I appreciate the effort to describe things more concretely in an SiTi way; it helps a ton. I’m getting through your book slowly but surely lol. It’s really more about what cognition and cognitive functions aren’t than what they are-but I’m only 2 chapters in and there’s a lot of confusion to deconstruct. My older brother is an ambivert who easily oscillates between the orientation of his dominant pairing (NeTe -> NiTi) making it difficult to “pin down,” and your system is the only one that can explain in comprehensively. Thanks Harry! Brilliant as always
well said my friend, well said, You the most brilliant person . and hence amplifies this moment of just being happy i found your channel to begin with! thanks always for your intelligence, and etc etc all the other adjectives of your actions to make this flow. You're chill, and so smart. I always loved you, and your way of viewing the world! truly sending mad respect your way!!! don't stop! Also, ISFP here so any insight on any functions, via healthy, unhealthy, loop, grip, best ways to exceed full potential etc. ; would be mas appreciated! thanks CPT! you're a Legend.
I kind of don't really care about great full potential......... to be honest; i was put on immunosuppresants that weren't fully approved yet; and two years prior was diagnosed with MS; so i dealt with Extreme Torcher and Pain; beyond what any human would ever want to deal with.. I Thought I was dying every day. I had to try so hard to just find a way to to calm the pain...........I had to find a way to Accept Death. and I have to admit.... death isn't easy to Accept. there's so much more; and of course, after that drug trial; the Doctors apologized to me; but ..... the physical sense; I remembered fully Um i guess , I ask, anything about ISFPs would greatly appreciated. thanks , to you!
dunno how else to tell other human beings that, when you find peace and meditation, and just finding ways to "avoid the outside world and sound, the NOISE" it truly makes your life easier......... for me, i had to listen to very soothing things on TH-cam on repeat, one of my favorites was from -- Jhené Aiko - Trigger Protection Mantra. ---- it's the one thing that saved me when feeling the incredible torcher and Pain...... i would never want any Human to feel that amount of Pain. It was Death. It was worse than Death. and the Human Psyche ; can only try.
@@hpsr3411I really do feel for you living with extreme physical pain for such a long time I cannot even contemplate. The closest I've came was giving birth when I was induced (they said it would be life painful) & I was left for 2 days without pain relief - so yes only a snippet of what you've been through. Kudos for maintaining such a positive attitude 😊
Harry I always appreciate your videos and insights. Every time to elaborate on CPT I feel like I gain a new way of looking at personality. I’d love to know if plan to do, or have already done, any neurological tests like brain scans to show the more materialistic side of these processes. Enjoy your weekend!
There actually “is a guy” who has looked at brain scans, specifically. Check out Dr Dario Nardi’s the “Neuroscience of Personality” and “decode your personality: go beyond Meyers-Briggs with 64 Brain-Based Subtypes.” These two books are the best starting points if you want “to see some brain scans,” and look at it from that perspective. He was a UCLA anthropology professor, originally. But after his first book took off he became primarily a researcher and an author.
@@debbieramos-galvan104 yes! Nardis work is incredible. I haven’t read his second book yet but I plan to make a video discussing his research soon. The only thing is, I don’t necessarily agree with all of his conclusions. It would be amazing if Harry entered the field too because this study is significantly lacking in the neuro-psychology department. More research is differently needed!
I remember there was a time I wasn't able to understand any of your videos until I use TiSi/SiTi to understand the definition of certain words you use around here and there and now it's quite comfortable 😂
I'm an ENFJ with a highly developed/conscious SiTi parallel network to my TiNi so a share your sentiments somewhat. I've always been able to understand CPT but I simply adore the marriage/synthesis of the abstract with the more granular aspects of CPT. It certainly gives other cognitive persuasions/preferences a way in to understanding the theory. I tend to vet every system with my SiTi as well so it just puts CPT higher up the ranking in my esteem.
I like your comment in your "About me:" section that says we need " a healthier attitude towards type that allows a person to become not who they are told they are, but rather who they want to be". Sometimes I wonder if people are trying to type themselves at too young an age. When I was in my 20s, I was constantly trying to figure who I was, what career I wanted etc. Trying to figure yourself out by "typing" yourself at a young age may put forth a "this is who I'm supposed to be", rather than "this is who I am". I don't know. I did not discover type until I was 32. When I took a test to "type" myself, I had already developed my "preferences" and did not use type to define me. The word "preference" also seems to indicate a choice. I never "chose" to have the preferences I did when I "typed" myself at age 32. It's just what I did, period. I didn't know I was "choosing" Fi to be my dominant function. (I'm an "INFP"). I simply did it, never knowing anything about Fi, Se, Ne, etc. I simply was who I was, and developed as I developed. I've read a good book a long time ago called "Maximize Your Strengths and Minimize your Weaknesses". I've forgotten the Author and if that's the exact title. The main idea was that we all have strengths and weaknesses. If we try to strengthen all of our weaknesses and make them strengths, then our strengths will actually weaken. We can't be all things. It's good to have strengths and weaknesses. The point is to "maximize your strengths"- do more with them, know what they are; and use them effectively. "Minimize your Weaknesses" - know what they are, check to see if they are negatively affecting your life, and if so then figure out how to develop ways to keep your weaknesses from doing that. Otherwise, there is no real need to worry about the fact that you have "weaknesses" that are not as developed as your "strengths". This is a very interesting exercise in trying to use cognitive functions and explain them while looking at the lens or using more precise langue. I just wanted to caution that probably no one can equally develop all functions and shouldn't try. I have difficulty with paying attention to details, for example. That was a weakness that was costing me when I was trying to write Individualized Educational Plans as a Speech Therapist in schools. These documents had to be very precise with specific language and no typing errors. I was very poor with writing them at first, but really worked on ways that I could write them with very few, if no errors. But...outside of my job...I'm still not a "detailed" person. I don't try to be. It doesn't affect me poorly and I really don't care a whit about paying attention to details. My "ISTJ" husband, naturally notices all kinds of details. He likes them. It's a real strength of his, and that's great. But...even if someone told me an "INFP" is typically strong in details. I would just say, really? Well, that's not me. I guess I'm not an "INFP". Who knows? So...yeah. Don't let your "type" define who you are. Just let yourself "be". You are bringing "type" a long way from so "boxed in", Harry. You are "dispel(ing) various myths and oversimplifications of what constitutes personality type". This video particularly is in the range of getting away from oversimplifications. I hope it "takes hold" in the MBTI world and the world in general. This is so needed, especially in the MBTI world.
Just like in all things, it's better to understand the first principles or fundamentals first before diving in, but with popular typology, people are presented with a static, ambiguous, and sometimes misleading result that is generated by a black box system. The fundamentals lay behind the veil. I think this is, to a certain extent, due to mbti separating themselves from Jung and the philosophical origins of his cognitive functions. Fundamentally, before one can describe functions, there needs to be a description of planes or realms that these functions are operating on and within. These planes are identified similarly across many philosophies. Examples: - Sensible realm, consciousness realm, and the realm of forms. - Physical plane, meta-physical plane, and observational plane. - Physical, cognitive, and spiritual. If we first understand our own relationships to these planes on a perceptual basis, a knowledge basis, and an action basis, then we can understand more intuitively our disposition and how fluid and changeable we can be on the level of personality. From there, the introduction of a system of understanding our relations to others' relations to planes, i.e. typology becomes a more useful tool for people. It's funny how broadening the subject and allowing for more variablity/fluidity can create a tool that is more accurate toward an end that is more precise or constrained.
I definitely agree with this, and like you, I didn’t even really figure out what my true MBTI type most likely was until I was also 32! I am 34 now and it’s probably still in the xNxP sphere, most likely being ENTP. Cuz the NP part didn’t really change. But I originally got my judging axis wrong, and sometimes I still really struggle with deciding whether I am more “extroverted” or “introverted?” However, that’s mostly related to “general sociability” and it’s not the best indicator of cognitive extraversion vs introversion. Based on cognition, I still suspect that I most likely have a dominant preference for Extraverted Intuition. Heck since Harry has pointed out “the ambivert space somewhere between ENTP and INTJ,” and I deduced that I am either most likely “the divergent subtype of ENTP” or “the ambivert subtype of ENTP,” it has made me “more sure that ENTP is most likely correct.” My ADHD (literally have it diagnosed,) will still sometimes pull me into “glider territory” due to overreliance on my own Fe, and then on my shadow Te-Se to “wing it” based on what I’ve got to work with. So my inferior Si *really can be a huge struggle point.* But I am utterly and absolutely exhausted after that extreme overreliance on E-Functions. (So much so that I have become a lot more reclusive in my 30s.) So then it makes even more sense why I originally mistyped myself as ENFP and “a conscious Ego stack Fi-user,” because I can’t always recall exact definitions in the most conventional Ti-Si since my short-term “working memory” is “functionally impaired!” Meaning I am also “dipping over into N+T territory” quite often, to keep the ideas in my peripheral “thought space” in a more “vague way” until I have a more concrete reason to use my inferior Si to “more strongly define things.” Getting back to your main point, especially on Reddit, I encounter a lot of kids who are like 14-20 and it’s very obvious to me that their brains aren’t really developed enough to be “locked into one particular type.” All I see is “fluidity” and I think to myself “of course you can’t decide which type you most likely are. Your brain isn’t even finished developing yet! Why rush the process? You are still you, regardless of what your 4 letters are.” Trying to “figure out which type they are” leads them to more uncertainty, and often self-rejection. (These are two things a teenager absolutely does not need more of!) Since they don’t “like” how their most likely types “sound,” based on shallow and superficial type descriptions, they try to adhere to *something else!* They often end up trying to mold themselves into a very cartoonish and 2-dimensional MBTI caricature after “whatever type sounds cool or appealing to them,” rather than discovering who they are, as unique individuals, and what that means for them. That defeats the entire purpose of Jung’s original ideas and designs for the system and it becomes apparent to me that, often, these “free online MBTI tests” do more harm than good!
@@debbieramos-galvan104 Woah! Get out of my head lol You described my experience so well. That's amazing. However, I never saw myself adhering to an ENFP identity, though. I comically misunderstand my own relationship to Fi. The ADHD / glider situation is something I've experienced a lot, but mostly when I was younger. The cheap and quick rewards of the glider interaction style couldn't provide me with enough meaning or motivation. I realized on a subconscious level that I enjoyed relating to people as much or more than I like wowing or impressing them. I believe that was my first hint of my INTJ side kicking in on a conscious level. I also thought I was an INTP for a while, especially after watching the INTP strengths video. I understand more about the voalitional use of Ni than an ENTP should, and I relate to the possibility-bouncing idea that he presented. However, too often in my life, my Ti was hindered by a misjudged Fi, which excludes INTP as a possibility. I'm now beginning to understand myself with the space between the INTJ and the ENTP. I've realized that I've always engaged in INTJ patterns quite a bit, but I didn't have the tools or self-concept to recognize it within myself. I never really related to the INTJ persona, but that side of me is definitely there. It's so strange to think back to past times when I was blind to that side of myself because of how obvious it is to me now. I frequent the INTJ vs. ENTP video. I found Harry's discussion of divergent auxiliary Ti and Te to be the best description of my experience in life. Since we are so similar, you might want to consider the INTJ/ENTP approach for yourself. As an ADHD human and a Ne-nut to my own detriment, I find (what I believe to be) the Ni-Fi-Ti dip to be very peaceful and a reward in itself.
It's always great when you use your current thoughts and actions to better describe the functions in action. That way we get to see the practical side of things. 😊 It really helps us to analyze it better whenever we're trying to understand someone else or even ourselves. I got the impression I now can apply some of it to better understand my family members and perhaps even their personality types. You're getting even better at explaining your content. Great video!🎉
This is good, I know as an ISTP I sit very far on the INFP side. I often find myself sitting in that intense resonating chamber then trying to figure it out. I agree that a lot of types, especially Fi/Ti doms are more in between those functions than it's made out to be. And that for thinking doms there's a lot more emphasis on the collective/other people, even though it's more an internal relational process than an overt social one.
Thank you so much 😊 This is very helpful! SiTi is definitely a struggle for me~ Edit: I feel like the space in between is what makes typing so hard , but at the same time it just goes to show everyone is unique, what I tend to say often ;)
I started studying (considering my personal experiences) how the in-between works for me and trying to sort out what both sides of my brain work like when I go more to one side than the other. Because, I am a lateral thinker and as such, I actually am a lot of different types, based on circumtance. Yet, for the sake of stress relief, I do have to kind of power down to one side or the other. Today, I believe I am INTJ and ESFP. Which are said to be very like ENTP (also ISTP) and INFJ, respectively; which I often test as. Because, as I have continually told people when they ask how I am, I am dichotomous (at best). I am a dichotomous, theatrical, strategist who deeply needs to be left alone to think, or a wild distraction from thinking. INFP, ISFJ, ENFJ - I have been perceived as, bot only at times of great need. INFJ, ESTP, ENTP, ISFP more often but most of the time I am either thinking , researching, reading or singing weird songs and dancing about, painting and drawing and making up stories. The pictures Michael Pierce presents on ESFP of INTJ and ESFP together accurately represent me, when both types are taken as a whole person. And, also, it makes sense with the theory that people with higher I.Q.s use more of their brain. I used to test off the charts on I.Q. and I was also very deeply logical /pragmatic and artistic/feeling. Then, I got seriously traumatized and quit being deeply any of those and my I.Q. went down. It's still very high, just not the same.
May i ask, where can i find the Michael Pierce pictures of the types presented together that you mentioned? Just curious, cause i like the picture-esque representation of the types and how certain people imagine the types (or the way types perceive the world etc). I for sure have my own (which are coloured by my own experiences, ofc)
Hi Harry, it's me again xD Errrr I have a question, pertaining to the idea of the 'External Medium' which you often cite when differentiating reactivity from proactivity. Basically, how does Technology/mobile devices/compulsive internet usage influencd the degree of engagement with an external medium? Just an interesting question I thought of xD Cheers
Hey Harry! Cheers for a new cool video. Got a question: in previous videos youve mentioned that FeNe doms tend to use comparatively low-risks strategies for Fe. So, does this applies to TeNe doms? Also, would you consider (Fe/Te)Se less risk aversive than the (Te/Fe)Ne doms? As always, kudos to you man!
Much obliged! I'd say the TeNe adage "if it's not broken don't try to fix it" sums it up nicely. I have found TeSe and FeSe to be more risk taking on the macro (Ne) level!
@@CognitivePersonality Interesting detail! Is there any tendency in CPT states that gateway stack is lil more risky/creative than the main convergent stack? Like little more risky TeNe of ENFJ, for example. Kudos
@@SashaP-f7khi ENFJ here please ignore the username which is used for alternate purposes lol. I don't know if Harry would agree but as for the ENFJ when an Ni vision is locked in place it's almost compulsive hence why you might see an unrelenting TeNe in service of the Ni goal. I've found that gateway TeNe types (ESTJs) TeNe tends to be the goal in & of itself without an undulating Ni pushing it forward thus it can be more risk averse. I think a good example of an ENFJ being really risk taking in service of an Ni objective was Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya who despite real direct threats to her life continued to report on the war in Chechnya which eventually cost her her life. Of course most ENFJs don't reach such lofty heights or goals. I was originally a divergent TiNi subtype when typed by Harry and I have to say I think when you scale up introversion the type generally becomes more risk averse as they're quite happy just seeing how things pan out - this is less so since I've moved more into a default network. Also as ENFJs are a highly strategic type (probably the most strategic type id say anyway) they can afford to take a lot of calculated risks as they tend to have good foresight of what consequences will lead to said actions - ie bringing their Ni into alignment with Ti. People of course (who could stand in the way) are naturally a variable that isn't as easily accounted for albeit as the ENFJ already as TiNi- systems in place to inform their FeSe convergence this leads to adeptness at predicting how people are likely to react (of course it's not a perfect science but FeSe convergence can account for these changing variables as they chart the course). At least for me, I'm very rarely surprised by someone's reactions to what I say/do. I also have a highly active NeFe- network which means I'm pretty good at predicting behaviour on a more macro scale. I guess to the outside world it looks like we're risk takers albeit in reality we rarely make a move that isn't quite heavily calculated. I'd imagine that the INFJ is even more perceptive at picking up on them social nuances, which we account for, on account of SeFe being divergent & Fe acting at the behest of a Se agenda. Harry please correct me if I'm wrong. With ENTJs I think the sheer force of their FiNi- pushing them forward gives them a natural predisposition towards risk taking.
This helps illustrate why the agency position is less flexible. A function's supporting element in a way defines it more so than the dominant, as the dominant is the Gateway for flexion. SeTe into NeTe, it's clear Te is necessary as the defining element. This isn't to assert a gateway, but in the end it will be easier to flex SeTe twords NeTe than it is to flex SeTe into SeFe?
@@CognitivePersonality Odd question here, love your content. Why would we see something like Ne, for example, as in any way related to the physical world? Wouldn’t the dilation, specific fixation and then broadening of physical perspective be completely within Se, due to its role in unorganized physical reaction? Se and Ne are 2 entirely different programs, Ne being the ideation for example you gave (but what if we look at the table? What if we look at the entire room, how am I perceiving it/how could it be perceived different?) and Se physically taking in information. I’m not sure how the actual physical act of “zooming out” in terms of sight is related to Ne - only the mental ideation and shifting of mental perspective. Perhaps I’m wrong. Could you educate me?
@@ethanlynch8275 Good question! One of the reasons Ne has to be considered physical is because it's seldom used to it's fullest extreme and is therefore usually Se-ish. Secondly just because it's non semantic doesn't mean it's non physical. Movement, trajectories, contingencies are all extremely physical as they pertain to the physical relationships within and between spaces. So I would place context as spatial and therefore physical
Thanks for the video, I finally understand where my problem lies. I believe I'm an INTP, but it appears I've been using NeXe and NiXi simultaneously, which doesn't make sense.
Can the authority function truly take a dominant position? for example an ISTJ would prefer to use ESTJ functions when starting an interaction, but they will be gradually pulled into an ENFP network due to being an irrational type. Te in this case feels like a filter, something that ensures the ISTJ sounds logical. However, it can only communicate a small portion of Si-Fi.
So this is more where network theory comes in - ISTJ actually accesses ENTJ by flipping their authority (more of the theory behind that in network video on channel), hence the deep similarity between those two types. ESTJ is possible via the lens of this video but hyper convergent Ne for an Ne hyper divergent type is *tough*
Hello, do you think extroverts mistype a lot as introverts? I feel like I see this online or is it stereotypes ? After seeing this video I feel like they are more ambivert .
When Harry refers to ambiversion here he's referring to cognitive ambiversion, if I'm understanding you correctly. In CPT/Jungian typology E & I are about how we take in information predominantly, whether reactively or proactively NOT how social one is. I'm a cognitive ENFJ and Harry has typed me as more of a social ambivert, thus E or I doesn't define how social one is. I know plenty of INTPs for example that are more outgoing than myself and this will be contingent up aspects of personality superfluous to cognition. However on the note of mistyping, I find the biggest mistype in terms of cognition as it refers to E & I is ESFPs mistyping as INFJ for some bizarre reason, especially the divergent subtype variety. It's worth noting I'm a divergent ENFJ as it currently stands (I lean into the TiNi pairing) and thus I spend a lot of time internally theorising which would be classed as an introverted activity. There's no clear delineation on whether those with an E or I preference are therefore more socially extroverted or introverted. For example, as it refers to my own type, in a generalistic sense, we tend to be ambiverted at best owing to the refined and specific lense of FeSe compared to our ESFJ counterparts. If you put us in a social situation where parameters have yet to be established we'll often be one of the quietest in the group. I think it's very difficult to delineate online who is more socially extroverted as by virtue of engaging online your participating in a reactive/extroverted medium irrespective of your type. Harry mentioned the INFJ/ENFP ambiverted type Vs a person who's preferences lean more towards INFJ; you never know the ambivert could be less socially extroverted than the INFJ. In short, a type code/preferences won't determine how social you are to any significant degree. Hey my fiancé is an ESFP and he's pretty socially introverted.
I'd be careful about assuming dips and temporary network shifts as part of an "ambiverted" default personality. I'm skeptical thatan intp with 8th slot Fi could consiously shift Fi into the divergent auxillary or authority status for any extended length of time. So i still think intp->enfp shift is really more of a divergent fuxation or concious dissent rather than a relatively static ambiv. default network.
That's a good one! SiFi is 'these are my firm boundaries and convictions' and NiFi is more like 'this is my destiny/archetype', so a space in between would be a more gentle demeanour than SiFi and a more flexible archetype than NiFi.
Imo it would be a series of actions in which you oscillate between feeling a specific emotional reaction versus feeling a mood that spans a larger time frame. An emotional reaction or the pure effect a moment has on your emotional circuitry is more SiFi+, while detaching yourself from the flow of time to feel your mood is more nifi+. The transition from a mood to an attachment to sequential emotional reactions is the space in between. The processing before getting a conclusion is the space between SiFi+ versus NiFi+.
@@Daniel-wf5ht That's good! I would also distinguish between FiSi and FiNi which are more about emotionality and SiFi/NiFi is often more about boundaries and directionality due to the agency position of Fi therein. Definitely both though rather than either/or!
@@CognitivePersonality So, having strong convictions and boundaries about many things in life (politics, religion, relationships) but not a clear vision about what your destiny/purpose in life and what archetype fits you best is closer to SiFi rather NiFi, right?
where does a fluid personality system such as CPT sit in the future of personality theory? Big 5 plays a lead role in psychology research and understanding yourself more scientifically. MBTI/Typology is used to understand yourself and differences in others in a more simple holistic way. Both great tools for different purposes and I am curious where these hybrid theories will fit in the future. will they help break new ground or be rejected as not scientific enough or simple enough to contribute anything significant over the existing models.
I'm hoping CPT will in the future help to bridge the gap, as it measures cognition on a spectrum which is more science friendly and baked things down to hard mechanistic processes, all the while diving deeper into the holistic by allowing these processes to interact with each other dynamically
Great I feel the big5 covers more or less everything apart from the way we use traits/functions. For example it can highlight if you are intuitive (high openness) but dosent explain how you personally use this trait (ne v ni) we can clearly see people have preferences for cognitive functions but measuring it on a scientific model like the big5 seems to be extremely difficult.
I appreciate the effort to describe things more concretely in an SiTi way; it helps a ton. I’m getting through your book slowly but surely lol. It’s really more about what cognition and cognitive functions aren’t than what they are-but I’m only 2 chapters in and there’s a lot of confusion to deconstruct. My older brother is an ambivert who easily oscillates between the orientation of his dominant pairing (NeTe -> NiTi) making it difficult to “pin down,” and your system is the only one that can explain in comprehensively. Thanks Harry! Brilliant as always
Love it when you talk fluidity, as very few things are truly static. Thanks.
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**Grabs dictionary**
Alright, on with the video.
Haha same 😂
well said my friend, well said, You the most brilliant person . and hence amplifies this moment of just being happy i found your channel to begin with! thanks always for your intelligence, and etc etc all the other adjectives of your actions to make this flow. You're chill, and so smart. I always loved you, and your way of viewing the world! truly sending mad respect your way!!! don't stop! Also, ISFP here so any insight on any functions, via healthy, unhealthy, loop, grip, best ways to exceed full potential etc. ; would be mas appreciated! thanks CPT! you're a Legend.
I kind of don't really care about great full potential......... to be honest; i was put on immunosuppresants that weren't fully approved yet; and two years prior was diagnosed with MS; so i dealt with Extreme Torcher and Pain; beyond what any human would ever want to deal with.. I Thought I was dying every day. I had to try so hard to just find a way to to calm the pain...........I had to find a way to Accept Death. and I have to admit.... death isn't easy to Accept. there's so much more; and of course, after that drug trial; the Doctors apologized to me; but ..... the physical sense; I remembered fully
Um i guess , I ask, anything about ISFPs would greatly appreciated. thanks , to you!
dunno how else to tell other human beings that, when you find peace and meditation, and just finding ways to "avoid the outside world and sound, the NOISE" it truly makes your life easier......... for me, i had to listen to very soothing things on TH-cam on repeat, one of my favorites was from -- Jhené Aiko - Trigger Protection Mantra. ---- it's the one thing that saved me when feeling the incredible torcher and Pain...... i would never want any Human to feel that amount of Pain. It was Death. It was worse than Death. and the Human Psyche ; can only try.
@@hpsr3411I really do feel for you living with extreme physical pain for such a long time I cannot even contemplate. The closest I've came was giving birth when I was induced (they said it would be life painful) & I was left for 2 days without pain relief - so yes only a snippet of what you've been through. Kudos for maintaining such a positive attitude 😊
Harry I always appreciate your videos and insights. Every time to elaborate on CPT I feel like I gain a new way of looking at personality. I’d love to know if plan to do, or have already done, any neurological tests like brain scans to show the more materialistic side of these processes. Enjoy your weekend!
There actually “is a guy” who has looked at brain scans, specifically.
Check out Dr Dario Nardi’s the “Neuroscience of Personality” and “decode your personality: go beyond Meyers-Briggs with 64 Brain-Based Subtypes.”
These two books are the best starting points if you want “to see some brain scans,” and look at it from that perspective.
He was a UCLA anthropology professor, originally. But after his first book took off he became primarily a researcher and an author.
@@debbieramos-galvan104 yes! Nardis work is incredible. I haven’t read his second book yet but I plan to make a video discussing his research soon. The only thing is, I don’t necessarily agree with all of his conclusions. It would be amazing if Harry entered the field too because this study is significantly lacking in the neuro-psychology department. More research is differently needed!
I remember there was a time I wasn't able to understand any of your videos until I use TiSi/SiTi to understand the definition of certain words you use around here and there and now it's quite comfortable 😂
I'm an ENFJ with a highly developed/conscious SiTi parallel network to my TiNi so a share your sentiments somewhat. I've always been able to understand CPT but I simply adore the marriage/synthesis of the abstract with the more granular aspects of CPT. It certainly gives other cognitive persuasions/preferences a way in to understanding the theory. I tend to vet every system with my SiTi as well so it just puts CPT higher up the ranking in my esteem.
I like your comment in your "About me:" section that says we need " a healthier attitude towards type that allows a person to become not who they are told they are, but rather who they want to be". Sometimes I wonder if people are trying to type themselves at too young an age. When I was in my 20s, I was constantly trying to figure who I was, what career I wanted etc. Trying to figure yourself out by "typing" yourself at a young age may put forth a "this is who I'm supposed to be", rather than "this is who I am".
I don't know. I did not discover type until I was 32. When I took a test to "type" myself, I had already developed my "preferences" and did not use type to define me. The word "preference" also seems to indicate a choice. I never "chose" to have the preferences I did when I "typed" myself at age 32. It's just what I did, period. I didn't know I was "choosing" Fi to be my dominant function. (I'm an "INFP"). I simply did it, never knowing anything about Fi, Se, Ne, etc. I simply was who I was, and developed as I developed.
I've read a good book a long time ago called "Maximize Your Strengths and Minimize your Weaknesses". I've forgotten the Author and if that's the exact title. The main idea was that we all have strengths and weaknesses. If we try to strengthen all of our weaknesses and make them strengths, then our strengths will actually weaken. We can't be all things. It's good to have strengths and weaknesses. The point is to "maximize your strengths"- do more with them, know what they are; and use them effectively. "Minimize your Weaknesses" - know what they are, check to see if they are negatively affecting your life, and if so then figure out how to develop ways to keep your weaknesses from doing that. Otherwise, there is no real need to worry about the fact that you have "weaknesses" that are not as developed as your "strengths".
This is a very interesting exercise in trying to use cognitive functions and explain them while looking at the lens or using more precise langue. I just wanted to caution that probably no one can equally develop all functions and shouldn't try. I have difficulty with paying attention to details, for example. That was a weakness that was costing me when I was trying to write Individualized Educational Plans as a Speech Therapist in schools. These documents had to be very precise with specific language and no typing errors. I was very poor with writing them at first, but really worked on ways that I could write them with very few, if no errors. But...outside of my job...I'm still not a "detailed" person. I don't try to be. It doesn't affect me poorly and I really don't care a whit about paying attention to details. My "ISTJ" husband, naturally notices all kinds of details. He likes them. It's a real strength of his, and that's great. But...even if someone told me an "INFP" is typically strong in details. I would just say, really? Well, that's not me. I guess I'm not an "INFP". Who knows? So...yeah. Don't let your "type" define who you are. Just let yourself "be".
You are bringing "type" a long way from so "boxed in", Harry. You are "dispel(ing) various myths and oversimplifications of what constitutes personality type". This video particularly is in the range of getting away from oversimplifications. I hope it "takes hold" in the MBTI world and the world in general. This is so needed, especially in the MBTI world.
Just like in all things, it's better to understand the first principles or fundamentals first before diving in, but with popular typology, people are presented with a static, ambiguous, and sometimes misleading result that is generated by a black box system. The fundamentals lay behind the veil.
I think this is, to a certain extent, due to mbti separating themselves from Jung and the philosophical origins of his cognitive functions.
Fundamentally, before one can describe functions, there needs to be a description of planes or realms that these functions are operating on and within. These planes are identified similarly across many philosophies. Examples:
- Sensible realm, consciousness realm, and the realm of forms.
- Physical plane, meta-physical plane, and observational plane.
- Physical, cognitive, and spiritual.
If we first understand our own relationships to these planes on a perceptual basis, a knowledge basis, and an action basis, then we can understand more intuitively our disposition and how fluid and changeable we can be on the level of personality. From there, the introduction of a system of understanding our relations to others' relations to planes, i.e. typology becomes a more useful tool for people.
It's funny how broadening the subject and allowing for more variablity/fluidity can create a tool that is more accurate toward an end that is more precise or constrained.
I definitely agree with this, and like you, I didn’t even really figure out what my true MBTI type most likely was until I was also 32!
I am 34 now and it’s probably still in the xNxP sphere, most likely being ENTP.
Cuz the NP part didn’t really change. But I originally got my judging axis wrong, and sometimes I still really struggle with deciding whether I am more “extroverted” or “introverted?”
However, that’s mostly related to “general sociability” and it’s not the best indicator of cognitive extraversion vs introversion.
Based on cognition, I still suspect that I most likely have a dominant preference for Extraverted Intuition.
Heck since Harry has pointed out “the ambivert space somewhere between ENTP and INTJ,” and I deduced that I am either most likely “the divergent subtype of ENTP” or “the ambivert subtype of ENTP,” it has made me “more sure that ENTP is most likely correct.”
My ADHD (literally have it diagnosed,) will still sometimes pull me into “glider territory” due to overreliance on my own Fe, and then on my shadow Te-Se to “wing it” based on what I’ve got to work with.
So my inferior Si *really can be a huge struggle point.* But I am utterly and absolutely exhausted after that extreme overreliance on E-Functions. (So much so that I have become a lot more reclusive in my 30s.)
So then it makes even more sense why I originally mistyped myself as ENFP and “a conscious Ego stack Fi-user,” because I can’t always recall exact definitions in the most conventional Ti-Si since my short-term “working memory” is “functionally impaired!”
Meaning I am also “dipping over into N+T territory” quite often, to keep the ideas in my peripheral “thought space” in a more “vague way” until I have a more concrete reason to use my inferior Si to “more strongly define things.”
Getting back to your main point, especially on Reddit, I encounter a lot of kids who are like 14-20 and it’s very obvious to me that their brains aren’t really developed enough to be “locked into one particular type.”
All I see is “fluidity” and I think to myself “of course you can’t decide which type you most likely are. Your brain isn’t even finished developing yet! Why rush the process? You are still you, regardless of what your 4 letters are.”
Trying to “figure out which type they are” leads them to more uncertainty, and often self-rejection. (These are two things a teenager absolutely does not need more of!)
Since they don’t “like” how their most likely types “sound,” based on shallow and superficial type descriptions, they try to adhere to *something else!*
They often end up trying to mold themselves into a very cartoonish and 2-dimensional MBTI caricature after “whatever type sounds cool or appealing to them,” rather than discovering who they are, as unique individuals, and what that means for them.
That defeats the entire purpose of Jung’s original ideas and designs for the system and it becomes apparent to me that, often, these “free online MBTI tests” do more harm than good!
@@debbieramos-galvan104 Woah! Get out of my head lol You described my experience so well. That's amazing.
However, I never saw myself adhering to an ENFP identity, though. I comically misunderstand my own relationship to Fi.
The ADHD / glider situation is something I've experienced a lot, but mostly when I was younger. The cheap and quick rewards of the glider interaction style couldn't provide me with enough meaning or motivation. I realized on a subconscious level that I enjoyed relating to people as much or more than I like wowing or impressing them. I believe that was my first hint of my INTJ side kicking in on a conscious level.
I also thought I was an INTP for a while, especially after watching the INTP strengths video. I understand more about the voalitional use of Ni than an ENTP should, and I relate to the possibility-bouncing idea that he presented. However, too often in my life, my Ti was hindered by a misjudged Fi, which excludes INTP as a possibility.
I'm now beginning to understand myself with the space between the INTJ and the ENTP. I've realized that I've always engaged in INTJ patterns quite a bit, but I didn't have the tools or self-concept to recognize it within myself. I never really related to the INTJ persona, but that side of me is definitely there. It's so strange to think back to past times when I was blind to that side of myself because of how obvious it is to me now. I frequent the INTJ vs. ENTP video. I found Harry's discussion of divergent auxiliary Ti and Te to be the best description of my experience in life. Since we are so similar, you might want to consider the INTJ/ENTP approach for yourself. As an ADHD human and a Ne-nut to my own detriment, I find (what I believe to be) the Ni-Fi-Ti dip to be very peaceful and a reward in itself.
Great video Harry as always! I'm really looking forward to see more CPT videos in the future :)
It's always great when you use your current thoughts and actions to better describe the functions in action. That way we get to see the practical side of things. 😊
It really helps us to analyze it better whenever we're trying to understand someone else or even ourselves.
I got the impression I now can apply some of it to better understand my family members and perhaps even their personality types.
You're getting even better at explaining your content. Great video!🎉
This is good, I know as an ISTP I sit very far on the INFP side. I often find myself sitting in that intense resonating chamber then trying to figure it out. I agree that a lot of types, especially Fi/Ti doms are more in between those functions than it's made out to be. And that for thinking doms there's a lot more emphasis on the collective/other people, even though it's more an internal relational process than an overt social one.
Bingo.
Thank you so much 😊 This is very helpful! SiTi is definitely a struggle for me~
Edit: I feel like the space in between is what makes typing so hard , but at the same time it just goes to show everyone is unique, what I tend to say often ;)
I started studying (considering my personal experiences) how the in-between works for me and trying to sort out what both sides of my brain work like when I go more to one side than the other. Because, I am a lateral thinker and as such, I actually am a lot of different types, based on circumtance. Yet, for the sake of stress relief, I do have to kind of power down to one side or the other. Today, I believe I am INTJ and ESFP. Which are said to be very like ENTP (also ISTP) and INFJ, respectively; which I often test as. Because, as I have continually told people when they ask how I am, I am dichotomous (at best). I am a dichotomous, theatrical, strategist who deeply needs to be left alone to think, or a wild distraction from thinking. INFP, ISFJ, ENFJ - I have been perceived as, bot only at times of great need. INFJ, ESTP, ENTP, ISFP more often but most of the time I am either thinking , researching, reading or singing weird songs and dancing about, painting and drawing and making up stories. The pictures Michael Pierce presents on ESFP of INTJ and ESFP together accurately represent me, when both types are taken as a whole person. And, also, it makes sense with the theory that people with higher I.Q.s use more of their brain. I used to test off the charts on I.Q. and I was also very deeply logical /pragmatic and artistic/feeling. Then, I got seriously traumatized and quit being deeply any of those and my I.Q. went down. It's still very high, just not the same.
May i ask, where can i find the Michael Pierce pictures of the types presented together that you mentioned? Just curious, cause i like the picture-esque representation of the types and how certain people imagine the types (or the way types perceive the world etc). I for sure have my own (which are coloured by my own experiences, ofc)
I love the idea of the space between Fi and Ti...I always wonder why I feel the way I do! :)
Excellent video!
Hi Harry, it's me again xD
Errrr I have a question, pertaining to the idea of the 'External Medium' which you often cite when differentiating reactivity from proactivity. Basically, how does Technology/mobile devices/compulsive internet usage influencd the degree of engagement with an external medium? Just an interesting question I thought of xD
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Hey Harry! Cheers for a new cool video. Got a question: in previous videos youve mentioned that FeNe doms tend to use comparatively low-risks strategies for Fe. So, does this applies to TeNe doms? Also, would you consider (Fe/Te)Se less risk aversive than the (Te/Fe)Ne doms? As always, kudos to you man!
Much obliged! I'd say the TeNe adage "if it's not broken don't try to fix it" sums it up nicely. I have found TeSe and FeSe to be more risk taking on the macro (Ne) level!
@@CognitivePersonality Interesting detail! Is there any tendency in CPT states that gateway stack is lil more risky/creative than the main convergent stack? Like little more risky TeNe of ENFJ, for example. Kudos
@@SashaP-f7khi ENFJ here please ignore the username which is used for alternate purposes lol. I don't know if Harry would agree but as for the ENFJ when an Ni vision is locked in place it's almost compulsive hence why you might see an unrelenting TeNe in service of the Ni goal. I've found that gateway TeNe types (ESTJs) TeNe tends to be the goal in & of itself without an undulating Ni pushing it forward thus it can be more risk averse. I think a good example of an ENFJ being really risk taking in service of an Ni objective was Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya who despite real direct threats to her life continued to report on the war in Chechnya which eventually cost her her life. Of course most ENFJs don't reach such lofty heights or goals. I was originally a divergent TiNi subtype when typed by Harry and I have to say I think when you scale up introversion the type generally becomes more risk averse as they're quite happy just seeing how things pan out - this is less so since I've moved more into a default network. Also as ENFJs are a highly strategic type (probably the most strategic type id say anyway) they can afford to take a lot of calculated risks as they tend to have good foresight of what consequences will lead to said actions - ie bringing their Ni into alignment with Ti. People of course (who could stand in the way) are naturally a variable that isn't as easily accounted for albeit as the ENFJ already as TiNi- systems in place to inform their FeSe convergence this leads to adeptness at predicting how people are likely to react (of course it's not a perfect science but FeSe convergence can account for these changing variables as they chart the course). At least for me, I'm very rarely surprised by someone's reactions to what I say/do. I also have a highly active NeFe- network which means I'm pretty good at predicting behaviour on a more macro scale. I guess to the outside world it looks like we're risk takers albeit in reality we rarely make a move that isn't quite heavily calculated. I'd imagine that the INFJ is even more perceptive at picking up on them social nuances, which we account for, on account of SeFe being divergent & Fe acting at the behest of a Se agenda. Harry please correct me if I'm wrong. With ENTJs I think the sheer force of their FiNi- pushing them forward gives them a natural predisposition towards risk taking.
This helps illustrate why the agency position is less flexible. A function's supporting element in a way defines it more so than the dominant, as the dominant is the Gateway for flexion. SeTe into NeTe, it's clear Te is necessary as the defining element. This isn't to assert a gateway, but in the end it will be easier to flex SeTe twords NeTe than it is to flex SeTe into SeFe?
Yes I would say so!
@@CognitivePersonality Odd question here, love your content. Why would we see something like Ne, for example, as in any way related to the physical world? Wouldn’t the dilation, specific fixation and then broadening of physical perspective be completely within Se, due to its role in unorganized physical reaction? Se and Ne are 2 entirely different programs, Ne being the ideation for example you gave (but what if we look at the table? What if we look at the entire room, how am I perceiving it/how could it be perceived different?) and Se physically taking in information. I’m not sure how the actual physical act of “zooming out” in terms of sight is related to Ne - only the mental ideation and shifting of mental perspective.
Perhaps I’m wrong. Could you educate me?
@@ethanlynch8275 Good question! One of the reasons Ne has to be considered physical is because it's seldom used to it's fullest extreme and is therefore usually Se-ish.
Secondly just because it's non semantic doesn't mean it's non physical. Movement, trajectories, contingencies are all extremely physical as they pertain to the physical relationships within and between spaces. So I would place context as spatial and therefore physical
Is it the same principle with the judgement dom types? I.e the lens is the defining, crucial element
Thanks for the video, I finally understand where my problem lies. I believe I'm an INTP, but it appears I've been using NeXe and NiXi simultaneously, which doesn't make sense.
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Can the authority function truly take a dominant position? for example an ISTJ would prefer to use ESTJ functions when starting an interaction, but they will be gradually pulled into an ENFP network due to being an irrational type.
Te in this case feels like a filter, something that ensures the ISTJ sounds logical. However, it can only communicate a small portion of Si-Fi.
So this is more where network theory comes in - ISTJ actually accesses ENTJ by flipping their authority (more of the theory behind that in network video on channel), hence the deep similarity between those two types.
ESTJ is possible via the lens of this video but hyper convergent Ne for an Ne hyper divergent type is *tough*
@CognitivePersonalityTheory how often would you say the average ISTJ uses ENTJ compared to ESTP and ENFP?
Hello, do you think extroverts mistype a lot as introverts? I feel like I see this online or is it stereotypes ? After seeing this video I feel like they are more ambivert .
When Harry refers to ambiversion here he's referring to cognitive ambiversion, if I'm understanding you correctly. In CPT/Jungian typology E & I are about how we take in information predominantly, whether reactively or proactively NOT how social one is. I'm a cognitive ENFJ and Harry has typed me as more of a social ambivert, thus E or I doesn't define how social one is. I know plenty of INTPs for example that are more outgoing than myself and this will be contingent up aspects of personality superfluous to cognition. However on the note of mistyping, I find the biggest mistype in terms of cognition as it refers to E & I is ESFPs mistyping as INFJ for some bizarre reason, especially the divergent subtype variety. It's worth noting I'm a divergent ENFJ as it currently stands (I lean into the TiNi pairing) and thus I spend a lot of time internally theorising which would be classed as an introverted activity. There's no clear delineation on whether those with an E or I preference are therefore more socially extroverted or introverted. For example, as it refers to my own type, in a generalistic sense, we tend to be ambiverted at best owing to the refined and specific lense of FeSe compared to our ESFJ counterparts. If you put us in a social situation where parameters have yet to be established we'll often be one of the quietest in the group. I think it's very difficult to delineate online who is more socially extroverted as by virtue of engaging online your participating in a reactive/extroverted medium irrespective of your type. Harry mentioned the INFJ/ENFP ambiverted type Vs a person who's preferences lean more towards INFJ; you never know the ambivert could be less socially extroverted than the INFJ. In short, a type code/preferences won't determine how social you are to any significant degree. Hey my fiancé is an ESFP and he's pretty socially introverted.
In the classic sense of I/E most people are ambiverts! Cognitively see above :)
Interesting. I think an ambivert can fluctuate between an INTP and ENFP.
I'd be careful about assuming dips and temporary network shifts as part of an "ambiverted" default personality. I'm skeptical thatan intp with 8th slot Fi could consiously shift Fi into the divergent auxillary or authority status for any extended length of time. So i still think intp->enfp shift is really more of a divergent fuxation or concious dissent rather than a relatively static ambiv. default network.
Could you dscribe the space between SiFi+ and NiFi+?
That's a good one! SiFi is 'these are my firm boundaries and convictions' and NiFi is more like 'this is my destiny/archetype', so a space in between would be a more gentle demeanour than SiFi and a more flexible archetype than NiFi.
Imo it would be a series of actions in which you oscillate between feeling a specific emotional reaction versus feeling a mood that spans a larger time frame. An emotional reaction or the pure effect a moment has on your emotional circuitry is more SiFi+, while detaching yourself from the flow of time to feel your mood is more nifi+. The transition from a mood to an attachment to sequential emotional reactions is the space in between. The processing before getting a conclusion is the space between SiFi+ versus NiFi+.
@@Daniel-wf5ht That's good! I would also distinguish between FiSi and FiNi which are more about emotionality and SiFi/NiFi is often more about boundaries and directionality due to the agency position of Fi therein. Definitely both though rather than either/or!
@@CognitivePersonality So, having strong convictions and boundaries about many things in life (politics, religion, relationships) but not a clear vision about what your destiny/purpose in life and what archetype fits you best is closer to SiFi rather NiFi, right?
@@xripkan6623 That's right! Harder with overt traits like that as both types can have both but that would be the emphasis
where does a fluid personality system such as CPT sit in the future of personality theory? Big 5 plays a lead role in psychology research and understanding yourself more scientifically. MBTI/Typology is used to understand yourself and differences in others in a more simple holistic way. Both great tools for different purposes and I am curious where these hybrid theories will fit in the future. will they help break new ground or be rejected as not scientific enough or simple enough to contribute anything significant over the existing models.
I'm hoping CPT will in the future help to bridge the gap, as it measures cognition on a spectrum which is more science friendly and baked things down to hard mechanistic processes, all the while diving deeper into the holistic by allowing these processes to interact with each other dynamically
Great I feel the big5 covers more or less everything apart from the way we use traits/functions. For example it can highlight if you are intuitive (high openness) but dosent explain how you personally use this trait (ne v ni) we can clearly see people have preferences for cognitive functions but measuring it on a scientific model like the big5 seems to be extremely difficult.
Harry, I like you but this is FULL OF HOT AIR