2010 Audi S4 vs. 2007 Audi RS4
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- The Smoking Tire takes two hot Audi's, the 2010 S4 and the 2007 RS4, up into the canyons of Malibu to find out how their newest sport sedan compares to their best sport sedan.
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navigation or not should never be a topic for a car. Engine, suspension, transmission and if time allows sure radio etc talk.
agreed
Haha this video is so old
Agreed
he sold his RS4 for a Hummer and he wants us to listen to his opinion on cars....
fuzzytraveler watch it again. He sold his B6 S4 (V8) for a Hummer. But yeah, still a bonehead decision.
+fuzzytraveler My thoughts exactly.
+crossphaded I'm pretty sure Matt owns plenty of other cars that can fill the spot the Audi left. On the other hand, an h1 is well an h1.
Nate Miller me not la
Made my stomach hurt when he said that
Sold is s4 for a hummer h1? Wtf man???
Right ?!? That's like breaking up with Annabella Sciorra to date Roseanne lol
I love how much Craig talks about his ex wife. Shit cracks me up.
Frankly Im not surprised she ditched that douche of a man. He makes me cringe every time he opens his mouth.
These guys spent so much time on little shit like navigation and the armrests and the sound
why dont they actually talk about the suspension and the gearing and the handling instead of babbling about the stupid satnav
Because they don't know the mechanics of the cars they drive... They are just journalists trying to sound like they know the car. The set up in the RS4 is awesome. All that weight at the front end and yet the balance around corners with the 4 wheel drive system is epic.
Because that's what the buyers focus on, duh...
Craig that the most negative thing bout the car -It's the nose heaviness regardless beeing quattro or not
These comments are 2 years old but ok.... My point was the fact even though it is nose heavy you wouldn't notice as the balance and handling of the car is amazing. Put it around a track with any of its class rivals and it would go round the corners just as good if not better then its rivals. Hats off to the engineers.
Craig idk bout the corner handling, driving a B6 myself btw
My B6 S4 breaks my wallet sometimes, but whenever I think about selling it just puts me in a sour mood. I adore Audis, and will undoubtedly own more, but i'm holding on to that B6 as long as I can.
I've got one ('04) too. I've got 48K on it and bought it new in August. of 2004. I've been fortunate so far. My '07 RS4 isn't running right so I've parked it until I can get some more info on what comes up as a random cylinder mis-fire? It's been great until the day I started it in the garage and it didn't sound right. I cut it off & bought one of those plug in readers to just get an idea of what was going on? It's only got 45K so I'm hoping it's not something too terrible. The day before it did this the check engine light came on but it was running as normal so I thought I'd get the diagnose plug in thing and just see. Then the next day before it arrived the weird start and sound so I turned it right off. I got to the the passenger air bag replaced so I'm thinking just have it hauled to the dealer. BTW, I thought I had the air bag fixed as I took it to the dealer and they performed the replacement. They just forgot to tell me it was a temporary fix and I still had to get the final fix. I only found out because I kept getting notices in the mail so I called Audi and they called me back telling me Birmingham Audi only did a temporary fix. I can't help but think this is pretty lame on the dealership's part as well as Audi who was hounding me to get it fixed so I made an appointment. Never was it told before or after my car was still dangerous as far as the passenger airbag.
@@johnwerner4925 I've gotten misfires due to hitting the 8250 rpm fuel cutoff. If you suspect this may be the case, just clear the code (and shift sooner). If the car actually isn't running right, it may be time to check for carbon buildup (45k miles is about right for that maintenance). Expect to pay about $1200 for that.
LOL no rear shots of the car whatsoever that's a joke
I just traded in my 2010 S4 (with all the options) for an 2007 RS4. It was a really difficult trade off. Despite the similar appearances, they are very different cars. The S4 is refined in a way the RS4 isn't. That being said, the RS4 just puts a smile on your face when you drive.
Here's my list:
S4:
- DCG gearbox is amazing, but like any automatic, a bit boring. It's also a bit scary when you consider maintenance costs.
- Longer wheelbase is a bit unwieldy around town.
- Looks more like a luxury car than a sports car.
- Can be tuned to around 400HP for a couple thousand dollars.
- Supercharged V6 has more torque than RS4 V8.
- Awesome touring car. You can live in this thing.
- A few more inches of legroom in back row.
- Torque distribution is mind blowing. It will basically turn into a RWD if you want it to.
- Respectable gas mileage. I've gotten slightly over 30MPG on a 20 mile trip.
- Surprising power. I've blown past cars at 140mph on a 5% uphill grade with no effort.
RS4:
- V8 is awesome. The sound, the high RPMs. The real win here is the upgrade potential. $12K will net you a supercharger that can boost it to 600HP.
- Shorter wheelbase makes it feel more maneuverable, especially in the parking garages where I dinged the wheels on my S4 more than once.
- Great looking stance.
- Not a good touring car. You'll be exhausted after a hundred miles.
- Has more understeer than S4, esp at low speed (tires will shudder around tight corners).
- Gas mileage isn't something you want to think about.
- The interior feels shitty compared to S4 (mine is almost 4 years older, but age isn't all of it).
- Power. Holy shit. Someone in a new WRX tried to race me from a light a few days ago. By the time I shifted into second gear he was at least 3 car lengths behind, by third I could barely see him anymore (I think he gave up about 1/8 mile back).
At the end of the day, I had some remorse over letting go of the S4, but then I realized that I'd put more miles on the RS4 in the first two weeks I owned it than I had in the last two months of owning the S4. It's just that much fun to drive. I literally drive for no reason other than to wind the engine out. Also, I was extremely concerned about maintenance costs on the S4. The DCG transmission, the sports differential... I'm guessing had I held onto it past 100K I'd have regretted it. The RS4 is relatively basic by comparison, and therefore likely to be cheaper to maintain.
If you want a great touring car with respectable power, the B8 S4 is hard to beat. If you want raw power with a lot of upgrade potential, choose the RS4.
+Cliff Wells The problem is the RS4 has that V8 with the timing chains against the firewall. That thing is known to have bad expensive problems. Don't get me wrong, it's a nicer car than the S4, but if you want a reliable audi sports sedan a *manual* B8 S4 is the way to go. The DSG does nullify that a bit as it is failure prone and expensive to fix, but the V8 will cost you a lot more when (not if) those timing chains go wrong.
NorfKhazad I did some research on your claim, and it appears that the timing chain issues are solely applicable to the B7 S4, not the B7 RS4. The 24V V8 in the S4 has plastic guides, the 30V V8 in the RS4 has plastic covered metal guides and doesn't have the same issues.
Further, even for the S4, it appears that these concerns are overstated and result from improper maintenance (e.g. following VAG's stupid 10k oil change intervals rather than the more reasonable 3-5k intervals that most enthusiasts adhere to) or from driving the car too hard when it's cold.
The only known issues for the RS4 relate to the cross-linked suspension, which is typically solved with aftermarket coilovers (already done on my car), a weak clutch slave cylinder (also resolved with aftermarket parts), and rusting issues along the bottom of the doors (mine has a bit of this, although you can't see it unless you lay on your back).
The only articles I could find relating to RS4 timing chains were S4 owners wanting to replace their parts with the improved RS4 parts.
Interesting. I did a bit of reading myself and it sounds like you're correct that the only major issue is the suspension. That puts a B7 RS4 on my list along with the B8 S4. I'll have to see if I can find one to take for a spin at some point. I assumed since they both had the 4.2 V8 that they would have the same issues, but I'm glad I was wrong. Thanks!
are these fake comments? people being helpful in youtube comments? what in the world is happening, the end is nigh etc etc.
good info though gents : )
When the DSG goes bad (it will), expect to dish out >4000USD for the repair
@350Zed I'm sorry, but people don't realize how hard we work just to make the videos that do get made. Given our tiny crew of 2 and our budget of $0, it's amazing they get made at all. I'm glad our production quality is on par with much bigger budget stuff, but people constantly expect things of us that are way out of our budget just because our shots look great. We do everything we can every time we can to keep you guys informed and entertained.
B6 s4 for a h1 hummer? Tf
@ndavis80 if you would like to pay for us to rent a race track or to close roads so we can drift cars around corners, please make all checks out to The Smoking Tire, LLC. Until then, its way out of our budgets so either enjoy the content we do make, or watch another show.
@racewithferrari S4, the interior is much more interesting, the seats are better, and the AWD system is superior to BMW's. Only way I'd take the bimmer is if I wanted to put a bunch of aftermarket stuff on it, as that engine has more tuning potential.
"Douchebag Factor"
LMAO.
Great review, the RS4 is in my opinion one of the greatest 4 door sedans of all time. Those flared wheel arches and that sweet v8, the only thing that would make it perfect is a diet of 400lbs and the engine a little further back. Keep em coming guys, really loving the straightforward approach to these reviews, its refreshing to see something that isn't a regurgitation of every car magazine review.
@brannyK051 yes, they will, since we are no longer using Next New Networks's software.
Moaning about the Bose stereo quality when driving the V8 makes no sense to me!
Alfa_Driver It sounds pretty good honestly once you have a proper audio source and not FM radio. But yes, totally agree!
I bought an Android head unit (Xtrons, looks close to stock), but it's just for navigation. The V8 is the only appropriate music for this car.
@@wellscliff I went on to own a B7 S4 Avant after this video, and I don't know what that guy Craig is going on about, the Bose system sounded fine! Sold it and driving other things now 😁
@@ironingbored It all depends on what you're used to. Going from the B&O system in the B8 S4 to the Bose in the B7 RS4 made the difference in audio quality painfully apparent. If you're happy with the Bose, don't listen to a B&O. It'll save you money ;-)
But the fact is, the Bose system sounds much better than the Concert systems in other Audis of the era, so it's certainly not bottom of the heap by any means.
@@wellscliff agreed, compared to something more modern like a B&O system or Bowers & Wilkins, the B6/B7 Bose shows its age. However, the noise from the NA V8 is far superior to the B8s Bi Turbo V6, so it's swings and roundabouts I guess! 🙂
@leonardomoses Not true. In production right now are the TTRS and RS6
2021 and still gorgeous.
@traxxasslash26 their build quality is stellar, but out-of warranty maintenance on them can get very expensive, as with all German luxury cars. Plus, I have seen some electrical problems in some of the newer models.
@DrJCCC20 it remains to be seen whether the V8 will fit in this platform, but I guess we'll see.
The RS4 I would take over any new S4 any day, looks better, sounds better, and I wouldn't regret buying it. It's stupid that Audi hasn't figured out the oil consumption issue yet. Other better cars like BMW and Mercedes-Benz don't have issues like those, because they work them out. The oil consumption issue has been there for years Audi, figure it out. The 4.2 litre is beast and one of the best engines.
The really like the older Audi's !
My S4 has the 4.2v8, 150,000kms does not burn oil.
However I think superchargers burn some oil though.
Spirited Driver Thats normal for a supercharged/turbo cars...that means that the oil is doing its job.
So i just found this video, no idea why it showed up in my feed today. And then I just realized that is Craig Lieberman lol.
@duework12 craig makes car videos, sometimes for himself and sometimes with us. He's a good dude. Not really into movies anymore though.
I was blessed enough to be taken on the track @ thunderhill in the Rs4 and there was no compation the s4 was awsome but the Rs4 was just a whole differant level of crazy sick fast it just stuck better and held on at the limit with less im gonna die feeling
Matt, glad to see some besides myself that has a real love for wagons. They're so useful, so practical, and in my eyes, looks much better than a sedan. I'm only 24, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to be a wagon owner all my life.
Now they need to make a Mazdaspeed6 wagon, and I'd be set!
Watching this in 2017, Holy Cow those side burns Matt! Superb!
Even after all these years this early smoking tire stuff is still absolute quality
@350Zed race tracks are expensive, prohibitively so in most cases. Besides, anyone with a computer and google can look up the drag numbers, which I have (RS4: 4.7/13.2@106, S4: 4.9/13.2@106).
that E-brake armrest battle has been raging since the 90's! My 1993 S4 has the same exact issue, but since im always shifting, and usually have a dog in the back seat, the upright arm rest is a great buffer anyways
+m8sullivan I have a b6 s4, never noticed it lol. My biggest complaint is the cup holders suck.
The trunk may be big but the interior is not roomy like this guy claims. The back seat is pretty much a joke
What back seat
I like BOSE, I find that generally BOSE systems are quite balanced, and go bloody loud without distorting, at low volumes it can seem that the lows and highs are a bit weak but that has more to do with how your ears work than the speakers
Wait, is that Mazda Miata in 3:55 the guy marking the "closed course"???
LOL, you guys are so lucky to drive so aggressive without much worry (that is, if you had to worry about traffic and such)
The 4.2 V8 engine of the RS4 with the design of the B8 S4 and you win 🔥👌🏻
I'd take the RS4... only thing that I really have a problem with is with any Audi with the older Quattro AWD system, you need to pull the front end apart to do things like the timing belt/chain water pump... which are very vital, but fairly labor-intensive... especially if you're new to the European market game.
Needing oil after 1500 miles? Something wrong there, i go from service to service without my B6 S4 needing any
Great episode, guys. Love that Craig was on camera. Keep forcing him there... he did awesome!
The RS4 is so much hotter. Wide flares, aggressive front end and it sounds amazing. The new A4 body style doesn't appeal to me that much, it looks too generic and I have to agree with you on the rear end, it looks like it's sagging. Although I really like the exhaust tips on the S4(quads vs 2 ovals).
p.s.: Thank you Matt for keeping this show going. I've been really enjoying it ever since you restarted it on your own. Oh and it gives me something to watch until a new Top Gear season starts :P
@aqwayne the new RS4 is coming in 2011.
@Mitch1856 both of these cars have all wheel drive. You'd have to be massively abusive to either of them to get tire smoke.
A quick tune in that S4 and it will blow the RS4 off the road. But damn that RS4 is stunning
@quincy965 If you can only have one car, a sport wagon is an awesome choice. Fly below the radar, hold tons of stuff, very few compromises
I have a '07 S-Line A4 Quattro 3.2, Yes it does burn oil maybe half a quart- 3/4 between 10k oil changes.
yeah i wish they would bring back the audi wagons.. i miss the bi-turbo v6 sleeper of the advent in america
Loved the episode ! 6:58 awesome camera shot ! Keep it up
I remember watching this 10 years ago 😂😂🤣
audi's burn oil for the first 2000 miles or so, you need to break in the car hard after 1000 miles to prevent any other oil burn. my vw burnt half a quart in the first 1000 miles, then ran the engine very hard. I haven't burned a drop ever since
Saw the car on L4P, love it Craig. Great video.
Man, your videos are awesome!
Another great episode Matt!
Craig was a surprise, well spoken and insightful. Is he going to be a permanent addition to the show?
I would like to understand why the s4 (310 hp) is faster then the RS 4 (420hp)
So 2 of the 5 things you hate about the B8 S4 is about how the car sounds? That's not bad at all considering you can always go aftermarket for an exhaust and intake that will bring out the supercharger whine. It won't sound like a V8, but it'll still sound great.
@TVRFan11 I had one for 5 months and couldn't stand it, so I traded it in for my Mini, which I have since sold.
that's where the difference come in the s4 isn't the replacement for the b7 rs4. the 2010 rs5 is the replacement. the s4 replaces the b7 s4 and the reason they went for the v6 is because of co2 emissions. the rs5 as all or some of you know use exactly the same engine as the b7 rs4 only difference is that the block is of a lighter material and they installed a other fuel management system which means better fuel consumption with more power and less co2 emissions.
the looks of that car sells itself
I dislike the mirrors on the newer Audi models. I with they would've kept with the old tradition of the brush aluminum and the smaller sleeker size. The new (sideview) mirrors create an unnecessary blind spot.
@TheSmokingTire i am under the understanding that the RS is 1) chipped, 2) improved intake and 3) improved outtake. That collectively makes up to 40bhp. That sound about right?
I have a 2006 S4 Avant w/ 6sp. I can't imagine a more fun car for a dad w/ 2 kids. Very subtle, very fast.
Love the 2008 rs4. That 4.2 v8 sounds godly
When i see car shows like this, i love Top Gear even more.
Best video about Audi's ever
Dreadful review. no mention of the how well the transmissions work or how the respective engines deliver their torque or bhp.
Watching this 10 years later and said holy shit that’s Craig 😂
@tinleo333 SUV's/Crossovers are just wagons with big tires and shitty driving dynamics.
@marzbite I'm 28, and Craig is under 40.
i like Craig. knows his stuff cold. and he has a hot car.
Keep putting out top notch car content guys. Thanks. BTW, the 2007 RS4's exhaust note dominates the 2010 S4. I'm not opposed to the v6, or a nice quiet pur at idle, but its missing that roar!
that S4 is gorgeous.
One question, and one question only. Why does the RS4 have its fog lights on? It's not cool. It just blinds oncoming traffic.
Monsieur Farrah should go on TopGear UK to show he is awesome, and that he got hosed over for TopGear US! Clarkson and the other blokes would love it. This show needs to happen! Who agrees?!?!?
@rwian RS4 is a more extreme version, its an equivalent to BMW M3 or Merc C63AMG. S4 is just a little sportier than normal A4.
Same guy bitches about the GPS in both cars. haha. Jeez, dude.
@AdemJashari56 Yeah, Matt's right. Turbo Audi's are known for burning the hell out of their oil. Also, B5 S4's are known to have quickly failing turbos if you run it hard; most swap out the stock turbos for K04 turbos.
Personally, I think Audi's are the nicest German cars out there.
im not gonna lie i LOVE the rs4, im def eyeing it as my next car, only thing that turns me off is the price EVEN when used i needa spend more then 40k, but i def perfer the rs4 v8 over a twin turbo v6
@TVRFan11 H1's are extremely cheap. I bought mine, a pretty nice 2001 Black Wagon with 55k miles, for $42k in 2006.
Tune the S4, and it will take an RS4 through the mountains. I know from first hand personal experience with both cars.
The next s4 will have a turbo 4. So i wonder what the rs4 will do. This last 1 might be the end for v8s
I wish Matt still made videos like this
Ps mine is dark grey and has zero badges so from the outside looks like the 2.0 diesel, wonderful Q car!!!
Great reviews, I like their perspectives, these are real car guys
@trwsandford I'd like to keep getting him on camera in the future, yes.
no not really, the s4 takes a much larger power gain as opposed to the rs4 with a simple ecu tune because of the forced induction in the s4. pretty much the same with any car getting a stage 1 flash when you compare turbo cars v. NA cars.
Rs4 has such a better look also, and sound. Its a real car. the s4 is ugly looking i dont like audi's current headlights. They look robotic or kid like.
Has the RS4 had some front end work? The RS4 badge seems too high on the grill.
2:50
Such a nice guy. Wonder why he's divorced.
@Caseybat94 there is the Rs4 in canada. but they stopped making the all together a few years back. They will be coming back with new versions soon
If I had this job, id flip off the cliff trying to impress people.
@TheSmokingTire well practicality aside , it definitely woulda been cool to see what you couldve done to it
@matt965vtec there is NO Audi S4 Avant in the states or Canada...you can find hem only in Europe.What you`ve seen in Monrel was Audi A4 Avant S-line
I would've liked to see you both race each other.
Great review guys, I would love to have an RS4 Avant
A mate of mine has just got an RS4 and they do guzzle petrol. He cycles to work now. But it's great fun. He got some cool video of him doing dun nuts in the a supermarket (Tesco for those in the UK) car park.
RS4 # 1 Audi
so one of their likes was smaller engine is better cause better gas mileage and lighter, but they hate the s4 because it has a v6 and not a v8 sound. is there any pleasing these people.
RS4 (B7) is in my Top10 cars of all times.
rs4 sounds crazy
@TheSmokingTire in europe wagons are very common and sporty in fact americans love suv and an suv i a taller wagon so.
the Dislikes about the S4: no major concern there.
1. the sound is not exactly like a V8, I can live with that.
2. nagging navigation: you can always turn it off.
3. burns oil, so what?
4. exhaust sound is not that aggressive: this is exactly what they designed the car for
5. the new wagons after 2012 are really cool, while the older ones are not.
I aways cringe when I see people putting those fake EU license plates on their cars, thinking it makes them somehow cooler.
+9uard we do?
@cosmosm B8 S4 is not N/A; it's got a great eaton TVS supercharger with water:air intercooler.
Still, B5 S4 FTMFW. Love my Stage 3.
FI is the right way for audi!
B5 S4 kicks ass. If only there was a 3.0 with twin turbos lol
@TheSmokingTire true, but two very different cars. comparable on many other levels