Thank you, Mark. You helped my resignation go smoothly and also took the fear I felt away. Thank you, John. Your podcast has helped me through a lot of issues that I've faced leaving the church.
I felt the same relief when it finally dawned on me that the church wasn’t true. It as like a huge weight lifted off of my shoulders that I didn’t even know I was carrying until it was gone.
Thank you so much 💓Mark Naugle for going above and beyond the call in such a daunting task. The true value of your work is unfathomable and will continue touching lives for generations.
Mark Naugle seems like a genuinely good caring person. One of the things I enjoy about Mormon Stories is that so many of the interviewees seem like sincere, good people.
That doesn't factor the people who just walk away and don't take the time to resign. My mom, dad, sister, her 3 kids and brother in law never resigned and haven't been to church in 4 years. So in reality it's likely well over 100 stakes the last 5 years
@@t-pain3343 yep.....completely agree. And I think that is being seen in some of the more liberal parts of the county. My sister tells the church is noticeably retracting in Oregon. I don't have specifics on that. It's just her observation. The real irony: My dad served his mission in Oregon. His mission went back and forth with a mission in Brazil on being the top baptizing mission in the world.
@@ChristopherSalisburySalz it's a ridiculous organization. Nobody outside utah and a few small towns in Idaho care about mormonism. I dont think there will be much left of it by 2050...other than a lot of cash
Happy to be part of the backlog!! QuitMormon was such a blessing to me and I proudly posted the legal letter to all my friends and family. Thank you for all your wonderful work 🙏
Mark saved me from the harassment. Despite my demands they would not stop knocking on my door. One lady said I am on the records and I don't have the authority to ask them to leave me and my wife alone. The very next day I went to Mark. I guess they read my demands in church because now they cross the street while walking past my house. I don't want to be a dic neighbor but they force you into it. Mark got the waiting period waved so I didn't have to live through the shaming period. I'm very grateful for the work Mark does. Thank you!
Wouldn't surprise me if the church started going through an attorney for the resignations because it was upsetting the people in the membership office.
Marc - you are so awesome and thank you for your work with Quit Mormon. It made my life so much easier! I was one of your first followers and loved your service!
Thank you Mark for processing my resignation from the Mormon Church! What a happy day when I got the letter saying I was officially removed from the LDS Church!!!
Thank you Mark for helping me with my resignation two years ago. I had tried on my own and was ignored and continually stalked for years. It has been such a relief to be finally left in peace.
QuitMormon submitted my resignation on Jan 16, and we are still waiting on the confirmation! I cannot wait for the relief of the confirmation! Wish the one true church would just let people leave easier 🤦🏼♀️ Very grateful to you both.
They are still sending resignation Confirmation letters. We got our tonight. Like the final one , not the acknowledgement one. We are officially on paper OUT!
I left the Church in the late 1970’s and submitted my resignation letter in 1978. The convened a Bishop’s Court in 1980 and I went there to discuss my reason for leaving, Christianity never left the earth, Joseph Smith was absolutely not a prophet, and the Mormons are polytheistic. Those were my three reasons. The Bishop’s Court listen and then told me they are going to excommunicate me. They told me if I ever changed my mind, I would be welcomed back with open arms. There was no resigning in that day, they had to drag you through the mud, and they announced it in Church (this I was told, true or not, I’m not sure). I said, thank you regardless of the person cost or humiliation. I left, happier than ever!
I could have my facts wrong so please feel free to correct - i think before the 1980's the only way out of the church was excommunication. The church offered no way for resignation short of that. I recall reading there was a lawsuit filed sometime in the early 80's and it forced the church to actually provide a way for resignation without the indignity of a "court of love." But they still make you walk thr gauntlet. And let's never forget: the church is like the hotel California. You can check in any time you like, but you can NEVER leave. You are on permanent file with them. Resignation accomplishes getting you off the public contact list.
I have used Mark's services and I had no problems. I received confirmation of my resignation in September of 2016. Thank you, Mark. Glad to finally find out who you are.
Thank you for having Mark on this episode! I will always be greatful for his service that has impacted so many lives- even in small town Wyoming I have met three different people that had used Quitmormon.
I left through quitmormon myself living in the UK and I am grateful to Mark for his service. And I am grateful to John because when I left the church I had no one to talk to about it and help me digest it. Mormon Stories was a massive help.
Mark provides a valuable service for those who have discovered the truth about Mormonism. Thank you mark for assisting so many, and thanks John for this interesting insight 💖
9:17 “immediate relief” was exactly how I felt too Mark. so many years thinking it was weird and ‘peculiar’ and now there is irrefutable evidence that none of it was real. I just wish I had realized this back when I was 13 or so and not after 4 decades of being Mormon
I was disappointed. I had believed that religion to be true, I wanted it to be true... and I was disappointed that people had lied to me (intentionally or accidentally). I spent at least a year being disappointed at each new realization. It's only now years and years later once I've gotten over all that that I think "thank hgoodness I'm not wasting time on that crap anymore!" It didn't feel like crap at the time. I was genuinely sad and grieving.
@@carlotta4th I completely understand how many people felt that way. I cant imagine the anger and disappointment. Hope life is much better the further you get away from your break up with the church
I didn’t have any clue that I would get the immediate sense of relief and joy upon notarizing my QuitMormon forms. I had already been out mentally and openly for years but not officially. Mark is so right that submitting this resignation letter feels like a huge emotional accomplishment. Truly liberating.
I resigned in 2003 because I didn't want the Q15 from claiming me in their stats. But as Mark and John pointed out, the next tithing settlement my dad noticed on the list of BIC (born in the covenant) children. I was thrilled when I received my confirmation letter and still have it today. Mark spending all this time helping members resign shows him to a very helpful and patient person.
Oh my I didn’t realize that my dad could see that I resigned! I just went to get my letter notarized today but I haven’t sent it in yet. He’s in his late 80’s and my mom has already passed away. I want to resign 100% but I don’t want to be treated any differently once it’s official. They know I’m inactive of course and have been for years but I don’t want his heart broken. Out of us seven children my brother was the one who was super vocal about leaving but I have kept everything a secret and we don’t talk about it. I know it’s what I need to do of course, but I swear the church makes this so difficult 😣 it’s invasion of privacy in my opinion. I should be able to leave and have the option of nobody else knowing about it!
When I resigned after a whole drama and my having to contact a lawyer and threatening a restraining order (or the Aussie equivalent), I was sent the pamphlet. It told me all of my blessings etc. had been revoked. And then there was a great disturbance in the Mormon-verse. 😂
The LGBT policy was the last straw for me. Living in Salt Lake City seeing teens living on the streets homeless during the winter because they came out as gay and their parents threw them out of the house. Christ like my ass. I am so grateful to have found Mark, and he got me, my husband and our son out for the last time (we had previously resigned 20 years earlier, went back through the grueling process to be re-baptized) in February 2017 and we have not looked back. Thank you Mark, for what you do, and to John for what you do! I am not surprised at all that the church has made it harder to do the resignations. They feel threatened. GOOD!!!
Mark processed my resignation in 2015 after the infamous November policy was released. It was an important part of my healing process along my journey to self-acceptance. I’m so grateful to him for that! 🏳️🌈❤️🏳️⚧️
John this interview was GREAT!!! Mark is so instrumental in helping people resign from the church and I believe this interview will continue to help thousands as we move forward with this effort. Thank you for guiding Mark with all the right questions. It really was beneficial to the interview's importance.
wow. I haven’t resigned yet (I delayed for some years because I had some BYU transcripts in limbo) but I hadn’t paid attention to how much of a hassle they’ve made it. Thanks Mark for working to streamline this for so many people.
I don't think the hassle is recent: no mention yet of the 30-day "cooling off" period when I resigned in the late 90's. (I was *very* chill in my exit interview - I think the bishop/counselor was rather off-put.)
It's so weird to listen to this 5 years after leaving. Seems like a weird, unbelievable world that I've forgotten about the nuance of how the belief impacts everything.
Mark Naugle, thank you so much for your commitment to this amazing service. You have helped almost 100,000 Mormons leave with dignity and self respect. I haven’t attended in over a decade but when I heard about you here on this channel a few years ago I took action and signed up. You’re doing very important work and thanks again🍻🍻👊👊And please don’t feel obligated to continue of you can’t take it anymore... I hope you’ll be able to retire at some point haha. Take care Editing as I go... man I’d love to see you get a marketing volunteer. Have a “support our marketing!” Donation button. Billboards all over Utah would be amazing 😂
I resigned using quitmormon but my mom still found out eventually. My uncle who is a bishop looked up my name in the records and saw it was missing and called my mom and told her. It was an awkward conversation...
@@brycepardoe658 I was getting married and considering having my uncle do it because he is a bishop but apparently if a bishop marries somebody (even if it’s not a temple marriage) he has to get permission from my assigned bishop?? So he looked up who my bishop would be (without me having any clue about this rule) and saw that he couldn’t find me in the database.
@@brycepardoe658 it wasn’t all that bad to be honest. I am lucky to have great parents who are very understanding. I had already told them that I didn’t believe in it but this was news to them that I actually removed my records. I could tell she was saddened by it but respected my ability to choose for myself. I know many other people are not as lucky as I am in this kind of situation.
@@jaronhall If you use a Mormon bishop you are signaling to them that you might still be interested. I would steer clear of Mormon anything unless you plan to become active one day.
Jacob, I resigned my membership almost 25 years ago. I still feel a sigh of relief and a smile in my lightened heart whenever i think of my resignation. Ps. I did get the threatening letter of the ruination of my eternal salvation;which made me angry at the time but makes me chuckle now. Honor your process.
I’d be interested in volunteering some time as a retired paralegal, no task is too small, I need to go thru this now and I hope I can help the cause after I’m fully out
Don't forget the thousands outside of the USA. I wonder if anyone in South Africa 🇿🇦 knows the escape rate here? Good man Mark. I left in my early 70's. Happy. I did go through those stages of grief.
dying at "what's the blessing where they tell you the future??" I was mormon until I was 25 and I am starting to forget the stupid terminology, too. It makes me feel one step closer to being a normal person outside of the mormon church hahah
I'm so grateful QuitMormon.com helped me get out of the cult and changed my charity on amazonsmile to it!! Every time I make a purchase on amazonsmile, QuitMormon.com gets a little piece!! ❤️❤️❤️
It's interesting that they have such a problem with duplicates when there are so many duplicate names being used at the temples. Years ago I was doing family history and found that my great grand mother (who we did work for in LA) had also been endowed somewhere in South America
So true! They are really spinning their wheels in the temple. At their current rate, it will take an enormous amount of time to process all the names already on file. That is why they shortened the endowment ceremony.
Just keep in mind that the church WANTS people to send resignations in directly. Going through quitmormon leaves a statistical count of resignations in the public domain. This is why the church throws hurdles at quitmormon but responds quickly to direct resignations.
It took a restraining order to keep the local Mormon church from trespassing onto our property, and I have never been a Mormon! It wasn’t until one or them was on the ground being detained by the Sheriffs dept that he got the point that you have to leave someone alone. I have no clue why they had such a hard on to convert my family.
I enjoyed this interview, and I didn’t know about the records being stored somewhere. Everything that Mark explained was interesting and beneficial for me. Yay, we know how to get help.
I submitted mine early 2019 and it kept getting delayed. Then I had to submit my ID. I was very okay with submitting that information. Got my notification that my records were removed Jul 2019. It was the most freeing feeling. Thank you Mark and team. You may be removed from Mormon news, but you need to know that you are one of the biggest influences in the exmormon community and many people are forever grateful, including me.
Thank you John and Mark. I have heard of people using Quit Mormon they said it was a pretty quick process. In 2017 when I and my son finally figured the fraud the church is sent our resignation letters in to the church we got our letter telling us the resignation had been accepted about three weeks later. We resigned for closure.
As an exJW one can write a letter of disassociation and you are considered apostate and shunned, but the Watchtower refuses to remove your records even when explicitly requested. And in America there is no legal recourse for this. The organization considers the records theirs and claims this is a matter of freedom of religion.
When my family was left in the cold because we couldn't pay them and I found out they were sitting on 100 billion dollars and paid the top and who knows CEO salaries of 120K a year it was enough. It's simply a Ponzi scam. I was a college professor and studied these for years. They take the money, you never see it again, it's not disclosed where it's going and you find out they are wineing and dining at the top it's enough. I would suggest anyone leave now like I did and save the rest of your life. They treat you horribly when you don't pay them. What's that ring? NO talks, NO callings and threats of cursings, burning and family separation is simply a Ponzi scheme. A real bad one. Run...Use Mark like I did!! LIVE AGAIN!!!
The case law is there and should be codified in FEDERAL law for fines and bounties collected by the IRS. Making us file a lawsuit in too onerous. It is a blatant civil rights violation
They're not arguing in good faith. So when they create these obstacles, make you go through the law office, and calling you a fraud, implying you're dishonest. It's disgusting
We left the church 5 years ago but never formally resigned until mid-March. We resigned because we don't want our children's names on the local records. We've gotten several letters for the kids because they're on the rolls. The fact that our home is on a map listing our children hasn't technically been a problem, but the potential is there for people to abuse that information. Still waiting...
I’m one of those dreaded pro se’s. I never formally left the Mormon church, mostly because I don't recognize that the church has any actual authority over me. What is the law on a Mormon member getting their own church records (which is another reason I haven't resigned)? I’d be willing to file my own case if I can't get my records without litigation.
I submitted identical letters to my bishop and stake pres. at the same time. Included name, member number, baptism date. Stated my request to have my name removed from the records of the church. Acknowledge that I understood it would render my baptism, priesthood and other ordinances such as sealing ineffectual. Acknowledge that I understood the only way the reverse this was to be re-baptised. Asked that the normal 30 waiting period be waived. Then I signed and dated it. I received a reply that it had been processed less than 30 later.
John you should host a yearly Ex-Mormon convention!!! A lot of your guests could have their own booth for photos with attendees! You could give the opening non-prayer ;) There could be food vendors of Mormon potatoes, green jello and taffy polls ;)
That’s crazy, I am a non practicing Catholic, I know I am still on the books, but no one has ever contacted me, and if I went to the priest at the church I went to, he wouldn’t know if I had or hadn’t been attending services, how do they keep track of so many people?
Mormons are the best example of, "Nice does not equal good. These are not synonymous. Nice people are not good people, and some good people are not nice." This has taken me a long time to learn. But watching House of Cards definitely helped. :P
I sent a signed letter and my temple recommend to mormon records, I received a confirmation letter from them a couple weeks later. Best day ever🤗 this was in Nov 2021. I didn't have it notorized. Copied my letter from net, crossed off the unnecessary stuff, printed my name and signed. I guess my member # was ok.
I got a phone call from the church asking me for details about my brother's address, phone number and personal information when my brother was serving in the Army in Germany. I said I would have to ask him first and the woman became indignant and said something like "But I'm calling from the Church!". I told her "That's the problem" and hung up. They are so full of themselves. They have gotten visibly upset with me at Temple Square numerous times. They can be tone deaf and pushy
Amazing how accurate you’re describing how us resigned feel. Yes stages of grief fear of blow back losing community kids losing their friends in the neighborhood what is the wife going to say how is she going to react and so on but I know I need to Be an example and do it I know it’s right. Mark describes me to a T
Oh my goodness! Mark’s fear of Satan as a child totally sounds like my youngest daughter. I was raised atheist/agnostic, but once I had my first daughter I went running toward Christianity and landed as a Seventh Day Adventist. My youngest daughter went to an SDA school for all of elementary and junior high. In second or third grade she developed an obsessive fear of Satan, and Hell. The SDA church also is pretty anti-Catholic, when her Sabbath school class would discuss that it, on more than one occasion, led her to tears. We left the SDA church by the time that daughter we switched to United Church of Christ. That worked for me because I am a fairly left-wing Democrat. We stayed at UCC for about four years. Now, mostly we are pagan,; no dancing naked on the full moon, no sacrificing, we do not belong to a coven.....no tithing, no evangelizing, no guilt for not being good enough. I log onto your channel once every month or so even though I have never been LDS. Because your channel discusses sex and the LDS church occasionally; I want to address one thing about the SDA church we belonged to. The pastor would discuss his pornography eduction during his sermon! My husband, who did not go to church with us, described it as “euphoric recall”. It was kind of almost like an exhibitionist. Anyway, I kind of rambled. Thanks for listening.
Thanks for sharing your story. While I was born to a Mormon family and because of my dad’s job, we moved around a lot. Including a 5 years outside of the US. So as a child, we attended a SDA school because it was the only elementary school that taught in English. That means for years, I had SDA religious class every day. What fascinates me is that there are some similarities between Mormonism and the Adventist. But that makes sense because they were both born during the Second Great Awakening and in the same general area. And I can also say there are some weird church going people who’ve been super obsessed with sex so much, it even came up in sermons or talks! I ended up the opposite as you; I’m actually an atheist now and can not justify a belief in a deity. But wouldn’t life be boring if we all believed the same thing? ;) Stay safe.
I got them to stop coming when we lived in Ogden by telling them I was Catholic (raised, not a believer) and they could have an hour to tell me about being Mormon if I could have an hour to tell them about being Catholic. They never came back. We lived 2 doors down from a ward church and people would actually cross the street to not walk in front of our house after that. It was funny.
When I moved no one knew my address. Then I went to visit some people a few years after I had been in that ward and my well meaning former neighbor got my address so they could send me Christmas cards.... never got a card. I did get home teachers with a plant. Then I got endless mailings from the ward. After I wrote the bishop a letter asking them to back off, I got a bag of apricots and half were rotten. It was at that point I wrote the bishop another letter asking to have my name off the books. He sent it to church offices and I then got the letter saying I had thirty days to change my mind or was going to Hell. Thirty days came and went and then my final removal letter. That was about 2007 or 08. No regrets.
Thank you, Mark, for processing my resignation in 2017! ❤
Thank you, Mark. You helped my resignation go smoothly and also took the fear I felt away. Thank you, John. Your podcast has helped me through a lot of issues that I've faced leaving the church.
I felt the same relief when it finally dawned on me that the church wasn’t true. It as like a huge weight lifted off of my shoulders that I didn’t even know I was carrying until it was gone.
Thank you so much 💓Mark Naugle for going above and beyond the call in such a daunting task. The true value of your work is unfathomable and will continue touching lives for generations.
Mark Naugle seems like a genuinely good caring person. One of the things I enjoy about Mormon Stories is that so many of the interviewees seem like sincere, good people.
Thank you Mark!!! People shouldn't need a lawyer to quit a church but that is the Mormon church for you!
Especially you don't need one to join! Another thing they don't tell before you join!
I left the church through quit Mormon thank you Mark!:)
Just thought about it. There's approximately 3,000 members in a stake. 90,000 submissions since 2015 is the loss of 30 stakes in 6 years!
That doesn't factor the people who just walk away and don't take the time to resign. My mom, dad, sister, her 3 kids and brother in law never resigned and haven't been to church in 4 years. So in reality it's likely well over 100 stakes the last 5 years
@@t-pain3343 yep.....completely agree. And I think that is being seen in some of the more liberal parts of the county. My sister tells the church is noticeably retracting in Oregon. I don't have specifics on that. It's just her observation. The real irony: My dad served his mission in Oregon. His mission went back and forth with a mission in Brazil on being the top baptizing mission in the world.
That makes me happy! I try not to be negative towards the church but if I'm being honest I kind of hate it.
@@ChristopherSalisburySalz it's a ridiculous organization. Nobody outside utah and a few small towns in Idaho care about mormonism. I dont think there will be much left of it by 2050...other than a lot of cash
Happy to be part of the backlog!! QuitMormon was such a blessing to me and I proudly posted the legal letter to all my friends and family. Thank you for all your wonderful work 🙏
Love how I got an ad for the church while watching this 😂
I get those too lol they are targeting us heathens
Me too😂
And me
Same
Mark saved me from the harassment. Despite my demands they would not stop knocking on my door. One lady said I am on the records and I don't have the authority to ask them to leave me and my wife alone. The very next day I went to Mark. I guess they read my demands in church because now they cross the street while walking past my house. I don't want to be a dic neighbor but they force you into it. Mark got the waiting period waved so I didn't have to live through the shaming period. I'm very grateful for the work Mark does. Thank you!
Exact same here. Have not been to this church 35 years yet they kept doing it
Two great men right here! Much gratitude for both!
This is such a great show. It just shows me how crazy the LDS corporation is.
Wouldn't surprise me if the church started going through an attorney for the resignations because it was upsetting the people in the membership office.
Yep, I got my info about lds church false hood from the book mormon corporate empire 1985, it's a easy read, and straight forward information 👍.
Marc - you are so awesome and thank you for your work with Quit Mormon. It made my life so much easier! I was one of your first followers and loved your service!
What a great episode! I left through QuitoMormon a couple of years ago. I am so grateful for the work you do.
Thank you Mark for processing my resignation from the Mormon Church! What a happy day when I got the letter saying I was officially removed from the LDS Church!!!
Thank you Mark for helping me with my resignation two years ago. I had tried on my own and was ignored and continually stalked for years. It has been such a relief to be finally left in peace.
QuitMormon submitted my resignation on Jan 16, and we are still waiting on the confirmation! I cannot wait for the relief of the confirmation! Wish the one true church would just let people leave easier 🤦🏼♀️ Very grateful to you both.
They are still sending resignation Confirmation letters. We got our tonight. Like the final one , not the acknowledgement one. We are officially on paper OUT!
Did you go through the website or send it on your own though?
I left the Church in the late 1970’s and submitted my resignation letter in 1978. The convened a Bishop’s Court in 1980 and I went there to discuss my reason for leaving, Christianity never left the earth, Joseph Smith was absolutely not a prophet, and the Mormons are polytheistic. Those were my three reasons. The Bishop’s Court listen and then told me they are going to excommunicate me. They told me if I ever changed my mind, I would be welcomed back with open arms. There was no resigning in that day, they had to drag you through the mud, and they announced it in Church (this I was told, true or not, I’m not sure). I said, thank you regardless of the person cost or humiliation. I left, happier than ever!
I could have my facts wrong so please feel free to correct - i think before the 1980's the only way out of the church was excommunication. The church offered no way for resignation short of that. I recall reading there was a lawsuit filed sometime in the early 80's and it forced the church to actually provide a way for resignation without the indignity of a "court of love." But they still make you walk thr gauntlet. And let's never forget: the church is like the hotel California. You can check in any time you like, but you can NEVER leave. You are on permanent file with them. Resignation accomplishes getting you off the public contact list.
I am in admiration of your courage and conviction! Thank you for paving the way for the rest of us.
I had to resubmit the notarization when that happened, but I'm so glad I had that option. Thank you, Mark!
I have used Mark's services and I had no problems. I received confirmation of my resignation in September of 2016. Thank you, Mark. Glad to finally find out who you are.
Thank you for having Mark on this episode! I will always be greatful for his service that has impacted so many lives- even in small town Wyoming I have met three different people that had used Quitmormon.
I resigned from church records via you. Thank you SO much. Xxxx
Mark. You are truly a bad ass. I appreciate all you have done and currently do. Thanks for helping my wife and I resign.
Awesome! I resigned using Quit Mormon. Fantastic service!
Thank you Mark Naugle! You've helped two of my children to leave MORMONISM
I left through quitmormon myself living in the UK and I am grateful to Mark for his service. And I am grateful to John because when I left the church I had no one to talk to about it and help me digest it. Mormon Stories was a massive help.
Mark provides a valuable service for those who have discovered the truth about Mormonism. Thank you mark for assisting so many, and thanks John for this interesting insight 💖
Mark, thanks so much for your work. You have helped a lot of people free themselves from the tyranny of the church.
9:17 “immediate relief” was exactly how I felt too Mark. so many years thinking it was weird and ‘peculiar’ and now there is irrefutable evidence that none of it was real. I just wish I had realized this back when I was 13 or so and not after 4 decades of being Mormon
I was disappointed. I had believed that religion to be true, I wanted it to be true... and I was disappointed that people had lied to me (intentionally or accidentally). I spent at least a year being disappointed at each new realization. It's only now years and years later once I've gotten over all that that I think "thank hgoodness I'm not wasting time on that crap anymore!" It didn't feel like crap at the time. I was genuinely sad and grieving.
@@carlotta4th I completely understand how many people felt that way. I cant imagine the anger and disappointment. Hope life is much better the further you get away from your break up with the church
I didn’t have any clue that I would get the immediate sense of relief and joy upon notarizing my QuitMormon forms. I had already been out mentally and openly for years but not officially. Mark is so right that submitting this resignation letter feels like a huge emotional accomplishment. Truly liberating.
@@hal8683 AMEN & AMEN!!
I resigned in 2003 because I didn't want the Q15 from claiming me in their stats. But as Mark and John pointed out, the next tithing settlement my dad noticed on the list of BIC (born in the covenant) children. I was thrilled when I received my confirmation letter and still have it today. Mark spending all this time helping members resign shows him to a very helpful and patient person.
Oh my I didn’t realize that my dad could see that I resigned! I just went to get my letter notarized today but I haven’t sent it in yet. He’s in his late 80’s and my mom has already passed away. I want to resign 100% but I don’t want to be treated any differently once it’s official. They know I’m inactive of course and have been for years but I don’t want his heart broken. Out of us seven children my brother was the one who was super vocal about leaving but I have kept everything a secret and we don’t talk about it. I know it’s what I need to do of course, but I swear the church makes this so difficult 😣 it’s invasion of privacy in my opinion. I should be able to leave and have the option of nobody else knowing about it!
Thanks for helping me with my resignation process. I am from Brazil and officially left the church in 31.07.2018.... Yay!!!!!!
When I resigned after a whole drama and my having to contact a lawyer and threatening a restraining order (or the Aussie equivalent), I was sent the pamphlet. It told me all of my blessings etc. had been revoked. And then there was a great disturbance in the Mormon-verse. 😂
The LGBT policy was the last straw for me. Living in Salt Lake City seeing teens living on the streets homeless during the winter because they came out as gay and their parents threw them out of the house. Christ like my ass. I am so grateful to have found Mark, and he got me, my husband and our son out for the last time (we had previously resigned 20 years earlier, went back through the grueling process to be re-baptized) in February 2017 and we have not looked back. Thank you Mark, for what you do, and to John for what you do! I am not surprised at all that the church has made it harder to do the resignations. They feel threatened. GOOD!!!
Mark processed my resignation in 2015 after the infamous November policy was released. It was an important part of my healing process along my journey to self-acceptance. I’m so grateful to him for that! 🏳️🌈❤️🏳️⚧️
Yay! so happy for you!
@@jujubeethatsme thank you!
John this interview was GREAT!!! Mark is so instrumental in helping people resign from the church and I believe this interview will continue to help thousands as we move forward with this effort. Thank you for guiding Mark with all the right questions. It really was beneficial to the interview's importance.
wow. I haven’t resigned yet (I delayed for some years because I had some BYU transcripts in limbo) but I hadn’t paid attention to how much of a hassle they’ve made it. Thanks Mark for working to streamline this for so many people.
Well when the time comes you know what to do. 🍻❤️
I don't think the hassle is recent: no mention yet of the 30-day "cooling off" period when I resigned in the late 90's. (I was *very* chill in my exit interview - I think the bishop/counselor was rather off-put.)
Thanks mark! Was able to use your service to resign in 2015.
It's so weird to listen to this 5 years after leaving. Seems like a weird, unbelievable world that I've forgotten about the nuance of how the belief impacts everything.
Mark Naugle, thank you so much for your commitment to this amazing service. You have helped almost 100,000 Mormons leave with dignity and self respect. I haven’t attended in over a decade but when I heard about you here on this channel a few years ago I took action and signed up. You’re doing very important work and thanks again🍻🍻👊👊And please don’t feel obligated to continue of you can’t take it anymore... I hope you’ll be able to retire at some point haha. Take care
Editing as I go... man I’d love to see you get a marketing volunteer. Have a “support our marketing!” Donation button. Billboards all over Utah would be amazing 😂
I resigned using quitmormon but my mom still found out eventually. My uncle who is a bishop looked up my name in the records and saw it was missing and called my mom and told her. It was an awkward conversation...
@@brycepardoe658 I was getting married and considering having my uncle do it because he is a bishop but apparently if a bishop marries somebody (even if it’s not a temple marriage) he has to get permission from my assigned bishop?? So he looked up who my bishop would be (without me having any clue about this rule) and saw that he couldn’t find me in the database.
@@brycepardoe658 it wasn’t all that bad to be honest. I am lucky to have great parents who are very understanding. I had already told them that I didn’t believe in it but this was news to them that I actually removed my records. I could tell she was saddened by it but respected my ability to choose for myself.
I know many other people are not as lucky as I am in this kind of situation.
@@jaronhall If you use a Mormon bishop you are signaling to them that you might still be interested. I would steer clear of Mormon anything unless you plan to become active one day.
Great interview. Kind of makes me want to finally have my records removed.
Jacob, I resigned my membership almost 25 years ago. I still feel a sigh of relief and a smile in my lightened heart whenever i think of my resignation. Ps. I did get the threatening letter of the ruination of my eternal salvation;which made me angry at the time but makes me chuckle now. Honor your process.
I’m a retired paralegal and just began recovering from Mormonism. I’m very interested in help resigning. My mental health is my priority
I’d be interested in volunteering some time as a retired paralegal, no task is too small, I need to go thru this now and I hope I can help the cause after I’m fully out
Don't forget the thousands outside of the USA. I wonder if anyone in South Africa 🇿🇦 knows the escape rate here? Good man Mark. I left in my early 70's. Happy. I did go through those stages of grief.
Thank you Mark Naugle!!! I am So thankful for you and your work!
dying at "what's the blessing where they tell you the future??" I was mormon until I was 25 and I am starting to forget the stupid terminology, too. It makes me feel one step closer to being a normal person outside of the mormon church hahah
Lmao that was seriously hilarious.
Patriarch blessing. Usually given to teens. I had mine, made no sense, was a lot like the tarot card or crystal ball things. 🤦♀️
I'm so grateful QuitMormon.com helped me get out of the cult and changed my charity on amazonsmile to it!! Every time I make a purchase on amazonsmile, QuitMormon.com gets a little piece!! ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for helping me resign
Thank you for the service that you do for Mormons leaving the church
It's interesting that they have such a problem with duplicates when there are so many duplicate names being used at the temples. Years ago I was doing family history and found that my great grand mother (who we did work for in LA) had also been endowed somewhere in South America
So true! They are really spinning their wheels in the temple. At their current rate, it will take an enormous amount of time to process all the names already on file. That is why they shortened the endowment ceremony.
Happens all the time too. Not exactly faith-promoting.
Glad to be numbered among the many confirmations in mark’s storage unit!
Thank you so much Mark! I promise to donate when I get a job and can afford it!
Just keep in mind that the church WANTS people to send resignations in directly. Going through quitmormon leaves a statistical count of resignations in the public domain. This is why the church throws hurdles at quitmormon but responds quickly to direct resignations.
A catch 22..if it was easy they would do it directly
It took a restraining order to keep the local Mormon church from trespassing onto our property, and I have never been a Mormon! It wasn’t until one or them was on the ground being detained by the Sheriffs dept that he got the point that you have to leave someone alone. I have no clue why they had such a hard on to convert my family.
Wow! Mark. I’m so impressed with what you are doing. Thank you!
A good lawyer is worth their weight in gold.
I enjoyed this interview, and I didn’t know about the records being stored somewhere. Everything that Mark explained was interesting and beneficial for me. Yay, we know how to get help.
Love all you do John! Incredible. Great live! ✌🏻thanks to mark as well.😊
Thanks Mark.
LMAO @ "it's like a calling"
I submitted mine early 2019 and it kept getting delayed. Then I had to submit my ID. I was very okay with submitting that information. Got my notification that my records were removed Jul 2019. It was the most freeing feeling. Thank you Mark and team. You may be removed from Mormon news, but you need to know that you are one of the biggest influences in the exmormon community and many people are forever grateful, including me.
You are awesome Mark! Thank you for all your hard work!
Thank you John and Mark. I have heard of people using Quit Mormon they said it was a pretty quick process. In 2017 when I and my son finally figured the fraud the church is sent our resignation letters in to the church we got our letter telling us the resignation had been accepted about three weeks later. We resigned for closure.
Thank you so much Mark for all that you do!!!
LOL... the blessing you get where they tell you your future” no one’s allowed to call it that but that seems to be what sticks. enjoyed the story!
Why am I so obsessed with Mormon story’s when I have never been affiliated with any religion. I blame rhoslc 😂😂
You are doing great work
As an exJW one can write a letter of disassociation and you are considered apostate and shunned, but the Watchtower refuses to remove your records even when explicitly requested. And in America there is no legal recourse for this. The organization considers the records theirs and claims this is a matter of freedom of religion.
Is there any amount of signatures that will force the church to be better about getting these processed?
When my family was left in the cold because we couldn't pay them and I found out they were sitting on 100 billion dollars and paid the top and who knows CEO salaries of 120K a year it was enough. It's simply a Ponzi scam. I was a college professor and studied these for years. They take the money, you never see it again, it's not disclosed where it's going and you find out they are wineing and dining at the top it's enough. I would suggest anyone leave now like I did and save the rest of your life. They treat you horribly when you don't pay them. What's that ring? NO talks, NO callings and threats of cursings, burning and family separation is simply a Ponzi scheme. A real bad one. Run...Use Mark like I did!! LIVE AGAIN!!!
The case law is there and should be codified in FEDERAL law for fines and bounties collected by the IRS. Making us file a lawsuit in too onerous. It is a blatant civil rights violation
They're not arguing in good faith. So when they create these obstacles, make you go through the law office, and calling you a fraud, implying you're dishonest. It's disgusting
We left the church 5 years ago but never formally resigned until mid-March. We resigned because we don't want our children's names on the local records. We've gotten several letters for the kids because they're on the rolls. The fact that our home is on a map listing our children hasn't technically been a problem, but the potential is there for people to abuse that information. Still waiting...
I’m one of those dreaded pro se’s. I never formally left the Mormon church, mostly because I don't recognize that the church has any actual authority over me.
What is the law on a Mormon member getting their own church records (which is another reason I haven't resigned)? I’d be willing to file my own case if I can't get my records without litigation.
I submitted identical letters to my bishop and stake pres. at the same time. Included name, member number, baptism date. Stated my request to have my name removed from the records of the church. Acknowledge that I understood it would render my baptism, priesthood and other ordinances such as sealing ineffectual. Acknowledge that I understood the only way the reverse this was to be re-baptised. Asked that the normal 30 waiting period be waived. Then I signed and dated it. I received a reply that it had been processed less than 30 later.
❤️❤️❤️ Such an interesting interview!
I'm glad I resigned before they made it harder. Thanks Mark, for the help
This reminds me of Church of Scientology's Fair Game which is done to defectors who get tired of the abuse and leave
I can’t believe that John didn’t laugh at “Thomas S monson got his name removed “. 😂.
John you should host a yearly Ex-Mormon convention!!! A lot of your guests could have their own booth for photos with attendees! You could give the opening non-prayer ;) There could be food vendors of Mormon potatoes, green jello and taffy polls ;)
I think he and the community does... skipped a year for Covid. Hope it’s on the schedule for fall
I’m considering it!!!
Love this video! Great legal advice on with "no fuss!"
I feel like there needs to be a notary network for easy access and to help avoid awkward conversations during the whole process.
I just need to get the notary!
Chase bank offers a free notary, if you happen to bank there? Or check with your bank if otherwise… you might be able to land a free notary. :)
That’s crazy, I am a non practicing Catholic, I know I am still on the books, but no one has ever contacted me, and if I went to the priest at the church I went to, he wouldn’t know if I had or hadn’t been attending services, how do they keep track of so many people?
Mormons are the best example of, "Nice does not equal good. These are not synonymous. Nice people are not good people, and some good people are not nice." This has taken me a long time to learn. But watching House of Cards definitely helped. :P
My husband resigned more than 5 years ago. He received a letter of confirmation within a couple of weeks, no contacts after. It worked.
I sent a signed letter and my temple recommend to mormon records, I received a confirmation letter from them a couple weeks later. Best day ever🤗 this was in Nov 2021. I didn't have it notorized. Copied my letter from net, crossed off the unnecessary stuff, printed my name and signed. I guess my member # was ok.
Love this episode
I got a phone call from the church asking me for details about my brother's address, phone number and personal information when my brother was serving in the Army in Germany. I said I would have to ask him first and the woman became indignant and said something like "But I'm calling from the Church!". I told her "That's the problem" and hung up. They are so full of themselves. They have gotten visibly upset with me at Temple Square numerous times. They can be tone deaf and pushy
Thank you! Thank you!
Wow! It's like the Breaking Bad of confirmation letters. I hope he doesn't have to keep spraying them to keep the bugs at bay
Amazing how accurate you’re describing how us resigned feel. Yes stages of grief fear of blow back losing community kids losing their friends in the neighborhood what is the wife going to say how is she going to react and so on but I know I need to Be an example and do it I know it’s right. Mark describes me to a T
Many thanks from Mike Stewart in the Bush in India.
Oh my goodness! Mark’s fear of Satan as a child totally sounds like my youngest daughter. I was raised atheist/agnostic, but once I had my first daughter I went running toward Christianity and landed as a Seventh Day Adventist. My youngest daughter went to an SDA school for all of elementary and junior high. In second or third grade she developed an obsessive fear of Satan, and Hell. The SDA church also is pretty anti-Catholic, when her Sabbath school class would discuss that it, on more than one occasion, led her to tears. We left the SDA church by the time that daughter we switched to United Church of Christ. That worked for me because I am a fairly left-wing Democrat. We stayed at UCC for about four years. Now, mostly we are pagan,; no dancing naked on the full moon, no sacrificing, we do not belong to a coven.....no tithing, no evangelizing, no guilt for not being good enough.
I log onto your channel once every month or so even though I have never been LDS. Because your channel discusses sex and the LDS church occasionally; I want to address one thing about the SDA church we belonged to. The pastor would discuss his pornography eduction during his sermon! My husband, who did not go to church with us, described it as “euphoric recall”. It was kind of almost like an exhibitionist.
Anyway, I kind of rambled.
Thanks for listening.
Thanks for sharing your story. While I was born to a Mormon family and because of my dad’s job, we moved around a lot. Including a 5 years outside of the US. So as a child, we attended a SDA school because it was the only elementary school that taught in English. That means for years, I had SDA religious class every day. What fascinates me is that there are some similarities between Mormonism and the Adventist. But that makes sense because they were both born during the Second Great Awakening and in the same general area. And I can also say there are some weird church going people who’ve been super obsessed with sex so much, it even came up in sermons or talks!
I ended up the opposite as you; I’m actually an atheist now and can not justify a belief in a deity. But wouldn’t life be boring if we all believed the same thing? ;)
Stay safe.
My concern is that by reaching out and requesting to be removed, they will have our new contact info and want to reach out even more now.
I got them to stop coming when we lived in Ogden by telling them I was Catholic (raised, not a believer) and they could have an hour to tell me about being Mormon if I could have an hour to tell them about being Catholic. They never came back. We lived 2 doors down from a ward church and people would actually cross the street to not walk in front of our house after that. It was funny.
I'm surprised Mark didn't go with Dr. Strange. "I've come to bargain dromamu" sounds like a similar process to dealing with McKonkie.
When I moved no one knew my address. Then I went to visit some people a few years after I had been in that ward and my well meaning former neighbor got my address so they could send me Christmas cards.... never got a card. I did get home teachers with a plant. Then I got endless mailings from the ward. After I wrote the bishop a letter asking them to back off, I got a bag of apricots and half were rotten. It was at that point I wrote the bishop another letter asking to have my name off the books. He sent it to church offices and I then got the letter saying I had thirty days to change my mind or was going to Hell. Thirty days came and went and then my final removal letter. That was about 2007 or 08. No regrets.
What a stand up guy