Quiet Quitting - An Alternative To Escaping Wage Slavery
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video I wanted to talk about Quiet Quitting - You Can Escape Wage Slavery Today With This Method. Everybody wants to get out of the 9-5 rat race. But its easier said than done. However, there is alternative way. quiet quitting. The trend of TikTok that more and more people have started to apply in their lives.
00:00 Introduction
03:23 Part 1 - Understanding Quiet Quitting
05:48 Part 2 - Its all about the money
07:30 Part 3 - The Different Names for Quiet Quitting
08:46 Part 4 - The weekend is not enough
10:30 Part 5 - The Value of Hard Work
11:49 Part 6 - you don’t owe your company any loyalty
13:09 Part 7 - The Risks of Quiet Quitting
14:32 Conclusion
15:52 Bonus clip
Escape Wage Slavery through Quiet Quitting Your Job Today
Quiet Quit Your Job Today (And Escape Wage Slavery)
Why Everyone Should Quiet Quit Their Job Today (Escape Wage Slavery)
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The system we live in is HELL.
yepp. agree 100%
The system we are in is only RUN ...by Hell ...and only for a little bit longer. I doubt it will take a decade for complete collapse. Ayn Rand effect.
@@juliaevergreen9192It’s a matter of both as well as luck. Some of it falls on you and some of it’s outside your control. You can prepare and learn more, but you can only do so much.
@@juliaevergreen9192You’re leaving out a very important fact, and that is, “What is the system?” It’s a fake money printing scam that benefits a very small group of inbred central bankers and their cronies. They steal from wage slaves through inflation. Fresh Monopoly money is printed, it’s dispersed interest free to Blackrock, Buffet, etc. they buy assets at current price. Liquidity makes its way into system inflating money supply. You get paycheck. Assets go up in value. They sell to you at inflated price. Rinse and repeat. No one can game the system. Your time is being stolen everyday, and most people don’t even know how money comes into existence.
@@juliaevergreen9192that just a very selfish way to look at it. Most people are slaves today without realising it. Everybody who "work the system in their favour" are the reason why the system continue to exist the way it does. 12 years as a teacher. Did you every think of how many people you helped the government to brain wash, so they can continue long after you are gone?
I took early retirement a few days ago. He is right when he says: The people who get promotions are NOT the hard working ones but the ones with good interpersonal skills. I've been working for decades and I agree with everything he has said. Please spread the word. Don't ruin your life and a chance for a healthy relationship with partner and/or kids for a workiplace where people forget you the moment you walk out the door. Take care of yourself. Personal relationships (in the home) are most important as well as relationship with yourself (self love; self esteem; defining your boundaries, etc). Good luck.
👏 Well written
"Interpersonal Skills" I'm dying!!! 🤣😂🤣😱☠☠☠
I am considering dropping working in the high pressure, tech company and finding more simpler, less technical work. I will not make as much however I will have more life left in me to live. Stress is driving my blood pressure up so I take pills to drive it down. This is insane.
@@VictorianMaid99 I met a guy in Puerto Rico who set up umbrellas on the beach and rented them out to people. He said, "work the job, don't let the job work you." If your job is making you sick get out of it. We have one life.
Well said
Never ever associate loyalty with companies!
100% right
Loyalty is to family not company. The company was NEVER your family.
Never associate loyalty with employees apparently.
Maybe 50 years ago, but not in my working life.
Retired now... Two corporations in my career.
Combined years=22 years.
It was all 'family' until they
had 'cutbacks'. I became very 'expendable' real quick. Forget loyalty. You work for your own benefit & income.
Never was a truer word said.
Work is not my identity...
There is no such thing as loyalty in a workplace. Employers won't hesitate to get rid of you at any opportunity. The only person you need to be loyal to is YOU as you can't trust anybody at work.
My last job used to call us a 'family', which went right out the window when they did layoffs
@@censoredeveryday3320 The same happened to me. The CEO got a 5 million dollar bonus and we all get 15 dollar gift cards for Christmas!
After I graduated from mechanical engineering, I worked as a machine design intern for a small scale industry. There, I've done all kinds of work, from sweeping floors & serving tea to customers to doing majority of work designing a custom measuring gauge. But of course they treat us like robots, even worse than robots actually, like rocks. My boss would come & throw a heap of work at me, & I had to finish it.
After a year when I asked for hike on my already miniscule salary, he said no hike for me this year, & he will give hike only if I do even more work, & if he "feels" that I deserve it.
That's the last day I worked there. I quit the very next day. I couldn't take any more stress & suffering..
People are just assets to companies. Nothing more.
I hope you doing better now.
I am also a mechanical engineer. I feel fortunate that I am paid well. The main issue I deal with is I care about the success of our project so much when things do not go well it really hurts my mental well being. I always try my absolute best but even with that things can still go wrong. Sometimes I feel I have too many tasks to juggle and I am trying my best to not drop all of the balls. For the past 15 years I found that if I put in the extra effort by working many weekends I can avoid most issues but recently I have had a few problems and it has made me question if this career is good for my mental health. Do you ever struggle with this same problem?
@@Shawn-ho6de yes, I quit that job & took a career break. Feeling much better now. After reflecting on my work life, I've learnt a lot of things.. Just not having that big burden of work on my head, let's me introspect & take better decisions..
Yes I used to have the same problem, it's tough when we are expected so much, & it was my first job & I didn't know how to say no, reject work when I was already deep in work, etc..
One thing to mention is, I was & still am a politically left wing person. Just reading more about leftist economics, anti capitalist, content made me realise how much I am being exploited by my bosses & the toll it's taking on me... Slowly as I consumed more such content, I learnt how things actually work, how money works, how wage slavery works, etc & I got the confidence to quit. And I did quit.
That one year of work I suffered a lot, both physically, mentally & it had made my life a hell. Now I've pretty much recovered mentally, but still suffer with health issues. That makes me feel, the salary is just not worth it..
I was able to quit because I had no dependants, & I live with my parents who take care of my needs. It may not be so others, so I suggest quiet quitting or reducing work as much as possible..
My advice would be, to keep spending at minimum, so that you can let your salary be less, so in turn demand to work less. Rat race just isn't worth it. Think of it this way, by default, everything is bound to go bad & worst. If you are able to work on a project to at least make it barely usable or working then that itself is a big thing to be happy about. & Remeber, without your labour, even that much progress wasn't possible. So be ok with things not turning out perfect. They just won't, majority of the times. Don't stress over it. If you have to many tasks, you'll have to give up some. Or else all that juggling will take a big toll on you.
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Hope this helps :)
That sounds awful! I also graduated from mech e, and I never had a job like that. Hope you found something better
Thank you for sharing your story and the advice.
Quite frankly, unless you are a business owner, this is the mindset everyone should have. Loyalty will never be more valuable than my individual sovereignty and independence of mind.
I agree and disagree. If employers would be loyal like they used to in our parents days, I'd retain the ability to extend my hands and loyalty back. Of course the world changed a lot, as such I agree that now you need to preserve yourself.
And that’s why no one with your attitude will ever be successful. Do you think for one second a successful person has that attitude? Stay poor
@@dcg590 Whoever said I was poor? I'm quite well off due to investments made earlier in life. No mortgage, no debt, no car payments. The wife and I are just fine. Maybe try not jumping to conclusions perhaps unless you have the full picture. I'm simply unwilling to be a corporate slave any longer. Life is worth living without the 9-5 for those of us who are able. At 45, this was the right choice for me.
@@dcg590youre a slave
Just a thought: There are countless insanely talented, skilled and intelligent people in the world who got ground into the dirt because their "boss" didn't value them. Imagine what amazing things those people could do if they worked together instead of against each other.
Divide and conquer, that's the oldest game in town.
I worked at a place once where we had a team of six. We were asked to go into a room and two of the older members of the group (mid 50’s) were called out individually. We were then told if we were still in the room, our jobs were safe. The oldest guy was during this time locked out of his computer. This was orchestrated at the same time. He was then escorted by security to his desk with a cardboard box for his belongings and then to the front door past everyone in the business. He had been with the company 25+ years.
Yeah, they locked me out too and couldn't even write a farewell email after 11 years...just because I was too old.
Yeah.. its tragic. I heard the same story too many times. :(
I hope you realized that its the company thats the bad guy here.
It’s good to know this is a common practice now
Goodbye social cohesion
Hello pure transactional hell workplaces
You never know why a guy is getting fired, ...or ...you shouldn't. That said - I once walked out of a company obviously in trouble. I told them I would retire in 3 months but left early, unexpectedly turning in a letter of resignation. They were outraged. I told them that I had watched them do exactly that, zero warning terminations, HUNDREDS of them, and agreed they had the right to do that. It confused them, ...which was fun ...-ish.
ACT YOUR WAGE!
thats funny :)
So, don't accept a position if the salary doesn't meet your requirements.
Why have a temper tantrum over compensation you agreed to?
@youtubesucks1499 why have a tempertanrum because im not doing a job i didnt agree to do?
Want more? Pay more.
@@TomScryleus It's acting your wage, not quiet-quitting.
@@youtubesucks1499in Florida and Georgia your employer may change your wage at any moment without any notice,that happened to me,
" We're family here "
Everytime I hear this, I have to restrain myself or I'll start ranting, cursing, and spitting.
I do it quietly in my head every time in my head. :)
Ah yes, a toxic "family" that will throw you out at any opportunity.
'welcome to the family' is such a red flag. last time i heard it was when i was in my first big girl job (at 19) and i didnt know any better. i lost the job after my mental health was destroyed bc i refused to kiss the boss' daughters ass and because a coworker who did in fact kiss ass disliked me. years later i finally heard that the owner all this time didnt fire that coworker solely bc they were a 'friend of the family' but they were aware they did a piss poor job and many high loss mistakes. its all about kissing ass and im not cut for that.
Remember if a project overruns, that’s the company’s problem, not yours. They overpromised, poorly managed, under hired… I refuse to work extra hours to complete a project on time. Once in a while I might, but I do not make it a regular occurrence, it’s simply not sustainable and actually has an adverse effect causing people to cut corners and make mistakes which creates even more work in the long run.
When I go home the work cell phone is TURNED OFF!
Yep, as a coworker and I used to say, "a lack of planning on your" (meaning manager), "part, should not constitute an emergency on my part."
Lost my job for literally no reason, management changed and someone re-evaluated the rules and decided that I did not tick all the boxes. So I was let go. A not insignificant vacuum was created, with no one in the region lined up to replace me. So the whole place suffered but the bureaucrats didn't care, they don't even work in the same city. During this time my parents freaked out and turned on me, hurling insults and abuse my way. Boomers that have no clue what the modern workplace is. Just felt like sharing this here. Tough times :)
Parents brought ruin to the greatest country on earth. Look at the debt. Nothing is new anymore. They act like they are witholding virgins when they were doing their austin powers shag the world in the 80s. But they have the gall to talk shit when you can’t afford a mcdonald’s burger that used to be 3 for a dollar when they were in our age.
Jeez, so sorry to hear that. That is so unfair to hear. We have been brainwashed by work. Our ultimate value is our job. It is so wrong in every way.
Not so. A lot of us old timers have watched our companies slowly go to hell. As new management would come in, new restrictions, worse treatment, more work, little changes crept in, like now you only get a quick lunch and one break instead of two. Oh, breaks are no longer required. Be glad you get a lunch. They kept raising the bar. More work, fewer people to do it. Over time, we were maxed out in terms of how much we could do for them. Then they would add new demands. More people quit and found work elsewhere. The ones who could retire, got out that way. People with adequate training left us and management had to hire people with little to no training, then train them on the job. Then forced overtime. Everyone was stressed. The only person who would accept a low level supervisor position was a jackass who was only there to power trip. I finally gave up and left. I'm so sorry for the young ones. The expectations are unreasonable. And again, I did see so many of the smart young ones simply nod, noncommittally, and then just do whatever they wanted. I knew of old timers who felt like they had to pick up the slack for them, but really, I never blamed them at all.
@@user-kl8lo6rj5i This reminds me SO much of where I work. For the last few years (after years in a decent well paid job which ended when the company went bust) I’ve found myself “coasting to retirement” in a dead end retail job with no prospects.
My current company got rid of many of its experienced staff (team leaders and lower level managers) in a laughably short-sighted cost saving exercise a few years ago, replacing them with poorly trained cheaper and younger graduate type staff who don’t know how to say “no”. They take on all the extra responsibilities and work stupid hours for no overtime pay because they are wet behind the ears. Eventually they realise the job isn’t what they signed up to and that they are being taken for fools and they leave.
Staff turnover is very high. Good people leave. Lower-level manager turnover is off the scale (we joke that managers should have their own separate entrance/exit which would be a revolving door). Everyone is stressed because they’ve cut man-hours to the bone, literally to the point where your department can’t function no matter how hard/fast you work, but the company just expects more and more from its minimum wage staff (whilst the people at the top get massive £ multi-million pay and bonuses). The company makes massive profits but the peasants at the bottom doing all the hard graft get no share in that.
Same situation here. Boss changed and decided i couldnt do my job and fired me for small stuff. Supposed to go through performance improvement plan but wasnt even given a chance. Didnt tell my parents as I know they will will not understand. Typical boomers. Well, at least i will have lesser emotional burden by not telling them. Tough times indeed.
In my mid 20 I realised that a company is not family, is not a happy place, I started to behave like them. I am not working overtime, I am not participating in any company activities like company trips or anything. I show up on time, do what needs to be done and leave. I know they will fire me when they feel the need to and in return I will quit on the spot without hesitation when I feel I need to.
no job can pay me enough for my life, which is what i'm giving them. my loyalty is, and always will be, to myself.
I suggest you tell your current or future employer all of this. Good luck.
@@larryb728r u the employer?
@@larryb728why should he be up front with an employer, when they feel no such compunction?
@@TDC7594you aren’t owed anything as the employee.
@@dcg590 neither is an employer owed loyalty or anything else from an employee.
I was verbally abused by a office manager for 11 years. When they asked me why I quit I just said I can’t the abuse anymore. I love this guy❤
Thats happened to me. Ive been thinking of making a video sharing office horror stories.
Have a nice weekend
@@TomScryleus you too, I can’t to see it
I wouldn't of taken it even once; leadership is not in title
Been there, told the guy he could fuck himself and left than and there, your self respect should never have a price tag
I don't see what the big deal is, business and companies have been "quiet screwing " the employees for years, forced overtime, cutting hours, layoffs, shitty assignments, taking away or cutting down on benefits ect, people need to understand the company dont care about you, they care about profits there's plenty of people looking for work......
I was forced onto disability insurance through schizophrenia in my late 20s. I managed my disability pension well and now in my 40s I have no debt and no obligations. In some ways, getting schizophrenia is the best thing that ever happened to me. Most of my friends have more money, but are far more miserable and have LOTS of debts.
I know just what you are saying. I was pushed off the treadmill when I turned 40 because of RA - I'm now nearly 70 and the brutal truth is that it has been a 'blessing in disguise'
I can actually imagine that. It makes sense to me. Your friends are stuck in the wage slave swamp.
yeah I know your story. I envy you in a way.
@@TomScryleus Hello Tom - have you ever thought about setting up a cattery - more and more people are just settling for cats instead of having babies - hope your fur babies are well.
My family member did this. He's better off than all of us.
NEVER trust a private company to represent your interests.
never have, never will
Or anyone in the workforce. You must include federal, state, and local government. Full of backstabbing narcissists. No better than corporate.
I was working for a painter and started to clean some dusty window sills, he told me to pack up our tools and said, “We’re leaving.” He called homeowner and said “Clean your windows, we are not your maids.”
you are being paid to paint... this involves prep for paint, that's usually cleaning.... It is literally your fucking job unless otherwise stated in the contract and I"m certain it wasn't.
You're right about the hard workers not getting promoted. If you become too valuable in your position, you will be kept there and worked to death. If you go out of your way to do more, you will be given more to do, but not paid more. I hate that this is true but becoming friends with your superiors will absolutely increase your chances to get promoted and potentially protect you during smaller lay offs.
100%
It's not what you know. It's WHO you know. But I will not kiss butt to get ahead. I will not be fake.
Addendum... I got laid off. The day after returning from visiting my mom, during which she passed away from cancer.
@@misterbrickest My condolences.
@@misterbrickest that is so fucked up. sorry for your loss
Its hard to quiet quit in an environment where companies are actively looking for reasons to let people go
yes, and thats why.. i don't know if you noticed it in the video, while I do consider myself doing quiet quitting since the first day, I still get tired from work. My bar is set very high for "minimum work".
so I would I say my goal is to work at 50% capacity, but my output is usually around 80-90%.
we all want to be recognized for our hard work.
@@TomScryleus & what's more important is, we shouldn't be dependent on the job. That just takes out so much stress from head, & that's what enables me to quite quit. Just being confident that I'll be fine even if I got fired, is the best feeling ever .. that's why I don't have any debt, won't spend much, live a very frugal life. I'm ok suffer this way, rather than my friends who showoff & spend a ton only to be trapped in wage slave's cage & being a wagie entire life.
fuck em
"Quiet cutting" is their response to us
@@s5101984 let them cut then, because it costs them more money to hire another one than me finding another job
Good advice. You may want to mention that when you work for a company you are not, despite what you are told, an associate, a team member, or any other such nonsense titles given to workers. You are an employee. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yep. Notice the word PLOY
It’s a hijack of enslavement in this cyst stem.
I used to work for Waitrose , a UK supermarket, where it tries to sell the idea that all it's employees are "partners" and that it's some employee cooperative when it simply is not
Also employee of the month stuff is meaningless
@@keithparker1346Another false title is calling the dumbocracy of Britain a "Kingdom." Yes, there is a crown, but it has no real power any more. Britanistan is appropriate. When the queen knighted a pirate, chivalry died in England.
A temporary resource.
I used to dream about being promoted at work up until covid. But then when I saw how the hired-ups stay an hour more at work and how they're required to answer calls even when they are supposed to live their private life, I said "This is not for me, I'm not that insane."
You’re very wise! No one says on their death bed, “ I wish I would’ve put more hours in at work!”
@@cryptojoecoin5480lol
@@cryptojoecoin5480People keep telling me that, but I've been at it for 38 years and I have no idea what you're talking about.
Maybe you should invest in yourself and get a job you like?
Less responsibility is freedom!
Tom, I have worked in the corporate world for over 18 years and have seen many crazy scenarios. I do IT and I remember a time when a user who worked for the company for over 20 years was one day let go! My manager reached out to me and told me to close that users account on. Friday at 3pm. When I asked who it was I surprised it was that user. He was such a gung ho company man. He did everything of them and when Friday came he was called to HR and I was given the head nod to lock his account. He was all the way on the other side of the office but I could see him. The sadness in his eyes, the anger was there as well just solidified that these companies don’t care about their workers. Since then I just don’t care anymore. I used to be a company guy as well but because of a few situations that happened to me I lost that gung ho mentality. Working in IT you will see and hear all the knife stabbing and head games that they play. It’s sad but we do need to find a way out!
I've never been loyal to any company. I own a small recruitment business in Asia and see daily how most companies treat their people. Working for yourself is the only way to be truly free. You don't have to start a big business. Be a solopreneur as I was for many years. Even now we only have a few reliable contractors and keep everything lean. Work maybe 20 hours or less a week and travel whilst working remotely. Use your time at work to build your side hustle and plan your exit.
100%
I am about to take the leap into working for myself! 💪🏼😱
Solopreneur is the answer. The best decision I ever made.
@@scottbriggs4960Cut the middleman.
But it takes money to make money, and I literally have none.
Where do you find clients?
Self employment is the only way. JOB-Just Over Broke. JOBS- Just Over Broke Still. The employee mindset is a slave mindset.
yes I agree. There is a part of me that thinks that its to late for me.
When you live in a society where the government controls everything, this is not an option any more. Basically the government collect all money, and decide who are allowed to get some of it and who's not.
My dad once told me, "you will start off collecting checks, if you do things right you will become the one signing those checks".
If you don't like working 8 hours a day as an employee, get ready to work 16 hours a day as an entrepreneur. You'll be a slave to your clients, many of who are worse than your boss.
@@s4nder86You make a good point.
I worked as a teacher and it was absolutely insane.
We were all extremely manipulated, ‘think of the children’ etc etc There was a constant increase in workload, I couldn’t understand how the other teachers were managing to give the ‘individualised learning’ to all their pupils.. if only I’d realised everyone was lying! It wasn’t humanely possibly to do what they were asking, even by working all weekends.. but I thought I wasn’t managing my workload properly.. nope! Everyone was lying!
”Think of the children” lol.
That is not a good argument. As a teacher you could say the same to to the employer.
”Hire more teachers, think of the children”
@@TomScryleus I was too manipulated to even THINK of that!! ..good reply. Though to be honest, when everyone is being played off each other and others are pretending to be fulfilling the tasks, no-one will admit to not fulfilling all the tasks, as then they look like the only one who can't do their job. A pantomime really, but a very exhausting and confusing one, until you figure out, no-one is giving individualised feedback on all the assignments.. they wouldn't have time to eat or sleep if they did!
I admit there is a problem in society. But at least we have to face it. we have to admit that we have a system thats flawed. I'm not sure what the answer is. but quiet quitting is a good step to protect your self for exhaustion.
@@annastone5624I teach English in Cambodia. The only reason tests have to be four pages instead of the six a manager demanded was that another manager didn't want to do more work, as he was responsible for printing tests.
A favour to underlings is actually a favour to themselves. Selfish. And the aforementioned stole all of my money five years ago but that's another story.
Teaching is an abusive relationship. No one should subject themselves to that. Unionize and demand fair pay and fair work conditions.
My father worked for 20 years for a company he was pretty much in love with. When he turned 50 he was all excited about the prospect of being made "partner". They said he would be made partner IF he moved into a third world country. As he didn´t want to go through with the relocation, he got fired. 15 years later, he kept going on talking about that fuc...g company and trying to talk ME into getting there. It was Price Waterhouse. I still can´t believe his idiocy.
He's not an idiot, you are short-sighted and negative-minded. He loved his job for 20 years. Few people get to experience that. That's all he wants for you. He doesn't care what company or job it is. And you turn around and call that "idiocy".
@@BearfootBob True. Just because he was fucked in the ass by his bosses does not mean his son should not be fucked the same way.
It’s sad people value a soulless entity over themselves and their families. Every person has inherent value - it’s your skills that are paid for on the marketplace. People are indoctrinated to give their soul to a company and be a pick me for a job - but you’re interviewing them just as much if not more than they are interviewing you. I learned that the hard way when I was fired for attending to a family emergency and a health condition. You’re a number to them, not a human being. I believe we can do better.
I used to work for them, i walked out after two weeks
Quiet quitting is a warranted reaction against unfair treatment in the workplace. Everyone needs a work/life balance. Employers who don’t respect that are basically slave drivers.
I'm unsure how Europe does it, but in America they insist we shouldn't have a work life balance.
I wish this guy would talk more about government too, like school systems, federal, state, and local municipal government, etc. These places are every bit as cold and ruthless as the corporate world. It’s all slavery.
At a government job you can use your sick benefits like crazy though and protection.
@@Jim1701XIt doesn’t help when you work in a viper pit. Every vacation (time off) I took, my employees used it to set me up while I was away. Nasty individuals.
@@cryptojoecoin5480 sorry to hear that. I hope things have improved for you. ❤️🙏
Yes the “profit” for a nonprofit are grants and donations, the “profit” for government is tax revenue and these entities are highly motivated just as corporations/companies are for the money. You will see the directors and administrators of government, universities, schools, orgs take quite a huge cut which doesn’t always translate to the value of the service they provide. They know it’s a house of cards soooo might as well extract as much off the top that they can. Most things in life seem to be scams given the value per dollar given for the service. It’s up to us to be discerning but a lot of people have their eyes closed.
Almost all workplaces are run along corporate mentality and financial structures these days. Even charities extract profits. They just label it 'surplus' or something similar.
The non concern for other employees burden via quiet quitting was spot on. I have seen and been the focus of employer abuse. Never have I seen other employees run to the aid of the abused or terminated employee. It’s almost a “better him than me” attitude exhibited by the remaining employees, yet knowing anyone of them could be next. Profound video. I just sent it to several of my friends. BTW, I was terminated for running to the aid of an abused employee. Employers will not tolerate sympathetic collaboration against their orchestrated campaigns of targeted abuse.
Sometimes I think it's the folks who are laid off who have it better than the "survivors", who look for a noose around every corner wondering when they will be next. Before managers, companies, complain about quiet quitting, they need to put their money where their mouth and treat their employees like the assets they are. Athletes will run through a wall for a coach who knows how to appreciate and maximize potential. Likewise, smart companies "get" that if you treat the help well, the help will make the operation succeed.
There is a sweet spot in the pace of work. You do enough to satisfy the expectations of the company but not so much where you wear yourself out. Do this in a cheerful manner and you will never be fired or be worn thin.
I’ve been quiet quitting for this year since I’ve completed most if not all my projects. I’ve always been the one to do anything quickly so I can use the free time to work on myself. Only problem is management see this as opportunity to pack more crap on my plate. I don’t want to be lazy but it really soul crushing when they give problems that anyone else can do.
yeah I know that feeling, the trick is to always look very busy. I often book meeting rooms.
Yes, my experience too. I work fast but I keep quiet about it because otherwise they give me twice as much work as everyone else.
You’re being punished for being conscientious and capable. Start dragging your feet.
I was upper management for almost 30 years in healthcare. I was lucky because I was out in field visiting various sites. The central office site was a brutal environment, bad bosses, toxic cultures. I was able to transfer every 2-3 years and save my sanity. Retired 2 years ago and it’s been amazing. If you have the opportunity to move on, move on. If you’re “stuck” don’t underestimate yourself. You’d be surprised that finding another job or starting your own career is not impossible.
there's also one important point: do spend considerable amount of work time learning and improving knowledge and skills (no matter if job related or not) - many people burn out once they realize they've been doing same work for decades without any (personal) progress
I'm going through this right now, some of my bosses have left and I'm being TOLD that I will have to start doing some of their jobs, no additional compensation will be offered, while management looks for replacements. They most likely will stall hiring new people to save money hoping I do all the extra work. I'm looking for a new job.
Yeah they put you in a weird position. because its not like you can say no.
But I would personally say "ok I will try, but remember I can only do 100%".
and then I would contanstly ask them "hey I can't deliver on both these assigment, which should I prioritize?"
Hope it works out for you
Additional responsibilities without additional compensation is unacceptable. I hope you find something else soon. They are taking advantage of you.
This is also what leads to mass suicides. People cant do all this extra, recieve no compesation, and still be left struggling to survive and make ends meet. Why even bother
Just tell them, I'm not doing their job and my job. They have to respect that. If not. Tell them find another sucker.
Simple solution: Only agree to take on the extra work if paid an addition 25% of salary for taking on more work responsibility. After all, the present salary you are paid was for a SPECIFIC JOB DESCRIPTION. Your bosses just changed your job description by adding more WORK to your plate. That requires a re-negotiation of SALARY to cover the period of time that you agree to do this until they hire the replacement. If they get mad, ask them this: If I wanted to change my JOB DESCRIPTION to something requiring LESS WORK, would you not rightly expect me to agree to be paid LESS MONEY for LESS WORK?
Well, of course they would say “yes” to that. So now you have them, because the SAME PRINCIPLE applies if they INCREASE your work, they must INCREASE your salary.
what's more important is, we shouldn't be dependent on the job. That just takes out so much stress from head, & that's what enables me to quite quit. Just being confident that I'll be fine even if I got fired, is the best feeling ever .. that's why I don't have any debt, won't spend much, live a very frugal life. I'm ok suffer this way, rather than my friends who spend a ton only to be trapped in wage slave's cage & being a wagie entire life.
Wisdom. And so few people see it. Minimalism & frugality isn’t sacrifice, it’s freedom. Debt and consumerism=slavery.
Sounds like you did allright.
You are like me. No kids. No debts. No problems.
After being let down a few times by my company, I decided to just stop caring anymore. I used to care - I would do the bit extra, or worry over details, spend extra time trying to save them money. But then they took advantage of me and I got zero recognition and compensation so I just decided to stop caring. Now I just pretend to care but I don't attend anything I don't absolutely have to and I don't worry over trying to save the company money when no one is going to notice anyway.
Four decades in the slave wage prison and hating every minute of it including company galas, holiday parties and other corporate circle jerks. after eleven years at the last company, the new CEO laid off thousands, including me. I took a year off to decide what I wanted and now work gig jobs… and I happily work 7 days a week because my boss is me.
“Corporate Circle Jerk!!!!” I never heard it stated any clearer than that!!! Bravo! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@MrSeeuusame, I hit company parties
Ree Robindaughter, I sympathize.
This man knows what he's talking about. He's putting into words what I have experienced in my life (gen X, 44 yrs old...not a millenial). He's spot on with this!
Born in 1962. Like X. Generation I had been abused and mistreated so badly. I didn’t get raises. Our team was outsourced. My mental illness was getting so bad and I was getting sicker. It wasn’t worth it. I would have died at my desk. I was truly near severe depression. Besides, I had to slow down, because I couldn’t handle the amount of work.
This society is a hellscape
Hard work gets you more hard work, frequently for no additional remuneration. I'll do occasional overtime if I feel like it, but most of the people in our team are keenly aware of how little the company values us, and that they'll throw us under the bus in a heartbeat. And you're right - when profits soar, the C-suite executives reap the rewards. When profits dip, it's a race to see who they can lay-off first. People in tech are experiencing this first-hand right now. Loyalty should be reserved for yourself and those you care about.
Wow, ending scene...😂 funny and sad at the same time.
I was fired once for having worked over 10 years at a company. The boss had the guts to tell me during the firing conversation he felt so bad the night before that he couldn't sleep. Poor him...
My current company fired someone after her working for them for 20 days. She was escorted out of thr building immediately without a chance to even say good bye to colleagues. Meanwhile they are pushing the "we are a family" idea down on everyone's throat. It makes me sick that workers are treated as morons and manipulated daily. Not to mention the stealing of the wealth we generate.
Your boss was probably a good person. sounds like his company forced him to do that.
Its usually not the bosses I blame. Its the company.
That whole "getting escorted the same day", I just hate that. so distrespectful. Like they think you will set the place on fire or something. and as you said, all along they push the "we are family" theme down workers throats.
They’re not stealing wealth you generated. You accepted a rate upon hiring and that’s on you.
Don't forget, the "bosses" are also wage slaves themselves! 😂
@@cocacolacaine3356 How does boot leather taste?
Capitalism is absolutely stealing wealth that workers generate. It cannot possibly work any other way. A worker generates x amount of wealth for a company, and that company then pays the worker x - y for the labor. That y value goes into someone else's pockets who didn't actually work for it. You say we never risked all of our money and everything we owned to build the business. Maybe not, but if the owners of capital aren't dependent on workers, maybe they should try running the business without any help and see what happens.
Any firm that tells me they ‘are a family’ is a red flag; big boundary violation right there.
100% agree with this. For most people work sucks, most often because of the people we work with. Too many times I’ve seen ambition and pushiness mistaken for talent, leading to poor management and a toxic work environment. So grateful I can work for myself these days.
I think also people once they find work often stay in jobs they hate simply out of fear of finding a new job
Very good points! When a company reports 30% revenue grow, and at the same time cut bonuses and salaries then it is a time to think...
I already quiet quit a long time ago. I close my door, and the other ones think I work on my computer. But I found the power of the internet, combined with free heating of my office. At home I have to pay the heating....
We are tired of war,we are tired of working so much to survive❤
Best piece ofadvice i can give anyone. If you're a solid and profitable producer you will never move up. You will always stay where your at because you can produce. I learned this the hard way being a carpenter for a large local custom home builder on the jersey shore. Instead of running entire jobs from an office i ran them from my truck or while i was in the middle of another part of the job. Dont let anyone smooth talk you and dont let your loyalty make you a fool. I eventually started my own buisness and couldnt be happier.
Like you mentioned, it shouldn't even be quiet quitting. It is just "doing what you agreed to do and no more".
I think it is good to be strategic. Even if you're detached and only doing what's prepared, you can still be seen as a great worker if you have those good interpersonal skills and make sure to stand out with the work that you do.
Then leverage that into connections and references and move onto a better opportunity.
Of course. Some finessing is recommended. And it takes years of experience to master the skill of quiet quitting.
When I left my last job as Cyber Analyst at Defense company I swore never again go above and beyond. I was mentally and physcially burned out. After low salary increase and a PIP I felt no matter what you do I not good enough.
As a young employee, I was told that I could starve just as easily at home as I could at work.
When asking for fair wage after time invested i was told that a job isn't supposed to meet all your needs and you're still eating aren't you?
LOL, hope you gave them the finger immediately after that bs.
Damn! This is exactly what I needed to hear. Think I am going to watch this video everyday for a year!
A fascinating video Tom. Thank you for your eloquence. I worked in corporate for years. This unfortunately extends beyond corporations, people really can exploit others if given the chance. With the changing state of psychology showing narcissism is now the modern disease, we are at the gates of the battle for cheap labor like we've never seen it. A lot of older people in the future, automation and such, lots of stuff between the lines. Quiet quitting saved me from going insane. Same applies for human interactions sometimes!
Only those who do minimal work but act and talk like they are running the system get promotions at work. Those who do much more but are quiet or introvert are ignored.
Don't forget the Peter Principle. I've seen people too dumb to live get promoted to foremen and GFs.
Worked in IT a long time. They will fire you if you get sick, or put you on the layoff roll. If you start using your health insurance to any appreciable degree, if you get cancer or whatever, bam, you are gone. As I understand it, it costs them more money to pay the insurance company to keep you employed. I survived many layoffs. It was always the people who were using their health care who were let go.
I agree with you on doing the bare minimum because the company doesn’t care about you or your health or family so why care about the company. I’ve learned this through many years of working and I wish I heard this 20 years ago. Thank you for this awesome advice and making this vid. Thank you. Peace
Just subbed to your channel. Have a business degree from the early 90’s. I honestly think this is one of the BEST channels on TH-cam. Keep up the great work 🌟
This is the first tine i haved seen such an intelligent and mindful approach to this topic. HR's Departmentaments in the private sector had declared war against this practice since the end of the pandemic. Now im see the same happening in the goverment sector too. From the industrial pshycology standpoint is a behavioral phenomena increasing exponentionally. Dont know if a generational component is the trigger or not but the principles you haved outlined are right on the money!!!
thank you!
I was in a team where there were quiet quitters. I and a few others had to work over time to pick up their slack. While they just watched netflix during office time, while working from home.
I quit after getting burned out. So did all the other talented ppl who used to work
But thats not quiet quitting. sounds more like thet didnt do their job.
Quiet quitting doesn’t mean dossing.
My bad, i get the definition now.
@@TomScryleusin the end, it's all the same, whoever is not quiet quitting, will have to work harder to make do for the quiet quitters. An older employee that is on the verge of being fired, doesn't want the bad attention that a team that doesn't deliver, gets. So, in order to keep having food, there are only two choices: cover for the younger quiet quitter, or manage to get the quiet quitter replaced. In the long run, I see quiet quitting as a positive thing, when the next economic crisis happen, possibly companies will lay off younger employee and keep older ones, for once in history.
The older people are the ones having to pick up the slack because they do not have the ability to quiet quit because we can not afford it. You guys dont realizr this is a luxury to be able to do and a privilege because i come froma poor family, we dont grt to decide that i dont like how people are treating me at work, i dont go to work to be liked anyways. I go to make money to survive. I am responsible for more than just myself in my house, and they rely on me to pay the bills. Quiet quitting is selfish. Because it burns out people like me who are just trying to make an honest living to care for my family. People used to care about how their work ethic looked. People used to take pride in it. It is sad how there are so many people like this because this mentality is destroying the next generation of workers that will run this country. Whose going to keep our power on and keep building our roads and buildings and ensure our water sources stay safe when everyone is constantly needing coddled to because stacy talked to you in the wrong tone or you think she looked at you wrong?? This is absolutely insane to me how so many people need their feelings catered to when all you guys dont realize when we have nothing properly running anymore, your feelings wont be priorty anymore, i can promise that. Stop complaining about everything in your life and start realizing you have it better than a lot of people have EVER had it. There are a lot of people that dont get the luxury of even thinking about what is wrong in their lives. If you dont like a job, do everyone a favor and just quit and move on. Because exasperating the situation never did anyone any favors.
You are very authentic and I love your content - it is true and realistic and I believe your personal experience gives your perspective credibility. I left my job and experienced most of what you discussed - it was a huge blessing! Thanks! ❤🇨🇦
you are sweet Katja. thank so much. I think the more I try to be authentic and humble, the more people recognize themselves in me. We are not alone.
Im glad you are doing better.
😲I actually encourage "quiet quitting" whenever I employ someone. Do your best when you work for me in those hours and I respect all the other time, and never ever ask for overtime. Stop when you're tired.
I was practicing this when I'm working with a company, too, and I'm very successful with it.
Now I work for 4 hours per day for the same salary. (actually I only work 4 days per week so my salary is a bit less for now, but I don't care, I have a lot better life and they get a good performance)
(So, not "quiet quitting" is actually unhealthy, I'm not even sure it is the right word, probably a capitalist-made expression. Let's call it "upstanding labor".)
on stress: stress management and workload management is also the responsibility of me as an employer. I know that I get the beat performance if someone is enabled to work at their capability. Overload does not bring a higher yield, just exhausts my employee.
Plus, I care about my employees, as people, so I try to be a good friend. I think this is part of being human.
I like how you said to relate it to your health, you should always put your health before a job, mentally and physically. Your health is PRICELESS, and the state of your health, both mental and physical, is a reflection of your life and your ability to enjoy your own life
and the companies do NOT care about your health. no matter what lies they tell you.
@@TomScryleusutter truth there. I physically burnt out in a job and employers were crappy about it and even tried to claim I was faking it. I got signed off sick for months and never went back until I got sacked
I agree about getting let go... you may not realize it at the time or for the year or so it takes now to find s job.... but it tends to lead to much better place next time! It happened to me like this also and I feel sooo lucky I got out of there.
I reaaally don't miss any of the jobs where I was let go. :)
I felt bad when it happened but... not anymore.
Thank you for the video. We are all in this together. Sending hugs for everyone 🫂
I've just discovered your channel. Love your videos and your honesty. You're expressing very eloquently what most of us are thinking.
Thank you. So kind of you. I will be back in 2024.
Sorry about the late upload, I had some stuff to take care of today.
Hope you enjoy the video.
I have a half day off and Sundays off...no one can contact me at all. I am wiped the hell out. If I request a extra couple days off, they freak the hell out but I don't care anymore. They can adapt.
thank you so much for this conversation....i feel as if im the only one in my social group that sees this...its like everyone is hypnotized...blinded from consumerism
Finally here’s someone who lays it down as it is and it’s the reality unfortunately. I had gone through 3 layoffs so I can identify with every word he says.
Most people wont accept it though, until its to late. You know?
Once you realize this. Your job gets better. Just do the bare minimum, refuse to do things that weren't in your job description, ignore the higher ups b1tching, do not get into workplace drama, turn your job off when you leave, and always have a backup plan. Work to live. Not live to work.
Love this video! It’s so true. I made myself indispensable at one job, and I loved working at that company. But when I took a vacation after 2 years, and they realized that the place fell apart without me, they immediately brought in a new consultant to outsource my duties and let me go. I was just a cog in the wheel to them. That was a learning experience. My next job, I excelled so much at my duties, earning employee of the year in a very large company, that I ended up being thrown all the extremely difficult accounts that no one else could manage, which reduced my productivity to the point that my income decreased. All of this taught me to just do the bare minimum. You don’t owe them anything.
Thank you, I needed to hear this.
Every single sentence you said is really true in the work force❤
one of lifes sad facts.
well, this year will change for me.
As the value of gold increases my 'net worth ' goes up.
The other day, i explained to a coworker at my Blue collar warehouse job i work for exercise, that i retired at 40 from a white collar exec position but didn't like retirement but didn't want to think for a job and I could care less about the bs politics of the job and that my net worth was close to 7 figures...
I don't think they understood what I was saying.
Tom, your content is exactly what I needed to hear. It almost seems like you are identifying my personal delusions and helping me to review them and see where I am wrong. Subscribed.👍👍
Welcome to the channel. Glad you found it useful. Im not expert, just sharing my experience and thoughts.
have a great day
It’s the first time I’ve seen your channel and I subscribed just after seeing your video . Now I’m going to listen to it a second time . Your observations are very interesting. Well done .
glad you liked it David. welcome to the channel. Sadly my father passed away recently (made a post about it in my community tab) and I will no be releasing videos more this year. But I will be back in 2024. hope to see you then.
Good points. Yours, at first hearing them, are pragmatic and self-advocating. These in the face of not having any union representation or other protections against “employment at will,” and “right to work” laws making it easier for employers to fire a worker make sense. I appreciate your larger context of for whom or what is one working? Living in the richest nation history has ever experienced doesn’t mean the wealth is more equally distributed. The American, or “Protestant work ethic” has resulted in pervasive exploitation and impoverishment, particularly burdened are lower skilled and educated workers. Your thesis of quiet resistance to a status quo that no longer serves workers has merit. Thank you for sharing!
Becoming a union member would be far more beneficial in my opinion. But we are talking about USA which is shit for employees
My wife worked for Verizon for 10 years. She was their hardest and most valued worker. They sold her position with a contract to another company. No loyalty with large companies at all. Retirements are fading away and you can buy your own medical. There’s no reason for loyalty to any company anymore. Start your own Roth 401 and save 20% of your total earnings. Float from job to job or start ur own company. Live below your means and you’ll be fine
Live below your means is a credo to live by ;-)
Tom you keep making these Great videos! Another Masterpiece!😁
Thank you for this video🙏🏻
Fortunately, my boss respected me but he would have rather been hunting. While we weren't buddies, I did the required drafting assignments. The work was fascinating and mesmerizing -- it was easy for me to get immersed in what I was doing and the time just flew by. He never said good morning to me or see you guys tomorrow, which was ok. I had much responsibility and was paid well, and that's why I was there. It was a large company and I was a rent-a-body on a 12 year 'temporary' assignment without the shiny benefits of the shirt and tie 'regulars'. I engaged in other endeavors while there so I wasn't hurting for dollars. The time came for the plant to close after many years. Some were there at the start, I was there near the finish but didn't wait for the final curtain. Without telling anyone what I was planning, I cut my car pass in half, mailed one half to my boss, immediately after I left work that day along with a 2 word letter of resignation "I resign" and I signed it. No one enters the plant without a car pass. A few weeks later, I went to gather my personal belongings with an armed security guard. I had heard my boss was a bit taken back, but I didn't want a going away party -- wasn't in the mood. I had a company shop-jacket I wore, and one of my fellow employees would not allow me to take it, so I left it there. That's when I remembered why I did what I did. I don't love any of them any less, but when it's time to move on, it's time to move on. No regrets, no hand shakes or pats on the back. I willingly traded my time for money. They owe me nothing and I was paid on time every week. I moved on and I was good with that. 🙂
This was a great video.
Thanks :)
Thanks for this bro! Everyone needs to see this.
thank you bro. Im glad you enjoyed the video.
have a great weekend.
This is an awesome video. Great message
glad you liked it.
A business owner once asked me why he was having such hard time keeping employees. He claimed that he paid the market wage, if not a tad above market. I ask him how much his annual profits were after paying wages and liabilities. He answered approx 20 million per year. Then I ask if he thought he could make anywhere close to that without those 15 employees? He answered no. Then he claimed it didn't make any difference because he deserved all that money to himself because he built the company from scratch and risking his home and family. I ask, well, how much money do you suppose was enough to reward you for your early struggles and expertise in building the business? He answered infinite, that is my fortune for doing the right thing and building a great business. I replied, well there is your answer to why you can no longer keep good employees. He commented that I had a good point. I'm like WTF! It never occurred to you how valuable these employees were? Money makes people really stupid.
Great read. Did he ever go up on wages?
the bonus clip in the end of the video, is from my short movie *Beyond hope*
you can watch it here: th-cam.com/video/A43OdaYnk3k/w-d-xo.htmlsi=hgEL_BsS5OorjeFl
Amazing content. Keep it up!
NHS staff have been quiet quitting for years… not because we want to but because we don’t have anything left to give….
Here in the UK we used to use the term "soldiering" - like a soldier - doing no more nor less than instructed.
The satirical stories about "The Good Soldier Švejk" by Czech author Jaroslav Hašek embrace this kind of un-punishable subversion!
oh cool. thanks for sharing that.
have a great 2024 🎉🎉🎉🎉
This guy is a genius! Actually, it’s just something that self-aware people already know. It just takes some people longer to realize it than others.
I have been fired more than a damn Gatling gun and have quit more than that but I usually don't do either one quietly lol but I do understand what you are saying and have practiced it for years. Keep these excellent videos coming bro! Thank you!
Amazing Video my man! i feel this video so bad.. I am from Denmark. I do The same. But i never considered the"minimum wage argument for minimum work" Great point!
Glad you enjoyed it.
Tell me something, how many works per week do you guys work? Its less than 40 right? 38?
@@TomScryleus in Denmark a full time job is 37 hours. How much is in the us or uk? where were you from?:)
Sweden, we work 40 hours. its 40 in the us also. but I understand its more common that people work a lot of unpaid overtime.
@@TomScryleusunpaid overtime is a global thing unfortunately
So happy I'm working for the organisation I'm in now. First time I'm happy doing what i do. It's an organization helping the homeless, refugees and other people in precarious situations. Before that I had all this sh!t too. I used to compensate myself in a way like going home with the most expensive bottle of wine every day for example....
If i had known about quite quitting then I would've done the same.
Absolutely brilliant video, brilliant insights, so many things I wish I knew in my last job, and many things I learned from watching. This clarified many of my recent experiences. Much truth! Quitting might be the wrong term... but whatever, the points remain strong!
Just recently found your channel. Good stuff. Tom, I liked the concept that minimum vage policy equals minimum investment for the job. Also good to clarify yourself to stick to your contract and duties, responsibilities and tasks assigned there as your job description. However, at least here where I live, there is a common trap hidden in a contract. Almost in every case at the very bottom of the list there is a final addition "... and every other (random) tasks appointed by your superwisor/boss/employer." This is super common addition in contracts here and in principle, you should't sign this type of contract, it's so common that you're easily ending up the situation no job ever in a case you would not signing that paper because of that. It's just a reality for most of the people to sign up anyways.
And in that case where you about to take a position with this marking in it, they can always bring that point out in a contract, if trying to refuse any given extra work or work that is not your area in your opinion.
Tom, do you have anything to cope with this and make best of the potential situation when happening?
I worked for this American company for almost 30 years. Americans: Work HARD. (OMG). One day, they decided to let me go. Happily for me they gave me severance payment (by law in Mexico). Not one more single penny. They gave me exactly what they had to give me according to labour laws in Mexico. I gave them all I had. Just a waste of my precious time and youth. I now have my private practice as a psychotherapist. I did not dare to do that before because I was afraid I would not make it. So silly of me. I am now the most happy person. I hated. the 9-5 job every single day. Xo
I saw your channel. I didn't understand the langauge though :)
thank you for sharing your story with me. Sounds like you figured out a good life for yourself.
have a great 2024 🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@TomScryleus Thank you for visiting my channel! I have finally figured out a good life for myself :D I think after 2020 we all started to figure out different ways of earning money. What happened in that year made us think out of the box. Xo
I've come to feel sorry for the people who have a 'strong work ethic"m value company loyalty, and are willing to die for their company even at a low-wage job. They gloat about all the overtime they rack up, how little sleep they get, how many hours they work as if it's a virtue. I've come to see it as a delusional coping mechanism that was handed down from previous generations. Gen Z is less susceptible and can see through the bullshit.
Viewing yourself as a contractor is an excellent way to see things. Most people grovel at companies and see themselves as serfs for being 'given a great opportunity'. Being a detached entity providing a service in exchange for money places oneself on equal ground.
I assume you are from gen Z. Let me tell you something, it was just a part played by employees from former generations. Everyone always he seem the bullshit, it's not a goft from your generation, you ha e nnot discovered anything new. It's like wearing a tie to work, it was expected. You are not at a higher ground because you don't have to wear suits to work. Actually, I doubt you could afford to wear suits, leather sole shoes, shinned weekly, having a couple of dozen silk ties and pay to laundry your cotton shirts. Companies don't pay nearly enough for an average employee to afford it. Don't be fooled, the relationship between enployer and employee has been the same forever, no generation handles it better than the other. Alright, you don't stay longer in the office. On the other hand, you are forever studying on your free time to stay relevant; companies used to train their employees during working hours. As to imagine yourself as a contractor, here in Brazil, it is becoming a factual reality: companies "force" people to become one man companies, and hire them for the tasks. No salary, no health insurance, no unions, no rights. In the beginning, it's nice. Later when everyone has been forced to do the same and competition increases, people are back into working as slaves.
really spot on. your points are well organized and major things that people don't get; I hate how coworkers never get mad when someone is unjustly fired. I defended someone from unjust actions from a supervisor, and when the supervisor turned on me instead; they did nothing at all.
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This video is a revelation for me, thank you
thank you. Im glad you enjoyed the video.
have a great weekend.
I know someone who worked for a large company for 13 years. They started at the bottom and worked their way up to management. The company had made some acquisitions that did not return the expected profits. They laid this person off as well as a few thousand others.
its terrible. And I've heard several very similar stories.