The second channelle was gone I dropped the whole show rip I really hope the others that everyone wanted will debut in their own group they would be a powerhouse group
how r u gonna eliminate such talented people like chanelle, jiwoo, jihyun, and jeemin AND THEN proceed to make the group sound like a shortened version of “illeterate” like come on the least u could do was give them a good name 😭 i feel bad for these girls
I have not been keeping up with the show and I only learnt that the line up has been announced through this video. It saddens me soo much that Jiwoo did not debut. I loved her performances soo much...
Lmao I'm sorry to say that u sound extremely untitled in the way u said tha just cause they said it's a global group doesn't mean y'all suddenly control everything that happens to it lol
@@weirax4941 I never meant it that way, all im tryna say is that if they (managing team of I'll-IT) want to appeal to global viewers, as the group is meant to be a global group, then shouldnt they also listen to or try pay attention to what international viewers want to see. Im not saying "focus on us only" im saying its unfair, how they made us vote for a month and then only counted korean voters (who we all know tend to be two-faced). Stop assuming. + International viewers are really important in building a groups success so they already messed up big time (e.g losing perfect trainees and debuting not so perfect ones BECAUSE they only counted on korean voters)
@@anfaalm5648 I'm sorry to tell ya that before they get popular with international fans they need the Korean support cause they are a K pop group is just how it is if they did that cause they know that if the group isn't popular in Korea it won't go anywhere just like kard is popular internationally, in Korea they aren't and that makes it difficult for them to keep making comebacks, they literally just got a win after years of releasing music so hybe was kinda smart tbh cause by focusing on Korea first then they could branch out way easier to global Them stopping the votes at the end was a way to show that they will focus on Korea mostly first and in the end it's their decision cause most of the show was just to promote their trainees anyways.
@@weirax4941 Did you only read the bottom half of my message. Maybe u are right w the korea first thing BUT my main issue is the fact they made us interantional voters vote, making us think we could help some trainees debut, but they totally disregarded us in the debut process. If they wanted to do that whyd they even make us vote in the first place.
the second chanelle was eliminated i stopped watching.. within 24 hrs of her being eliminated the official r u next tiktok account lost over 100k followers 😭
The show has a 6% recommendation rate on google💀 And the timing of Hybe announcing Dream Academy is super sus. They saw the backlash and are now trying to distract from it.
Im very sorry, they are all talented but I really wished people like Jiwoo, Chanelle debuted. I really dont understand why they always have to debue minors instead of well trained adults( no hate towards Wonhee or Iroha) . I also don’t really like the groups name. I still wish them the best and hope that the eliminated members find another place to debue.
Main issues : - Not allowing I-fans to vote (we literally learnt it during the episode) (they knew who were Koreans' favorite contestants (visuals), so by choosing not to include I-fans votes, they decided who would debut) - 4 members chosen by judges. Wtf is that? - Screentime of some contestants robbed and given to other trainees - Contestants ignored by cameras AND judges (Jiwoo) - Unbelievable decisions of judges (Chanelle getting the lowest score from them while being one of the most noticeable in the performances the day she got eliminated) - Favoritism towards some contestants (they were always praising the same trainees just bc they improved and ignoring those who were always doing a good work)
for real , even moka(no hate to ber) she was barely seen bu judges and then wow she is getting recognized , i think they chose her bcs they needed japanese member
The last point, yeeeessss. It's like the show main theme is 'trainees who's improve is better than trainees who not much improve but already in really good stage'. The fact that Lee Hyun only see Jiwoo incredible vocal just AFTER woozi commenting on hers is so weird, and the fact that other judges commenting on some trainees stiffness in SP, but seeing their favorite doing bare minimum, but still praising her is what makes me stop watching it.
Like tbh i didn't like the judges from the start. Like if the members are chosen by the judges then the judges should be really professional. I would take jyp as an eg., what he's doing in y2k. Like few were actually good at judging but the other didn't really did what happened should've happened.
I’m really angry about the show, especially for Jeemin and Jiwoo. Jeemin was the number 1 ranking trainee going into the competition and Jiwoo was the longest Belift trainee. They’ve been very patiently waiting to debut, are extremely talented, as well as being fan favorites. Yet these supposed judges got to make the final call and choose 2 very young girls who have only trained for literal months. It’s also absolutely crazy to me how all these weeks of voting were all for nothing, and in the finals international fans weren’t even able to vote. No wonder Wonhee ended on chosen, even though she was ranking 9th
I wasn't expecting anything different from hybe, it was obvious it would be rigged. How the hell did wonhee won? You don't go from 9th to 1st place like that. Hybe got rid of the most talented ones and made its favs get into the line up. I'm not surprised tbh I knew it would be manipulated, it's not the first time.
To be fair Wonhee got chosen purely by fans’ votes and she was extremely popular with k-netizens. And would it be just her luck that international fans couldn’t even participate in the final voting🙄 While i do believe they manipulated it in a way that Wonhee had the biggest chance of winning, i’m not that surprised she won cuz netizens love to debut a cute child regardless of talent
@@xoluciaxo_3721 ikr, jiwoo and chanelle were so talented but they don't have enough visuals for knetizens. Also the trainees with 20yo were sooo old to debut right? They were talented but too old 🙄 I'm seriously tired of this hypocrisy, above 19 is too old to debut and if there's no visuals there's no talent nowadays. At this point companies are debuting influencers, not idols.
There’s really no point in watching survival shows/voting, and I mean that literally. They almost always have a set lineup picked out, and it’s usually not the ones people think deserve to be there, PURELY because they WANT the backlash and they WANT the buzz. That’s the whole reason they do that, it’s honestly just to get people talking about the group ahead of time. Sure the internet will rip the girls a new one for not being “good enough” once they debut but at that point it’s the company’s subdivision’s problem to deal with and the main branch won’t care. It’s stupid tbh but they’re making money, that’s why I don’t watch any of these.
Idk why people keep watching. I’ve stopped watching any survival shows. Well, except A2k since the contestants are all Americans, I figured there wouldn’t be strong favoritism problems.
How the hell Wonhee got 1st place suddenly when she was on 9th place in final.. Aside aiki all the judges were rigged as well😢Especially that Lee Hyun was taking my nerves
@@callmehiwatt1696do you know what propagandized means lol? also kpop acts can’t sustain themselves on Korean sales alone unless they’re as popular as IU. Korean streaming sites pay $3 per 100k to the West’s $300 per 100K, and most groups won’t sell more than 1M in digital sales. sorry but if they want to be a big international act they should’ve debuted Jiwoo and Chanelle. Koreans pick idols based off of looks but people in the West typically aren’t going to listen to artists who aren’t good singers or rappers. you’re trying to justify it but there’s really no justifiable reason. The 2 pick was a transparent attempt to get around the “rigging” allegations lol Also Koreans have a habit of voting for pretty people who aren’t really good singers then cancelling them when they debut and still aren’t really good singers. “Training” won’t make up for a lack of pre-existing natural talent.
It's probably why they released ranks 9 and 10 and none of the others right before the broadcast- to get wonhee panic voted in since it was a korean only vote
The moment they eliminated the much talented and deserving girls, I don't think the group will ever make it THAT big. International fans are already very upset with the outcome, add the fact that their votes were almost not put into consideration for the result. I won't blame the fans if many will boycott the group.
I'm so happy for the girls who got to debut, but to be honest I was really sad that jiwoo didn't make it... I really tought she'd be in the final line up. To all the girls who got eliminated sooner I hope they don't give up on their dreams. Congrats to all of them!! You did a great job!!
im pretty sure they released vogue pictures of the members after the lineup was released, except it was just released live so how did they know the lineup? it was rigged. that means they knew who was going to be eliminated from the start and who was going to debut.
Eliminated trainees also took the photo .. it's just that theirs weren't released cause they didn't make it. But yeah the show is rigged ..big time. It's Hybe's loss
I'm really proud and happy for the ones who got to the final lineup but even though they are really talented some trainees deserved to debut like Jiwoo or Chanelle, I hope they debut solo or in another group they are all really talented and I wish them all the best
It’s supposed to be a global girl group but the votes from international fans barely even matter+the 2 most popular trainees internationally got eliminated?
It’s rigged and I can’t wait for someone to reveal that it was indeed rigged cause the line up doesn’t make sense especially Wonhee getting 1st place Jiwoo,Chanelle and Jeemin not debuting like they didn’t even try to hide the favouritism and the rigging in the show 💀
Wonhee got 1st place coz 70% of the votes are koreans only and only 30% of the votes are international fans. Its so unfair tbh and she got 1st place since she's VERY VERY popular in korea
@@ahmadsadiq2311 the international votes weren’t even included they obviously did it on purpose cause Jiwoo and Jeemin are both one of the most popular trainees
@@ahmadsadiq2311 I admit she's popular but in my opinion Minju and Youngseo are more popular than her. Or have you forgotten the episode when Minju got 1st in Korean votes??!!
@@Oyinkan_25 yeah EXACTLY. Some fans thought that hybe wasn't even wanted to debut wonhee in the first place. They thought that for the top 2 votes, youngseo and minju would took the spot but suddenly wonhee got it so they had to choose one member that they want to debut to be excluded from the lineup. And that's why they need to choose between yunah and jeemin. But because they need someone who's older and maybe potential leader, they chose yunah over jeemin
@@callmehiwatt1696it’s not guaranteed but they have a higher chance of debuting than the older girls. The older contestants (19+) have such a little chance left it’s sad. The industry loves to debut younger people and will often cut people out because of their age. Let’s not be blind to this. And yes wonhee and the younger girls are very talented but when compared against girls who were debut material the difference is stark.
@@callmehiwatt1696 most high ranking trainees on survival shows are given more chances to debut, /especially/ the younger ones. I’m not denying she’s talented because she definitely is, but there were other contestants who are arguably much more prepared and will most likely NOT get another chance to debut because they’re in their late teens
One thing that gave me an ick about wonhee is that she didn't have any reaction other than smiling when she was announced. All the others were emotional while she wasn't. It was like she expected it.
Hybe r a KPOP company so obviously they want to earn money. To do that they need popular members to debut. But these geniuses decided that they will keep their faves and get rid of talented ones. The second chanelle was gone i knew I should’ve lost hope. For some reason I was sure jiwoo would debut but knowing Hybe I think it’s better for her not to debut in a group called I’ll it. They r so biased and they aren’t even trying to hide it. I’m not trying to hate on the members but they literally put wonhee in first place when she trained for only two months and she herself said she wasn’t ready. For all the trainees that didn’t debut, I don’t think they missed out on anything they will hopefully debut in a better group.
They choose to ignore the international fandom completely, which is the dumbest decision HYBE ever made, considering their objective is literally to debut groups that would appeal globally. I also can’t understand why they insisted on debuting girls like Wonhee, Iroha, Moka who weren’t ready to debut yet, when you got powerhouses like Jeemin, Jiwoo, Yeongseo and Yunah RIGHT THERE😭 They fit together perfectly, instead they chose to pair them with 3 kids.. I’m very curious how they’re gonna turn out, tho i don’t imagine they’ll do very well abroad anymore..
I'm proud of Yunah, Youngseo, Minju and that's it. Jiwoo, Jeemin and Chanelle should have gotten into the group. Also Wonhee shouldn't be first, maybe 5th of 6th but it dose not make sense that shes 1st.
I voted for Wonhee becuase I believe in her talents not just visuals but on the other hand I didn't expect too much that she can get a first place,( I was expecting her to be in top 5 or 6) becuase us we know she's quite popular into knetz.
I'm pretty satisfied with the group tho I do wished for jiwoo to get in but all of the members are insanely talented and I'm sure they are gonna be a great group together, fans are always agitated by the final results of a survival show but we gotta consider that the entertainment also chooses the members of factors that were not mention (for example the colour of the groups voice, matching attitude foe the groups image ect.) and pretty privilege will always be a thing we shouldn't be surprised by that now but be happy for those who made it and be excited to watch them grow together :)
they did jiwoo so dirty like she should have been on debut team when moka name was announced i was shocked because only one spot was left and jiwoo yunah and jeemin were left
They never cared about international fans, they probably didnt really care about the votes either. Ngl i feel like they were just desperate to debut Wonhee. Not debuting Jeemin Jiwoo and Jeongeun is such a crime, and eliminating Chanelle and Jihyun was just as bad. I had a little hope for the lineup but now that it’s announced i dont even know what their doing like what even is the group name?? There were more trainees who deserved to debut than some in the lineup.
I knew Wonhee was potentially debuting because of the amount of screen time she received and her story arc. What I’m most surprised about was that she ranked #1. Something that she hasn’t done throughout the competition. She ranked above Youngseo and even Minju who were at the top in the voting rankings.
I get how Wonhee is popular in Korea and can get voted to debut but there was NO WAY she ended up first, this show is absolutely rigged. There is also no way Chanelle got eliminated and Ruka should’ve stayed at least like to the final episode.
yes, also because of the final votes went only for the korean public and the last 4 members to the coaches, it was so unfair, actually this whole show was so unfair in so many reasons
It’s the way this came on my feed right after ILAND 2 announced their final lineup and boy oh boy did Jeemin luck out on making it in another group that has a way more solid lineup 😂 Now let’s see if Jiwoo, Chanelle, and Jihyun can do the same thing Jeemin did ❤
I have been watching survival shows for years now and the moment I saw the 1st episode I sensed that this will go wrong especially when they did dirty by in ranking the high , mid and low I was literally disgusted and never watched ever since the 1st episode and now that I saw the line up I was actually right.
The lineup was very disappointing and the big thing I don’t understand is why they would market the group as a global group and then completely ignore the wishes of the international fans. Even apart from that it’s clear this lineup wasn’t based off talent (not saying the final lineup is full of a bunch of dozens cause that’s not the case) which is literally what most of us were preaching for. 🤦🏽♀️ They won’t be “it” but they will definitely be something…
Don't worry guys because Jeemin is actually debuting! As I can't guarantee all the rest of the R U NEXT contestants will debut for sure let's keep rooting for all the girls and support ILLIT as much as we can! Trust me, I had favorites too but let's not take away all the efforts every single contestant had to go through.
Pretty sure HYBE is trying to create a visual group like BP with a fresher take like NJ. They will find visuals that compliments each other bc at the end of the day- knetz only appreciates looks, not talents.
@@CrazyTreYerthey are but idk why they are mentioning them as if they are only popular for their vocals EDIT:: I MEANT BLACKPINK IS A GROUP WITH ALL VISUALS 😭 I DIDNT MEAN THEY ARE TALENTLESS
This is a long comment so have fun lol: I was watching the livestream and the second Jiwoo wasn’t selected for the final lineup I just shut it off and couldn’t even bring myself to want to support Ill-It. Jiwoo had been my #1 pick from day one, and she has the most vocal skills, a great dancer, a wonderful leader. All those girls looked up to her and international fans loved her. I do not get why she wasn’t picked. I don’t mind the final lineup, minus Wonhee (if it was wonhee switched with Jiwoo I would’ve been fine). But idk what concept they are going with bc Yunah, Youngseo and Minju’s vibes are different from the others. I think Hybe shot themselves in the foot with a solid fanbase do to the fact that they gave themselves the power to choose the last 4 members, and made it near impossible for global fans to cote for the 70% final part 2. If they just had the normal voting for everyone to participate and let at least 4/6 (if not 6/6) members be picked by votes, I am sure most people wouldn’t be so angry, believing it was the voters who made the decisions. But seeing as Hybe picked the majority of the members, with some decisions that most fans disagree, they brought the anger and loss of fans unto themselves. It was a dumb decision. I would have like it like Iland, where 5/6 members are chosen on voted and the last one is a judges pick. Now, just bc I’m a bit disappointed does not mean I will hate on the group. I am looking forward to Jiwoo’s debut soon, hopefully, but I will listen to the debut of Ill-It and see if I like the music. Please don’t hate on the group everyone. If you don’t like, either simply ignore them or comment in a respectful manner why. Don’t hate.
this is the reason why i dont watch this kind of stuff. I mean they are all rigged, arent they? i kinda feel like it may be no point in watching these, since the final lineup may be already decided before. If im not mistaken it was like that with fromis9? Im not sure tho
Ikr but i feel like with this survival show there's stronger reactions. Like usually theres some who are happy with the lineup but i found none bc everyone said the show was gone after chanelle? And jiwoo were eliminated and wonhee got to debut Idk I never watched the show bc I knew I was gonna be disappointed. I hope the Dream Academy is better
@@_deesh_honestly they dont even need to act as if they care about International fans with their new "global" show.They literally ignored all of our votes i wouldn't support hybe
For some reason i expected this one to be different and i thought i could easily filter out the ‘filler’ trainees vs the ones who would actually debut😂 Turned out i underestimated Korea’s love for debuting underaged mediocre girls instead of choosing actual talent, and got disappointed once again🤡
@guinnmyahslaysstaymad1055 honestly how do some of these girls get on the show? Dont you have to audition with submissions and advance to the "next round" or something? And the people on the show are the best of the best of those who auditioned? There must have been so many girls who genuinely had talent and should have been in the show but they got rejected for mediocre people. This isnt even r u next its every survival show
They call it a global group but exclude all international votes, not to mention the judges picking the contestants and we all know who they wanted to pick 😃 Like they didnt even try to hide the fact that they had bias towards specific contestants and wanted specific contestants out
@@geegee6752 be so fr. The ones that get the most lines strain, wakeone doesn’t give the rappers shit and wakeone also threw Kep1er in the trash after ZB1 was formed. Until Taerae gets the most lines since he’s the best vocalist in the group I will not be supporting them. Hui, Hwanhee, and Jay were way better than a majority of the lineup technique wise. Zhang Hao while having a lovely lower register doesn’t have what it takes to compete with Jongho, Woong, Seunghun, Seoho, Sangyeon, etc. and Taerae while being the best vocalist in ZB1 is pitchy. At the end of the day, being able to sing is different than being a good singer and when the voters threw away Hui and Hwanhee they untimely ruined the groups future.
This was so obviously rigged it's funny. We all knew something was up when they eliminated Ruka. Eliminating Chanelle just confirmed everything. This group is going to flop so hard.
It's not about having favorites that's not really why they're mad .girls who were eliminated were way more talented then the final lineup that's why its rigged
I'm disappointed too of the final lineup but i gonna stan them no matter what, this girls receive so much hate by toxic fans, they need someone who loves them so all of you at least support them and don't spread hate because this girls deserve all the love in the world.
it’s known that a lot of Korean companies don’t care about international fans, but even the K audience only got to choose 2/6 members in the end… the judges personally chose 4/6 members. Otherwise Jeemin & Jeongeun who were chosen by the Korean audience would’ve made it… I’m a Yunah & Moka stan, but votes are votes
I am so disappointed,i am a fan of Ruka but when she is eliminated i dont blame anyone i just thought she need more improve but lets be honest here Jiwoo way more talented than most the debut member and we international fan supported her so much I am really disappointed by how Hybe label run the show
I know we are mad that our picks didn't make it or the show is rigged but y'all are too much for commenting "Death threats" to Wonhee in their first live. Please think before you comment/speak she's a minor.
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The second channelle was gone I dropped the whole show rip I really hope the others that everyone wanted will debut in their own group they would be a powerhouse group
same and honestly the fact Jiwoo didnt debut too and Wohee was first...
@@tskkhAiRvAnDwait she got first I stopped watching cause I knew hybe set her up to win even tho she was destined to be hated if she did sadly
The best lineup ☆Jiwoo☆ ☆Jeongeun☆ ☆Yunah☆ ☆Chanelle☆ ☆Minju☆ ☆Jeemin☆ ☆Youngseo☆
fr channelle was so talented the show is pretty rigged bc some people voted for only visuals not talent
@@lucidalvamaria2554Haruka deserved too.
how r u gonna eliminate such talented people like chanelle, jiwoo, jihyun, and jeemin AND THEN proceed to make the group sound like a shortened version of “illeterate” like come on the least u could do was give them a good name 😭 i feel bad for these girls
Finally someone remembered Jihyun, she wasn't appreciated enough.
@@roseateseaFR- jihyun was one of my favs 😭
@@stantxtstraykidsandseventeen Same. Jihyun, Jiwoo and Yunah were my favorites. At least Yunah debuted.
Illiterate
@@roseateseabut she deserves a better group tho😭
HYBE: Markets the group as a global group
Also HYBE: Only caters to Korean votes.
*belift
hybe has NEVER ignored i-fans, theyre the moat powerful
@@rosefulmadnesshybe owns all shares of belift hun
well said
They didn't advertise the group as 'international'
They clearly didn’t care about international fans.
Which is weird considering how important international fans are for a group’s success.
they marketed it as a global group too lmao
flop
@@hannahwang9246
Such incompetence is ridiculous.
Thats what i thought. They disregard international fans but then gonna marketing it global? Stupid frr
Kard is loved globally but at home base...not really. Many consider them a nugu group
International fans always get pushed aside, that’s why I don’t watch voting shows anymore
Jiwoo is so talented, she should have debuted... I will for sure be waiting for her to officially debut and we stan her...
Yess
I have not been keeping up with the show and I only learnt that the line up has been announced through this video. It saddens me soo much that Jiwoo did not debut. I loved her performances soo much...
@@Maybe_i_fancyyoume too, nope I'm screaming internally like.. HOW COME JIWOO DIDNT MAKE IT HOWWW
I wonder if she’s going to leave hybe or go to another company I highly doubt it but you never know
they need soyeon on this show
REAL
She would call out the voters again and again
If she was there the talents will be only debuted. The lineup would not be like this.
Fr.
FR
How could they call themselves a "global group" and then totally IGNORE INTERANTIONAL FANS?!
Lmao I'm sorry to say that u sound extremely untitled in the way u said tha just cause they said it's a global group doesn't mean y'all suddenly control everything that happens to it lol
@@weirax4941 I never meant it that way, all im tryna say is that if they (managing team of I'll-IT) want to appeal to global viewers, as the group is meant to be a global group, then shouldnt they also listen to or try pay attention to what international viewers want to see. Im not saying "focus on us only" im saying its unfair, how they made us vote for a month and then only counted korean voters (who we all know tend to be two-faced). Stop assuming.
+ International viewers are really important in building a groups success so they already messed up big time (e.g losing perfect trainees and debuting not so perfect ones BECAUSE they only counted on korean voters)
@@anfaalm5648 I'm sorry to tell ya that before they get popular with international fans they need the Korean support cause they are a K pop group is just how it is if they did that cause they know that if the group isn't popular in Korea it won't go anywhere just like kard is popular internationally, in Korea they aren't and that makes it difficult for them to keep making comebacks, they literally just got a win after years of releasing music so hybe was kinda smart tbh cause by focusing on Korea first then they could branch out way easier to global Them stopping the votes at the end was a way to show that they will focus on Korea mostly first and in the end it's their decision cause most of the show was just to promote their trainees anyways.
@@weirax4941 Did you only read the bottom half of my message. Maybe u are right w the korea first thing BUT my main issue is the fact they made us interantional voters vote, making us think we could help some trainees debut, but they totally disregarded us in the debut process. If they wanted to do that whyd they even make us vote in the first place.
ikr..
the second chanelle was eliminated i stopped watching.. within 24 hrs of her being eliminated the official r u next tiktok account lost over 100k followers 😭
@itzmeae-dle FR. I didn't watched this show after Chanelle was eliminated. But atleast Youngseo and Yunah debuted
@itzmeae-dleME TOO MAMA😭😭😭
@itzmeae-dleI even cried bc she didn't debuted. Her talent was wasted
The show has a 6% recommendation rate on google💀 And the timing of Hybe announcing Dream Academy is super sus. They saw the backlash and are now trying to distract from it.
SAMEEE WHEN I SAW THE ‘CHANELLE’s MEMORIES’ in shorts MY HEART SANK TO THE BOTTOM
Im very sorry, they are all talented but I really wished people like Jiwoo, Chanelle debuted. I really dont understand why they always have to debue minors instead of well trained adults( no hate towards Wonhee or Iroha) . I also don’t really like the groups name. I still wish them the best and hope that the eliminated members find another place to debue.
JIWOO DIDNT DEBUT? im not rlly keeping up with the show but i heard about it on tiktok and i heard Jiwoo was the best vocalist
@@lolprweisonshe is 😢
Main issues :
- Not allowing I-fans to vote (we literally learnt it during the episode) (they knew who were Koreans' favorite contestants (visuals), so by choosing not to include I-fans votes, they decided who would debut)
- 4 members chosen by judges. Wtf is that?
- Screentime of some contestants robbed and given to other trainees
- Contestants ignored by cameras AND judges (Jiwoo)
- Unbelievable decisions of judges (Chanelle getting the lowest score from them while being one of the most noticeable in the performances the day she got eliminated)
- Favoritism towards some contestants (they were always praising the same trainees just bc they improved and ignoring those who were always doing a good work)
Fr
for real , even moka(no hate to ber) she was barely seen bu judges and then wow she is getting recognized , i think they chose her bcs they needed japanese member
The last point, yeeeessss.
It's like the show main theme is 'trainees who's improve is better than trainees who not much improve but already in really good stage'. The fact that Lee Hyun only see Jiwoo incredible vocal just AFTER woozi commenting on hers is so weird, and the fact that other judges commenting on some trainees stiffness in SP, but seeing their favorite doing bare minimum, but still praising her is what makes me stop watching it.
Your number 1 main issue made me not to stan them. They made us non existent in the finale. I'll still support and protect my minju💖
Like tbh i didn't like the judges from the start. Like if the members are chosen by the judges then the judges should be really professional. I would take jyp as an eg., what he's doing in y2k. Like few were actually good at judging but the other didn't really did what happened should've happened.
When they eliminated Ruka I knew something was up
Funny how Knetz are very loud about rookie idols not being talented enough but they vote for trainees like wonhee🚶♀️
It’s international fans who always call rookie idols untalented bffr
@@dulseteunjino both knetz and international do that
@@dulseteunji both do that bffr knetz always criticize idols for their vocals in encores
I’m really angry about the show, especially for Jeemin and Jiwoo. Jeemin was the number 1 ranking trainee going into the competition and Jiwoo was the longest Belift trainee. They’ve been very patiently waiting to debut, are extremely talented, as well as being fan favorites. Yet these supposed judges got to make the final call and choose 2 very young girls who have only trained for literal months.
It’s also absolutely crazy to me how all these weeks of voting were all for nothing, and in the finals international fans weren’t even able to vote. No wonder Wonhee ended on chosen, even though she was ranking 9th
(jiwoo is my bias)
but i thought yunah wasvthe longest trainee and jiwoo is the eldest?
@@lsy22jiwoo trained the longest as well, it was mentioned in ep 7 or 8 I think
THIS
Wait, Jiwoo is the longest trainee? Hybe doesn't deserve her
My dream team was youngseo, chanelle, jiwoo, yunah, jeemin, and minju they would be such a strong team tog ❤️😭
Same omg but I like Moka too
aaa same ... we have the exact same line up😢
Look like 3rd gen girlgroup LOL
+ JEONGEUN she is so talented and underrated.
people missunderstood "not ready to debut" with "hate"...
Yeah we aren't hating on wonhee, we are just mad the judges and hybe
Hybe should have just made 2 international fans choice, 2 korean fans choice and 2 producers choice
That's fair
@@avi3354i guess they didn’t because the 2 producers choice members would be hated
That will be 1. Wonhee
2. Youngseo (korean netizens votes)
3. Jiwoo
4. Jeemin (International fans vote)
5. Minju
6. Moka (by judges)
not moka but jeongeun cause she was the 6th in the final vote
@@shenshoutings No I'm talking about choice by judges.
I wasn't expecting anything different from hybe, it was obvious it would be rigged. How the hell did wonhee won? You don't go from 9th to 1st place like that. Hybe got rid of the most talented ones and made its favs get into the line up. I'm not surprised tbh I knew it would be manipulated, it's not the first time.
To be fair Wonhee got chosen purely by fans’ votes and she was extremely popular with k-netizens. And would it be just her luck that international fans couldn’t even participate in the final voting🙄 While i do believe they manipulated it in a way that Wonhee had the biggest chance of winning, i’m not that surprised she won cuz netizens love to debut a cute child regardless of talent
@@xoluciaxo_3721 ikr, jiwoo and chanelle were so talented but they don't have enough visuals for knetizens. Also the trainees with 20yo were sooo old to debut right? They were talented but too old 🙄 I'm seriously tired of this hypocrisy, above 19 is too old to debut and if there's no visuals there's no talent nowadays. At this point companies are debuting influencers, not idols.
@@xoluciaxo_3721It's not luck. When Hybe decided not to allow I-fans' votes, they knew who knetizens would choose. Indirectly, they choose them all.
@@catshinee2524Wait... Are you saying that debuting at 20 is too late and that debuting kids is better?.
@@VickM639
That’s what Koreans say.
There’s really no point in watching survival shows/voting, and I mean that literally. They almost always have a set lineup picked out, and it’s usually not the ones people think deserve to be there, PURELY because they WANT the backlash and they WANT the buzz. That’s the whole reason they do that, it’s honestly just to get people talking about the group ahead of time. Sure the internet will rip the girls a new one for not being “good enough” once they debut but at that point it’s the company’s subdivision’s problem to deal with and the main branch won’t care. It’s stupid tbh but they’re making money, that’s why I don’t watch any of these.
Idk why people keep watching. I’ve stopped watching any survival shows. Well, except A2k since the contestants are all Americans, I figured there wouldn’t be strong favoritism problems.
Yea i stopped watching any n just keep up from time to time. Usually i would just enjoy the group after debut so that i won't have any hard feelings
jiwoo should try SM next😂she got the visual and the vocal that SM looking for😆
Fr I was literally thinking thay yesterday
She'll have to wait a while to debut because sm already has their new girl group planned already
How the hell Wonhee got 1st place suddenly when she was on 9th place in final..
Aside aiki all the judges were rigged as well😢Especially that Lee Hyun was taking my nerves
FR, even if she was 1st in the judges place (unfair) she would be 5th
@@callmehiwatt1696 bcz Korean ppl just want visual...they are 💀
And I said "even if was", not "she was"
@@callmehiwatt1696actually Youngseo is in the big 6 just Wonhee isn’t
@@callmehiwatt1696do you know what propagandized means lol? also kpop acts can’t sustain themselves on Korean sales alone unless they’re as popular as IU. Korean streaming sites pay $3 per 100k to the West’s $300 per 100K, and most groups won’t sell more than 1M in digital sales. sorry but if they want to be a big international act they should’ve debuted Jiwoo and Chanelle.
Koreans pick idols based off of looks but people in the West typically aren’t going to listen to artists who aren’t good singers or rappers. you’re trying to justify it but there’s really no justifiable reason. The 2 pick was a transparent attempt to get around the “rigging” allegations lol
Also Koreans have a habit of voting for pretty people who aren’t really good singers then cancelling them when they debut and still aren’t really good singers. “Training” won’t make up for a lack of pre-existing natural talent.
It's probably why they released ranks 9 and 10 and none of the others right before the broadcast- to get wonhee panic voted in since it was a korean only vote
Channelle deserved soooo much better 😔
The moment they eliminated the much talented and deserving girls, I don't think the group will ever make it THAT big. International fans are already very upset with the outcome, add the fact that their votes were almost not put into consideration for the result. I won't blame the fans if many will boycott the group.
I'm so happy for the girls who got to debut, but to be honest I was really sad that jiwoo didn't make it... I really tought she'd be in the final line up. To all the girls who got eliminated sooner I hope they don't give up on their dreams. Congrats to all of them!! You did a great job!!
I dropped the show when Channelle was gone and jiwoo deserved to debut
im pretty sure they released vogue pictures of the members after the lineup was released, except it was just released live so how did they know the lineup? it was rigged. that means they knew who was going to be eliminated from the start and who was going to debut.
Eliminated trainees also took the photo .. it's just that theirs weren't released cause they didn't make it. But yeah the show is rigged ..big time. It's Hybe's loss
They really dont want to debut adults huh💀
I'm really proud and happy for the ones who got to the final lineup but even though they are really talented some trainees deserved to debut like Jiwoo or Chanelle, I hope they debut solo or in another group they are all really talented and I wish them all the best
when chanelle was gone l was shocked and l had a last hope which was jiwoo and now both did not debut this show was really rigged
It’s supposed to be a global girl group but the votes from international fans barely even matter+the 2 most popular trainees internationally got eliminated?
I'm not mad, I'm just sad for the same reason
the second they dropped ruka i dropped the show lol
literally same
Me too
Look at the positive side: they won't debut and be managed by the incompet hybe and hopefully debut somewhere else
Don't blame hybe. Blame the loser LABEL BELIFT.
Hybe is literally one of the most popular, powerful and richest companys in the world even outside kpop but ok
@@Gyugen4401but belift is created by bang sihyuk LOL
@@Zetsuputih123 BANG PD and CJ ENT, LOL don't cry he is not even the CEO of belift. Stop whining
@@Gyugen4401Be lift is under HYBE it’s all the same..
It’s rigged and I can’t wait for someone to reveal that it was indeed rigged cause the line up doesn’t make sense especially Wonhee getting 1st place Jiwoo,Chanelle and Jeemin not debuting like they didn’t even try to hide the favouritism and the rigging in the show 💀
Wonhee got 1st place coz 70% of the votes are koreans only and only 30% of the votes are international fans. Its so unfair tbh and she got 1st place since she's VERY VERY popular in korea
@@ahmadsadiq2311 the international votes weren’t even included they obviously did it on purpose cause Jiwoo and Jeemin are both one of the most popular trainees
@@ahmadsadiq2311 I admit she's popular but in my opinion Minju and Youngseo are more popular than her. Or have you forgotten the episode when Minju got 1st in Korean votes??!!
@@Oyinkan_25 yeah EXACTLY. Some fans thought that hybe wasn't even wanted to debut wonhee in the first place. They thought that for the top 2 votes, youngseo and minju would took the spot but suddenly wonhee got it so they had to choose one member that they want to debut to be excluded from the lineup. And that's why they need to choose between yunah and jeemin. But because they need someone who's older and maybe potential leader, they chose yunah over jeemin
I feel like most people voted Wonhee for her looks… she doesn’t seem ready to debut. In a couple years definitely, but for now she needs more training
@@callmehiwatt1696it’s not guaranteed but they have a higher chance of debuting than the older girls. The older contestants (19+) have such a little chance left it’s sad. The industry loves to debut younger people and will often cut people out because of their age. Let’s not be blind to this. And yes wonhee and the younger girls are very talented but when compared against girls who were debut material the difference is stark.
@@callmehiwatt1696 most high ranking trainees on survival shows are given more chances to debut, /especially/ the younger ones. I’m not denying she’s talented because she definitely is, but there were other contestants who are arguably much more prepared and will most likely NOT get another chance to debut because they’re in their late teens
The judges should've been: Soyeon and Jyp. HYBE is so flop for making this a group
facts.
One thing that gave me an ick about wonhee is that she didn't have any reaction other than smiling when she was announced. All the others were emotional while she wasn't. It was like she expected it.
Hybe r a KPOP company so obviously they want to earn money. To do that they need popular members to debut. But these geniuses decided that they will keep their faves and get rid of talented ones. The second chanelle was gone i knew I should’ve lost hope. For some reason I was sure jiwoo would debut but knowing Hybe I think it’s better for her not to debut in a group called I’ll it. They r so biased and they aren’t even trying to hide it. I’m not trying to hate on the members but they literally put wonhee in first place when she trained for only two months and she herself said she wasn’t ready. For all the trainees that didn’t debut, I don’t think they missed out on anything they will hopefully debut in a better group.
They choose to ignore the international fandom completely, which is the dumbest decision HYBE ever made, considering their objective is literally to debut groups that would appeal globally. I also can’t understand why they insisted on debuting girls like Wonhee, Iroha, Moka who weren’t ready to debut yet, when you got powerhouses like Jeemin, Jiwoo, Yeongseo and Yunah RIGHT THERE😭 They fit together perfectly, instead they chose to pair them with 3 kids..
I’m very curious how they’re gonna turn out, tho i don’t imagine they’ll do very well abroad anymore..
@@xoluciaxo_3721you really forgot that ENHYPEN exists..during their debut period everyone was complaining
@@callmehiwatt1696HYBE doesn’t always ignore us. They literally love their international fanbase. Ion where you got that from.
@@callmehiwatt1696 The song was literally created by an english speaker and also, culture doesn't justify problematic shit. Don't be delusional, omg,
@@callmehiwatt1696 sadly but yes, many similar situations like this have happened before, and people forgot about them in no time
First Ruka , Second Chanelle and then Jiwoo? no wayy , IM DONE😤
Is Hybe allergic to debuting adults or why are most of their new artists only minors?
Like who
I'm proud of Yunah, Youngseo, Minju and that's it. Jiwoo, Jeemin and Chanelle should have gotten into the group. Also Wonhee shouldn't be first, maybe 5th of 6th but it dose not make sense that shes 1st.
ikr yunah youngseo minju jiwoo jeemin and chanelle should’ve got selected
I voted for Wonhee becuase I believe in her talents not just visuals but on the other hand I didn't expect too much that she can get a first place,( I was expecting her to be in top 5 or 6) becuase us we know she's quite popular into knetz.
@@saveaia263 imo Wonhee needs more training. She looks scared everytime she goes on stage.
@@aerei7well everyone can learn that.
In my opinion group will be so okay if Jiwoo and Jeemin were in group instead of Iroha and Wonhee...
Yeah same
AND CHANELLE AND JIHYUN 😭
They eliminated the good ones, what bad judges
@@Engene4enhylen4ever they were both my biases from beginning Jihyun can easily be main dancer and Chanelle is literally all rounder...
@@lanalatica8884 IK 😭
Chanelle, jiwoo and jeemin deserved so much better.
True.. The were the aces of the competition.
Actual line up
1. Jeemin
2. Jiwoo
3. Yunah
4. Chanelle
5. Youngseo
6. Minju
This group would be a blop if they all debuted together.
It's literally all about visuals ....😂
K netizens are really insane
I'm pretty satisfied with the group tho I do wished for jiwoo to get in but all of the members are insanely talented and I'm sure they are gonna be a great group together, fans are always agitated by the final results of a survival show but we gotta consider that the entertainment also chooses the members of factors that were not mention (for example the colour of the groups voice, matching attitude foe the groups image ect.) and pretty privilege will always be a thing we shouldn't be surprised by that now but be happy for those who made it and be excited to watch them grow together :)
I feel like it'll be like what happened to izone
Same
Fr
Izone is best group in survival asleast all the members re successful after the disband
International fans did get to vote but the Korean votes held more importance and were basically worth more 😒
@@callmehiwatt1696chaeyeon?
Fandom name : Are you rigged?😂
I literally screamed when jiwoo and Chanelle didn't debut. The whole lineup was rigged.
They even separated the closest duo Yunah and Jeemin (Rivalz)
they did jiwoo so dirty like she should have been on debut team when moka name was announced i was shocked because only one spot was left and jiwoo yunah and jeemin were left
I really wanted jeemin jiwoo and jeoungun to debut 😭😭and channele tooo
Jiwoo, honey, you deserve better
Those who voted for Wonhee, will hate her if she cannot sing good in live performances. Double standards.
They never cared about international fans, they probably didnt really care about the votes either. Ngl i feel like they were just desperate to debut Wonhee. Not debuting Jeemin Jiwoo and Jeongeun is such a crime, and eliminating Chanelle and Jihyun was just as bad. I had a little hope for the lineup but now that it’s announced i dont even know what their doing like what even is the group name?? There were more trainees who deserved to debut than some in the lineup.
this was so unfair and rigged..
hybe /belift didn’t even try to hide that it’s rigged 😂
Every survival show is rigged but this one just makes it more obvious
How the hell did wonhee debut
I knew Wonhee was potentially debuting because of the amount of screen time she received and her story arc. What I’m most surprised about was that she ranked #1. Something that she hasn’t done throughout the competition. She ranked above Youngseo and even Minju who were at the top in the voting rankings.
She is the MOST popular trainee in the show in Korea so I'm literally not surprised
@@princessaroyale obviously global votes mean nothing… otherwise the outcome could possibly look a lot different.
I think this is the first time I’ve ever been pissed at a survival show lineup before
Bet u haven't heard about fantasy boys before
I’m gonna Stan them no matter what
They clearly don't care about the international fans as our votes did not even count💀
Why did they let us even vote. Did our votes matter? No, it did not.
I get how Wonhee is popular in Korea and can get voted to debut but there was NO WAY she ended up first, this show is absolutely rigged. There is also no way Chanelle got eliminated and Ruka should’ve stayed at least like to the final episode.
When the line up was being announced I had a feeling Jiwoo wouldn't be apart of the debut group I hoped that feeling was wrong but oh well😔
most rigged survival show ever
yes, also because of the final votes went only for the korean public and the last 4 members to the coaches, it was so unfair, actually this whole show was so unfair in so many reasons
It’s the way this came on my feed right after ILAND 2 announced their final lineup and boy oh boy did Jeemin luck out on making it in another group that has a way more solid lineup 😂
Now let’s see if Jiwoo, Chanelle, and Jihyun can do the same thing Jeemin did ❤
I can’t believe that Chanelle and Ruka did not debut, the moment Ruka was eliminated I stopped to watch the show
I have been watching survival shows for years now and the moment I saw the 1st episode I sensed that this will go wrong especially when they did dirty by in ranking the high , mid and low I was literally disgusted and never watched ever since the 1st episode and now that I saw the line up I was actually right.
The lineup was very disappointing and the big thing I don’t understand is why they would market the group as a global group and then completely ignore the wishes of the international fans. Even apart from that it’s clear this lineup wasn’t based off talent (not saying the final lineup is full of a bunch of dozens cause that’s not the case) which is literally what most of us were preaching for. 🤦🏽♀️ They won’t be “it” but they will definitely be something…
Don't worry guys because Jeemin is actually debuting! As I can't guarantee all the rest of the R U NEXT contestants will debut for sure let's keep rooting for all the girls and support ILLIT as much as we can! Trust me, I had favorites too but let's not take away all the efforts every single contestant had to go through.
Oh no, a survival show was rigged? Totally didn't see this coming (sarcastic)
I was watching the show for Himena, Jiwoo, Hyewon, Moka, Minju, Yunah
Pretty sure HYBE is trying to create a visual group like BP with a fresher take like NJ. They will find visuals that compliments each other bc at the end of the day- knetz only appreciates looks, not talents.
Did you just say BP is a visual group????
@@CrazyTreYerthey are but idk why they are mentioning them as if they are only popular for their vocals EDIT:: I MEANT BLACKPINK IS A GROUP WITH ALL VISUALS 😭 I DIDNT MEAN THEY ARE TALENTLESS
They wanted a group that Koreans loved (twice) but also wanted one that international fans loved yet they didn’t allow I-fans to vote lmfao
BP is a visual group?
@@wonyoungoveryou girl… the only visual groups I know are IVE be fr.
Still waiting for a fair kpop competition show.....
This is a long comment so have fun lol:
I was watching the livestream and the second Jiwoo wasn’t selected for the final lineup I just shut it off and couldn’t even bring myself to want to support Ill-It.
Jiwoo had been my #1 pick from day one, and she has the most vocal skills, a great dancer, a wonderful leader. All those girls looked up to her and international fans loved her. I do not get why she wasn’t picked.
I don’t mind the final lineup, minus Wonhee (if it was wonhee switched with Jiwoo I would’ve been fine). But idk what concept they are going with bc Yunah, Youngseo and Minju’s vibes are different from the others.
I think Hybe shot themselves in the foot with a solid fanbase do to the fact that they gave themselves the power to choose the last 4 members, and made it near impossible for global fans to cote for the 70% final part 2. If they just had the normal voting for everyone to participate and let at least 4/6 (if not 6/6) members be picked by votes, I am sure most people wouldn’t be so angry, believing it was the voters who made the decisions. But seeing as Hybe picked the majority of the members, with some decisions that most fans disagree, they brought the anger and loss of fans unto themselves. It was a dumb decision. I would have like it like Iland, where 5/6 members are chosen on voted and the last one is a judges pick.
Now, just bc I’m a bit disappointed does not mean I will hate on the group. I am looking forward to Jiwoo’s debut soon, hopefully, but I will listen to the debut of Ill-It and see if I like the music.
Please don’t hate on the group everyone. If you don’t like, either simply ignore them or comment in a respectful manner why. Don’t hate.
Channelle, Jiwoo, Haruka like girl!!! These three were talented.
This group only serve Korea and Japan market
Yes, its so sad.
this is the reason why i dont watch this kind of stuff. I mean they are all rigged, arent they? i kinda feel like it may be no point in watching these, since the final lineup may be already decided before. If im not mistaken it was like that with fromis9? Im not sure tho
Ikr but i feel like with this survival show there's stronger reactions. Like usually theres some who are happy with the lineup but i found none bc everyone said the show was gone after chanelle? And jiwoo were eliminated and wonhee got to debut
Idk I never watched the show bc I knew I was gonna be disappointed. I hope the Dream Academy is better
@@_deesh_honestly they dont even need to act as if they care about International fans with their new "global" show.They literally ignored all of our votes i wouldn't support hybe
For some reason i expected this one to be different and i thought i could easily filter out the ‘filler’ trainees vs the ones who would actually debut😂 Turned out i underestimated Korea’s love for debuting underaged mediocre girls instead of choosing actual talent, and got disappointed once again🤡
@guinnmyahslaysstaymad1055 honestly how do some of these girls get on the show? Dont you have to audition with submissions and advance to the "next round" or something? And the people on the show are the best of the best of those who auditioned? There must have been so many girls who genuinely had talent and should have been in the show but they got rejected for mediocre people. This isnt even r u next its every survival show
But Fromis-9 are actually really talented.
No other survival show will ever be as good and traumatising as I-land
I want a group of jimin jiwoo chanelle jong eun and other talented trainees..it is going to be blast..fightinggg.lets debute
They call it a global group but exclude all international votes, not to mention the judges picking the contestants and we all know who they wanted to pick 😃
Like they didnt even try to hide the fact that they had bias towards specific contestants and wanted specific contestants out
Chanelle and Jiwoo were the only two I was in it for. Here’s to the second survival show group I won’t even be thinking of stanning. First was ZB1.
ZB1 actually has great members tho. Most of them can sing.
@@geegee6752 be so fr. The ones that get the most lines strain, wakeone doesn’t give the rappers shit and wakeone also threw Kep1er in the trash after ZB1 was formed. Until Taerae gets the most lines since he’s the best vocalist in the group I will not be supporting them.
Hui, Hwanhee, and Jay were way better than a majority of the lineup technique wise. Zhang Hao while having a lovely lower register doesn’t have what it takes to compete with Jongho, Woong, Seunghun, Seoho, Sangyeon, etc. and Taerae while being the best vocalist in ZB1 is pitchy.
At the end of the day, being able to sing is different than being a good singer and when the voters threw away Hui and Hwanhee they untimely ruined the groups future.
no because aiki face when jiwoo didn’t get called 😭
Voting system was actually difficult to use...
This was so obviously rigged it's funny. We all knew something was up when they eliminated Ruka. Eliminating Chanelle just confirmed everything. This group is going to flop so hard.
It's not about having favorites that's not really why they're mad .girls who were eliminated were way more talented then the final lineup that's why its rigged
idc I like the line up though I wanted some other girls to debut too but that's fine.
I'm disappointed too of the final lineup but i gonna stan them no matter what, this girls receive so much hate by toxic fans, they need someone who loves them so all of you at least support them and don't spread hate because this girls deserve all the love in the world.
They literally eliminated the best ones.. they're loss Ngl.. Chanelle,jiwoo and ruka..🔛🔝
When I saw that Ruka, Chanelle and Jiwoo were eliminated I stopped watching it. Hybe really doesn't care about International votes?
my top 6 was
1 Ena
2 haseul
3 jihyun
4 minju
5 moka
6 moa
and im so happy that minju and moka debuted
Gurl not ena 😭😭😭 but either way, glad that ur picks made into the final lineup
@@ahmadsadiq2311 but it's my opinion i liked Ena even though her young age she had some pretty good skills and her visuals to die for
it’s known that a lot of Korean companies don’t care about international fans, but even the K audience only got to choose 2/6 members in the end… the judges personally chose 4/6 members. Otherwise Jeemin & Jeongeun who were chosen by the Korean audience would’ve made it… I’m a Yunah & Moka stan, but votes are votes
Lmaooo once I saw Jiwoo place 9th I closed the tab
OOHHH MY GHAD CHANELLE DIDN'T MAKE IT????!!!! THAT WAS SO FUC*ED UP!!! THEY ARE F UP
This is why I never watch these type of survival shows they literally choose who they want from the beginning
I am so disappointed,i am a fan of Ruka but when she is eliminated i dont blame anyone i just thought she need more improve but lets be honest here Jiwoo way more talented than most the debut member and we international fan supported her so much
I am really disappointed by how Hybe label run the show
I know we are mad that our picks didn't make it or the show is rigged but y'all are too much for commenting "Death threats" to Wonhee in their first live. Please think before you comment/speak she's a minor.
I swear the worst thing was the voting system for finals like does it even makes sense??
If they want to debut an avengers, they should choose yunah, jiwoo, jeemin, chanelle, youngseo, and minju
And Jeongeun she is a all rounder, and is great in every perfomance.