Is The Workplace Broken Beyond Repair? - Toxic Companies and The End Of Loyalty
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- Is The Workplace Broken Beyond Repair? - Toxic Companies and The End Of Loyalty. The workplace is sick, and I'm not sure it's going to get better. The days of working for one employer for your whole career are long gone. Toxic workplace issues are on the rise, with mass layoffs handled poorly. Which is calling into question job security and company loyalty. In this rant, I cover what I think we're seeing in modern workplace.
0:00 - intro
1:16 - at one time, there was genuine loyalty
4:08 - the assault on your retirement
5:25 - the assault on your healthcare
6:10 - the assault on job security
10:45 - real life examples of toxic employers
25:45 - the workplace is fractured
29:06 - getting support
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Employers want to remain cold and business-like while they expect their employees to be personally and emotionally invested. That is a text-book case of an abusive relationship.
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They can ask for that but I won't give it to them cause they don't give a crap about me.
They say you are family though
I mean damn even criminals at least tell you up front if its going to be cold or a warm workplace.
One time I got laid off, the manager doing the layoff was reading me the terms from his phone. It’s shocking how easily people will remove one’s source of income and livelihood from another human being.
HR is not there for the employees, its there to protect the company FROM the employees
And to push social agenda's.
HR is out for themselves. They've got the company snowed.
@@adrianalanbennettDefinitely this!
HR is risk management, work for legal counsel.
lol HR was nowhere to be seen when the CEO at a company I used to work for was held hostage at gunpoint by a disgruntled employee who managed to get a pistol past security...
Every time I hear about some company treating their employees "like family" or they say "we're a family", I reflexively think "Yeah, and nobody knows how to abuse you better than family."
🤣 couldn't agree more
HELLO!!
Like a cult " family"?
Family. Right.
😃
I've actually had employers demand my loyalty to which I respond, "If you want loyalty, get yourself a dog."
ut oh we got a bad ass over here
Unfortunately I do agree on the "Loyalty Of Things".. It's overrated on "Certain" things.. MY Loyalty goes as far as the other person (s)... If you ain't Giving It, Don't Expect It.. Although, I don't View (Jobs) as a Loyalty factor.. So good point on the Dog Theory.
Seriously, this sounds like feudalism. Capitaliam is so end stage, u can see aspects of the previous ecconomic system being thurst upon us. Were gonna have tonswear fealty to the CEO king soon
Dogs don't deserve the way companies act either
if they demand loyalty, i demand to have them show me in writing what are they doing to earn it.
The moment I realized everything my father told me "be loyal to your employer, always give two weeks notice, work hard for the company and they will reward you" was a lie was when he was laid off after 25 years at a company, told to pack his things and escorted out by security because the company wanted to get his salary off the books the day before the new fiscal season started. Corporations don't care about you.
It wasn't a "lie" when he started, things just changed. Between employees jumping ship at a whim for better offers and bean counters given increasing power, loyalty became a thing of the past.
@@bigtimepimpin666
That's sad, but unfortunately the way of the world for as long as history records.
People can signal virtue by talking and by doing charitable things for others to see, but at the end of it, all of those people are looking out for their own.
It's not something we can change in people because it's innate. Some are more brazen than others, some disguise it better than others, but everyone's trying to look out for themselves. And rightfully so. Most aren't out to put one over on others, just to get ahead. But occasionally some are blatant and mean.
So don't feel bad in knowing this; instead, use it to your advantage in negotiating. "Here's what I can do for you, and here's what I require from you in exchange." "And if you agree, let's get it in writing, sign the contract, and be subject to penalties if either party reneges."
That keeps everybody on the level while looking out for their own interests.
Cheers, and yeah, good you got out of that mess before it did you in!
25 years, and they send the goons to walk him out. One answer for that.
Pffffffffft!
@@elgringoec the point of this video is that employee loyalty has disappeared because employers don't provide any long term incentives. Actually in my experience, I've stayed at the same companies for years and never been given a significant raise unless I changed employers to get it.
@@curtissmoak69
It's because of the reasons I gave earlier.
People say you shouldn't burn bridges with a company but they have no problem burning and collapsing those bridges under you...
I was told you don't have to be friends with your boss you just have to do the job. It's about bills not friendships
@@carochan86 that rings a bell my new manager who started a year ago mentioned several times in our 1v1 meeting "I'm here for you, I can be your friend, mentor, etc." and I thought this is a dangerous slippery slope I can fall into because trusting him could lead to giving him ammunition. Since he's new to the company he has no stake in the company and little influence to improve my teams workload and support we need but rather he's in a position to fulfil his boss and upper management goals while advancing his own career than truly "be my friend who would look out for me..." My previous manager was with the company for almost 20 years and fought tooth and nail for my team and so I already knew the red flags to look out for when the new guy came in and I caught onto his motives as my team kept taking on additional support with lack of training or escalation paths for newer techs and gaslit us in a team meeting that its good for us. I already don't like the direction my employer IT department is going and I'm planning an exit strategy
Yep!
I say if you know you're not returning, burn away!
If you can swim, burn the bridge!!!
my entire team was called to meet with an executive - never a good thing. To lighten the mood she decided to move us all to sit in the ball pit. She laid off the entire team while we were sitting in the ball pit in the lobby. It was insanity.
@@el_t4931 no, at a major film studio in LA
My God, how insanely warped that must've felt like.
@@el_t4931 Right? WTF
My brain shorted out when I realized that you didn't say "a ball pit," but rather, THE ball pit.
The ball pit was a temporary installation to boost morale, it wasn’t always there.
The biggest problem in the workplace today is HR. They are definitely NOT an advocate for the employees and actually WANT To fire everyone except themselves.
I recently had a medical issue and had to take some time off. HR tried to (well they did initially) deny my FMLA claim. Stating the I was not eligible due to being salary. The hospital case worker had to literally yell at the head of HR that they were breaking the law, in order for me to get approved for it.
@maemccleary3283 careful. Now you have a target on your back. As that is the case, generally, with hr
@@nicholaswechsler9150 that’s why people need to document all HR interactions. In most states we can even audio record without their permission or knowledge.
HR is there for the company period, always has been always will be
hr was created to give c suite execs daughters jobs.
The reason this happens a lot is because typically people in upper leadership tend to be in the spectrum of psychopath or sociopath therefore does not have much empathy.
In the same category as narcisist.
Omg my coworker was talking so happily about meeting the CEO for the company we work for. Like no, girl please stop. I wanted to say, “it’s just a facade.” He literally makes his words sound so smooth. I think most people who are extremely charming, have these ASPD’s. Sorry to be generalizing, but I don’t trust people who speak too damn smoothly.
@@LLCoolJ_25 A wise man once told me: "charisma, is creepy".
nothave MUCH? lol. they just dont have the capacity to feel it. like other people dont actually exist in their minds. everything is just something to harm for pleasure to them
@@jimkoney4200 All of those with ASD are narcissists. Not all narcissists also have ASD.
I always cringe at my coworkers who always gab “you are my family!” No we’re not. You aren’t my family and I don’t want to be your family. We’re all here to use our knowledge and skills for a paycheck. That’s it.
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The family trope is a big ole red flag
These people don't have a life. Shit like this annoyies me so much
That "family" crap is always manipulation and exploitation. Nothing more.
say this loud for the people in the back that did not hear you bro ...👍
That's why I am every bit as ruthless dealing with companies. I take them for everything they re worth and the second something better comes along, I say "it's gonna take x, y, z to keep me. If not, Friday is my last day."
I’m guessing you do taxes?
@@prod.arcsyne2990 nope.
That's right!
Good man, you're gonna be rich in the future
Likewise, Good for you
Anytime I hear “we treat our workers like family” in a prospective job. I run. Biggest lie ever
Usually means they are especially toxic
Or they’re the type of family that abuses and takes advantage of each other.
That's a red flag actually.
It's not a lie ...the way some of my family treated me was worse than anyone else.
nowadays that means like a CRIME family, whereby you get offed when they see you as a liability of some kind. 😞
When my wife was 18 she worked as a server at a buffet. A 30 year old man started seating himself in my wife's section every night and slowly developed a para social stalking relationship with her. He would constantly ask her out, bring her gifts, and even wait in the parking lot after her shifts. This man's elderly mother would even come into the buffet to harass my wife into going out with her son. Over months my wife expressed to her bosses that she was scared and uncomfortable, but the management refused to kick him out because he was a regular. The stalking escalated to the point that the man recognized my wife's car and would wait for her to clock out at night. The final incident this man slashed the tires to my wife's car while she was working, luckily coworkers waited with her while she waited for a tow truck. The buffet fired my wife the next day because she couldn't find a ride to work. No such thing as loyalty.
You let your wife work at a shitty buffet for all this time? Bro the next dude ain’t gonna be some weird stalker with his mom, it’s gonna be Chad
That's horrible
Creepy...buy a gun
Sounds like a good place to get fired from. Sometimes being fired, laid off etc is just what we need.
@Amer1can 1nfidel 1. You're missing the point and 2. Tell that to someone living paycheck to paycheck.
I am a manager and was asked to let go one of my employees fighting stage 4 cancer. I slowed played that process until, goid bless her she passed from her disease, seriously wtf? Let's layoff a lady at the end of her life going through the battle of her life for well ...reasons...
I was told I put my career in jeopardy by my moves but I have no regrets.
Wow that’s utmost disgusting. If your subordinate best the cancer though she would of potentially had a good lawsuit
If they tell you that put your career in jeopardy, rest assured your career has ALWAYS been in jeopardy. Get Out Now.
You don't have a career, you have a job. Learn the difference.
I appreciate that humankindness you showed .
@@se2664 "cost of doing business"
I've worked as a corporate recruiter before and I'm gonna be honest: I literally always felt like a venus fly trap, just waiting for poor hopeful fools to sucker into the company. It felt very dirty, and I eventually quit and changed careers. These companies have absolutely zero regard for anybody's well-being.
Anymore, most recruiters don't even read your qualifications. I don't know how many times I've been contacted for jobs that don't even remotely match my experiences or education. It's a numbers game to them. "Contact X suckers today and go home." I had a recruiter team me up with a toxic employer about 10 years ago. Never again.
It’s even worse than you described. Not only did companies pull the benefits and increase layoffs, they also lobby state and federal congressional representatives to weaken or kill any bills that lean towards labor. It’s like an abusive relationship where the abuser is paying off the cops and the city council.
What does city council have to do with domestic abuse? Lol. Local judge would've made more sense
Worse part is its happening all over world. I am from India and everything on this channel is thoroughly relatable. Indian companies are even worse, they make employyee sign contract and work like dog and then send them to jail and extract money.
30 years ago I was labeled as "flakey" because I refused to be loyal to any employer that treated me like a commodity. No pensions were available then. I've always only been offered a 401K. My attitude was why be loyal to a company with a 401K. My peers called me stupid. I was more loyal to my family. Zero regrets. I guess now I don't look so stupid.
based and hoppilled
fuck these corporate nerds lol
A mindset these people forget. They get bent/exploited and bear it with a smile like idiots
@@branm5459 aka; typical modern day office-place NPC behavior
You are lucky to have a 401(k). I worked for several law firms, as an attorney. Most offered no retirement plan and no health insurance.
@@branm5459 yep. Lot’s of 🤖’s. It’s why they are enabled to do it.
As a bartender i often hear older guests talk about their pension, social security, and fully paid for home and i just sigh knowing ill be lucky if i even have a home
similar thoughts run my mind @FlutterSwag you are not alone, but dont worry, aslongas we are working, we will make it. 💚
You buy a home thinking you’re doing something for your children. I worked in insurance. Let me tell you - some adult children are QUICK to sell off deceased parents assets.
@@Kiyonce.KartierI've heard coworkers say they're worth more to their family dead than alive, I get it now 😒
@@Kiyonce.Kartier that is not necessarily a bad thing. My wife and I decided to buy our house as an insurance policy for our kids. Crap happens and you never know what life will throw at you. We bought it so that if anything ever happens they can sell it to help with whatever they need.
Stop wasting your time bartending. Get skills and get a job that pays better. I used bartend as a side job, not my primary job.
I was hit with by a 325 workforce reduction in 2019. One woman, who was losing her job that morning, was delayed in getting to the office because she was finding out she was being diagnosed with cancer was blocked at the front desk when she tried to swipe her badge when she got to the office after her drs appt. She was getting “access denied” when she was trying to swipe her badge to get to her desk!
Disgusting
My family has been self-employed since as far back as we can remember. We're all builders, plumbers and electricians nowadays. Yes, we worked for a bunch of companies related to our trade but we've always done it independently. So we've never had this whole concept of company loyalty and in fact, we've always encouraged self employment whenever we can because we've found happier lives even if we've never been made richer.
You can still work for companies, but you have to have the right mindset. A mindset of a mercenary (similar to being self-employed).
1. Always be applying and networking. You never know when the next great opportunity will come by. Try to put yourself in the right place and right time for it.
2. Always be prepared to walk away. I know this might sound counterintuitive, but if a workplace is toxic and affecting your personal life (god forbid your health), always be prepared to give notice (or no notice in some cases), and just quit. Sure, you can try fighting for your job, play the game with HR, complain to your manager’s manager. But is it really worth it for a job that is sucking all of the energy out of you?
3. Always be prepared for your next paycheck, being your last. This means having 6 months of living expenses saved up. I know it is hard to get there. But if you have to live on rice and beans to get there, when you do, your mental health will thank you.
"You dont want them to think youre a job-hopper" but companies are employee-hoppers.
"Give them a two week notice, its more professional" but companies do layoffs overnight.
"Work harder for your job" companies are willing to overwork you and underpay you
This right here.
They’ll bitch about lazy and shitty workers (won’t deny that there are plenty of them) but they’ll also weed out the actual hard workers by working them to the bone and not reward any of it meaningfully.
I hate that. “Job hopper” or “I can’t get seniority to not get laid off because I keep getting laid off”
That and the boomers who refuse to retire and pulled the ladder up behind them.
To be fair here, the "companies don't have to give you two weeks..." is a terrible comparison.
Unless you'll tell me that if you were told "hey, you'll be fired in two weeks.', you would react perfectly happily, and do your job to the fullest, and be just as well behaved.
No. You'd, at best, be lazy as hell. At worst, you'd start stealing and being a menace.
It's shit, but there's not much that can be done.
I have a whole drawer full of employee t-shirts that say we're a family. Now I run from any company that tries to tell me "we're a family" here.
But they are family. A mafia family. Getting whacked / laid-off is just family business
That's such a real sign of a crappy employer.
Last time I was told "we're a family" I asked, "A family like Leave It To Beaver, or a family like Married With Children?"
The manager responded with "Leave It to Beaver" but the tech guy who asked me questions mouthed "Married With Children"
Hhahahaha too funny this reminds me, I got laid off along with my colleagues some years ago, wasn’t a big deal for me because I found a new job in no time at all. We were given a choice to stay on 2 to 3 months while looking for a job because we were on work visa then. During the course of that 2-3 month transition, the staff including those who were laid off were given a shirt that says “I work at (name of the company)” in front, and “You don’t” at the back. Whoever came up with that idea. LOL do they really expect the laid off employees to wear that shirt. Too funny.
@@MsSemkiindeed the last family fired me. I’ve applied to 40 other families.
I’ve been thru several cruel, sneaky & vindictive layoffs but the most humane one was a retail giant’s headquarters in the early 2000s. They gave everyone 3 months notice and had experts come on site for resume and interviewing prep, as well as onsite interviews from other companies. If you didn’t have a job by the end of the 3 months, it was only bc you didn’t want one.
See, that's how it needs to be done, especially if you want loyal employees. You may want to name them.
@@budgetcoinhunter That was the glorious past so there's no point. I was also in a "humane" lay off in the early 2000s.
I'm gonna make the likes on this comment 69 because this is nice. 😎
I had the same experience at a tech company.
Had a similar experience when Whole Foods was acquired by Amazon. They were actually really good to us during the whole process, at least by comparison to some of the comments I'm seeing
The end of loyalty isn't a bug. It's a feature. On both sides.
None of us are soldiers for king and country. We are mercenaries for coin. Never forget this, and never let anyone you work for forget it.
I have a pension. Typical corporate crap… at 27 years the harassment begins and for the first time your performance is questioned. Then at 29 years, you end up in the Mayo Clinic for 6 weeks only to return to work to be coerced into an early retirement at 50% of the return you worked your entire career for. That’s why young people aren’t being tricked by these employers, they’ve seen what happened to their parents and grandparents.
I find it comical that businesses expect employees to give them 2 weeks notice to quit, but give employees no notice when it's time to let them go.
When you give 2 weeks notice, most will show you the door before those 2 weeks are up, so I don't give any notice anymore to anybody if I decide to leave..........
That's an American problem.
At will employment = no notice.
@@SSchithFoo You are right it is an American problem. We are the only Freehold people on Earth. The rest of you belong to the country you live in you are nothing more than property. We on the other hand are not property but we also don't own all of the land the United States sits on we do pay land rent to other countries for some of it, including the original 13 colonies. So yeah there shouldn't be the kind of loyalty there should be in say England or Germany or Japan, we are neither culturally nor legally like them, nor should we be.
@@SSchithFoo It's a capitalist problem. Uk isn't much better. Canada isn't much better. Very few places are any better and even they still have capitalism.
Some years ago I was working for a big box store. The store manager was talking about how "we are like family" at the end of his speech. I joked and said "Yeah, the Adams Family". Most broke out laughing right in front of the store manager. He didn't look too impressed.
At least the Adam’s family husband and wife love each other dearly 😭 company doesn’t love
My position was just eliminated and I was let go after nearly 14 years, my best performance review, and no performance review below exceeding expectations. While I don't expect loyalty from companies, I would have thought being a high performer would have kept me around. Nope. Cool story.
I found out that corporate loyalty was dead 20 years ago when I was new to the job market. It’s obviously a lot worse now, but I was given the advice by my parents, and their generation of finding a big company to grow with, and in my experience, I found that just wasn’t possible. It’s no wonder people say no one wants to work anymore. What’s true is that no one wants to work for these kinds of companies.
We want to work, but we want to be viewed as people. Failing that, we would like basic human decencies like working A/C, a wage that competes with inflation, and maybe the ability to afford a house and settle down to have children.
And then people wonder why my generation isn't having kids. You (not you, but the big wigs, the politicians) sold our futures and our souls long ago to line your own pockets. And when you pass from this world, it is we who will be left to mend the broken pieces with the training that we were never given, the life lessons that we were never taught.
@@krel7160 funny thing about that....eliminate the central bank and return the gold backed currency and inflation goes away. Look at history and inflation wasn't a thing until the CB was founded and took over the money supply. Government was always meant to fund itself purely on tariffs and donations, nothing more. Too many people are unaware of what the central bank really is...hint, they're treated like a foreign embassy for a reason, which is why they can not be audited. The previous administration took steps to begin dismantling that nonsense, but the current one is hellbent on restoring it.
Discovered the same.
@@krel7160 To top it all off, the baby boomers sold and spent their accumulated wealth instead of passing it to their children like people used to do just so mom and dad could live the high life in their sunset years.
Just take your soma meds and get to work goy.
I worked at a sales call center for a major US computer company you have 100% heard of. They had a "pajama day," one of those morale boosting stupid things when they could just PAY PEOPLE BETTER, but anyway. We all arrive at work in our pajamas expecting a silly time with coworkers only to find news vans in the driveway and news cameras capturing us badging in the door in these outfits. Then we were directed to the all-site meeting where we were handed our separation packets. I don't know what sadistic person planned this, but it was absolutely humiliating.
Surprised they didn't tell you to bring Vaseline.
One lesson to be learned here: don't participate in the corporate cringe.
@Ellis Harris, Omg, that's a new level of low!! Please share the name of the company, they need to be doxxed!!
Wow. That is incredible. What an awful experience.
WTF
A few roles ago I got sick and almost died. Was in the ICU. When I got out I was “randomly selected” for a layoff. My current role I work as a senior manager between first and second shift. I treated my groups like family which was unique in my company. I got in and a couple people from my group come up in tears and asked why I didn’t tell them. I was confused, and asked what they were talking about. 80% of my people were let go and I was never told. They knew before I did.
Worked at Dominos for a year. The amount of loyalty and loss of time they demanded wasn’t worth the pay. They also were extremely disrespectful towards anyone that didn’t say yes to everything. Want me to be loyal? Do two things: pay me well, and be ethical to me.
I am as loyal to my employer as my paycheck will buy.
When I talked to my manager about being a loyal employee of 10+ years he laughed at me and said "Loyalty doesn't mean anything. Maybe it did in the 1950s but not anymore. If the company isn't getting what they want from you, they will fire you. If you aren't getting what you want from the company, you should quit". I didn't stay much longer.
I asked same in bank as customer and they said same thing, that history doesnt matter (coz these banks are stock quarterly companies these days).
Sadly, he's right.
Might not be what you wanted to hear but the honesty was what you needed.
At least he was honest.
Wise man
Loyalty should only be to you and your family. Never be loyal to any company or organization.
But at work we're a family /s
@@MichaelJohnson2 lol that's the biggest gaslighting BS I come to work for paycheck not to be apart of them
I disagree. Would it be nice to be compensated well so that you can take care of your family not have to work overtime so you can spend time with your family and enjoy the perks of being a satisfied and happy employee in long-term employment with an employer. If you as an employee are loyal to your family, and absolutely no one else then our society morals have fallen into decay. There was a time just like this TH-camr said where company loyalty was well paid. It did not pay to jump from job to job. That no longer exist and that is sad.
I'm tempted to make a joke about the mafia, but I won't!
Honestly, I learned this lesson the hard way. It astounds me how little regard the company has for not just its employees, but its own long-term success. When a software company cuts developers, they are all too often losing the experts in the very systems that run their business. Later, they pay consultants a lot more money to spend a lot more time fixing issues that wouldn't take the original programmer long to fix
Unless you're the CEO
Anytime an employer has told me “we’re like a family” I’m automatically repulsed by that statement because I don’t have the best relationship with my family and its usually proven to be true that this company is going to be toxic workplace.
I have yet to encounter a "we're like a family" workplace that was not absolutely bonkers or completely ruthless. The last one--many years ago now--was actually a family in which the two brothers eventually expelled their father, the original owner, out of the business to take over and, as a result, drove the previously profitable business into the ground because neither of them was a businessman nor a salesman. That is what their father got for for being kind enough to offer his sons jobs when they could not make it on their own and in their own respective careers. If that is how they treated their own family, then just imagine how they treated their employees, including me.
I was told that by my last boss several times in my interview. Guess what? It was very toxic.
@@ydad8946 Sounds like his sons bought most of the stock and it was a publicly-traded company.
I learned not to be loyal to my employer after MANY jobs I've had where the boss tells me, "I like you too much in your current position." or "You're too good at what you do to waste your skill by promoting you." or "You would hold those under you to your level and that would cause problems."
Basically saying "we want you to take complete advantage of you by not paying you for what you are worth"!
Sounds like all of these responses require reminding them that there is no such option and you can either promote and give a raise or you'll be applying to businesses that need such a position
@@luckerooni1153 They were made aware of it when I found a new job.
Basically if they don't want to promote you, they will find any excuse not to. If they want to promote you, they will find any excuse to promote you.
I love that employers couldn't fathom why during the great resignation, employees no longer wanted to go back to the broken relationship that existed previously.
This was an eye opener for me. Now, as much as I might like my job, I understand it for what it is. It's just a job. My loyalty is to myself, and my family. Companies almost always put themselves first. Now, I do too.
Well said, they’ll smile right in your face as they replace you with someone cheaper.
I'm glad you've realized this. Too many people haven't realized that downsizing over the past 20+ years should be a sign that companies don't care about their employees.
It's funny how so many employers were shocked that people refused to return to work after being told they were "not essential".
The eye opener for me was all the essential worker nonsense.
I knew several people at the time whose job was " essential to the economy" and yet their pay didn't budge.
I guess that is when I realized that those people are essential to them getting their mansions.
"It's not personal; It's just business." No reason for you to treat it any differently. Your employer is not your family. They just pay you a salary to do a job. That's it. When you find a better opportunity, feel free to take it if they won't match it. It's not emotional. It's just business.
When a company says, "We're a family here," that's a euphemism for RUN far away. Let's see how much you're part of the "family" when the company has a bad quarter.
If I hear “we’re really like a family here” one more time, I’m going to throw up.
"We're a family here." Watch "The Sopranos" to see what kind of family they mean.
Dude, I have similar experiences at my current job. The people running the show love to Grand stand and appear competent, then when shown their lack of competencies they try to avoid or hand wave the issue.
Our office response plan to an active assailant is for the safety guy to play telephone while everyone just tries to fend for themselves. No early warning alarm, no support for arming employees, nothing.
Corporate Ohana means Family, Family means you lay down your life and happiness for the good of the organization.
When they say "we are a family" they are probably acting like a sect.
My dad works as a sales director. Not so long ago, a company pleaded with him to work for them, and promised better pay and all that. So he accepts and quits his current job. Next month they fire him to cut costs.
Also side note, I survived 7 layoffs at my old company. When it finally happened to me it woke a lot of people up to the situation. There is no saving you when the high performer is cut.
My boss last year had that exact same thing about being laid off while on bereavement leave. Her father had just passed, and they decided to lay her off while she was AT THE FUNERAL. It was disgusting how they handled it.
I was fired from a company under similar circumstances, had to go out of town for a funeral. I absolutely lost it on the HR person that called...
She pretty much insinuated that if I had only taken two days off instead of three, I wouldn't have been fired, that it was my fault and as a result I had no recourse.
@@ronsmith4325 capitalism at it's prime
@@ronsmith4325 that makes absolutely no sense. If that were really the case, it would seem they would just say you’re only approved for x number of days. Sounds more like it was an excuse for whatever the real reason might have been . Either way, that sucks:/
@@ronsmith4325 HR is there not for the employee, but for the employer.
First time I ever got laid off was via an E-mail while I was at my grandmother's funeral. After the service I saw it and just started laughing, people thought I lost my mind... Sometimes you get fucked in such a way... you just have to laugh...
If going to an interview and somehow an interviewer mentioned company loyalty I always responded with essentially "I am as loyal to the company as the company is loyal to me." You could usually see a stifled reaction in them.
👏👏👏Well put!
I started using "my loyalty is equal to how much i get paid" lost a couple of jobs due to that but i know they would have used me up and fired me when things got rough.
What was the reaction that was stifled?
Loyalty is always a two-way street. No one should expect loyalty without first giving it. Companies want it going in one direction only. Doesn't work that way.
Every company these days makes you sign an At-Will Termination Clause. Enough said.
Most employers don't realize loyalty is a 2 way street. They think the employee must be loyal to them, but never show any loyalty to the employee in return. They also demand respect, but offer no respect or dignity in return.
There should be a bill of rights given to employees when terminated. I got let go, 2 years before I was going to retire. I started at the bottom, no college, taught myself computers and worked up to the top. Volunteered when they needed help. Never missed a day or was ever late.The job was filled by 2 college graduates. When I heard I could sue for age discrimination, a lawyer told me, my time had run out. I only had 180 days to sue. I had no clue, I could have sued.
Layoffs? I had to quit 3 times in one year! The depraved level of actual malignant narcistic folks in middle management without a soul is seriously surreal these days. I've never seen such awful behavior in humans in my 30 years of working.
And I thought I'm alone with this. Thanks for sharing and all the best to you!
I’ve worked 30 jobs in my life since 18. Most places I worked at were pure evil.
@@internetmaryann Same here! I only have had one empathetic boss! It’s sad
@@internetmaryann You are not alone. It's comforting to know we're not alone in this, and it's happening to other people as well. These companies have no respect or loyalty to anyone.
Yep, actual psychotic behavior, bullying, and deliberate sabotage. It's so brutal. 20-year work veteran, never seen such behavior before, I can't understand it.
We need a website that flat out tracks bad behavior of companies. Make it publicly available.
And have some lawyers ready.
I think there is one called ratemyboss or something
Isn’t there a site already, Glassdoor?
@@kenyoung4881no, you can easily pay to have stuff removed from there.
@@kenyoung4881 I believe companies can "sanitize" (bribe) glassdoor to remove negative reviews.
@@kenyoung4881 I don't trust companies, I imagine they could remove particular reveals if paid enough. It'd have to be something entirely nonprofit and sadly even the nonprofit organizations actually need financing. So...
I was raised by bomber era parents that instilled corporate loyalty in me and i was very confused coming out of college and into the labor market when i was getting completely used by companies for $12 an hour (2018ish). Luckily my bf, now husband, was there when i called him crying at 1030 pm starting unloading material at the office when i had to be back there at 430am and my boss wouldn't sub me with another tech for my first job. He said, "quit. I'll hold us over until you get a new job". we had a long talk the next evening about how corporate loyalty is dead and how job hopping is the best way to increase your wage unless you find that 1 in 1 million company that still values it's employees. Spent the next few years increasing my wage from $12 an hour to $23 an hour and i actually found a company with a company vehicle, 100% covered healthcare, and decent sick/vacation time. I'm planning on staying forever unless something changes.
I guess the TLDR is, old fashioned companies do still exist but are so rare that you can't depend on it. Job hop and remember that your quality of life is the most important thing you need to keep in balance.
It just baffles me that people complain of 12$ AN HOUR, when in my country you are lucky to make that a DAY, but good for u
@@cinnamonpanda6040 you do know that there is infalation now right? You can’t make a living on 12 dollars an hour or lower thanks to what our president does now
@@cinnamonpanda6040 the cost of living is the main reason. it's pretty high in the US and also in canada.
those companies do exist, until they get merged and new controllers start doing b.s. after 18 months grace.
Yuppp. 1BR apartments where I live are on average $1200/mo.
$12/hr. 12/hr is taxed at 26% so that $25000 is really $18500 -- that is, until social security and Medicaid are taken out. JUST RENT ALONE will leave you with 350/month from which you'd have to pay insurance premiums (guaranteed more than 200/mo), food, transportation, utilities.
In other words, where I live you would be homeless on $12/hr.
I am a hard worker and over extended myself. I worked on average 10 to 12 hours a day and do to life situations I had to work another 4-6 hours a night for a couple years straight. It mentally affected me to where I had trouble reading things and my memory still hasn't fully recovered. I was with my company for 5 years at that point. During covid I was an essential worker so while everyone else was locked at home I was still slaving away. I made some mistakes and got fired I admit that I read a name of some people and delivered the supplies to the wrong location. What I feel is unfair is they labeled it as malicious and I did it with intent to damage the company. I lost my job got a bad label on my resume and got no covid benefits. Also thanks to the pandemic I had to survive the next six months with no job luckily I am financially responsible but it wasn't easy. Thanks previous employer I will never work for another company again, I am happily self employed now.
Burn out will do that to you. Your mind can become fatigued. It's a shame they weren't understanding. I'm sure managers have made PLENTY of mistakes during their life.
When I first saw the movie "Office Space" with Ron Livingston way back in high school, I was working only my part time job. Now 23 years later and worked at 5 different companies, I can't believe a comedy about work is actually that spot-on accurate.
It has held up well. I buy a red slingline stapler at every office now
I watch Office Space every few years just like the safety, harassment, drugs in the work place, ect. videos that my employer roles out. Office Space is the training video for crap I will not put up with in the workplace.
This is exactly why comedy is so integral to our society. They bash corporations in such a deeply honest and real way that forces you to watch. The modern progressives and bernie sanders of the world could never hope to capture that with such nuance.
yeah…
I kind of don't understand why people didn't see this as reality in the first place 😕
It took me 17 years to realise there is no loyalty in companies anymore especially in health and social care settings
Isn't that the most ironic part?
@@bryangeorge3138 I agree, when I say it took me that long I was made redundant/laid off last year and found out my role has been replaced even though the company said no-one else would be hired
I'm on yr 14 . I probably know by year 9 that everyone is replaceable. We are all just another number. I still am struggling to move on job hunting .
I never stuck around for anyone when I work in the healthcare field.
@@carochan86 that took you 9ears to learn? The world will move on, it always has
I've had several interviews with companies that weren't actually hiring. It became so clear during the interviews. The red flag I saw ahead of time is when I save the links to all the applications I submit so I can go back and review the job listing before an interview, and several times now I've noticed the original LinkedIn job listing will have the "no longer taking applications" status before I've interviewed. And then, a couple weeks later I'll see a new job posting for the same position. What bs.
I recall an anecdote, when a company wanted to find out why their company was so sucessful, it turned out it was not good management or good strategy but because the workers where going above and beyond their job description to get things done.
Why would a worker do this? Maybe because the company treated the worker well and earned the workers loyalty?
Remember: when something bad happens to the CEO and the executives, laugh, smile and applause.
Yep!!!😂😂😂
After getting laid off twice in the 2010s, I focused all my efforts into landing a government job. Everyone said I was dumb or short changing myself because my talents would go for more in the private sector, but sometimes the dollar amount doesn't matter as much as the ability to ensure I always have food on the table for my kids.
Exactly. I work at one of the few companies that at least seems to try to be decent to their emplyees. Rigorous standards for firing, maternity and paternity leave, 4 weeks vacation from day 1, ample sick leave. All things that when listed out really should be the bare minimum but these days are "benefits". Anyways, I have gotten offers to interview for jobs claiming to offer a lot more than what I'm paid but frankly, i have no desire to go work somewhere that statistically will treat me horribly wjen I have a comfortable job at somewhere that treats me like a human and not just a resource to be exploited.
What type of government work? I'm about to achieve an associates and am interested in a career in the public sector and in my area you don't find that often as networking is the only way in to some.
I'm nearly there. It's such a shame my gov't forces me to make such absurd lifestyle changes in order to qualify.
In the 80s my father could pull strings to get me in the post office. I said I never want to work for the government. I regret it every day
Same! Just keeping my fingers crossed that things don't change over here 😩
I was a manager for GameStop for about a year. I had a new hire claim sexual harassment just to get my job, and they fired me no questions asked no evidence and nothing I did to try to appeal the decision worked.
Yeah that sounds like Gamestop.
@@drew8235 it was awful. I took great pride in my job and worked really hard and went way out of my way for both the company, and every customer that walked thru the door. It seriously destroyed my entire livelihood and spirit. The only consolation I had was that I was very close with the other employees, and about three weeks later, one of them sent me some screenshots of the sales figures to show me that every single sales metric was significantly lower, and the overall profit projections were down 42% since my departure. Prior to that we were on an upward trend, so it's good to know that firing one of their best employees hurt their bottom line.
My mother worked for the city as a 911 operator, and after getting fired from that job (not a layoff as far as I can remember, but her a lot of her coworkers suspected some kind of foul play), managed to get a job working for section 8 housing through her connections at the operator department.
This is a long way to say that she DID in fact have a pension. She was thinking of retiring early because of her declining health, and that pension would have been a huge relief on her if she had been able to make that choice. Unfortunately while she was still considering this, she ended up catching COVID and dying the the hospital a few days later.
However that pension helped my family pick ourselves up after her untimely death, I'm the oldest of 5 children and we're all still very young (I was 25 when she died and my youngest sibling was 15). It was extremely helpful and I'm very sad and disappointed that something like that isn't an option for a lot of people any more.
Yeah, I had my last job for almost five years. It was one of those small business "we're a family" deals. My dad unexpectedly passed in July, and they told me to take as much time off as I needed. I had plenty of PTO saved up anyway. After a week, they said I had better be there on Monday. Two weeks later, and it was "transitioning to my no longer working there because my performance had declined." I had just been working 60 hour weeks in May and June, and getting all kinds of "good job" pats on the back. I was way more upset about my dad dying and my girlfriend abandoning me to even care about losing the job at that point. I just felt so empty, alone, and hopeless. Sorry for the long comment.
It's like we are mercenaries in the workplace jungle of Vietnam where only body count matters or profits 📈 What is right or wrong doesn't matter anymore
I am so sorry for your loss. If this kind of thing happens again make sure to file for FMLA. They cannot legally terminate you on FMLA leave. If they try contact the federal labor relations board
We need to make it a norm to name and shame these companies. A wall of shame, where the businesses hiring and firings practices and history are easily available to anyone with an Internet connection. Everyone should know if the company they are using are acting like psychopaths towards the people who actually do the work.
You're describing my current "we're a family" firm. I'm already bracing for the inevitable. I'm not going to sacrifice my time for something that's not worthy of it
@@detrik01 spot on. Do not work free overtime either. They get used to it and it becomes your “normal”. I worked at one place where I was doing two jobs. They gave me meets ratings for three years. When I left they had to hire two people to replace me
I think one of the reasons why this is a thing is that Human Resources is even a thing. It's right there in the name. The company doesn't view their employees as people anymore just as resources like raw materials for manufacturing, equipment, and cash.
We don't own them, but we are the means, never the end, anymore :(
Huminerals
Google calls it "People Operations" but the name change doesn't do anything. HR is great to have when it actually functions for employees. Try working somewhere without one. 😵💫
Folks now is NOT the time to get PREGNANT or start a family. We are entering the Greatest Depression as the everything bubble which is the biggest in history is in ongoing collapse after 14 years of "money printing" ending with money supply tightening needed due to hyperinflation about to start in all countries.
@@paddycakee5708 That was Chinese workers are saying.
Hospitals fire people right before Christmas. A time when most companies are not hiring.
I was part of a company that passed from ‘we care about the community’ to ‘well say we do but corporate is normal and required so pretend you care, give 110% and we will treat you like disposable garbage because that’s just normal, sensible business’
A middle-manager was hired for the express purpose of lying to new hires and pretending we, as an organisation, gave a shit about people and helping them, while the seniors make choices that prove we don’t.
The worst part of all of this is that these disgraceful pieces of crap get upset when you work multiple jobs. Yet they fire you with no remorse and no warning. They take pleasure with and enjoy watching people despair as they perform these layoffs. The list job I ever had I was fired and rat that calls himself the business owner was upset that I smiled and walked out the door. He told the rest of his employees he was hoping I would beg for my job and take a pay cut. All his employees left.
I don't think that is accurate. I don't think these people are malicious. They just don't care. That is different than being happy someone else is hurting.
Apathy is horrible, don't get me wrong. But it is different than antipathy
@@rfjohnson69 ^^ not caring can be destructive but it's not malicious
@@debeb5148 Strongly disagree. Malicious behaviro implies malice. Malice is defined as 'the intention or desire to do evil; ill will.'
Most people don't care about you enough to have a desire to do evil. The person describe by the OP above is an asshole, sure. He definitely qualifies. But MOST people just don't care enough to rise to the level of being malicious. Your well being and health is just not important. Is that awful, 100%. But for most people, employees are just people they employ. They feel not responsibility to them nor do they feel any antipathy.
Always work 2 or 3 full time jobs so if they try to have the power over you you can have the power
@@rfjohnson69 If the boss really said that in this case then it's pretty obvious it's malicious.
I was always told that you need to give employers 2 week notices but every time I gave them the notice, they just fired me on the spot. Companies want loyalty but they don’t want to show it once so ever. I will not now or ever again give a company 2 week notice. If I find a new job, my start date is my quitting date for Amy previous company. It’s ridiculous how these companies bash you for not being professional yet try to get away with practices that sometimes can be illegal.
Yup, two weeks notice is corporate BS. Companies can fire you at a moment's notice, I can quit at at a moment's notice.
Just remember it is employment at will.Corporations will you gone immediately when they desire..I used to give 2 weeks notice in my younger work years...now I give NO notice. If the work environment has become so toxic I cant get my work done and upper management left that happen you do not deserve 2 weeks notice. Sorry Charlie...lol!!
I live in a country with better labor laws so that cannot happen here and we get a month's notice from either side. That said, my plan going forward is even to start the next job, call in sick on the current job and see how the new one is looking before fully committing to leaving the "bird in hand".
Make no mistake, if they remove you from the role the day you give your two weeks, regardless of the State ("at-will employment"), they must pay you out those two weeks. its the law, but most people dont know that, nor pursue that with them.
Same thing happened to me, my boss was so mad they could barely control themselves. And they don’t want someone at the workplace reminding others that there are other opportunities out there, or that anyone doesn’t desperately need to work there.
i got fired from an amazon delivery company for cracking a wind-shield after losing 60 pounds from starvation (partially self inflicted. had a lot of debt to chew through)
I worked for a company for 9 years until 2020. In March 2020 I was coming off 3 months of overtime while raises were canceled the week that covid hit. Salary took another 20% hit during covid. Now almost a 25,000 loss. I was suffering mental decline and full on burnout. My vacations were canceled and I was struggling with work from home all summer. I was laid off in the fall, just prior to my birthday. A year and a half later, the same company was begging me to come back. I negotiated a massive raise and made clear work life boundaries. Gone are the days of weekend work, free IT work and software management. I'm just here to get paid now
I'm glad I found your channel. I have a pretty messed up firing story that I wanted to share.
I had a friend who used to work at a hospital as a surgical cleaning tech. He made good money and loved his workplace. Then, one day, he got lung cancer and was hospitalized at the same hospital he worked at. Since we laying his bed DYING and couldn't work anymore, they fired him, causing him to lose his benefits. He blantanly said out loud that he might as well just die because there was no way he would be able to afford his medical expenses even if he recovered. Two weeks later, he died.
That's when I learned that hospitals are just for-profit corporations.
Look in to hospitals and how much money millionaires donate to them as tax write offs. Hospitals get so much money from donations alone that everyone COULD get care for free. The "doctors" in charge keep it quiet because they pocket alone of it. They also give the go ahead on paying off people's bills if said people are wealthy and friends with certain doctors.
A patient cured is a customer lost.
An excellent example of why we need Universal Healthcare. Our healthcare should IN NO WAY be tied to to our jobs or ability to work.
Sorry about your friend.
Our “heroes” everybody.
@@sgt.lincolnosiris4111 I actually got a lot of debt relief from a local hospital. Granted it's still tax write-offs for the hospital, but still.
These examples are why people retire as early as financially possible. There was never a "labor shortage" in the pandemic, just a shortage of employers willing to pay a living wage and treat their employees like people, not cattle.
ya did you see that video about Ghost jobs? employers are doing it for all sorts of benefits.
Bingo!
I expressed being unhappy in my old job back in September. This led to multiple meetings with every combination my team lead, department manager, HR, and GM, all effectively begging me to stay as I was 'mission critical'. I was given written guarantees from the company about my role, I just had to make it to the end of the year and deliver on essential projects, the guarantees came into effect as of January. I was laid off on my 4th work day in January. The kicker was that we were told outright that the decision had been made in early December but the held off on announcing so they wouldn't 'ruin Christmas' - I dropped 10k on a car in December which I could have easily avoided if I got notice.
You got used.
@@JoesVinylShow1980 Pretty much.
Oh no!!
I was one of the last generations of U.S. service members to be on the pension retirement system. So glad I got in when I did and very sad to see the system go.
The younger gens have to pay for it which is wrong, they didnt choose to pay other's pensions, they had no say. It would be different if that money was there, your money earned by u that was taken out in advance. Unfortunately thats not the case.
@@ildyivy Huh....? Social Security is fine.
Anytime a company says "we are family", you need to say "Excellent! As part of this family please sign this document giving me 5% ownership of this family business! Thank you i am so excited!"
Brilliant.
Fired!
I have done interviews where a single employer asked me to go through 6 interviews(30-45 min each) and a 5-hour assignment. By the 5th interview, I was already exhausted and feel used. I have also done interviews from famous companies that demanded 40 hour assignments. There is one thing I learned: If a company truly wants to hire you, they would not make you go through those.
I would have stopped and the 3rd. Two is plenty. Obviously a horrible company I would never want work for, and has no clue how to hire. Sound like HR is sadistic. Is this a job on the international space station? I'd tell them that.
A lot of Graphic Design postings used to ask applicants to work a full day (unpaid) or complete a "live project" (also unpaid) as the final part of their interview... and more times than not, once you had done that free work for them you'd never hear back from them again. The trend died off once people were aware of the trick, but like most plagues it seems to be trying to worm its way back again :(
@@olencone4005 Is that truly legal? That sounds like a con job. I think a lawyer would be able to make a case that you were engaged with them in some capacity when they assigned you work. And that status should apply when it comes to mistreatment, any injury while on the job, and compensation at a fair rate for the work you provided them particularly if it didn't lead to gainful employment.
@@Tubes12AX7k Oh, they were definitely con jobs, purely for free work -- I'm pretty sure it's not legal, but I'm also sure they'd just skirt around that by saying it was a "design test" or something along those lines, which is completely normal for this industry (tho normally just using lorem ipsum filler text and random stock photos instead of an actual real project).
So free labor basically
Both me and my Fiancée have had some pretty crazy stuff happen.
After 5 years at IKEA, you know, one of the highest-rated employers in the world, I invested my entire being into a department that was looked down on by literally the rest of the entire store. I spent extra time (sometimes even outside of work) taking photos, making documents outlining alternative procedures, the works. Nothing ever changed. We were the store's punching bag. This was after I was told I would be re-located (as part of IKEA's policies) due to regular physical injuries from simply trying to keep up with my workload (strains, sprains, etc.), and I was subsequently ghosted. I left that trash heap and never looked back.
Meanwhile, my fiancée invested her entire being into her before/after school childcare job, which was her practicum that hired her straight out of college. She rolled with all the punches, which included some difficult kids, some indifferent teachers, but almost always the management. The owner of the company made her cry on more than one occasion, and even accused her of faking sick DURING COVID where she was following THE COMPANY'S POLICY on taking time off to get tested when that was a thing. She was forced to move around all across the city to different schools on the bosses' whim, which caused her commute to skyrocket. The final straw came when she tried to stick up for herself in the face of a co-worker accusing her of doing a poor job: The owner who, up until this point dared to say she supported my fiancée and understood her having diagnosed (and medicated anxiety), and said not a month prior that she was proud of her and that she was doing a great job, did a 180 and accused her of being one of the worst workers in the entire company. She's felt 1000x better ever since putting in her two weeks.
I saw what company loyalty got my dad. It got him forcible retired earlier which forced him to have to take the same job by a contracting company for less.
I've explained to coworkers that sticking with a single employer is a bad idea. I have job hopped every 1-3 years since I was 17. When I got told I wasn't getting an annual raise I got a different job. And that trend has continued for over a decade. As soon as my employer no longer works for me, I bounce.
Exactly...... Bruh stay loyal to yourself
How do you deal with non-competes. I can't just jump because of one.
@@richardarriaga6271 I've got no competes in my industry. They are ridiculously broad and would never hold up in court. They just use the threat of one as a cudgel to scare folks from leaving.
Take it around to a few lawyers in your area. See what they say.
That is statistically the best way to get significant pay raises and higher positions. Every 2 years you should be leaving your current job for another job. Keep your resume polished and keep your skills sharp and keep learning and adding to them.
Amen to that! Did the same, and I moved from 14k 20 years ago to well over 6 figures today. Whoever tells you that job hopping doesn´t pay all you need to do is to show the clear evidence that it does.
I graduated high school around the time of the great recession. For my entire adult life, I have never harbored any delusions that companies actually valued me as a person.
They get rid of people then a week later they cry that they can't find anyone.
I have worked for the same institution for 22 years. I've seen at least four complete turnovers in the C-suite where they come in stirring everything up while the most loyal folks keep things running regardless of the chaos. Huge paychecks and severance packages for essentially temporary executives, and pay freezes for the people doing the real day-to-day value creation. It feels like the same thing with the American political system. Some morally and financially bankrupt born-rich guy gets into office, sows the seeds of rapid inflation and massive cuts to public interests, they and their buddies profit, and then Americans are left holding the bag. The older I get the more obvious it is and the more dumbfounding it is that people still vote along party lines out of "tradition". I always save money, but property taxes, food, and health care are all climbing while W2 earnings have remained stagnant for the most experienced veterans. It's difficult to get up and relocate your entire family the older you get, especially when these companies aren't guaranteed. This C-suite culture is killing capitalism. The real value is in the people doing the actual work, not the folks going to meetings and frenetically making changes for the sake of "Optics".
I have a pension. I worked my first job for ten years, straight out of college (1995-2005). I was able to collect a reduced fixed amount starting as soon as I turned 45. It was a manufacturing company. They really had an old-school family vibe.
Another old-school manufacturing company gave a ONE YEAR advance notice the plant was closing. The last 6 months included severance packages for those who stayed. Amazing!
Later, I worked for two companies that had mass layoffs within months of my hire date.
No job is worth committing suicide over. RIP to the person who took their own life.
Corporations in America have worked very hard to reduce employees rights. They worked very hard to fight unions who fight for employees rights, and they worked very hard to convince average Americans into believing unions and labor rights are bad. Unfortunately employees are willing to deal with this and until employees decide and that’s enough employers will continue to take avantage. This is the people raising up and say no, enough is enough.. Corporations are NOT going to suddenly get morals and virtues.
Unions aren't your friend. The ones that lead unions are interested in protecting themselves. Not you. They're mini corporations.
Unions fight for employee rights. I’ve seen it play out and you are better with a Union than without. Of course corps have fought and worked aggressively to build a negative view by Americans on unions. Of course an worker that believes unions are bad (something that’s built to protect your rights) is brainwashed and bought all the corporate bull about unions.
The saddest thing about Unions is that we still need them! As an employee you have to pay someone to stand up for you and have your employer treat you like a person. Look at the railroads- the conductors don't even get paid sick days!
@@seinfan9 Freedom Foundation has entered the chat. LOL
@@jerseattle0722 People will flat out refuse to do a stupid simple task because it's "someone else's job." Union dues required because they want to donate to political parties to grease the wheels in their favor. A bunch of money being laundered to ensure they're not paying more in taxes. People in the union being forced out or flat out being threatened and even physically injured to ensure compliance with their rules. I know people that have experienced this crap first hand. You want to sit there and tell me that unions are there to fight for the little guy ? I'm not for forced association, especially where positions of power can be abused.
So USPS employee here. I technically still have a pension. It is small, but I do still have one under FERS. This was actually a big reason I decided to become a USPS employee and why I have stuck to it. Both my parents and two grandparents worked for USPS and they leveraged the benefits to all retire before 60 and be very well off. I hope I can do the same. That along with federal job security, fairly decent health insurance (by no means free though), and ability to move where I want since USPS is national.
3 Generations of real servicemen o7
Yeah, I'm a government employee under FERS-FRAE. The pension is rather small, but I'd rather guarantee that *and* use TSP for retirement than only a 401k.
That word “guarantee”is laughable. Subject to change without notice.
Your dad used to work for a steel company. So did mine. I followed in the 70's with a shiny new engineering degree for the largest steel company in the USA. Then the 80's came.
After surviving 13 management cuts and early retirement waves in 6 years I was let go. 6 months after a merit raise.
I'm so glad I learned this lesson about the company's loyalty to me 40 years ago. It served me well. My dad, retired after 40 years on the job just before the bottom fell out, never understood why I felt this way. His former employer doesn't exist anymore.
the guy in the cubicle next to me was with the company for 20 years. one day he wasn't there. He was fired and I was told to clean out his desk. My boss was with the company for 18 years and he got fired by speaker phone by a guy 400 miles away. Oh, and handed his coat by a secretary in HR and showed the door. Another guy who had been there for over 15 years had his annual review and was told he was great, everything was terrific. A week later he was fired. And this is with one of the most prestigious corporations in America.
Something similar happened to a former co-worker at Delta Airlines. After Delta closed its DFW hangar in 2004, a good number of us opted not to transfer elsewhere and took voluntary severance packages. My former co-worker took a job in Dallas with a company that maintains corporate aircraft. One day, he was assigned to do a wiring mod inside a wing leading edge. He was an avionics tech at Delta, so the wiring mod was a breeze for him. His supervisor commended him for the quality of his work and for getting it done in a timely manner. The very next week, the same supervisor called him into his office and let him go. He reminded the supervisor of how he had praised his work on the wiring mod the week before to which the supervisor answered, "That was last week."
We watched a company severely abuse our Aunt .... she dug her heals in (starting as a VP) but it ended up making her very sick, ultimately killing her through a stress related illness. It was awful. It's awful
Man, its like the workers should just seize the means of production themselves rather than waiting for the company to "do the right thing" with how they run the business.
Unions and worker strikes were more common. We lost power to demand fair working conditions.
We should democratically own businesses.
I just got laid off (along with others)from a company to, less than a month, see a pipeline job posting on ideed.
This video helped me understand that my position isn't abnormal.
I am now moving into a better role.
Thank you for your content, sir.
This has been a long time coming. I’m 57 and we have been the screwed generation. Taught by our parents to be a good employee and we’ll be set! Wrong! You work at a job for years only to have new employees to start at a little under what you make. Loyalty gone
One of my family members was with a company for over 20 years only to find out that new hirers in a starting position were being paid even more. If that isn’t a corporate slap in the face, what is?
True!!
Same here.
Yes new hires often start at a higher wage in my state anyway
so true.
The temerity of employers being upset that people don't have 'loyalty' anymore really brings my piss to a boil. They have made it clear, nationwide, that they will replace their employees with a cheap foreigner, robot, or AI as soon as they possibly can. I've personally had it happen to me *twice* now and I've only been in industry 10 years. What kind of masochist, or weakling, would have any loyalty to such organizations?
Don't apologize, because this needs to be said if it's ever to be addressed, and it probably won't. People are being irreparably damaged by greed and rampant bullying. I've just realized that returning to reselling and a modest living could make me happier than money, cubicles and constant stress. I went back to a job for security that's not there anymore.
Those who are let go struggle to get by.
Those who are kept are worked into the dirt.
And once they’re burnt out, they’re discarded for the next poor soul.
I was left behind to do three people’s job. The ones that were laid off are the lucky ones, because they escaped with their health and mental well being.
I used to be truck driver. There's always a shortage. Every trucking company has to spend a fortune recruiting drivers. As soon as I would take a job, I would be treated with the utmost of contempt. They made sure I knew that if they could figure out how to make $1 more shoving me into a woodchipper, into the chipper I would go.
It amazes me that these supposedly smart people can't figure out it is the way that they treat their workers that is causing the shortages. Try treating your employees with respect. You might notice a world of difference
@@DemonDante1000 It’s the whole McDonalds management system. They teach it in all the business schools.
@@hemaccabe4292 also are these same degree people in public governance? coz they enable this in many many cases even when law would say otherwise
also curious, what do you consider "mcdonalds management system" ? I saw The Founder movie of mcdonalds business.
@@effexon The mcdonalds management system is Ray Croc's further refinement of Ford's treating employees as replaceable commodity cogs so as to be able to treat them as poorly, including low pay, as possible. Lot of info about out there on the net if you go look for it.
@@DemonDante1000 Respect, appreciation and a fare wage (which certainly is indicative of respect and appreciation) is how you retain employees and their loyalty.
My wife with diabetes worked her tail off in health care for a major national corp. She was told there was no coverage for breaks, staying late, etc.
She fell asleep on the way home.
Wrecked her car and broke her neck. Been a year, still in PT.
They're literally killing us.
I’m a nurse who had a heart attack on my way to work, at the ER with the cardiologist at my bedside my Director of Nursing called my and fired me, for no call no show…
@@melissacarrier4638 🤯
@@melissacarrier4638 Omg
very sad.
@Melissa Carrier, I hope you're doing well.
please take care!
Nursing always lists “nice” jobs that don’t exist just to force/coerce you into a different position.
I have a pension. I work for a state university as a professor. I contribute 7% of my salary and they contribute around 14-15% of my salary each year. I also have the best health insurance. I listen to your videos about not staying with an employer for your entire career, but then I hear about the low benefits with other employers it makes it hard to leave.
You must be lucky. Where I work, the university system gave a cost of living increase - the first in almost ten years. And then raised everyone's mandatory contribution to their retirement fund and health plan co-pay. 8.5 % COLA increase. Co-pay to mandatory retirement fund raised from 11.875% to 17.5%. Lol. Effectively killing the raises entirely. But inflation still happened, so an actual net LOSS in income after years of being told they would fix it. Yes, I'll name names here - I live in Nevada and the state education system is in complete mess. I work on weekends part-time and it's good work, but I also see the emails that the regular employees get sent by HR/are sent system-wide and I fee SO sorry for the teachers after getting their union to force through a pay increase (after years of complaining and bargaining) only to have it taken away with creative adjustments to their salaries on the back-end.
I finally learned in my 30s to ALWAYS keep interviewing and keeping an eye out for other opportunities even when you’re in a job that you’re satisfied or generally happy with. I also stopped giving 2 weeks notice. I give a week. Most employers let you go right away anyways and even if they don’t then it’s only a week before moving on to something better. I’ve stopped giving any type of loyalty to a company and look out for myself first always no matter how much they try to convince me that they care about me.
What kind of work you Do?
@@saumitrsharma2816 I’m a liquor rep
Very true. I got laid off without notice because of “ budget constraints “ when bonus was coming,
Yeah it's fucked. At a diner I was one of just 3 cooks and I was the only dishwasher. When I gave two weeks they told me to not come in.
The US is brutal. Don't you have any employee save laws? In Germany employers have to give at least a four weeks notice, employees as well.
Never attach yourself to a Place, Project, Thing, or Organization. The only thing you should be attached to is your Peace of Mind, your Family and Friends, and your Goals. That is how you keep your Power and live a Fulfilling Life.
Not entirely true - be loyal, if that loyalty is earned.
@@Wisdom-Nuggets-Tid-Bits Well obviously there are no perfect Family & Friends. Relationships come with conditions.
Unless the Family member or Friend is toxic, you don't need to cut them off.
A lot of People undervalue the tremendous joy and fulfillment you get when you spend time with the People you love and care about the most.
@@Wisdom-Nuggets-Tid-Bits Truth. If you want a loyal companion, get a dog.
I agree with you 100%. This is especially true for people nearing retirement. Employers will kill off some younger workers to justify taking out many older workers. I've seen it a number of times. The other trend that has contributed to this is the hiring of "consultants" who write a report that "justifies" taking job actions. This is a method of obfuscating responsibility for the decisions that the company leadership makes. Instead of working with the skilled, experienced workforce to look for good solutions, they take the easy way out and point to the consultants' report as justification for decisions. Again, I have seen it time and again. Youngsters with little to no industry experience billing hundreds per hour to write a report to cover a decision. It's unsustainable. Eventually we will see great companies so hollowed out by these tactics that they will lose control of the company. This all started with Jack Welch and the "performance curve" that is commonly used today. It basically says that roughly 10% or more of your organization is "underperforming" and need to be on a PIP or fired annually. There is no "Lake Wobegon" in corporate America.
"We treat our employees like family" - yeah, I've never had my family demand my attendance five days a week between 9am and 6pm and I've never had my family give me a written warning or redundancy.......
I know from experience that when you get laid off over and over it wrecks something inside of you. I can honestly say I never contemplated self harm but I got very tired of the constant pressure to perform in a world where I had zero control. I could work hard, show up on time, do a good job and put the company first and be let go the next day.
Instead of contemplating self harm how about contemplating hurting the people that cause these issues? Far more productive
@@Mrwizard-ck7oe How would you identify those people? Part of the issue is the every changing world we live in. Back when I was in school, in the 70s, we were preparing for a particular career. By the time I graduated from college that career had been upended and wiped out. The same was true with tech. you build up skills that are made meaningless with a tech change. It seemed like I was having to relearn a whole new career field every two years. I am not sure who's fault this was?
@@Mrwizard-ck7oe can't, they aren't even visible
The other bad part about high turn over and lack of loyalty is that executive management becomes more inclined to make careless decisions in the name of short term gains. If a company decides to cut R&D costs to please investors, they'll get a bump in their stocks today, but the cost comes several years down the road when it's time to innovate.
The people who made those decisions will have moved on by then, so it isn't their problem.
They deserve all the negative fall-out that they get. And more.
Exactly what's wrong. We are so short sighted that we end up giving the future our problems to deal with. It's why the Youth today are so hateful and spiteful to the people before them.
And with less time for making a family, there will be even fewer young to care for their elders than we see already now, bruises on the elderly before they hit the coffin, because there is such a lack of caregiver staffing that anyone can be hired if they are cheap, qualified or not. Instead of 401K the retirement of the future will be a .45 before you hit 80 years.
That's late stage capitalism for you, as long the next quarter profits looks good, the shareholders are happy. We're looking at the destruction of the life we know with climate change, but nothing it's done, because at short-term it hurts profit
@@arnowisp6244 Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
No one is blind here, young folk can understand quite plainly the cards they're handed much sooner than most seem to think, it's not particularly difficult to read the egregious writing on the wall. White collar, blue collar, small business, large business, it's all self-interest and cut-throat policy. Inspiring to a certain sort, I guess.
Monopolies are the primary problem, if someone out there cares, start by dismantling them and maybe your children and their children won't have to fight so hard.
I lived through one of these layoffs years ago. It’s only gotten worse I’m sure, but specifically, I worked for a company for about 3 years and I was in my late 20’s early 30’s. The company was one of the big ones that states (mine is NY) hire to do the jobs they used to have state workers do, but now on contract, specifically in health insurance programs. I had gone up from being a phone operator, to a data entry person, to a quality control person, and was actually writing out work instructions and was on my way to being a trainer with possible management responsibilities. Obama was still president, and he passed the now infamous “Affordable Care Act” which made my entire department obsolete. We knew it was coming but weren’t sure when the implemention date was, or what our company was going to do. Well low and behold, a big manager from California came in to head our department, which caused a big buzz (meanwhile I was like “ok they are from California, what does that mean about their history or reputation or literally any kind of impact…) and they brought us all (approximately 90 people) into a large conference room to address us and the future of the department. They talked about how they were going to “merge departments” with the health market division (which already existed and was fully staffed) and everything was gonna be sunshine and rainbows. Most of the employees walked away from that meeting like “oh there’s nothing to worry about!” Meanwhile I was like “you all realize they just told us they are gonna eliminate our jobs right?”
Sure enough, first Friday in October that year, it was about 9 am. I needed a signature from one of the managers on a form. He said he would sign it he just needed to go talk to HR, never came back. About 10 am, I asked my coworker I normally had lunch with what his plans were that day, he said he needed to go down to HR and he’d let me know after. Never came back.
By the time they got to the letter R on their spreadsheet, it was about 4:30. By now almost every desk was empty. I had already taken all my personal stuff out to my car at lunch because I’m not stupid. Sure enough, I get a tap on the shoulder, “hey would you mind coming down to HR?”
Security guard standing there at the door, with a box of my remaining shit in hand that I still don’t know how they got down there that fast. They give me my cobra paperwork and send me on my way. I had already been searching and 2 interviews for the following Monday and had intended to call out to go do something that would actually benefit my future.
No truer statement than “take care of yourself because the company will only take care of itself.”
The manger they let go at 9am had the last initial of B, my coworker let go a little before noon was M, that’s how I know they worked down the spreadsheet in alphabetical order until they got to R at 4:30.
In my employment experience (only about a decade but I've been around) Be loyal to your coworkers, not to a company. I've found it far and away results in a better working experience. Play your cards right and you won't need a union, your bosses will be terrified with how chummy you guys are, or else clueless as to how you all seem to have each other's backs without money changing hands.
Bad bosses will try to tear that up.