous, u cant even hear the engine unless u really get into it. i have never drove such a precise quiet better driving car. i wonder if the rs4 is as refined as my q5. obviously more power.
FYI, video is wrong, the steering is hydraulic on the B8 up to 2012 and electric from 2013 and up.
great stuff as usual gents, love the real world angle and the fact that you guys seek out used cars to test!
Also - that 11 S4 does not have dynamic steering. The ratio does not change. It only gets more or less stiff in the different modes.
Old vid I know, but these cars both have hydraulic steering guys. The B8 didn't get electric steering until they facelifted it.
Does the redline of both engines affect driving pleasure? I believe the B7 RS4 had an extremely high redlines (8700rpm?) vs the B8 S4 (6500rpm?). Good to note that the U.S B7 RS4 came missing with a lot of interior goodies. Most notable is the Euro carbon bucket seats and the thick flat-bottomed steering wheel.
Stumbled over this video while thinking about buying a facelift B8 S4 in 2020. I have to admit, I kinda admire the old stick shift B7 RS4, maybe not the fastest sport sedan, but will an amazing vehicle.
Also, the RS4 Alta plate on the rs4 is hilarious to me as a German.
I have a 2013 Audi S4 prestige that I picked up for 30k I put another 5k into it for APR Stage 2+ tune and stoptech brakes and it's amazing.
Isn't the 2011 Audi S4 the last year of the mechanical steering rack and in 2012 onward they went electrical? So the steering should be similar but just a different ratio to that of the RS4.
I drove an RS4 like that this sunday! :D Awesome car in my opinion
I found a 2011 335 xdrive msport with 9k miles for 30k in 2015 loving it
Big fan of high performance awd sedans
Good for you man! That's the last "Real" 3-Series ( E90) before BMW switched to numb electric steering and Chassis dynamics that belong on a Lincoln lol
May I ask, what camera do you use to film this episode?
What are the squee sounds in the S4? you can hear them a few times, i hope it's just your shoes on the pedals and not the interior?
GLC43 ! WRX is _always_ on the list of affordable AWD performance.
8:10 I love that rumble!
Can you guys do a generational review of the corvettes? Similar to the one you guys did on the m3s
AND also very elegant and understated which I like, mine has no badges at all so passes for a 2.0 A4, really a stealth car..
I drive a B8 generation S5. It has all the amenities that the B8 S4 in this video had, but a lot of the characteristics of the RS4 as well as my car uses the 4.2L V8. It's, if you ask me, the best of both worlds. Probably slightly slower than the 3.0T S4, about the same speed of the RS4. And the only "trade off" is it being a coupe, if you're not into that sort of thing. A very good balance between the two vehicles shown here.
My 2010 S4/Camry is like new with less than 40k miles. It only about 20hp short of a Ferrari F40 and likely quicker than the F40. A complete monster of a car and much quicker than my 997 9114s.
I am here to "make comments"! LOL
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rs4 is absolutely amazing!!!owned 2 diff s4,s and the rs4 is a total diff beast!!!!!
wow where was this filmed so cool
I had a 2004 Audi b6 1.8t 6 speed manual quattro of course. I loved the car but when things broke down it was a headache to deal with. As a average mechanic at best I tried to do what I could, kind of made me glad I didn't end up getting a b5 s4 as I originally planned. But for some reason like many other Audi owners I know I will own a rs4 or s4 even if it means having to spend 5k on a the stupid chain tensioners.
8:09 love that rumble
I have an opportunity to purchase a 2002 Porsche Carrera 4 Cabriolet with 64,000 miles, engine swapped for a 52,000 mile engine, IMS replaced for $15,000. Is this a good purchase? Please advise...🙏
Decently sure the B8 still had hydraulic steering. Wasn't until the 2013 B8.5 refresh that they moved to electric steering.
I was thinking the same.
Yup and it does have some steering road feel in dynamic mode that does give you a sense of the road when pushed (not at low speeds). This review kinda exposes these guys as as not doing their homework and not being able to feel road vibrations.
@@BrianWEnglish 99% reviewers dont feel cars, but telling myths and talking what audience wants to hear.
Great cars! I almost lost it when owners had chain guide issues. Google the chain guide pictures of the Audi V8....
Why you mod it up?
Because it greatly improves an already awesome experience.
Just picked up a 2011 b8 s4 and it's amazing.i have a b5 s4 too stage 3 and they're totally different beasts.
Sounds like a premium package AAA subscriber! Haha
I own a b5, 6, 7, and 8.5. Called the tow truck many of times. Love em but damn they are a maintenance nightmare
Right with you Paul, as I loved my '04 B6 Avant with the Sports Package!
My wife's '03 TT Roadster was a blast, too.
Neither of them compare to my '09 E90 M3 though :D
B8 S5 2008-2012 with the 4.2 V8 does not have the timing chain problems. I own a 2010 with 75k, runs the same as it did when I got it at 30k miles. Get compliments on it all the time. It has a respectable 355hp & 320lbs torque, plenty for a DD in which is how I use mine. AWE track exhaust on it is something else.
So is the steering in 2011 S4 electric or hydraulic? I thought B8.5 has electric...and even with electric there are 2 different steering racks...one with fixed ratio and the other on is from RS5 I think with dynamic variable ration. Correct me if wrong
I have A5 8T 2008 and its hydraulic
Hi guys I really like this channel and this comparison between different cars ,can you do with Mercedes Cls63 AMG 2007 and Mercedes C63 AMG 2007