When I was getting my commercial license, in the '70s, I got tired of the normal flying to build time so I took a 10 hour block of acro training. The first several hours were in an Aerobat. Fun times. The rest of it was in an AC Super Decathlon. I recommend that anyone aspiring to be a pilot should take a basic aerobatic course. You will become very comfortable with flying after doing so.
You have the right idea. Aerobatic training will make you a better pilot!!! I used to teach people how to fly along with a mild aerobatic course. The other part of my flying was as a aerobatic pilot preforming at airshows. That is REAL FUN ! ! ! ! !
I started in 73 and I Fully agree with you. We also had an Aerobat & either a Straight Cetabra or Decathlon around. Being a FBO employee (lineman didn't hurt either 😜) we only had to pay for the fuel.
My late uncle, USAF Colonel bought a Decathlon after he retired in 1976 (35 yrs in) He flew the P-51 thru to the F-4...what a career. Took me flying and golfing every week out of Redlands Ca. I was totally at ease (along with my instructor) taking flight lessons in 2008.
@@readmore3634 My Father-in-Law graduated from Redlands University and they retired there in 2002. Art Scholl taught at Redlands airport and at Flabob, and Rialto airports. He also was a professor of aeronautics and San Bernardino Valley College. Art and I met several times, once with me hand propping his S2 Pitts.
@@MaxEPR No way!....My very first time ever air born was in Art's Pitts... I was 20...1979....not with him but with the only other guy (Ken? My uncles friend) allowed to fly Art's planes. I thot we were going up in his Chipmunk but it was being prepped for a movie....strobe light machine guns on the wings and stuff. In the Pitts were these weights on rails that slid fore and aft inside the Pitts, left and right of the seats. (for special maneuvers?) I built many R.C. balsa wood planes as a kid so I knew about maneuvers...and this was my big chance to live it....we flew above Chaffey College for an hour....I was so excited ... Ken let me do Cuban 8's (easy), hammer heads (fun!) Rolls ect.....but inverted flight was much more difficult than I thot. Thanks for the reply. Too bad we can't meet at Palm Meadows Golf Course....that's where we played golf. While all this was going on my uncle, Ewald G. Kruggel, was building his RV-4 kit. supersabresociety.com/biography/ewald-g-kruggel/
Took my PP checkride in a 152....FAA examiner said, "My plane", then did a hammerhead followed by a loop...as we were upside down in the loop, he said, "By the way, you're a pilot." Never forget that.
A 152 doesnt produce enough power for such maneuvers and the VNE speed needed to perform the maneuver would be exceeded An exaggerated wing over stall would be likely
I don't know... Americans kind of have lax standards for licencing. In Canada every student HAS TO show that he or she can recover from a spiral dive, so they practice it multiple times. In the USA with their "FAA", they don't even do that procedure. LULZ. Gay.
@@alukuhito It's not only USA, a lot of countries don't have spin recovery required. The reasoning for this is that there were many unnecessary accidents during training, that wouldn't happen otherwise, since high altitude spin isn't a common thing. Yeah, a spin can be deadly, but stalls and spins are mostly ocurring at the low altitude and the training won't help that. You should know how to recover, of course, but I think the focus of the training should be on how to PREVENT spins in the first place. Hours spend on practicing recovering won't help you if you'll stall during a turn on the final.
Cessna engineers added only 16 lbs to the 150 to make the Aerobat. This included thicker skins and added ribs and stiffeners in critical locations, including wings, the vertical fin, horizontal stabilizer as well as strengthening the door post and bulkhead assy. The wing struts are noticeably " fatter" sourced from the Cessna 182. Additionally, Aerobat's feature jettisonable doors, removable seat cushions for parachute use as well as military style seat belts, skylights, and a "G"-meter. The engine and mount are the same as a stock 150, the only addition is the "aerobatic breather" on the engine case to minimize oil loss during aerobatic flight. The Aerobats were given distinctive paint jobs with fancy checkerboards/stripes, and upholstery on the seats.
Paul Van Tries The Cessna Parts book doesn’t NOT list a separate engine mount for Aerobat’s. There is an early and late style mount but by 1970 when A150K was introduced they were all the same later style
One of the best local airshow routines I ever saw was a local crop duster flying his 1959 regular C 150. That guy made that little beast and it was no Aerobat. He made it do anything that the little 100 HP mill would allow . And made it look easy.
Nice! I soloed at 16 in a C150 Aerobat after 7 hours of dual with my CFI - he required all of his students - before solo - to be able to spin and recover before sign-off for 1st solo. However, I ALWAYS caged the instruments with gyros - artificial horizon and HI = Directional GYRO - before performing acrobatic maneuvers.
I learned to fly in a Cessna 150 Aerobat while in college. Awesome looking aircraft having red accents with black and white checkering. One note of caution though, it could lead to a flying career in the US Air Force, which is exactly what happened to me. My first assignment was as an instructor pilot going out every work day to fly jet sorties involving aerobatics, hIgh and low level navigation, instrument training, and formation flying. It was the ride of my life. Class 78-03, Reese AFB, TX. Nice video and kudos to the instructor pilot.
I did my first aerobatic flying in an Aerobat in Kansas City. Not my first flying. My instructor was a retired P38 fighter pilot from WWII. He was around 300lbs...duh.. Got to the airplane that morning and it had a flat tire. He says to me, "we won't be on the ground very long." Hmmm ... This was around 1983, I think. I had already been flying since 1970 and flown some Pitts and Great Lakes before. So just tuning up in that little guy. They are fun to fly, and very responsive. Nice video. My first instructor was Ed Mahler out of Sky Manor in Pittstown NJ. He would let me rip at it back when I was around 15 or 16 years old. Like, try to crash it, kind of thing. My father told Ed, "Treat him like he was your son." So Ed would slap me upside my head and yell stuff like, "Keep those "effen" wings level!" One time pulling the keys out, engine off. Then he dropped the keys and we had to land in a cornfield. He apologized for that one. I miss aerobatic flying. Got too expensive. Now looking to buy a DA62.. LOL! Only $1.2 million.
I always thought the same thing. Aerobatics in a 150 just feels wrong. I've never flown an Aerobat, but I've flown 152s many times and they will always hold a special place in my heart. Not flashy or fast, but they fly so beautifully.
Climb up to about 2k and do a fauled up spin recovery attempt. Get the airplane in a really uncontrolled situation. AND let go. The 150/152/172 will right itself.
No kidding, when I first started flying in a 152 I noticed the instructor was actually turned in the seat a little bit to help both of us fit that narrow cockpit.
I've never been in a "aerobatic" certified Cessna 150 or 152, but did end up on a flight with a guy who rolled a rented 152 trainer. (This, by the way was done at night over the ocean in the Los Angeles area.) At the time (1982 or so), I was a 16 year old student pilot "passenger" working as a dispatcher for the FBO that owned and rented the plane, so I naturally thought it was the coolest thing ever, next to my first solo, but I was told warned to tell anyone. Of course, I later learned how potentially dangerous the stunt could have been for numerous reasons, and obviously, never attempted anything like it myself. I do regret not having taken the time to get some personal aerobatic flight training as I do believe that it is a very good way to instill confidence in a pilot and possibly prepare one for a number of emergency scenarios that may involve abnormal or unusual flight maneuvers. Thanks for the upload....
I have done that with a regular 150, but I was practicing departure stalls at the time, at a high altitude of course. And just a note, I took the little plane up to 13,600 feet and that was all she would do, just hanging on the prop, I believe the rated max was 12,600 feet. I loved that little airplane. That was back in the 1970s I looked up the N number the other day and found it in a junkyard up by Salt Lake City.
About a year after I got my private license I did some advanced stall/spin training in an Aerobat. My instructor was an ex Israeli fighter pilot. He wasn't certified to do aerobatic training so I didn't get to do loops or rolls. But a full power departure stall will put you inverted.
@@martynh5410 I don't know what I did there 9 months ago. Probably a trolling attempt. I know he puts gear up when inverted. Or maybe the comment changed idk. I must admit my comment looks stupid now.
I used to rent a 150 aerobatic back in my USAF pilot days. Though one could do basic aerobatics in the plane, it was so underpowered that I spent most of my time recovering altitude/energy, so I could do the next maneuver.
Same with the snap-roll in the C-150A, 20 to 30 deg nose high then into it. Snap rolls are a bit more fun but much more load on the fuselage, imparts a torsion moment (twisting) to the airframe that the barrel roll and aileron rolls do not, so a lot of owners stay away from the snaps. BTW, if you want a great over-the-top spin entry, instead of gently throwing the rudder down, give it some extra airspeed - 5-10 KIAS above stall, then snatch the stick back as you stuff the rudder full-in. It goes up and over the top into the entry, fun from inside the cockpit and looks pretty if you are being judged for a competition.
My instructor was a WW II check pilot who took me up for spin training and then told me we would do a flat spin too. He said Really it's a snap roll but this plane isn't rated for aerobatics. It was a 152 U so it was plenty strong enough. Snap rolls are more fun. He is long gone now and so is the plane.
There is a brace plate at the base of the tail fin that offers strengthening of the vertical surfaces. Also found on the C152 aerobat, great for lollipop aerobatics and intro to aeros on a budget.
Most of us began our flight training in the 150 but I never personally went beyond a hammerhead stall in one lol. But then it wasn't rated for acrobatics. Thx for the share.
In the early ,1953 till 1975 my Pop was a Stunt Pilot for the USAF SAC Thunderbirds . His biggest was locking brakes at take off, wind her up to FT, flip the retract wheel lever and BLAST OFF at 600mph in seconds with the wheels retracting as the bird went airborn.
While getting my Private in a standard 150 I was doing a solo cross country leg. I'm at 7-8000 feet on a long leg with a stiff headwind on a super clear day.... so I see my next 5 checkpoints and can almost see to my destination 45+ minutes away. Thus, I am bored. So I secure my clipboard and do a few rolls. Nice. A little later, how about some barrel rolls? Well, since there is always positive G, no need to secure the clipboard again. Set it on the right seat. Do barrel roll to the left and all according to plan. Try one to the right and eff it up 3/4 the way through.... peripherally I see the clipboard lift, move away from me.... then WHAM in the right temple area. I saw stars and it left a nice mark on my face. Back at the debrief, "what happened, did you have that on your face when you left?" "Yes..."
Hello,,I recall, the first C150 AEROBATIC , did not have those top windows,,if I recall right, but they ALL had a special paint job like a cross hatch,,on both wings, & body & I believe the vertical stabilizer There was ONLY ONE @ CDW, in FAIRFIELD NJ , C150 all had 40 ^ FLAPS but it became only 30^ on the C152, my time there WAS 87 OCTAINE FUEL. CHEERS FROM NJ. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
ALL Aerobat models from day one had the Skylight windows above. You could also order a straight/regular 150 model with the skylight windows as a option, although not many were ordered that way, there are some out there. Don't assume it's a Aerobat just because it has the skylights in it, but ALL Aerobats left the Cessna factory with the skylights.
The plane I'm gonna train in and grew up flying in is a Cessna 150 aerobat. I always thought these alterations were how they all were haha. The boss's plane is pretty old though, and I don't trust myself to do aerobatics in it.
Before any flight expecting unusual attitudes, know that you're in the weight envelope before flight and nothing is loose in the cabin. Have sic sac for beginner and a small water bottle. (Not saying they didn't know their weight. They were ostensibly using a 'known load' ;)
The tail reinforcements are in the torque tubes that connect your elevators to the control cables. Those tubes by the way cost almost $2000 dollars and it just consists of a tube welded to a square piece of metal about 6 inches on each side. (And if you look at the welds they could be done better IMHO). Why do I know this? Because I worked for a flight school for 10 years as an A&P technician and I had to replace a set of these. My boss asked me to look up the price and I literally gasped when I saw the price!
WE wish you had a follow airplane to video you playing around so we could see the airplane doing the loops and rolls from a different view. Can you set that up. I am sure you would love that also.
FloridaFlying I fly out of FL-58 with my 150, maybe we can collaborate to get some awesome shots! Either way fly in sometime and say hello we got 5500’ of smooth grass!
You can made a barrell roll with any airplane, is a 1G manouvre no risk for the plane, set climb throttle, fuel pump on and speed push down until the speed reach the green arc limit, pull up ans set 30°, the apply full left and made a barrel roll... didn't try right...
I learned in a 152. To this day it remains my favorite airplane. I was up to about 20 or so hours of dual training when my instructor taught me how to do snap-rolls, barrel rolls, inside loops, Immelmann's, etc. It all started one day when I wanted to know how to recover from a basic spin....and afterwards he asked if I was interested in seeing more than just a "simple spin"...and the rest is history. It has been years since I last did anything more than fly straight and level (except stalls every now and then to stay current), but I've never regretted the "extra" training. Yes, he hammered home the need to keep positive G's flowing, since the normal 152 is not rated otherwise.
I got one for you to do. Get up to safe altitude, pull the throttle back all the way. Hold the plane level! You will need to pull all the way back on the controls but Don't anything other than pull back, don't move then left or right! Keep the plane level with the rudder! At the low speed only your rudder can do anything to keep you level. The plane will drop almost straight down with very little forward movement After dropping down some keeping it level then add power and recover from the stall! I had someone show me this! It is not easy at first but it can get to be fun. When it gets to be fun stop doing it! When it is fun you can make mistakes! But a 152 will drop about 500 feet a minute holding it level in a stall. Making a mistake here could put you in a spin! So be careful and don't go to low before you recover from the stall.
@@goneflying140 The trick with this is to be able to Fly it when stalled, no spin! When it stalls one wing wants to dip! Most want to move the aileron to lift the wing. That stalls the low wing more. That can get you in a spin. I spin at low altitude is a killer. But if you stall on final and use your rudder to keep it level, Ailerons don't do any good in a stall! The rudder can and will level the airplane, that can stop it from spinning! You can fly it some when stalled, or at least control it. And at the speed it drops level when stalled is something that you can live over. It is not much more than what you are descending on final! 500-800 feet per min!
Flew an Aerobat for much of my PPL training. It was N-9811J and we jokingly nicknamed it 9811JET because it was slow and flew like a rock compared to the 152s the school had. Navarro College, anyone? I've heard Cessna only added around 20 pounds to make the aerobatic 150, but I think it's much more than that. The mechanic would get pissed when anyone did inversions because he had to fix the gyros. He'd sometimes yell at students & it was reported he had another way of knowing if we did aerobatics, which were prohibited by the school, anyway. One fun thing about 9811JET is it's the only time I flew backwards! On a cross country from Longview to Corsicana in strong headwinds I slowed to MCA & watched cars on I-20 (or I-30?) going faster than me! I'm sure it's a great plane, maybe with 150 or 180 HP & a tailwheel conversion, but 9811JET was a real dog & not in good cosmetic condition, but it had a lower hourly rate so many flew it.
There were NO kind of fuel pumps on any Cessna 150/152 or any Aerobat from the factory!!! None whatsoever. There MAY be some type of pump included with the O320 STC.
That flight school has a lot of neat planes. I flew that 150 and absolutely loved doing aerobatics. If you haven't done them yet, I suggest you try to do some whip stalls they are so much fun.
I was a flight instructor for 16 years before my students soloed they could enter and recover from a spin or they did get a sign off from me. FAA didn't like it but I knew my people could fly
@@FloridaFlying How about VH-MSG, nickname was Chinese Takeaway, ZK-CUX it cleaned up nice did the multi-cloth, ZK-DIG she would get you out of any hole of a strip. I would have to check my logbook to see if I flew any other interesting regos. ZK-DIG was my first equal favourite though and it made the front page of every newspaper in New Zealand on 22 July 1981. Just wish she had been the RG version. D-ETTH is quite a good one. I wonder if WTF would be assigned to an aircraft now considering what it is an abbreviation for?
Just wondering what that lake is in the background. I used to fly out of rockledge using lake poinsett and winder as Vis refs in the eighties. Can't afford to fly now in the UK and im sixty this year BAH!. I
if you ever get a chance to fly into Hobby Hill by Lake Wier it's a bit of a challenge. It has a pretty steep sloping grass runway. It's private but the owner is an EAA member and sometimes has picnics on the grounds.
I made it with C150, C150Stol, C172, C207 and C210... the roll didn't stress the structure of the plane... didn't try a loop in No Aerobatic plane, but Barrel Roll is no risky
@@sky3boy as long as you don't chicken out in the inverted portion and then split-s out of it... But yes... aileron rolls done properly are a low stress maneuver.
Don't try this with a 150 Commuter. You might pull the wings off. A Commuter is only certified for a 60 degree steep turn. But these little Aerobats are very nimble and fun aircraft.
I knew I had good feelings about the plane I grew up in lol. It's a Cessna 150 aerobat but it's very old. I'm nervous practicing my spin stalls in it. Let alone aerobatics lol.
@@annsanimationaddiction8024 Doesn't matter how "old" it is really! If it has been taken care of and received regular professional maintenance, never over stressed, and doesn't have 16,000 hours on the airframe, then it's fine.
Have only flown the 150 twice and didn't really care for it either time. Too cramped. Not enough power. Noisy. But I will admit its a very cheap plane to get your wings. Saw one on sale a month ago for $13k. THAT is cheap. But not sure I'd pay much more. I fly the Hurricane--a center wing aerobatic light sport, but have also flown the CAP 230 and Giles 202-- which are very nice aerobatic planes. Far easier to do complicated work because there is more reserve power and they handle like Ferrari in the sky. Easier to land too--just get heavy on rudder. Best of luck in your flying and someday you'll have to get into a real aerobatic plane. Try the Decathelon. It's much better than the 150.
Hello, do you mind me asking where you were while shooting this? I heard my callsign on the radio at about 5:04 in your video and cant remember where was! 3758X
I always preferred the 170 just because of creature comforts but I can't help but wonder how many low time pilots would still be here if there had been more of these acrobatic 150's made. Or for that part if Cessna had just made this the standard C150. Allowing a new pilot to experience rolls, spins, lazy 8's and other introductive maneuvers. From what's described it doesn't sound like a huge process to upgrade the plane? Apparently C182 struts, sky windows, pin pull door releases and some modifications in the tail and and inverted tanks. I'm curious what the increased cost percentage was over a standard C150? But what a fun and forgiving training platform. That would be a plane that would be fun to own or at least rent
No negative g’s at all because the engine will shut off. Many people think the Aerobat has an inverted engine system when it actually does not. Just some structural reinforcements, quick release doors, skylight, and shoulder harnesses. Everything else is the exact same
I've done lots of barrel rolls in stock 150's. It's a one G maneuver except for the pull up and puts NO strain on the airframe. Never looped one though. A friend of mine did loops in them back in the 70's and said it liked to get negative over the top, then..... all the cigarette butts would fall out of the ashtray, LOL.
It's not just about the airframe being strong enough to handle the maneuvers per-se. It's also about being strong enough and having the control authority to recover from an incorrectly performed maneuver.
Is this possible in any Cessna? Besides the fuel system being changed to electric fuel pump or changed to fuel injection are there any other changes needed?
Nice - but they gloss over the issue of rudder control. I do like the focus on stabilizing airspeed, RPM and directional reference ahead of the maneuver. Since the viewer can't see what they are doing with the rudder there probably should be more articulation of what's supposed to be happening there. ... don't forget, the rudder is performing a pitch control function (and ailerons are controlling yaw) during the roll exercise. This is just one of the essential concepts in aerobatics that any "how to" video should introduce since it's so fundamental to the whole maneuver.... it's the kind of thing that leads to the "ah haa!" moment for anyone in training. Just think about the relative surface areas of the rudder to the aileron slabs and what those things are doing when your bank is in the 90 degree range. Think about what would happen to pitch depending on what you do with the rudder at 90 degrees of bank.
@@scotabot7826 - What? Did your lawyer tell you to post that? Hilarious!!! Ohh darn, now MY lawyer says I can't sue you if I wreck the plane trying to roll it and kill myself... awww shucks.
This video has been so nostalgic for me. I gained my private pilot's licence many years ago (now expired) by flying 150s and 172s. I remember distinctly one day after I had qualified turning up at my local flying club to take a 150 or 172 up for an hour. None was available but I was told I could have the Aerobat if I wished. I happily agreed and took the bird into the air with checkerboard hood and all. I soon realised I was almost out of my depth with the extra power but I gradually gained my confidence and rented it on many more occasions. Super little aircraft.
Your ticket doesn't really expire. You just need to get your medical and put in some time with and instructor, probably more hours than just a biennial flight review, but it shouldn't take much to become proficient again.
When I was getting my commercial license, in the '70s, I got tired of the normal flying to build time so I took a 10 hour block of acro training. The first several hours were in an Aerobat. Fun times. The rest of it was in an AC Super Decathlon. I recommend that anyone aspiring to be a pilot should take a basic aerobatic course. You will become very comfortable with flying after doing so.
You have the right idea. Aerobatic training will make you a better pilot!!! I used to teach people how to fly along with a mild aerobatic course. The other part of my flying was as a aerobatic pilot preforming at airshows. That is REAL FUN ! ! ! ! !
I started in 73 and I Fully agree with you.
We also had an Aerobat & either a Straight Cetabra or Decathlon around.
Being a FBO employee (lineman didn't hurt either 😜) we only had to pay for the fuel.
My late uncle, USAF Colonel bought a Decathlon after he retired in 1976 (35 yrs in) He flew the P-51 thru to the F-4...what a career. Took me flying and golfing every week out of Redlands Ca. I was totally at ease (along with my instructor) taking flight lessons in 2008.
@@readmore3634 My Father-in-Law graduated from Redlands University and they retired there in 2002. Art Scholl taught at Redlands airport and at Flabob, and Rialto airports. He also was a professor of aeronautics and San Bernardino Valley College. Art and I met several times, once with me hand propping his S2 Pitts.
@@MaxEPR No way!....My very first time ever air born was in Art's Pitts... I was 20...1979....not with him but with the only other guy (Ken? My uncles friend) allowed to fly Art's planes. I thot we were going up in his Chipmunk but it was being prepped for a movie....strobe light machine guns on the wings and stuff.
In the Pitts were these weights on rails that slid fore and aft inside the Pitts, left and right of the seats. (for special maneuvers?) I built many R.C. balsa wood planes as a kid so I knew about maneuvers...and this was my big chance to live it....we flew above Chaffey College for an hour....I was so excited ... Ken let me do Cuban 8's (easy), hammer heads (fun!) Rolls ect.....but inverted flight was much more difficult than I thot. Thanks for the reply. Too bad we can't meet at Palm Meadows Golf Course....that's where we played golf. While all this was going on my uncle, Ewald G. Kruggel, was building his RV-4 kit.
supersabresociety.com/biography/ewald-g-kruggel/
Took my PP checkride in a 152....FAA examiner said, "My plane", then did a hammerhead followed by a loop...as we were upside down in the loop, he said, "By the way, you're a pilot." Never forget that.
Is that true? I want to believe so bad.
@@MatterInMotion me too!
A 152 doesnt produce enough power for such maneuvers and the VNE speed needed to perform the maneuver would be exceeded An exaggerated wing over stall would be likely
I don't know... Americans kind of have lax standards for licencing. In Canada every student HAS TO show that he or she can recover from a spiral dive, so they practice it multiple times. In the USA with their "FAA", they don't even do that procedure. LULZ. Gay.
@@alukuhito It's not only USA, a lot of countries don't have spin recovery required. The reasoning for this is that there were many unnecessary accidents during training, that wouldn't happen otherwise, since high altitude spin isn't a common thing. Yeah, a spin can be deadly, but stalls and spins are mostly ocurring at the low altitude and the training won't help that. You should know how to recover, of course, but I think the focus of the training should be on how to PREVENT spins in the first place. Hours spend on practicing recovering won't help you if you'll stall during a turn on the final.
Cessna engineers added only 16 lbs to the 150 to make the Aerobat. This included thicker skins and added ribs and stiffeners in critical locations, including wings, the vertical fin, horizontal stabilizer as well as strengthening the door post and bulkhead assy. The wing struts are noticeably " fatter" sourced from the Cessna 182. Additionally, Aerobat's feature jettisonable doors, removable seat cushions for parachute use as well as military style seat belts, skylights, and a "G"-meter. The engine and mount are the same as a stock 150, the only addition is the "aerobatic breather" on the engine case to minimize oil loss during aerobatic flight. The Aerobats were given distinctive paint jobs with fancy checkerboards/stripes, and upholstery on the seats.
Well said. You nailed it ! +6 -3 if my memory is still working !
Almost all correct ! Engine mount upper tubing has thicker wall due to 6g+ loading.Some say fuel pump was added ? I don't remember this. Any help ?
@@pauleyplay I've been working on an A150K (as a mechanic) every so often at my flight school, and there is no additional fuel pump on our aircraft.
@@Skyfighter64 Many thanks. 150 POH backs you up !
Paul Van Tries The Cessna Parts book doesn’t NOT list a separate engine mount for Aerobat’s. There is an early and late style mount but by 1970 when A150K was introduced they were all the same later style
One of the best local airshow routines I ever saw was a local crop duster flying his 1959 regular C 150. That guy made that little beast and it was no Aerobat. He made it do anything that the little 100 HP mill would allow . And made it look easy.
This is an awesome video. The "flight instructor" was patient, incredible calm and collective.
Nice! I soloed at 16 in a C150 Aerobat after 7 hours of dual with my CFI - he required all of his students - before solo - to be able to spin and recover before sign-off for 1st solo. However, I ALWAYS caged the instruments with gyros - artificial horizon and HI = Directional GYRO - before performing acrobatic maneuvers.
Ooooohhhh! That reminds me of my first aerobatics in an aerobat!
A nice calm instructor flying with you - good job!
I learned to fly in a Cessna 150 Aerobat while in college. Awesome looking aircraft having red accents with black and white checkering. One note of caution though, it could lead to a flying career in the US Air Force, which is exactly what happened to me. My first assignment was as an instructor pilot going out every work day to fly jet sorties involving aerobatics, hIgh and low level navigation, instrument training, and formation flying. It was the ride of my life. Class 78-03, Reese AFB, TX. Nice video and kudos to the instructor pilot.
I did my first aerobatic flying in an Aerobat in Kansas City. Not my first flying. My instructor was a retired P38 fighter pilot from WWII. He was around 300lbs...duh.. Got to the airplane that morning and it had a flat tire. He says to me, "we won't be on the ground very long." Hmmm ... This was around 1983, I think. I had already been flying since 1970 and flown some Pitts and Great Lakes before. So just tuning up in that little guy. They are fun to fly, and very responsive. Nice video. My first instructor was Ed Mahler out of Sky Manor in Pittstown NJ. He would let me rip at it back when I was around 15 or 16 years old. Like, try to crash it, kind of thing. My father told Ed, "Treat him like he was your son." So Ed would slap me upside my head and yell stuff like, "Keep those "effen" wings level!" One time pulling the keys out, engine off. Then he dropped the keys and we had to land in a cornfield. He apologized for that one. I miss aerobatic flying. Got too expensive. Now looking to buy a DA62.. LOL! Only $1.2 million.
I always thought the same thing. Aerobatics in a 150 just feels wrong. I've never flown an Aerobat, but I've flown 152s many times and they will always hold a special place in my heart. Not flashy or fast, but they fly so beautifully.
The only notable difference between a 150 & 152 is the engine. One's 100 & one's 110.
Climb up to about 2k and do a fauled up spin recovery attempt. Get the airplane in a really uncontrolled situation.
AND
let go.
The 150/152/172 will right itself.
Lovely Cessna 195 at the pumps at 2:39!
I saw it too. One of the best airplanes Cessna made, the Cessna 195 ! ! ! ! !
Love the 150! So much room in that super wide expansive cockpit... not.
No kidding, when I first started flying in a 152 I noticed the instructor was actually turned in the seat a little bit to help both of us fit that narrow cockpit.
Yes, you certainly get to know your passenger's elbows in a 150!!
Yes, 150 is very tight seating. We conceived our first child in a 150, and didn’t know it... well, I kinda knew it.
@rob379 Ok, that’s way too funny!
@rob379. Oh my....
I've never been in a "aerobatic" certified Cessna 150 or 152, but did end up on a flight with a guy who rolled a rented 152 trainer. (This, by the way was done at night over the ocean in the Los Angeles area.) At the time (1982 or so), I was a 16 year old student pilot "passenger" working as a dispatcher for the FBO that owned and rented the plane, so I naturally thought it was the coolest thing ever, next to my first solo, but I was told warned to tell anyone. Of course, I later learned how potentially dangerous the stunt could have been for numerous reasons, and obviously, never attempted anything like it myself. I do regret not having taken the time to get some personal aerobatic flight training as I do believe that it is a very good way to instill confidence in a pilot and possibly prepare one for a number of emergency scenarios that may involve abnormal or unusual flight maneuvers.
Thanks for the upload....
I have done that with a regular 150, but I was practicing departure stalls at the time, at a high altitude of course. And just a note, I took the little plane up to 13,600 feet and that was all she would do, just hanging on the prop, I believe the rated max was 12,600 feet. I loved that little airplane. That was back in the 1970s I looked up the N number the other day and found it in a junkyard up by Salt Lake City.
About a year after I got my private license I did some advanced stall/spin training in an Aerobat. My instructor was an ex Israeli fighter pilot. He wasn't certified to do aerobatic training so I didn't get to do loops or rolls. But a full power departure stall will put you inverted.
Only if you let it!!!!!! Very benign if flown correctly!!
Puts new meaning to the term "wheels up" lol
Gear up.
Are you kidding? This is a fixed gear.
Nope, not kidding
Ekl Haft jeez there the same thing
@@eklhaft4531 seems he was just making a joke about the "wheels up" during the roll...
@@martynh5410 I don't know what I did there 9 months ago. Probably a trolling attempt. I know he puts gear up when inverted. Or maybe the comment changed idk. I must admit my comment looks stupid now.
I got to do my first 7 hours and student solo in a new aerobat C-150 back in 1972. The paint job was really cool back then!!👍
I flew an Aerobat once that also had a Robertson STOL kit. It was hard to spin....aileron rolls were superfast and you could land it in about 300'.
I used to rent a 150 aerobatic back in my USAF pilot days. Though one could do basic aerobatics in the plane, it was so underpowered that I spent most of my time recovering altitude/energy, so I could do the next maneuver.
Same with the snap-roll in the C-150A, 20 to 30 deg nose high then into it. Snap rolls are a bit more fun but much more load on the fuselage, imparts a torsion moment (twisting) to the airframe that the barrel roll and aileron rolls do not, so a lot of owners stay away from the snaps. BTW, if you want a great over-the-top spin entry, instead of gently throwing the rudder down, give it some extra airspeed - 5-10 KIAS above stall, then snatch the stick back as you stuff the rudder full-in. It goes up and over the top into the entry, fun from inside the cockpit and looks pretty if you are being judged for a competition.
My instructor was a WW II check pilot who took me up for spin training and then told me we would do a flat spin too. He said Really it's a snap roll but this plane isn't rated for aerobatics. It was a 152 U so it was plenty strong enough. Snap rolls are more fun. He is long gone now and so is the plane.
There is a brace plate at the base of the tail fin that offers strengthening of the vertical surfaces. Also found on the C152 aerobat, great for lollipop aerobatics and intro to aeros on a budget.
Most of us began our flight training in the 150 but I never personally went beyond a hammerhead stall in one lol. But then it wasn't rated for acrobatics. Thx for the share.
I dig how aerobat is written upsidedown lol
Same here bro. This is some epic stuff
In the early ,1953 till 1975 my Pop was a Stunt Pilot for the USAF SAC Thunderbirds
. His biggest was locking brakes at take off, wind her up to FT, flip the retract wheel lever and BLAST OFF at 600mph in seconds with the wheels retracting as the bird went airborn.
While getting my Private in a standard 150 I was doing a solo cross country leg. I'm at 7-8000 feet on a long leg with a stiff headwind on a super clear day.... so I see my next 5 checkpoints and can almost see to my destination 45+ minutes away. Thus, I am bored. So I secure my clipboard and do a few rolls. Nice. A little later, how about some barrel rolls? Well, since there is always positive G, no need to secure the clipboard again. Set it on the right seat. Do barrel roll to the left and all according to plan. Try one to the right and eff it up 3/4 the way through.... peripherally I see the clipboard lift, move away from me.... then WHAM in the right temple area. I saw stars and it left a nice mark on my face. Back at the debrief, "what happened, did you have that on your face when you left?" "Yes..."
Did the start of my aerobatic rating training in an Aerobat, great times.
Lawnmower with wings. But you can make it do an acro job with good energy management. I love them.
Hello,,I recall, the first C150 AEROBATIC , did not have those top windows,,if I recall right, but they ALL had a special paint job like a cross hatch,,on both wings, & body & I believe the vertical stabilizer There was ONLY ONE @ CDW, in FAIRFIELD NJ , C150 all had 40 ^ FLAPS but it became only 30^ on the C152, my time there WAS 87 OCTAINE FUEL. CHEERS FROM NJ. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
ALL Aerobat models from day one had the Skylight windows above. You could also order a straight/regular 150 model with the skylight windows as a option, although not many were ordered that way, there are some out there. Don't assume it's a Aerobat just because it has the skylights in it, but ALL Aerobats left the Cessna factory with the skylights.
Real/Armchair pilots: **talking about what would be possible in a Cessna and structural integrity**
GTA V pilots doing aileron rolls in an airliner: 🥱
Loved my 150 aerobat. My daughter when she was very young asked how do you get the doors back once you pull the pins and release them.
"awww sweetie, that's kinda like putting the arms back on your barbie doll".
Don't play with that, if the doors come off we have to buy a new one
you call the insurance company
You don't get them back unless you go looking for them.
@@stanktail 👍
I like the factory paint scheme on the aerobats.
Nice. You made it look so easy. I used to do spins too to be sure that recovery was a natural reactions. thanks
I flew an Aerobat several times in the 1970s. Fun.
The plane I'm gonna train in and grew up flying in is a Cessna 150 aerobat. I always thought these alterations were how they all were haha.
The boss's plane is pretty old though, and I don't trust myself to do aerobatics in it.
Awesome to see you Reppin UCF! GO KNIGHTS!!
Before any flight expecting unusual attitudes, know that you're in the weight envelope before flight and nothing is loose in the cabin. Have sic sac for beginner and a small water bottle. (Not saying they didn't know their weight. They were ostensibly using a 'known load' ;)
Rolling a car is more dangerous than rolling a plane.
I've rolled a lot of radio-controlled planes. That's the safest way to roll... LOL
And rolling a motorcycle is even worse.
@@a.b.6233 I’d rather take my chances in a motorcycle with just my helmet than roll on a car
Wow, great video, really enjoyed watching it from various camera angles, well done! Nice landing btw.
I love the steam gauges!
I don't fly enough to satisfy glass cockpit training. Wish I did.
The tail reinforcements are in the torque tubes that connect your elevators to the control cables. Those tubes by the way cost almost $2000 dollars and it just consists of a tube welded to a square piece of metal about 6 inches on each side. (And if you look at the welds they could be done better IMHO). Why do I know this? Because I worked for a flight school for 10 years as an A&P technician and I had to replace a set of these. My boss asked me to look up the price and I literally gasped when I saw the price!
I learned to fly in a cessna 150 , I remeber we did all that stuff with mi instructor. But never realised it was an aerobat😱😱
I once owned a Cessna 150, and to my pleasure I role'd, looped, spun, wing-overs, split S's, in other words,,,I had lots of fun for years.
Aerobat?
WE wish you had a follow airplane to video you playing around so we could see the airplane doing the loops and rolls from a different view. Can you set that up. I am sure you would love that also.
Now that would be cool! Maybe I can make that happen
FloridaFlying I fly out of FL-58 with my 150, maybe we can collaborate to get some awesome shots!
Either way fly in sometime and say hello we got 5500’ of smooth grass!
Thanks for posting. I learnt a lot. RPM, SPEED.
You can made a barrell roll with any airplane, is a 1G manouvre no risk for the plane, set climb throttle, fuel pump on and speed push down until the speed reach the green arc limit, pull up ans set 30°, the apply full left and made a barrel roll... didn't try right...
I learned in a 152. To this day it remains my favorite airplane. I was up to about 20 or so hours of dual training when my instructor taught me how to do snap-rolls, barrel rolls, inside loops, Immelmann's, etc. It all started one day when I wanted to know how to recover from a basic spin....and afterwards he asked if I was interested in seeing more than just a "simple spin"...and the rest is history. It has been years since I last did anything more than fly straight and level (except stalls every now and then to stay current), but I've never regretted the "extra" training. Yes, he hammered home the need to keep positive G's flowing, since the normal 152 is not rated otherwise.
EXCELLENT Instructor.... Kudos !
I got one for you to do. Get up to safe altitude, pull the throttle back all the way. Hold the plane level! You will need to pull all the way back on the controls but Don't anything other than pull back, don't move then left or right! Keep the plane level with the rudder! At the low speed only your rudder can do anything to keep you level. The plane will drop almost straight down with very little forward movement After dropping down some keeping it level then add power and recover from the stall! I had someone show me this! It is not easy at first but it can get to be fun. When it gets to be fun stop doing it! When it is fun you can make mistakes! But a 152 will drop about 500 feet a minute holding it level in a stall. Making a mistake here could put you in a spin! So be careful and don't go to low before you recover from the stall.
Learning to feel the beginning of a stall and stall recovery is part of every pilot‘s training to get the license.
This is holding it in a stall for over minute wings level! Dropping, falling down with very little forward movement! Then remove from stall.
I have done that with the spin in a 150. It was great. Just make sure you recover quickly...
@@goneflying140 The trick with this is to be able to Fly it when stalled, no spin! When it stalls one wing wants to dip! Most want to move the aileron to lift the wing. That stalls the low wing more. That can get you in a spin. I spin at low altitude is a killer. But if you stall on final and use your rudder to keep it level, Ailerons don't do any good in a stall! The rudder can and will level the airplane, that can stop it from spinning! You can fly it some when stalled, or at least control it. And at the speed it drops level when stalled is something that you can live over. It is not much more than what you are descending on final! 500-800 feet per min!
Why?
Flew an Aerobat for much of my PPL training. It was N-9811J and we jokingly nicknamed it 9811JET because it was slow and flew like a rock compared to the 152s the school had. Navarro College, anyone? I've heard Cessna only added around 20 pounds to make the aerobatic 150, but I think it's much more than that. The mechanic would get pissed when anyone did inversions because he had to fix the gyros. He'd sometimes yell at students & it was reported he had another way of knowing if we did aerobatics, which were prohibited by the school, anyway. One fun thing about 9811JET is it's the only time I flew backwards! On a cross country from Longview to Corsicana in strong headwinds I slowed to MCA & watched cars on I-20 (or I-30?) going faster than me! I'm sure it's a great plane, maybe with 150 or 180 HP & a tailwheel conversion, but 9811JET was a real dog & not in good cosmetic condition, but it had a lower hourly rate so many flew it.
This was common in Cubs and Aeroncas on a windy day.
Seeing a 150 doing aerobatics is dope 😆
I would love to see that from a another vantage point. Maybe another plane.
What a great little plane. The Aerobat also features a mechanical fuel pump as standard high-wing Cessnas fuel is gravity fed. Nice flying!
Oh nice I don’t think I knew that! I absolutely love the Aerobat, it feels wrong to do aerobatics in it (but so right). Thanks for watching!
No fuel pump on an Aerobat
There were NO kind of fuel pumps on any Cessna 150/152 or any Aerobat from the factory!!! None whatsoever. There MAY be some type of pump included with the O320 STC.
my brother owns a 150 but not like this one. I go flying with him when ever i get the chance.
That flight school has a lot of neat planes. I flew that 150 and absolutely loved doing aerobatics. If you haven't done them yet, I suggest you try to do some whip stalls they are so much fun.
Is that anything like an accelerated stall?
I was a flight instructor for 16 years before my students soloed they could enter and recover from a spin or they did get a sign off from me. FAA didn't like it but I knew my people could fly
That tail number is hilarious 😂😂 great flying!
Why is N90PP so funny? O you mean Pee Pee not Papa Papa. I get is now.
What's funny about Delta Delta Zero Six November?
My favorite tail numbers I’ve seen are D-ETTH and OH-WTF
@@FloridaFlying How about VH-MSG, nickname was Chinese Takeaway, ZK-CUX it cleaned up nice did the multi-cloth, ZK-DIG she would get you out of any hole of a strip. I would have to check my logbook to see if I flew any other interesting regos. ZK-DIG was my first equal favourite though and it made the front page of every newspaper in New Zealand on 22 July 1981. Just wish she had been the RG version.
D-ETTH is quite a good one. I wonder if WTF would be assigned to an aircraft now considering what it is an abbreviation for?
FloridaFlying LMAO I need to make sure that when I do get a plane, it has a ‘nice sounding’ tail number. Something catchy
I do these stunts all the time......
With my RC plane!
do you use left rudder like in this video on your R/C plane?
I use the rudder if I want to do a barrel roll.........
@@fastdude2002 oh a barrel roll, hmmmmm, maybe they are doing barrel rolls here in this spectacular video? then again, maybe not , may just A-ROLLS
very good. ir's your own cessna 150 for hobby or for CPL in the institution
Just wondering what that lake is in the background.
I used to fly out of rockledge using lake poinsett and winder as Vis refs in the eighties.
Can't afford to fly now in the UK and im sixty this year BAH!.
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if he's west of St Johns out of TIX it's maybe Lake Cone. That's the smaller lake they are over. What you see in the distance is the Indian River
if you ever get a chance to fly into Hobby Hill by Lake Wier it's a bit of a challenge. It has a pretty steep sloping grass runway. It's private but the owner is an EAA member and sometimes has picnics on the grounds.
Okay I was about to really rip you on doing this in a regular 150 LOL
I know what you mean. I kept saying to myself, please say Aerobat, keep saying Aerobat!!!!!
I made it with C150, C150Stol, C172, C207 and C210... the roll didn't stress the structure of the plane... didn't try a loop in No Aerobatic plane, but Barrel Roll is no risky
Is a regular Cessna 150 rated for Standard or Utility? Do you know the difference?
@@sky3boy How do you know? Did you engineer the airplane yourself?
@@sky3boy as long as you don't chicken out in the inverted portion and then split-s out of it... But yes... aileron rolls done properly are a low stress maneuver.
Really looks like fun, I wish I had the opportunity to take a lesson or two in an Aerobat.
Don't try this with a 150 Commuter. You might pull the wings off. A Commuter is only certified for a 60 degree steep turn. But these little Aerobats are very nimble and fun aircraft.
I knew I had good feelings about the plane I grew up in lol.
It's a Cessna 150 aerobat but it's very old. I'm nervous practicing my spin stalls in it. Let alone aerobatics lol.
@@annsanimationaddiction8024 Doesn't matter how "old" it is really! If it has been taken care of and received regular professional maintenance, never over stressed, and doesn't have 16,000 hours on the airframe, then it's fine.
That was fantastic Mate you did very very well, I recon
Can you do a split S in the 150 Aerobat?
Sure can. Roll it over. back around to level. Watch your speed buildup !
I thought that was the 1st stunt.
Roll a 150! Now I have seen it all.
They do great four point rolls.
I was just giggling the whole time watching this :D
Is an aerobatic plane safer than a regular plane? Wouldn’t it be wise for someone to upgrade their plane even if they don’t plan on doing aerobatics?
no
The airframe would be "structurally" safer/stronger, but it's doesn't make the pilot any safer!!!!
Have only flown the 150 twice and didn't really care for it either time. Too cramped. Not enough power. Noisy. But I will admit its a very cheap plane to get your wings. Saw one on sale a month ago for $13k. THAT is cheap. But not sure I'd pay much more. I fly the Hurricane--a center wing aerobatic light sport, but have also flown the CAP 230 and Giles 202-- which are very nice aerobatic planes. Far easier to do complicated work because there is more reserve power and they handle like Ferrari in the sky. Easier to land too--just get heavy on rudder. Best of luck in your flying and someday you'll have to get into a real aerobatic plane. Try the Decathelon. It's much better than the 150.
You're not comparing apples to apples! That's like comparing a Champ to a Decathlon!
Keep up the aerobatics and you'll be a great pilot
Loop ( the Pic) or a roll . Wingover , lomsevack, flat spin ,spin ,side slip , ???
Hello, do you mind me asking where you were while shooting this? I heard my callsign on the radio at about 5:04 in your video and cant remember where was! 3758X
Awesome Cessna
150,s are the most awesome planes. underpowered..
but very forgiving.
I always preferred the 170 just because of creature comforts but I can't help but wonder how many low time pilots would still be here if there had been more of these acrobatic 150's made. Or for that part if Cessna had just made this the standard C150. Allowing a new pilot to experience rolls, spins, lazy 8's and other introductive maneuvers.
From what's described it doesn't sound like a huge process to upgrade the plane? Apparently C182 struts, sky windows, pin pull door releases and some modifications in the tail and and inverted tanks. I'm curious what the increased cost percentage was over a standard C150?
But what a fun and forgiving training platform. That would be a plane that would be fun to own or at least rent
You maked me remember the old LV LBU tha I use to fly maaaany years ago in Bs As Argentina...LOL
I used to do spins in a regular 150...
Caca
Anything else you want to do? Hell yes, mabeca couple spins or a loop. Do snap rolls exceed the flight window?
great video, a chase plane filming the action would have been awesome but a great vid none the less
BTW you can do aerobatics in a regular 150 as long as you don't exceed limits. 1 g maneuvers are ok.
Robert Schuster I’m sorry but no you can’t. In the POH it states you can only do approved maneuvers. It would also be incredibly stupid to do so.
So through out the roll you maintain some positive lift on main wing (you never unload or nor negative lift on main wing) ?
No negative g’s at all because the engine will shut off. Many people think the Aerobat has an inverted engine system when it actually does not. Just some structural reinforcements, quick release doors, skylight, and shoulder harnesses. Everything else is the exact same
I've done lots of barrel rolls in stock 150's. It's a one G maneuver except for the pull up and puts NO strain on the airframe. Never looped one though. A friend of mine did loops in them back in the 70's and said it liked to get negative over the top, then..... all the cigarette butts would fall out of the ashtray, LOL.
It's not just about the airframe being strong enough to handle the maneuvers per-se. It's also about being strong enough and having the control authority to recover from an incorrectly performed maneuver.
Is this possible in any Cessna? Besides the fuel system being changed to electric fuel pump or changed to fuel injection are there any other changes needed?
NO
I wish they still made them.
the cessna was the best plane they ever made , they should bring them back in part 103
Great instructor!
That was awesome, thanks for sharing it.
Isn't the Aerobat the model 152?
No 152 later model, Lycoming engine & small changes
Both 150 and 152.
There are 150's and A150 Aerobats, as well as 152's and A152 Aerobats. There were a lot less A152's than there were A150's manufactured.
Awesome. What school are you using?
What about inverted oil? and a fuel pump for inverted?
As I remember the standard 150 yoke only rotates 90 degs, the aerobat yoke rotates 180 degs.
what kind of license do you need for that?
A pilots license
In the US there is no extra license or to legally do aerobatics in an aerobatic approved or experimental airplane
Great instructor.
Are these aerobatic planes still available? If so were can I start looking for them. Sounds like a lot of $$$$
I remember, there was quite some talk about it when it came out! Late -60s?
I see an Aerobat...I click like and subscribe...
those Cessna's are pretty much flying cars with piston engines and they're just as affordable
Great Video! Thanks!
Nice - but they gloss over the issue of rudder control. I do like the focus on stabilizing airspeed, RPM and directional reference ahead of the maneuver. Since the viewer can't see what they are doing with the rudder there probably should be more articulation of what's supposed to be happening there. ... don't forget, the rudder is performing a pitch control function (and ailerons are controlling yaw) during the roll exercise. This is just one of the essential concepts in aerobatics that any "how to" video should introduce since it's so fundamental to the whole maneuver.... it's the kind of thing that leads to the "ah haa!" moment for anyone in training. Just think about the relative surface areas of the rudder to the aileron slabs and what those things are doing when your bank is in the 90 degree range. Think about what would happen to pitch depending on what you do with the rudder at 90 degrees of bank.
This video WAS NOT intended for instruction. You need to be aware of that!
@@scotabot7826 - What? Did your lawyer tell you to post that? Hilarious!!! Ohh darn, now
MY lawyer says I can't sue you if I wreck the plane trying to roll it and kill myself... awww shucks.
How much rudder are you applying? I never done a roll in any aircraft.. I noticed your using full aileron in the roll . Nice work!
-- It rolls fine with just elevator and rudder, no need for ailerons...
What is the reasoning behind the left rudder (or was it right rudder), i noticed that the rudder physically went left.
This video has been so nostalgic for me. I gained my private pilot's licence many years ago (now expired) by flying 150s and 172s. I remember distinctly one day after I had qualified turning up at my local flying club to take a 150 or 172 up for an hour. None was available but I was told I could have the Aerobat if I wished. I happily agreed and took the bird into the air with checkerboard hood and all. I soon realised I was almost out of my depth with the extra power but I gradually gained my confidence and rented it on many more occasions. Super little aircraft.
Your ticket doesn't really expire. You just need to get your medical and put in some time with and instructor, probably more hours than just a biennial flight review, but it shouldn't take much to become proficient again.