I see you don't know what you are talking about. A cartridge having more powder doesn't make it more powerful. 5.45 does more damage than 5.56. There is a reason why the round was called "The Poison Bullet".
@@TheSundayShooter nice you replied to a 10 year old comment. 5.56 77gr OTM is pretty potent but I still think that 5.45 leaves a bigger wound track. I run 5.56 as my primary rifle caliber and I would only trust 55gr M193 or 77gr OTM.
@@FiveTwoSevenTHR Been exploring Old Gun Tube, searching for life among the comments that remained after the Google+ purge What is your twist rate? Ball M193 was optimized with 1:12"
I appreciate both for what they are. Ballistically the 5.45x39 and 5.56x45 are similar. Accuracy will always be given up for reliability, and that's where the two shine in there respective categories. The loose tolerances, few parts, and gas piston driven bolt carrier group of the AK allow it to feed, fire, and function more reliably in all conditions than AR pattern rifles, but with less accuracy. The AR with tight tolerances and DI gas system means it's more accurate but less reliable.
@1nakey1 Well ive seen an M4A1 go through 1100 rounds with one malfunction, whilst firing on full auto. Alot of the jamming problems which are experienced when the weapon isnt overheat are often user intended malfunctions. For example, some guys will load 31 rounds into a 30 round magazine, which can cause the spine of the magazine to widen and the follower pushes up a second round prematurely resulting in a double feed. Failure to lock is also often caused if the bolt is not cleaned properly.
None of the test that I've seen of the AR16 type rifles considers the may small places where salt water can gather and, over time, begin erosion. Most tests involve dunking them in the mud, sand, and water, to immediately bringing them up to shoot. Even if you rinse the rifle in fresh water, allow it to dry, and oil it, in a tropical environment, you may begin to have problems after 45 days. Not so with a AK74 or AK12.
@YoshiLover2012 The original M16 did not have a foward assist, in 1967 it underwent modifications to make it more reliable, it was re-designated the M16A1, and one of the new features was the foward assist.
@1nakey1 But to a point, yes you are correct. The M4/M16 do still have overheating issues, but these are being addressed slowly. It doesnt matter how many updates they put into it, the rifles will still always have the basic fault of being an impingement operated system, there has been alot of looking into short stroke piston upper kits for the current M4's. Doesnt matter to me, at the end of the day i will always love AK's more. The current 5.45x39 is superior in ballistics to the 5.56x45
@545Krinkify I agree, which is why I own an AK47 that I keep in my pad for a SHTF event. But out in the field overseas I had no problem carrying around the M4. I enjoyed its ergonomics, lighter weight, ease of mag exchange, scope/accessories to go with it. Different weapons for different missions. That's why if I'm forced to go with a lighter round I'll stick to the 223/5.56 caliber.
depends on the user and the mission. with a scope, skilled marksman and limited ammo-the M16. for draftees laying down suppressive fire at shorter ranges-the AK
@paunmarko I somewhat agree. It is a good design but the bullet it chambers is to massive so the recoil is horrible. It is reliable but it can't hit a target accurately due to fact that the barrel flexes when a bullet is fired. But they did modernize it with the AK-103, it chambers the same round as the AK-47 (7.62x39mm) but it resembles the appearance of the AK-74. Instead of wood for the stalk, hand grip and pistole grip they used polymer.
@TaZ101SAGA i totaly agree a "well maintained" m16 can go through at least 2 mags straight before begining to overheat. an ak47 however can be under someones floorboards for the past 30 years, taken out loaded with a 70 round drum mag, cocked and happly fired away untill you run out of ammo without fail. my friend you can keep your m16.
@TaZ101SAGA heres my point, i've seen first hand what happens to an m16 under sustained fire. we watched a soldier firing an m16 at a target. after 2 mags we could clearly see smoke poring out of the venting ports on the hand guard. it got through most of the third mag then started to jam every 2 or 3 rounds. my uncle told the guy that the barrel was overheating and thats why its jamming. when the guy checked the barrel he burnt his hand.
@trivipesnipe That is very true. Many people disregard the M16 family due to "reliability issues". It is a very valuable weapon in open terrain, like plains or flat deserts. The same can also be said about the AK family, they have become more accurate and shoot further than the original models. It all depends on the terrain and method of warfare, but some weapons are indeed superior to others however.
@thegermexican935 Hey sunshine the AK-47 is what I would be using rather than any AR varient. On single shot within 200 metres if I open fire then you are dropped. Up close the AK can spread with plenty of control, unlike an M16. The enemy in Afghanistan (note how you spell it) are often engaged in close quaters at ranges of 50 metres. The fact it is still standard issue since 1947 means a lot. Reliability and predictability are what you need in a weapon.
@Cowbelltheoneandonly the reason the longer barrel is more accurate is not because of the sights. It is the same reason as if I ask you to draw a straight line 24 inches long, and you can only use a ruler once (without re-using it, flipping the ruler etc) and one of the straight lines you use a 1 inch ruler to start your line off, while the other line you get to start your line off with a 12 inch ruler. the one with the 12 inch ruler will be straighter hands down if the barrels were perfect & =.
How I see it is that the M-16 (and it's variants) are great for accuracy, and the AK-74 for effective stopping power. Either way they're top notch military rifles.
@DJAeroSwish i kno this is an old comment but the AK is suppose to be a slop weapon. meaning it can get dirty in some areas without jamming or other failures. it also uses a bigger caliber bullet ( im not sure if it is millimeter or caliber). but, the accuracy is not good from medium to long range. the ak will hit 1/30 rounds at long range. m16 round is made to destabilize on impact and rip you up coming out, and it will stay accurate at a very long range, and it will still give good penetration
@Cowbelltheoneandonly Nope, the reason the snub nosed revolvers are less accurate than the longer barreled ones is because the barrel is longer, can lead the bullet straighter, the same reason why sniper rifle barrels are super huge. the front sight could be only 16 inches away or even less from the rear sight and it could still be accurate. yes, the adjustments are more fine and small the farther away the site is but...
@assym2006 Oh, you would prefer the SIG 522. As easy to take apart as the AK-47, yet is far more accurate. It's also pretty reliable, provided you look after it (which you should as part of routine back at your base of operations anyway). Or even the SA80 A2. I have never heard of one jamming in a battle before and even if it did, it is designed in such a way as you can unjam it in a second or two (provided you don't panic and fumble, in which case your handgun would be quicker).
@fmpanic000 Another thing that you fall to understand, high muzzle velocity and lots of rotation on a round keeps on course with its target. The weight of the bullet is just one thing. Oh, by the way I found something interesting 660 5.56x45mm NATO rounds has the same weight as 360 7.62x39mm rounds.
@Beastface612 They are totally differen weapons unlinked with each other. SKS made by simonov in late 1944, made from combination of SVT-40 and PTRS-41 mechanisms down scaled for the 1943 7,62x39 intermidiate cartridge. AK is different, developped from 1944, multiple prototypes and armorers, but the AK-46 prototype is what can be said the base of future AK design. The only relation between AK and SKS is the ammunition and country of origin.
@wrexq Yah, it's half a inch in diameter coming at a person at 3,000 feet per second. It's only used in machineguns, sniper rifles, and they is an mod for 5.56x45mm NATO weapons that turns it into a slow firing .50 weapon.
@Cowbelltheoneandonly true the ak is used officially less than m16 variants, the 6inches away farther from the front site has nothing to do with it's accuracy. what makes an ak inaccurate is that the 47 model can be seen flexing the barrel up and down from bullet pressure, friction of the bullet, and the huge bolt carrier. the 74 models are way more accurate with the different bullet and even the rifined 47 models with stronger, hinker barrels like the ak-m, etc can be used accurately with scope
@AgrivatedKillah that is irrelevant. The AK47 is not featured in this video so i dont know why people are talking about it. AK47's can vary whether or not they are better than M16's, but i believe than AK74's are better than M16's. Besides, AK47's and M16's were designed for different purposes in combat, they are only compared because they both saw their first major action together in Vietnam.
@Beastface612 They were parallel designs, not improvement over the first. SKS and AK where used for decades before all red army can have AK. 3 systems with the same munition : SKS for general use, AK for special use and later for general use, and RPD for machine gun. But all three weapons are different in mechanism. Latter in changed : SKS removed, AKM and RPK using same mechanic for rifle and machine gun. Later even replaced by AK-74 and RPK-74 in 1980's.
@xxXfanosXxx I'm glad you know what the 5.56x45mm NATO round acutally does. Also it tumbles when it hits the hits the body. THAT"S HOW IT MAKES UP FOR BEING "SMALL", however it does have low peneatration.
@V219R not saying anything disrespectful, you have your own opinion, but the m16 does what it was designed for. It is a RIFLE it fires accurately, precisely, and lethally. The AK is an assault weapon, it fires reliably, and puts down a wall of lead. They both do their job well, but the m16 is the more lethal one. The AK is the more usable one. Just my opinion...
@twitchypj Reliability is more important than accuracy in an average combat situation. The longer range of the M16 isnt an advantage in close combat, and close combat is where the AK exceeds. Having an accurate gun gives you no advantage if you get a click instead of bang, and your opponent (with an AK) shoots you, because his gun doesnt fail to fire...There you go.
@xxXfanosXxx Acutally that problem was fixed once they replaced the ball powder with the original DuPont IMR powder that Stoner told the military to use.
Oh and by the way, don't confuse the fact that just because we called it an operation, doesn't mean it wasn't a front. Look at Operation Overlord, or Operation Torch. Both were called operation, and both opened new fronts.
@SibirianHusk A true military weapon that does not give up I like the 5.56 Ak 101 or 5.45 AK 74 versions lower recoil improved accuracy. The M16 gives up when you really need it.
@Cowbelltheoneandonly oh yeah wrong thing for the p90 :P sorry bout that but the ar 15 was the development of the 5.56 nato not the m16. the galil assault rifle uses the .223 cal (5.56mm nato) but is not based off of the m16. the g36, one of the best assault rifles in the world, is definitely not based off of the m16. the m16 always jammed in the humid jungles of vietnam and sandy conditions of the open oasis areas. the ak 47 isn't accurate but the ak74 can even be used with a scope(accurate).
@rockyson990 FFS.. You can't compare the AK-47 with the M16A4 system. The original M16 needed lots of upgrades before it was even slightly reliably. And there we have the "new" M16 with is in use today. Same with the AK-47. The AK-47 was quickly proven to be full of design errors and it was made in 3 versions. AK-47 I, AK-47 II and AK-47 III. The flaws were improved and the AKM was made. Production of the AKM was much easier than the AK-47 and it was produced in a much larger number.
accuracy, velocity and weight goes to the M-16 action reliability, service length, jam resistance, fully automatic fire, ease of cleaning, projectile power and resistance to have catastrophic failure when fired from the water goes to the AK-47
@ramb0nat0r You know from just a picture... an M4 and a Car-15 would be hard to distinguish! BUT since it says m16a2 CARBINE you can assume its closer to a Car-15 since an M4 is a redesigned gun... the Car-15 is just a shortened m-16!
@Slajjin ive seen afghans only clean and ak47 once every 3months and they still work. with M16 we stopped and cleaned them almost everyday (thats dessert warfare for you) The ak47 is a treu battle rifle. what i mean by that is it was meant for War its was meant to survive in any enviroment. the M16 was just meant to be light weight
@dnlcod3dnl because of the lighter projectile with a large brass compared to its size. but be careful, over long distances the .223 round will tend to float around and lose accuracy. (windy scenario) :D
@SamZig In my opinion, both are equally lethal. But, The lethality of the weapon isnt located in the weapon or the ammo, but in the person behind it. A well trained individual with the "Dangerous lego toy" would win out against some random guy with an AK. Vice versa with the AK. But, when it comes down to TWO well trained individuals, it would be an even fight.
@dnlcod3dnl of course it does that to every single round, but the heaver the round the less the wind has an effect on the projectile (.223 is a shit load lighter then the .308) . and it is a .223 projectile THAT IS ITS CALIBER! just like .243, .308, .222, .22.
@Caseyr0206 Yea my uncle told me when he was in vietnam he was tired of the m16 jamming,Very frequent cleaning ect. and he picked up an AK-47.That AK-47 brought him back home safely 2 years later and he had it until his death last year from cancer
@Cowbelltheoneandonly Not to get in this fight but the ak 47 has the more powerful round, so does the a74 (47=7.62x39 74=5.45x39) and the m16 isn't used by the most advanced armies in the world, just some countries and the U.S. If you haven't noticed Germany makes the most advanced stuff, they made: the first bolt action rifle repeater, the first assault rifle stg44, the first caseless ammo (aside from old muzzle-loaders) in the g11, the revolving chamber in the g11, the p90 design, etc
@esh325 they are reliable, but have a strict maintenance routine. Many "owners" of ak's NEVER clean them. they simply dont have the resources. m16's require grease, oil, regular cleaning or the gas systems will foul, in the very least. the ak is a loose tolerance weapon, and that looseness is what allows it to digest dirt, grime, smurfs, whatever is in the way and still fire each and every time you pull the trigger. m16's are by far more accurate, but not more reliable.
@Insert1name1here It is very important, but, for example, if you have long barrel with bad locking mechanism and bad bullet design, you basically have a very bad and inaccurate piece of weapon. About handling, I found that AK-74 and M-16A2 are pretty much on the same level. I fired weapons at single shot for comparing accuracy; and for handling comparison, AK-74 at full auto while M-16A2 at three round burst only cause it doesn't have full auto option.
The Tantal is an AK 74, the only difference is the gas tube is different. 5.45 is longer but I never said wider because it isn't. I guess I'll send you some videos showing the AK 47 shot at those ranges and yes I will now upload the video I made last night of me field stripping my AK 74. By the way, before I got my Tantal, the only AKs I shot were 47s.
@brox114 It's perfectly curcial for accuracy. But the M-16 has been proven to have better accuracy. BUT, thats for trained operators of the weapon, the AK has far better handling, so in universal hands, it can be fired accurately a lot easier than the M-16
@Cowbelltheoneandonly if the ar15 was never used in the U.S. army, we could've won the vietnam war, even though it had barely anything to do with the U.S. as we sort of butted in on the other countries problems which we were specifically told not too, and somewhere in a treaty made after the effects of WW2. the ak74 doesn't just tumble like the .223, it completely hooks, end over end when it hits any surface and when contacting an enemy straight on, can exit out the the side, deep & un-healable.
@V219R The only advantage of the AK-74 is it's greater reliability due to a simple design. When it comes to accuracy and handling, the M16 far surpasses the AK-74 - and a well tended M16 won't jam or malfunction any more than an AK.
@BRIKbushcraft Why thank you. And by the way I agree that the AK system is much more reliable than the AR system. I am just saying that if you clean the M16 daily it has a very good reliablity.
@wrexq So would the M16's 5.56 x 45mm NATO round. The 5.56 makes up for being smaller than the .30 cal because when it hits the body the round starts tumbling. However I said mid-high because a .50 cal would split a man in half in one hit.
@quote55 Stopping power, reliability, simplicity, cost efficiency and ease of manufacturing. The accuracy is more than good enough for most combat situations.
They should be comparing the Ak74 to the m16a1. The contemporary to the 47 would be an M14, FAL or G3... Or hell the STG44 which precluded all the prototypes up to the AK46. Plus cartridge sizes are a big difference in guns back then.
@assym2006 Yeah. I see what you mean. It's really quite funny how famous firearms don't usually have left-handed alternatives. It is a pity. Well, I guess any rifle that is not bullpup can, if you are willing to practice a bit, be left handed as well, as the ejection port is well away from your eye. It would take some getting used to though. Glad I could have a nice, calm discussion with someone who knows their guns!
@qrkydude3 No, the AK-47 has more stoping power. Its 7.62mm x 5.56mm caliber. Not to mention the AK-47s bullet yaws at the same depth, and has superior hard penetration. Its accuracy isn't even that bad if it is well cleaned, and using optimal ammunition.
@ak907jk yeah, when i talked about the penetration of the 7.62x39 and trees, the word "ambush" was no where close. unless you got mixed up about trees having bushes. and then i put in a reasonable distance where accuracy what you like so much about the m16 is irrelevant, @ that point in time the two "weapons" are equal. besides the AK-47 will make a better ambush weapon ever the M16 because of its cartridge. higher penetration, the bullet it self is less likely to deflect than the 55 grain 5.56
@Cowbelltheoneandonly i dont know where you got your information from but the 7.62 round has twice the stopping power than the 5.56, but the ak has horrible accuracy
@TaZ101SAGA and this is the crux. i have no doubt that you can go through a few hundred rounds without an issue but only if the m16 is fired in bursts. did you know that during recent operations in Afghanistan and Iraq(2002-2003) controversial complaints we made by us troops about the reliability of their m16a2 and that special ops also companied about their m4's overheating and jamming. its all about sustained fire and thats the joke when it comes to the m16a2lmg.
@Sparky2000532 maybe because it has a longer barrel? The 74 is accurate enough, and it has much MUCH less recoil than 16, and it is much reliable than 16, AND, the 5.45 is much better than 5.56.
@EradicatingWarlock This is about AK74, not AK47. Two very different weapons in terms of accuracy, recoil and energy. What you say applies to AK47 only.
@chris96kalonji Your not very smart. The 5.56x45mm NATO does mid-high damage because when it hits the body it starts to tumble which cause almost as much damage as the fatter 7.62x31mm round. However this tumbling effect shortens the rounds penetration ability.
@dnlcod3dnl M-16A2 should be more accurate than M-16A1 used in Vietnam because of better locking system and thicker (heavier) barrel. That means that AK-74 is more accurate than any existing M-16 version. Max. effective range of both rifles is around 500m. ...and just to mention, I used M193 and M855 5,56 bullets (M193 was little bit more accurate at closer range up to 100m, but M855 is more accurete at longer ranges). As far as goes for AK-74, I used 7N10 rounds.
My WASR must be defective because I was hitting targets at 200 and 300 yards and it hasn't jammed yet despite having a few hundred rounds through it. CAI doesn't make the best stuff but they work most of the time. Don't recommend them though.
@redsoxandme Metal you mean, and that's besides the point. The m-16 is a piece of junk because of the direct gas impingement it uses. The AK-47 uses a gas piston, which makes it extremely reliable, but also increases its weight. The AK-47 is also horribly inaccurate, its barrel bends when fired, but considering soviet army doctrine (high volumes of fire from massed troops) it wasn't too much of a problem.
Despite popular believe Avtomat Kalashnikova- 47 was NOT in the Vietnam war, the type 56 and the AKM (the akm was used near the end of the war as it was starting to replace the type 56) were used in Vietnam.also the m16a1, the only reason the type 56 and AKM were better, was because the m16a1 was not meant for jungle warfare and often jammed cause of humidity, and lack of instructions on how to clean it.The m16a1 was not a bad gun for its time, however it was the wrong gun for the Vietnam war .
@brox114 Unfortunatly the accuracy is wrong, but that's not really the weapon systems fault, it just has a far shorter barrel. the AK can beat the M-16 in almost every field, and its effective range is just within that of what over 80% of armed encounters happen.
@assaultrecon28 well i know they used to designate people with SMG's but im guessing that concept has been long deceased but for close quarters i mean you can always use the sidearm truely i hate it though because everyone thinks that that one soldier is like the rest of them and cant handle a full auto 308 too well whichif he can he has that great advantage if not then he can think of some other weapon he can use that has good stopping power for close encounters
they both look fancy , but i heard that m16 bullets spread in body causing dammage , but AK is way easier to clean and it works better in bad weather conditions -- sorry for bad spelling
@barrybolton Lol, i love Mosin's, i have one, but simply put it you would be very outgunned in close quarter combat, bearing in mind pretty much everyone uses automatic rifles these days.
The AK is just fine at what it is made to do: Be an assault rifle. And most battles occur within 400 yards (urban)... They have even been used as a close(r) range sniper rifle. It also depends on what the solder was trained to use and how to use it.
It's a toss up between the 2. The AK has the deadly lay down power and doesn't really require accuracy to be effective and its built to withstand harsh envirements to prevent jamming & other failures. The M16 has great accuracy over medium/long range combat where the AK is really only meant for close/medium range combat although the modifications to the AK today have changed this to being useable at any range. Also the M16 has a lower recoil so it'll have time to pin point distant targets.
@xboxfisher50 Dude im just talking about how the soldiers in Vietnam used to say "You Can Tell It's Mattel", because of its Plastic Components, *MEANING* that the M16 was more of a toy than a rifle, and the M16's unreliability in combat, I have no clue what your comparing my statement to
@1nakey1 Buddy, i am a die hard Kalashnikov fan, so i dont know what 'keep your M16' is supposed to mean. However, I do recognize the effectiveness of a properly maintained AR-15 style weapon and i do have respect for them, they are most likely the best ergonomically designed assault rifle in the world. In my opinion, Kalashnikov weapons will always have more pro's than cons.
You cant even compare them, of course Ak is better, even the AK 47
The best SOFs in the world prefer AR-15s over AKs
Proof?@@TheSundayShooter
Yess🔥 they are reliable and accurate and powerful! Yess in single shot any rifle is accurate, but AK is accurate with power! And an instant kill shot!
AK forever !
Orlov Oscar just a quetion oscar; how much ak47 bullets can a human survive in the stomach?
Orlov Oscar dam right! I love ak 74m with side folding stocks. AK 74 rules!
+LeGunslinger i think one or 2
I see you don't know what you are talking about. A cartridge having more powder doesn't make it more powerful. 5.45 does more damage than 5.56. There is a reason why the round was called "The Poison Bullet".
If the only thing you have is ball ammo, yeah
@@TheSundayShooter nice you replied to a 10 year old comment.
5.56 77gr OTM is pretty potent but I still think that 5.45 leaves a bigger wound track.
I run 5.56 as my primary rifle caliber and I would only trust 55gr M193 or 77gr OTM.
@@FiveTwoSevenTHR
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What is your twist rate? Ball M193 was optimized with 1:12"
@@TheSundayShooter my Daewoo DR200 is 1:12 and my DD MK12 that I'm thinking about replacing with an AUG is 1:7. The MK12 was optimized for 77gr OTM.
I appreciate both for what they are. Ballistically the 5.45x39 and 5.56x45 are similar. Accuracy will always be given up for reliability, and that's where the two shine in there respective categories. The loose tolerances, few parts, and gas piston driven bolt carrier group of the AK allow it to feed, fire, and function more reliably in all conditions than AR pattern rifles, but with less accuracy. The AR with tight tolerances and DI gas system means it's more accurate but less reliable.
@1nakey1 Well ive seen an M4A1 go through 1100 rounds with one malfunction, whilst firing on full auto. Alot of the jamming problems which are experienced when the weapon isnt overheat are often user intended malfunctions. For example, some guys will load 31 rounds into a 30 round magazine, which can cause the spine of the magazine to widen and the follower pushes up a second round prematurely resulting in a double feed. Failure to lock is also often caused if the bolt is not cleaned properly.
Ak!!!
None of the test that I've seen of the AR16 type rifles considers the may small places where salt water can gather and, over time, begin erosion. Most tests involve dunking them in the mud, sand, and water, to immediately bringing them up to shoot. Even if you rinse the rifle in fresh water, allow it to dry, and oil it, in a tropical environment, you may begin to have problems after 45 days. Not so with a AK74 or AK12.
@YoshiLover2012 The original M16 did not have a foward assist, in 1967 it underwent modifications to make it more reliable, it was re-designated the M16A1, and one of the new features was the foward assist.
@1nakey1 But to a point, yes you are correct. The M4/M16 do still have overheating issues, but these are being addressed slowly. It doesnt matter how many updates they put into it, the rifles will still always have the basic fault of being an impingement operated system, there has been alot of looking into short stroke piston upper kits for the current M4's. Doesnt matter to me, at the end of the day i will always love AK's more. The current 5.45x39 is superior in ballistics to the 5.56x45
@545Krinkify I agree, which is why I own an AK47 that I keep in my pad for a SHTF event. But out in the field overseas I had no problem carrying around the M4. I enjoyed its ergonomics, lighter weight, ease of mag exchange, scope/accessories to go with it. Different weapons for different missions. That's why if I'm forced to go with a lighter round I'll stick to the 223/5.56 caliber.
depends on the user and the mission.
with a scope, skilled marksman and limited ammo-the M16.
for draftees laying down suppressive fire at shorter ranges-the AK
@paunmarko I somewhat agree. It is a good design but the bullet it chambers is to massive so the recoil is horrible. It is reliable but it can't hit a target accurately due to fact that the barrel flexes when a bullet is fired. But they did modernize it with the AK-103, it chambers the same round as the AK-47 (7.62x39mm) but it resembles the appearance of the AK-74. Instead of wood for the stalk, hand grip and pistole grip they used polymer.
@TaZ101SAGA i totaly agree a "well maintained" m16 can go through at least 2 mags straight before begining to overheat. an ak47 however can be under someones floorboards for the past 30 years, taken out loaded with a 70 round drum mag, cocked and happly fired away untill you run out of ammo without fail. my friend you can keep your m16.
@TaZ101SAGA heres my point, i've seen first hand what happens to an m16 under sustained fire. we watched a soldier firing an m16 at a target. after 2 mags we could clearly see smoke poring out of the venting ports on the hand guard. it got through most of the third mag then started to jam every 2 or 3 rounds. my uncle told the guy that the barrel was overheating and thats why its jamming. when the guy checked the barrel he burnt his hand.
@trivipesnipe That is very true. Many people disregard the M16 family due to "reliability issues". It is a very valuable weapon in open terrain, like plains or flat deserts. The same can also be said about the AK family, they have become more accurate and shoot further than the original models. It all depends on the terrain and method of warfare, but some weapons are indeed superior to others however.
@thegermexican935 Hey sunshine the AK-47 is what I would be using rather than any AR varient. On single shot within 200 metres if I open fire then you are dropped. Up close the AK can spread with plenty of control, unlike an M16. The enemy in Afghanistan (note how you spell it) are often engaged in close quaters at ranges of 50 metres. The fact it is still standard issue since 1947 means a lot. Reliability and predictability are what you need in a weapon.
@MarijuanaTities The HK416 is chambered in 5.56mm. The Barrett REC 7 is chambered in 6.8, as well as some of the LWRC M6 series of rifles.
@Cowbelltheoneandonly the reason the longer barrel is more accurate is not because of the sights. It is the same reason as if I ask you to draw a straight line 24 inches long, and you can only use a ruler once (without re-using it, flipping the ruler etc) and one of the straight lines you use a 1 inch ruler to start your line off, while the other line you get to start your line off with a 12 inch ruler. the one with the 12 inch ruler will be straighter hands down if the barrels were perfect & =.
How I see it is that the M-16 (and it's variants) are great for accuracy, and the AK-74 for effective stopping power. Either way they're top notch military rifles.
@DJAeroSwish i kno this is an old comment but the AK is suppose to be a slop weapon. meaning it can get dirty in some areas without jamming or other failures. it also uses a bigger caliber bullet ( im not sure if it is millimeter or caliber). but, the accuracy is not good from medium to long range. the ak will hit 1/30 rounds at long range. m16 round is made to destabilize on impact and rip you up coming out, and it will stay accurate at a very long range, and it will still give good penetration
@Cowbelltheoneandonly Nope, the reason the snub nosed revolvers are less accurate than the longer barreled ones is because the barrel is longer, can lead the bullet straighter, the same reason why sniper rifle barrels are super huge. the front sight could be only 16 inches away or even less from the rear sight and it could still be accurate. yes, the adjustments are more fine and small the farther away the site is but...
@assym2006 Oh, you would prefer the SIG 522. As easy to take apart as the AK-47, yet is far more accurate. It's also pretty reliable, provided you look after it (which you should as part of routine back at your base of operations anyway). Or even the SA80 A2. I have never heard of one jamming in a battle before and even if it did, it is designed in such a way as you can unjam it in a second or two (provided you don't panic and fumble, in which case your handgun would be quicker).
@fmpanic000 Another thing that you fall to understand, high muzzle velocity and lots of rotation on a round keeps on course with its target. The weight of the bullet is just one thing.
Oh, by the way I found something interesting 660 5.56x45mm NATO rounds has the same weight as 360 7.62x39mm rounds.
@Beastface612 They are totally differen weapons unlinked with each other. SKS made by simonov in late 1944, made from combination of SVT-40 and PTRS-41 mechanisms down scaled for the 1943 7,62x39 intermidiate cartridge. AK is different, developped from 1944, multiple prototypes and armorers, but the AK-46 prototype is what can be said the base of future AK design. The only relation between AK and SKS is the ammunition and country of origin.
@wrexq Yah, it's half a inch in diameter coming at a person at 3,000 feet per second. It's only used in machineguns, sniper rifles, and they is an mod for 5.56x45mm NATO weapons that turns it into a slow firing .50 weapon.
@Cowbelltheoneandonly true the ak is used officially less than m16 variants, the 6inches away farther from the front site has nothing to do with it's accuracy. what makes an ak inaccurate is that the 47 model can be seen flexing the barrel up and down from bullet pressure, friction of the bullet, and the huge bolt carrier. the 74 models are way more accurate with the different bullet and even the rifined 47 models with stronger, hinker barrels like the ak-m, etc can be used accurately with scope
@AgrivatedKillah that is irrelevant. The AK47 is not featured in this video so i dont know why people are talking about it. AK47's can vary whether or not they are better than M16's, but i believe than AK74's are better than M16's. Besides, AK47's and M16's were designed for different purposes in combat, they are only compared because they both saw their first major action together in Vietnam.
@Beastface612 They were parallel designs, not improvement over the first. SKS and AK where used for decades before all red army can have AK. 3 systems with the same munition : SKS for general use, AK for special use and later for general use, and RPD for machine gun. But all three weapons are different in mechanism. Latter in changed : SKS removed, AKM and RPK using same mechanic for rifle and machine gun. Later even replaced by AK-74 and RPK-74 in 1980's.
@xxXfanosXxx I'm glad you know what the 5.56x45mm NATO round acutally does. Also it tumbles when it hits the hits the body. THAT"S HOW IT MAKES UP FOR BEING "SMALL", however it does have low peneatration.
@V219R not saying anything disrespectful, you have your own opinion, but the m16 does what it was designed for. It is a RIFLE it fires accurately, precisely, and lethally. The AK is an assault weapon, it fires reliably, and puts down a wall of lead. They both do their job well, but the m16 is the more lethal one. The AK is the more usable one. Just my opinion...
@EduEnYT yes the akm is the Avtomat Kalashnikova modernized and the ak 47 is the Avtomat Kalashnikova model 1947
@twitchypj Reliability is more important than accuracy in an average combat situation. The longer range of the M16 isnt an advantage in close combat, and close combat is where the AK exceeds. Having an accurate gun gives you no advantage if you get a click instead of bang, and your opponent (with an AK) shoots you, because his gun doesnt fail to fire...There you go.
@dead0piggy No, it's different assault rifle, the evolution. For example: it has 5.45x39 bullet, ak47 has 7.62X39. It's like all US rifles call M16
@UseUrHead503 Not to mention better stopping power, better reliability, longer service life of parts and easier maintenance.
@xxXfanosXxx Acutally that problem was fixed once they replaced the ball powder with the original DuPont IMR powder that Stoner told the military to use.
Oh and by the way, don't confuse the fact that just because we called it an operation, doesn't mean it wasn't a front. Look at Operation Overlord, or Operation Torch. Both were called operation, and both opened new fronts.
@SibirianHusk A true military weapon that does not give up I like the 5.56 Ak 101 or 5.45 AK 74 versions lower recoil improved accuracy. The M16 gives up when you really need it.
@Cowbelltheoneandonly oh yeah wrong thing for the p90 :P sorry bout that but the ar 15 was the development of the 5.56 nato not the m16. the galil assault rifle uses the .223 cal (5.56mm nato) but is not based off of the m16. the g36, one of the best assault rifles in the world, is definitely not based off of the m16. the m16 always jammed in the humid jungles of vietnam and sandy conditions of the open oasis areas. the ak 47 isn't accurate but the ak74 can even be used with a scope(accurate).
@Daynknight1001 The ACR can be modified to fire 7.62x39 ammunition, but comes standard in 5.56mm.
The AK series, as the sound of that rifle going off is a "LOT SCARIER" as the pitch of the 5.45X39mm has a very noticeable difference from 5.56X45mm.
@rockyson990 FFS.. You can't compare the AK-47 with the M16A4 system. The original M16 needed lots of upgrades before it was even slightly reliably. And there we have the "new" M16 with is in use today. Same with the AK-47. The AK-47 was quickly proven to be full of design errors and it was made in 3 versions. AK-47 I, AK-47 II and AK-47 III. The flaws were improved and the AKM was made. Production of the AKM was much easier than the AK-47 and it was produced in a much larger number.
accuracy, velocity and weight goes to the M-16
action reliability, service length, jam resistance, fully automatic fire, ease of cleaning, projectile power and resistance to have catastrophic failure when fired from the water goes to the AK-47
@ramb0nat0r You know from just a picture... an M4 and a Car-15 would be hard to distinguish! BUT since it says m16a2 CARBINE you can assume its closer to a Car-15 since an M4 is a redesigned gun... the Car-15 is just a shortened m-16!
@RevitalizedVessel a lot of minor things, such as shape of hammer, size of sear, delta ring, and gas rod.
@kroate100 The STG44 and AK47 are completely different in design. They just follow a similar concept.
@Slajjin ive seen afghans only clean and ak47 once every 3months and they still work. with M16 we stopped and cleaned them almost everyday (thats dessert warfare for you)
The ak47 is a treu battle rifle. what i mean by that is it was meant for War its was meant to survive in any enviroment. the M16 was just meant to be light weight
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@dnlcod3dnl because of the lighter projectile with a large brass compared to its size. but be careful, over long distances the .223 round will tend to float around and lose accuracy. (windy scenario) :D
@SamZig In my opinion, both are equally lethal. But, The lethality of the weapon isnt located in the weapon or the ammo, but in the person behind it. A well trained individual with the "Dangerous lego toy" would win out against some random guy with an AK. Vice versa with the AK. But, when it comes down to TWO well trained individuals, it would be an even fight.
@dnlcod3dnl of course it does that to every single round, but the heaver the round the less the wind has an effect on the projectile (.223 is a shit load lighter then the .308) . and it is a .223 projectile THAT IS ITS CALIBER! just like .243, .308, .222, .22.
@annihiliaticJC
The rifle later in the video is an ak-74, at the start it is a krinkov.
@Thorkil0861 small correction, dear lad. it is the 5.45x39mm, not the 5.56X39mm.
@Caseyr0206 Yea my uncle told me when he was in vietnam he was tired of the m16 jamming,Very frequent cleaning ect. and he picked up an AK-47.That AK-47 brought him back home safely 2 years later and he had it until his death last year from cancer
@Cowbelltheoneandonly Not to get in this fight but the ak 47 has the more powerful round, so does the a74 (47=7.62x39 74=5.45x39) and the m16 isn't used by the most advanced armies in the world, just some countries and the U.S. If you haven't noticed Germany makes the most advanced stuff, they made: the first bolt action rifle repeater, the first assault rifle stg44, the first caseless ammo (aside from old muzzle-loaders) in the g11, the revolving chamber in the g11, the p90 design, etc
@esh325 they are reliable, but have a strict maintenance routine. Many "owners" of ak's NEVER clean them. they simply dont have the resources. m16's require grease, oil, regular cleaning or the gas systems will foul, in the very least. the ak is a loose tolerance weapon, and that looseness is what allows it to digest dirt, grime, smurfs, whatever is in the way and still fire each and every time you pull the trigger. m16's are by far more accurate, but not more reliable.
@Insert1name1here
It is very important, but, for example, if you have long barrel with bad locking mechanism and bad bullet design, you basically have a very bad and inaccurate piece of weapon.
About handling, I found that AK-74 and M-16A2 are pretty much on the same level. I fired weapons at single shot for comparing accuracy; and for handling comparison, AK-74 at full auto while M-16A2 at three round burst only cause it doesn't have full auto option.
Calm, boys. ^__^
What matters is that both rifles series are beautiful!
The Tantal is an AK 74, the only difference is the gas tube is different. 5.45 is longer but I never said wider because it isn't. I guess I'll send you some videos showing the AK 47 shot at those ranges and yes I will now upload the video I made last night of me field stripping my AK 74. By the way, before I got my Tantal, the only AKs I shot were 47s.
@brox114 It's perfectly curcial for accuracy. But the M-16 has been proven to have better accuracy. BUT, thats for trained operators of the weapon, the AK has far better handling, so in universal hands, it can be fired accurately a lot easier than the M-16
@Cowbelltheoneandonly if the ar15 was never used in the U.S. army, we could've won the vietnam war, even though it had barely anything to do with the U.S. as we sort of butted in on the other countries problems which we were specifically told not too, and somewhere in a treaty made after the effects of WW2. the ak74 doesn't just tumble like the .223, it completely hooks, end over end when it hits any surface and when contacting an enemy straight on, can exit out the the side, deep & un-healable.
@B1UExN1NJA a Carbine is a shortened weapon. The concept stemming from the 18th century when the idea of the Dragoon came about.
@V219R The only advantage of the AK-74 is it's greater reliability due to a simple design. When it comes to accuracy and handling, the M16 far surpasses the AK-74 - and a well tended M16 won't jam or malfunction any more than an AK.
@BMXskateNFLfreak actually the system (AKs) are set to be replaced by the an 94
@BRIKbushcraft Why thank you. And by the way I agree that the AK system is much more reliable than the AR system. I am just saying that if you clean the M16 daily it has a very good reliablity.
@wrexq So would the M16's 5.56 x 45mm NATO round. The 5.56 makes up for being smaller than the .30 cal because when it hits the body the round starts tumbling. However I said mid-high because a .50 cal would split a man in half in one hit.
@quote55 Stopping power, reliability, simplicity, cost efficiency and ease of manufacturing. The accuracy is more than good enough for most combat situations.
They should be comparing the Ak74 to the m16a1. The contemporary to the 47 would be an M14, FAL or G3... Or hell the STG44 which precluded all the prototypes up to the AK46.
Plus cartridge sizes are a big difference in guns back then.
@OlderG0ds when people say ak-47 they usually refer to all russian AK's as a whole, and in that case the russians still do, they use the ak-74m
@TosXMellow what about the TAR-21?
@assym2006 Yeah. I see what you mean. It's really quite funny how famous firearms don't usually have left-handed alternatives. It is a pity. Well, I guess any rifle that is not bullpup can, if you are willing to practice a bit, be left handed as well, as the ejection port is well away from your eye. It would take some getting used to though.
Glad I could have a nice, calm discussion with someone who knows their guns!
@huntdude555 Guys the AK-200 probably won't replace the AK-74M. The AK-200 fires faster, but it doesn't have as far range and is heavier.
@qrkydude3 No, the AK-47 has more stoping power. Its 7.62mm x 5.56mm caliber. Not to mention the AK-47s bullet yaws at the same depth, and has superior hard penetration. Its accuracy isn't even that bad if it is well cleaned, and using optimal ammunition.
@assaultrecon28 wrong they use the tarvor TAR-21 however they make our AR's :/ which makes me really wish we could go back to the beautiful M14
@codynewell7 Wrong the 5.56x45mm will tumble out of a 14.5 inch barrel.
@ak907jk yeah, when i talked about the penetration of the 7.62x39 and trees, the word "ambush" was no where close. unless you got mixed up about trees having bushes. and then i put in a reasonable distance where accuracy what you like so much about the m16 is irrelevant, @ that point in time the two "weapons" are equal. besides the AK-47 will make a better ambush weapon ever the M16 because of its cartridge. higher penetration, the bullet it self is less likely to deflect than the 55 grain 5.56
@Cowbelltheoneandonly i dont know where you got your information from but the 7.62 round has twice the stopping power than the 5.56, but the ak has horrible accuracy
@TaZ101SAGA and this is the crux. i have no doubt that you can go through a few hundred rounds without an issue but only if the m16 is fired in bursts. did you know that during recent operations in Afghanistan and Iraq(2002-2003) controversial complaints we made by us troops about the reliability of their m16a2 and that special ops also companied about their m4's overheating and jamming. its all about sustained fire and thats the joke when it comes to the m16a2lmg.
@RevitalizedVessel the m16a2 is a rifle, not a carbine.
@Sparky2000532 maybe because it has a longer barrel? The 74 is accurate enough, and it has much MUCH less recoil than 16, and it is much reliable than 16, AND, the 5.45 is much better than 5.56.
@EradicatingWarlock
This is about AK74, not AK47. Two very different weapons in terms of accuracy, recoil and energy.
What you say applies to AK47 only.
@TaZ101SAGA The AK is more of a machine gun rather than an assault rifle. Anyways, the M16s bullet does more flesh damage than the ak47s...
@chris96kalonji Your not very smart. The 5.56x45mm NATO does mid-high damage because when it hits the body it starts to tumble which cause almost as much damage as the fatter 7.62x31mm round. However this tumbling effect shortens the rounds penetration ability.
@dnlcod3dnl
M-16A2 should be more accurate than M-16A1 used in Vietnam because of better locking system and thicker (heavier) barrel. That means that AK-74 is more accurate than any existing M-16 version. Max. effective range of both rifles is around 500m.
...and just to mention, I used M193 and M855 5,56 bullets (M193 was little bit more accurate at closer range up to 100m, but M855 is more accurete at longer ranges). As far as goes for AK-74, I used 7N10 rounds.
@fmpanic000 Wind does that to every single round. By the way, do not call it the .223 caliber.
My WASR must be defective because I was hitting targets at 200 and 300 yards and it hasn't jammed yet despite having a few hundred rounds through it. CAI doesn't make the best stuff but they work most of the time. Don't recommend them though.
@k3n11 they fire similar calibers and were put into service at relatively the same time
@planetofthescums
The AK47's round is much heavier and therefore does not tumble as much when it enters a person.
@redsoxandme Metal you mean, and that's besides the point. The m-16 is a piece of junk because of the direct gas impingement it uses. The AK-47 uses a gas piston, which makes it extremely reliable, but also increases its weight. The AK-47 is also horribly inaccurate, its barrel bends when fired, but considering soviet army doctrine (high volumes of fire from massed troops) it wasn't too much of a problem.
Despite popular believe Avtomat Kalashnikova- 47 was NOT in the Vietnam war, the type 56 and the AKM (the akm was used near the end of the war as it was starting to replace the type 56) were used in Vietnam.also the m16a1, the only reason the type 56 and AKM were better, was because the m16a1 was not meant for jungle warfare and often jammed cause of humidity, and lack of instructions on how to clean it.The m16a1 was not a bad gun for its time, however it was the wrong gun for the Vietnam war .
@brox114 Unfortunatly the accuracy is wrong, but that's not really the weapon systems fault, it just has a far shorter barrel. the AK can beat the M-16 in almost every field, and its effective range is just within that of what over 80% of armed encounters happen.
@assaultrecon28 well i know they used to designate people with SMG's but im guessing that concept has been long deceased but for close quarters i mean you can always use the sidearm truely i hate it though because everyone thinks that that one soldier is like the rest of them and cant handle a full auto 308 too well whichif he can he has that great advantage if not then he can think of some other weapon he can use that has good stopping power for close encounters
they both look fancy , but i heard that m16 bullets spread in body causing dammage , but AK is way easier to clean and it works better in bad weather conditions -- sorry for bad spelling
@barrybolton Lol, i love Mosin's, i have one, but simply put it you would be very outgunned in close quarter combat, bearing in mind pretty much everyone uses automatic rifles these days.
I favor the TAR, it has M16 accuracy with rivaling AK-47 reliability. Not to mention it's compact.
@paunmarko nah. newer russian guns outclass it in every way and america is beginning to make some pretty rugged efficient guns.
The AK is just fine at what it is made to do: Be an assault rifle. And most battles occur within 400 yards (urban)... They have even been used as a close(r) range sniper rifle. It also depends on what the solder was trained to use and how to use it.
It's a toss up between the 2. The AK has the deadly lay down power and doesn't really require accuracy to be effective and its built to withstand harsh envirements to prevent jamming & other failures. The M16 has great accuracy over medium/long range combat where the AK is really only meant for close/medium range combat although the modifications to the AK today have changed this to being useable at any range. Also the M16 has a lower recoil so it'll have time to pin point distant targets.
@xboxfisher50 Dude im just talking about how the soldiers in Vietnam used to say "You Can Tell It's Mattel", because of its Plastic Components, *MEANING* that the M16 was more of a toy than a rifle, and the M16's unreliability in combat, I have no clue what your comparing my statement to
@1nakey1 Buddy, i am a die hard Kalashnikov fan, so i dont know what 'keep your M16' is supposed to mean. However, I do recognize the effectiveness of a properly maintained AR-15 style weapon and i do have respect for them, they are most likely the best ergonomically designed assault rifle in the world. In my opinion, Kalashnikov weapons will always have more pro's than cons.