Is it better to strobe or high beam a threat in a defensive situation?
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- Just a curious and non scientific test of the differences between both being and getting strobed and high beamed.
Is it better to strobe or high beam a threat in a defensive situation?
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Here's an idea:
Get a foam bat and try to hit your friend while he tries to avoid and blind you, compare direct lighting with strobe.
Or an airsoft pistol.
@@Greeev Great idea
I did that with my friend and broke his jaw :(
@@ibeatanelderlywomantodeath8295 pardon?
@@TradBarbie I hit him a little to hard
Interesting test.Keep on the good work!
I'm the guy who left the original comment about the strobe not being necessarily the best option for self defense.
From your test in that specific environment it doesn't seem like the strobe makes it more difficult to see movement compared to the solid light.
Like you said it depends on the light too.I've seen lights with slower strobes that really makes things look like they are happening in slow motion.The Klarus has a really fast strobe compared to other lights I have used in the past.
One question you didn't answer is if the strobe is really more disorientating than a solid light as you had your eyes closed.
I believe the brightness is what blinds you, not the flickering of the light.
I know that test what to see the difference for the person holding the light and not the victim though.
Another thing you did the test outdoor.If you do the same thing in a small room especially with white walls you're more likely to suffer from the effects of the strobe as much as the bad guy.
Also another reason I like the "outdoor mode" better than the so-called "tactical" one is that you get instant low mode as well.
You're not always using your light to blind people, sometimes you just want to navigate without giving your position away and without using too much light.
JoeDurobot Hello Joe! It is good to hearing back from you! I apologize for having forgotten your account name in the video. If it wasn't for your comments we would have never thought of doing this video. Once again, you have brought up some very valid points. For me personally, the strobe felt a bit more "severe" with my eyes closed, but the test was so brief I am not entirely certain. Your mentioning the difference between being outdoors verses indoors is another solid point. We may have to address that in a future video. Also, I have been experimenting with both modes on my XT2CR since reading your original comment, and am currently also operating my personal light in outdoor mode. Thank you Joe!
strobe is harder on your eyes because in between the flashes of light, your eyes open their pupils again because its dark, they are then flashed with a bright light with open pupils, making it way more disorienting :)
JoeDurobot Hi. I’m new to flashlights and just purchased a couple of cheaper end tactical. What’s the proper way to use your flashlight for navigation and more stealth? Just keep it on the lowest beam?
I think that the strobe on these tactical flashlights is too fast to be disorientating so a good solid blast is by far giving you the best advantage...
carl blyth you and I share a similar opinion on this matter. Thank you for watching!!!
I've found that a 20ms refresh rate is way better than the lower ones, and will totally disorient myself when testing
it seems the combination of bright light and dark darks make it even more disorienting, the quicker ones just look like a bright light that changes brightness
Its only to fast for the camera.
First try a strobe on your own eyes an then you'll tell me if you change your mind about it 😜😉
The strobe is def more disorienting
How about a light with the narrow beam ??? And no flood light like a "L.E.P"
Thank you for this test!
How many lumens is the light
I am thinking along the lines of I am pulling a flashlight first to see who is approcahing me and gain better SA, when I usually pull my flashlight out I aim it to the ground to illuminate the area, If someone seems to be threatening, I would aim the beam directly to their face and pull my firearm. I feel a strobe would impact my sight picture with a flashlight. and the steady stream of light will still blind someone. Not going to stop them. but it will disorient them enough to to give you more time to get your front sight post on em.
what torch did you use for this? im having trouble trying to find a handheld strobe flashlight
They sell them in lots of stores try a double or triple click to see if it strobes.
Good test seems like it didn't stop you much
I don't know what you're doing
yo the time thing, that’s so true, never thought of that
Has his eyes closed
no shit. listen to the video before making a comment.
LOL you've already got your eyes closed when he turns it on! That defeats the entire purpose! Useless!
no it doesn't. your a dumb dumb and didn't actually listen to the premise of the video.
Tests start at 3:10
Thanks 😊
Thank you
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If only I had read this before the hour-long monologue...
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To be honest the strobe makes me want to run away aswell
Lol!! Right!
It does stress me out.
I like the irregular strobe mode in the dark on acid. My friends didn't at all.
I bet the neighbors across the street love you lol
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Nigga act like he can’t do dis inside da crib
Your eyes are closed
Brian Downey Yeah that was totally Defeated the purpose of the video
It was more of a test if you could see all the steps and all movement clearer with or without the strobe. In the beginning he was saying that instructors say if you had strobe on you won't be able to see him move or draw his weapon and loose track of time. It wasn't to test effectiveness of the strobe light.
maybe you should do this test and keep your eyes open
try do do the test with your eyes open, not his fault you complained
@@alev4287 he was trying to see if it made a difference in making him disoriented but of course it wouldn’t if his eyes are closed. This test is useless
Well hopefully my attacker comes at me with his eyes closed like u. Shit I won't even need a light!
lol
I am going to use a strobe on my AR-15. I am a paramedic in a very rural area and there are a lot of sketchy places. I have seen a pitbull turn and run when hit in the eyes with a 1000 lumen strobe because of disorientation. Strobes can also cause an onset of seizures. Good if it's the bad guy, not so good if it's you.
good to know strobes will freak out dogs (only in defensive situation, animal lover here).
@Hagen Meyer Some of the places around here are both.
I personally think the strobe is more distracting, than the full on mode, so now i know what to use if i am attacked!! :D , Levi
MrKeys57 strobe them like crazy Levi!!!
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maybe you're not intelligent enough to understand the premise of the test?
I think they're equal in terms of visually blinding an attacker but personally the strobe makes me feel very nauseus and the nausea alone would debilitate me.
The strobe is definitely disorienting from the attacker's POV, and a little from the defender POV. I think I prefer the the steady on as it's blinding to the attacker while the defender has the best possible non distracting veiw. Besides, if I was hit with a strobe I'd mess everyone up when I bust out the techno beatboxing and start dancing 🍄🍄🍄...
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Strobe... definitely. It's super disorienting for the person on the other end, you can clearly see what they're are doing, and having done my own tests on the other end, it actually hurts, even at 15 yards.
I agree. Strobe all the way
Works great in vehicles
@@scottashe984 huh??
Whats the best strobe light to get ?
@@Marko-bh3pl Anything with 1200lm and up. Preferably with an IPX-5 WR.
By far one of the more comprehensive videos in terms of answering the questions about various scenarios. That said, my whole understanding of strobe vs. solid light advantage is that the strobe is more advantageous when the defender moves around and knows the layout in a dark environment. Example being if you know where your furniture is and keep moving while pointed at an offender/intruder that has a weapon drawn, the strobe could disorient them while you navigate around physical obstacles (aka furniture) whilst you (defender) know where to step and move around. I was also specifically thinking about a strobe function attachment to a pepper-ball pistol for non-lethal home defense to the point I could get close enough to take down a larger person with blunt force and subdue them...just a thought
Exactly this !! With Strobe your sight is also missing "frames" so you either have a very good knowledge of your surroundings or i would definitely go with solid so i can keep a clear and constant sight on what he's doing. (With the strobe you see him already half way with flashlight pulled while you can clearly see when he starts to pull with solid light)
I've dealt with an unpleasant dog in Bali two months ago and with the solid light he did not like it but when I strobed him he could not face me anymore I use the Olight warrior M2R and I was very happy to have a powerful light with me when walking at night from the restaurant to my hotel
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His eye blind flash bang
I guess my fenix tk22 v.2 would work just as well. But I have a very nice 5000 mAh battery
Wow great story to always carry a tactical flashlight. It is non-lethal and effective in more situations.
@@yoshyusmc oh yea I was really happy to carry that flashlight
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@@jenseits1392 hey thanks for all the light suggestions, however I like my flighlight to be pockatable and easy to travel with, so there are just so few models that fit this criteria, I used to buy big flashlight but I would never bring them with me because of their size, so I stick with smaller ones now
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I would use strobe outside but regular light inside my house as i would want a clear light on the soon to be victim. Regular light will blind him too.
I know for a fact Strobe works. A bright light has its use for a type of concealment on the eyes of the person it's being pointed at. Strobe is for disorienting rather than blinding.
I thought the strobe was a little more disorienting myself.
To the bad guy or the guy with the light?
@@frankeast947 The bad guy
I think your video camera has not done justice to the strobing effects of the light when shining on the attacker. When you point the strobe effects to the camera, the effect are much more pronounced. To see the true effects of the strobe, you camera should be set to high speed... above 60 frames per second. The Strobing effects on the attacker are much more dis-orientating than on the defender who is stationary. The defenders who feel dis-oriented should practice a couple of minutes a day moving around with the strobe light throughout their environment. The best tactic is to blind the attacker with solid bright light if he is stationary.... and when the attacker begins moving use the strobe. The strobing will disorientate even more. If you have to move use the normal bright light, blinding him.
AbsarokaMedia that is awesome advice my friend! Thank you ao much for taking the time to explain that too us!!! We greatly appreciate it!!!!
Someone tries to jump me they're getting a straight 2800 lumens from my FW3A!!
I just got mine and I LOVE LOVE IT !@#
@@Stickboy618 Yeah bro, you picked a good one. Not a lot of better flashlights out there for the price IMO.
And tactical light must have sharp edges so u can break and slash his forehead if he blocks
Always an on and off not strobe. 500 to 1200 lumens... quick on and off step off-line and on off again. If you are standing still to light up someone, there is obviously zero threat.
Sgt. Smith 32.000 ok?
I mean lumens
No strobe it s allways complicated to activiert solid light in eyes and with thumb on
Great idea but you should try to accomplish a task. Maybe get a trainer knife and try to see if you can get a strike in on him. And your eyes were mostly closed.
The initial blindness is what matters most and you look like both eyes are closed from start to finish so the test means nothing. It would be the effectiveness of the initial blinding at various distances that you should be testing. With both eyes closed there is no disorientation so you just keep aiming in the direction you're facing as to where if you got hit with the Intial blast of light for all you know your target stepped left or right a few steps. Great Idea for a video just not enough thought put into it.
listen to the premise of the video before making a comment. as of now, its your comment that means nothing, not the test.
I don't care what anyone says. Flashlights are absolutely the best self-defense tool in the world. They're a hundred percent legal to carry anywhere in the world, they can't permanently hurt or damage anyone (unless they have epilepsy or some other neurological disorder.) They bring attention to the situation by providing you with light, and temporarily blinding your assailant, they can be used as a blunt-force object at close range and can Perry certain types of weapons, most of them can fit right in your pocket or right on a holster on your belt, and they're not too pricey. Not to mention, they come in handy during the daytime to. How many of you have dropped your keys or phone in a dark area (like behind the couch or under the car seat) and thought, "oh my God I wish I had a flashlight with me right now!" I know I have!
Just remember, someone hopped up on meth or adrenaline will look at your flashlight and say, "that's cute".
Jus saying strobe looks much worse in real life then on camera
And run away without checking where is second attacker
Strobe, from what I was instructed, removes the aggressors peripheral vision.
Mateeeee seriously? Lmao someone ain’t gonna attack you or pick a fight with their eyes shut lol
I hope you're laughing at yourself. You don't sound super intelligent
U need small knife good quality that opens with one hand and dont forgett to put some wd 40
So it is easy to open
Tactical light like a small bat with sharp edges
One test you didn't do is moving to one side with turbo and then with strobe. The reason I mention that is from others who experimented with this found that with strobe, the 'subject' seeing the light found it harder to detect side movement with strobe. So, if that is true, I'd rather use strobe since it is harder to detect my side movement. Also, modern lights also have a variable strobe, no rhythm. I would tend to think that makes it worse for the person looking at the light.
I’m getting a strobe
A great idea for a video!
I have read some studies, about the testing of how a strobe mode affects our vision. Then, which was a couple of years ago now. We tested it here ourselves.
You bring up a great point, about the strobe causing somewhat of a slow motion effect, and that definitely needs to be taken into account. Also of course, we need to take into account the situation, distance of a possible threat, and threat level.
From the studies I've read, and the testing we've done here. I'd like to point another thing to look at. And that is the strobe rate. We can of course discuss a steady light, vs a strobe. Such as you've done here. That discussion needs to take place. But we then also need to discuss, whether we're trying to disorient the target, or keep an eye on his every move.
I'd look at that decision like this. If for example, we thought it possible that the target may pull a weapon, and we had one on our person as well. I'd go for the steady light. Because if something should start to happen, we could do something about it. But, if we were worried that the target may pull a weapon, and we had none. Then we'd have to go for the strobe mode. while thinking about taking cover, right?
But what I'd like to throw into the mix here, is the strobe rate. If we are behind the flashlight, and the target is looking into it. We are far less likely to be affected. Is what we've found is, that a slower strobe rate, gives the targets eyes more time to dilate again, after seeing the blast of light, and the constriction of the pupil. With another pulse coming at the target, into eyes that are in the process of dilating again, or never fully constricted in the first place. Causes more issues for the target. A steady light will of course cause constriction of the pupil, but then can be 'gotten used to' more by the target (squinted eyes, constricted pupils, low lumens, etc.) rather than a constant yo-yoing of the pupils.
A shot of 2000 lumens (smooth reflector) into eyes, where the iris is more open, is very effective. Of course there is a sweet spot to be found here in the strobe rate, and we rarely see flashlight manufactures give us that rate in their spec sheet. A beacon mode, for example on a Manker MK35, can be very useful too! Given the target is at some distance, and the flashlight user is able to move between blinks.
Steve Kluver what awesome feedback! Thank you Steve! It sounds like you and your tests have gone into much greater detail then the simple test in this video! Thank you very much for sharing your results with us! Thank you for watching!
What a great informative comment. Steve, what did you determine is a good strobe rate range to be above??? my olight striker does 10hz at 1,000 lumens with 9,000 candela and when I test it on myself it feels very disorientating.
With knife slash don't stab in forehead
Tactical light carry in front left pocket and knife in right front pocket of short jackett
How u carry !!!
Allways check your shoes that they are sealed tight that they dont fall off when u run
Before u go on a walk u check at home.
The strobe on that light is to fast, mine is slower and much more effective as to disorientation..!! A little slower causes much more eye adjustment sequences as compared to your light....I know this from using it on myself..!! On the otherhand, a very high lumen light, 4000 or more can be very affective, especially when compared to 10-20,000 lumen lights
So what I purchased after a long through investigation, both on you tube and the manufacturers sites was the....
Nitecore P10iX Tactical Flashlight Floodlight, 4000 Lumen LED USB-C Rechargeable Super Bright Compact with LumenTac OrganizerNitecore P10iX Tactical Flashlight Floodlight, 4000 Lumen LED USB-C Rechargeable Super Bright Compact with LumenTac , which can be set for either instant probe or secondary push intense beam, both at maximum output..!! Every one I have used it on says that this should be illegal it's so disorienting, takes several seconds to recoup your sight clearly.!!
Shouldn’t u have ur eyes open?
If you yourself can handle the strobe, I feel it’d be more defensive than a solid, with a solid, you can slightly glance a different direction and still approach but the strobe is going to continue to make their eyes try to focus on the light.
Especially with fenixes patented alternating strobe pattern.
But honestly a canted light away from center mass of the body is better because the attacker will walk right to the direction of the light. Lol
So run em into a tree lol
But tactical high intensity light
I don't think a strobe light adds anything, if your flashlight is powerful enough that is.
Thanks for the effort but the serious attecker expects u to none awere while planning to attack
So
İf a dumb attacker will approach in front u can defeat that only 1 move with lighyt flash
Just wait to attacker to your strike range
Then it's close eneough
1 flash and it's blinded for 3 sec. Go on and make ur move with flashlighyt bezels strike Real good and hard Side of the skull
Nose
Mouth
Throat
Back of the neck etc. Always aim for the head
Then proceed to disarm if therese a pistol or smth.
Fighyt it's Just ends like 7 sec.
Everyone's eyes are different. && for home defense either strobe or steady beam will probably disorient someone who is not expecting it. I do believe the strobe may slow down reaction time however a direct beam will give the intruder a direct target if he or she is shooting back. Yes inside a resident's might be different with white walls && loud noises . Please do more test. Anyone please give input or criticism
Yes light them up .🔫🤣
How about you actually let your eyes adjust to the dark "ambient lighting" and then try to "attack" your friend. Lighting and strobe have very different effects. But your just walking back six paces straight in from of him. Then all he does is hit you with a bright light with your eyes closed then you pull out your light then hit him center mass. Well anyone can walk backwards and keep there eyes closed and stay right in front of your target. If your really put some real sim into it you will realize the real outcome of this sim will be real different.
Very informative video. Thanks.
HunterKiller Thank you for watching!
I have also tested the difference between constant and strobe and strobe is much harder to see through however any light you hold is a target for a firearm whether it is strobe or constant. Hold it out at arms length from your body to the side, if at all. Otherwise all your doing is giving a target. Hint: while your giving the bad guy a target make sure you have a weapon in our shooting hand, loaded and safety off.
Bro u and I think alike. This is literally my plan too if an attacker was coming at me. They coming straight for the LIGHT Period. Does not matter if strobe or constant on… they coming at us. So… like you said the light we using is secondary as a distraction and primary is the other hand. Right on brother and be safe out there
In my way of thinking the steady beam of light is the most important because it provides the most consistent blinding while your other hand could easily be producing (from your pocket, waist or holster) your defense of choice without him being able to see that you were doing that. Then turn off the light and show him One... Last... Strobe... lights out.
Strobe is better for disorienting though. Sure a nice bright light will be hard on the eyes but a strobe is meant to disorient someone by disrupting the images going to the brain.
My buddy recently did some guard training and someone had a military grade flashlight with a strobe function and he used it on my friend. He said it was like being stunned and would not want to do it again lol
How many lumens was this light used in the video?
Try it with a 3000+ lumens light and see if the attacker can actually touch the defender without the defender countering a strike
yes im gonna close my eyes when not trying to die amd shoot back LMAOOO
Maaaaan a strong strobe is no joke especially if it’s been dark a bit and the attackers night vision is set in 🤣 oh damn fool gonna see flashes for hours some from the strobe some from the can of ass whoopin he opened
Strobes are great for junkies with high photosensitivity/epilepsy.
Just run
You didn’t say which light was more blinding/disorienting??
I use 800 lumen light to create blind spot-s so they are moving their eyes around to clear vision,i now have time to make or close distance. 3d layer of escalation is warning to back away,2nd is blinding them to make time to back away or close on them
Tactical light with left hand and on with a thumb and in right hand knife that opens with one hand
My wurkkos ts10 is set up with a pretty fast strobe interval thanks to the anduril ui, and I think that helps with my disorientation and time distortion I like to test strobe light by running from and towards what would be a self defense situation in hallways and outside, from what I experience it’s best for creating distance but for actually defending yourself a long turbo at medium to clore range with disable their focal point and give you the advantage. Great video btw
To me, the question is which light would most disrupt the accuracy of the assailant’s aim, and ability to see other things around them. So maybe repeat the test with an airsoft pistol and see if one or both disrupt your aim, and if so whether one is more disruptive than the other.
Ya the strobe won't let them see ME drawing the weapon...i won't wait.
Fucking ROFL. Eyes closed....
hopefully you understand why his eyes are closed, if not, you should be ROFL at yourself
Great you have you eyes closed that gives him a chance to knock you out
They are both blinding to the eye but the strobe can make some people feel sick and really disintoriate someone
How about keeping your eyes open?
Patrick Ames your a tougher man than me Patrick!!!!!!
We would a prep he just going to fire where to lights coming from. So move to the right and start angling.
Wow that cool.I have a dune buggy I would like a light one light in the front back and both sides in case I find my self surrounded by rioters
I'd like to hear your opinion
Problem with this test, it assumes you as the defender stay in one spot. When you actually do tests in your home attempting to defeat an intruder, I found it much more effective to blind the intruder with the strobe, then move locations and setup in a kill zone. As the attacker, it was easy to fire directly towards the light, but when I got blasted and the light went off, I was so disoriented for 10+ seconds. It was amazing the difference. Try real life scenarios in your home with nerf guns and flashlights. It is best kind of training I ever did. You create your kill zones in your home, look at their kill zones when you come to investigate. In my previous 2 story home, I found it best to sit and wait upstairs. The minute I would start down the stairs, I was entering their kill zone. You could hear where I was and blast through the walls and it would definitely do damage to whoever was on the stairs. Burst lighting to get your target, then lights out then shoot. This also helps you know where you can not shoot, because of collateral damage behind the target.
There are two elements----1 blinding from brightness 2 disorienting ----get 1 with high only and get both with strobe
I have used both in self defense scenarios and both worked----but now I carry a Powertac with direct to strobe flashlight as primary defensive tool---Klarus I tried but the gas pedal strobe button activates all the time in the pocket---not good
The strobe is the better light. Difficult for your eye compensate to the consistant change.
Agreed. Solid light does affect night vision, however our eyes can quickly recover. The strobe doesn’t allows the eyes to adjust or recover.. this in turn is excellent for when you determine your assailant is Armed being that their tracking and target acquisition will be substantially diminished.
@@michaelomalley592 Good point!
first, glad to see you were smart enough to close your eyes!!!! There is no point in damaging your sight to show what your video did! As someone who uses my flashlight daily for work and also consider it an important piece in my self defense arsenal.
I personally want and use the strobe feature on any tactical light I carry. I believe there are times it is very effective and useful. I also have to have and use the moonlight feature on any tactical light I carry. in any situation it is good to have options because sometime I will need moonlight and other Turbo blinding brightness. I think the strobe has it purpose, but I wouldn't carry a tactical light that just had strobe, not would I carry a light tactical light that just had one setting.
which is best for defence, flood light or beam spot?
Yeah, great video ! Interesting !
One of the issues of trying to film this as a comparison is the frame right of the camera vs the rate of the strobe. If you sink the two there would be no visible difference between the two.
I have a strobe just like black ops
The strobe will mess up your eyes
bro what were you testing with ur eyes closed
2:00... Michael Meyers.. cameraman.. Boogie man making TH-cam videos
The ones in battlefield are annoying
I feel the strobe is much more obnoxious and has the ability to disorientate a would be attacker. I'm keeping it on strobe.
It does have the ability to do that but so does a flashlight that cant strobe i have a 400 lumen flashlight and have had to use it in the eyes of would be threats and they need to close there eyes from the sudden flash of light in there eyes and thats all i need to piss off or fight it gives me 2 or 3 seconds to think about what im gonna do strobe is great and all but its not necassary if your flashlight is bright enough
Strobe should be intermittent and full power
I think when it is flashing very fast it's like shaking
Shaking your brains 😂
i would use the strobe while tactically reloading.
Or turning the light off completely for concealment. The light shouldn't be constant, it should be momentary.
You've got that cholo walk 4:37
Being strobed is very disorienting.
shutter speed is a thing bois
Pepper foam or gel works too.
i bought 960 lm and flashed it in my eyes. while flashing its defense second it stopped i was ready to go. peper is defense tool i recommend
Pepper spray / foam isn't legal everywhere, though.
You should have gave your opinion on what was worse for you. You drew your flashlight. But if it was a gun could you have hot your target. You eyes looked closed when the light was pointed in your face.
Thank you for watching and commenting!!! You bring up a good point! The point of this video was not to show how the difference between straight light and strobe affects the attacker, but the defender. Many defenders argue that strobe is just as disorienting to themselves and therefore should not be used. My eyes were diffinitely closed brother!!! Hahaha!! We love the feedback brother! Thank you for being a part of our channel!!!