The system check you were hearing was the ABS and on most modern air brake vehicles you can hear it (note if you step on the brake pedal during the system check it sounds like the system spits at you)
It sounds like a jet when it decelerates! (1:02-1:10) Quiet, though. And strange. To think, this will sound as special to future bus nuts as a DT466E, ISB 5.9 (6.7 even), or T444E does to us!
@@altraffie20They are not. They are comparable to gasoline engines in most respects, except that the equipment needed to make them as such is much more expensive to buy and maintain than with gasoline engines… Edit: wrote diesel instead of gasoline…
My school district just received four of these this week from Truck King International. Quite shocking to see them after 15 years of ordering Thomas EFXs and C2s, quite excited to see how these do, I've always liked internationals over Thomas by far !
As someone who is completely blind, I have two kids of my own who are currently in grade school. I got to ride on a school bus for the first time in about 35 years. I went on my daughters sixth grade field trip and I noticed, at least here in the Boise school district the school buses have the 6.7 L Cummins engine in them. I don’t think we have any gasoline school buses at all.
The Allison does a good job of keeping the engine within it's low power band. Our school district just order internationals with the Cummins. They are phasing out the maxxforce engines that are junk. I suggested them ordering buses with propane or natural gas to avoid the problematic nature of the new diesels. I hope the Cummins is better
Wow compared to the old Loadstar 1700’s with the AT 540’s I used to ride this thing is whisper quiet. Inside of the bus probably doesn’t smell like gas either.
My district mainly has Diesel buses, diesel powered vehicles have a hard time starting in cold weather, so it make since to have Gasoline powered Buses
The blinker is louder than the 8.8 liter engine I like it at least aint got worry about damn dpf failures on those cummins our fleet need a guy with laptop running around after each bus trying to force a regeneration, turbo actuators always failing u name it junk bring back the old DT 360 MECHANICALS AND DT 466 .
@@KodieS Diesel dt 360 or 466 back in 1989 was good not now days better off gas engine when only racking up 9000 miles year on school bus. we ran DT 466 5 speed manuals with 2 speed axle and air operated radiator shutters, with low air pressure wig wags in windshield with stop sign if you remember, 10 fronts 21000 rears on cast spoke wheels
put a hellcat engine in the school bus. I wonder what that would be like. These engines are incredible for gas engine producing a thousand foot pounds of torque it's very impressive
It certainly would be faster with a hellcat engine. Probably would get the bus to 60 in less than 25 seconds but I’m not sure if It’ll have enough torque to pull the load of kids.
This one had fairly low mileage. There's an area where the doghouse cover mounts to the front of the cab that squeaks pretty badly when its cold because of the plastic and rubber gasket. I kept the heat off for most of the video because of the noise. Once they warm up, the squeaking in that area stops fortunately. The other problem is the driver seat, though this one had not been greased most likely.
Horsepower is not a standard rating across the industry. It comes down to the engine displacement (size of the cylinder bore and piston travel). The Cummins diesel starts at 200HP and goes up to 260HP in school bus.
Should these gasoline buses have hydraulic brakes? Because cars have hydraulic brakes, not air brakes, and cars usually run on gasoline. Air brakes are for more of heavy diesel vehicles.
The fuel type doesn't really dictate what braking system the bus is equipped with. They're two entirely different, independent systems. Air brakes are designed for heavy vehicles and are basically fail safe. Worst case scenario, the air system loses pressure and the brakes lock up. With a hydraulic braking system, if hydraulic pressure is lost you've got no brakes at all unless you manually activate the emergency brake.
@@KodieS My district in upstate New York considering if it's a good idea to buy gas bus's but there is a lot of hills in my area so I was just trying to look into it, and from your answer it seems to be a bad decision to do that correct
@@KodieS Will you consider to make a video of the downsides in the upsides from a gas bus vs diesel? I can't find such a video on TH-cam yet I think it's going to be very helpful for a lot of people to understand the difference
It seems that putting a gasoline engine in is a step backwards. What is this the 1940’s? Worse fuel economy, less mileage you can get out of the engine, less torque, ect. Folks say “With all the emission stuff, the engine won’t last long”. That may have been true for Early emission control devices but manufacturers have since made emission controls more reliable. Between 2008-2013, Diesel engines were a nightmare. Things have improved, alot. What’s this bus get .5 mpg?
And with the PSI 8.8L V8 Gasoline engine there is no need for: Heavy diesel engine in front. Heavy SCR system infrastructure. DEF tank. DPF. DPF cleaning ($$$$). DEF or UREA. Parked Regen (A waste of fuel and time). EGR cooler issues. EGR valve issues. Oil-cooler issues. Hot operational temperatures. Engine oil degradation. Expensive parts. Expensive repairs. Expensive fuel (depending on location) Downtime (common issue with today's diesel engines) Yes, diesels might get "better MPG" but all that is washed-away by its higher operational costs.
I don't think things have improved much at all. DPF and urea systems are still as bad as ever. My contention is that the unreasonably low emissions standards for diesels are unnecessary in 90% of the places they operate. If the super clean stuff could stay in the big cities only we would have less of a hobble on our economy.
@@aleax5670 Don't know where you're getting those nonsense numbers from. It varies by route and area, but if you exceed 8 or 9mpg with a gasoline school bus, you're out of the ordinary.
05-56 of T-N Okaloosa (FL) does... but it overheated yesterday and is now very likely sitting in the shop while it gets a swap off the DT466E that Escambia County put in it. Dammit Trans-North!
@@TristanSpeno I did think that. However some research into why the vast majority of 70s, 80s and 90's large capacity V8s (cars mostly) were so underpowered is due to emissions regulations. The car from National Lampoon's Vacation "family truckster " had a 5.0 V8 with "only" 120bhp. The 3 speed Auto gearbox used a decent chunk of that 120bhp. Meaning you had a large, underpowered car . Heavy and with poor aerodynamics it was incredibly thirsty. The lack of power meant the engine had to work hard to build up speed with a gearbox not good at reducing stress and workload. So surely the reliability would suffer. On another comment section I said I believed the dodge viper would be very reliable. Low tech engine, low revs etc. I was shot down in flames.
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My district has 3 CEs with this engine. The exhaust note is amazing.
I like how the exhaust sounds it's sounds nice
Sounds very smooth with PSI 8.8L LPG V8 like Bluebird Vision’s Ford 6.8L Tritón V10
Love it. Upstate NY. Rode buses in 4 states, and I still think NYS drivers are trained the best.
I'd love to see the engine up close starting up and idling. Nice gasoline engine!
Neat bus, pretty cool how you could hear the system check from outside the bus at the beginning of your video
The system check you were hearing was the ABS and on most modern air brake vehicles you can hear it (note if you step on the brake pedal during the system check it sounds like the system spits at you)
I love the sound of the gasoline engine!
@@jeromedavis8575 Thats not related to the conversation those 2 had
@@a-dog8075 OK.
@@a-dog8075 Still, it sounds cool along with the system checks.
I hope this bus how the third gen’s sound pretty smooth I like it
It sounds like a jet when it decelerates! (1:02-1:10) Quiet, though. And strange. To think, this will sound as special to future bus nuts as a DT466E, ISB 5.9 (6.7 even), or T444E does to us!
my 2008 Cadilac Escalade sounds like this bus
Nice video!
Wow it's so quiet. Nice!
i like how gasoline buses have come back into style cuz the epa killed diesels
Accelerates from traffic lights "And theres another 100 dollars"
Even though diesels are WAAY better for the environment
@@altraffie20 Only in terms of Co2 output. Everything else is worse.
The EPA put emissions controls that are the same for everyone. Gasoline is coming back because it is expensive and fiddly to make diesels comply.
@@altraffie20They are not. They are comparable to gasoline engines in most respects, except that the equipment needed to make them as such is much more expensive to buy and maintain than with gasoline engines…
Edit: wrote diesel instead of gasoline…
Sounds good!
My district had started getting these around late 2020 - early 2021, and one of them rides by my house every day to a school near it.
My school district just received four of these this week from Truck King International. Quite shocking to see them after 15 years of ordering Thomas EFXs and C2s, quite excited to see how these do, I've always liked internationals over Thomas by far !
My school district has recently started buying Thomas C2s again, there's one that goes to one of the schools in the area.
As someone who is completely blind, I have two kids of my own who are currently in grade school. I got to ride on a school bus for the first time in about 35 years. I went on my daughters sixth grade field trip and I noticed, at least here in the Boise school district the school buses have the 6.7 L Cummins engine in them. I don’t think we have any gasoline school buses at all.
4:03 nice you caught a Phase III heritage P42 unit
These things sound wicked
The Allison does a good job of keeping the engine within it's low power band. Our school district just order internationals with the Cummins. They are phasing out the maxxforce engines that are junk. I suggested them ordering buses with propane or natural gas to avoid the problematic nature of the new diesels. I hope the Cummins is better
Some of their stuff is known for DPF faults. I would stay away.
Music to my ears 💛💛💛💛
Jonathan Bradle that’s very true I ride in a ic ce propane 2021 794 special ed spring ISD 👍🏻😍
Nothing compared to the Loadstar and S series gas engines from the late 70s - early 80s
These are a pleasure to own.
Wow compared to the old Loadstar 1700’s with the AT 540’s I used to ride this thing is whisper quiet. Inside of the bus probably doesn’t smell like gas either.
Great video! Gasoline buses are making a comeback!
And, why aren’t they on Type Ds?
@@superbrownsheep3777 type D’s are too heavy for gas engines to be viable.
@@charlesrodriguez7984 Why not just use a larger Gas engine, the PSI 10 or 11.1L
4:00 Great catch of Amtrak P42DC 145-the Phase III heritage unit on Lake Shore Limited 48!
Delete this comment now
what the hell happened in the replies
@@alexandergrube6437 some idiots just being toxic for no reason
4:00 Great catch of Amtrak P42DC 145-the Phase III heritage unit on Lake Shore Limited 48!
@@zacharymakutu2360 now was that really necessary my guy?
My district mainly has Diesel buses, diesel powered vehicles have a hard time starting in cold weather, so it make since to have Gasoline powered Buses
Trying to like the sound of these gasoline and propane engines. The diesels sound so much better
For some reason I love how loud the diesels r
@BUGATTI SS Me too and louder is better IMO
My IC CE Has The PSI Engine But It’s A Propane With 270 HP
Nice bus
3:59 There's the Amtrak Lake Shore (Late for sure) limited.
CSXRailfan2 Yep, that’s train 48 with 145 trailing third. Best part of the video IMO
I heard and saw it too!
Was That a Nathan K5la Train Horn?
@@thomasday2351 yes
Now ye gotta drive the 2019 IC RE
Hopeful for an opportunity in the next few months - RE's are extremely rare in New York these days.
I agree. I'd also like to see the gas engine up close.
@@KodieS I love the sound of the gasoline v8! I'd love to see it idle up close and hear it too!
@@KodieS what's the clicking noises when you turnt the key on before you started the bus?
@@dustinlanphear422 That's the ABS system run its self check. Any bus with air brakes will do this.
I like that bus
Cool
My district has gasoline visions, no CE's
Must be in New York State!
If you still get this bus, I'd like tto seee the engine and hear it up close and personal.
Can you please do another bus driving video thanks
Beautiful 2019 IC CE 300!
gasoline not a diesel silly c;
@@raychoncla1175 Ik it's gas.
Damion 2-16 They do not use the 200-300 designations anymore.
@@KodieS Wow really?
Damion 2-16 correct. That stopped in 2012/2013, somewhere around there.
The blinker is louder than the 8.8 liter engine I like it at least aint got worry about damn dpf failures on those cummins our fleet need a guy with laptop running around after each bus trying to force a regeneration, turbo actuators always failing u name it junk bring back the old DT 360 MECHANICALS AND DT 466 .
Sadly the EPA requirements now have killed the diesel engine. The school bus duty cycle just isn't a good match with a diesel anymore.
@@KodieS Diesel dt 360 or 466 back in 1989 was good not now days better off gas engine when only racking up 9000 miles year on school bus. we ran DT 466 5 speed manuals with 2 speed axle and air operated radiator shutters, with low air pressure wig wags in windshield with stop sign if you remember, 10 fronts 21000 rears on cast spoke wheels
Request: Make a video of this bus's turn signal sounds! (Without the engine on or background noises)
David Devine Lots of people will use the audio in Rigs of Rods. Just so ya know
CentralJerseyRailfan Not necessarily a bad thing
@@5.43v it's fine, not sure if Kodie wants the RoR players to give credit though
@@5.43v Kodie does not record that stuff for that exact reason
3:34 right when a train is coming, reminds me of USA truck simulator
My school district has a propane IC CE
if im not mistaken its very similar to the 454
8.8x61=534ci....Chevy has a 540 rat motor so close enough.
Can you do another bus video
put a hellcat engine in the school bus. I wonder what that would be like. These engines are incredible for gas engine producing a thousand foot pounds of torque it's very impressive
It certainly would be faster with a hellcat engine. Probably would get the bus to 60 in less than 25 seconds but I’m not sure if It’ll have enough torque to pull the load of kids.
I would imagine that the door alarm gets annoying
Nice bus video Kodie. It stills run like a charm. What bus number was that?
Rudy Briseno 133
Do you know what district’s in the WNY area are getting gas CEs? I’d love to see one at some point.
There are a ton of them out there.
How many miles were on the odo at the time of the test drive? Sounds a bit rattly.
This one had fairly low mileage. There's an area where the doghouse cover mounts to the front of the cab that squeaks pretty badly when its cold because of the plastic and rubber gasket. I kept the heat off for most of the video because of the noise. Once they warm up, the squeaking in that area stops fortunately. The other problem is the driver seat, though this one had not been greased most likely.
Very nice. Any deliveries in Western New York or nah?
Many, yes.
@@KodieS Awesome
How many gears does the transmission have?
5 Plus overdrive
4:02 Phase III Heritage Unit.!!!!
It sounds like it is running with a BMW engine. Correct me if I am wrong.
That's not correct. It's an 8.8L engine built by Power Solutions International in Chicago. Originally the 8.1L GM engine, redesigned into an 8.8.
If this bus was my bus I'd have hydraulic brakes instead of air brakes
This is a engine based off a GM big block
GM fan our 12 year old Escalade sounds like this bus
@@markmccormick4461 ok? Its still based off a gm 8.1l block and heads
the main thing i wanted to see was the tach...
4:02 AMTK 145!!!!!!
how come if its a V8 would it be continuing the 200 model?
I like trains kid Channel
There is no longer a 200 or 300 designation. That’s been gone for years.
@@KodieS since 2015
@Dustin LanphearIt's the law. Because a few accidents already happened where a school bus was hit by a train
@Dustin Lanphear all bus drivers do that
Are you still a bus driver
Ok now... don't get me wrong, the engine sounds amazing... but I googled the engine and it makes as much power as my mom's Camry...
Horsepower is not a standard rating across the industry. It comes down to the engine displacement (size of the cylinder bore and piston travel). The Cummins diesel starts at 200HP and goes up to 260HP in school bus.
High torque. 660 lb ft if I’m right?
It’s a school bus, the amount of power the engine makes is enough
Should these gasoline buses have hydraulic brakes? Because cars have hydraulic brakes, not air brakes, and cars usually run on gasoline. Air brakes are for more of heavy diesel vehicles.
The fuel type doesn't really dictate what braking system the bus is equipped with. They're two entirely different, independent systems. Air brakes are designed for heavy vehicles and are basically fail safe. Worst case scenario, the air system loses pressure and the brakes lock up. With a hydraulic braking system, if hydraulic pressure is lost you've got no brakes at all unless you manually activate the emergency brake.
@Dustin Lanphear North Tonawanda New York
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Will you prefer a gasoline engine vs Commons diesel engines? When it comes to performance and going up hills?
Definitely not. Diesels climb way better.
@@KodieS My district in upstate New York considering if it's a good idea to buy gas bus's but there is a lot of hills in my area so I was just trying to look into it, and from your answer it seems to be a bad decision to do that correct
@@Epsteinc not necessarily. Diesels will climb better by design but there are plenty of districts in hilly terrain with gas and propane buses.
@@KodieS Will you consider to make a video of the downsides in the upsides from a gas bus vs diesel? I can't find such a video on TH-cam yet I think it's going to be very helpful for a lot of people to understand the difference
Is this northern Missouri?
No, Western New York.
New York
It seems that putting a gasoline engine in is a step backwards. What is this the 1940’s? Worse fuel economy, less mileage you can get out of the engine, less torque, ect. Folks say “With all the emission stuff, the engine won’t last long”. That may have been true for Early emission control devices but manufacturers have since made emission controls more reliable. Between 2008-2013, Diesel engines were a nightmare. Things have improved, alot. What’s this bus get .5 mpg?
And with the PSI 8.8L V8 Gasoline engine there is no need for:
Heavy diesel engine in front.
Heavy SCR system infrastructure.
DEF tank.
DPF.
DPF cleaning ($$$$).
DEF or UREA.
Parked Regen (A waste of fuel and time).
EGR cooler issues.
EGR valve issues.
Oil-cooler issues.
Hot operational temperatures.
Engine oil degradation.
Expensive parts.
Expensive repairs.
Expensive fuel (depending on location)
Downtime (common issue with today's diesel engines)
Yes, diesels might get "better MPG" but all that is washed-away by its higher operational costs.
I don't think things have improved much at all. DPF and urea systems are still as bad as ever. My contention is that the unreasonably low emissions standards for diesels are unnecessary in 90% of the places they operate. If the super clean stuff could stay in the big cities only we would have less of a hobble on our economy.
Fuel mileage on a regular route?
15mpg to be exact
@@aleax5670 Actually not that bad!
@@EdPMur most likely they get around almost 20mpg if you drive economy instead of going above 65mph
@@aleax5670 Don't know where you're getting those nonsense numbers from. It varies by route and area, but if you exceed 8 or 9mpg with a gasoline school bus, you're out of the ordinary.
@@KodieS sorry ☹️ I guess I didn't research fast enough on school buses
Does it have radio in it so that way you can put music 🎼 I want to here the speakers 🔊😍👍🏻
You will not hear the speakers if he gets a copyright strike
05-56 of T-N Okaloosa (FL) does... but it overheated yesterday and is now very likely sitting in the shop while it gets a swap off the DT466E that Escambia County put in it.
Dammit Trans-North!
That motor sounds way too high pitched and the slower that the driver is driving it the worse it gets.
265bhp from an 8.8 litre V8 is criminal.
It's meant to move a heavy bus around 5 days a week, for over a decade straight. It's all low speed, reliable torque.
designed for reliability, not power
@@TristanSpeno I did think that. However some research into why the vast majority of 70s, 80s and 90's large capacity V8s (cars mostly) were so underpowered is due to emissions regulations. The car from National Lampoon's Vacation "family truckster " had a 5.0 V8 with "only" 120bhp. The 3 speed Auto gearbox used a decent chunk of that 120bhp. Meaning you had a large, underpowered car . Heavy and with poor aerodynamics it was incredibly thirsty. The lack of power meant the engine had to work hard to build up speed with a gearbox not good at reducing stress and workload. So surely the reliability would suffer. On another comment section I said I believed the dodge viper would be very reliable. Low tech engine, low revs etc. I was shot down in flames.
You are not supposed to do that in a school bus 🤫