Quote- "..the Air Accidents Investigation Branch concluded that Allison had manually operated the cooling system of the Daimler Benz DB605A engine into a level of overheating, and had interpreted the thermostat-controlled release of coolant fluid to be an indicator of imminent engine failure."-unquote. Hmm, perhaps he should have taken a leaf out of legendary pilot Eric 'Winkle' Brown's book who, when he was asked why he never had a serious crash replied- "Because I made sure I was totally familiar with everything about the aircraft systems before I took off".
well … that‘s why legends set themself apart from self confident non skilled pilots … Brown was a legend, and a humble man … that‘s the difference : skilled and humble
I was fortunate enough to see this aircraft flying at Duxford a year or so before. It was to be the one and only time l ever watched a Bf109 flying with a Benz engine..Now of course there are few original engined 109's flying but back then they were indeed a very rare sight....
what a misfortune and what an achievement by the people who got them back into the air and flying. Many thanks to our fair opponents at the time. I live in Kassel, where these machines were manufactured. maybe this one too. I wish you all that you never lose your commitment and above all that we never fight against each other again. We don't deserve that. Best regards
Thankyou, and greetings from England. I notice that when Putin threw a tantrum and Ukrainians were fleeing by train, Germans were the first to crowd the platforms, holding up signs saying how many refugees they could provide house room for.
We have a piece of Black 6 at the Kent Battle of Britain Museum.. still it's wonderful she was restored and yes she was rebuilt to flying condition after the accident, but the chap who procured her for the restoration Russ Snadden it was decided not to renew the permit to fly due to her rarity as her registration was cancelled in 2000.. so she's a static now albeit in an airworthy condition.. she's now at Hendon..
Thank you for sharing this video and what an incredible aircraft and with it being the only one flying from the Second World War a shame that it crashed.With the Spitfires,Hurricanes,Bf109 and FW190 ALL these aircraft need to be flying in memory of the brave airman that flew these at there limit in combat.Thank you once again for share.
I was a child of around 10 years old when this happened. I was busy for most of the display building a Meccano set downstairs in the control tower, I was usually left here as my late father John chillingworth was dealing with aircraft for the old flying machine company (he was the chief jet engineer). I vividly remember walking over to the window as the 109 came to land and then seeing its tail flip up and over. Dad was furious after the crash as he’d wanted to get a group of people over there with a rope to flip the aircraft over and get the pilot out due to fuel potentially leaking down on top of him However was prevented by red tape. Not sure how long it took to get the crane etc there and get the pilot out but it seemed like an eternity. After the crash I’d always go on the hunt for it around duxford seeing if anything had been done with it. I’m pleased its in another museum now and hopefully will one day go and see it again!
This video was from a VHS copy I edited at the time. Along with the news items. The original recordings were on S VHS. So till I find the originals, I don`t know what was happening on the rest of this show
I read in the accident report years ago that the pilot asked them not to smash the canopy etc to get him out; he’d turned everything off and was concerned that there be no more damage to the airframe.
Barnaby: what did Sir John Allison say caused the crash? He came in very hot, it appeared to me. Fast. Landing long. Did he not have power to make a Go Around? Some malfunction? Or was this simply the often seen pilot error? Going to guess: if my name begins with "Sir" I'm not likely to admit I did anything wrong. Somehow it was the machine's fault, right? : ) Oh well, I should pre-judge or be judgmental. Others may judge my own mishap someday. But it probably won't be in a BF-109. Glad you commented. Reminds me old times with my dad at airshows in the SE US in the 70s. Good days gone by. Was blessed to see and hear many a Warbird, but I don't remember ever seeing one of these. The sound starting up was amazing, and the whine of the supercharger on coming out of the chocks, not to mention to high speed passes. The more i think about it . . . what happened, Sir John? He's probably not with us now.
Heck that turbo or supercharger the aircraft uses sure sounds good. The Spitfire and Mustang are also awesome. Too bad the crash happened, and no serious injuries reported.
@@ricardoroberto7054 The bent crankshaft can't be duplicated because it has a cannon barrel running through it and it's not economically feasible to repair or replace it.
A big thank you to the extraordinary efforts of Russ Snadden and the amazing team he gathered and maintained to restore Black 6 to flying condition. I saw it flying at numerous airshows and was deeply disappointed when it was to be grounded. Given this accident, its great that it has survived in fine static condition with the RAF Museum at Hendon and now at Cosford.
I don't think he was even qualified to fly the 109, he had next to no experience on it, but due to it still being an MOD plane, he pulled rank to get a flight. As mentioned, he had no business being in that plane!
A very sad ending to a beautiful piece of history Never should have been flown by a novice pilot or someone that was not familiar with this beautiful piece of German engineering
Honestly, Sir John got it all wrong, and frankly should never have been displaying this aircraft. 18 hours is not long enough to have sorted out all the idiosyncracies of the Me 109, which was a known difficult aircraft that killed a lot of young German pilots in training. He should never have been approaching downwind, and he was going far too fast. He had no chance of getting that aircraft down in one piece for these two mistakes alone. He should have gone around and come back and landed into wind and the crash would never have happened. Bottom line..... Never get a "Jet Jockey" to fly a piston engined aircraft with only just 18 hours on type, regardless of what rank he held in the RAF!!
Ray Hanna was a "jet jockey" and he did okay 😉 Most warbird display pilots had relatively low time on each type back then due to operating costs and time constraints. The aircraft were also hour limited because they needed a fairly major check after 50hrs flying and a complete strip down every 100 hours. That was usually done in the winter months. John Allison was an experienced display pilot with time on many warbird types. I flew with him once - in a Messerschmitt funnily enough - and had no concerns whatsoever.
Duxford: The Last Flight of Bf 109 Black 6 on 12th October 1997" is a poignant and historically significant event. It's a testament to the dedication of aviation enthusiasts and the importance of preserving our aviation heritage.
I was very fortunate to see this aircraft fly ....obviously against a Mk lX Spitfire ! The 109 aircraft had the same resonance as the Spitfire but the engine had a more noticeable supercharger noise but much quiteter than the Merlin . On reflection...a very fortunate moment .....
I was there that day, and what surprised me, and doesn't seem to be mentioned in the report was that he was trying to land downwind. All aircraft were taking off left to right from the flight line, as he did in the video the engine sounded like it was still running well at the time, and sadly it looked like he panicked, and cut the final dogleg short. I would say a 109 is not an aircraft to try downwind landings, as demonstrated.
He was attempting a go around and his motor stopped making power. You can clearly hear it. He wasn't a half mile past the runway and Reduced power. NO ONE would do that. That engine was not running right....
From Wikipedia Allison was piloting the last airworthy Second World War German Messerschmitt Bf 109 when he made a forced landing at an air show in Duxford in October 1997. The incident occurred on the aircraft's last planned flight before being placed as permanent static display at RAF Duxford.[5] Allison had 4,612 hours of flying experience across his career, though only 18 hours on this particular aircraft type. A report by the Air Accidents Investigation Branch concluded that Allison had manually operated the cooling system of the Daimler Benz DB605A engine into a level of overheating, and had interpreted the thermostat-controlled release of coolant fluid to be an indicator of imminent engine failure. Allison made an attempt to land at the designated airstrip but approached too fast, aborting landing and climbing to an altitude to pass over the M11 motorway. Allison then attempted to land in a ploughed field nearby, but the aircraft nosed over and the pilot became trapped until rescue workers arrived.[6] Alison was unharmed.[5] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allison_(RAF_officer)
@@stevewayne1359 The Hans Dittes, Daimler Benz re-engined Ha-112 Buchon was also around in the mid 90`s. I should have some video of it with Black 6 at Duxford. warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66108 vintageaviationecho.com/mark-hanna-pt-4/ And Wiki pages on the Buchon, & Avia S-199 Hispano Aviación HA-1112 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispano_Aviaci%C3%B3n_HA-1112 And the Avia S-199 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avia_S-199
The cooling systems on the 109 were very temperamental and by today's standards borderline inadequate as compared to a Spitfire. Germans at the time didn't spend the necessary time and resources to increase the pressure on their cooling system of the 605 as well as radiator design and development during the war. Inproper understanding on how to operate the cooling doors and indicators by pilot looked to be the possible cause of the mishap?. Black 6 will forever be remembered as an iconic symbol of the ingeniousness that went into building such badass flying machines from the 40's . Long live Black 6!
Was there that day , i don't think anyone could believe what was happening such a shame but no one was killed and the aircraft is now complete and in a museum .
My wife was a reporter for BBC Radio Cambridgeshire and was sent along to the show to report on this aircraft's last flight. Much to many envious onlookers she was invited to sit in the cockpit (she was, at the time, scared of flying and did so reluctantly.) On getting out she gashed her foot on one of the controls and it left a scar. We call it her Messeschmitt war wound. One of the questions she asked the pilot was how do you get out if there was an accident. "Oh you wouldn't" he replied. When it was upside down I gather the pilot was more concerned about the damage to the aircraft in getting him out than anything else! During the show she did what is known as a "two way" with Radio 5 Live about the last flight and they said they'd come back to her later. When they did, she was asked how the flight went, only to tell them it had crashed!
@ R.G.D = You said "I gather the pilot was more concerned about the damage to the aircraft in getting him out" With bitter irony, Allison told them, "DON'T CUT ME OUT WITH THAT AXE , YOU'LL DAMAGE THE AIRCRAFT" What a dickhead !!!!!!! "Um, LIKE YOU HAVEN'T SMASHED THE PLANE UP ENOUGH ALREADY ?" If it wasn't for him, Allison, panicking like a 12-y/o wetting his knickers, this WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED I wouldn't let him fly a desk
You don't understand how a semi-monocoque stressed skin structure works. @@hawnyfox3411 . You brave little hero you, you'd have gone around again with fumes in the cockpit? One thing worse than being abusive online is being abusive and looking like a know-nothing.
It would seem that he came in way too hot and was trying to force it down. White vapour could have been coolant from the "overheating " engine. Well done Air Chief Marshal Sir John Allison should have stuck to flying his desk. It did look like he was giving it some beans.
Seems a little unfair. I met Sir John at Old Warden some time after this happened, he was very interesting to talk to and gave me a good explanation of flying various Shuttleworth aircraft including the Hurricane and Spitfire, together with showing me their very comprehensive pilot reference cards kept in the cockpit with various data on speeds, control settings and other aids to flying. He was very complimentary about the Hurricane, especially its handling which he liked. Maybe if the Bf-109 had some better information for the pilot he would have fared better at Duxford, but the reality is that these are old high-performance aircraft and taking them into the air so they can be seen and heard is a risk but on balance needs to be taken because one day they will not fly again. Remember that the original standard of engine installation in these aircraft was inadequate due to inexperience of the operators, and was not really improved as the service life of aircraft in wartime was often a few hours, it wasn't until much later that measures were put in place to extend the engine life with automatic coolant and throttle/boost control.
Bottom line is if you get in an airplane and take off you had better know how to fly the thing, anything else is just a bunch of excuses. Your boy attempted a downwind landing (why???), floated the length of the runway and missed doing a go-around when he could and should have. And IF he pulled rank to get in that plane.....there are just not enough words insulting enough to describe him. @@BrianMorrison
@@peteredridge9559 = Well said, esp' that latter part = Spot on I wouldn't trust that overpaid & over-rated moron to drive a scooter, or a kid's tricycle How in God's name he EVER reached A.V.M is beyond me - Must've been a Mason, or into "buggery"
In the accident report there was mention of one engine switch that was not in its full indent position; pilot had thought it was; this caused the glycol smoke emission which led him to think he needed to get the plane down pronto and as has been pointed out, he was way too fast on finals. Can’t remember what this particular switch was but clearly it had something to do with engine management.
I was there! You can hear those crosswinds in the footage. It was wonderful to see her fly but they probably should have kept her on the ground that day.
It was in my last months living in Cambridge when this happened, before returning home to Switzerland. I have seen it flying a couple of times previously. It radiated this mean sound and looks of a very dark past empire so to speak.
18 hours PIC is quite a bit on an aircraft that was limited in its total annual hours flying time. The DB600 series in their later variants had a pretty sophisticated engine management system which included the cooling shutters,prop pitch and boost. The Spitfire and the Mustang were much more hands on and in a display like that need careful manual adjustments to stop overheating or overspeed on the prop. I have a feeling that this was a case of “I’ve done it this way all my life” when unfortunately it might have been better to leave it to the admittedly obscure and quite unique automated systems.
I'd wager those 18 hrs were probably on Spitfires - There's NO WAY he had '18 hrs' on that '109 Allison was like a wrecking ball in a China shop, on steroids Sickening irony is, he told the Camb's Fire crew - "Don't cut me out with an axe, you'll damage the plane" 🤗 Yeah, Right = After you've "concertinaed the fuselage" & almost killed folks on the M.11 - Yeah, right What a clown
Just re-watched the 109 landing, and , yes, he landed right-to-left, opposite of every other takeoff- i wonder if there was a momentary reversal of wind direction, ... or just the engine started to give problems, and pilot decided to get 109 on ground as soon as possible. Good to she is still intact, for all pf us to be able to see and touch "physical living history". ;)
I have always wondered why he firstly tried to land down-wind and then when it was obvious that he was running out of runway he did not do a go-around?
He had made the engine and radiators overheat by mishandling of the radiator controls (not putting them into either auto nor open), then he began to lose power, so tried to put a fast plane down more than halfway down the runway, down-wind and the plane suffered his consequences. He might have flown further down the runway, and gained a better chance to land down-wind, but chose not to.
They're annoying. I saw a video of a Vulcan and all you could hear was the commentator. Luckily there are a few videos of XH558 (?) not at an air show, where you see how wonderful that flies...and that HOWL!!!
I remember that. I was gutted. It meant that all we had left was buchons. I still haven't heard or seen a real 109: and I'm 58 now. Wonder if I ever will
Well this one was going to be retired permanently to a museum after this flight anyway so you still wouldn't have seen / heard it fly even if it hadn't have crashed.
Had a quick Google. Last year there were 2 genuine Bf 109`s flying www.outono.net/elentir/2022/10/25/two-original-messerschmitt-bf-109s-of-the-world-war-ii-still-airworthy/
Just wondering. I’ve flown a Spitfire XVI, Sea Fury, Harvard . I’m a civilian pilot with lots of tail wheel time ie Cessna 185 and 180. When I strarted rebuilding the Spit. I noticed most of the War bird crashes were flown by Military pilots. Could it be they are not well trained enough and are given credit for being better than they really are when it comes to these aircraft?
Because Allison was a dickhead who panicked & flapped like a rank amateur rookie He must've "noshed some cock" to get promoted over the years to reach A.V.M or whatever it was
@@GilbertdeClare0704 Ooh, I just thought in my mind that pilots that were certified to fly war birds weren't the type to panic. But I think your rite. We are all humans. The stress of flying that plane in a airshow would be a challenge. It's a beautifully restored aircraft. I am straight up proud American but I love the BF-109 series of fighters👍 They were beautiful like the P-51, Zero, the P-38, the Spitfire, the Mosquito and so many others.
@@AZAce1064 😊Totally agree re the stress factor, but from other comments, it seems that the "Air Chief Marshall SIR John Allison" "pulled rank" to fly that beautifully restored Bf-109 that day. In US military, that would be like a Five Star General rocking up and "suggesting" he flies. There is another video where you can hear his condescending attitude to ATC as he starts to panic ? It was clearly Pilot ERROR, quickly hushed up because of his Rank and Knighthood. That beautiful bird paid the price for his arrogance. She will never fly again. In the words of a friend of mine who had restored a 1939 Tiger Moth, "Their souls only really come alive when they are up in the air !".......ps👍👍👍for staying PROUD American. I have relatives in Virginia and several good friends in Kentucky and Arkansas👍👍👍... My dad was on Spitfires during BoB, but I still LOVE the P47, P51 and have done aerobatics in PT17 and AT-6, but LOVE that sleek sharklike look of the Bf-109😊😊😊
I see others commenting that it was a forced landing, so he had some kind of system failure or emergency, making a go-around unlikely. Plus, there is a great risk of flipping the aircraft when opening the throttle at such low speed, due to the massive torque produced by that engine/prop. Many WWII pilots died that way. So I guess the lesser risk was to just roll off the end of the runway and hope for the best.
@@greggrace967 = = A situation bought about ENTIRELY BY THE PILOT HIMSELF He panicked & flapped & bought this all on by himself - open the gills so as NOT to overheat When it did (spill Glycol), he completely lost his composure (& reasoning) & trashed a perfectly good plane Russ Snadden & his team must've been apoplectic with rage
@@hawnyfox3411precisely. Excellent post. I never saw this sad display until just now. Sickening. Came in too hot off a bank. Much longer, flatter approach needed. Pilot error absolutely.
An oil line on the engine blew. The plane was re-restored and grounded perrmanently.. Allegedly, her original German pilot was offered a chance to fly it. He refused, making the remark that the plane had had enough opportunities to kill him. Should have told anybody all they needed to know.
All the information you need is in the accident report. It wasn’t an oil line. As for offering the wartime pilot the chance to fly it that’s not true, it was only flown by a select few RAF pilots
^^ A.V.M John Allison WAS tugging himself off AND pulling on the wrong stick Too busy tugging his tiny pink penis 'Joystick', INSTEAD of sorting out the radiator gills From "Oooh, can I have a go at your '109" to "Oh God I've made a F'kn hash of it" Shame he wasn't wiped-out in the crash Laughable what HE said to the Camb's Fire Brigade crew who crossed the ploughed field.... "DON'T USE AN AXE TO CUT ME OUT , YOU'LL DAMAGE THE PLANE" = laughable irony, if ever.... Don't worry Sir John Allison - Anything the Axe WILL do, won't be 1/1000th of what YOU've just caused !! .
Having seen this aircraft at the July warbirds weekend that year I had forgotten it used an inertia startup.I also seem to remember that it was actually an Hispano built in spain? Great aircraft with the upside down V12 and dry sump.Duxford warbirds weekend I went to many times and was all about the sound and smell if you got a good pitch where the aircraft did all their run up checks.
I was wondering why they were pulling the engine through like a radial. I didn't know the engines were inverted in a 109, they were clearing out any oil.
@@rooms1028 The Hispano Aviacion HA-1112 Buchon had originally a Hispano V12, but later a R/R with a 'chin' radiator so had a nose profile similar to the Spit. Whereas The war-time Bf 109 had the DG 605 V12 inverted, hence the noticeably different nose.
@@Jimmythefish577 What a fecking childish response. Anyone is allowed an opinion on any subject without the need for them to be some kind of certified experienced expert.
@@tb100 At last someone is actually thinking. Was a major loss of engine power. Just enough to hop the fence and highway. Position and height when it occurred did not allow approach from the other direction.
He clearly had engine issues. No 4000 hour pilot would attempt a carrier landing with a priceless warbird unless he thought he needed to make the field....NOW. If you look closely you can see smoke during the display, a sign oil was bypassing the rings most likely
Yep, those repeated attempts to get the engine to turn over would have been red flags to me. I kept thinking it's unlikely the Germans would have produced a fighter that was so hard to start, so something is not mechanically right with this plane, or else the ground crew/pilot are doing something wrong.
Well bloody hell, at least it's not burnt up, just fix it up a bit for the Museum. It don't even have to be airworthy again. Then the old toerag can be ashamed by it
On take off and landing, the tail was up right away, and almost beyond horizontal so that it might have nosed into the ground. I knew something was gonna happen since it seemed the pilot was not quite proficient at flying the plane. What a shame… the only one left flying!! Who approved the pilot for this flight???
He approved himself, I understand. He should have been more aware of the design problems, noticed his own mishandling of the radiator controls, not landed down-wind at high speed half-way along the runway... the list goes on.
He had no choice with loss of engine power. Had to get down quickly with no choice of a go around. With what little power he had, he had to make it over the fence and highway.
^^ Congrats R.G = Comedian in the room.... Given that Me.109's & in particular "Black.6" has ZERO "carburettors" it's an impossibility Fuel Injection = No carb's
Shame, but good the aircraft wasn't a total lose, as for the pilot, Allison, sadly he will always be remembered for this one day, his whole RAF career focused on a decision he made about an over heating engine.
Info from here. No room for an electric starter on wartime Bf 1091`s, due to the ammunition magazines being in the way. Other aircraft that used DB engines could be fitted with electric starters forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=52844
@@251hanomag AL-SGC 24 DR 2-starters made by Bosch and Auto-Union for german WW II-fighters came with electric motors from the factory which is honestly the smallest part compared to the bulky flywheel-housing mounted between the motor and the engine-coupling. The electric motor faces towards the firewall, yes, but if there was no room for that tiny thing Bf-109s engine compartement truly would be a bad design. Photographs and drawings of Bf-109 G-2 cockpits show the starter switch we also know from G-6es. I would guess british historic aviation members refer cranking even big fighter engines to be 'typical german' as there is wartime footage, where mechanics do it mostly just by one hand and with only a couple of revolutions. These scenes actually show supporting cranks to protect the onboard batteries as the electric starter consumes most energy while running up.
Had never seen this aircraft display before, it was beautiful up until the unfortunate crash. It would seem a bad decision made by a very experienced pilot, who I understand also flew for the Shuttleworth collection. Just wish I hadn't read the comments below and the character assasination by these perfect individuals, whom have never erred. I was always thought that most Brits were modest and classy bunch, but that was in the past I guess.
I fully expected him to throttle up and get airborne again, that thing was going too fast, wasn't sure even if it was a demonstration, until it became clear. Besides that, looking at the landing gear of that 109 it's easy to see why so many were lost to landing accidents. That thing looks like a nightmare to land even in good conditions, imagine with strong wings, and the torque of an engine too powerful for such a small and light frame made it even harder.
This Allison character's arrogance caused the crash! You must know all about the aircraft before you fly it. I would have never let that idiot get near it!!
That was perhaps the Bf-109's greatest flaw, the narrow track landing gear. It made takeoffs and landings, especially, difficult. Many Bf-109's were lost in accidents.
@Jeno826 Yes, because of HIS own stupidity & ineptitude - He created a disaster of his own making Once he caused the disaster & set the chain in motion, he added to it, by panicking like leg-a wetting schoolgirl He should NOT have even been allowed to fly A DESK , never mind a 55 y/o aircraft worth millions (back then)
it was pilot error … so basically another one that has proven that the Me 109 was not easy to fly and land … it‘s not a coincidence that some 11.000 of the 35.000 built Me 109 crashed at landing …
Many air display pilots seem to go nuts and throw the planes around without any display training at all, I sometimes think more planes have been lost at airshows than in all the world wars combined..:)
It was on it`s last planned flight. Before going to Hendon museum. So it was repaired. Also using it`s original parts, that were not suitable for flight. And is now in Cosford museum
I don't know all that much about aviation--especially these old warbirds. But it looked to me like the plane didn't want to quit flying. I wondered if the throttle was stuck and he just couldn't make it stall just above touch down. He DID touch down and then the plane got airborne again. It wouldn't quit flying. He seemed to be an experienced pilot. Was it pilot error, or two problems with the aircraft? Doesn't matter. He's okay. The plane got broken.
Looked to me like the pilot didn't have much tailwheel airplane experience and didn't keep "happy feet" on the rudders to maintain Bf 109 - Black 6 stabilized on runway centerline.
Bf-109s in general tend to extensively flatten out on the final. German WW II-Ace Erich Hartmann once pointed out on landing they need to be handled like gliders. Just a bit too much speed and altitude makes the runway pretty short hence a tailwind approach is an absolute no-no on a Bf-109. This pilot screwed up pretty much everything beginning by mishandling the engine in flight to cause an overheating situation followed by an overhasty landing attempt while the engine still worked properly.
For whatever reason (tailwind, stress, or a combination of the two) he came in too fast and ran(!) out of runway, plain and simple. The plane kept 'floating' and my guess is that when realizing this he forced the wheels to the ground using the elevator, hoping that the momentary friction would slow the plane down enough to settle on the ground after a bounce or two. It turned out, however, to involve a bounce too many.
Im fortunate enough to own a CD of the start procedure and full flying envelope of this exact aircraft. Magnificent sounds form such a wonderful machine.
Bob I had that CD .. bought it at Reno from a gal who told me her husband recorded it with microphones placed just so along the field it was and is amazing!! She heard me asking about John Dilly and took me aside and told me what happened in Oshkosh the week before. John had a heart attack while in a flight "mustang" his parents where my neighbors. I went to school with his son. And promised i would go to Reno and watch him fly the race. I was a year late. But yes great audio on that CD!!
Quote- "..the Air Accidents Investigation Branch concluded that Allison had manually operated the cooling system of the Daimler Benz DB605A engine into a level of overheating, and had interpreted the thermostat-controlled release of coolant fluid to be an indicator of imminent engine failure."-unquote.
Hmm, perhaps he should have taken a leaf out of legendary pilot Eric 'Winkle' Brown's book who, when he was asked why he never had a serious crash replied- "Because I made sure I was totally familiar with everything about the aircraft systems before I took off".
well … that‘s why legends set themself apart from self confident non skilled pilots …
Brown was a legend, and a humble man … that‘s the difference :
skilled and humble
@@doncarlo5 Well said!
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Shame on him. His ego was bigger than his talent.
After a long restoration,letting the wrong pilot,
Is just sad.
The engine quit on his go around!! You can plainly hear it not making power!! Geez....
@@greggrace967 Pilot error. Mismanagement of the coolant system, failure to reduce airspeed for landing.
@@ButchNackley it doesn't matter what caused it, it still remains a reduced power accident.
@@ButchNackley even If it's brought on by poor problem solving and not being a good fit for a bird that rare.
Troll!@@greggrace967
I was fortunate enough to see this aircraft flying at Duxford a year or so before. It was to be the one and only time l ever watched a Bf109 flying with a Benz engine..Now of course there are few original engined 109's flying but back then they were indeed a very rare sight....
what a misfortune and what an achievement by the people who got them back into the air and flying. Many thanks to our fair opponents at the time. I live in Kassel, where these machines were manufactured. maybe this one too. I wish you all that you never lose your commitment and above all that we never fight against each other again. We don't deserve that. Best regards
Thankyou, and greetings from England. I notice that when Putin threw a tantrum and Ukrainians were fleeing by train, Germans were the first to crowd the platforms, holding up signs saying how many refugees they could provide house room for.
You're going to have to fight together.
yes, together against this the unspeakable despot in Russia.@@tomasinacovell4293
@@tomasinacovell4293 Yes, unfortunately, against the crazy Putin in Russia. We had such a lovely, peaceful time. Now we have to be vigilant together.
@@rookie1525 seems like 1941 has been forgotten...what a crazy idea, high time for war mongers
That was just a cool-looking airplane, and the sound it makes is amazing.
Thank you for posting this video.
Hopefully you have a few more to upload from your archive!
Yes i have some more interesting stuff to come
@@251hanomag Fantastic! Looking forward to them!
We have a piece of Black 6 at the Kent Battle of Britain Museum.. still it's wonderful she was restored and yes she was rebuilt to flying condition after the accident, but the chap who procured her for the restoration Russ Snadden it was decided not to renew the permit to fly due to her rarity as her registration was cancelled in 2000.. so she's a static now albeit in an airworthy condition.. she's now at Hendon..
At Cosford isnt it? Was a few weeks ago, has been for years.
@Stephen.C. Sorry, yes she's now at Cosford.. she's been there since 2016..
Thank you for sharing this video and what an incredible aircraft and with it being the only one flying from the Second World War a shame that it crashed.With the Spitfires,Hurricanes,Bf109 and FW190 ALL these aircraft need to be flying in memory of the brave airman that flew these at there limit in combat.Thank you once again for share.
I was a child of around 10 years old when this happened. I was busy for most of the display building a Meccano set downstairs in the control tower, I was usually left here as my late father John chillingworth was dealing with aircraft for the old flying machine company (he was the chief jet engineer). I vividly remember walking over to the window as the 109 came to land and then seeing its tail flip up and over. Dad was furious after the crash as he’d wanted to get a group of people over there with a rope to flip the aircraft over and get the pilot out due to fuel potentially leaking down on top of him However was prevented by red tape. Not sure how long it took to get the crane etc there and get the pilot out but it seemed like an eternity. After the crash I’d always go on the hunt for it around duxford seeing if anything had been done with it. I’m pleased its in another museum now and hopefully will one day go and see it again!
This video was from a VHS copy I edited at the time. Along with the news items.
The original recordings were on S VHS. So till I find the originals, I don`t know what was happening on the rest of this show
I read in the accident report years ago that the pilot asked them not to smash the canopy etc to get him out; he’d turned everything off and was concerned that there be no more damage to the airframe.
As your father did, I equally hate "red tape"
Barnaby: what did Sir John Allison say caused the crash? He came in very hot, it appeared to me. Fast. Landing long.
Did he not have power to make a Go Around? Some malfunction? Or was this simply the often seen pilot error?
Going to guess: if my name begins with "Sir" I'm not likely to admit I did anything wrong. Somehow it was the machine's fault, right? : )
Oh well, I should pre-judge or be judgmental. Others may judge my own mishap someday. But it probably won't be in a BF-109. Glad you commented. Reminds me old times with my dad at airshows in the SE US in the 70s. Good days gone by. Was blessed to see and hear many a Warbird, but I don't remember ever seeing one of these. The sound starting up was amazing, and the whine of the supercharger on coming out of the chocks, not to mention to high speed passes. The more i think about it . . . what happened, Sir John? He's probably not with us now.
Heck that turbo or supercharger the aircraft uses sure sounds good. The Spitfire and Mustang are also awesome. Too bad the crash happened, and no serious injuries reported.
18 hrs. in it and he's doing an airshow and pushing it balls to the wall. I'd still be kicking his ass everyday, all day long since 97.
Bobby Gibbs, RAAF, found the aircraft in North Africa, flew it there, regarded it as his, and was extremely pissed off when it was pranged.
A lot of people who wear pilot wings are one trick ponies. Unfortunately, a lot of those same people are total a$$hats. 🤠
Did not know this.. thanks for the update ! ;)
A massive understatement if ever I read one!
BG was also not happy when he had to give his 109 to the Brits..
15:30
Black 6 was repaired and currently sits in Cosford museum. They have done a superb job and she looks A1.
Is it flying? If not it is a waste of time, visiting!
Can it fly again? A shame if it can't. Those old warlords are beautiful
@@Jgasporrap although it looks exactly the same I understand it was repaired to static condition.
I read somewhere it will NEVERfly again.
@@ricardoroberto7054 The bent crankshaft can't be duplicated because it has a cannon barrel running through it and it's not economically feasible to repair or replace it.
A big thank you to the extraordinary efforts of Russ Snadden and the amazing team he gathered and maintained to restore Black 6 to flying condition.
I saw it flying at numerous airshows and was deeply disappointed when it was to be grounded.
Given this accident, its great that it has survived in fine static condition with the RAF Museum at Hendon and now at Cosford.
I don't think he was even qualified to fly the 109, he had next to no experience on it, but due to it still being an MOD plane, he pulled rank to get a flight.
As mentioned, he had no business being in that plane!
This pilot should not have been anywhere near this aircraft
Those who put so many hours into restoring the unique aircraft must have been gutted when this happened.
They needed to remind the pilot. "You break our airplane, You pay for it!" 🤠
sadly its all to common , seams no1 qualification for airshow pilot is wreckless / incompetent prick.
A very sad ending to a beautiful piece of history
Never should have been flown by a novice pilot or someone that was not familiar with this beautiful piece of German engineering
Honestly, Sir John got it all wrong, and frankly should never have been displaying this aircraft. 18 hours is not long enough to have sorted out all the idiosyncracies of the Me 109, which was a known difficult aircraft that killed a lot of young German pilots in training. He should never have been approaching downwind, and he was going far too fast. He had no chance of getting that aircraft down in one piece for these two mistakes alone. He should have gone around and come back and landed into wind and the crash would never have happened.
Bottom line..... Never get a "Jet Jockey" to fly a piston engined aircraft with only just 18 hours on type, regardless of what rank he held in the RAF!!
Ray Hanna was a "jet jockey" and he did okay 😉 Most warbird display pilots had relatively low time on each type back then due to operating costs and time constraints. The aircraft were also hour limited because they needed a fairly major check after 50hrs flying and a complete strip down every 100 hours. That was usually done in the winter months. John Allison was an experienced display pilot with time on many warbird types. I flew with him once - in a Messerschmitt funnily enough - and had no concerns whatsoever.
Sir John. Says it all.
Duxford: The Last Flight of Bf 109 Black 6 on 12th October 1997" is a poignant and historically significant event. It's a testament to the dedication of aviation enthusiasts and the importance of preserving our aviation heritage.
Jhkk
I was very fortunate to see this aircraft fly ....obviously against a Mk lX Spitfire ! The 109 aircraft had the same resonance as the Spitfire but the engine had a more noticeable supercharger noise but much quiteter than the Merlin . On reflection...a very fortunate moment .....
I was there that day, and what surprised me, and doesn't seem to be mentioned in the report
was that he was trying to land downwind. All aircraft were taking off left to right from the flight line, as he did in the video
the engine sounded like it was still running well at the time, and sadly it looked like he panicked, and cut the final dogleg short. I would say a 109 is not an aircraft to try downwind landings, as demonstrated.
Shouldn't land any plane down wind if you can avoid it, especially a hot rod.
He was attempting a go around and his motor stopped making power. You can clearly hear it. He wasn't a half mile past the runway and Reduced power. NO ONE would do that. That engine was not running right....
@@greggrace967 No, he panicked and messed it up, thats all there is to it.
Whatever......
@@greggrace967 🤣 There's no whatever about it lol, that IS what happened. Sorry if that upsets you.
It sure was a fine running and sounding war bird during that flight and glad it was repaired afterwards.
Not to flying condition unfortunately
@@winklton Yeah . . . that's tragic.
From Wikipedia Allison was piloting the last airworthy Second World War German Messerschmitt Bf 109 when he made a forced landing at an air show in Duxford in October 1997. The incident occurred on the aircraft's last planned flight before being placed as permanent static display at RAF Duxford.[5] Allison had 4,612 hours of flying experience across his career, though only 18 hours on this particular aircraft type. A report by the Air Accidents Investigation Branch concluded that Allison had manually operated the cooling system of the Daimler Benz DB605A engine into a level of overheating, and had interpreted the thermostat-controlled release of coolant fluid to be an indicator of imminent engine failure. Allison made an attempt to land at the designated airstrip but approached too fast, aborting landing and climbing to an altitude to pass over the M11 motorway. Allison then attempted to land in a ploughed field nearby, but the aircraft nosed over and the pilot became trapped until rescue workers arrived.[6] Alison was unharmed.[5] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allison_(RAF_officer)
@@stevewayne1359 The Hans Dittes, Daimler Benz re-engined Ha-112 Buchon was also around in the mid 90`s.
I should have some video of it with Black 6 at Duxford.
warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66108
vintageaviationecho.com/mark-hanna-pt-4/
And Wiki pages on the Buchon, & Avia S-199
Hispano Aviación HA-1112
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispano_Aviaci%C3%B3n_HA-1112
And the Avia S-199
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avia_S-199
When I started to do airshows more regularly in the mid 1980`s
The Germans were a Pilatas 2, and a Bf108.
So it was nice to see the Buchon`s !
Highly unimpressive performance from Alison.
@@stevewayne1359jeez you’d think you owned it the way you’re going on. Take a chill pill before you stroke out.
@@Jimmythefish577 If I had owned it it would not have crashed. Clearly you do not realise the importance or rarity of original vintage warbirds
The cooling systems on the 109 were very temperamental and by today's standards borderline inadequate as compared to a Spitfire. Germans at the time didn't spend the necessary time and resources to increase the pressure on their cooling system of the 605 as well as radiator design and development during the war. Inproper understanding on how to operate the cooling doors and indicators by pilot looked to be the possible cause of the mishap?. Black 6 will forever be remembered as an iconic symbol of the ingeniousness that went into building such badass flying machines from the 40's . Long live Black 6!
I saw this a/c on another occasion. Unexpectedly. Heard a growling angry snarling roar, looked up and saw 109G. My blood ran cold!
WoW they 109 is one hell
Of a cool and beautiful aircraft. Wondebar
Was there that day , i don't think anyone could believe what was happening such a shame but no one was killed and the aircraft is now complete and in a museum .
My wife was a reporter for BBC Radio Cambridgeshire and was sent along to the show to report on this aircraft's last flight. Much to many envious onlookers she was invited to sit in the cockpit (she was, at the time, scared of flying and did so reluctantly.) On getting out she gashed her foot on one of the controls and it left a scar. We call it her Messeschmitt war wound. One of the questions she asked the pilot was how do you get out if there was an accident. "Oh you wouldn't" he replied. When it was upside down I gather the pilot was more concerned about the damage to the aircraft in getting him out than anything else! During the show she did what is known as a "two way" with Radio 5 Live about the last flight and they said they'd come back to her later. When they did, she was asked how the flight went, only to tell them it had crashed!
Nice final flight... the pilot almost ruined definitly a rare historical piece - and even at risk of brake his neck...
So she has a souvenir for lifetime to remember the 109's last flight!
Any self respecting man wouldn't allow his wife to do a "two way"......
@ R.G.D = You said "I gather the pilot was more concerned about the damage to the aircraft in getting him out"
With bitter irony, Allison told them, "DON'T CUT ME OUT WITH THAT AXE , YOU'LL DAMAGE THE AIRCRAFT"
What a dickhead !!!!!!! "Um, LIKE YOU HAVEN'T SMASHED THE PLANE UP ENOUGH ALREADY ?"
If it wasn't for him, Allison, panicking like a 12-y/o wetting his knickers, this WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED
I wouldn't let him fly a desk
You don't understand how a semi-monocoque stressed skin structure works. @@hawnyfox3411 . You brave little hero you, you'd have gone around again with fumes in the cockpit? One thing worse than being abusive online is being abusive and looking like a know-nothing.
It would seem that he came in way too hot and was trying to force it down. White vapour could have been coolant from the "overheating " engine. Well done Air Chief Marshal Sir John Allison should have stuck to flying his desk. It did look like he was giving it some beans.
Seems a little unfair. I met Sir John at Old Warden some time after this happened, he was very interesting to talk to and gave me a good explanation of flying various Shuttleworth aircraft including the Hurricane and Spitfire, together with showing me their very comprehensive pilot reference cards kept in the cockpit with various data on speeds, control settings and other aids to flying. He was very complimentary about the Hurricane, especially its handling which he liked. Maybe if the Bf-109 had some better information for the pilot he would have fared better at Duxford, but the reality is that these are old high-performance aircraft and taking them into the air so they can be seen and heard is a risk but on balance needs to be taken because one day they will not fly again. Remember that the original standard of engine installation in these aircraft was inadequate due to inexperience of the operators, and was not really improved as the service life of aircraft in wartime was often a few hours, it wasn't until much later that measures were put in place to extend the engine life with automatic coolant and throttle/boost control.
Bottom line is if you get in an airplane and take off you had better know how to fly the thing, anything else is just a bunch of excuses. Your boy attempted a downwind landing (why???), floated the length of the runway and missed doing a go-around when he could and should have. And IF he pulled rank to get in that plane.....there are just not enough words insulting enough to describe him. @@BrianMorrison
@@peteredridge9559 = Well said, esp' that latter part = Spot on
I wouldn't trust that overpaid & over-rated moron to drive a scooter, or a kid's tricycle
How in God's name he EVER reached A.V.M is beyond me - Must've been a Mason, or into "buggery"
Senior officers... know your place.... it's flying desks... not aircraft.
Walter, shut up!
@@martinbrode7131 Martin you're shouting again.
Na und? 🤣
Pilot error, pure and simple-but when involving such an aircraft as this..tragic.
Pilot error 👎
He was about 50 knots to fast on final, WTF ?. Mi avión favorito de todas las épocas. My favourite plane !.
He was going to go around and his engine stopped.
@ user-mg4fj7ix8k How many 109s have you flown? Clown.
@@greggrace967 The story at the time was an overheating engine due to the pilot error, i.e., not opening the cowl flaps!
I remember one of the local newspaper's headlines, The last RAF officer to bring down a German aircraft
Well, this way was close to friendly fire!
Now that is too funny!!! 😂😂😂
Ironic....
Jesper vogcthe UK? @@willmartin7293
In the accident report there was mention of one engine switch that was not in its full indent position; pilot had thought it was; this caused the glycol smoke emission which led him to think he needed to get the plane down pronto and as has been pointed out, he was way too fast on finals. Can’t remember what this particular switch was but clearly it had something to do with engine management.
PILOT ERROR...
I was there! You can hear those crosswinds in the footage. It was wonderful to see her fly but they probably should have kept her on the ground that day.
It was in my last months living in Cambridge when this happened, before returning home to Switzerland. I have seen it flying a couple of times previously. It radiated this mean sound and looks of a very dark past empire so to speak.
Maybe install an electric Starter ?
Wenn man bedenkt, dass einst kaum 20 jährige Piloten der deutschen Luftwaffe dieses Flugzeug im Kampfeinsatz beherrschen mussten und konnten...
And many died in non combat accidents of many causes !
Where is the plane now?
RAF Museum, Cosford
18 hours PIC is quite a bit on an aircraft that was limited in its total annual hours flying time.
The DB600 series in their later variants had a pretty sophisticated engine management system which included the cooling shutters,prop pitch and boost. The Spitfire and the Mustang were much more hands on and in a display like that need careful manual adjustments to stop overheating or overspeed on the prop.
I have a feeling that this was a case of “I’ve done it this way all my life” when unfortunately it might have been better to leave it to the admittedly obscure and quite unique automated systems.
So, to you the wind wasn't a factor, hmm, okay Steve Canyon, ha ha
I'd wager those 18 hrs were probably on Spitfires - There's NO WAY he had '18 hrs' on that '109
Allison was like a wrecking ball in a China shop, on steroids
Sickening irony is, he told the Camb's Fire crew - "Don't cut me out with an axe, you'll damage the plane" 🤗
Yeah, Right = After you've "concertinaed the fuselage" & almost killed folks on the M.11 - Yeah, right
What a clown
@@peterszar the guy was a lousy ex military pilot, what more do you want to know.. Look at him pitch the nose up with no power... moron.
What a beautiful aircraft
Just re-watched the 109 landing, and , yes, he landed right-to-left, opposite of every other takeoff- i wonder if there was a momentary reversal of wind direction, ... or just the engine started to give problems, and pilot decided to get 109 on ground as soon as possible. Good to she is still intact, for all pf us to be able to see and touch "physical living history". ;)
Mi avión favorito de todas las épocas. My favourite plane !😊
Meu também!
I have always wondered why he firstly tried to land down-wind and then when it was obvious that he was running out of runway he did not do a go-around?
He had made the engine and radiators overheat by mishandling of the radiator controls (not putting them into either auto nor open), then he began to lose power, so tried to put a fast plane down more than halfway down the runway, down-wind and the plane suffered his consequences.
He might have flown further down the runway, and gained a better chance to land down-wind, but chose not to.
Pity the commentator didnt shut up and leave us with that magnificent engine music
They're annoying. I saw a video of a Vulcan and all you could hear was the commentator. Luckily there are a few videos of XH558 (?) not at an air show, where you see how wonderful that flies...and that HOWL!!!
I remember that. I was gutted. It meant that all we had left was buchons. I still haven't heard or seen a real 109: and I'm 58 now. Wonder if I ever will
Well this one was going to be retired permanently to a museum after this flight anyway so you still wouldn't have seen / heard it fly even if it hadn't have crashed.
Had a quick Google. Last year there were 2 genuine Bf 109`s flying
www.outono.net/elentir/2022/10/25/two-original-messerschmitt-bf-109s-of-the-world-war-ii-still-airworthy/
Just wondering. I’ve flown a Spitfire XVI, Sea Fury, Harvard . I’m a civilian pilot with lots of tail wheel time ie Cessna 185 and 180. When I strarted rebuilding the Spit. I noticed most of the War bird crashes were flown by Military pilots. Could it be they are not well trained enough and are given credit for being better than they really are when it comes to these aircraft?
I'm no pilot but I am wondering why the pilot came in so fast and didn't go around.
Because Allison was a dickhead who panicked & flapped like a rank amateur rookie
He must've "noshed some cock" to get promoted over the years to reach A.V.M or whatever it was
He panicked and tried to land DOWN wind
@@GilbertdeClare0704 Ooh, I just thought in my mind that pilots that were certified to fly war birds weren't the type to panic. But I think your rite. We are all humans. The stress of flying that plane in a airshow would be a challenge. It's a beautifully restored aircraft. I am straight up proud American but I love the BF-109 series of fighters👍 They were beautiful like the P-51, Zero, the P-38, the Spitfire, the Mosquito and so many others.
@@AZAce1064 😊Totally agree re the stress factor, but from other comments, it seems that the "Air Chief Marshall SIR John Allison" "pulled rank" to fly that beautifully restored Bf-109 that day. In US military, that would be like a Five Star General rocking up and "suggesting" he flies. There is another video where you can hear his condescending attitude to ATC as he starts to panic ? It was clearly Pilot ERROR, quickly hushed up because of his Rank and Knighthood. That beautiful bird paid the price for his arrogance. She will never fly again. In the words of a friend of mine who had restored a 1939 Tiger Moth, "Their souls only really come alive when they are up in the air !".......ps👍👍👍for staying PROUD American. I have relatives in Virginia and several good friends in Kentucky and Arkansas👍👍👍... My dad was on Spitfires during BoB, but I still LOVE the P47, P51 and have done aerobatics in PT17 and AT-6, but LOVE that sleek sharklike look of the Bf-109😊😊😊
@@GilbertdeClare0704 Thank you, that makes a lot of sense now👍 Have a good one my friend ✌
Has it been fixed up?
Yes, years ago.
Originaly for static display in Hendon museum.
Now at Cosford museum
@@251hanomagok good
Botched to museum dusty exhibit standard
Why no go around? Unbelievable. What a fine airplane, fantastic sound.
I see others commenting that it was a forced landing, so he had some kind of system failure or emergency, making a go-around unlikely. Plus, there is a great risk of flipping the aircraft when opening the throttle at such low speed, due to the massive torque produced by that engine/prop. Many WWII pilots died that way. So I guess the lesser risk was to just roll off the end of the runway and hope for the best.
That's what he was attempting. A go around. The engine was overheated and stopped making power.
@@greggrace967 = = A situation bought about ENTIRELY BY THE PILOT HIMSELF
He panicked & flapped & bought this all on by himself - open the gills so as NOT to overheat
When it did (spill Glycol), he completely lost his composure (& reasoning) & trashed a perfectly good plane
Russ Snadden & his team must've been apoplectic with rage
Glycol fumes.
@@hawnyfox3411precisely. Excellent post. I never saw this sad display until just now. Sickening. Came in too hot off a bank. Much longer, flatter approach needed. Pilot error absolutely.
An oil line on the engine blew. The plane was re-restored and grounded perrmanently.. Allegedly, her original German pilot was offered a chance to fly it. He refused, making the remark that the plane had had enough opportunities to kill him. Should have told anybody all they needed to know.
The story at the time was an overheating engine due to the pilot error, i.e., not opening the cowl flaps!
All the information you need is in the accident report. It wasn’t an oil line. As for offering the wartime pilot the chance to fly it that’s not true, it was only flown by a select few RAF pilots
@@neilcotten2816thanks for that correction, people just make stuff up, the oil lines, the Luftwaffe pilot too scared to fly it, what crap.😮
Imagine the cockpit commentary......
^^
A.V.M John Allison WAS tugging himself off AND pulling on the wrong stick
Too busy tugging his tiny pink penis 'Joystick', INSTEAD of sorting out the radiator gills
From "Oooh, can I have a go at your '109" to "Oh God I've made a F'kn hash of it"
Shame he wasn't wiped-out in the crash
Laughable what HE said to the Camb's Fire Brigade crew who crossed the ploughed field....
"DON'T USE AN AXE TO CUT ME OUT , YOU'LL DAMAGE THE PLANE" = laughable irony, if ever....
Don't worry Sir John Allison - Anything the Axe WILL do, won't be 1/1000th of what YOU've just caused !!
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I remember reading about it in Fly Past just after it happened
Having seen this aircraft at the July warbirds weekend that year I had forgotten it used an inertia startup.I also seem to remember that it was actually an Hispano built in spain? Great aircraft with the upside down V12 and dry sump.Duxford warbirds weekend I went to many times and was all about the sound and smell if you got a good pitch where the aircraft did all their run up checks.
This one is a genuine Bf 109
Black 2 is the hybrid one.
As seen on this video th-cam.com/video/flL8pnmPuVo/w-d-xo.html
@@251hanomag Oh ok.Thanks for the correction.
I was wondering why they were pulling the engine through like a radial. I didn't know the engines were inverted in a 109, they were clearing out any oil.
@@rooms1028 The Hispano Aviacion HA-1112 Buchon had originally a Hispano V12, but later a R/R with a 'chin' radiator so had a nose profile similar to the Spit. Whereas The war-time Bf 109 had the DG 605 V12 inverted, hence the noticeably different nose.
Unbelievable how often owners/organizations put incompetent pilots into historically significant airplanes.
Sadly the RAF idiot was a desk boy!
Apparently, he put himself in it. "Rank has its privileges".
109 is anyhow difficult to land. He was to long trying, should have gone around to have another try,pity......
Oh, an experienced 109 pilot...😅
what ever happened to this aircraft/
This was it`s last planned flight, & then going on display at Hendon Museum.
That`s where it went after it was restored.
And now at Cosford Museum
He was about 50 knots to fast on final, WTF ?
Yeah, my immediate thought was that he came in very fast, and downwind - not a good combination. Must've had some kind of emergency.
Or brainfart
Experienced Bf 109 pilot are you?
@@Jimmythefish577 What a fecking childish response. Anyone is allowed an opinion on any subject without the need for them to be some kind of certified experienced expert.
@@tb100 At last someone is actually thinking. Was a major loss of engine power. Just enough to hop the fence and highway. Position and height when it occurred did not allow approach from the other direction.
in Cosford museum, safe and sound, and well worth a visit
He clearly had engine issues. No 4000 hour pilot would attempt a carrier landing with a priceless warbird unless he thought he needed to make the field....NOW. If you look closely you can see smoke during the display, a sign oil was bypassing the rings most likely
Yep, those repeated attempts to get the engine to turn over would have been red flags to me. I kept thinking it's unlikely the Germans would have produced a fighter that was so hard to start, so something is not mechanically right with this plane, or else the ground crew/pilot are doing something wrong.
Well bloody hell, at least it's not burnt up, just fix it up a bit for the Museum. It don't even have to be airworthy again. Then the old toerag can be ashamed by it
On take off and landing, the tail was up right away, and almost beyond horizontal so that it might have nosed into the ground. I knew something was gonna happen since it seemed the pilot was not quite proficient at flying the plane. What a shame… the only one left flying!! Who approved the pilot for this flight???
He approved himself, I understand.
He should have been more aware of the design problems, noticed his own mishandling of the radiator controls, not landed down-wind at high speed half-way along the runway... the list goes on.
The Spit landed the other way. So one of these aircraft landed down wind. Must have been the 109 because he overshot the runway. Most basic error.
He had no choice with loss of engine power. Had to get down quickly with no choice of a go around. With what little power he had, he had to make it over the fence and highway.
Is the prop over driven, under driven or directly connected to the crankshaft?
Geared from the higher crankshaft en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler-Benz_DB_605
Once that crankshaft got bent, it was game over for ever trying to repair. Nobody makes crankshafts for Bf-109's anymore. 🤠
The boost-thingy should have been fully-clutched on final for better compression on the carburetor coils.
Could have been a problem with the flux capacitor....
@@timrussell9869 dilithium crystals issue..............
^^ Congrats R.G = Comedian in the room....
Given that Me.109's & in particular "Black.6" has ZERO "carburettors" it's an impossibility
Fuel Injection = No carb's
I stand by my statement.
They should have mounted one on Black 6, paired alongside the flux capacitor.@@hawnyfox3411
Maybe the overhead timing fell in the sump…@@hawnyfox3411
Why were they going to ground it? It took years to restore it to flying condition. Loads of warbirds fly for decades.
Nobody in the world has a new crankshaft and nobody in the world is making them anymore, making repair or replacement not economically feasible. 🤠🥸🧐
Sadly they had an fried-egg pilot, who should not have been near an a/c
At least the engine is the right way up now!
Little fast on the landing there bub …. He got into it with the spitfire and - just call me ring rod !
Shame, but good the aircraft wasn't a total lose, as for the pilot, Allison, sadly he will always be remembered for this one day, his whole RAF career focused on a decision he made about an over heating engine.
Does anybody know why they always cranked the DB 605? Bf-109s are equipped with electric starters and you barely reach firing rpm just by hand.
Info from here.
No room for an electric starter on wartime Bf 1091`s, due to the ammunition magazines being in the way.
Other aircraft that used DB engines could be fitted with electric starters
forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=52844
@@251hanomag AL-SGC 24 DR 2-starters made by Bosch and Auto-Union for german WW II-fighters came with electric motors from the factory which is honestly the smallest part compared to the bulky flywheel-housing mounted between the motor and the engine-coupling. The electric motor faces towards the firewall, yes, but if there was no room for that tiny thing Bf-109s engine compartement truly would be a bad design.
Photographs and drawings of Bf-109 G-2 cockpits show the starter switch we also know from G-6es.
I would guess british historic aviation members refer cranking even big fighter engines to be 'typical german' as there is wartime footage, where mechanics do it mostly just by one hand and with only a couple of revolutions. These scenes actually show supporting cranks to protect the onboard batteries as the electric starter consumes most energy while running up.
If you read between the lines the accident report is quite damning (but you don’t explicitly criticise a - then serving - senior RAF officer…🤔)
They are a protected species!
Poor 109, how she purred up in the air.. :(
Had never seen this aircraft display before, it was beautiful up until the unfortunate crash. It would seem a bad decision made by a very experienced pilot, who I understand also flew for the Shuttleworth collection. Just wish I hadn't read the comments below and the character assasination by these perfect individuals, whom have never erred. I was always thought that most Brits were modest and classy bunch, but that was in the past I guess.
No, there's some of us who like to know the facts of a case before pronouncing judgement still around.
Why didn't he go around?
The engine was losing power due to his mishandling of the radiator controls, causing overheating.
So glad the Knight was safe. So sad the plane endo'd.
There was an ME109 at Headcorn this year. I don’t know if it was this one. I think planes like this should be used wnd not sit in a museum!
I fully expected him to throttle up and get airborne again, that thing was going too fast, wasn't sure even if it was a demonstration, until it became clear.
Besides that, looking at the landing gear of that 109 it's easy to see why so many were lost to landing accidents.
That thing looks like a nightmare to land even in good conditions, imagine with strong wings, and the torque of an engine too powerful for such a small and light frame made it even harder.
Like Seafires on an aircraft carrier :P
This Allison character's arrogance caused the crash! You must know all about the aircraft before you fly it. I would have never let that idiot get near it!!
That was perhaps the Bf-109's greatest flaw, the narrow track landing gear. It made takeoffs and landings, especially, difficult. Many Bf-109's were lost in accidents.
What being flown by an incompetent idiot?
She didn’t want to fly, they should have listened to her! The aircraft is always correct!
Why no up elevator while taxiing ?
Was there a reason why he forced to land,instead just go around ????
Yes.
@Jeno826
Yes, because of HIS own stupidity & ineptitude - He created a disaster of his own making
Once he caused the disaster & set the chain in motion, he added to it, by panicking like leg-a wetting schoolgirl
He should NOT have even been allowed to fly A DESK , never mind a 55 y/o aircraft worth millions (back then)
it was pilot error …
so basically another one that has proven that the Me 109 was not easy to fly and land … it‘s not a coincidence that some 11.000 of the 35.000 built Me 109 crashed at landing …
Many air display pilots seem to go nuts and throw the planes around without any display training at all, I sometimes think more planes have been lost at airshows than in all the world wars combined..:)
Wow, I hope he didn't live long, what became of the plane?
It was on it`s last planned flight.
Before going to Hendon museum.
So it was repaired. Also using it`s original parts, that were not suitable for flight.
And is now in Cosford museum
Scrapped aka unfit to fly and placed in a museum
Un suceso muy lamentable realmente, más allá de las culpabilidades o no..un triste final para una gran máquina y su piloto..
Put like with tears. She wasn't going to stop flying. &nobody in aviation tells "the last".
That’s a BF109-F, isn’t it?
Bf109G-2/TROP W/NR.10639 www.rafmuseum.org.uk/documents/collections/X001-2501-BF109G-%27Black%206%27.pdf
Seen it before; cant watch it again - the most evil looking bird in the world being disrespected and unceremoniously put down.
Painful even to watch.
Fantastic aircraft and in its own way as beautiful as a spitfire .
Unlike the Spitfire, the 109 looks like a fighter.
He landed without use of his flaps. Tells me he had probably technical problems?
Seems there was a problem between the stick and the seat.
What in the world was he trying to do?
Throwing his rank around! Typical fried egg hat!
I don't know all that much about aviation--especially these old warbirds. But it looked to me like the plane didn't want to quit flying. I wondered if the throttle was stuck and he just couldn't make it stall just above touch down. He DID touch down and then the plane got airborne again. It wouldn't quit flying. He seemed to be an experienced pilot. Was it pilot error, or two problems with the aircraft? Doesn't matter. He's okay. The plane got broken.
Looked to me like the pilot didn't have much tailwheel airplane experience and didn't keep "happy feet" on the rudders to maintain Bf 109 - Black 6 stabilized on runway centerline.
Bf-109s in general tend to extensively flatten out on the final. German WW II-Ace Erich Hartmann once pointed out on landing they need to be handled like gliders. Just a bit too much speed and altitude makes the runway pretty short hence a tailwind approach is an absolute no-no on a Bf-109. This pilot screwed up pretty much everything beginning by mishandling the engine in flight to cause an overheating situation followed by an overhasty landing attempt while the engine still worked properly.
For whatever reason (tailwind, stress, or a combination of the two) he came in too fast and ran(!) out of runway, plain and simple. The plane kept 'floating' and my guess is that when realizing this he forced the wheels to the ground using the elevator, hoping that the momentary friction would slow the plane down enough to settle on the ground after a bounce or two. It turned out, however, to involve a bounce too many.
Originally captured by the Aussies. Stolen by the British, then wrecked by the British.
I suspect quite a few Germans wrecked their BF109's too. A difficult plane to land.
@@oldcremonaThis does not even look like landing.
Australians tried to barbie it?
Im fortunate enough to own a CD of the start procedure and full flying envelope of this exact aircraft. Magnificent sounds form such a wonderful machine.
Bob I had that CD .. bought it at Reno from a gal who told me her husband recorded it with microphones placed just so along the field it was and is amazing!! She heard me asking about John Dilly and took me aside and told me what happened in Oshkosh the week before. John had a heart attack while in a flight "mustang" his parents where my neighbors. I went to school with his son. And promised i would go to Reno and watch him fly the race. I was a year late. But yes great audio on that CD!!
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing