Snow White is my favorite fairy tale and I never thought about it the way you explained it. Thank you. People in the past were very practical, every story was a life lesson.
Precisely my thoughts. I love that both Jonathan and Rippa are looking backwards into older, more coherent approaches to storytelling to build their own worlds of art. So good.
I love how I come into this comments section and see that Jonathan is rubbing shoulders with people like Eric July! This really is turning into a golden age of amazing decentralized stuff, perhaps the falling of small pebbles that will turn into a might avalanche?
@@damienwayne5551 I can't speak for anyone else, but where I see it is in two areas: their approaches to the business side, and their approaches to storytelling. Both Rippa and Jonathan are enthusiastically embracing the modern freedom to approach their customers directly - no corporate interference/assistance and no one to please but their customers. And regarding storytelling, they are both convinced that something has been lost or discarded in the way stories are told in their respective genres, and so they are looking back to older things from which to draw inspiration in form, style, and content. The differences kick in there, with Rippa looking back to classic comics that inspired him (and comic fans in general) and that were fun to read, whereas Jonathan is looking much further back to coherent, meaningful tales that large parts of humanity have found meaningful and instructive for centuries.
Rippaverse is so far below what Pageau is putting together its not even comparable. I appreciate the guy making an effort, but his attempt was so poor.
My brother gave me the Snow White book for Christmas - it is beautiful! I loved this break down of the symbolism as well. I'm looking forward to the rest of the series.
My interpretation of Snow White reimagines the tale as a narrative exploring the spiritual journey of humanity and its struggle against materialism. In this story: The Queen represents Earth and Nature, living harmoniously until her symbolic death, representing the moment humans gained self-awareness and lost sight of their true, natural selves. The result of this shift is Snow White, a symbol of the pure spirit of humanity, created by the divine King (God) and the natural Queen (Nature). Her characteristics - white skin, red lips, and black hair - embody the human potential for purity, industriousness, and exploitation. The tale's antagonist, the Evil Step Mother, signifies those who use manipulation and deceit to control and exploit others for material gain. Her hatred for Snow White signifies the inherent conflict between the natural world and those who seek to profit from its exploitation. The Huntsman and the Seven Dwarfs represent those who respect and seek to understand nature. The Huntsman, embodying organizations that can distort our understanding of nature, nonetheless shows mercy to Snow White. The Seven Dwarfs are seekers of truth - scientists and philosophers - who work for understanding and harmony with nature. The mirror serves as a revelation of truth, unmasking the false promise of happiness through material wealth and highlighting the real joy found in love. Various symbolic objects and characters, like the disguised Queen and the poison apple and comb, represent tools of manipulation and deceit, designed to control and enslave humanity under the guise of false benefits. As Snow White lies dormant in her glass coffin, she symbolizes the pure nature of humanity, awaiting awakening from the spell of materialism. This awakening is facilitated by the Prince, a savior-like figure, who represents enlightenment and liberation from materialistic illusions. The conclusion, marked by the Evil Step Mother's forced dance to death in red-hot iron shoes, symbolizes the exposure of deceptive practices and the downfall of those who exploit others for personal gain, reaffirming the triumph of nature, truth, and love over materialistic deception. * The Queen is Earth and Nature, symbolizing harmonious existence. * The King represents God, the divine creator and ruler. * The Queen's death symbolizes humans gaining self-awareness and losing connection with nature, as seen in the story of Adam and Eve. * Snow White represents the pure spirit of humanity. Her white skin symbolizes unconscious purity; her red lips, the ability to work and extract resources; and her black hair, the potential dark side of humans who exploit others for personal gain. * The Evil Step Mother represents those who manipulate and exploit others, misguiding them into believing happiness comes from material possessions. * The Huntsman represents organizations that distort our understanding of nature, while his act of mercy symbolizes those who appreciate and seek a harmonious relationship with nature. * The Seven Dwarfs symbolize the seekers of truth - scientists and philosophers who strive for understanding and harmony with nature. * The Mirror symbolizes the revelation that true happiness is found in love, not material wealth. * The disguised Queen and her actions represent deceptive laws or devices that control and enslave under the guise of benefit. * The poison comb represents tools like propaganda used to distort people's perception of nature. * The poison apple represents beliefs that manipulate interpersonal relationships for the pursuit of material wealth. * Snow White in the glass coffin symbolizes the dormant pure nature of humanity, awaiting to awaken from the spell of materialism. * The Prince symbolizes a savior-like figure who enlightens the world, breaking the materialistic spell. * The red-hot iron shoes and the witch's dance to death symbolize the revelation and downfall of those who exploit others for personal gain.
Is there any way in which I may help so those stories get translated in Bulgarian. I have a couple of translators already at hand with whom I've talked about translating John's book on the meaning crisis. Please let me know if there is, I'm sure my dauther would appreciate it also :)
Hey all, Jonathan and I recorded a fascinating conversation that will be premiering on my channel after this video at 8:30 am PST on 6/22 - th-cam.com/video/DWJCyPD0cYs/w-d-xo.html. Would be great to have you in the live chat :)
I see the term “beauty” here referring to the spark of divinity of the human spirit, as capable of individual bravery and forthright confrontation with the unknown, such that the technology/culture/barrier offered by the snake and by the queen is the temptation to allow cultural assumptions, to allow one’s current understanding, to allow the known- to halt the emergence of novel understanding, to halt to emergence of adaptation to tragedy, to halt the expansion of character. This means the story isn’t saying “you’re already pretty”, it’s saying “you harbor the indomitable human spirit which does not need some product (like ritualized therapy) to fix your vulnerability” So the queen is offering concocted external ways to become self-conscious of the vulnerability/limitations, And the lesson is something like “the beauty is already there” the ability to DEAL with tragedy and the journey of life and the unknown its all already Idunno, I’m trailing off into projections
With all the respect I have for Jonathan, I feel like I have to say something before everyone starts to take Jonathan's interpretation for granted. He may scratch the surface but his application is too restricted and narrow. Snow White is not strictly a female puberty story at all. It is actually an alchemical formula described through a story: The magnum opus, the purification of matter, the making of a philosopher stone, described as a personal and spiritual transmutation in the Hermetic tradition, which men and women should or must go through, perhaps several times through their life. It is done through 3 phases (nigredo, albedo and rubedo, so blackening, whitening and reddening - sometimes 4, adding citrinitas, the yellowing, inbetween white and red), all colors characterizing Snow White's appearence, and 7 operations, represented by the dwarves. They are not fragments of the ideal mate, not at all. I'm also gonna clarify one point which is not part of this clip but which they talk in the full version: The corset and the comb have nothing to do with amplifying her beauty, and Pageau's correlation with the apple is not bad but off as well. In alchemy, the soul, the spirit and the body are respectively represented by sulfur, mercury and salt. The corset is an attempt, by the witch, to cut Snow White's breath. The breath represents the soul. In french, breath is "souffle". When you suffer, your breath is altered. One should see the link between the words sulfur, suffer and souffle. So the witch is trying to cut Snow White's soul. The comb is poisoned and is an attempt, by the witch, to damage Snow White's hair. The hair is the most volatile and the uppermost part of the body, it represents the spirit. I will assume one can make the link with mercury. The witch is trying to break her spirit. The apple is poisoned and is an attempt, by the witch, to physically harm Snow White. It is pretty much straightforward here: the apple is flesh, the body. I will add that when Jesus said we were the salt of the earth, he meant that we were his body. So here, the witch is physically damaging Snow White's body, causing inner chaos. The witch's attempts at harming Snow White's soul, spirit and body are all necessary for the Magnum opus (it's called Grand Œuvre in french, by the way) realization. They are not an obstacle in the way of the realization of the process, but are part of the process. One must go through death and rebirth of the soul, the spirit and the body. The rebirth of the soul and spirit is done through the 7 operations, while the rebirth of the body is done through exposure to the light (symbolized by the prince, in the story).
But are you saying that Pageau's interpretation isn't there at all? I mean one thing is to say that there is this deeper meaning (which in fact as per the tenets of hermeticism is not worthy of the uninitiated) that you consider should also be explored in this graphically beautiful way and other is to say one interpretation isn't there at all while yours is the "actual" thing. One of the things one can take from listening to Jonathan through the years is that we should ditch explanations that go "X is just Y".
@@Bicicletasaladas I get you but the thing here is that Jonathan's interpretation is contained within the alchemical meaning (some say people using the word "deeper" just mean "religious", btw) as the magnum opus must also be accomplished when a girl hopes to transform into a woman. I'm not saying it's a different explanation, I'm saying it's just a part of it, and it's too narrow and restrictive, when it could apply to many more situations in one's life. And there is no need to be initiated or what not, because the narrative container of the formula makes it so that the unconscious gets it and translates it to the conscious, the logos. If this is not understood by the author, then the risk is that the symbols (the variables of the formula - ex: Snow White's color scheme) will not correspond to the meant narrative equation, which is essential to the function of the whole thing. I hope Jonathan sees this.
Interesting, but there is no etymological connection between sulfur, souffle, and suffer. Just because words sound similar doesn't mean there is any deep connection. To contrast, the words infant, fate, and fatal all share an origin in the Latin word "fari" to speak. Infants are non-speakers. Fate is what has been declared (by the gods). And because fate became a euphemism for death the adjective fatal meaning "pertaining to fate" came to mean death. That is interesting. False etymologies and connections between words can have real meaning if they become established and recognized broadly, that doesn't apply to the three words you mentioned.
Really interesting hearing your link to the fall. Might be interesting to consider the link to the 3 temptations of Jesus in the wilderness - particularly the one about authority being given to him. Authority was due to Jesus anyway at the proper time, it was already his inheritance/identity. Same with the bread, it’s not like he was never going to eat again (bread itself isn’t inherently sinful) but the timing was wrong. The most dangerous temptation is subtle, satan masquerades as an angel of light.
As I was told it, the story is based on a true historical event, surrounding the eradication of a royal line related to Ceasar in the Alsace Loraine, only it was a little prince who was rescued and protected by a group of Jewish miners.
I believe the seven dwarves are each components of what comprises the common characteristics of the jaded husband. They have lost their "charm" and luster - albeit totally enamored and dedicated to Snow White.
Could compare the story to The Temple of Solomon and the murder of Boramethe ( forgive me the incorrect spelling.) by his apprentices who are jealous of him and covet GODS words. S..M..I..B..
okay jonathan what's the green belt mean? cuz I'm only reminded of our lady of guadelupe who wears a green belt to signify her pregnancy with christ. Its an Aztec symbol.
Keep in mind the Disney version was written by someone of a certain religious affiliation that didn't care for the original story and how some people might see the evil step mother as being a representative of them and their money loving ways and reputation for being cunning and deceptive.
Snow White is my favorite fairy tale and I never thought about it the way you explained it. Thank you. People in the past were very practical, every story was a life lesson.
Between this and the rippaverse, I am excited for a "renaissance" of storytelling
Precisely my thoughts. I love that both Jonathan and Rippa are looking backwards into older, more coherent approaches to storytelling to build their own worlds of art. So good.
I love how I come into this comments section and see that Jonathan is rubbing shoulders with people like Eric July!
This really is turning into a golden age of amazing decentralized stuff, perhaps the falling of small pebbles that will turn into a might avalanche?
@@sigurdholbarki8268 I dont think they are aware of each other? But there are people who listen to both of them that see the connection.
@@damienwayne5551 I can't speak for anyone else, but where I see it is in two areas: their approaches to the business side, and their approaches to storytelling. Both Rippa and Jonathan are enthusiastically embracing the modern freedom to approach their customers directly - no corporate interference/assistance and no one to please but their customers. And regarding storytelling, they are both convinced that something has been lost or discarded in the way stories are told in their respective genres, and so they are looking back to older things from which to draw inspiration in form, style, and content. The differences kick in there, with Rippa looking back to classic comics that inspired him (and comic fans in general) and that were fun to read, whereas Jonathan is looking much further back to coherent, meaningful tales that large parts of humanity have found meaningful and instructive for centuries.
Rippaverse is so far below what Pageau is putting together its not even comparable. I appreciate the guy making an effort, but his attempt was so poor.
My brother gave me the Snow White book for Christmas - it is beautiful! I loved this break down of the symbolism as well. I'm looking forward to the rest of the series.
I just pledged $90. I'm so excited about this book. I really can't wait to see it. Thank you so very much. 🙏❤❤❤
My interpretation of Snow White reimagines the tale as a narrative exploring the spiritual journey of humanity and its struggle against materialism.
In this story:
The Queen represents Earth and Nature, living harmoniously until her symbolic death, representing the moment humans gained self-awareness and lost sight of their true, natural selves. The result of this shift is Snow White, a symbol of the pure spirit of humanity, created by the divine King (God) and the natural Queen (Nature). Her characteristics - white skin, red lips, and black hair - embody the human potential for purity, industriousness, and exploitation.
The tale's antagonist, the Evil Step Mother, signifies those who use manipulation and deceit to control and exploit others for material gain. Her hatred for Snow White signifies the inherent conflict between the natural world and those who seek to profit from its exploitation.
The Huntsman and the Seven Dwarfs represent those who respect and seek to understand nature. The Huntsman, embodying organizations that can distort our understanding of nature, nonetheless shows mercy to Snow White. The Seven Dwarfs are seekers of truth - scientists and philosophers - who work for understanding and harmony with nature.
The mirror serves as a revelation of truth, unmasking the false promise of happiness through material wealth and highlighting the real joy found in love. Various symbolic objects and characters, like the disguised Queen and the poison apple and comb, represent tools of manipulation and deceit, designed to control and enslave humanity under the guise of false benefits.
As Snow White lies dormant in her glass coffin, she symbolizes the pure nature of humanity, awaiting awakening from the spell of materialism. This awakening is facilitated by the Prince, a savior-like figure, who represents enlightenment and liberation from materialistic illusions.
The conclusion, marked by the Evil Step Mother's forced dance to death in red-hot iron shoes, symbolizes the exposure of deceptive practices and the downfall of those who exploit others for personal gain, reaffirming the triumph of nature, truth, and love over materialistic deception.
* The Queen is Earth and Nature, symbolizing harmonious existence.
* The King represents God, the divine creator and ruler.
* The Queen's death symbolizes humans gaining self-awareness and losing connection with nature, as seen in the story of Adam and Eve.
* Snow White represents the pure spirit of humanity. Her white skin symbolizes unconscious purity; her red lips, the ability to work and extract resources; and her black hair, the potential dark side of humans who exploit others for personal gain.
* The Evil Step Mother represents those who manipulate and exploit others, misguiding them into believing happiness comes from material possessions.
* The Huntsman represents organizations that distort our understanding of nature, while his act of mercy symbolizes those who appreciate and seek a harmonious relationship with nature.
* The Seven Dwarfs symbolize the seekers of truth - scientists and philosophers who strive for understanding and harmony with nature.
* The Mirror symbolizes the revelation that true happiness is found in love, not material wealth.
* The disguised Queen and her actions represent deceptive laws or devices that control and enslave under the guise of benefit.
* The poison comb represents tools like propaganda used to distort people's perception of nature.
* The poison apple represents beliefs that manipulate interpersonal relationships for the pursuit of material wealth.
* Snow White in the glass coffin symbolizes the dormant pure nature of humanity, awaiting to awaken from the spell of materialism.
* The Prince symbolizes a savior-like figure who enlightens the world, breaking the materialistic spell.
* The red-hot iron shoes and the witch's dance to death symbolize the revelation and downfall of those who exploit others for personal gain.
Not only does Snow White contain a lot of useful stuff already, but you're adding to it (or bringing more to light, hard to tell). Great stuff!
I can't wait for all of these books to become available!
Absolutely love this video! It has had an influence on my junk journal making. Yes to more videos like this!❤
Same here. I've done themes (visually) that have the beginning in the center of the book, and spreading out to the ends. It's really fun.
cool of you to give a shotout to the artist!
Amazing!
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!
Is there any way in which I may help so those stories get translated in Bulgarian. I have a couple of translators already at hand with whom I've talked about translating John's book on the meaning crisis. Please let me know if there is, I'm sure my dauther would appreciate it also :)
Hello. Where can I buy a copy of your book snow white and the widow Queen...thanks
Thanks
21:03
This is epic Jonathan
Weeping now
Love this. Thank you both.
Hey all, Jonathan and I recorded a fascinating conversation that will be premiering on my channel after this video at 8:30 am PST on 6/22 - th-cam.com/video/DWJCyPD0cYs/w-d-xo.html. Would be great to have you in the live chat :)
I will certainly check it out!
I see the term “beauty” here referring to the spark of divinity of the human spirit, as capable of individual bravery and forthright confrontation with the unknown, such that the technology/culture/barrier offered by the snake and by the queen is the temptation to allow cultural assumptions, to allow one’s current understanding, to allow the known- to halt the emergence of novel understanding, to halt to emergence of adaptation to tragedy, to halt the expansion of character.
This means the story isn’t saying “you’re already pretty”, it’s saying “you harbor the indomitable human spirit which does not need some product (like ritualized therapy) to fix your vulnerability”
So the queen is offering concocted external ways to become self-conscious of the vulnerability/limitations,
And the lesson is something like “the beauty is already there” the ability to DEAL with tragedy and the journey of life and the unknown its all already
Idunno, I’m trailing off into projections
With all the respect I have for Jonathan, I feel like I have to say something before everyone starts to take Jonathan's interpretation for granted. He may scratch the surface but his application is too restricted and narrow.
Snow White is not strictly a female puberty story at all. It is actually an alchemical formula described through a story: The magnum opus, the purification of matter, the making of a philosopher stone, described as a personal and spiritual transmutation in the Hermetic tradition, which men and women should or must go through, perhaps several times through their life.
It is done through 3 phases (nigredo, albedo and rubedo, so blackening, whitening and reddening - sometimes 4, adding citrinitas, the yellowing, inbetween white and red), all colors characterizing Snow White's appearence, and 7 operations, represented by the dwarves. They are not fragments of the ideal mate, not at all.
I'm also gonna clarify one point which is not part of this clip but which they talk in the full version:
The corset and the comb have nothing to do with amplifying her beauty, and Pageau's correlation with the apple is not bad but off as well.
In alchemy, the soul, the spirit and the body are respectively represented by sulfur, mercury and salt.
The corset is an attempt, by the witch, to cut Snow White's breath. The breath represents the soul. In french, breath is "souffle". When you suffer, your breath is altered. One should see the link between the words sulfur, suffer and souffle. So the witch is trying to cut Snow White's soul.
The comb is poisoned and is an attempt, by the witch, to damage Snow White's hair. The hair is the most volatile and the uppermost part of the body, it represents the spirit. I will assume one can make the link with mercury. The witch is trying to break her spirit.
The apple is poisoned and is an attempt, by the witch, to physically harm Snow White. It is pretty much straightforward here: the apple is flesh, the body. I will add that when Jesus said we were the salt of the earth, he meant that we were his body. So here, the witch is physically damaging Snow White's body, causing inner chaos.
The witch's attempts at harming Snow White's soul, spirit and body are all necessary for the Magnum opus (it's called Grand Œuvre in french, by the way) realization. They are not an obstacle in the way of the realization of the process, but are part of the process. One must go through death and rebirth of the soul, the spirit and the body. The rebirth of the soul and spirit is done through the 7 operations, while the rebirth of the body is done through exposure to the light (symbolized by the prince, in the story).
But are you saying that Pageau's interpretation isn't there at all? I mean one thing is to say that there is this deeper meaning (which in fact as per the tenets of hermeticism is not worthy of the uninitiated) that you consider should also be explored in this graphically beautiful way and other is to say one interpretation isn't there at all while yours is the "actual" thing. One of the things one can take from listening to Jonathan through the years is that we should ditch explanations that go "X is just Y".
interesting information. thank you.
@@Bicicletasaladas I get you but the thing here is that Jonathan's interpretation is contained within the alchemical meaning (some say people using the word "deeper" just mean "religious", btw) as the magnum opus must also be accomplished when a girl hopes to transform into a woman. I'm not saying it's a different explanation, I'm saying it's just a part of it, and it's too narrow and restrictive, when it could apply to many more situations in one's life. And there is no need to be initiated or what not, because the narrative container of the formula makes it so that the unconscious gets it and translates it to the conscious, the logos.
If this is not understood by the author, then the risk is that the symbols (the variables of the formula - ex: Snow White's color scheme) will not correspond to the meant narrative equation, which is essential to the function of the whole thing.
I hope Jonathan sees this.
Ok bro
Interesting, but there is no etymological connection between sulfur, souffle, and suffer. Just because words sound similar doesn't mean there is any deep connection. To contrast, the words infant, fate, and fatal all share an origin in the Latin word "fari" to speak. Infants are non-speakers. Fate is what has been declared (by the gods). And because fate became a euphemism for death the adjective fatal meaning "pertaining to fate" came to mean death. That is interesting. False etymologies and connections between words can have real meaning if they become established and recognized broadly, that doesn't apply to the three words you mentioned.
There is a new religious group who suggest eating ice cream is the way to true spirituality. They are known as the dessert fathers.
Snow White: Sun
The 7 (visible) Dwarves:
Mercury
Venus
Moon
Earth
Mars
Jupiter
Saturn
Love it! thank you!
Looks like Disney is making a new live action version of Snow White. I have a feeling the themes will be different from the original.
I am receiving unlimited abundance
What's the symbolism of the green belt?
Whats the music called, it was stunning
Have you read "Richilde" by JA Musäus? It gives background that you've never heard
Really interesting hearing your link to the fall. Might be interesting to consider the link to the 3 temptations of Jesus in the wilderness - particularly the one about authority being given to him. Authority was due to Jesus anyway at the proper time, it was already his inheritance/identity. Same with the bread, it’s not like he was never going to eat again (bread itself isn’t inherently sinful) but the timing was wrong. The most dangerous temptation is subtle, satan masquerades as an angel of light.
7 dwarves. Like the 7 days of the week. 7 is the number of perfection or completion in creation.
7 virtues
7 sins
You should get together with the Daily Wire guys to make movies like the Grimms Fairy Tales in a deeply symbolic/Christian way.
Ma-LEFF-feh-sent.
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As I was told it, the story is based on a true historical event, surrounding the eradication of a royal line related to Ceasar in the Alsace Loraine, only it was a little prince who was rescued and protected by a group of Jewish miners.
Apple should be just a perfect apple. Snow White should notice perfection and focus on her own imperfections. Poison woks.
I believe the seven dwarves are each components of what comprises the common characteristics of the jaded husband. They have lost their "charm" and luster - albeit totally enamored and dedicated to Snow White.
Ok bro
@@joel.ds.m If only we could have more value-added comments like yours. Never thought of it like that.
Hi jon
Maleficent (muh-LEH-fih-sint)
what does that mean?
He doesn’t mention Maleficent in this video but I thought his pronunciation was interesting…kind of reveals her nature more.
To mirror as snow white is to reflect the white light that surrounds us. Pinocchio knows this but most herd of this and thought lion.
Could compare the story to The Temple of Solomon and the murder of Boramethe ( forgive me the incorrect spelling.) by his apprentices who are jealous of him and covet GODS words.
S..M..I..B..
🤗
You and I have almost the same wardrobe. This means you need to get some new clothes.
Imagine this being a comment in this vid.
okay jonathan what's the green belt mean? cuz I'm only reminded of our lady of guadelupe who wears a green belt to signify her pregnancy with christ. Its an Aztec symbol.
Snow Black
No
Keep in mind the Disney version was written by someone of a certain religious affiliation that didn't care for the original story and how some people might see the evil step mother as being a representative of them and their money loving ways and reputation for being cunning and deceptive.
Ironically it was still Hitler's favorite movie.
Supported the kickstarter with the level allowing me to give one copy to my kids families and nephews families. But I didn’t get one for myself! 🥲