Look at the first corner entry for BRZs vs GR86s. He's totally messed it up with the BRZs. I think on purpose. And when you lose half a second on the first corner in momentum cars like these, they only magnify later on. You can't make up for them later on in the lap. This guy is clearly a Toyota paid driver.
Well the 86 tends to oversteer and the BRZ to understeer. The 86 is also more track focused so the difference can be there. But half a second in one corner is still quite severe.
I think it really depends on ones driving style. If you prefer something that's more tuned to oversteer you'll do better in that car and vice versa. Probably why I see some vids where the BRZ is faster, but unless you're a professional driver I don't think it's something you'll be able to exploit.
Which is odd, I completely agree with you, the BRZ/86 platform has much more poise, more stability, less body roll, sets in a corner better and tighter steering when compared to an ND2 (the ND2 does have a pretty communicative rack though, you feel the road in your hands). The reason I say it's odd is because the steel strut front suspension and steel multilink rear on the 86 vs the ND's all-aluminium double wishbone front and multilink rear would suggest better handling, especially combined with its nearly 500lbs weight advantage. But, having driven both, it doesn't translate. I guess there's more to suspension tuning than just the suspension geometry. I guess the longer wheelbase, higher torsional rigidity and lower center of gravity with the boxer engine counteracts all that too
@@tss996gt3 The body roll in the Miata is ridiculous and I don't enjoy it. At all. I assume it can be reduced to acceptable levels with some sway bars.
Seems like GR 86 is the fastest. GR 86 AT - 1 minute 20.59 seconds GR 86 MT - 1 minute 19.54 seconds BRZ AT - 1 minute 20.71 seconds BRZ MT - 1 minute 20.10 seconds
Yeah look at the first corner for BRZs vs GR86s. And when you lose half a second on the first corner in momentum cars like these, they only magnify later on. You can't make up for them later on in the lap. This guy is clearly a Toyota paid driver.
Shifting with "paddles" does not reduce times. Take your own shit box, get a cheap 1/4 mile g meter. Shift the cunt at redline then let it do it itself. I have a genf2 GTS thats 600kw. Its fastest in grandpa touring mode. Sports mode actually makes it lose 2 tenths on the 1/4.
Ok this was a comment for mature people not idiots. I was asking this because I know race car drivers and track day guys utilize the shifters to gear down during braking and also to downshift if the transmission is not using all of the engines capabilities. Please comment if you have value to add.
@@sunrisesunset1734 Yes, you are right! Now we know that there are some differences between the two cars. That was more than I expected. Not only the suspension settings but also the material of the front axle hub, the diameter of the stabilizer shaft, the structure of the stabilizer, the connection method of the rear stabilizer to the body, the presence or absence of the rear subframe reinforced brace bar, the hardness of the bush of the rear trading arm, etc.
He praised the engine 2.4L more torque, as well as the general stability. He seemed to have praised the BRZ's stability more, and the GR86 more prone to drifting/slipping, but not in an uncontrolled manner at all. He also says both vehicles feel very solid and suspension is very solid. He says he wants to buy one haha.
He praised the car's handling ability and improved torque in low RPM In the other video, He also said the car feels like a fully changed model not a minor changed model. He was really impressed by the car overall .
not sure why he is not using the shift paddles on the AT transmission , if you want to do a lap time , you cant just put it on D and sport mode , and hope it will do the right thing , i bet the AT would be just as quick or even quicker if he shifted manually , every time he exist a corner , there is a delay on down shift since you need to go more than 60% throttle position for the transmission to kick down , if he did shift manually before entering the corner as you usually do on a manual , or even within the apex , since its just paddles it would be easier when you don''t need to heel and toe and even better the transmission has an Auto blip feature , that would be a different story
@@philspaghet if you read my comment properly you will see that i've mentioned he was using sport mode , believe modern car or not , if you are trying to achieve a better time lap you will have to use manual mode and shift your self to keep the engine speed at it best since its a NA engine , even on DSG transmission which is away smarter and faster then the Auto on the 86 you still need to shift your self , otherwise i dont see what the use or a Manual shifting mode available on the car and the paddles , its like you are driving a manual , transmission and trying to achieve best time without heel and toe on downshift
@@philspaghet it would actually , since we are talking about 1 to 2 second difference between manual and Auto . , i owned an Auto BRZ for 5 years , used it for time attack and FI kits developments , and believe go i could go faster than any manual , with a bigger final drive , since the Auto had longer gear ratio than manual
@@Crypto_mining_lab interesting. Most people use manual for time attack even at the higher levels. Even if the final drive is higher most guys swap in custom LSDs at some point from the events I've attended. The manuals are also lighter and deliver power more directly.
Looks odd on camera, yet in reality the GR86 looks slightly better in my opinion and is even more fun to drive (at least from my few minutes driving it).
Because it's set up to rotate under braking. That's the main problem of the owners of 1st gen when taken to the track. Now it seems like it's taken the s2000 approach.
@@mrdogfight1 Sure a lot of people complain about trail braking (particularly in the facelifted 86), but it just looks like its 'too' loose under braking AND mid corner. Those aren't Prius tires! It will be interesting to see what the international journalists think of it, because I can't understand anything these guys are saying and even translation wise you still can't tell if they are being properly honest.
@@mrdogfight1 Toyota has really done well with the suspension setup for the GR86. The BRZ will please the masses since it doesn’t deviate that much from the previous generation in terms of handling characteristics. I agree the GR86 has taken the S2000 route and it seems to be the right route. Watching how pro drivers drive in GT cars, the GR86 acts similarly dynamically. Almost like driving a go-kart managing slip angle. I plan on saving up for the GR86.
@@Blight-fp3vt @Blight I beg to differ. If it's too loose as you say DK wouldn't have confidence driving it to the to the fullest. And the time is the proof. Being the fastest of the 4 tells us he can control the car as he would like it to behave. It's half a sec faster than the brz. Its understeery nature robbed it that much in a small track mind you. I remember him saying that the mx5 rf is too loose and didn't like it. You can watch it for preference. But that's not the case here.
@@mrdogfight1 Potentially. But drift king is a little bias towards any 86 :) I'm pretty sure I saw more mistakes on that Manual BRZ run than any other run. You could be right of course. And part of my problem is not being able to hear from the critics in my own language - I find it hard to assess these Japanese celeb test drives.
Not fair for BRZ MT result... There is a mistake on 1st and 5th corner. Or they purposely want BRZ is slower then 86.. So let the BRZ auto win 86 auto ...
この車、試乗してる人みんなニコニコしてるよね。
ある意味、土屋さん達のお陰で我々は現在でも86と言う素晴らしい車に乗る事が可能な環境に居る。ありがとうございます😭
こう言うのを見ると、DKの立ち位置が良く見えてくる。
FRスポーツを好きになって欲しいと言う想いと、これからFRスポーツに乗って見たいと言うユーザーの入り口に立ってくれている。そして到達点にもいてくれる。
こう言う人柄だから好きなんだよなぁ。
土屋圭市のインプレッションは振り回してくれるから為になるなぁ
最近の車にしては珍しく国内で先に発売したから海外メディアの動画アクセスがかなり多い
NOBチャンネルも見て思ったけど、何せステアリングの切り角が小さく修正の舵角、頻度がすごく少ないのが見て取れる。土屋さんのコメントにもあるようにボディ剛性が高くてサスペンションが路面・荷重に対して忠実に動いているからなんでしょうね
BRZの方が評判はいいけど、タイム的にはあまり差が無いんだなぁ。土屋さんの走らせ方が86の方に合うってのもあるんだろうけど
他のチャンネルを拝見致しましたがフル武装で走ったのは土屋圭市氏だけです。
土屋氏の本気度が伺い知れます。
ここまで出来る様になりたいものです。
タイムアタックしているのもドリドリだけなので、これだけで他の方との区別もできないですけどね。ドリドリだって、峠道でグローブだけってこともありますし。
今GR86 MT買う為にお金貯めてる！
早く乗りたい
水平対向の音も重要だけど、できれば土屋さんの声をもう少しはっきり聴きたかったです。 段取り、準備がね・・・
Damn needs subtitles
Look at the first corner entry for BRZs vs GR86s. He's totally messed it up with the BRZs. I think on purpose. And when you lose half a second on the first corner in momentum cars like these, they only magnify later on. You can't make up for them later on in the lap. This guy is clearly a Toyota paid driver.
Whether he did it on purpose or a mistake the difference is too little.
Im definitely sure that he mentions that the cars are the same, half a second isn’t a massive difference
Well the 86 tends to oversteer and the BRZ to understeer. The 86 is also more track focused so the difference can be there. But half a second in one corner is still quite severe.
I think it really depends on ones driving style. If you prefer something that's more tuned to oversteer you'll do better in that car and vice versa. Probably why I see some vids where the BRZ is faster, but unless you're a professional driver I don't think it's something you'll be able to exploit.
So , front aluminum knuckle on the Subaru doesn’t improve laps times?
ベスモならこんな音声のヘマしねえなw
今回の袖ヶ浦は、ドリドリ・中谷さん・大井ちゃん・キンちゃんが現場に来てたのね😂😂
6MT GR86 for me!
楽しそう〜！
こりゃ買うでしょうドリキンw
why would he purposely get a faster time with the gr86. watch the very first corner on all of them.
待ってました本命
GR86 A LITTLE FASTER THEN THE BRZ BOTH CARS LOOK LIKE A LOT OF FUN TO DRIVE COMPARED TO MAZDA MIATA
Which is odd, I completely agree with you, the BRZ/86 platform has much more poise, more stability, less body roll, sets in a corner better and tighter steering when compared to an ND2 (the ND2 does have a pretty communicative rack though, you feel the road in your hands). The reason I say it's odd is because the steel strut front suspension and steel multilink rear on the 86 vs the ND's all-aluminium double wishbone front and multilink rear would suggest better handling, especially combined with its nearly 500lbs weight advantage. But, having driven both, it doesn't translate. I guess there's more to suspension tuning than just the suspension geometry. I guess the longer wheelbase, higher torsional rigidity and lower center of gravity with the boxer engine counteracts all that too
@@tss996gt3 The body roll in the Miata is ridiculous and I don't enjoy it. At all. I assume it can be reduced to acceptable levels with some sway bars.
音いいね！
Seems like GR 86 is the fastest.
GR 86 AT - 1 minute 20.59 seconds
GR 86 MT - 1 minute 19.54 seconds
BRZ AT - 1 minute 20.71 seconds
BRZ MT - 1 minute 20.10 seconds
Sure, if you ignore the mistakes
There basically the same car... so I say it's down to the tiny mistakes that the times are different not the car themselves
He purposely did some errors on both runs with the BRZ. Just my opinion.
Yeah look at the first corner for BRZs vs GR86s. And when you lose half a second on the first corner in momentum cars like these, they only magnify later on. You can't make up for them later on in the lap. This guy is clearly a Toyota paid driver.
旧型からだけどATのギアチェンめちゃめちゃ早い。
Is there any comparison lap time with the GT86/"old" BRZ?
th-cam.com/video/aGe5Yz5V-Xs/w-d-xo.html
" whatever you do please dont drift it, that is not what this car is for and that isn't covered under warranty" -Toyota Rep
インプレ音声聞こえないとか、どんだけよ・・・
I would have liked to see him utilize the paddle shifters. May have cut the time down on the automatics.
Shut up , u cant drive manual anyway
@@Sasquatch304 well that totally didn't show your age.
@V Lee he was probably trying to see how it performed on its own.
Shifting with "paddles" does not reduce times. Take your own shit box, get a cheap 1/4 mile g meter. Shift the cunt at redline then let it do it itself.
I have a genf2 GTS thats 600kw. Its fastest in grandpa touring mode. Sports mode actually makes it lose 2 tenths on the 1/4.
Ok this was a comment for mature people not idiots.
I was asking this because I know race car drivers and track day guys utilize the shifters to gear down during braking and also to downshift if the transmission is not using all of the engines capabilities.
Please comment if you have value to add.
What did Keiichi say ? please.
I want to trade my kouki 86 for GR86!
他の評論家さんのインプレも参考になるけれど、タイムで比較してくれるのが一番説得力あるかもしれない。
マイクもうすこしなんとかならんかったのか
BRZのオートマ良さげだね
MT車からレヴォーグstiに乗り換えましたがアクセルが言うこと聞いてくれなくて悩んでます。次はBRZのMTにします。
そりゃ全然違うジャンルだから仕方が無いよー
@@yamatora8504
そんなことないと思います。
スポーツカーでなくてもオートマや電スロの制御によってはかなりドライバビリティ高いです。
トルクある、レスポンスも良い、音も良い、足も良い。操るの楽しそう。ほしい！けど、お高いんでしょう？？ 300万400万すんのかな
先代でも最終型は300万～350万円でしたからね。
私は350万～500万と予想しています、旧型と同じ価格なら割安でしょうね。
あんまり変わらない気がしますから、高くても320万程ではないでしょうか？
安くても290万とか(´・ω・｀)
My guy got in the BRZ and forgot how to steer.
やっぱスゲー！
I apologize for my not understanding. But what is his conclusion? Seems like with Toyota?
マイク付けたら良いのに…と思ったらマイク付いてた
もう少し音声聞きやすく出来ませんかね？
Ohayo, is there a difference between GR 86 and BRZ? AT: Automatic Transmission, MT: Manual Transmission
He said that mainly, there is a difference in the suspension settings; GR 86 tends to turn more easily, BRZ tends to have more stability.
@@souichikawana419 Well it's clearly more than suspension settings.
@@sunrisesunset1734 Yes, you are right! Now we know that there are some differences between the two cars. That was more than I expected. Not only the suspension settings but also the material of the front axle hub, the diameter of the stabilizer shaft, the structure of the stabilizer, the connection method of the rear stabilizer to the body, the presence or absence of the rear subframe reinforced brace bar, the hardness of the bush of the rear trading arm, etc.
@@souichikawana419 More than I expected too.
眼眶紅紅的！拓海自己下來試車！
I need English subtitles! I want to know his thoughts
He praised the engine 2.4L more torque, as well as the general stability. He seemed to have praised the BRZ's stability more, and the GR86 more prone to drifting/slipping, but not in an uncontrolled manner at all.
He also says both vehicles feel very solid and suspension is very solid. He says he wants to buy one haha.
BRZをS4を下取りに出して買おうかすごい迷う。満足できるのかな？
万能性なら全然Ｓ４の方が上だと思いますよ😸💦知り合いで昔ランエボからＺに買い換えたヤツがいたけど、しばらくして後悔してましたから…🙀💨
@@SACHSENBERG29 そうですか〜。
たしかに万能ですけど、良過ぎてつまらないというか…
まぁ、新車で買わなくてもすぐ安くなると思うから乗りつぶしたらそれ狙うのもありかもしれない
新型のS4買いましょう！
@@yymsd735 最近のスバルのテールランプ嫌いなんですよね。インプレッサみたいな感じ
S4のコンセプト？予想みたいなやつ見ましたけど…って感じです
それは、悩みますね、もう一台買うってのもありですよ、両方いい車なので
ガソリンエンジンがなくなると考えたら赤丸急上昇中のBRZ！出力が上がって明らかに加速が速くなりましたね❗️まもなく超希少車になりますねー‼️
Can anyone translate 😂.. Is KT in favour of the GR?
He praised the car's handling ability and improved torque in low RPM
In the other video, He also said the car feels like a fully changed model not a minor changed model.
He was really impressed by the car overall .
At least GR86 MT will get the best fastest record for win!
why isnt Tsuchiya ambassador for Toyota yet?
オートマでもなかなか速いな
Please get some English subtitles! You’ll get way more views and subscribers!
サウンドクリエイターは取り外せたけどエンジンスピーカーは外せるのか？
スピーカーへ繋がってる配線切ればいいんじゃね？
ssmでオフできる
土屋寶刀未老 四台車單圈都落在兩秒內 超猛
not sure why he is not using the shift paddles on the AT transmission , if you want to do a lap time , you cant just put it on D and sport mode , and hope it will do the right thing , i bet the AT would be just as quick or even quicker if he shifted manually , every time he exist a corner , there is a delay on down shift since you need to go more than 60% throttle position for the transmission to kick down , if he did shift manually before entering the corner as you usually do on a manual , or even within the apex , since its just paddles it would be easier when you don''t need to heel and toe and even better the transmission has an Auto blip feature , that would be a different story
NO, he put it in sport mode. usually with modern sports cars, the sport auto mode is pretty good so there's no real need for a test
@@philspaghet if you read my comment properly you will see that i've mentioned he was using sport mode , believe modern car or not , if you are trying to achieve a better time lap you will have to use manual mode and shift your self to keep the engine speed at it best since its a NA engine , even on DSG transmission which is away smarter and faster then the Auto on the 86 you still need to shift your self , otherwise i dont see what the use or a Manual shifting mode available on the car and the paddles , its like you are driving a manual , transmission and trying to achieve best time without heel and toe on downshift
@@Crypto_mining_lab Maybe so but I doubt it would make much of a practical improvement in lap time
@@philspaghet it would actually , since we are talking about 1 to 2 second difference between manual and Auto . , i owned an Auto BRZ for 5 years , used it for time attack and FI kits developments , and believe go i could go faster than any manual , with a bigger final drive , since the Auto had longer gear ratio than manual
@@Crypto_mining_lab interesting. Most people use manual for time attack even at the higher levels. Even if the final drive is higher most guys swap in custom LSDs at some point from the events I've attended. The manuals are also lighter and deliver power more directly.
結局どんなクルマも扱えちゃうから違いが分からん。
順応しすぎ。
It would go faster and drive better but the looks let it down over the 2012 model
Looks odd on camera, yet in reality the GR86 looks slightly better in my opinion and is even more fun to drive (at least from my few minutes driving it).
On which track are they driving?
0:09 Sodegaura Forest Raceway
The GR86 does not look stable under braking, I've got to say. I look forward to journalists opinions.
Because it's set up to rotate under braking. That's the main problem of the owners of 1st gen when taken to the track. Now it seems like it's taken the s2000 approach.
@@mrdogfight1 Sure a lot of people complain about trail braking (particularly in the facelifted 86), but it just looks like its 'too' loose under braking AND mid corner. Those aren't Prius tires!
It will be interesting to see what the international journalists think of it, because I can't understand anything these guys are saying and even translation wise you still can't tell if they are being properly honest.
@@mrdogfight1 Toyota has really done well with the suspension setup for the GR86. The BRZ will please the masses since it doesn’t deviate that much from the previous generation in terms of handling characteristics. I agree the GR86 has taken the S2000 route and it seems to be the right route. Watching how pro drivers drive in GT cars, the GR86 acts similarly dynamically. Almost like driving a go-kart managing slip angle. I plan on saving up for the GR86.
@@Blight-fp3vt @Blight I beg to differ. If it's too loose as you say DK wouldn't have confidence driving it to the to the fullest. And the time is the proof. Being the fastest of the 4 tells us he can control the car as he would like it to behave. It's half a sec faster than the brz. Its understeery nature robbed it that much in a small track mind you.
I remember him saying that the mx5 rf is too loose and didn't like it. You can watch it for preference. But that's not the case here.
@@mrdogfight1 Potentially. But drift king is a little bias towards any 86 :) I'm pretty sure I saw more mistakes on that Manual BRZ run than any other run.
You could be right of course. And part of my problem is not being able to hear from the critics in my own language - I find it hard to assess these Japanese celeb test drives.
せっかく走行中にインプレしてくれてるのに全く聞こえないね
マイク付けて下さい
Can this car beat a Mazda3 ? SoCal You've Runners are dying to know
LOL any day of the week
ATとMTの差が無いに等しいな。
差はあると思いますよ。
主に｢直線の速さ｣
五味康隆さんの動画見ればわかりますよ
MT has better response. GR86/BRZ NEEDS a MT! AT is boring
ATしか安全装備(アイサイト)がつかないのは解せない...
昔、KP61にTO4Eタービン付けて峠走ったね、懐かしい、
今はプリウスでも意外にダウンヒル速いですね😁❗
Not fair for BRZ MT result... There is a mistake on 1st and 5th corner. Or they purposely want BRZ is slower then 86.. So let the BRZ auto win 86 auto ...
I think he can't get used to the BRZs more understeery characteristics. The 86 should still be a bit faster but not by that much.
どうでもいいことだけど、ひとつ。
自分はBRZ派だが、86のハンドルがトヨタのマークになってくれて嬉しい。なんか前のはダサかったから。
2.4リッターって時点でもはやハチロクでもBRZでもない別の車
NAのまま400cc上がったくらいで逐一ネーミングで騒ぐなやw
そんなこと言い出したら既存のスポーツカーなんて全部ネーミング詐欺になってまうやん
同じようなこと初代でも言ってたよな。直4じゃねーなら86名乗るなとかテンロクじゃねーのかよとか。ケチつけるのは一丁前だな
パワーこんなに上がったけど、値段変わってないから、許して。
BRZは別に良いのでは…？Boxer Engine Rear Drive Zenithって意味も先代も新型も合ってると思いますよ。
これは第一線で活躍中のプロドライバーによるサーキット走行です。公道では速度を控えめにして交通法規を守り、安全運転をしましょう。
スピーカーからながれるエンジン音きもすぎ
大井さんの方がやっぱり上手いな
ハンドルの切り方が全然違う
BRZだけ重たいナビ着いてるのは忖度ですか？
自動車評論家の 今○優希がひき逃げ事故を起こしたらしい 続報知りたい
ガセ？
情報ぜんぜんヒットしない。
BRZにだけめちゃ重いナビついてる(・_・;) 土屋さんレベルでは数キロで差が出る。忖度か…
しょせんメーカーに媚び売ってる、悪いとこも、言わないと。
ドリキンが今更メーカーに媚び売るわけ無いじゃん
ドリキンは基本的に優しいインプレだぞ
相当悪いとこがあったり個人的に気に入らない部分があると言う
ケツが出るとかアンダーとか言ってるのは、受け取る側の好み次第でネガティブな部分では？
HONDAには媚び売るけどトヨタならライバルやしHONDA潰しにかかってるメーカーだから容赦ないと思うよ
@@lmp1411
今のドリキンがHONDAに媚びて何になるんや？？