The owners of the jet and two of the people who died on the aircraft were both great friends of mine. Everyone is devastated by this horrible tragedy. They were both amazing people and so influential in the community. So glad to have known them for the time I did!
I was actually coming in to land when this tragic accident took place. Tower didn’t realize what was happening until a Cessna taking off behind the jet rejected the takeoff and advised tower of the situation. People who were preflighting on the ramp say that there was a loud boom indicating some sort of engine issue, maybe a compressor stall, and the pilot chose to reject the TO above V1 speed. Thank you Juan for the quick upload. Like always, excellent job breaking down these videos. I’m a CFI and I always recommend your channel to my students. It’s important to learn the unfortunate mistakes made by others.
FSI Go No-Go training covers so much of this. Just take it in the air, unless it can’t fly. You train for this and practice this. More fatalities from rejected takeoffs than engine failures above V1.
@jeffdo9195 That was not the case. VASAviation has the transmission. Cessna was cleared for takeoff, few seconds later, he called tower saying he was stopping on the runway. Then the tower issued the cancel takeoff clearance. I was coming in to land when this happened.
@@rq5647 Absolutely. Although we only have information from the preliminary report, I am positive the jet could’ve continued accelerating to V2, do a lap in the pattern and come in for a landing. Too soon to judge, we will see what the final report says.
@jeffdo9195 , the radio I heard was of the pilot of the second aircraft informing the tower that he were stopping on runway 22L due to a fire at the end of the runway. I heard the controller acknowledge and ask why. The Cessna pilot restated that there was a fire at the end of the runway. The tower then canceled the landing clearance for an aircraft already in the pattern.
I like the way you handle your commentary on these incidents. You ask the questions that need asking, but you don't speculate about the answers. Then you add in your extensive knowledge to round out the video. Well done.
Student pilot here. Thank you for the commentary about needing to spoiling lift in order to get the weight back into the wheels for braking. This helps paint a clear picture of the physics involved with rejected takeoffs, and why decelerating is more difficult than accelerating in this situation.
As a student pilot I would have thought you knew the difference between breaking and braking. It is rather important, in this case you are talking about *braking.
@@rallyden Very sad. One never really knows in life what our next and possibly last moments hold in store for them. My condolences to his family and friends!
I have a soft spot for the HondaJet, as I was privileged to work on the GE-Honda HF120 engine certification effort. There are 222 HondaJets on the US registry. There are no thrust reversers on the HF120, nor on most smaller jets.
@olympiashorts Ok, so probably not a factor here, but would have been a problem if he lost an engine after V1. He had no problem keeping the plane straight down the runway.
Local (AZ) news reporting the 4 plane crash victims were the pilot, 2 adults in their 40's, and a 12 year old kid. Driver of vehicle not identified pending family notification and the survivor hospitalized with burns also not identified. Very sad. Healing energy to everyone.
Sadly another “Single Pilot Operation” gone wrong! Obviously l have no idea what caused this unfortunate accident, but perhaps a second qualified pilot in this cockpit could have had a different outcome.
This is really unacceptable, being able to not even leave the ground and cause so many fatalities. I don't see how this is anything other than gross negligence of the pilot.
@@CommanderRiker0 at this stage, what you see is the same as the rest of us, which is very little, so by default your conclusion is very subjective, and completely unsubstantiated.
@@CommanderRiker0 wow way to fail. u literally have ZERO idea what happened yet, and you're already rendering accusations like that? what a straight NPC smooth brain you are.
I was in the southwest most hangar at kFFZ. We heard something and ran outside to see the plum of smoke. We rushed onto the ramp to see if it was one of our students. We're all pretty shaken up about it.
Apparently, at MTOW, V2 for the HondaJet is 133 knots. So the RTO wasn't just above V1, it was above V2 at all legal weights. Curiouser and curiouser...
Correction on the owner. It is Ice Man Holdings, not Iceman Holdings. Going by the FAA registry address, it is related to Hub Realty, a rental property management company.
@@R27D Sounds like they were great members of the community from the comments I've read, but if this comment is correct and MSR was part of the trend of large companies buying up homes as rentals, then people should know that is what is sending rental, and sale, prices of homes in this country through the roof. If that's what their business was, they were not great members of the national community. However, no matter what they did, no one deserves to die for what they do, especially like this. And I wish my sincerest condolences to their families.
@@jimslimm6090but if you fact check it (although obvious) he is right and makes a good point. I don’t know if its the recent generations that have been victimized by the politically controlled and piss poor education system or poor parenting but many people now days believe the phony front others put on or believe and pass on to others the untruths told to them by others without a simple fact check. Unfking believeable!
I don't know the pilot's experience here or whether he was the company's owner and the pilot. I had a short stint at Flight Safety as a Citation Mustang instructor just before the economy crashed in 2009. Many of our clients were CEOs who were transitioning from light twins and single-engine turboprops. We used an FAA-approved metric to assess whether the pilot would be allowed to even try for a single pilot-type certificate. Although many had the skill set to transition into a small jet from such backgrounds, we sometimes faced the situation part way through training where we had to tell the client/pilot they could no longer continue with the single-pilot type and have to go for a crew type. This created its own set of challenges as these pilots had never acted as PIC of a crewed airplane and had to learn how to use a first officer. From various accident reports in the years since it seems that there is possibly a disproportional amount of accidents in these small jets related to lack of experience dealing with this type of performance and operating environment. I'd be interested to hear what others think about this issue.
That is an interesting point. We only have a Bonanza, and I only have my PPL, but my husband uses me as a pseudo first officer, especially during IFR flights.
That could be a significant factor given what I’ve gathered from news reports: Police released the names of the four occupants of the plane who were dead at the scene. Local news source stated pilot was among the deceased. I looked up the names of the deceased in the FAA database. Only one of them has a private license with a type rating for this plane, and he’s not the one who was identified as the pilot - that person is in the database, but has no certifications (Both the person named as the pilot and the person who is type rated were managers in the company that owned the plane)
@@scottwright8354 As an aspiring aviator with only a few helicopter hours under my belt, I can see how things get out of hand very quickly. I don't know if a co-pilot would have made a difference if the rumors of a malfunction are true. Some things just happen at the worst possible moment...Tragic for all involved.
What factors were used determine that someone was told they were unqualified for single pilot? Was it performance during training? I'm curious because during PPL training there is the understanding people will perform/progress at sometimes very different rates but nevertheless most will eventually succeed with enough perserverence.
I drive down Greenfield Rd every day right at that time. I must have missed this by about 3 minutes, I saw the fire up ahead and police and fire trucks were just rolling up so I turned around. What an awful accident.
Please, if you can, pray for the Kimball family. This friend of mine lost his older brother to suicide not even a year ago. Today, he lost his dad and his younger brother. It is beyond devastating.
Incredible job by the Mesa pd and fire to secure the accident. The fire was put out swiftly and the roads were closed promptly. RIP to those who lost their lives.
When he mentioned the plane has the option to be equipped with voice & fight data recorders, i cant believe that in 2024 it's not mandatory for *all* new planes and some kind of retrofitting for active planes. Digital storage is so small, and has massive capacity, someone could easily create a small protective housing unit for literally every kind of plane. If someone out there says it's not practical or that kind of recordings are easily corrupted, my response is: better than nothing
Unlikely but the only other reason which I have seen in 35 years of charter flying in medium cabin size jets is a pending brake failure which is not seen or detected until the take off roll. I have personal knowledge of an aborted takeoff due to not being able to physically rotate the airplane at Vr even though you command it with aft pressure on the yoke. The nose of the airplane refused to lift due to counterclockwise resistance due to a failed brake assembly which was essentially actuating to brake the wheel assy. The take off roll was aborted with plenty of runway left, taxied off the runway, parked and then the fuse plugs blew and both tires went flat. So this is an example of an abort beyond V1 because the airplane would not fly. Just one possibility here.
Exactly! Heavy smoke can clearly be seen trailing the aircraft for several hundred yards before departing the runway any point after the smoke it was already over!
I'm reminded of the 2021 Houston incident in which a MD-87 had one of the elevators jammed by high winds. When the pilot went to rotate, the plane stayed firmly on the ground forcing them to abort in the high-speed regime and thus they rolled off the end of the runway.
@@kCI251mentor pilot did a video about the Houston flight a while back - on that particular aircraft, a control sweep wouldn't have revealed the locked elevator since the control tab was still free
@@y2kbugg123Juan did one too. It wasnt that it was impossible to discover the problem on the ground but that the high tail configuration makes it more difficult to spot because walkarounds are done from ground level . And it was not spotted.
Thanks Juan. I thought it was going to be another parking brake incident until you showed the speeds. Now I suspect that the aircraft had a mechanical issue preventing the aircraft from rotating. The pilot continued to accelerate well past his V speeds suggesting that he was late in realizing the aircraft couldn't fly. No comms also seem to point to surprise.
@@mylifeisdope916 True. But there was an aircraft on final cleared to land behind the departing HondaJet. In a typical rejected takeoff the pilot would notify the tower as soon as practicable.
This is so confusing! Why? How? ATC tower was confused as well. EDIT: VAS brought us the incident, Juan answered many questions. Teamwork. God Bless the souls lost in this tragedy.
Wow live on the other side if the airport. Had no clue to this until now. If this had been the opposite end of runway would be major traffic intersection. This happened very close to the museum thst still Flys several war birds. Major training airport at Falcon field, training all day every day, lots of traffic.
No thrust reversers and no ground spoilers is a bad combination. You are totally dependent on ABS and the split speedbrake at the tail. Judging from the smoke visible, it appears the brakes were locked. Hopefully the pilot survives to explain what occurred. I'm sure he's in bad shape. Tragic loss for the family and friends of those lost. Truly tragic.
Which would mean you’d really want to be sure the aircraft is ready to fly before applying power. Would it have elevator position indicators to show full deflection up and down as a preflight check with the yoke while taxiing, I wonder?
Thank you very much for picking this accident up! This is not only a sad but so far also enigmatic event. It´s really the question why a pilot would do something like that. He must have known his speeds.
So sad, my condolences go out to the friends and families of all that perished. As always a great detailed report of the accident. Thanks Juan ! Hope the pilot makes it so he can relay information on what happened. Maybe help to save someone else’s life one day if there’s some sort of mechanical issue involved.
The Cessna aborting with traffic on final will cause a controller to hyper focus right into that situation. It’s obvious the controller thought the concerns the Cessna pilot was reporting were related to his own aircraft and he has to immediately react to now protecting his runway. This will cause ATC to focus on the arrival end of the runway not the departure end. It’s easy with the context we have to know what the Cessna pilot was talking about right away, keep that in mind.
Yep. And often only 1 person in the tower. He's going to be paying attention to the NE. Nothing to indicate any issues outbound via radio until the Cessna makes his call.
And he had another flight that was cleared for landing that he had to send around, which meant he also had to focus on making sure that plane maintained separation as well - and the priority has got to be making sure that the planes flying don’t crash into each other over anything that is happening on the ground
@ronaldglider Very unlikely task overload. To accelerate well beyond Vr, never rotating, then extremely late abort, can only be a pitch malfunction. ..actual failure or control lock. At 133 and accelerating, it could have flown with no flaps, one engine, etc. Went straight off the end, so it was otherwise under control.........pitch failure 100%. It's a control that you don't use until high speed and when it does nothing, it's very late to have a safe resolution.
Great insight Juan. You took the words out of my mouth, as I’ve seen more than a few Citation accidents related to the parking brake. I think you mentioned a speed of 133 kts? Speed brakes remind of the F-86 and F-104.
Juan, I am not typed but but a good friend is. The brakes on the Honda jet are terrible if they are the original generation brakes they’re no good and even the upgraded brakes are terrible. This is indeed a very sad event. Not sure why he would attempt a rejected take off with that amount of speed..
If you know the brakes are bad then it’s an even worse decision to expect them to save you because you didn’t want to do your job anymore. I am not commenting on what happened here as it might not have been pilot error just a general comment. Too many people throw their hand in the air and give up instead of taking the responsibility for dealing with the situation that they should
0:50 not too sure if that is smoke from locked wheel brakes. That might be where the aircraft starts to hit the sand as it goes off the hard surface. We had a similar incident years ago on the opposite side of the Phoenix Valley with a runaway jet. The results were the same as the F-16 went off the hard surface, tore through the fence and crashed on the opposite side of the road. Luckily the nearby plane spotters didn't get hit. During the dry season that sand can get stiff enough to support a moving aircraft.
I was driving down McKelliips Rd and saw the plume of smoke rise into the sky. When I got closer, I saw the airplane in a huge ball of fire. This was very sad to witness. Fire crews, ambulances, and police responded very quickly. Thank you to our Mesa Firefighters. God bless the souls of those lost.
I live not far from Falcon Field. I used to keep my Cessna 172 there. No jets used Falcon Field at that time. I now keep my aircraft at Chandler Municipal Airport. Now jets use Chandler Municipal as well as helicopters. This situation does not make sense. The only thing I can think of would be a mechanical failure of the aircraft that made takeoff impossible. Surely the pilot knew he was going way too fast to reject the takeoff.
If his head was in the radar and saw the plane reach V1, I can understand if he missed it the first time.... But then when the next pilot said rejecting, to not even look at the runway....
@Nemesisxnt Hard to miss all that smoke. People on the radio in the pattern start saying “smoke”, you better look around… whether you’re flying in traffic or directing it. It’s going to effect everything and everyone really quick. There’s a school that operates a fair amount of aircraft out of that field.
My dad told me about the news from other people when we're driving back home after a long day at work and we check it up ourselves and my god it really is a sad moment. My condolences to the family and friends who lost their loved ones.
Teterboro airport in NJ had a jet fail to stop after an abort. It went through the perimeter fence, acrossed a six lane hwy, luckily just damaging some cars then torpedoed a warehouse with just the tail sticking out. Teterboro has since installed traps at the end of the runways so as to slow or stop acft before they go off of arpt property.
That was off runway 6 I believe. Overrun runway 1 and you could hit the Exxon station on the corner, which has since been removed. The soft concrete pads are a good solution that work for heavy planes. The navy used nets on their straight deck carriers to stop jets, this might work at small airports as well.
my observation is, it could not rotate for an unknown reason, it continue to accelerate for 7 seconds , and then the reject was initiated, great presentation . saludos Ibero
Where I worked, any problem after V1 was treated as an "in flight" problem. The last procedure l was taught, specified that on takeoff an initial reaction to a problem (engine failure etc.) must have taken before or just at V1. If a problem occurs AT V1, by the time the problem is realized and action taken, you will be beyond V1 and you will NOT be able to stop on the remaining runway. Problems at or near V1 have been the topic of discussion for many years. It can be a little complicated when crew reaction time and the "oh $hit, what happened" question is taken into account. An example is, ten of fifteen knots prior to V1 my hand would come off the throttles and we were considered to be flying at that point. Maybe this post was a little longer than it should have been LOL but I have always thought discussions about V1 very interesting.
My guess is that 6-7 seconds was the pilot frantically trying to figure out that the malfunction is. At that time, as you point out, you are effectively in the air.
Falcon Field history The airport was used by the British RAF in WW2 to train pilots......good weather and no attacks. Of course, the pilots would have to be retrained to fly in the constant rain when they returned to England.
V1 speed or decision is more like an action speed. At acceleration rates around 4 or 5 kts per second, if you make a decision at V1, by the time you act, you are already above.
I think the FAA/NTSB needs to do a really good job investigating this considering the aircraft involved, this one is a head scratcher to me at this point. Thanks for the prelim.
When I saw the VAS video, I initially thought, "that seems like a short runway." (Sorry for the several rude comments you got on that video!). But then I did the math. That runway is nearly a mile long (I know, because I lived in Denver, the Mile High City, and in Leadville, Colorado at 10,200 ft.). There must have been something wrong with the jet. It wasn't a short field.
Juan - So sad, somethin' must have been amiss, observed late, we'd only know for sure if had been aboard, but thankfully, neither of us were. Hopefully Pilot can shed light, but won't change fact plenty of victims....RIP!
Juan. I rarely comment on the actions of my fellow controllers ( I’m retired ZAU/C90) but having listened to VASAviations channel I find this controllers actions horrible. And while it did not contribute to the cause of the accident it does display a case poor actions on the part of the controller
The controller did exactly what he needed to do - controlled the traffic. He told the plane that had been cleared for landing to go around, he cancelled the takeoff clearance, and in the moment it took him to decide what he was going to do with the planes other planes in the immediate area, somebody had already stepped in and offered to call in the emergency I was initially concerned about his response, but when I went back and listened again, I don’t think his actions were unreasonable
I had to watch this video again because I obviously wasn’t listening properly; I thought the aircraft had actually crashed into a vehicle on the runway (I also didn’t read the description either!). Anyway it makes sense now so it will be interesting to see the NTSB investigation report as to why they rejected after V1. In any case, very tragic for all affected. Lesson to me: don’t try doing two things at once! And thanks Blancolirio, for a great video as always.
The Honda Jet is runway hungry for its class. Not a fault - all designs are give some take some - but something you need to be aware of if you are operating it.
Always very sad. My sympathies to all the families members and friends of the victims. Hopefully we will find out more. We do not know much about the pilot. One thing I know, flying non pilot passengers can some times keep you away from your check list.
Probably because they're super expensive - the option sheet Juan showed indicates these are $5 million airplanes. At that price level you've also got to consider Daher TBMs and Pilatus PC-12s, either of which will do more for you than a HondaJet.
@@weirdshibainu They seem to have an unusually high number of landing overrun accidents, but this apparerently is the first ever fatal accident in about 20 years of operation. Also, jet pilots have to be type rated, so arguably a Private pilot flying a jet is better trained than a Private pilot flying a SETP. But of course insurance dictates experience requirements and recurrent training to a large extent.
just guessing. pilot didn't notice -something- until he tried to roll, then either struggled with the thing, or struggled mentally about what to do, or a combo, and the delay made it impossible to recover. you can fly one of these without rudder control, but maybe trying to figure that out at roll was beyond the circumstances. almost everything else has a built-in bells and whistles alarm. even fuel (failure to refuel). engine failure seems unlikely since it kept accelerating. even a medical issue doesn't seem possible since there was braking. sounds like we'll have a deeper debrief at some point.
reminds me of the crash at teterboro a while back where the weight and balance was too far forward and they could not rotate, ended up shooting off the end of the runway in a similar fashion
Thanks for this video, I was hoping you would do this soon and you did. All this time watching your channel and many others on these accidents and this is the first time I"ve heard of a HondaJet. Thanks for explaining it's history.
@@strawpiglet It is a general aviation field. It mainly does training aircraft, under 3000 pounds. A jet is rare. The expense to benefit is low for this field.
I know it going to be horrible for the pilot who will have to live with this for the rest of his life - my wife was at the controls of a train when she hit and killed a family that ran the crossing so I know the pain he will go through - On the bright side if you want to call it that we have a witness that can say what happened. As a retired pilot I know the procedure I would have used after 45 years in the air, BUT that just happens to be me. And I am sure he took every second he could to do what he could and I am looking at 20% pilot error, 70 percent plane and the rest as an unknown like a blown tire at which time and speed would be a crap shoot for the decision. Thank you all for the reporting and job done. I don't fly anything fancy now but I always am looking for education and I hope other follow you for the same reason
My sympathies to your wife. People who run railroad crossings that are active are so incredibly foolish, and the train personnel have so few options when they're put into imminent crash situations. As for this accident, I wonder if they will find that excess weight was an issue.
A good friend of mine, who also lived in my neighborhood, was killed when the car in which she was a passenger was struck at a RR crossing. The report was that she, the driver, and another passenger were attempting to "beat the train". So, yes, I can imagine the pain your wife felt and probably still feels. I know what it's like on this side of the matter, too.
I’m familiar with Falcon field as my folks live due west of it and traffic is constantly flying over on approach/departure to stay under the flight path for Sky Harbor’s approach. It’s used by many GA aircraft on a daily basis as well as several warbirds. If you look to the end of the runway where the jet departed the field, you can see the parked warbirds including the B17 Sentimental Journey. Not sure what happened to ATC, but it should be looked into before we all jump to conclusions.
as someone else pointed out in another comment: "The Cessna aborting with traffic on final will cause a controller to hyper focus right into that situation. It’s obvious the controller thought the concerns the Cessna pilot was reporting were related to his own aircraft and he has to immediately react to now protecting his runway. This will cause ATC to focus on the arrival end of the runway not the departure end. " -Skunks-w0rks there were also a few other planes in his airspace he was looking after.
Jeepers Juan Ive just seen this and clicked on it to watch . You uploaded 10 mins ago and 3262 people have watched it! Amazing reach your vids have. Another superb watch sir. Best from me way Down Under in Middle Earth!
Rejecting the TO at that speed meant that the A/C was ready to fly. So there would have been minimum weight on the wheels and minimum braking efficiency. I'd be curious as to the amount of time the pilot had or if the owner of the company was operating it. Been a while since I retired from 121 operations, under 12.5K weight is a type rating required for a turbine A/C?
Small or no consolation to the families of those lost, but hopefully the pilot is able to recover and give an explanation of why the takeoff was rejected.
Lots to look at. Non standard control lock, FOD in controls, FOD or covers over pitot system giving erroneous airspeed indications, lots of possibilities.
@@alfredomarquez9777 That's a hard one to miss on the Honda Jet, a giant red wrap around yoke. ADS-B data shows plane just would fly and pilot couldn't get airborne, but he's alive.
Seems like he had plenty of speed. Possibly, parking brake? Flaps setting, or speed brakes improperly set? Who knows? Thank you Juan for the video. Our prayers to the families.
Good review. Regarding V1 as being the speed above which the aircraft is unable to stop during an abort, that's only true if it's balanced field length limited. A longer runway can give more margin, "unbalanced field."
The owners of the jet and two of the people who died on the aircraft were both great friends of mine. Everyone is devastated by this horrible tragedy. They were both amazing people and so influential in the community. So glad to have known them for the time I did!
Sorry for the loss of friends...
Spencer is/was my broker at MSR, he was a great guy. Condolences.
@@volvo09 So very sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss 😢 Thoughts and prayers for all involved 🙏 ❤️
I'm really sorry! It is was a tough thing to watch on VAS Aviation this afternoon. My sincere condolences. 🫡🇺🇸
I was actually coming in to land when this tragic accident took place. Tower didn’t realize what was happening until a Cessna taking off behind the jet rejected the takeoff and advised tower of the situation. People who were preflighting on the ramp say that there was a loud boom indicating some sort of engine issue, maybe a compressor stall, and the pilot chose to reject the TO above V1 speed.
Thank you Juan for the quick upload. Like always, excellent job breaking down these videos. I’m a CFI and I always recommend your channel to my students. It’s important to learn the unfortunate mistakes made by others.
Tower told Cessna rolling next for take off to cancel T/O clearance not the other way around
FSI Go No-Go training covers so much of this. Just take it in the air, unless it can’t fly. You train for this and practice this. More fatalities from rejected takeoffs than engine failures above V1.
@jeffdo9195 That was not the case. VASAviation has the transmission. Cessna was cleared for takeoff, few seconds later, he called tower saying he was stopping on the runway. Then the tower issued the cancel takeoff clearance. I was coming in to land when this happened.
@@rq5647 Absolutely. Although we only have information from the preliminary report, I am positive the jet could’ve continued accelerating to V2, do a lap in the pattern and come in for a landing. Too soon to judge, we will see what the final report says.
@jeffdo9195 , the radio I heard was of the pilot of the second aircraft informing the tower that he were stopping on runway 22L due to a fire at the end of the runway.
I heard the controller acknowledge and ask why. The Cessna pilot restated that there was a fire at the end of the runway. The tower then canceled the landing clearance for an aircraft already in the pattern.
I like the way you handle your commentary on these incidents. You ask the questions that need asking, but you don't speculate about the answers. Then you add in your extensive knowledge to round out the video. Well done.
Exactly why Juan's is the only one of these channels I watch.
Student pilot here. Thank you for the commentary about needing to spoiling lift in order to get the weight back into the wheels for braking. This helps paint a clear picture of the physics involved with rejected takeoffs, and why decelerating is more difficult than accelerating in this situation.
And for short field landings!
Braking.
Read about 50/70 rule and make it part of your checklist.
Or lift dumpers
As a student pilot I would have thought you knew the difference between breaking and braking. It is rather important, in this case you are talking about *braking.
Juan, the driver of the car was the husband of one of our PHX gate agents.
Wow!
Oh my goodness!😮
Condolences to his spouse and husband 🙏
@@rallyden Very sad. One never really knows in life what our next and possibly last moments hold in store for them. My condolences to his family and friends!
I have a soft spot for the HondaJet, as I was privileged to work on the GE-Honda HF120 engine certification effort.
There are 222 HondaJets on the US registry.
There are no thrust reversers on the HF120, nor on most smaller jets.
Does the gust lock on the tail lock the rudder or the elevator?
@@igclapp The rudder. The strap on the yoke locks the ailerons and elevator.
@olympiashorts Ok, so probably not a factor here, but would have been a problem if he lost an engine after V1. He had no problem keeping the plane straight down the runway.
I am glad you mention thrust reversers - I'm a prop guy so I was just curious if the pilot had reversers available. You cleared it up. Thanks!!
as I understand it the brakes aren't known for being the strongest, either.
Local (AZ) news reporting the 4 plane crash victims were the pilot, 2 adults in their 40's, and a 12 year old kid. Driver of vehicle not identified pending family notification and the survivor hospitalized with burns also not identified. Very sad. Healing energy to everyone.
Sadly another “Single Pilot Operation” gone wrong!
Obviously l have no idea what caused this unfortunate accident, but perhaps a second qualified pilot in this cockpit could have had a different outcome.
RIP especially to the person in the car... Imagine just driving a lot and seeing a jet coming towards you...
90 miles an hour from the side? the driver probably didn't see anything.
This is really unacceptable, being able to not even leave the ground and cause so many fatalities. I don't see how this is anything other than gross negligence of the pilot.
@@CommanderRiker0 this conclusion is a bit premature without more evidence.
@@CommanderRiker0 at this stage, what you see is the same as the rest of us, which is very little, so by default your conclusion is very subjective, and completely unsubstantiated.
@@CommanderRiker0 wow way to fail. u literally have ZERO idea what happened yet, and you're already rendering accusations like that? what a straight NPC smooth brain you are.
There is so much to be learned on this channel. Thanks Juan! RIP to those who died.
I was in the southwest most hangar at kFFZ. We heard something and ran outside to see the plum of smoke. We rushed onto the ramp to see if it was one of our students. We're all pretty shaken up about it.
Apparently, at MTOW, V2 for the HondaJet is 133 knots. So the RTO wasn't just above V1, it was above V2 at all legal weights. Curiouser and curiouser...
I wish I was as good at providing clear info, references, and context for things I’m passionate and knowledgeable about. Thanks Juan!
Correction on the owner. It is Ice Man Holdings, not Iceman Holdings. Going by the FAA registry address, it is related to Hub Realty, a rental property management company.
Also appear to be principles in "Main Street Renewal" which also owns a very large amount of rental homes all over the USA.
@@R27D Sounds like they were great members of the community from the comments I've read, but if this comment is correct and MSR was part of the trend of large companies buying up homes as rentals, then people should know that is what is sending rental, and sale, prices of homes in this country through the roof. If that's what their business was, they were not great members of the national community. However, no matter what they did, no one deserves to die for what they do, especially like this. And I wish my sincerest condolences to their families.
@@redfiveent Thanks for the political commentary. Totally undesirable on this channel and has nothing to do with the intent of this channel.
@@jimslimm6090but if you fact check it (although obvious) he is right and makes a good point. I don’t know if its the recent generations that have been victimized by the politically controlled and piss poor education system or poor parenting but many people now days believe the phony front others put on or believe and pass on to others the untruths told to them by others without a simple fact check. Unfking believeable!
@@jimslimm6090 It was not intended as political. I was providing context and facts to the info R27D gave. I'm happy to show my sources.
I don't know the pilot's experience here or whether he was the company's owner and the pilot.
I had a short stint at Flight Safety as a Citation Mustang instructor just before the economy crashed in 2009. Many of our clients were CEOs who were transitioning from light twins and single-engine turboprops.
We used an FAA-approved metric to assess whether the pilot would be allowed to even try for a single pilot-type certificate. Although many had the skill set to transition into a small jet from such backgrounds, we sometimes faced the situation part way through training where we had to tell the client/pilot they could no longer continue with the single-pilot type and have to go for a crew type.
This created its own set of challenges as these pilots had never acted as PIC of a crewed airplane and had to learn how to use a first officer.
From various accident reports in the years since it seems that there is possibly a disproportional amount of accidents in these small jets related to lack of experience dealing with this type of performance and operating environment.
I'd be interested to hear what others think about this issue.
That is an interesting point. We only have a Bonanza, and I only have my PPL, but my husband uses me as a pseudo first officer, especially during IFR flights.
That could be a significant factor given what I’ve gathered from news reports:
Police released the names of the four occupants of the plane who were dead at the scene.
Local news source stated pilot was among the deceased.
I looked up the names of the deceased in the FAA database. Only one of them has a private license with a type rating for this plane, and he’s not the one who was identified as the pilot - that person is in the database, but has no certifications
(Both the person named as the pilot and the person who is type rated were managers in the company that owned the plane)
@@scottwright8354 As an aspiring aviator with only a few helicopter hours under my belt, I can see how things get out of hand very quickly. I don't know if a co-pilot would have made a difference if the rumors of a malfunction are true. Some things just happen at the worst possible moment...Tragic for all involved.
What factors were used determine that someone was told they were unqualified for single pilot? Was it performance during training? I'm curious because during PPL training there is the understanding people will perform/progress at sometimes very different rates but nevertheless most will eventually succeed with enough perserverence.
I drive down Greenfield Rd every day right at that time. I must have missed this by about 3 minutes, I saw the fire up ahead and police and fire trucks were just rolling up so I turned around. What an awful accident.
Play the lotto tonight there Johnny.
Sure bro
Im sure that definitely is true
@@beenhog6922 why wouldn't it be. Many people travel those roads. They're pretty main streets Greenfield and McKellips.
Thank god your number wasn’t up for collection that day
I knew Juan would bring us this story. Juan is the pinnacle of good on TH-cam.
Sad day. Thanks for covering this tragedy. Thoughts and prayers for the families and friends
Please, if you can, pray for the Kimball family. This friend of mine lost his older brother to suicide not even a year ago. Today, he lost his dad and his younger brother. It is beyond devastating.
Incredible job by the Mesa pd and fire to secure the accident. The fire was put out swiftly and the roads were closed promptly. RIP to those who lost their lives.
There is a fire station on field.
Thumbs up for helping open the road as soon as possible
@@jeffreypierson2064 Yes, less than a 1/4 mile from the accident. The fire would have been much worse if the station wasn't so close.
When he mentioned the plane has the option to be equipped with voice & fight data recorders, i cant believe that in 2024 it's not mandatory for *all* new planes and some kind of retrofitting for active planes.
Digital storage is so small, and has massive capacity, someone could easily create a small protective housing unit for literally every kind of plane.
If someone out there says it's not practical or that kind of recordings are easily corrupted, my response is: better than nothing
Unlikely but the only other reason which I have seen in 35 years of charter flying in medium cabin size jets is a pending brake failure which is not seen or detected until the take off roll. I have personal knowledge of an aborted takeoff due to not being able to physically rotate the airplane at Vr even though you command it with aft pressure on the yoke. The nose of the airplane refused to lift due to counterclockwise resistance due to a failed brake assembly which was essentially actuating to brake the wheel assy. The take off roll was aborted with plenty of runway left, taxied off the runway, parked and then the fuse plugs blew and both tires went flat. So this is an example of an abort beyond V1 because the airplane would not fly. Just one possibility here.
Honda recall
Exactly! Heavy smoke can clearly be seen trailing the aircraft for several hundred yards before departing the runway any point after the smoke it was already over!
Acceleration check speed...
Could a pitot cover been left in place?
@@TimSears-b5xI was wondering the same thing.
Thank you for your continued coverage Juan
I'm reminded of the 2021 Houston incident in which a MD-87 had one of the elevators jammed by high winds. When the pilot went to rotate, the plane stayed firmly on the ground forcing them to abort in the high-speed regime and thus they rolled off the end of the runway.
A quick sweep of the controls right before takeoff might have revealed that control problem. So many things that can fail on aircraft.
*off the end of the runway.
@@kCI251mentor pilot did a video about the Houston flight a while back - on that particular aircraft, a control sweep wouldn't have revealed the locked elevator since the control tab was still free
@@y2kbugg123Juan did one too. It wasnt that it was impossible to discover the problem on the ground but that the high tail configuration makes it more difficult to spot because walkarounds are done from ground level . And it was not spotted.
Thank you. for this...never flew...but understand and respect the amount of focus required to pilot an aircraft.
Thanks Juan. I thought it was going to be another parking brake incident until you showed the speeds. Now I suspect that the aircraft had a mechanical issue preventing the aircraft from rotating. The pilot continued to accelerate well past his V speeds suggesting that he was late in realizing the aircraft couldn't fly. No comms also seem to point to surprise.
No comms doesn't seem like an issue since communicate is third on the list...
@@mylifeisdope916 True. But there was an aircraft on final cleared to land behind the departing HondaJet. In a typical rejected takeoff the pilot would notify the tower as soon as practicable.
It does seem there was an issue with going up, he was well past rotation speed. Go or no-go, he should have either been flying or slowing.
This is so confusing! Why? How? ATC tower was confused as well. EDIT: VAS brought us the incident, Juan answered many questions. Teamwork. God Bless the souls lost in this tragedy.
Tragic. And they were heading to my local airport. I can't even fathom why they needed to reject the takeoff.
Juan,
Thanks for your comprehensive detailed reporting and your applied experience in the accident analysis.
Larry
ATP 20K hours
20K hours... never stop learning.
After I heard about the accident I came to see Juan 's opinion about it. His videos are very professional and informative.
There's a fairly large berm before the road. You can see in the video that the plane hits that and becomes airborne very briefly.
Wow live on the other side if the airport. Had no clue to this until now. If this had been the opposite end of runway would be major traffic intersection. This happened very close to the museum thst still Flys several war birds. Major training airport at Falcon field, training all day every day, lots of traffic.
No thrust reversers and no ground spoilers is a bad combination. You are totally dependent on ABS and the split speedbrake at the tail. Judging from the smoke visible, it appears the brakes were locked. Hopefully the pilot survives to explain what occurred. I'm sure he's in bad shape. Tragic loss for the family and friends of those lost. Truly tragic.
Which would mean you’d really want to be sure the aircraft is ready to fly before applying power. Would it have elevator position indicators to show full deflection up and down as a preflight check with the yoke while taxiing, I wonder?
This is so sad. Thanks for the coverage. Imagine, killed by a plane on the ground of all things. What a crazy world.
Imagine if you were hit in your car by a plane, but survived. Telling your insurance agent about the crash...
@@Adui13 "what kind of Honda did you say it was again?"
Our Avation reporter at work thanks man.
Thank you very much for picking this accident up! This is not only a sad but so far also enigmatic event. It´s really the question why a pilot would do something like that. He must have known his speeds.
So sad, my condolences go out to the friends and families of all that perished. As always a great detailed report of the accident. Thanks Juan !
Hope the pilot makes it so he can relay information on what happened. Maybe help to save someone else’s life one day if there’s some sort of mechanical issue involved.
The Cessna aborting with traffic on final will cause a controller to hyper focus right into that situation. It’s obvious the controller thought the concerns the Cessna pilot was reporting were related to his own aircraft and he has to immediately react to now protecting his runway. This will cause ATC to focus on the arrival end of the runway not the departure end.
It’s easy with the context we have to know what the Cessna pilot was talking about right away, keep that in mind.
Great point
Yep. And often only 1 person in the tower. He's going to be paying attention to the NE. Nothing to indicate any issues outbound via radio until the Cessna makes his call.
@@beyondmiddleagedman7240 He had a ground controller, and a parallel runway controller. He was not alone. Falcon is busy during the day.
And he had another flight that was cleared for landing that he had to send around, which meant he also had to focus on making sure that plane maintained separation as well - and the priority has got to be making sure that the planes flying don’t crash into each other over anything that is happening on the ground
Another way of looking at the situation is why the aircraft was not flying at 133kts.
Either an _inexperienced pilot_ in task overload - or some _mechanical reason_ why the the plane could not rotate...
@ronaldglider Very unlikely task overload. To accelerate well beyond Vr, never rotating, then extremely late abort, can only be a pitch malfunction. ..actual failure or control lock. At 133 and accelerating, it could have flown with no flaps, one engine, etc. Went straight off the end, so it was otherwise under control.........pitch failure 100%. It's a control that you don't use until high speed and when it does nothing, it's very late to have a safe resolution.
The latest iteration of Hondajet does indeed include spoilers. The accident aircraft was a previous generation.
Great insight Juan. You took the words out of my mouth, as I’ve seen more than a few Citation accidents related to the parking brake. I think you mentioned a speed of 133 kts? Speed brakes remind of the F-86 and F-104.
Thank you Mr. Browne for another excellent analysis of an unfortunate event. RIP to those lost.
Juan, I am not typed but but a good friend is. The brakes on the Honda jet are terrible if they are the original generation brakes they’re no good and even the upgraded brakes are terrible. This is indeed a very sad event. Not sure why he would attempt a rejected take off with that amount of speed..
If you know the brakes are bad then it’s an even worse decision to expect them to save you because you didn’t want to do your job anymore.
I am not commenting on what happened here as it might not have been pilot error just a general comment. Too many people throw their hand in the air and give up instead of taking the responsibility for dealing with the situation that they should
The Honda brochure proclaims, "somewhere below you, there's a world full of speed limits". V1 is definitely one of them.
touche
If the plane is incapable of light then rejecting after v1 is the only option
@@misham6547we'll have to ask him if he makes it.
People died and you are making jokes. What an ass.
RIP to those lost.
Thank you Juan for your channel. I got a video from far away from my drone.
Mesa here
Damn what a horrific scenario, sorry for everyones loss. Couldn't imagine just driving alot and boom its over. RIP.
So sad. I watched the smoke plum billow up from 202 East bound yesterday. I instantly knew it was a crash.
My heart goes out to the families.
0:50 not too sure if that is smoke from locked wheel brakes. That might be where the aircraft starts to hit the sand as it goes off the hard surface.
We had a similar incident years ago on the opposite side of the Phoenix Valley with a runaway jet. The results were the same as the F-16 went off the hard surface, tore through the fence and crashed on the opposite side of the road. Luckily the nearby plane spotters didn't get hit.
During the dry season that sand can get stiff enough to support a moving aircraft.
I was driving down McKelliips Rd and saw the plume of smoke rise into the sky. When I got closer, I saw the airplane in a huge ball of fire. This was very sad to witness. Fire crews, ambulances, and police responded very quickly. Thank you to our Mesa Firefighters. God bless the souls of those lost.
I live not far from Falcon Field. I used to keep my Cessna 172 there. No jets used Falcon Field at that time. I now keep my aircraft at Chandler Municipal Airport. Now jets use Chandler Municipal as well as helicopters.
This situation does not make sense. The only thing I can think of would be a mechanical failure of the aircraft that made takeoff impossible. Surely the pilot knew he was going way too fast to reject the takeoff.
no lift? elevator stuck?
@@jamescollier3 I wonder if a proper pre flight was done?
What shocked me about this was the lack of awareness from the tower.
The controller had to get alerted to the crash by other aircraft! WOW!
If his head was in the radar and saw the plane reach V1, I can understand if he missed it the first time....
But then when the next pilot said rejecting, to not even look at the runway....
"Smoke" was said too many times before he went into action.
People need to back off the controller. He literally has nothing to do with the crash.
I feel like the crash of the jet was far more “shocking”
@@ZeroG_BanditThe aircraft wasn’t on the runway. The fire was outside of the airport parameter.
@Nemesisxnt
Hard to miss all that smoke.
People on the radio
in the pattern start saying “smoke”,
you better look around…
whether you’re flying in traffic
or directing it.
It’s going to effect everything and everyone really quick.
There’s a school that operates a fair amount of aircraft out of that field.
Falcon Field was the site of my first helicopter instructor pilot job in the Spring of 1982.
I wonder what went down? Thanks for the info
My dad told me about the news from other people when we're driving back home after a long day at work and we check it up ourselves and my god it really is a sad moment. My condolences to the family and friends who lost their loved ones.
Teterboro airport in NJ had a jet fail to stop after an abort. It went through the perimeter fence, acrossed a six lane hwy, luckily just damaging some cars then torpedoed a warehouse with just the tail sticking out. Teterboro has since installed traps at the end of the runways so as to slow or stop acft before they go off of arpt property.
Teterboro has lots of jet traffic. Falcon Field is mostly single-engine aircraft under 3000 pounds. A jet is unusual, so EMAS is not warranted.
That was off runway 6 I believe. Overrun runway 1 and you could hit the Exxon station on the corner, which has since been removed. The soft concrete pads are a good solution that work for heavy planes. The navy used nets on their straight deck carriers to stop jets, this might work at small airports as well.
@@jeffreypierson2064 Jeez, with 5k ft runway, a 172 you could do touch and goes and never have to climb into the pattern.
my observation is, it could not rotate for an unknown reason, it continue to accelerate for 7 seconds , and then the reject was initiated, great presentation . saludos Ibero
Where I worked, any problem after V1 was treated as an "in flight" problem. The last procedure l was taught, specified that on takeoff an initial reaction to a problem (engine failure etc.) must have taken before or just at V1. If a problem occurs AT V1, by the time the problem is realized and action taken, you will be beyond V1 and you will NOT be able to stop on the remaining runway. Problems at or near V1 have been the topic of discussion for many years. It can be a little complicated when crew reaction time and the "oh $hit, what happened" question is taken into account. An example is, ten of fifteen knots prior to V1 my hand would come off the throttles and we were considered to be flying at that point. Maybe this post was a little longer than it should have been LOL but I have always thought discussions about V1 very interesting.
My guess is that 6-7 seconds was the pilot frantically trying to figure out that the malfunction is. At that time, as you point out, you are effectively in the air.
Thank you Ron, really enjoy all your videos. As an armchair investigator, I'm getting much better.
Falcon Field history
The airport was used by the British RAF in WW2 to train pilots......good weather and no attacks.
Of course, the pilots would have to be retrained to fly in the constant rain when they returned to England.
Hell is not where you go when you die, it's where go when you survive.
Yeah. 😢 I would not want to be that surviving pilot...
V1 speed or decision is more like an action speed. At acceleration rates around 4 or 5 kts per second, if you make a decision at V1, by the time you act, you are already above.
I think the FAA/NTSB needs to do a really good job investigating this considering the aircraft involved, this one is a head scratcher to me at this point. Thanks for the prelim.
Excellent reporting Juan!! We're 3 miles from FFZ.
Excellent, was looking forward to your take on this tragedy.
Not disappointed.
FYI, the Elite II does have spoilers, but I believe this wasn't an Elite II. :(
When I saw the VAS video, I initially thought, "that seems like a short runway." (Sorry for the several rude comments you got on that video!). But then I did the math. That runway is nearly a mile long (I know, because I lived in Denver, the Mile High City, and in Leadville, Colorado at 10,200 ft.). There must have been something wrong with the jet. It wasn't a short field.
Hey Juan, would you please give an update on why the pilot rejected taking off when he’s recovered? Thanks.
This reminds me very much of the Hanscom Gulfstream IV crash back in 2014 though it doesn't sound like this jet has gust locks as you point out.
Thanks for your excellent analysis.
Juan - So sad, somethin' must have been amiss, observed late, we'd only know for sure if had been aboard, but thankfully, neither of us were. Hopefully Pilot can shed light, but won't change fact plenty of victims....RIP!
Juan. I rarely comment on the actions of my fellow controllers ( I’m retired ZAU/C90) but having listened to VASAviations channel I find this controllers actions horrible. And while it did not contribute to the cause of the accident it does display a case poor actions on the part of the controller
The controller did exactly what he needed to do - controlled the traffic.
He told the plane that had been cleared for landing to go around, he cancelled the takeoff clearance, and in the moment it took him to decide what he was going to do with the planes other planes in the immediate area, somebody had already stepped in and offered to call in the emergency
I was initially concerned about his response, but when I went back and listened again, I don’t think his actions were unreasonable
I had to watch this video again because I obviously wasn’t listening properly; I thought the aircraft had actually crashed into a vehicle on the runway (I also didn’t read the description either!).
Anyway it makes sense now so it will be interesting to see the NTSB investigation report as to why they rejected after V1.
In any case, very tragic for all affected.
Lesson to me: don’t try doing two things at once!
And thanks Blancolirio, for a great video as always.
The Honda Jet is runway hungry for its class. Not a fault - all designs are give some take some - but something you need to be aware of if you are operating it.
Always very sad. My sympathies to all the families members and friends of the victims. Hopefully we will find out more. We do not know much about the pilot. One thing I know, flying non pilot passengers can some times keep you away from your check list.
These Hondas seem pretty rare in 5 years of aircraft finance I've only seen one but that was a beauty
Probably because they're super expensive - the option sheet Juan showed indicates these are $5 million airplanes. At that price level you've also got to consider Daher TBMs and Pilatus PC-12s, either of which will do more for you than a HondaJet.
@@jmowreader9555The Honda Jet is considerably faster than either and can fly higher (over more weather).
@@igclappAre the HondaJets a safe craft?
@@weirdshibainu They seem to have an unusually high number of landing overrun accidents, but this apparerently is the first ever fatal accident in about 20 years of operation. Also, jet pilots have to be type rated, so arguably a Private pilot flying a jet is better trained than a Private pilot flying a SETP. But of course insurance dictates experience requirements and recurrent training to a large extent.
@igclapp Thanks for the info
Until you showed the page with the takeoff config warning, I assumed it was something along those lines...
Excellent professional report.
A very sad case study and once again, many thanks to Blancolirio for the crystal clear speculation free assessment of what is known so far.
just guessing. pilot didn't notice -something- until he tried to roll, then either struggled with the thing, or struggled mentally about what to do, or a combo, and the delay made it impossible to recover. you can fly one of these without rudder control, but maybe trying to figure that out at roll was beyond the circumstances. almost everything else has a built-in bells and whistles alarm. even fuel (failure to refuel). engine failure seems unlikely since it kept accelerating. even a medical issue doesn't seem possible since there was braking. sounds like we'll have a deeper debrief at some point.
Wow! …happen to live less than a mile the other direction of the airport. So sorry to hear. Condolences!🙏🙏🙏
reminds me of the crash at teterboro a while back where the weight and balance was too far forward and they could not rotate, ended up shooting off the end of the runway in a similar fashion
As always great job!! You’re savings pilots of all ages reminding us of the inherent dangers of flying.
Good balanced report of the known facts. Thank you.
Thanks for this video, I was hoping you would do this soon and you did. All this time watching your channel and many others on these accidents and this is the first time I"ve heard of a HondaJet. Thanks for explaining it's history.
Since the end of the runway seemed close to this highway, maybe EMAS should of been installed.
I was wondering about that. What would be the reason not to have something like this? Too dangerous? Too expensive?
@@strawpiglet It is a general aviation field. It mainly does training aircraft, under 3000 pounds. A jet is rare. The expense to benefit is low for this field.
I immediately thought it was probably forgotten flap settings but it sounds as if it has a somewhat fail-safe system for avoiding such a thing.
I know it going to be horrible for the pilot who will have to live with this for the rest of his life - my wife was at the controls of a train when she hit and killed a family that ran the crossing so I know the pain he will go through - On the bright side if you want to call it that we have a witness that can say what happened. As a retired pilot I know the procedure I would have used after 45 years in the air, BUT that just happens to be me. And I am sure he took every second he could to do what he could and I am looking at 20% pilot error, 70 percent plane and the rest as an unknown like a blown tire at which time and speed would be a crap shoot for the decision.
Thank you all for the reporting and job done. I don't fly anything fancy now but I always am looking for education and I hope other follow you for the same reason
My sympathies to your wife. People who run railroad crossings that are active are so incredibly foolish, and the train personnel have so few options when they're put into imminent crash situations. As for this accident, I wonder if they will find that excess weight was an issue.
@@davidg3944 Thank you David
A good friend of mine, who also lived in my neighborhood, was killed when the car in which she was a passenger was struck at a RR crossing. The report was that she, the driver, and another passenger were attempting to "beat the train". So, yes, I can imagine the pain your wife felt and probably still feels. I know what it's like on this side of the matter, too.
@@miketype1each Thank you
I’m familiar with Falcon field as my folks live due west of it and traffic is constantly flying over on approach/departure to stay under the flight path for Sky Harbor’s approach. It’s used by many GA aircraft on a daily basis as well as several warbirds. If you look to the end of the runway where the jet departed the field, you can see the parked warbirds including the B17 Sentimental Journey.
Not sure what happened to ATC, but it should be looked into before we all jump to conclusions.
as someone else pointed out in another comment:
"The Cessna aborting with traffic on final will cause a controller to hyper focus right into that situation. It’s obvious the controller thought the concerns the Cessna pilot was reporting were related to his own aircraft and he has to immediately react to now protecting his runway. This will cause ATC to focus on the arrival end of the runway not the departure end. " -Skunks-w0rks
there were also a few other planes in his airspace he was looking after.
Jeepers Juan Ive just seen this and clicked on it to watch .
You uploaded 10 mins ago and 3262 people have watched it!
Amazing reach your vids have.
Another superb watch sir.
Best from me way Down Under in Middle Earth!
9790 after 28 mins..
@@andrewdillon7837 Looking through the comments it looks like watching and paying attention are two different things.
@@Milkmans_Son what,,i watched it at 28 minutes,,about a 1000 a minute,,9780 see,,not the most popular channel i watch,,but..
@@andrewdillon7837 Not you. I'm talking about other comments.
My prayers go out to the all they families who were affected by this horrible accident.
Sad deal. Saw this early today. The pilot can explain in time. Thanks Juan
control lock?
Rejecting the TO at that speed meant that the A/C was ready to fly. So there would have been minimum weight on the wheels and minimum braking efficiency. I'd be curious as to the amount of time the pilot had or if the owner of the company was operating it.
Been a while since I retired from 121 operations, under 12.5K weight is a type rating required for a turbine A/C?
Yes
Thanks for the update, Juan. Take care, and fly safe.
Small or no consolation to the families of those lost, but hopefully the pilot is able to recover and give an explanation of why the takeoff was rejected.
The early Hondajets had delicate brakes; not a lot of stopping power
….and the wheels and brakes of a go-cart!!
Lots to look at. Non standard control lock, FOD in controls, FOD or covers over pitot system giving erroneous airspeed indications, lots of possibilities.
No elevator authority?
Gust Lock not disabled?
@@alfredomarquez9777 That's a hard one to miss on the Honda Jet, a giant red wrap around yoke. ADS-B data shows plane just would fly and pilot couldn't get airborne, but he's alive.
@@alfredomarquez9777oops, Juan answered that at 10:38.
@courtlandblake48 Yes... kind of automatic response from me. Have seen that happen quite a few times in the past.
Thank you for playing the music at the end of your videos enjoy that particular song or whatever it is. I like it please keep it up.!
Seems like he had plenty of speed. Possibly, parking brake? Flaps setting, or speed brakes improperly set? Who knows? Thank you Juan for the video. Our prayers to the families.
Normal acceleration rules out brakes. Annunciators make misconfiguration of aircraft unlikely.
Bad airspeed indication, maybe?
Good review. Regarding V1 as being the speed above which the aircraft is unable to stop during an abort, that's only true if it's balanced field length limited. A longer runway can give more margin, "unbalanced field."
Absolutely. You beat me to it.
RIP . Condolences to the families. Wish a speedy recovery to the injured
Thanks for posting
... I think this was the accident a friend's cousin was in. I saw her post about it a couple hours ago.