Thanks for the update on the yacht sinking. Shame about the fisherman being hit in the water. Can't imagine partying underway without someone sober at the helm especially with other boats around them.
Hi Terry, also I think something was lost in translation around 1:35. I don't believe that an outboard powered fishing boat would have failed to notice a MOB, even if they were paying close attention to nets or lines. Horrible either way, and might should not equal right on the water, but I'm also curious about the source for the unnoticed MOB story
Likely he had his autopilot running the boat... no one even watching where they were going. On the Great Loop cruising the East Coast of USA, we had several situations when approaching vessels where under autopilot and aimed right at us... head on. Had to give way several times because not only were we playing 'chicken', but I am pretty sure there was no one on those boats watching ahead.
That the mother didn't mention that the crew (Captain) helped her and her baby is not surprising. In my work I have experienced an even mor drastic case. I talked to two survivors of a terror attack in Africa, carried out by gunmen. One of the survivors, a woman, complained to me that none of the men who were present helped her. Months later I came across one of these men. He told me that he and another man have dragged the same woman behind cover. When I told him what the woman had told me he instantly provided me with the name of the other man and of further witnesses. I do not believe that the woman was lying to me, I just believe that her memory was blurred due to the extreme circumstances.
Most people have faulty memory even in quite benign circumstances. There was a law professor at Harvard who used to stage a stunt during one of his lectures - there would be noise and shouting outside the lecture theatre, people would run through and at some point a gun would go off. He would then ask his students to describe what happened; it would take only two or three accounts before there was huge confusion about what happened. His conclusion was "be careful how much trust you place in eye-witness testimony".
@@hb1338 I totally agree. Amongst us lawyers there is a saying: Who has ever heard three witness testimonies about one traffic accident puts into double that the accident even happened.
I can tell you from personal experience that Marine Traffic specifically has been having database problems lately, so I would not put too much stock in the flag state change unless you confirm those changes on another platform. My own vessel disappeared entirely from the MT database a couple of weeks ago, and our live icon showed varying incorrect information. All the yacht details including MMSI and photos had dropped off the database. Some other vessels in our vicinity also had strange readouts. A week later we were back in the database but with stale details. We seem to be live and current now, but it was all over the map just in the last few days. FWIW.
He said in a recent video he's using another AIS source as well, which he didn't name, as he'd found it more reliable than MT. As he's always very thorough, I'm sure he's checking this source as well. Also I suspect this was a kind of '...and finally...' type of amusing anecdote to finish the video.
The sailor (Griffiths) was actually reported to have said "Griffiths told investigators that the ship "tilted and we fell into the water” "We were then able to climb back on and we tried to rescue those we could,” he said. "We rescued those we could, also Cutfield rescued the little girl and her mother,” Griffiths said. This would lead us to believe that the captain rescued the mother and child when they got back on the yacht but the mother doesn't mention anything about the captain and being rescued by him.
I think there might be some lost in translation issues. He was speaking English to an italian newspaper, who reported it in Italian and then was translated to English and carried by English speaking media sources.
Congratulations on the continued success of your YT channel. You have a quality product and provide a valuable service to the yachting community. Cheers eSysman!
Another great report! As you said, it's important not to read too much into the bits and pieces coming out about the Bayesian sinking. Having some knowledge about how aviation accident investigations are conducted, only after all the evidence has been collected and analyzed and a final report issued can you draw any definitive conclusions about the cause full sequence of events (which typically takes 1 - 2 years, and sometime more, in the aviation world). There are way too many people drawing conclusions and pointing fingers from the bits and pieces that come out to date.
Indeed I have been upset at how so many people have been confidently condemning the Captain and crew from their comfy sofa before reading any testimony or evidence. If those people were in Massachusetts in the 17th century they would have been the first to find those poor women guilty and screaming for the hangings.
Very true. Eyewitness testimony can be wrong and memories faulty or foggy especially after something so traumatic. Another reason not to talk to authorities without legal representation immediately after an incident. Details often are remembered clearer later on.
@@RayThackeray Yes -- it's a bit scary having so many people jumping to conclusions based very incomplete information and evidence... unfortunately, it appears to be the world we live with so many people having big opinions and with little apparent ability for rational and critical thinking.
Just 1000 shy of 300K! I posted about your excellent reporting on a major newspaper comment section since the reporter did such a poor job on the story. Hopefully this helped grow your base!
Watch below deck. People in the industry like to slag it off, but it gives a pretty straight up and down documentary style view of what happens on the boats. Yes, production might play a hand and maybe amp up some drama here and there, but they really don’t need to because with so many crazy crew and passengers and captains and things that can go wrong. You don’t have to invent drama on a super yacht.
One of the concerns mentioned in past episodes is that those salon doors may have opened when the vessel went to starboard, thereby letting in water. This crew member seems to dispel that theory.
The thing had ‘salon’ doors. That is OH SO POSH. I’ve sailed on a lot of boats, owned a few. They had saloons. But they weren’t POSH. I wasn’t POSH, just a sailor. Salons are for doing hair or for POSH POSERS. Clowns on boats.
I'm not sure about that. If it was heeled over, theirs no way he would have been able to stand and prise them open, which throws up another possible reason for water entering the cabin area!!! I think we need to wait for all the statements to be compared. Also, my interpretation of the Captain and crew members actions re saving the women and child was that they had been thrown off, climbed back on board, and the captain rescued her. Are we only hearing parts of what has been said.
Unless they were partial opened, fudging the seal but also blocking people's ability to exit. It could be he couldn't get it closed again or people were behind him trying to get out along with himself.
If it was the sliding doors and the boat was so far to one side that escape was the only thought then one door would've already been to one side. If the doors were pinned then his hand motions are wrong and certainly the shear force of water should've pushed that crewman back into the cabin until fully submerges. So is there another set of sliding door or doors that would need someone to look down at to pry apart left to right? Or is he just a lying braggart trying to make himself look good???
It was a standing order on the yachts I have worked on, particularly the last one, that when the watertight doors are closing, you do not attempt to go through them. You will be crushed to death if you slip or fall. There are escape hatches in the various compartments, that is why you do escape drills. I think there might be sadly a little re-writing of history here. The guests are very dead. The young mother with her baby by her own testimony was thrown in the sea when the yacht heeled over. Maybe the Captain pulled her into the life-raft. Maybe.
@@marcbeebee6969as someone who's had to get out of the way of bigger boats myself many times, when I had right of way, I totally get what you're saying. As my area is not infested with super wealthy people on the marina, I've occasionally had the opportunity to say to someone, once on shore "ok, so you're not on your big boat now, how big do you feel when I'm stood in front of you". But sadly that doesn't happen often enough. Sea rules should be obeyed always, I'm just (genuinely) wondering how that could be enforced
Fisherman was in the water. Unless he had PFD or wore bright colors, would be hard for boat captain to see him especially at speed while drinking. Terrible situation and outcome.
Also, I think fishers boats being run over by irresponsible rich eejits probably happens way more than any of us realise. Hopefully this channel becoming bigger might be the start of that being broadcast more. I'll be very happy to help with that if I can get a platform
@@flowsnake8732it happens every season here in Mallorca, usually don’t get caught. Entitled idiots who know full well what they have done, but always flee the scene. Always the same nationality.
Thanks for that. Who'd have thought that a conspicuous display of wealth could end tragically. Someone wasn't looking where they were heading or who was around them. Wealth is great but so is responsibility. Some kids can't play with adults' toys and shouldn't be allowed to. Poor dude in the small boat killed at someone else's party... that's really messed up.
4:49 Elsewhere it's been reported that the first 4 autopsies determined that they died of asphyxiation. In other words, they remained alive in an air pocket until their oxygen got used up.
Yeah, I believe in fairies too ! I bet that banker and his wife did the Hussain Bolt exercise routine everyday. Wouldn't hyperthermia and the mammalian diving reflex get them first, . . . very quickly due to age, physical condition and water temperature ? So they might be still shallow breathing as they lost consciousness and their grip on the picture frames and wall light fittings (Which would now be the effective ceiling of listing yacht), in the dark and slipped beneath the water level in the flooded compartment . . . and no water ingested . . . . .
Saturday Morning 30th of August San Diego Sportfishing Boat Jig Strike Sank 100 mile offshore...Everyone was able to get of the boat and was picked up by the Legend
@eSysman. Thanks for sharing.... this is somewhat scary testimony from the "sailor", and I'm looking forward to your comments. At the moment he asserts "manually forcing open" the salon doors it seems Bayesian was a) without electrical power to the salon doors, b) stable and level and that, c), once forced open, the salon doors may have also required "manually forcing closed", and may have both been left open... also freely sliding on their tracks with the subsequent movements of Bayesian. Note: 1. This is the same "sailor" as was on bridge duty. 2. The sailor asserts and pantomimes "manually forcing open" the doors. 3. This implies Bayesian at that moment lacked electrical power to normally function the doors. 4. The salon doors have been reported to EACH weigh over 1,000kg. 5. The weight of the doors, and ability to manually manipulate the doors, implies Bayesian was at the time the doors were manually forced open stable and level enough to allow for "manually forcing open" the doors and sliding the doors in their tracks. 6. There is no mention of taking the time to manually re-secure the doors..... leaving the likelihood the doors were afterwards left open...
The Conception dive boat that caught fire and sank off the coast of Santa Cruz Island, California, 2019. Killing 34 people. The NTSA will be making recommendations to the Coast Guard to make changes for crew and passenger safety briefing. Note: there was a hatch the passengers could have escaped through but apparently the passengers did not know that.
@@georgeburns7251 As I recall, the fire started near the companion way that led down stairs to the bunk area. The passengers could not escape through that rout. The emergency escape was forward of the bunk area and not used. Btw, that captain got off way too easy. He jumped overboard. Didn’t try to save others.
@@darthkek1953 a later report by the ATF said they found no evidence of that, and argued the fire originated in a "highly combustible" polyethylene Rubbermaid trash can. But both this report and the original one seemed to agree that the real/main "cause" was a pervasive lack of safety managment (including no roving nightwatch).
I've seen la Luna in Porto cristo, can't believe I recognised it, I was there to propose to my then girlfriend, in 2019. It really stood out being mostly black. Wish I could share pictures. Tragic news for the fisherman and his friends and family.
@@moltderenou actually I hired a small boat and we went down the coast, unfortunately it was still pretty choppy from a storm that had passed through a couple days before and she spends most of the trip layed in the bottom of the boat feeling sea sick, the spot I had chosen was busy and wasn't calm enough, so I decided to look for a more sheltered bay, I got to calo des serral and as soon as i anchored she felt better, just long enough for me to pop the question, she did say yes and we got married a couple years later (on the same month) and it's our anniversary this month. And we couldn't be happier 😁❤️
Now would be a good time for refreshers and rehearsals of emergency procedures. Sure some crafts don't need placarding but I'd think the information being put out for every sailing would be standard.
Always great videos! One suggestion: adding a disclaimer to your vids on the door/switches. I recall those are from your engineering visit onboard a motor yacht; newcomers may think those are from the Bayesian. Keep up the good work!
Why was crew member trying to get out of lounge area? If sliding doors forced open suggests they were secured shut. Did opening doors let water flood in causing her to sink quicker?
We like your reports, not just for yacht news, but my husband and I discuss your shirts, I have an interest in fashion and you have turned into an unlikely fashion icon in casual tops in our house!
As a sailor I can confirm that a lot of the motor yachts - and especially the tourist ships - are wreck less drivers! The times of waving to each other and giving way are over. Its just me me me. Also between sailing vs sailing boat. As a good skipper I try to avoid accidents, but others just don’t do it… I have to run back from the beach because 2 boats are anchoring at the same time, and the cross wind sandwich them against my boat in the marina! Scratching the hull and fleeing.. this is the state of skippers now a days
As a yachty myself I have to agree that the standards are dropping. In June we were nearly hit by a 20m power boat doing over 30 Knots while sailing near Murter, Croatia, despite being the stand-on boat I had to take action to avoid a collision, the lads on board the power boat seemed to be more interested in waving cans of beer around, and only noticed us at the last minute, despite our boat having a 20m mast with sails on, and AIS broadcasts.
Why? There is already a legal requirements for a proper watch to be kept, to take action to avoid a collision and to not exceed 5 knots within 50 metres of another vessel. It would seem that these requirements were ignored so adding another?
Associated Press decided that there was not enough confusion, so published a nice big photo of Baden-Powell, implying that she's Bayesian. BTW, looks like Baden-Powell is due for a bit of a touch up.
If you have" black ship" situation when the hydralic watertight sliding (wtsd) doors are open they will not close ,by them self ,if not equipped with emergency measures for generating hydralic pressure. At some ships there may be pressurised gas resovars that can manage one closing of the doors via local presursation of the door cylinders . They usely have manual pumps and valves to open and close them also. These doors is no joke! they will cut of limbs or cut you in half if you are not clear when they close! The idea being that no debris should prevent a watertight seal if present in the doorway,when the doors are closing. The status of the internal wtsd will be very easy to document, these doors do not slide shut or open by gravity,if the ship is laying on its side.
I’ve enjoyed several of your videos and decided it was past due for me to subscribe so I did. Unlike many news channels these days you report the facts as they are available. I find your analysis both informative and interesting a rare thing.
Thank you for your work ! Just a suggestion on IES showing dragging in a strange angle. It might be as you rightly suggested IES error or data error from on board compas. But this "sideways dragging" did happen to me on a 11m sailboat when the wind direction swinged suddenly from W to S to E to NE when anchored behind an island in Greece during a storm. The chain was behind the keel (fixed keel) and we were dragging the anker with the chain perpendicular to the boat. We could see the chain in the middle of the boat with a flashlight. We started the engine, gave it a burst toward the anker, chain got loose and dropped below the keel. We were safe! Im not at all suggesting it would have worked with a 55m vessel in a tornado. INVESTIGATION WILL find the truth behind this terrible accident and there will be scratches on the back of the keel if the chain went behind it. Best regards Piotr
I feel very sorry for all the people on the yacht Bayesian and their families. The fact is: A highly upgraded super sailing yacht with a mast and a lifting keel sank in a storm while anchored. In the dark of night, within just a few minutes. 300m off the coast. 7 people died. 10 people survived. 9 people witnessed the incident directly, what do they say? The cause of the accident is still completely unclear and lies in the dark seabed. I am an engineer and I am also a designer. I learned a trade at a shipyard in Hamburg. I worked as an engineer in aircraft construction in Hamburg for 38 years. I love sailing ships, blue-water ships, cruising ships for crossing the Atlantic and Pacific. I don't like the sailing yacht Bayesian, why? I want to outline this here: My eye and my feeling say that the design of the yacht is disproportionate. 1. It is a very fast yacht, not a cruising yacht for relaxed driving (racing yacht). 2. The hull is very long in relation to its small width, the volume is smaller. 3. The hull lies deep in the water; the side height when tilted is therefore lower, less buoyancy. 4. Only one mast, which is very long and voluminous, and has a large lateral wind attack surface. The mast has a lot of weight over the hull, which shifts the center of gravity upwards and reduces the tipping stability, the yacht tilts more quickly in the wind. 5. The yacht requires a special crew for this type of construction. Personally, I would not design, build or buy a yacht like this, even if I had the money. As the owner/captain of such an exposed yacht, I would have to stay awake and be very attentive at all times so that no mistakes are made that could lead to a catastrophe. That would be too stressful for me. The Bayesian must be salvaged urgently so that the cause of the accident can be clearly determined. That is the least we can do for the victims, their families and all those affected.
15 peoples survived It‘s a motor yacht with a capacity of 60‘000 liters of fuel and huge, heavy engines, masqueraded with a mast of 75 meters, heavy of 450 tons - the crew hadn’t any chance to saving this anchored vessel in this case, only for the centerboard they would need 30 minutes, and the engines some minutes and maybe a hatchway was open - sunk over the stern sideways - tragedy
I subscribed because you reminded me to, and i like your videos. Not a yacht type person, watched because of Bayesian, but your reporting is lovely and straightforward without being aggressive.
My superyacht is a 10 metre, 50 year old ketch built of our own blood, sweat and tears by me and my husband. I wouldn't swap her for any of the monsters in these videos for all the tea in china and I don't believe any of their owners have more enjoyment from their yachts than I have with mine! (Or love them half as much) Nevertheless, these videos are superb. Thank you for the professionalism and knowlege that goes in to them. Fascinating. How the other half lives!
Whatever happened to the super yacht that smashed into the yacht? Did I miss a video? Or did we just not find out any more information… Great job on all the videos thank you!
@@holyfox94it was on lake garda. At night in the middle on black water - this is dome kind of russian roulette, sorry. After 60 years on the water I follow one rule - the smaller the boat the more you must make more efforts for your visability.
I presume that when the Bayesian crew member speaks of forcing the salon doors open the doors were forced open against gravity or the mechanism that closes them. Water ingress would not be a factor. Although one door should open easier opening with gravity in a list.
As engineer and qualified skipper my concern remains with the design and righting moment of this vessel which is part of a perini navi fleet. May I say that it would be prudent to recall all vessels of this designers specifications as a precaution until all information is known as to why this sister vessel healed over the sank so quick at the normal safety of being at anchor.
These big yacht's and who is steering have no idea who and what they hit in front of them or on the side. I don't understand why they don't have some sort of radar to visually see an object and check it out. Glad they caught up with this yacht and charged the person responsible!
Large yachts are not made to be safe. They’d have a high visibility bridge among many other features familiar from big commercial vessels if they were. Little big boats, not big little boats.
I think it is useless to make assumptions, for the protection of the crew and the captain of Bayesian, when the investigators will have the opportunity to inspect the boat as soon as possible, the truth will be known. The only certainty now is that among them, the members of the crew, there are discrepancies in their statements, and for this reason they are under investigation, along with the captain. The rest will be known once the investigation is completed.
The "discrepancies" are from reports often translated to Italian and back to English and these reports have been leaked in most cases. We don't know enough to know if there are any discrepancies.
Of course there are discrepancies! Every survivor had a different experience. In addition, people in a sudden life-threatening situation often have hyper-narrow focus, and can even experience temporary blindness. If all the stories matched, this would be very suspicious....and indicate they has talked together and "gotten their stories straight'. This crew member in the video snippet was very likely still in a stage of shock as well.
Regarding the Bayesian, i just want to mention, that in my marine experience, many downcomers are "snorkel" type ie they automatically close when submerged.
The yacht La Luna which has German flag hit small fishing boat. Three people were in fishing boat - 20yo Guillem, his 13yo brother and 45yo uncle. The yacht was going at full speed, they were screaming like crazy but it never stopped. Guillem took het fuul impact and was thrown away into the water and was killed instantly. The fishing yacht, three and half meters long,was practyically intact. In the sun you can read all article about accident, with foto and name main suspect.
It astounds me how often, not always, it is reported how these owners and guests ignore the efforts of the crew of these yachts! dehumanizing because s/o has money. A 'THANK YOU" can go a long way.
Salon doors are suspects in the rapid down flooding. Raise the BYesian, don’t touch anything then pull the mast back down 90 degrees and video what happens….resink it.
Well a more logical approach is to simply make a scale model boat with exact proportions and weight, THEN test different scenarios of how it sank using the small model boat. It will be very expensive and dangerous to raise that yatch, so raising and then resinking that massive yatch is honestly ridiculous.
There's no way to replicate what happened that night. Even if you could set the boat up as it was before it sank, how would you possibly reproduce a freak downburst? Sorry but we need to let the investigation take it's course, and at the same time keep an eye on it to check for interference. I know it's a paradox but sorry, that's how it is. Wide eyes are way more important here than fixed opinions
Bayseain would only have had to heel to 45 deg to be at the rated downflooding angle without closing machinery vents and Intakes. At that angle she would rapidly start flooding.
He forced the doors open while the boat was listed on its side like the other deckhand said? If so, he would have to force the doors open in a different manner than he displayed in that clip.
what data are you looking for? you are looking at a very localized event. I don't think there is like 10 -50m resolution available of weather data. You would have to have some satellite monitoring, otherwise you simply rely on fixed meteorological stations, they are miles apart. I also doubt that any satellite resolution is precise enough.... just imaging the amount of data you would have to transmit.
When the Crewman said that he had to force open the doors I immediately wondered why those doors would need to be forced! Those poor Crewmen were literally left with just the clothes they stood in! Everything they had is currently on the seabed. The sight of the tall masted yacht in the New Zealand storm video heeling over onto its side, then righting itself was highly impressive and imbues considerable confidence in the stability and safety of the vessel. Compare that to the horribly low angle of the incident vessel, which would have been downflooding uncontrollably if it had suddenly heeled over onto its side, which Crew and Guest said had occurred. The designer and builder chose to locate those large, open intakes in such dangerously vulnerable parts of the hull, and as such they are responsible for the consequences if the vessel heeled over onto its side and began uncontrollable downflooding. The Crew had those vents open for the overnight operation of their generators and air conditioning packs. The Crew were on deck when the yacht suddenly capsized onto its side and were all thrown into the water. There were no Crew left on board that could close the intake vents on the starboard side to stop the downflooding. I await with interest the final report issued by the UK MAIB in around a year's time...
@@giordanomonese5141 Pezzente.. una nave made in Italy non vuol dire che e fatta bene.. Vedremo di chi e la colpa sicuramente il design lussuoso ma non sicuro ne prendera la colpa
@@giordanomonese5141Italian or not, I don't believe a word someone says without a) making a logical argument and b) providing any evidence or citations. Somehow you know what happened when even the investigators haven't come to a conclusion yet? Ok mate, I've made a note of your username and will be keeping an eye out for you dropping further propaganda/misinfo. Very happy to track and report to the channel. Have a nice evening, by the way:)
Rich partying kids with Daddies yacht, will always end in a tragedy or disaster, condolences to the family of the Spanish fisherman, hope justice prevails | The short video of the Bayesian crew member does give a small glimpse as to what was going on, and the mother who held her child above her head, hard to do on land let alone in the sea. Wondering if it is a 'legal' requirement for the Captain & crew to do a safety drill in case of emergencies on private sea vessels? | They were thinking of the tax haven cash by registering the yacht from Malta to the Cayman Islands.
That video of the crew member does tell us that he had to force the doors open, which means they weren't open, and he said to escape, meaning did he do that to save anyone?
You can find that if you search for this: Meteo Sicilia - Primo break estivo tra il 18 e il 20 agosto con piogge, temporali e temperature in calo. Le province coinvolte
The forecast was (translated from Italian): THE WEATHER FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS IN SICILY - Between the afternoon-evening of Sunday and the days of Monday 19 and Tuesday 20 August the worsening will come alive with showers and thunderstorms on several occasions in the provinces of Trapani, Palermo and Messina. The involvement of the 'thirsty' Ionian and southern localities of the region, on the edge of the depression circulation, is more reduced: on the central-southern sectors of Sicily the phenomenology will be more sporadic and disorganized, in the form of spotty thunderstorms more likely close to the reliefs (Etna, Erei, Iblei) in the central hours of the day. The strengthening of the westerly winds will determine a gradual increase in the wave motion of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Strait of Sicily, from rough to very rough. BEWARE OF THUNDERSTORMS - The interaction between the air mass inflow from the North Atlantic and the warm waters of the lower Tyrrhenian Sea, on the threshold of 30°C on the surface, could fuel the genesis of phenomena of strong intensity on the northern coastal locations with the risk of cloudbursts, strong bursts of downbursts and punctual hailstorms: the marked thermal surplus of the seas represents, in fact, a reservoir of potential energy favorable to convective motions and the development of violent thunderstorms, which can sometimes also be associated with waterspouts. Particular attention is also paid to the mountainous inland sectors, particularly subject to sudden changes in the weather and sudden thunderstorms, especially around mid-day.
Esysman videos have given overviews but not as much detail in previous episodes. Commenters have often interpreted and exaggerated the conditions. The Italian Air Force reports gave the pertinent details. Nothing like the downburst was forecast.
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Always factual and ignoring speculation. I enjoy your reporting. Good job!
Thank you Sir for your honesty and amazing videos
Thanks for the update on the yacht sinking. Shame about the fisherman being hit in the water. Can't imagine partying underway without someone sober at the helm especially with other boats around them.
Hi Terry, also I think something was lost in translation around 1:35. I don't believe that an outboard powered fishing boat would have failed to notice a MOB, even if they were paying close attention to nets or lines. Horrible either way, and might should not equal right on the water, but I'm also curious about the source for the unnoticed MOB story
Lots of fishy shit going on on these private yachts....
2 sets of rules....
Likely he had his autopilot running the boat... no one even watching where they were going. On the Great Loop cruising the East Coast of USA, we had several situations when approaching vessels where under autopilot and aimed right at us... head on. Had to give way several times because not only were we playing 'chicken', but I am pretty sure there was no one on those boats watching ahead.
These guys are behind the wheel with the mindset “I AM THE BIG BOAT, YOU ARE SMALL, so get out of my way”
@@ddbbloch4457 it would seem that there is a sense of entitlement in the person supposedly 'in charge of' the super yacht.
Thank you for the Bayesian updates. I'd only read half the mother's quote, so I'm glad you were able to give us the full quote.
That the mother didn't mention that the crew (Captain) helped her and her baby is not surprising.
In my work I have experienced an even mor drastic case. I talked to two survivors of a terror attack in Africa, carried out by gunmen. One of the survivors, a woman, complained to me that none of the men who were present helped her. Months later I came across one of these men. He told me that he and another man have dragged the same woman behind cover. When I told him what the woman had told me he instantly provided me with the name of the other man and of further witnesses. I do not believe that the woman was lying to me, I just believe that her memory was blurred due to the extreme circumstances.
Most people have faulty memory even in quite benign circumstances.
There was a law professor at Harvard who used to stage a stunt during one of his lectures - there would be noise and shouting outside the lecture theatre, people would run through and at some point a gun would go off. He would then ask his students to describe what happened; it would take only two or three accounts before there was huge confusion about what happened. His conclusion was "be careful how much trust you place in eye-witness testimony".
@@hb1338 I totally agree. Amongst us lawyers there is a saying: Who has ever heard three witness testimonies about one traffic accident puts into double that the accident even happened.
The 20 yr young kid Guillem was a very bright student, very good at mathematics, was on board with his dad and brother. As per Spanish news
That is so sad.
On which Board? Alfa Nero?
@@4Fingr First story
Terribly traumatic for the victim's Dad & brother to find Guillaume in those circumstances. 😢
I can tell you from personal experience that Marine Traffic specifically has been having database problems lately, so I would not put too much stock in the flag state change unless you confirm those changes on another platform. My own vessel disappeared entirely from the MT database a couple of weeks ago, and our live icon showed varying incorrect information. All the yacht details including MMSI and photos had dropped off the database. Some other vessels in our vicinity also had strange readouts. A week later we were back in the database but with stale details. We seem to be live and current now, but it was all over the map just in the last few days. FWIW.
Could also be "presets" in AIS for under-way, at-anchor, etc. dunno.
He said in a recent video he's using another AIS source as well, which he didn't name, as he'd found it more reliable than MT. As he's always very thorough, I'm sure he's checking this source as well.
Also I suspect this was a kind of '...and finally...' type of amusing anecdote to finish the video.
'Drop ' for me as an IT man is different to that indications.
@@wjhann4836 yeah sounds like deliberate DB changes, probably to do with based Houthis and their operation.
The sailor (Griffiths) was actually reported to have said "Griffiths told investigators that the ship "tilted and we fell into the water”
"We were then able to climb back on and we tried to rescue those we could,” he said.
"We rescued those we could, also Cutfield rescued the little girl and her mother,” Griffiths said. This would lead us to believe that the captain rescued the mother and child when they got back on the yacht but the mother doesn't mention anything about the captain and being rescued by him.
Yes, that's questionable. She said that she and the baby were washed off the deck.
I think there might be some lost in translation issues. He was speaking English to an italian newspaper, who reported it in Italian and then was translated to English and carried by English speaking media sources.
@johnrobinson1020 She might have mentioned it, but it might not have been reported ... that's a big difference.
@@maxhill5197 I guess it will all come out eventually
I don't believe the captain has spoken to any media as yet.
Congratulations on the continued success of your YT channel. You have a quality product and provide a valuable service to the yachting community. Cheers eSysman!
I love jow you remain unbiased and reports the fact you know of with almost no speculation. Such a great source.
Another great report! As you said, it's important not to read too much into the bits and pieces coming out about the Bayesian sinking. Having some knowledge about how aviation accident investigations are conducted, only after all the evidence has been collected and analyzed and a final report issued can you draw any definitive conclusions about the cause full sequence of events (which typically takes 1 - 2 years, and sometime more, in the aviation world). There are way too many people drawing conclusions and pointing fingers from the bits and pieces that come out to date.
So true, especially coming from people have never been on a rowing boat never mind a Super Yacht.
Indeed I have been upset at how so many people have been confidently condemning the Captain and crew from their comfy sofa before reading any testimony or evidence. If those people were in Massachusetts in the 17th century they would have been the first to find those poor women guilty and screaming for the hangings.
Today, speculation becomes "news."
Very true. Eyewitness testimony can be wrong and memories faulty or foggy especially after something so traumatic. Another reason not to talk to authorities without legal representation immediately after an incident. Details often are remembered clearer later on.
@@RayThackeray Yes -- it's a bit scary having so many people jumping to conclusions based very incomplete information and evidence... unfortunately, it appears to be the world we live with so many people having big opinions and with little apparent ability for rational and critical thinking.
This reporter is very professional.
Agree. From Denmark
I love his calm demeanor.
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Just 1000 shy of 300K! I posted about your excellent reporting on a major newspaper comment section since the reporter did such a poor job on the story. Hopefully this helped grow your base!
I have never been on a super yacht and probably never will, yet there is a strange fascination with the goings-on in that enclosed world.
Watch below deck. People in the industry like to slag it off, but it gives a pretty straight up and down documentary style view of what happens on the boats. Yes, production might play a hand and maybe amp up some drama here and there, but they really don’t need to because with so many crazy crew and passengers and captains and things that can go wrong. You don’t have to invent drama on a super yacht.
@@Phbalancedshortyit’s nothing like reality.
One of the concerns mentioned in past episodes is that those salon doors may have opened when the vessel went to starboard, thereby letting in water. This crew member seems to dispel that theory.
The thing had ‘salon’ doors. That is OH SO POSH. I’ve sailed on a lot of boats, owned a few. They had saloons. But they weren’t POSH. I wasn’t POSH, just a sailor. Salons are for doing hair or for POSH POSERS. Clowns on boats.
I'm not sure about that. If it was heeled over, theirs no way he would have been able to stand and prise them open, which throws up another possible reason for water entering the cabin area!!! I think we need to wait for all the statements to be compared. Also, my interpretation of the Captain and crew members actions re saving the women and child was that they had been thrown off, climbed back on board, and the captain rescued her. Are we only hearing parts of what has been said.
Unless they were partial opened, fudging the seal but also blocking people's ability to exit. It could be he couldn't get it closed again or people were behind him trying to get out along with himself.
If it was the sliding doors and the boat was so far to one side that escape was the only thought then one door would've already been to one side. If the doors were pinned then his hand motions are wrong and certainly the shear force of water should've pushed that crewman back into the cabin until fully submerges. So is there another set of sliding door or doors that would need someone to look down at to pry apart left to right? Or is he just a lying braggart trying to make himself look good???
I think he rescued them into the life raft when they were in the water.
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Given his gesture of how he forced the doors open it does not appear to have occurred after/while the boat had heeled over, but some time before
Thank you for very balanced professional reporting.
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It was a standing order on the yachts I have worked on, particularly the last one, that when the watertight doors are closing, you do not attempt to go through them. You will be crushed to death if you slip or fall. There are escape hatches in the various compartments, that is why you do escape drills. I think there might be sadly a little re-writing of history here. The guests are very dead. The young mother with her baby by her own testimony was thrown in the sea when the yacht heeled over. Maybe the Captain pulled her into the life-raft. Maybe.
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Sad about the fisherman, I’m surprised it doesn’t hapen more often given the prevalent nature of drinking and boating.
Well there are 2 boats. And usually a fisher will try to get away. Atleast i do. But yes the big boat is at fault
@@marcbeebee6969as someone who's had to get out of the way of bigger boats myself many times, when I had right of way, I totally get what you're saying. As my area is not infested with super wealthy people on the marina, I've occasionally had the opportunity to say to someone, once on shore "ok, so you're not on your big boat now, how big do you feel when I'm stood in front of you". But sadly that doesn't happen often enough. Sea rules should be obeyed always, I'm just (genuinely) wondering how that could be enforced
Fisherman was in the water. Unless he had PFD or wore bright colors, would be hard for boat captain to see him especially at speed while drinking. Terrible situation and outcome.
Also, I think fishers boats being run over by irresponsible rich eejits probably happens way more than any of us realise. Hopefully this channel becoming bigger might be the start of that being broadcast more. I'll be very happy to help with that if I can get a platform
@@flowsnake8732it happens every season here in Mallorca, usually don’t get caught. Entitled idiots who know full well what they have done, but always flee the scene. Always the same nationality.
Can the bridge even see over the bow on that silly looking thing!? 😂
Welchem albern aussehenden Ding? In dem Video geht es um verschiedene Boote.
Thanks for that.
Who'd have thought that a conspicuous display of wealth could end tragically.
Someone wasn't looking where they were heading or who was around them. Wealth is great but so is responsibility.
Some kids can't play with adults' toys and shouldn't be allowed to.
Poor dude in the small boat killed at someone else's party... that's really messed up.
Congrats to 300K subscribers!
4:49 Elsewhere it's been reported that the first 4 autopsies determined that they died of asphyxiation. In other words, they remained alive in an air pocket until their oxygen got used up.
Yeah, I believe in fairies too ! I bet that banker and his wife did the Hussain Bolt exercise routine everyday. Wouldn't hyperthermia and the mammalian diving reflex get them first, . . . very quickly due to age, physical condition and water temperature ? So they might be still shallow breathing as they lost consciousness and their grip on the picture frames and wall light fittings (Which would now be the effective ceiling of listing yacht), in the dark and slipped beneath the water level in the flooded compartment . . . and no water ingested . . . . .
@@nicholasroberts6954 On the following day, eSysman updated the cause of death to asphyxiation. So I suppose he believes in fairies too. 🧚♀🧚♂
Saturday Morning 30th of August San Diego Sportfishing Boat Jig Strike Sank 100 mile offshore...Everyone was able to get of the boat and was picked up by the Legend
@eSysman. Thanks for sharing.... this is somewhat scary testimony from the "sailor", and I'm looking forward to your comments. At the moment he asserts "manually forcing open" the salon doors it seems Bayesian was a) without electrical power to the salon doors, b) stable and level and that, c), once forced open, the salon doors may have also required "manually forcing closed", and may have both been left open... also freely sliding on their tracks with the subsequent movements of Bayesian. Note:
1. This is the same "sailor" as was on bridge duty.
2. The sailor asserts and pantomimes "manually forcing open" the doors.
3. This implies Bayesian at that moment lacked electrical power to normally function the doors.
4. The salon doors have been reported to EACH weigh over 1,000kg.
5. The weight of the doors, and ability to manually manipulate the doors, implies Bayesian was at the time the doors were manually forced open stable and level enough to allow for "manually forcing open" the doors and sliding the doors in their tracks.
6. There is no mention of taking the time to manually re-secure the doors..... leaving the likelihood the doors were afterwards left open...
If there was a howling gale, as reported, I'm sure he had the commonsense to close the door but it's all speculation at this point.
Engine was off, doors hadn’t electricity or with batteries?
The Conception dive boat that caught fire and sank off the coast of Santa Cruz Island, California, 2019. Killing 34 people. The NTSA will be making recommendations to the Coast Guard to make changes for crew and passenger safety briefing. Note: there was a hatch the passengers could have escaped through but apparently the passengers did not know that.
I think that hatch led to the fire.
@@georgeburns7251 As I recall, the fire started near the companion way that led down stairs to the bunk area. The passengers could not escape through that rout. The emergency escape was forward of the bunk area and not used.
Btw, that captain got off way too easy. He jumped overboard. Didn’t try to save others.
@@oldmech619 Were you there on the boat at the time? If not stop jumping to delusions.
Wasn't that fire started by too many people charging their phones?
@@darthkek1953 a later report by the ATF said they found no evidence of that, and argued the fire originated in a "highly combustible" polyethylene Rubbermaid trash can. But both this report and the original one seemed to agree that the real/main "cause" was a pervasive lack of safety managment (including no roving nightwatch).
Just so in-depth and honest reporting
thank-you for the interesting updates
I’m so pleased that I found your website a few weeks ago. I check it out every day. I’m not a boat person but the speech is so clear that I’m hooked!
Congratulations on your 300K subs!
I've seen la Luna in Porto cristo, can't believe I recognised it, I was there to propose to my then girlfriend, in 2019. It really stood out being mostly black. Wish I could share pictures. Tragic news for the fisherman and his friends and family.
Did she accept ?
@@moltderenou actually I hired a small boat and we went down the coast, unfortunately it was still pretty choppy from a storm that had passed through a couple days before and she spends most of the trip layed in the bottom of the boat feeling sea sick, the spot I had chosen was busy and wasn't calm enough, so I decided to look for a more sheltered bay, I got to calo des serral and as soon as i anchored she felt better, just long enough for me to pop the question, she did say yes and we got married a couple years later (on the same month) and it's our anniversary this month. And we couldn't be happier 😁❤️
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Thanks for keeping us informed.
Now would be a good time for refreshers and rehearsals of emergency procedures. Sure some crafts don't need placarding but I'd think the information being put out for every sailing would be standard.
'Bayesian'' was a private yacht on a private trip. The likelihood of IMO ever attempting to regulate such trips is zero.
It's difficult to conceive of a ship, of any size, that doesn't teach passengers a safety plan.
Excellent reporting! A very informative account; honest clear and precise!
Absolutely! I’m hooked on this channel now.
Appreciate your grounded commentary,~astute, comprehensive and balanced.
I really like the new channel name, it's clean and clear. And if the algorithm doesn't bring it up I can search for it easily.
So close to 300k subscribers!
Just watched this video and I see you're now on 300 000 subs. Congrats!🥇
Always great videos!
One suggestion: adding a disclaimer to your vids on the door/switches. I recall those are from your engineering visit onboard a motor yacht; newcomers may think those are from the Bayesian.
Keep up the good work!
Why was crew member trying to get out of lounge area? If sliding doors forced open suggests they were secured shut. Did opening doors let water flood in causing her to sink quicker?
Yes. Undoubtedly. That’s why they were sealed.
We like your reports, not just for yacht news, but my husband and I discuss your shirts, I have an interest in fashion and you have turned into an unlikely fashion icon in casual tops in our house!
That's funny, one thing I was never accused of was being fashionable! Appreciate you like what I wear though.
congrats on 300,000!
As a sailor I can confirm that a lot of the motor yachts - and especially the tourist ships - are wreck less drivers! The times of waving to each other and giving way are over. Its just me me me. Also between sailing vs sailing boat. As a good skipper I try to avoid accidents, but others just don’t do it…
I have to run back from the beach because 2 boats are anchoring at the same time, and the cross wind sandwich them against my boat in the marina! Scratching the hull and fleeing.. this is the state of skippers now a days
As a yachty myself I have to agree that the standards are dropping. In June we were nearly hit by a 20m power boat doing over 30 Knots while sailing near Murter, Croatia, despite being the stand-on boat I had to take action to avoid a collision, the lads on board the power boat seemed to be more interested in waving cans of beer around, and only noticed us at the last minute, despite our boat having a 20m mast with sails on, and AIS broadcasts.
As a sailboat sailer, we have started video recording, when a motor boat/yacht is approaching.
Too many bad incidents.
@@KoldingDenmark yes I got 3 cameras now as well. 2 in the mast, 1 inside. With 4G wifi I can see them from my phone.
No wonder the orcas are getting p*d off.
You could make an argument that autopilots should be disengaged in crowded waters, for safety reasons.
Does that really happen?
Why? There is already a legal requirements for a proper watch to be kept, to take action to avoid a collision and to not exceed 5 knots within 50 metres of another vessel. It would seem that these requirements were ignored so adding another?
@GrahamPearce-ib9om It clearly wouldn't have prevented this incident but might prevent others.
Why is the "Court of Public Opinion" even given any credence?
Congrats getting over 300K subscribers!
Associated Press decided that there was not enough confusion, so published a nice big photo of Baden-Powell, implying that she's Bayesian. BTW, looks like Baden-Powell is due for a bit of a touch up.
Congrats on the 300K!
so much for salon doors falling open at sinking...
And did you see the water tight doors 😮
If you have" black ship" situation when the hydralic watertight sliding (wtsd) doors are open they will not close ,by them self ,if not equipped with emergency measures for generating hydralic pressure. At some ships there may be pressurised gas resovars that can manage one closing of the doors via local presursation of the door cylinders . They usely have manual pumps and valves to open and close them also. These doors is no joke! they will cut of limbs or cut you in half if you are not clear when they close!
The idea being that no debris should prevent a watertight seal if present in the doorway,when the doors are closing. The status of the internal wtsd will be very easy to document, these doors do not slide shut or open by gravity,if the ship is laying on its side.
Yep. Curiouser and curiouser.
I’ve enjoyed several of your videos and decided it was past due for me to subscribe so I did. Unlike many news channels these days you report the facts as they are available. I find your analysis both informative and interesting a rare thing.
I've definitely watched more than 3 videos. New sub 👍🏼
Thank you, keep working.
Well deserved reaching 300k subscribers.
Thank you for your videos! They are always so high quality and interesting. I can see that you are professionals.🐪🧡⛵️
Thank you for your work !
Just a suggestion on IES showing dragging in a strange angle.
It might be as you rightly suggested IES error or data error from on board compas.
But this "sideways dragging" did happen to me on a 11m sailboat when the wind direction swinged suddenly from W to S to E to NE when anchored behind an island in Greece during a storm.
The chain was behind the keel (fixed keel) and we were dragging the anker with the chain perpendicular to the boat. We could see the chain in the middle of the boat with a flashlight. We started the engine, gave it a burst toward the anker, chain got loose and dropped below the keel.
We were safe!
Im not at all suggesting it would have worked with a 55m vessel in a tornado. INVESTIGATION WILL find the truth behind this terrible accident and there will be scratches on the back of the keel if the chain went behind it.
Best regards
Piotr
Sad.. the death of the fisherman.. what a mess...The Bayesian... Final Destination syndrome.
what does that mean?
I feel very sorry for all the people on the yacht Bayesian and their families.
The fact is:
A highly upgraded super sailing yacht with a mast and a lifting keel sank in a storm while anchored.
In the dark of night, within just a few minutes.
300m off the coast.
7 people died.
10 people survived.
9 people witnessed the incident directly, what do they say?
The cause of the accident is still completely unclear and lies in the dark seabed.
I am an engineer and I am also a designer.
I learned a trade at a shipyard in Hamburg.
I worked as an engineer in aircraft construction in Hamburg for 38 years.
I love sailing ships, blue-water ships, cruising ships for crossing the Atlantic and Pacific.
I don't like the sailing yacht Bayesian, why?
I want to outline this here:
My eye and my feeling say that the design of the yacht is disproportionate.
1. It is a very fast yacht, not a cruising yacht for relaxed driving (racing yacht).
2. The hull is very long in relation to its small width, the volume is smaller.
3. The hull lies deep in the water; the side height when tilted is therefore lower, less buoyancy.
4. Only one mast, which is very long and voluminous, and has a large lateral wind attack surface. The mast has a lot of weight over the hull, which shifts the center of gravity upwards and reduces the tipping stability, the yacht tilts more quickly in the wind.
5. The yacht requires a special crew for this type of construction. Personally, I would not design, build or buy a yacht like this, even if I had the money. As the owner/captain of such an exposed yacht, I would have to stay awake and be very attentive at all times so that no mistakes are made that could lead to a catastrophe. That would be too stressful for me.
The Bayesian must be salvaged urgently so that the cause of the accident can be clearly determined. That is the least we can do for the victims, their families and all those affected.
15 peoples survived
It‘s a motor yacht with a capacity of 60‘000 liters of fuel and huge, heavy engines, masqueraded with a mast of 75 meters, heavy of 450 tons - the crew hadn’t any chance to saving this anchored vessel in this case, only for the centerboard they would need 30 minutes, and the engines some minutes and maybe a hatchway was open - sunk over the stern sideways - tragedy
I subscribed because you reminded me to, and i like your videos. Not a yacht type person, watched because of Bayesian, but your reporting is lovely and straightforward without being aggressive.
Only just realised you changed the name from Esysman 😆
the same sliding doors, that you were saying might be open hahaha
My superyacht is a 10 metre, 50 year old ketch built of our own blood, sweat and tears by me and my husband. I wouldn't swap her for any of the monsters in these videos for all the tea in china and I don't believe any of their owners have more enjoyment from their yachts than I have with mine! (Or love them half as much) Nevertheless, these videos are superb. Thank you for the professionalism and knowlege that goes in to them. Fascinating. How the other half lives!
Awful situation to be in. Thank you for the video!
Your reports are so thoroughly technical and professional - you re The NY Times of yachting news!!
Oh, my, that sounds awful for the fisherman et al.
Whatever happened to the super yacht that smashed into the yacht? Did I miss a video? Or did we just not find out any more information… Great job on all the videos thank you!
Thanks again.
The Germans and the alcohol! Spain is tired of this continue abuse In Spanish territory.
Same happened on Lago Maggiore last summer. Riva Boat, drunken germans& a dead local couple who wanted a romantic evening in a small boat.
@@holyfox94it was on lake garda. At night in the middle on black water - this is dome kind of russian roulette, sorry. After 60 years on the water I follow one rule - the smaller the boat the more you must make more efforts for your visability.
Thank you for the video.
I presume that when the Bayesian crew member speaks of forcing the salon doors open the doors were forced open against gravity or the mechanism that closes them. Water ingress would not be a factor. Although one door should open easier opening with gravity in a list.
As engineer and qualified skipper my concern remains with the design and righting moment of this vessel which is part of a perini navi fleet. May I say that it would be prudent to recall all vessels of this designers specifications as a precaution until all information is known as to why this sister vessel healed over the sank so quick at the normal safety of being at anchor.
These big yacht's and who is steering have no idea who and what they hit in front of them or on the side. I don't understand why they don't have some sort of radar to visually see an object and check it out. Glad they caught up with this yacht and charged the person responsible!
Or, simply, a camera, a close-circuit TV, that should be easy to implement and decently cheap.
Large yachts are not made to be safe. They’d have a high visibility bridge among many other features familiar from big commercial vessels if they were. Little big boats, not big little boats.
I think it is useless to make assumptions, for the protection of the crew and the captain of Bayesian, when the investigators will have the opportunity to inspect the boat as soon as possible, the truth will be known. The only certainty now is that among them, the members of the crew, there are discrepancies in their statements, and for this reason they are under investigation, along with the captain. The rest will be known once the investigation is completed.
The "discrepancies" are from reports often translated to Italian and back to English and these reports have been leaked in most cases. We don't know enough to know if there are any discrepancies.
Of course there are discrepancies! Every survivor had a different experience. In addition, people in a sudden life-threatening situation often have hyper-narrow focus, and can even experience temporary blindness. If all the stories matched, this would be very suspicious....and indicate they has talked together and "gotten their stories straight'. This crew member in the video snippet was very likely still in a stage of shock as well.
Wrong. The investigation is taking place because lives were lost in unexpected circumstances - this is standard practice in all civilised countries.
Thanks so much for all updates. Following
Well it tells us the salon doors were not open when it started sinking - that’s a key theory as to volume of water ingress.
Regarding the Bayesian, i just want to mention, that in my marine experience, many downcomers are "snorkel" type ie they automatically close when submerged.
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Another video well done.
The yacht La Luna which has German flag hit small fishing boat. Three people were in fishing boat - 20yo Guillem, his 13yo brother and 45yo uncle. The yacht was going at full speed, they were screaming like crazy but it never stopped. Guillem took het fuul impact and was thrown away into the water and was killed instantly. The fishing yacht, three and half meters long,was practyically intact. In the sun you can read all article about accident, with foto and name main suspect.
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The mother and child were so fortunate to survive.
Such a tragic sinking.
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Congratulations!
Thanks!
It astounds me how often, not always, it is reported how these owners and guests ignore the efforts of the crew of these yachts! dehumanizing because s/o has money. A 'THANK YOU" can go a long way.
4 of the guest on board the sinking yacht passed away of dry drowning when their oxygen ran out in Air bubble of the cabin they were in. Sad
Salon doors are suspects in the rapid down flooding.
Raise the BYesian, don’t touch anything then pull the mast back down 90 degrees and
video what happens….resink it.
Only way to know for sure.
lol
Well a more logical approach is to simply make a scale model boat with exact proportions and weight, THEN test different scenarios of how it sank using the small model boat. It will be very expensive and dangerous to raise that yatch, so raising and then resinking that massive yatch is honestly ridiculous.
There's no way to replicate what happened that night. Even if you could set the boat up as it was before it sank, how would you possibly reproduce a freak downburst? Sorry but we need to let the investigation take it's course, and at the same time keep an eye on it to check for interference. I know it's a paradox but sorry, that's how it is. Wide eyes are way more important here than fixed opinions
Bayseain would only have had to heel to 45 deg to be at the rated downflooding angle without closing machinery vents and Intakes.
At that angle she would rapidly start flooding.
He forced the doors open while the boat was listed on its side like the other deckhand said? If so, he would have to force the doors open in a different manner than he displayed in that clip.
Thanks a lot.
I still have the curiosity to know the meteo data that night, in terms of wind direction and intensity.
Thanks
what data are you looking for? you are looking at a very localized event. I don't think there is like 10 -50m resolution available of weather data. You would have to have some satellite monitoring, otherwise you simply rely on fixed meteorological stations, they are miles apart. I also doubt that any satellite resolution is precise enough.... just imaging the amount of data you would have to transmit.
it tells us the doors had not failed at that point
When the Crewman said that he had to force open the doors I immediately wondered why those doors would need to be forced!
Those poor Crewmen were literally left with just the clothes they stood in!
Everything they had is currently on the seabed.
The sight of the tall masted yacht in the New Zealand storm video heeling over onto its side, then righting itself was highly impressive and imbues considerable confidence in the stability and safety of the vessel.
Compare that to the horribly low angle of the incident vessel, which would have been downflooding uncontrollably if it had suddenly heeled over onto its side, which Crew and Guest said had occurred.
The designer and builder chose to locate those large, open intakes in such dangerously vulnerable parts of the hull, and as such they are responsible for the consequences if the vessel heeled over onto its side and began uncontrollable downflooding.
The Crew had those vents open for the overnight operation of their generators and air conditioning packs.
The Crew were on deck when the yacht suddenly capsized onto its side and were all thrown into the water.
There were no Crew left on board that could close the intake vents on the starboard side to stop the downflooding.
I await with interest the final report issued by the UK MAIB in around a year's time...
The one crewmember said he forced the lounge door open
L’equipaggio è unico responsabile del naufragio!!! Non credo una parola di ciò che dicono i marinai!
@@giordanomonese5141 Pezzente.. una nave made in Italy non vuol dire che e fatta bene.. Vedremo di chi e la colpa sicuramente il design lussuoso ma non sicuro ne prendera la colpa
@@giordanomonese5141Italian or not, I don't believe a word someone says without a) making a logical argument and b) providing any evidence or citations. Somehow you know what happened when even the investigators haven't come to a conclusion yet? Ok mate, I've made a note of your username and will be keeping an eye out for you dropping further propaganda/misinfo. Very happy to track and report to the channel. Have a nice evening, by the way:)
The crew all have lives ashore, homes families etc.
They only lost the things they have whilst away on the boat.
Rich partying kids with Daddies yacht, will always end in a tragedy or disaster, condolences to the family of the Spanish fisherman, hope justice prevails | The short video of the Bayesian crew member does give a small glimpse as to what was going on, and the mother who held her child above her head, hard to do on land let alone in the sea. Wondering if it is a 'legal' requirement for the Captain & crew to do a safety drill in case of emergencies on private sea vessels? | They were thinking of the tax haven cash by registering the yacht from Malta to the Cayman Islands.
Private sailing trips have always been completely unregulated.
Someone on Alfa Nero watches this channel and is trolling eSysman. 😆
Question is did the crew member open the doprs before or after it keeled over?
That video of the crew member does tell us that he had to force the doors open, which means they weren't open, and he said to escape, meaning did he do that to save anyone?
congrats on 300k subs
Please post the marine forecasts for the local area before the loss of the Bayesian
You can find that if you search for this:
Meteo Sicilia - Primo break estivo tra il 18 e il 20 agosto con piogge, temporali e temperature in calo. Le province coinvolte
The forecast was (translated from Italian):
THE WEATHER FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS IN SICILY - Between the afternoon-evening of Sunday and the days of Monday 19 and Tuesday 20 August the worsening will come alive with showers and thunderstorms on several occasions in the provinces of Trapani, Palermo and Messina. The involvement of the 'thirsty' Ionian and southern localities of the region, on the edge of the depression circulation, is more reduced: on the central-southern sectors of Sicily the phenomenology will be more sporadic and disorganized, in the form of spotty thunderstorms more likely close to the reliefs (Etna, Erei, Iblei) in the central hours of the day. The strengthening of the westerly winds will determine a gradual increase in the wave motion of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Strait of Sicily, from rough to very rough.
BEWARE OF THUNDERSTORMS - The interaction between the air mass inflow from the North Atlantic and the warm waters of the lower Tyrrhenian Sea, on the threshold of 30°C on the surface, could fuel the genesis of phenomena of strong intensity on the northern coastal locations with the risk of cloudbursts, strong bursts of downbursts and punctual hailstorms: the marked thermal surplus of the seas represents, in fact, a reservoir of potential energy favorable to convective motions and the development of violent thunderstorms, which can sometimes also be associated with waterspouts. Particular attention is also paid to the mountainous inland sectors, particularly subject to sudden changes in the weather and sudden thunderstorms, especially around mid-day.
Esysman videos have given overviews but not as much detail in previous episodes. Commenters have often interpreted and exaggerated the conditions. The Italian Air Force reports gave the pertinent details. Nothing like the downburst was forecast.
@@meinolf153Thanks for posting the actual weather forecast.
@@meinolf153thanks meinolf
Reports are out today that 4 victims suffocated in an air bubble and did not drown.