Make it a combo. Ruger 10/22 and 9mm pistol when small game hunting is primary and self-defense is secondary. AR15 and 22lr pistol when self-defense is primary and small game hunting is secondary.
Where do you find all this wild game? I'm farther north than Boise but I've day-hiked a lot in the southern panhandle and I went out well beyond trailheads and I saw one cow moose with calf and one elk which was within a mile of civilization. I see game around residences but not in the back country. I see some black bear signs but only in canyon areas. I have lots of ground squirrels and see occasional tree squirrels and lots of deer, near my residence, but I can see houses from parts of my property. If the grid went down there would be little refrigeration so how would people keep what they shot. In that case cattle will be shot, also, but same problem--refrigeration. And though it may be possible to dry meat over a woodstove when it's cold, I don't see people spending time in the summer drying meat. You can pressure can it in the winter. The supressor is a good idea but for me at 78, it would take awhile to get ATF approval, so I'd probably wing it with the time I had. You definitely have good knowledge on those firearms. Is packing into the back country to survive plausible? Dangerous country. Thanks for your presentation.
That's exactly what I like to bring with me when camping out for weeks or even months. Don't think I'll be shooting any humans, but I sure as hell will be hunting and plinking.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one that keeps a .22lr pistol for small game hunting. I used to keep a ruger mkIV but I love the taurus tx22 competition. It's incredibly accurate and light and seems to have less failures than the ruger.
Agreed! I'm a firearms instructor & bought a standard TX22 after the start of this ammo shortage to practice with and use for classes, it's been an awesome little performer. Superbly accurate and extremely reliable! Only time I've had ANY malfunctions has been when using lubed/waxed ammo that I didn't clean off well enough. Best semi-auto 22lr pistol on the market currently, imo.
I have a Henry 22 with a 2-7 Vortex scope. It has been super accurate. 50yd shot are easy. I have used it for squirrels, coyotes, and one rabid skunk on the ranch.
Great to see you guys giving the .22LR some love - it is still a very useful cartridge, and everyone should own at least one (if not several) options chambered in it. Love my T/CR22 with a Magpul Hunter stock and Primary Arms SLX RDS. It's so damn accurate it feels like cheating on squirrels.
I chose to go with an AR and a CMMG .22 conversion kit. The kit is compact, lightweight, and has worked reliably for the many years that I've owned it. In my rifle, I am able to keep all shots within the size of squirrels head easily out to 50yds using the conversion kit. Separating the upper from the lower allows storage of rifle in a larger backpack, and the ubiquity of the AR platform means that accessories are abundant, such as optics, furniture, slings, and even suppressors. And by popping the rear pin, I can put the 5.56 bcg back in, slap in a magazine, and I have a rifle that is capable of security duty as well as taking medium sized game.
I think for a true survival scenario, with the context of grabbing some gear and setting out on foot, the 22lr pistol being smaller, lighter, and being immediately accessible on the hip makes it the superior choice to a 22lr rifle. If you're in a scenario like I'm referring to then you're almost certainly not going to be taking more than one long-arm; pretty much anyone who thinks they will have two rifles slung over their shoulder hasn't marched a few miles through woods with this hypothetic setup. A 22lr rifle that stows away in the backpack isn't immediately accessible if game is spotted and the rifle isn't already out and deployed, and if game is spotted then any primary long gun (think AR15) would have to be slung aside or set down to then utilize the 22lr rifle. Not to mention, the amount of space taken up by a 22lr rifle in a pack is quite a lot, and every pound dropped by going to a pistol instead of a rifle can be better utilized by brining different gear (rope, tinder, food, just having your total pack be lighter and therefore save on calories being burned, etc).
The 22 LR pistol or revolver is more practical for me, a retired senior, to carry than a 22 rifle if I have to travel from one location to another on foot frequently. My SHTF is the Ruger Mark III.
Modified Ruger 1022 is so easy to take apart and break down and fit into a tiny backpack. Unbelievably accurate for a long range shooting. I’ve been deer hunting with them since I was a kid. I love it the cheapest most effective rifle I own. I would choose that all day long. Also a break action 556 is pretty slick too. But I can bring 10,000 rounds at 22 without it being a big deal. I keep 10,000 rounds and a 1022 broken down and stowed away hidden in my truck at all times. That’s hypothetically 10,000 squirrels
I run gray squirrels with hounds in far NorCal. I’ve been rocking a scoped Ruger Mark III target pistol with the 5.5 barrel and I can smack squirrels out of trees out to 100 yards pretty consistently. It doesn’t weight much less than my scoped Mossberg 702 plinkster, but smaller package and easier to chase the hounds with.
My personal favorite .22 is the S&W Model 34 or 63 or variants. They’re not necessarily harder to shoot then a semi because both require training. I have speedloaders for mine, but revolvers are not dependent on any loading devices and are not subject to mag malfunctions. True, any firearm, including revolvers can suffer mechanical problems, but the .22 revolver is a viable choice. The Ruger MK series and Brownings are also excellent choices if one chooses a semi auto. The 10/22 is as versatile to the shooting community as the AR and should be in everyone’s collection - which may be the goal for many because they’re seldom found on the shelves anymore. The little Ruger American .22 bolt gun with a decent scope is a tack driver out of the box and a worthy consideration. I’m seriously considering a Winchester Wildcat .22 carbine because they are built to take 10/22 mags and come with features that must be added to a 10/22.
Love it, have two .22lr auto's, one in a short fold up style with a red Dot, 22 round mag's and one in a traditional stock with a small lpvo for hunting as well.
I like the 22 conversion idea but not sold on reliability or customer support from tacsol. 12g chamber adapters would be a cool video idea to explore. Thanks guys
I have one of the Tactical conversions for my Glock 19. It functions fine with quality ammo. When using some of the bulk pack (Winchester white box) I do get malfunctions. It is one of those things that is good in concept, but in reality, it will never be as good as just putting a dedicated .22 in your bag. Knowing what I know now, I would not buy it again. Especially at today's prices. I paid about $200'ish for mine (give or take - don't really recall) - They sell for over $500 from the company - not sure about 3rd party sellers. At $500, I would buy a S&W 317 kit gun revolver. Super light and very solid bag guns. (I have the short barrel one and would like to get the 3" one)
I've done a lot of thinking about this.. for me it's the 22 pistol. Exterior ballistics and ammo quality on that chambering being what they are, even with a nice 10/22 it's just taking pot shots at anything past about 100m. Plus, realistic engagement ranges for small game in my area are more like 10-25m, prime territory for the Mark IV. Paired with a 308 rifle, the 22 pistol seems ideal for wilderness survival. Only issue is two legged mammals...
@@bratanapfel2154 What makes you say that? The fact that his firearm setup is geared towards hunting, or that he's simply acknowledging the fact that his hunting-focused setup isn't ideal for self-defense from other humans?
I have the Tac-Sol X-Ring. My SR22 pistol compliments it very well. It’s a tough choice between the two of I could only have one, but I’d choose the rifle. I have a couple different barrels for it too including a charger barrel. But with the TacSol SBX barrel, I think it probably fits the bill the best.
I feel the extra velocity isn't worth the squeeze so I would advise .22lr pistol. Sure you lose some range capability but I'm not shooting squirrels/rabbits in a survival situation much further than 25 yards so it's a moot point. It also gives me much more room in my pack for other stuff. Suppressed .22lr is the way. 👍
Those are very nice looking rifles but expensive. A standard 10-22 rifle can be converted to a take down using a $125 Promag Archangel QBD stock. It works, is light and is accurate. 12 gauge shotguns are great but heavy and is it the best choice for a squirrel or quail. Ammo is 10 rounds to the pound. 20 gauge is a bit lighter. If a shotgun is a must consider 410 which is about 20 rounds to the pound plus the gun is considerably lighter. 410 4 pellet 000 buck is a good defense load. Still hard to beat 137 rounds of 22lr to the pound. 37 rounds to the pound for 9mm and 5.56x45. Weight matters.
Good choices, when I think wilderness survival I think about my grandpa who always carried a .30 caliber rifle, a.22lr pistol, and a knife. Casters Cutthroats and many outdoorsman from that era did just fine with a .22 for small game.
If we're talking best .22 "survival" firearms, then I would chose a Ruger Super Single Six Convertible .22s-l-lr / .22wmr. with a 9.50" barrel for the following reasons: 1: It can fire .22 short, .22 long, .22 long rifle cartridges , as well as specialty cartridges like the Aguila Colibri and Super Colibri, and the #12 .22lr shot-shells. And it can also fire .22mwr ( Winchester Magnum Rimfire) cartridges. So if you end up having to scrounge for ammunition, you'll have more of a change of finding ammunition for your firearm. 2: It's small enough to be carried in a shoulder holster under your shirt or coat, or inside a rucksack or backpack, keeping it out of sight. 3: The 9.50" barrel gives you a longer sight radius than normal size .22 handguns, making it easier to hit what you're aiming for. 4: The Ruger Super Single Six Convertible is going to function just fine no matter that .22lr brand or brand variant you use. It's not "ammo sensitive". 5: It's also easy to clean and maintain.
I have both and have been using both for small game hunting for 30 years now. The rifle gives you more range than the pistol. My 10/22 has the Sweet 22 scope and it makes hits out to 150 yards easy. It's not survival if you do it in your daily life.
greatest advantage of the pistols IMO is that even supersonic loads tend to come out of them subsonic so you get away with lower ammo costs and much better ammo availability
I have a Smith and Wesson MP15-22 and honestly its such a monster. Will shoot any ammo. My country does not allow for citizens to own semi auto "large calibres" like 223 and 556 so it is the only weapon i have for defence and with higher velocity ammo like CCI its better than nothing.
You could buy one TS gun or for the same price buy two Ruger Takedown 10/22 with the Magpul stock. As for the pistol you could easily buy a Glock G44 (.22 cal) for the same price as the G19 conversion kit from TS. 'Just saying' - for those of us who have limited funds.
I have a Tactical Solutions X-Ring VR 10/22 takedown. I've fashioned a rail on to the barrel with a long eye relief scope. 100 yards consistently hitting a 3" bullseye and a ¾" bullseye at 50 yards. Besides, the accuracy and, in my opinion, the MOST IMPORTANT is the increased reliability over an OEM Ruger 10/22 takedown. While some may question the much higher price tag than an OEM Ruger. My opinion is the old "buy once, cry once" when it comes to survival equipment. If a piece of survival equipment is twice the price as its cheaper counterparts, but the reliability is more than double of the cheaper counterparts, then I see that as a win, and money well spent.
@Predbeau101 Right… cause accidents are incited by your political views, and only leftists accidentally shoot themselves. wtf. I’ve worked with guns before in the military, I’ve always had a respect for their deadliness.
He's not in the line of fire, he's standing literally behind the rifle same as the other guy. Watch closer, no one was in danger other then the guys upstairs.
be sure to actually test your setup instead of just assuming it will all work out. I don't just mean reliability, either. With your rifle signed in for 5.56, where is your 22lr hitting? Is the high height over bore of AR15 sights going to cause you to miss a squirrel sized target at distances you'd be using the rifle to hunt small game? Etc, etc.
Yeah, I got the CMMG conversion with 3 mags. I'm still working on the optic for that particular rifle, but I'll keep that in mind once I get it sighted in.
A bigger concern is lead buildup in your gas tube from using .22lr in a 5.56 gun. If your talking end of days I wouldn't want the toxic mess that is .22lr in my go too rifle when swapping gas tubes is more difficult let alone finding spares. 10/22 is the way.
Like a lot of people, I have both. 10-22 and a Browning Buckmark. I trust them both for performance and accuracy. For a true survival scenario, I'd prefer the pistol and a single shot 12 Guage with a sub cal insert for .22 cal and other common shells. JMHO.
Longevity: self defense and concealed carry instructors recommend a spare mag and quote “#2 point of failure in a firearm is the magazine”. With an external magazine-fed .22s would the springs wear out or plastics crack over the long term? With only a single mag in the stock of the rifle, how would a spare magazines be incorporated?
I chose a Ruger Single Six Combo due to concealability and ability to still collect small game (or pest control) out to about 25 yards. Unfortunately it doesnt take a suppressor. Im getting up there in age to justify "re-tooling" my collection.
Used to have Ruger 10/22 rifle and 6” MkII’s they were my “GoTo” survival guns. Then came the AWB and since Ruger supported it I sold them all and never looked back. There are better options, I got .22lr conversion kits for the firearms I standardized on. Pistol is always a better choice if you want to be low key. Carrying a rifle puts a target on your back because others not knowing your intentions may take action before you can express why you are armed. (SHTF or war zone) if you are “Hunting” odds are nobody’s going to blow you away simply because are in-field = best wear orange😉
I remember an article in the late 80s in Shooting Times magazine titled if you could own just one gun,don't remember who the last one answering the question was but I remember he said...22...rifle.
On an outing you don't need to carry a lot of ammo. One box of bird shot and some slugs go a long long way in use to add protein to your diet. Personally my favorite is a 20ga in the form of the discontinued H&R 20ga Tamer and my old Winchester model 12 20ga pump. The model 12 takes down in half and I've got an canvas case and garbage bag to attach it to my pack. That little 20ga pump can do it on the wing or slug down game. You just don't need a lot of ammo and if you do take along a light 22lr for burning ammo
Idk how long you are considering survival but id probably choose a cz 512 22mag little more power reliable and then you grab a keltec pmr or s&w 30 Also same as a savage 24 22mag over 12 or 20g for just hiking bear defense and can take any big animal with slugs or buckshot
1:30 Good lord.... A $1000+ .22 rifle? I am all for .22's, but I don't know if I would pay that much for one. It is definitely one of the best, but DAMN, haha.
One thing you didn't mention is for a bug out scenario, you can literally carry 10,000 rounds of 22 ammo very easily. Also, you can kill a deer with a 22 if in a situation of starvation versus living. So a 22 is a awesome survival gun!
Rabbits and squirrels are a much better bet, hunting deer or any big game with .22lr is a pipe dream. For 1 you'd have too get pretty close and their likely too be long gone once they catch your smell. Small game hunting is the way.
While all of the examples you have shown are great choices, but I'll stay with my off the shelf 10/22 with a synthetic stock and a high powered scope. I've had it for well over 25 years without one hiccough...
I've got a takedown from when they were new. I put nodak spud A2 style sights on it. GREAT rifle and has killed many pounds of dinner.. Light, compact, and relatively reliable.
FYI- the take down is heavier than the standard lol NO, neither are heavy!!! But still. ALSO you forgot to mention that setup is $1,500-$2,000 bucks haha 😂
Amen. Double the potential power and/or range than .22lr. Ammo is barely larger or heavier, generally more reliable in ignition. Go with a bolt, no need to have auto cycling actions causing problems.
More than likely a great options, but also much more likely to be difficult to fix a jam, keep debris out, and not so easy to take-down. Simplicity is everything in a wilderness situation.
I would not give up my Marlin 81TS Bolt Action, accurate, smooth, not finicky on ammo and shoots shorts/longs/long rifle. No magazines to lose and also can fire Aguila Super Calibri round just fine sounding like a pellet gun.
@@albeebruce5904 Awesome, Congrats! I’m always hoping to stumble onto a second one, just because. Side note: if you are not familiar with Super Calibri ammo it only uses the primer for power, technically for use in revolvers due to shorter barrels (safety issue) but I’ve never had an issue. I practice on ground squirrels and nobody knows.
I bought a Savage takedown .22 for $219.00. I have several .22's rifles and pistols, but for hunting, I'll take a rifle over a pistol every time. I can hit a squirrel sized target with a rifle at 100 yds, I can't do that with a pistol.
If society collapsed then would you rather limit yourself to a 22lr rifle, or would you rather upgrade your long arm to be something more substantial (like an AR15) and have a 22lr pistol as your sidearm? For some people that might be a better option.
@@LawlessNate I have everything I need incase that happens, I am well stocked and prepared for 6 Months of trouble. If China Joe Biden is reading comments, I wear my mask all the time, even in the shower.
Ruger 10/22 16 inch barrel no fake spud sights hogue stock. 10/22 no dak spud sights folding stock. Cz 452 scout very accurate. I shoot wolf target ammo and take the hyper vel ammo for more of a protection role. Looked at getting a 8 inch ruger pistol which would be less weight and more packable. Has anyone ever used the ruger challenger? I had the m6 scout and the tps combo ,22/410. They just never gave good results for me past 15 yards
In what world is a (general) semi-auto easier to shoot than a (general) revolver? There's a heap of downsides to semi-autos for "survival" by comparison.
Wow, Very good vid guy's. As for myself I will carry a Ruger Precision Rifle with many Glock mags and My Ruger Single Ten. I have thought about this a lot and considered my options. I like the 10/22 I have one. But not for survival or a bug out situation.
Dam in the thumbnail I thought Austen was Mike. Seems like all FC employees are slowly merging into the same person. A man with semi long hair wearing some sort of tactics jacket or flannel.
I feel like people carry out a lot of imaginary movie survival scenarios or attribute non-survival experiences as what a realistic survival scenario is like. People are talking scenarios that are more like intentional camping or backpacking trips. You going out on a 30mi hike deciding what you want to carry along isn't a survival scenario. For actual survival I feel like this question has pretty well been answered. I grew up in a poor rural farming area with grandparents who were adults during the great depression. People who actually hunted to provide for themselves didn't use pistols. There is a reason when you look at the family gun collections of rural farm families who aren't gun collectors but have guns as tools you will find almost exclusively long guns with maybe a pistol here and there just to pop snakes when you're out and about tending animals. But when serious matters are happening on the farm and something needs to be dispatched or hunted no one ever grabbed a pistol. You're grabbing the long gun resting in the closet by the door. In fact my grandfather who was also a WW2 vet didn't own a single pistol himself and that wasn't uncommon. People saying "in a survival scenario I'll be shooting within 25 yards". No you won't....not if you're hungry and the only game you can get close to is 50 yards away. You're saying that because you're wanting to justify the pistol. Or you could just use the vastly superior rifle and not be limited to such ranges. .22lr pistols have their place but if you told me I've only got one gun to take me through the rest of my life to provide for me then hand me that Ruger 10/22 every single time.
HOLSTER for Browning Buck Mark? Sorry for the caps. What's a good holster for the 22 pistol? Tired of carrying it around when I need it in a pouch... rather have it on a chest rig or hip/belt. Thanks! Was out tonight on my property for a few hours hunting a predator that was trying g to kill my barn cats. That little Buck Mark gets heavy when i just had wrist surgery.
It helps if you have a light rail because then you can mount an x300 too it and use a universal holster like standard co's universal x300 holster. Fantastic option for any gun that doesn't need a retention based holster.b
Make it a combo. Ruger 10/22 and 9mm pistol when small game hunting is primary and self-defense is secondary. AR15 and 22lr pistol when self-defense is primary and small game hunting is secondary.
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Where do you find all this wild game? I'm farther north than Boise but I've day-hiked a lot in the southern panhandle and I went out well beyond trailheads and I saw one cow moose with calf and one elk which was within a mile of civilization. I see game around residences but not in the back country. I see some black bear signs but only in canyon areas. I have lots of ground squirrels and see occasional tree squirrels and lots of deer, near my residence, but I can see houses from parts of my property. If the grid went down there would be little refrigeration so how would people keep what they shot. In that case cattle will be shot, also, but same problem--refrigeration. And though it may be possible to dry meat over a woodstove when it's cold, I don't see people spending time in the summer drying meat. You can pressure can it in the winter. The supressor is a good idea but for me at 78, it would take awhile to get ATF approval, so I'd probably wing it with the time I had. You definitely have good knowledge on those firearms.
Is packing into the back country to survive plausible? Dangerous country.
Thanks for your presentation.
That's exactly what I like to bring with me when camping out for weeks or even months. Don't think I'll be shooting any humans, but I sure as hell will be hunting and plinking.
I have a 22lr ar and a pistol in 9mm I’m satisfied.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5uhe did say for small game
I'm glad that I'm not the only one that keeps a .22lr pistol for small game hunting. I used to keep a ruger mkIV but I love the taurus tx22 competition. It's incredibly accurate and light and seems to have less failures than the ruger.
Agreed! I'm a firearms instructor & bought a standard TX22 after the start of this ammo shortage to practice with and use for classes, it's been an awesome little performer. Superbly accurate and extremely reliable! Only time I've had ANY malfunctions has been when using lubed/waxed ammo that I didn't clean off well enough. Best semi-auto 22lr pistol on the market currently, imo.
I went with a Buckmark and am very pleased with it.
@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 Hard choice between my Buckmark and Ruger Mark III.
Both accurate and reliable wilderness survival pistols.
I have a Henry 22 with a 2-7 Vortex scope. It has been super accurate. 50yd shot are easy. I have used it for squirrels, coyotes, and one rabid skunk on the ranch.
Great to see you guys giving the .22LR some love - it is still a very useful cartridge, and everyone should own at least one (if not several) options chambered in it. Love my T/CR22 with a Magpul Hunter stock and Primary Arms SLX RDS. It's so damn accurate it feels like cheating on squirrels.
I chose to go with an AR and a CMMG .22 conversion kit. The kit is compact, lightweight, and has worked reliably for the many years that I've owned it. In my rifle, I am able to keep all shots within the size of squirrels head easily out to 50yds using the conversion kit. Separating the upper from the lower allows storage of rifle in a larger backpack, and the ubiquity of the AR platform means that accessories are abundant, such as optics, furniture, slings, and even suppressors. And by popping the rear pin, I can put the 5.56 bcg back in, slap in a magazine, and I have a rifle that is capable of security duty as well as taking medium sized game.
I think for a true survival scenario, with the context of grabbing some gear and setting out on foot, the 22lr pistol being smaller, lighter, and being immediately accessible on the hip makes it the superior choice to a 22lr rifle. If you're in a scenario like I'm referring to then you're almost certainly not going to be taking more than one long-arm; pretty much anyone who thinks they will have two rifles slung over their shoulder hasn't marched a few miles through woods with this hypothetic setup. A 22lr rifle that stows away in the backpack isn't immediately accessible if game is spotted and the rifle isn't already out and deployed, and if game is spotted then any primary long gun (think AR15) would have to be slung aside or set down to then utilize the 22lr rifle. Not to mention, the amount of space taken up by a 22lr rifle in a pack is quite a lot, and every pound dropped by going to a pistol instead of a rifle can be better utilized by brining different gear (rope, tinder, food, just having your total pack be lighter and therefore save on calories being burned, etc).
The 22 LR pistol or revolver is more practical for me, a retired senior, to carry than a 22 rifle if I have to travel from one location to another on foot frequently. My SHTF is the Ruger Mark III.
Marlin 60 is sweet too. The 22 caliber fits a lot of round pegs into many holes.
I went with 22 mag, both rifle and pistol, so much fun.
I do a lot of roaming with a 12g shotgun and ruger mark 4. Feel like I can take down anything in North America with that combo
Modified Ruger 1022 is so easy to take apart and break down and fit into a tiny backpack. Unbelievably accurate for a long range shooting. I’ve been deer hunting with them since I was a kid. I love it the cheapest most effective rifle I own. I would choose that all day long. Also a break action 556 is pretty slick too. But I can bring 10,000 rounds at 22 without it being a big deal. I keep 10,000 rounds and a 1022 broken down and stowed away hidden in my truck at all times. That’s hypothetically 10,000 squirrels
What's your 22 build?
Wrist rocket/slingshot is an awesome survival must have. Should make a video on it. There are some awesome set up out there.
I have the OD Green Magpul Ruger 10/22 Takedown….it is awesome. Highly recommend.
I run gray squirrels with hounds in far NorCal. I’ve been rocking a scoped Ruger Mark III target pistol with the 5.5 barrel and I can smack squirrels out of trees out to 100 yards pretty consistently. It doesn’t weight much less than my scoped Mossberg 702 plinkster, but smaller package and easier to chase the hounds with.
My personal favorite .22 is the S&W Model 34 or 63 or variants. They’re not necessarily harder to shoot then a semi because both require training. I have speedloaders for mine, but revolvers are not dependent on any loading devices and are not subject to mag malfunctions. True, any firearm, including revolvers can suffer mechanical problems, but the .22 revolver is a viable choice. The Ruger MK series and Brownings are also excellent choices if one chooses a semi auto. The 10/22 is as versatile to the shooting community as the AR and should be in everyone’s collection - which may be the goal for many because they’re seldom found on the shelves anymore. The little Ruger American .22 bolt gun with a decent scope is a tack driver out of the box and a worthy consideration. I’m seriously considering a Winchester Wildcat .22 carbine because they are built to take 10/22 mags and come with features that must be added to a 10/22.
Love it, have two .22lr auto's, one in a short fold up style with a red Dot, 22 round mag's and one in a traditional stock with a small lpvo for hunting as well.
I like the 22 conversion idea but not sold on reliability or customer support from tacsol. 12g chamber adapters would be a cool video idea to explore. Thanks guys
I have one of the Tactical conversions for my Glock 19.
It functions fine with quality ammo. When using some of the bulk pack (Winchester white box) I do get malfunctions.
It is one of those things that is good in concept, but in reality, it will never be as good as just putting a dedicated .22 in your bag. Knowing what I know now, I would not buy it again. Especially at today's prices.
I paid about $200'ish for mine (give or take - don't really recall) - They sell for over $500 from the company - not sure about 3rd party sellers. At $500, I would buy a S&W 317 kit gun revolver. Super light and very solid bag guns. (I have the short barrel one and would like to get the 3" one)
I've done a lot of thinking about this.. for me it's the 22 pistol. Exterior ballistics and ammo quality on that chambering being what they are, even with a nice 10/22 it's just taking pot shots at anything past about 100m. Plus, realistic engagement ranges for small game in my area are more like 10-25m, prime territory for the Mark IV. Paired with a 308 rifle, the 22 pistol seems ideal for wilderness survival. Only issue is two legged mammals...
Psycho.
@@bratanapfel2154 What makes you say that? The fact that his firearm setup is geared towards hunting, or that he's simply acknowledging the fact that his hunting-focused setup isn't ideal for self-defense from other humans?
Guess that would depend upon the .308 rifle your carrying. Bolt gun? Maybe an issue. Battle rifle? Less of an issue.
I have the Tac-Sol X-Ring. My SR22 pistol compliments it very well. It’s a tough choice between the two of I could only have one, but I’d choose the rifle. I have a couple different barrels for it too including a charger barrel. But with the TacSol SBX barrel, I think it probably fits the bill the best.
I feel the extra velocity isn't worth the squeeze so I would advise .22lr pistol. Sure you lose some range capability but I'm not shooting squirrels/rabbits in a survival situation much further than 25 yards so it's a moot point. It also gives me much more room in my pack for other stuff. Suppressed .22lr is the way. 👍
Very good discussion guys!! Definitely something to think about.
Ruger Single SIx pistol with a spare .22 MAG cylinder. Reliable, concealable, portable and no magazines to lose.
Yes the single 6 stainless I bought when they first came on the market excellent firearm .😊
Those are very nice looking rifles but expensive. A standard 10-22 rifle can be converted to a take down using a $125 Promag Archangel QBD stock. It works, is light and is accurate. 12 gauge shotguns are great but heavy and is it the best choice for a squirrel or quail. Ammo is 10 rounds to the pound. 20 gauge is a bit lighter. If a shotgun is a must consider 410 which is about 20 rounds to the pound plus the gun is considerably lighter. 410 4 pellet 000 buck is a good defense load. Still hard to beat 137 rounds of 22lr to the pound. 37 rounds to the pound for 9mm and 5.56x45. Weight matters.
Good choices, when I think wilderness survival I think about my grandpa who always carried a .30 caliber rifle, a.22lr pistol, and a knife. Casters Cutthroats and many outdoorsman from that era did just fine with a .22 for small game.
If we're talking best .22 "survival" firearms, then I would chose a Ruger Super Single Six Convertible .22s-l-lr / .22wmr. with a 9.50" barrel for the following reasons:
1: It can fire .22 short, .22 long, .22 long rifle cartridges , as well as specialty cartridges like the Aguila Colibri and Super Colibri, and the #12 .22lr shot-shells. And it can also fire .22mwr ( Winchester Magnum Rimfire) cartridges. So if you end up having to scrounge for ammunition, you'll have more of a change of finding ammunition for your firearm.
2: It's small enough to be carried in a shoulder holster under your shirt or coat, or inside a rucksack or backpack, keeping it out of sight.
3: The 9.50" barrel gives you a longer sight radius than normal size .22 handguns, making it easier to hit what you're aiming for.
4: The Ruger Super Single Six Convertible is going to function just fine no matter that .22lr brand or brand variant you use. It's not "ammo sensitive".
5: It's also easy to clean and maintain.
10/22 is highly under rated.
The 10/22 is a very utilitarian firearm, but I don't know where you get the idea that it's underrated. Its praises are sung most everywhere.
I have both and have been using both for small game hunting for 30 years now. The rifle gives you more range than the pistol. My 10/22 has the Sweet 22 scope and it makes hits out to 150 yards easy. It's not survival if you do it in your daily life.
I will go with my Ruger 10/22 & my Ruger Mark IV 22/45 target pistol any day!!!!!
I have a CMMG bolt for my AR so I can carry my regular AR and throw in the .22 bolt and a thousand rounds of .22 and never even know it's in my pack.
greatest advantage of the pistols IMO is that even supersonic loads tend to come out of them subsonic so you get away with lower ammo costs and much better ammo availability
Austin's rifle barrel pointing near Kevin's head scared me a bit. Be safe yalls! 😅
I have a Smith and Wesson MP15-22 and honestly its such a monster. Will shoot any ammo. My country does not allow for citizens to own semi auto "large calibres" like 223 and 556 so it is the only weapon i have for defence and with higher velocity ammo like CCI its better than nothing.
Yes, still lethal and those are fine guns.
You could buy one TS gun or for the same price buy two Ruger Takedown 10/22 with the Magpul stock. As for the pistol you could easily buy a Glock G44 (.22 cal) for the same price as the G19 conversion kit from TS. 'Just saying' - for those of us who have limited funds.
I have a Tactical Solutions X-Ring VR 10/22 takedown. I've fashioned a rail on to the barrel with a long eye relief scope. 100 yards consistently hitting a 3" bullseye and a ¾" bullseye at 50 yards. Besides, the accuracy and, in my opinion, the MOST IMPORTANT is the increased reliability over an OEM Ruger 10/22 takedown. While some may question the much higher price tag than an OEM Ruger. My opinion is the old "buy once, cry once" when it comes to survival equipment. If a piece of survival equipment is twice the price as its cheaper counterparts, but the reliability is more than double of the cheaper counterparts, then I see that as a win, and money well spent.
Did you change your build?
@IforgorSkullemoji No, I still have it, why?
For a SHTF survival situation, either wilderness OR urban, I say carry a .22lr pistol, AND a .22lr rifle. Semi auto pistol, bolt/lever action rifle.
Ruger 22/45 suppressed (Gemtech) and a Marlin Papoose. Midwest. Very happy.
This was an awesome video loaded with great info. Hope Austin's well! Take care!
I was shooting my buck mark at 50 yards the other day. They are great.
1:52 I know y’all don’t have it loaded, but my heart sped up a bit.
Looked like he almost smacked him too.
@Predbeau101 Right… cause accidents are incited by your political views, and only leftists accidentally shoot themselves. wtf. I’ve worked with guns before in the military, I’ve always had a respect for their deadliness.
@Predbeau101 lmao ok Karen.
He's not in the line of fire, he's standing literally behind the rifle same as the other guy. Watch closer, no one was in danger other then the guys upstairs.
@@braxtonnelson7976 I know, that why I said “a bit”
I was half watching saw that, looked, and laughed at myself. But thanks y’all for the help.
I picked up a 22lr Conversion for my AR, but I've always wanted a 10/22. Such an amazing firearm!
I was looking to buy one as well from Palmetto State Armory I know it's on sale for $170 (bolt & 3 mags)
@@Frank7G someone else, i think primary arms, has it for 160 cutrently
be sure to actually test your setup instead of just assuming it will all work out. I don't just mean reliability, either. With your rifle signed in for 5.56, where is your 22lr hitting? Is the high height over bore of AR15 sights going to cause you to miss a squirrel sized target at distances you'd be using the rifle to hunt small game? Etc, etc.
Yeah, I got the CMMG conversion with 3 mags.
I'm still working on the optic for that particular rifle, but I'll keep that in mind once I get it sighted in.
A bigger concern is lead buildup in your gas tube from using .22lr in a 5.56 gun. If your talking end of days I wouldn't want the toxic mess that is .22lr in my go too rifle when swapping gas tubes is more difficult let alone finding spares. 10/22 is the way.
Yep. I keep a .22 conversation upper for my EAA Witness 9mm in my pack. 200 rds and 2-10 rd mags.
Like a lot of people, I have both. 10-22 and a Browning Buckmark. I trust them both for performance and accuracy. For a true survival scenario, I'd prefer the pistol and a single shot 12 Guage with a sub cal insert for .22 cal and other common shells. JMHO.
Great video.... And great options. Well done. 😎👍
GREAT review and information!
Black Rain Ordnance BRO-22 Hunter Rimfire Semi-Auto Rifle
About 1/3 of the price of the x-ring
Longevity: self defense and concealed carry instructors recommend a spare mag and quote “#2 point of failure in a firearm is the magazine”. With an external magazine-fed .22s would the springs wear out or plastics crack over the long term? With only a single mag in the stock of the rifle, how would a spare magazines be incorporated?
Just carrying another mag. That stock can hold 3, he just finds it more beneficial too keep more ammo vaccum sealed than in a 10 Rd mag.
Always the best content.
I chose a Ruger Single Six Combo due to concealability and ability to still collect small game (or pest control) out to about 25 yards. Unfortunately it doesnt take a suppressor. Im getting up there in age to justify "re-tooling" my collection.
Used to have Ruger 10/22 rifle and 6” MkII’s they were my “GoTo” survival guns. Then came the AWB and since Ruger supported it I sold them all and never looked back.
There are better options, I got .22lr conversion kits for the firearms I standardized on.
Pistol is always a better choice if you want to be low key.
Carrying a rifle puts a target on your back because others not knowing your intentions may take action before you can express why you are armed. (SHTF or war zone) if you are “Hunting” odds are nobody’s going to blow you away simply because are in-field = best wear orange😉
Bolt gun...simple...moderated super quiet just the firing pin falling..more reliable...
Mount whatever sights on barrel so no zero loss on takedown.
No zero loss on the takedown models either, optics are mounted onto the receiver.
I remember an article in the late 80s in Shooting Times magazine titled if you could own just one gun,don't remember who the last one answering the question was but I remember he said...22...rifle.
On an outing you don't need to carry a lot of ammo. One box of bird shot and some slugs go a long long way in use to add protein to your diet. Personally my favorite is a 20ga in the form of the discontinued H&R 20ga Tamer and my old Winchester model 12 20ga pump. The model 12 takes down in half and I've got an canvas case and garbage bag to attach it to my pack. That little 20ga pump can do it on the wing or slug down game. You just don't need a lot of ammo and if you do take along a light 22lr for burning ammo
Idk how long you are considering survival but id probably choose a cz 512 22mag little more power reliable and then you grab a keltec pmr or s&w 30
Also same as a savage 24 22mag over 12 or 20g for just hiking bear defense and can take any big animal with slugs or buckshot
Savage 64 Precision FDE .22 LR Semi Auto Rifle 20 Rounds
$265
1:30 Good lord.... A $1000+ .22 rifle? I am all for .22's, but I don't know if I would pay that much for one. It is definitely one of the best, but DAMN, haha.
I have a .22 bolt carrier group and mag that I can swap in to my AR..another great option
One thing you didn't mention is for a bug out scenario, you can literally carry 10,000 rounds of 22 ammo very easily. Also, you can kill a deer with a 22 if in a situation of starvation versus living. So a 22 is a awesome survival gun!
Rabbits and squirrels are a much better bet, hunting deer or any big game with .22lr is a pipe dream. For 1 you'd have too get pretty close and their likely too be long gone once they catch your smell. Small game hunting is the way.
Great info! Thanks much!
Great information guys
While all of the examples you have shown are great choices, but I'll stay with my off the shelf 10/22 with a synthetic stock and a high powered scope. I've had it for well over 25 years without one hiccough...
I've got a takedown from when they were new. I put nodak spud A2 style sights on it. GREAT rifle and has killed many pounds of dinner.. Light, compact, and relatively reliable.
FYI- the take down is heavier than the standard lol NO, neither are heavy!!! But still. ALSO you forgot to mention that setup is $1,500-$2,000 bucks haha 😂
Vey good points guys, but be careful with sharing links to firearms parts stores, TH-cam doesn’t like it
Bolt action 22lrs. Another advantage 22quite rounds.
Just like a revolver, it's not ammo sensitive.
Very informative! Thanks. 👍
I remember asking Kevin this question in one of his lives a couple weeks ago.
22 pistol or 22 rifle
My pick would always be a 22Mag Rifle.
My pick would be salvage A17.Tack driver.......
Amen. Double the potential power and/or range than .22lr. Ammo is barely larger or heavier, generally more reliable in ignition. Go with a bolt, no need to have auto cycling actions causing problems.
How about a lever action 22?
More than likely a great options, but also much more likely to be difficult to fix a jam, keep debris out, and not so easy to take-down. Simplicity is everything in a wilderness situation.
I would not give up my Marlin 81TS Bolt Action, accurate, smooth, not finicky on ammo and shoots shorts/longs/long rifle. No magazines to lose and also can fire Aguila Super Calibri round just fine sounding like a pellet gun.
One of the best rifles I have. My dad has had it over 20+ years and finally handed it to me 😎
@@albeebruce5904 Awesome, Congrats! I’m always hoping to stumble onto a second one, just because. Side note: if you are not familiar with Super Calibri ammo it only uses the primer for power, technically for use in revolvers due to shorter barrels (safety issue) but I’ve never had an issue. I practice on ground squirrels and nobody knows.
.22. Nothing like a .22 for survival... great content.
What are your thoughts on lever action rifles?
They are awesome. 🤷♂️ Just make sure you buy a reputable brand and do your research.
Really nice breakdown
Thank you 😊
Ruger 10/22 charger pistol with a stock...
Big brain move right there
Great info and video. Get well savage!!
I personally like my M6 22/410
Ruger Charger with a red dot!
Thank You 😊
yes, but the slide assembly costs just as much in a lot of cases more than the actual glock complete pistol
Don't forget the water tight compartment in the grip.
If I had to choose, I'd pick the rifle. The only circumstance that favors the pistol is in a non permissive area such as a big city.
Deuce deuce is a definite need to have firearm.
I bought a Savage takedown .22 for $219.00. I have several .22's rifles and pistols, but for hunting, I'll take a rifle over a pistol every time. I can hit a squirrel sized target with a rifle at 100 yds, I can't do that with a pistol.
If society collapsed then would you rather limit yourself to a 22lr rifle, or would you rather upgrade your long arm to be something more substantial (like an AR15) and have a 22lr pistol as your sidearm? For some people that might be a better option.
@@LawlessNate I have everything I need incase that happens, I am well stocked and prepared for 6 Months of trouble. If China Joe Biden is reading comments, I wear my mask all the time, even in the shower.
I love shooting 22lr at 200yrds+, makes anything inside 50 almost too easy
Right on brother!
Man hearing all this gun laws and restrictions talk makes me love Arizona even more.
Ruger 10/22 16 inch barrel no fake spud sights hogue stock. 10/22 no dak spud sights folding stock. Cz 452 scout very accurate. I shoot wolf target ammo and take the hyper vel ammo for more of a protection role. Looked at getting a 8 inch ruger pistol which would be less weight and more packable. Has anyone ever used the ruger challenger? I had the m6 scout and the tps combo ,22/410. They just never gave good results for me past 15 yards
In what world is a (general) semi-auto easier to shoot than a (general) revolver? There's a heap of downsides to semi-autos for "survival" by comparison.
If you can find one a Savage model 24 in .223/12 gauge is a very useful tool. No way to suppress it though.
And most ripe tomatoes are red. How's your ADD?
Great info
Great video. Homeboy definitely has covid so make sure you take your vitamins.
Wow, Very good vid guy's. As for myself I will carry a Ruger Precision Rifle with many Glock mags and My Ruger Single Ten. I have thought about this a lot and considered my options. I like the 10/22 I have one. But not for survival or a bug out situation.
RPR with glock mags? What caliber? Like the pcc
I'm sorry man I miss spoke. I was meaning to say the BX 22 mags. My Ruger PCC9 takes Glock mags@@fixerupperer
Dam in the thumbnail I thought Austen was Mike. Seems like all FC employees are slowly merging into the same person. A man with semi long hair wearing some sort of tactics jacket or flannel.
22TCM
Great video
For sure when Austin was asked what he'd have after the .22, I thought he was going to say a .50 cal or some type of 152.4mm howitzer. Just sayin'
How accurate is the .22 glock conversation
I feel like people carry out a lot of imaginary movie survival scenarios or attribute non-survival experiences as what a realistic survival scenario is like. People are talking scenarios that are more like intentional camping or backpacking trips. You going out on a 30mi hike deciding what you want to carry along isn't a survival scenario.
For actual survival I feel like this question has pretty well been answered. I grew up in a poor rural farming area with grandparents who were adults during the great depression. People who actually hunted to provide for themselves didn't use pistols. There is a reason when you look at the family gun collections of rural farm families who aren't gun collectors but have guns as tools you will find almost exclusively long guns with maybe a pistol here and there just to pop snakes when you're out and about tending animals. But when serious matters are happening on the farm and something needs to be dispatched or hunted no one ever grabbed a pistol. You're grabbing the long gun resting in the closet by the door. In fact my grandfather who was also a WW2 vet didn't own a single pistol himself and that wasn't uncommon.
People saying "in a survival scenario I'll be shooting within 25 yards". No you won't....not if you're hungry and the only game you can get close to is 50 yards away. You're saying that because you're wanting to justify the pistol. Or you could just use the vastly superior rifle and not be limited to such ranges.
.22lr pistols have their place but if you told me I've only got one gun to take me through the rest of my life to provide for me then hand me that Ruger 10/22 every single time.
Rugar 10.22 Rifle
they should make the owyhee in .22 magnum that would make a great survival rifle
HOLSTER for Browning Buck Mark? Sorry for the caps. What's a good holster for the 22 pistol? Tired of carrying it around when I need it in a pouch... rather have it on a chest rig or hip/belt. Thanks!
Was out tonight on my property for a few hours hunting a predator that was trying g to kill my barn cats. That little Buck Mark gets heavy when i just had wrist surgery.
It helps if you have a light rail because then you can mount an x300 too it and use a universal holster like standard co's universal x300 holster. Fantastic option for any gun that doesn't need a retention based holster.b
The TSG conversion slide for Glock is cool but not $550 cool