Yes if there's ice/snow, I put on studded tires.. They have also big thread for snow and they are made in Finland.. Therefore they are good. I do it because I want to ride also at winter.
My winter tire is 23mm super hard compound.... for my turbo trainer, ha ha. Because there is no road tire for snow and ice, wich I have here in Slovakia actualy, and thru whole winter 😉
Have you tried using a camera/phone etc and gloves? Obviously it wasn't freezing cold, but they are making a video.. . It's practical to let your fingers go black so you can put a nice video we all enjoy on youtube
my favourite part about this video is how all of the shots of bad winter roads were shot in my village, and let me tell you, they're almost that bad year round
Waiting to read all the comments from riders who live in countries with real winters (the Scandi's, eastern Europe, Canada, pacific north west US etc etc.) about real winter tires...
I always watch this kind of video with attention, so I can learn how this thing called riding in the winter works, because in Rio de Janeiro/Brazil we only have two seasons hell and hotter than hell, It's funny to think about riding in the winter...
Dude this is a sad excuse for “winter riding”. I used to live in Yellowknife: weather was below - 30C all winter, on occasion below -40C. These Brits complaining about the rain is just adorable. This fellow made a great video of his morning commute: th-cam.com/video/WgCS3mttf6E/w-d-xo.html
@@wilfdarr man, if the temperature here reachs bellow 25º C, we start to use 2 -3 layers of clothes (it depends on the person). I really don't think that someday I'll be in a -30ºC place, 'cause all the opportunities (5 times) I've been bellow 0º C, I've panicked, thinking that I'd freeze to death locked in the cars or buses, that I was at the time, and start rush my wife (and other people sometimes) to go away. I will NEVER ride (nor drive a car) in this kind of conditions that you talked about.
Trust me I’m sure the snow is bad in Yellowknife, not saying anything about severity. The problem in the uk is that the weather is always unpredictable, even in the winter. If you think you’ll get a dry ride, you won’t. PLUS thick ol’ gatorskins are for autumn trees more than winter breeze, and we get plenty of tree fall!
@@wilfdarr that vid looks pretty dry, it's not the cold that gets you its the damp. the snow in the UK instantly semi-melts like someone poured a disgusting gray slush puppy over the roads and pavements and that's if it does snow it usually just rains but not cool storms like you get over in the Americas or even hard rain that you can listen to in the background while reading a good book just drizzle that ensures everything stays damp for 4 months a year and the sky is a constant wall of gray spanning the entire country no crisp sunny winter days here just damp dark windy wretchedness. our weather is not extreme it's just miserable
Have to use winter tyres. We have icy roads (and snow/slush/etc) and thing called ”killer gravel”, so you need to have really good puncture protection and studs. Continental Contact Spike, Schwalbe Marathon Winter (or Winter Plus), Terrene Griswold, 45NRTH Gravdal and Suomi Tyres Routa are mostly used options. Yes, this is Finland so it’s everything from +8’C to -25’C.
@@JMcLeodKC711 That's probably because you have been running too low pressures. Up the pressure, set it up tubeless or add som kind of liner on the inside. Schwalbe Marathon Winter (not plus) tend to do that after a while. They've produced a few bad batches of those tyres.
I can't quite the two of you seriously when talking about winter tyres when you're both riding without gloves, dura ace Di2, carbon wheels and no mudguards....maybe I'm just poor lol
LOL. They obviously haven't ridden at "winter temperatures" near or below "0". Then you need gloves and spiked tires. They look as they are dressed for a chilly summer day here in Norway :-)
Yes, depending on were you ride. On more rural/semi rural roads (often covered in mud, gravel, etc, ) then something with a file tread is a better choice than a slicker tyre. Also, run them tubeless. Or use an inner tube with slime. Winter isn't the time to be worrying about weight or rolling resistance.
For my normal winter riding season in Alberta, Canada, I mostly use my fat bike with 4.6” 49N Wrathchilds with carbide studs at 10 psi. The problem is ice under snow. Also, I’ve found that shifters freeze below -15C unless you use low temp grease. Below that the biggest problem is keeping feet/hands warm but I’m happy to ride down to -28C. Below that I find that chains start to snap a little too easily on hard shifts, and then you’re buggered.
I swap out to Schwalbe x-ones for winter - I'm riding the leaf/ mud strewn wet and slippery Peak District back lanes, they provide so much more confidence especially compared to my mate who's 'dancing on ice' far too often!
Estonia isn't as cold as it used to be, but icy roads need studded tyres, even if you don't think you need them. The worst scenario is ice with rain ontop. This is scary even with studs, but doable
Just bought a pair of Continental GP 4 season tires a couple of days ago. If anything, hoping the added piece of mind will make me less skittish about cornering/descending in the cold and wet.
@@PitPStar Mud, water and ice, and on the road this additional traction is needed anyway, sometimes it could be a snow or an ice blizzard, then its life saving, and above all if you have enough traction its a big fun to hit the road when its a bit snowy and cold and fresh
Job done GCN, buying some P ZERO™ VELO 4S 23-622 | 25-622 | 28-622 try them out, only took about 8 years of watching GCN videos for product endorsement to work, good video
Just mounted Schwalbe K-guard Winter studded tires on my commuter/trekking/grave/winter training ride. Don’t swap tires on my roadbikes and don’t normally ride them in winter but a few occasions when it is dry and minimum +4 C.
Do I use dedicated winter tires? Of course!! Over here in the middle of Maine, morning temps will be below freezing nearly every morning for the next four months. So I rely on studded snow tires from Finland to help keep me upright on the way to my favorite coffee shop to meet friends.
I have an older Bianchi cross bike running Ritchey Speedmax tires that I use in winter. Not uncommon for it to snow, or be at least slushy, on multiple occasions, so it's nice to have that larger tire, and the slightly more relaxed geometry (compared to my road bike) is nice when the going gets rough.
definately. going from 25 mm continental gp 5000 in summer to 28mm continental 4seasons tyres in winter. More comfort, more grip and better pucture protection
Conti 4 seasons year round in Peak District and Surrey. Road surfaces terrible and decent Vitoria Corsa 2.0 which are superb but save them for Europe in the summer as they just get shredded in the Surrey Hills.When I lived in Switzerland you could use them year round as the road surfaces were so good.
Michelin Pro 4 Endurance Mk2 for me. Not having to stop to change an innertube is worth the trade-off imho. Where I probably disagree with this review is where thread pattern are concerned. Imho they simply do not matter on road bike tires. Manufacturers put them there for customer re-assurance, nothing more in the same way that a cycle tire can never ever 'aquaplane'. It's just not possible. Quite the opposite, Threads can capture and embed sharp objects which otherwise wouldn't leading to obvious complications without wanting to mention the word.
I have this question to Hank. Suppose he gets real winter, with real cold, ice and also snow this year. What kind of tires for bicycle and more importantly, which shoes would he use? I bought shimano nw7 winter boots for this winter.. I expect them to have better grip on ice than my previous winter boots had. I have also Shimano treking pedals, that have other side platform.. For icy roads. And for easier uncliping, I use sh56 cleats... And I have 40mm wide studded tires, with big tread.
32mm Contental 4 Season tire's are great! They are plush and grip great on wet/muddy/cold conditions! Base training in winter so little increase in weight/rolling resistance like 30g+extra 3-2watts LOL
You can wear them out real quick riding them in warm conditions. Anything over 20C and you can hear them gripping the tarmac. My rear has a flat line down the middle from leaving them on all summer.
@@AdamBoothUK i made over 10k km last summer. No problem at all. There are tires with better grip on summer for sure,but they are really strong overall. And thats what i need :)
I have Continental 4 seasons (Your pre Pirelli favourite) on my wheels. Love the non/low punkture quality. Because of that my question is, how do they work in the summer. Do I have to buy an extra set of wheels for the summer, not being a speedfantom?
That's down to personal choice and also the intended bike you're putting it on. I had 4 seasons on my commuter all year round where as my weekend fun bike ran Rubino pro IIIs all year round. Both are great tyres but you can't get the pro IIIs anymore. I dont really recommend the new Rubino Pro's that replaced the Pro IIIs. They are less puncture resistant and don't grip half as good as they used to. If you're going to run expensive tyres like GP5000s in spring/summer. I would try to preserve and hopefully extend their life a little by switching them with something else for the winter. Everything is personal opinion/choice. For the commuter, puncture protection is always better than a speedy tyre
What about tyre width for winter tyres? You only mentioned 25mm in the video but my Synapse will take upto a 30mm (I think). Would I be better with a wider tyre?
#GCNTECH I’ve deep cleaned my drivetrain (disassembled and soaked in degreaser every single part) then reassembled and lub with dry lub (finish line) which is transparent. After waiting few hours and wiped down the excess lub, the cloth is still showing black grease spots. Where is that coming from !?! Thanks
Are (uk) winter tyres still necessary with tubeless tyres? Snow and ice aside, for cold and wet conditions would dropping the pressure a bit not be adequate rather than changing to a different tyre?
My gravel bike is a modern bike so it's easy to switch to something knobier. But my road bikes are classics. How do I run full fenders on my 90's steel road bike and winter tires?
Two questions: 1. What Alex's frame size, looks bigger than Ollie's one? As I know Ollie's Orbea frame is L. 2. You mentioned F1 tyres, so do cycling pro riders warm up winter tyres before the race and how?! Or they handle with frozen wood tyres until the finish? Personally I'm not using winter tyres due to the short but severe winter conditions in our area.
Here in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Once it drops to an average of atleast 0 degree's celcius I switch to Schwalbe Winter K-Guard Studded 35mm 700c Tires. Once the snow starts staying down so does the ice. Though I've tried once to get buy on all season tires at the beginning of winter (my 1st winter ride). I ended up over the handle bars. I cycle all year long as it is my means of commuting to work. Has anyone had success with riding in the snow or ice with some really knobby gravel tires?
Dear Mr Hambini what ever gave you that idea 🤔 Dear GCN please no 'Winter Pirelli tyres' I've already spent all my money on super heavy aero wheels and fat tyres 😔
summer tyres all year, but in winter I ride only on the turbo :P some days on race out but can count that on 1 hand, most of the times I go outdoors on my gravelbike in the winter. also to keep my apitite healthy and when the springs comes I realy enjoy the racebike more.
I don't use winter tires because we don't really have much winter where I live (Houston). But I love my Pirelli P Zero velo clinchers. No tire is easier to mount and they feel great on the road. No more Conti 5000 for me.
Conti Gatorskins best puncture protection i have ever had in 12years of cycling. And they last for AGES years infact! 28mm clinchers. Maybe slow, just have to push harder 😅
To be fair about the gloves - they're based in Bath. Winter? Mild and wet, wet, wet. I've gone gravel, so no need any more to change the tyres come November (as I did for years). Normal great vid - thanks guys.
Tyre compound matters, yes, but! Conforming to irregularities on the surface/road to a certain extent actually decreases rolling resistance. For example, Continental's Gatorskins are much tougher and almost feel like plastic to the touch, but have almost double (in the realm of 8-10 watts per tyre...) the rolling resistance of GP 5000's at optimal pressure, etc. when both tyres' rolling surface when biking in a straight line is exactly the same (practically sleek).
I only use a gravel bike (2018 fuji jari 1.3) with two set of wheels as a road and gravel bike. So I don't really care about perfect performance and (I still do 31-32 km/h average 100km+ 1000D+ group rides with it, but no crits or whatever). So I only use a set of tires all year round for simplicity. I use 28mm tubetype continental 4 seasons on a dt swiss p1800 set for road all year round, sometimes switch with 35mm donelly x'plor ush for light gravel or allroad bikepacking. I also replaced the front hub on my original Stan's NoTubes Grail S1 front wheel with a son dynamo hub for touring after the back hub failed. I use 40mm tubeless hutchinson touaregs on a gr1600 set for gravel, I bring them to quasi-xc settings quite often or more rolly winter "allroad" settings, they are slightly unsufficient in the mud (but nothing technique can't fix) and slightly overkill for summer type 1/2 gravel but I won't switch tires because it's too annoying with tubeless.
Switched to Michelin power road tubeless in September, basically those tyres are not coming off and back on again if I can avoid it! Apparently quite a grippy tyre so hoping that tubeless upgrade is enough to tide me over the worst months, doing ok so far. one tyre to rule them all?
what about a similar video but with wider tyres, like 32mm, for the winter? 25mm in winter conditions may not give many advantages compared to 32mm or 35mm slick tyres, winterish or not
I've been using my bike with bigger tyres for the last couple of weeks. 42mm (I think) Panaracer SKs. Not winter specific, but am I getting better grip than I would with 28mm 4000s? I can feel much more rolling resistance - not bad going uphill, but harder to keep up on the flats. Are these a sensible option?
I've swapped from 28mm road tyre to 37mm off-road tyres purely because, around here, the tractors are now leaving mud all over the road and the cycle tracks are full of puddles and slimy mud.
Good timing! I was going to write in to #askgcntech about this. Although you mentioned TL, my question is, what happens to the sealant in colder temperatures? I've noticed how much stiffer the tires are already (compared to riding clinchers last year) and have felt less grippy on corners in temperatures from 4-8 degrees C (Vancouver, Canada). They are 25mm Conti 5000TL. btw I wear long finger gloves with NZwool liners in this temp! And speaking of temperature, if I put said bike and tires on a trainer indoors, will they overheat?
As a relative newbie I am looking to get winter tyres on my tubeless Giant TCR. They have 700x25 tyres fitted. I have been looking at the tyres mentioned (Pirelli Cinturato) online and they appear to start at 700x26 and say they are tubular and tubeless ready. Can I use these type and size on my set up and is tubular completely different to what I have?
First thing-you guys need some mudguards, I know you have an “Ass Saver” Olly, but full guards is what you need. When I used my Specialized Roubaix during winter I had Continental 4 Seasons tyres on it, now I have a Ti gravel bike I use as my winter bike and have 45mm Hutchinson Overide tyres set up tubeless @ 30psi front, and 35psi rear-loads of grip!
With you 100% John, went from gator skins 28mm@ 100psi to Schwalbe 1g’s 36mm on my gravel and 30mm on my ti @45 & 65 psi respectively and it has transformed commuting. So much more comfy and better grip.. more punctures though especially in the wet when tubeless really struggles to seal, at least there are plugs eh..defo not looking to go back to tubes..can’t understand why they would be riding deep section wheels and no mudguards.. this is Britain ffs.. come on guys be real..
Winter tires, as distinct from snow tires, for autos are a very good thing, and winter tires for bikes should be a good thing, so I had a look at Pirelli's bike tire website (what product placement?) and there's no mention of the temperatures for which their P ZERO™ Velo 4S have been optimized nor mention of four-season, much less winter, suitability of the tubeless only [eyeroll] Cinturato [chin-too-rah-to] Velo. There's also no mention of what temperature below which the "summer tire" P ZERO™ Velo becomes unsuitable. So; #askGCN, who makes a proper winter bicycle tire, and what temperature envelope are they designed for?
I have never put winter tyres on my CAAD5. I used to ride on Conti GP4000s, now it's a set of Schwalbe Lugano. Not quite the same, but they are acceptable.....
Hi! This is my first winter season as a cyclist (I used to swim throughout winter, but then covid happened), I would like to invest in some new tyres, however right now I have 23'' and if I am not mistaken 25'' should fit on the wheels. My question to the more experienced/tech oriented cyclists out there: how do I know if the tires not only fit on the wheels, but also fit between my frame?
@@Cyclonut96 I do know that and just made a typo, not that it matters because the question is no longer relevant since I got my new tyres and they fit perfectly.
I do not use winter tyres I run my cross country 29ers. We are about to get our first accumulating snow of the season and I am on a quest to find the pressure that will give me the best foot print. I normally run regular pressures but I want to tweak it to get the best performance possible.
@gcntech #askgcn Do we have any more arctic friends capable of doing a real snow commuting piece about winter tires with studs or without? Rainy winter would be great but unfortunately here in Finland we have ice and snow instead.
For the non paid advertisement answer: You don't need different tires for the winter on your road bike. Unless you run super expensive and fragile racing stuff but then again if you do you probably can afford to have a pair of training wheels. Just lower the pressure and keep a spare tube. Tubeless on the road is useless and messy.
The term "winter" seems to be relative. These guys are riding in what would be early autumn conditions here. I run 45Nrth Gravdals in the winter here. I could probably get by with something a little less aggressive, like Schwalbe Marathon Winter to gain some rolling efficiency, but getting caught on a day when it snowed 6" while I was working makes the Gravdals a little more useful.
Sure enough, I knew when I saw this video topic that half the comments would be people saying that they never have really bad winter weather or that their winter is polar and the rest of us are weather weenies. Predictability is just fine though. I have Schwalbe Marathon Mondials on my Kona Sutra. I just drop the pressure a little and off I go. The skinny tire roadie will hang in the garage. Dress properly my friends.
Do you use winter tyres? Let us know why you do or don't in the comments 👇
I don’t switch to winter tires because I live in UAE.
Yes if there's ice/snow, I put on studded tires.. They have also big thread for snow and they are made in Finland.. Therefore they are good. I do it because I want to ride also at winter.
My winter tire is 23mm super hard compound.... for my turbo trainer, ha ha. Because there is no road tire for snow and ice, wich I have here in Slovakia actualy, and thru whole winter 😉
As someone who crashed yesterday and slid 5 meters down the road on my thigh and elbow. Yes you should get winter tyres!
I expect to ride outside for emergency this season. So yeah. I have tires to keep me safe.
Nothing says "winter" like riding with NO GLOVES AT ALL.
I don't get it either. Bizarre.
as I always say... if you can go gloveless, it's warm enough for shorts.
Maybe they wanted to show off their sexy man hands lol.
Its call global warming , or the Gulf Stream is getting closer England and why glove sales in England have plummeted .
Loool
I love GCN videos, especially when filmed in "winter"-which always looks to me like an early Toronto autumn. 😋
as a GTA resident, I was thinking much along the same lines....
Same
This may shock you but they film primarily (and their main target audience locates) in the UK.
Dude, this is late summer on the prairies
Studded tires for winter here in Canada. I have 700C, 650B and even studded tires for my Brompton. It's not the snow I worry about, it's the ice.
Do you know if any Brands make 700c or 650b studded ‘Tubeless’ tyres?
Looking for a set
Ta 🙂
I will never get the idea of wearing no gloves but leg warmers and overshoes.
then you will never be a cool GCN presenter trying to look pro ;-)
Well, I do😉 my toes tend to be much colder than my hands. I wish it were the other way around.
Have you tried using a camera/phone etc and gloves? Obviously it wasn't freezing cold, but they are making a video.. . It's practical to let your fingers go black so you can put a nice video we all enjoy on youtube
my favourite part about this video is how all of the shots of bad winter roads were shot in my village, and let me tell you, they're almost that bad year round
hi neighbour
Waiting to read all the comments from riders who live in countries with real winters (the Scandi's, eastern Europe, Canada, pacific north west US etc etc.) about real winter tires...
Finland has joined the chat with 240 hard metal studs.
@@tomahoks same here, 240 studs in both tyres.
Suomi Tyres all the way.
www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/marathon_winter My choice for icy roads.
PNW has similar winter climate to England though
I'd rather have a heavier tyre and slower but with better puncture protection than spend 10 minutes in the freezing rain fixing a puncture
10 mins?! More like 45 when your fingers are so cold you can hardly move them and your tyre leavers break..
I always watch this kind of video with attention, so I can learn how this thing called riding in the winter works, because in Rio de Janeiro/Brazil we only have two seasons hell and hotter than hell, It's funny to think about riding in the winter...
Dude this is a sad excuse for “winter riding”. I used to live in Yellowknife: weather was below - 30C all winter, on occasion below -40C. These Brits complaining about the rain is just adorable.
This fellow made a great video of his morning commute:
th-cam.com/video/WgCS3mttf6E/w-d-xo.html
@@wilfdarr man, if the temperature here reachs bellow 25º C, we start to use 2
-3 layers of clothes (it depends on the person). I really don't think that someday I'll be in a -30ºC place, 'cause all the opportunities (5 times) I've been bellow 0º C, I've panicked, thinking that I'd freeze to death locked in the cars or buses, that I was at the time, and start rush my wife (and other people sometimes) to go away. I will NEVER ride (nor drive a car) in this kind of conditions that you talked about.
Trust me I’m sure the snow is bad in Yellowknife, not saying anything about severity. The problem in the uk is that the weather is always unpredictable, even in the winter. If you think you’ll get a dry ride, you won’t.
PLUS thick ol’ gatorskins are for autumn trees more than winter breeze, and we get plenty of tree fall!
@@wilfdarr that vid looks pretty dry, it's not the cold that gets you its the damp. the snow in the UK instantly semi-melts like someone poured a disgusting gray slush puppy over the roads and pavements and that's if it does snow it usually just rains but not cool storms like you get over in the Americas or even hard rain that you can listen to in the background while reading a good book just drizzle that ensures everything stays damp for 4 months a year and the sky is a constant wall of gray spanning the entire country no crisp sunny winter days here just damp dark windy wretchedness. our weather is not extreme it's just miserable
hahahah...I thought the same😂
Probably an ad for Pirelli so yes.
Any penny counts ... 😉
Honestly the Velo 4s has been phenomenal a slight hit from the gp5000 with latex.
@@najiinaj8263 latex in winter. I’ll try
Clearly they were provided product for the video but there is a similar type of tire on other brands.
@@coreyallert1482 yes only so so reviewed this tyre min scores. Not meant be amazing puncture
No gloves? That's some winter you're suffering through 🤣
Well, it's still autumn
@@supernoodles908 *cries in Finnish*
Have to use winter tyres. We have icy roads (and snow/slush/etc) and thing called ”killer gravel”, so you need to have really good puncture protection and studs. Continental Contact Spike, Schwalbe Marathon Winter (or Winter Plus), Terrene Griswold, 45NRTH Gravdal and Suomi Tyres Routa are mostly used options. Yes, this is Finland so it’s everything from +8’C to -25’C.
I have used studded tires and have had punctures from the studs wearing through the inside of the tire
@@JMcLeodKC711 That's probably because you have been running too low pressures. Up the pressure, set it up tubeless or add som kind of liner on the inside. Schwalbe Marathon Winter (not plus) tend to do that after a while. They've produced a few bad batches of those tyres.
Contact Spike works really well as tubeless!
I can't quite the two of you seriously when talking about winter tyres when you're both riding without gloves, dura ace Di2, carbon wheels and no mudguards....maybe I'm just poor lol
What's the problem using carbon wheels when u have disc brakes.. I use only carbon wheels during the winter and they work perfectly
@@popaadrian3029 Maybe the slippery weather increases the odds of a crash
@@numbaoneg101 I'd rather have carbon rims. They tend to be wider and give you better handling which makes crashing less likely
LOL. They obviously haven't ridden at "winter temperatures" near or below "0". Then you need gloves and spiked tires. They look as they are dressed for a chilly summer day here in Norway :-)
In high school I went to a superconductivity lab at the university. There was liquid nitrogen. There was rubber. Things were smashed. Awesome stuff!
The way Ollie said it makes me think if he was left alone in the lab, out came the liquid nitrogen...again.
Yes, depending on were you ride. On more rural/semi rural roads (often covered in mud, gravel, etc, ) then something with a file tread is a better choice than a slicker tyre. Also, run them tubeless. Or use an inner tube with slime. Winter isn't the time to be worrying about weight or rolling resistance.
I like that they went outside to talk about this topic 👍
For my normal winter riding season in Alberta, Canada, I mostly use my fat bike with 4.6” 49N Wrathchilds with carbide studs at 10 psi. The problem is ice under snow. Also, I’ve found that shifters freeze below -15C unless you use low temp grease. Below that the biggest problem is keeping feet/hands warm but I’m happy to ride down to -28C. Below that I find that chains start to snap a little too easily on hard shifts, and then you’re buggered.
After two punctures in three rides on my GP5000s I’m swapping the GP Four Seasons back on this week.
I swap out to Schwalbe x-ones for winter - I'm riding the leaf/ mud strewn wet and slippery Peak District back lanes, they provide so much more confidence especially compared to my mate who's 'dancing on ice' far too often!
It is striking to see how much more efficient and beautiful the former pros ride compared to the amateur.
Yeah. I noticed this right away too.
Where did you see this?
Vittoria Rubino Pro Endurance for the winter, Rubino Pro Control for bikepacking and regular Rubino Pro for summer rides, here.
Estonia isn't as cold as it used to be, but icy roads need studded tyres, even if you don't think you need them. The worst scenario is ice with rain ontop. This is scary even with studs, but doable
Just bought a pair of Continental GP
4 season tires a couple of days ago. If anything, hoping the added piece of mind will make me less skittish about cornering/descending in the cold and wet.
Puncture protection is key. Try changing a tube on an aluminum rim when it's below freezing. Go ahead and try it.... I "triple dog dare" you
I haven't had an issue with that. What's the issue with doing that?
@@supernoodles908 My theory is, the rim shrinks so it's harder to replace the tubes or the rim is too cold for any hands to handle even with gloves.
@@DrunkieCat Also the rubber gets harder I believe... but cold does make these process a bit harder than usual
My personal preference for winter in Moscow is studded, medium wide tyre, especially if temperature is lower then 0 celsius
Is it useful to have studded tires in Moscow? It's usually just mud and water here.
@@PitPStar Mud, water and ice, and on the road this additional traction is needed anyway, sometimes it could be a snow or an ice blizzard, then its life saving, and above all if you have enough traction its a big fun to hit the road when its a bit snowy and cold and fresh
Job done GCN, buying some P ZERO™ VELO 4S 23-622 | 25-622 | 28-622 try them out, only took about 8 years of watching GCN videos for product endorsement to work, good video
Just mounted Schwalbe K-guard Winter studded tires on my commuter/trekking/grave/winter training ride. Don’t swap tires on my roadbikes and don’t normally ride them in winter but a few occasions when it is dry and minimum +4 C.
I always bring a spare wheel, like Ollie.
Sucks if you bring the wrong one 😂
Do I use dedicated winter tires? Of course!! Over here in the middle of Maine, morning temps will be below freezing nearly every morning for the next four months. So I rely on studded snow tires from Finland to help keep me upright on the way to my favorite coffee shop to meet friends.
I have an older Bianchi cross bike running Ritchey Speedmax tires that I use in winter. Not uncommon for it to snow, or be at least slushy, on multiple occasions, so it's nice to have that larger tire, and the slightly more relaxed geometry (compared to my road bike) is nice when the going gets rough.
I use Conti GP 4Season solely because of the better puncture protection. They put grit on the roads and that can cause punctures.
I used to put Bridgestone Blizzak tyres on my MX-5, I wonder do they make Blizzaks in 700c x 28mm?
No, but you can get studless winter tires from Continental. For studded winter tires, check schwalbe
I swear this channel reads my mind! Was just thinking about getting some winter tires this afternoon.
definately. going from 25 mm continental gp 5000 in summer to 28mm continental 4seasons tyres in winter. More comfort, more grip and better pucture protection
Conti 4 seasons year round in Peak District and Surrey. Road surfaces terrible and decent Vitoria Corsa 2.0 which are superb but save them for Europe in the summer as they just get shredded in the Surrey Hills.When I lived in Switzerland you could use them year round as the road surfaces were so good.
Guys, this is not winter! This is late autumn.
How dare they talk about an issue before it's a problem
Michelin Pro 4 Endurance Mk2 for me. Not having to stop to change an innertube is worth the trade-off imho. Where I probably disagree with this review is where thread pattern are concerned. Imho they simply do not matter on road bike tires. Manufacturers put them there for customer re-assurance, nothing more in the same way that a cycle tire can never ever 'aquaplane'. It's just not possible. Quite the opposite, Threads can capture and embed sharp objects which otherwise wouldn't leading to obvious complications without wanting to mention the word.
I have this question to Hank. Suppose he gets real winter, with real cold, ice and also snow this year. What kind of tires for bicycle and more importantly, which shoes would he use?
I bought shimano nw7 winter boots for this winter.. I expect them to have better grip on ice than my previous winter boots had. I have also Shimano treking pedals, that have other side platform.. For icy roads. And for easier uncliping, I use sh56 cleats... And I have 40mm wide studded tires, with big tread.
C'mon Continental, when is 4 seasons tubeless coming? Anyone know?
Mhh would you like one? What should his abilities be? Maybe that is really a good idea!
32mm Contental 4 Season tire's are great! They are plush and grip great on wet/muddy/cold conditions! Base training in winter so little increase in weight/rolling resistance like 30g+extra 3-2watts LOL
🤔 Normally i use continental grand prix 4 seasons 28mm but currently i am using continental speed kings 35 mm...
Continental Grand Prix 4 Season all year long,as i drive them everywhere,and they are strong. Only snow and ice make me stay at home ;)
You can wear them out real quick riding them in warm conditions. Anything over 20C and you can hear them gripping the tarmac. My rear has a flat line down the middle from leaving them on all summer.
@@AdamBoothUK i made over 10k km last summer. No problem at all. There are tires with better grip on summer for sure,but they are really strong overall. And thats what i need :)
I use Vittoria Corsa Control tubulars on my dream Colnago C60/Campagnolo SR EPS bike!
I also use UHP winter tyres on my V8 sportscar.
I have Continental 4 seasons (Your pre Pirelli favourite) on my wheels. Love the non/low punkture quality. Because of that my question is, how do they work in the summer. Do I have to buy an extra set of wheels for the summer, not being a speedfantom?
That's down to personal choice and also the intended bike you're putting it on. I had 4 seasons on my commuter all year round where as my weekend fun bike ran Rubino pro IIIs all year round. Both are great tyres but you can't get the pro IIIs anymore. I dont really recommend the new Rubino Pro's that replaced the Pro IIIs. They are less puncture resistant and don't grip half as good as they used to.
If you're going to run expensive tyres like GP5000s in spring/summer. I would try to preserve and hopefully extend their life a little by switching them with something else for the winter.
Everything is personal opinion/choice. For the commuter, puncture protection is always better than a speedy tyre
What about tyre width for winter tyres? You only mentioned 25mm in the video but my Synapse will take upto a 30mm (I think). Would I be better with a wider tyre?
Definitely. Feels much more stable.
#GCNTECH I’ve deep cleaned my drivetrain (disassembled and soaked in degreaser every single part) then reassembled and lub with dry lub (finish line) which is transparent. After waiting few hours and wiped down the excess lub, the cloth is still showing black grease spots. Where is that coming from !?! Thanks
I have an adult tricycle which I am absolutely in love with. It has a smaller than normal Wheels
I live in Canada, studded tires are required here, or a trainer tire if using that style of trainer
Are (uk) winter tyres still necessary with tubeless tyres? Snow and ice aside, for cold and wet conditions would dropping the pressure a bit not be adequate rather than changing to a different tyre?
My gravel bike is a modern bike so it's easy to switch to something knobier. But my road bikes are classics. How do I run full fenders on my 90's steel road bike and winter tires?
Two questions:
1. What Alex's frame size, looks bigger than Ollie's one? As I know Ollie's Orbea frame is L.
2. You mentioned F1 tyres, so do cycling pro riders warm up winter tyres before the race and how?! Or they handle with frozen wood tyres until the finish?
Personally I'm not using winter tyres due to the short but severe winter conditions in our area.
Coming soon [Shatner pause] to the GCN Shop [double Shatner] Castelli Tyre Blankets!!!
Here in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Once it drops to an average of atleast 0 degree's celcius I switch to Schwalbe Winter K-Guard Studded 35mm 700c Tires. Once the snow starts staying down so does the ice. Though I've tried once to get buy on all season tires at the beginning of winter (my 1st winter ride). I ended up over the handle bars. I cycle all year long as it is my means of commuting to work. Has anyone had success with riding in the snow or ice with some really knobby gravel tires?
Looks like an advert for pirelli
Dear Mr Hambini what ever gave you that idea 🤔
Dear GCN please no 'Winter Pirelli tyres' I've already spent all my money on super heavy aero wheels and fat tyres 😔
Are they round enough tho? I'd like to see where Pirelli stands on your shite-jizz chart.
summer tyres all year, but in winter I ride only on the turbo :P some days on race out but can count that on 1 hand, most of the times I go outdoors on my gravelbike in the winter. also to keep my apitite healthy and when the springs comes I realy enjoy the racebike more.
What’s good quality winter tyres- something similar to continental 5000 tubeless?
Conti Gp 4 season all year round for me 👌
yeah me too, just great all round tires
I do the same, they are the only winter tires that can last the whole year with me😂
I don't use winter tires because we don't really have much winter where I live (Houston). But I love my Pirelli P Zero velo clinchers. No tire is easier to mount and they feel great on the road. No more Conti 5000 for me.
Conti Gatorskins best puncture protection i have ever had in 12years of cycling. And they last for AGES years infact! 28mm clinchers. Maybe slow, just have to push harder 😅
at what temperatures are appropriate for switching to winter tires?
im using now a michelin all season 25mm tires, and it feels a lot of grip on wet road
I use Pirelli p-zero clincher all year round, great tires.
To be fair about the gloves - they're based in Bath. Winter? Mild and wet, wet, wet. I've gone gravel, so no need any more to change the tyres come November (as I did for years). Normal great vid - thanks guys.
GCN Tech, If you cut off the 'rubber spikes'(?) from the tyres, how many grams is that?
Tyre compound matters, yes, but! Conforming to irregularities on the surface/road to a certain extent actually decreases rolling resistance. For example, Continental's Gatorskins are much tougher and almost feel like plastic to the touch, but have almost double (in the realm of 8-10 watts per tyre...) the rolling resistance of GP 5000's at optimal pressure, etc. when both tyres' rolling surface when biking in a straight line is exactly the same (practically sleek).
I only use a gravel bike (2018 fuji jari 1.3) with two set of wheels as a road and gravel bike. So I don't really care about perfect performance and (I still do 31-32 km/h average 100km+ 1000D+ group rides with it, but no crits or whatever). So I only use a set of tires all year round for simplicity.
I use 28mm tubetype continental 4 seasons on a dt swiss p1800 set for road all year round, sometimes switch with 35mm donelly x'plor ush for light gravel or allroad bikepacking. I also replaced the front hub on my original Stan's NoTubes Grail S1 front wheel with a son dynamo hub for touring after the back hub failed.
I use 40mm tubeless hutchinson touaregs on a gr1600 set for gravel, I bring them to quasi-xc settings quite often or more rolly winter "allroad" settings, they are slightly unsufficient in the mud (but nothing technique can't fix) and slightly overkill for summer type 1/2 gravel but I won't switch tires because it's too annoying with tubeless.
Switched to Michelin power road tubeless in September, basically those tyres are not coming off and back on again if I can avoid it! Apparently quite a grippy tyre so hoping that tubeless upgrade is enough to tide me over the worst months, doing ok so far. one tyre to rule them all?
what about a similar video but with wider tyres, like 32mm, for the winter? 25mm in winter conditions may not give many advantages compared to 32mm or 35mm slick tyres, winterish or not
I've been using my bike with bigger tyres for the last couple of weeks. 42mm (I think) Panaracer SKs. Not winter specific, but am I getting better grip than I would with 28mm 4000s? I can feel much more rolling resistance - not bad going uphill, but harder to keep up on the flats. Are these a sensible option?
I've swapped from 28mm road tyre to 37mm off-road tyres purely because, around here, the tractors are now leaving mud all over the road and the cycle tracks are full of puddles and slimy mud.
Is there a way they can design a tyre tread to generate it's own temperature through its tread?
Good timing! I was going to write in to #askgcntech about this. Although you mentioned TL, my question is, what happens to the sealant in colder temperatures? I've noticed how much stiffer the tires are already (compared to riding clinchers last year) and have felt less grippy on corners in temperatures from 4-8 degrees C (Vancouver, Canada). They are 25mm Conti 5000TL. btw I wear long finger gloves with NZwool liners in this temp!
And speaking of temperature, if I put said bike and tires on a trainer indoors, will they overheat?
As a relative newbie I am looking to get winter tyres on my tubeless Giant TCR. They have 700x25 tyres fitted. I have been looking at the tyres mentioned (Pirelli Cinturato) online and they appear to start at 700x26 and say they are tubular and tubeless ready. Can I use these type and size on my set up and is tubular completely different to what I have?
For me, vittoria Corsa Control for winter, Continental Grand Prix 5000 for summer.
How do you guys remember your lines while riding your bikes? (I see late night show using cheat sheets.. which might no be so practical on the bike)
An average memory of the presenter to remember basic script, combined with multiple takes and editing if needed. Not really that mysterious.
GP5000's all year round , no issues for me .
Good to hear. Is any gravel used where you live?
First thing-you guys need some mudguards, I know you have an “Ass Saver” Olly, but full guards is what you need. When I used my Specialized Roubaix during winter I had Continental 4 Seasons tyres on it, now I have a Ti gravel bike I use as my winter bike and have 45mm Hutchinson Overide tyres set up tubeless @ 30psi front, and 35psi rear-loads of grip!
With you 100% John, went from gator skins 28mm@ 100psi to Schwalbe 1g’s 36mm on my gravel and 30mm on my ti @45 & 65 psi respectively and it has transformed commuting. So much more comfy and better grip.. more punctures though especially in the wet when tubeless really struggles to seal, at least there are plugs eh..defo not looking to go back to tubes..can’t understand why they would be riding deep section wheels and no mudguards.. this is Britain ffs.. come on guys be real..
Rode gatorskins hardshells year round including in snow and ice. Gatorskins for the win!
Followed up with "should you run a winter chain"
Winter tires, as distinct from snow tires, for autos are a very good thing, and winter tires for bikes should be a good thing, so I had a look at Pirelli's bike tire website (what product placement?) and there's no mention of the temperatures for which their P ZERO™ Velo 4S have been optimized nor mention of four-season, much less winter, suitability of the tubeless only [eyeroll] Cinturato [chin-too-rah-to] Velo. There's also no mention of what temperature below which the "summer tire" P ZERO™ Velo becomes unsuitable.
So; #askGCN, who makes a proper winter bicycle tire, and what temperature envelope are they designed for?
I have never put winter tyres on my CAAD5. I used to ride on Conti GP4000s, now it's a set of Schwalbe Lugano. Not quite the same, but they are acceptable.....
Hi! This is my first winter season as a cyclist (I used to swim throughout winter, but then covid happened), I would like to invest in some new tyres, however right now I have 23'' and if I am not mistaken 25'' should fit on the wheels. My question to the more experienced/tech oriented cyclists out there: how do I know if the tires not only fit on the wheels, but also fit between my frame?
First you will have to realize you should be mentioning 23mm and 25mm widths, then talk about wheel diameters like 650mm or 700mm for bikes...
@@Cyclonut96 I do know that and just made a typo, not that it matters because the question is no longer relevant since I got my new tyres and they fit perfectly.
@@laurascheffer4243 Haha, understood. Here on this side of the pond we call spell them tires. LoL
Educational- useful stuff!
How cold is cold?
Continental GP5000 tubeless all year round !
This new duo 👌🏻👌🏻
Continental Grand Prix 4 Seasons are the best winter tyres!
Great vid.
I do not use winter tyres I run my cross country 29ers. We are about to get our first accumulating snow of the season and I am on a quest to find the pressure that will give me the best foot print. I normally run regular pressures but I want to tweak it to get the best performance possible.
Great show!
@gcntech #askgcn Do we have any more arctic friends capable of doing a real snow commuting piece about winter tires with studs or without? Rainy winter would be great but unfortunately here in Finland we have ice and snow instead.
If there isn't at least 15cm of snow, and it isn't at least -10c is it really winter?
For the non paid advertisement answer: You don't need different tires for the winter on your road bike. Unless you run super expensive and fragile racing stuff but then again if you do you probably can afford to have a pair of training wheels. Just lower the pressure and keep a spare tube. Tubeless on the road is useless and messy.
In the summer I use my road bikes to work, and in the winter my sports/ hybrid bikes.
meanwhile i just missed out on a sale of cheap continental grand prix 5000s for my second bike :|
The term "winter" seems to be relative. These guys are riding in what would be early autumn conditions here. I run 45Nrth Gravdals in the winter here. I could probably get by with something a little less aggressive, like Schwalbe Marathon Winter to gain some rolling efficiency, but getting caught on a day when it snowed 6" while I was working makes the Gravdals a little more useful.
Move to Singapore? In winter it can get as cold as 28C!!!
Ollie... not 'Sinturato'... it's CHIN-toor-ah-toe... mamma mia!
Sure enough, I knew when I saw this video topic that half the comments would be people saying that they never have really bad winter weather or that their winter is polar and the rest of us are weather weenies. Predictability is just fine though. I have Schwalbe Marathon Mondials on my Kona Sutra. I just drop the pressure a little and off I go. The skinny tire roadie will hang in the garage. Dress properly my friends.
First winter ride Yesterday, 20miles and 2 punctures...