Double Dragon V: The Shadow Falls - The Worst Fighting Game
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When Tradewest got their hands on the Drouble Dragon IP they were fully intent on turning it their own huge multimedia cash cow franchise. They made the cartoon, action figures, comics, the live action movie, the Battletoads crossover and this game. By the time Technos wrestled back the IP it was already too late, not only the IP had been ran through the mud and lost any relevance it had but they themselves were already struggling financially, putting out a few games on the Neo Geo before with what they had left before closing their doors for good.
Just like Disney did with the Marvel and Star Wars franchise.
@@franciscor390 I mean, it’s not like Star Wars and Marvel weren’t ALREADY multimedia cash cow franchises before Disney got them
And yet, somehow, the Kunio-Kun franchise overall is probably more popular today than it's ever been. In the west, at least, but I get the impression it's still doing quite well in Japan too.
The battletoads crossover is the best game of the bunch anyway.
The Kunio-Kun metaseries (which includes Double Dragon ) was bought by Ark System Works while Tradewest died in obscurity.
"To be a Dragon, you've gotta be strong! Humble, never braggin'."
Words to live by in 2023
"Always fight for right, battlin' wrong. With the power of the dragon."
More words to live by
Love that song. Game wasn't that bad either. Had some good tunes, and fatalities too and the combo system on the genesis once you got the hang of it was pretty good
"The Code of the Dragon is never battle if you can avoid it!"
(immediately gets into a tournament with a dominatrix and a skeleton with shades)
this comment made me laugh far more than it should have.
Ahhh, Tuesdays
@@justsayain9794 yes, For you it was a battle you couldn't avoid, but for me, it was tuesday.
The janitor has to mop up the blood first before the round can be declared over
I think he's also the announcer, which explains his voice too. "Hurry up and fight so I can clean the arena and go home."
the blood thing is very weird, and I'm guessing that ending the round before the blood dissipates caused some kind of fucky bug, like the blood staying on the screen in-between rounds until the next one, and they opted to just wait until the blood disappears instead of actually fixing the bug, likely due to time/monetary restraints
need somebody who's good at editing memory addresses to get the round to end with blood still on screen and see what happens
I was going to wager the blood counted as an "animation" and the game is set to wait until all animations (such as jumps and specials) end before calling the round.
@@Komaru.89 That's the most likely theory. If only the blood disappeared in a faster animation cell or the blood animation isn't tied to the round ending. Though the fact that even Bones has bleeding animations, show they didn't have too much foresight.
@@mysticmind4563 Yeah, I'm no programmer, but I'm familiar with how game design programming goes when you don't have an experienced game designer overseeing everything. I'd love if someone could dive into the code and give a definitive answer!
Or maybe the "Player 'x' wins" message is allocated to a particular sprite number that first gets used by a blood splatter, so the game waits for that sprite to be "empty" before it turns it into the win message. Bad programming, if so, but not out of the question.
I remember seeing the cartoon for the first time in the lobby of my Dentist's office when I was like 7. Even then I was like "There's a Double Dragon cartoon now? I'm too busy with the Street Fighter cartoon, Mortal Kombat Defenders of the Realm and the Earthworm Jim cartoon to pay attention to this show."
Double Dragon? Who cares?! It's KOMBAT TIME!!!!!
Theory on the blood delay: The game checks to ensure any attack states or resulting projectiles are cleared before moving on to the routine to show the Round Winner. Makes sense, maybe you wanna make sure an errant projectile fired late isn't going to make for a draw/double KO, so you evaluate once all actions are complete. But perhaps the blood splatters are a "projectile" generated on successful hit, they just don't have any hurtbox or character interaction. Still, the game thinks there's projectiles on the screen until they expire.
The neo geo Double Dragon and Rage of the Dragon are the prime example that a good Double Dragon fighting game could be done.
Exactly
ROTD is criminally overlooked, imo.
Rage of the Dragons is amazing. Their redesigns of the twins and other characters was very well done. ROTD Jimmy Lee is probably my most favorite rendition of Jimmy yet, dude is so badass looking!
@@Kenoji8 Love that game combo system. Kinda like how Kizuna Encounter works.
When I discovered that people in US didn´t liked the first neo geo DD game, I was perplexed.
idk if i was just the exact right demographic at the right time, but i was around 8 or 9 during this time and i absolutely loved the double dragon cartoon and this game. hearing that awful dragon song sparked something deep within me just now and i almost started jumping on my couch and spin kicking around my living room.
7:45 Oh come now Matt. Not every fighting game announcer can aspire to the godlike level of "BEET CHEW UP".
Suggestion for What Happened?!: WMAC Masters tv show. It was like live action fighting game with people dressed up like mortal kombat characters but very tame and totally scripted and choreographed fights using actual martial artists (some of them Olympic champions) who did a lot of choreography for tv and movie fight scenes!
As a matter of fact someone from the Mortal Kombat movie was in that show...(the guy who Liu Kang fought on the beach)
@@brookswilliams5239 that's dope! i watched the show when it originally aired on saturday mornings (competing with all the cartoons) and i actually got into it, but it was cancelled after season 2 ended on a cliff hanger :( I must know what happened to the dragon star!!!
@@phoenixlich yeah I definitely watched a few episodes back in the day on Saturday mornings myself but don't remember much about the cliffhanger ending lol
I gotta say the original double dragon theme is one of the single best pieces of video game music in history. That is all.
No joke, when I heard the theme in River City Ransom for the first time I got chills.
The first two Double Dragons both have awesome soundtracks.
TRUTH. That whole NES soundtrack is phenomenal and catchy!
It's one of the game's only redeeming features.
That solo is perfect
Leland did have one major arcade hit with Ivan "Ironman" Stewart's Super Off Road. That machine was everywhere in arcades.
They also published Ataxx (which was notable enough that other companies cloned the game) and Pig Out (which wasn't great but it's amusing enough that's it's worth playing a few times if you get the chance).
As bad as the game and show was, I have fond memories of both in middle school in the 90s. Watching the show with my brother after school and sketching together. And playing the game at a cabinet at a local roller rink on school trips. Thanks for unlocking some good core memories Matt! 💜✨️
There was absolutely no cabinet for this, so you might be thinking of the much better neo geo version.
@@MattMcMuscles thank you! 💜
@Matt McMuscles finally was able to find the right one. No idea why this one looked familiar? Maybe a regrettable past rental as a kid 😅
I'm going to be sad when this series comes to an end, but Matt could always do a follow-up series of "Greatest Fighting Game", which could be even harder than finding the worst fighting game.
I think you underestimate just how many poor quality fighting games came out in the 80s, 90s and even into the 00s. Not to mention messy ports of better games.
Matt will be making these for years... and in that time there's always a chance indy devs will put out garbage to increase the lifespan of this series.
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley For fighting games, triple A hasn't really put out anything worthy of being in this series. Sure, Marvel vs Capcom Infinite, DC vs Mortal Kombat and a few others were kind of lacklustre, but they're functioning games people would potentially choose to play over similar titles.
Honestly, for how bad Capcom bungled SF5, I think I need it to be the absolute best fighting game of the past ten years or the absolute worst and a massive disaster, and nothing in between will satisfy me,
@@Joe90h ...or big name devs!
And right now he's basically only doing console games. If he ever managed to run out of those, there's an entire new world of pain in bad PC fighters. Prior to the 3D accelerated era when ports became more standardized, most of them were garbage.
(As someone who was dumb enough to buy it, back in the day, I'd kind of love to see Matt suffer through "Metal & Lace: Battle of the Robo Babes." It was impressively awful.)
@@jasonblalock4429 That game can't seriously be a thing. You HAVE to be making it up.
Probably due to a memory issue they had to eliminate 2 characters, and then in order to keep the third they would have had to remove Dominique as a sub boss, so to keep her as one they removed a third character and just added in programming to be able to control her.
Another thing to point about this game is that most of the roster weren't even part of the cartoon and it's not like it lacked characters to choose from
Lack of communication? Rush development? We may never know
they simply didn't care and only wanted the money.
I didn't realize SNK made a legit Double Dragon Fighter. One stage even had stills from the movie on a background screen! It's not what I want in a Double Dragon game, but it's exactly what I'd want if I wanted an SNK Double Dragon... and looking at it I think I do want that!
Hmm... maybe the blood having to disappear is a result of it snapshotting the state of the character it spawns out of, so the blood sprites technically read as an "alive" opponent until they despawn, preventing the round from ending.
Alternatively they ran into a weird bug where having blood sprites left over from the previous round at the start of a new round caused bugs and they just took the band-aid fix rather than fixing their code.
I doubt that the blood in a 16-bit fighting game would be anything more than sprites that spawn when characters get injured, but I do believe that those sprites could cause odd bugs in some situations since the amount of them on the screen can vary significantly, so I'm betting the second one.
The life is in the blood.
Therefore, you're not dead until all your blood is gone.
It makes sense.
This just reminded me how much i loved the double dragon cartoon as a kid
It was one of those shows before cable and syndication varied widely ,it was on TV Saturday mornings in my area, along with stuff like swat cats and street sharks.
I remember seeing this in GamePro magazine and thinking it looked pretty decent then a kid in my class got the game and returned it the next day. It wasn't until years later I found out that the magazine's reviewer never even played half of the games they had covered.
The worst thing about the Jaguar version of DDV was actually missed out on, which is that not only are all three kicks mapped to the keypad, specifically 3, 6, & 9... but you can't remap them to anything other than 3, 6, & 9! So if you have the Pro Controller which added three more face buttons & two shoulder buttons (which map to 7, 8, 9, 4, & 6, respectively), you can't actually take advantage of it to turn DDV's Jag port into something at least remotely playable! Sure, you could use one of the extra face buttons & the R button, but that's cold comfort.
To add insult to injury, I heard that in some magazine, the original Double Dragon was originally going to have a Jaguar port too, but it was later cancelled and so, this was made to that console. Funnily enough is that there’s a prototype build of that version which was supposed to be like the Genesis and SNES versions of the game, as if it was going to have the “quest” mode and maybe the 3 missing characters (I haven’t seen a preview of it yet though).
The "V" stands for "Very Bad".
Always love to see these videos pop up in the feed.
They're both an interesting look back on lesser-known, terrible fighting games to learn from, but they're also usually really funny. _Point and laugh at the big stinky game_
As a child I was a big fan of the TV series. Double Dragon was one of my favorite childhood games, I spent several coins without being able to beat the first level and I had Atari and NES games. I really enjoyed trying to force myself to believe that the show wasn't sooooo bad.
When in Club Nintendo magazine, I saw the ad for this game, I was very happy: I liked Street Fighters, Fatal Fury, World Heroes, and the Double Dragon TV series... what could go wrong??? Well, what you're saying is what went wrong. XD
I liked the cartoon as a kid and didn't know about the arcade games, so I came at this from the opposite direction.
The only thing I remember from renting this game is that Jawbreaker could eat and spit out opponents, which was pretty cool.
Also Icepick could freeze opponent similar to Iceman from X-Men.
Billy? What kind of name is Billy? Everybody know that the true name is Bimmy.
Oh damn! One of my brothers had a toy of Billy from the Double Dragon cartoon! I never knew there was a cartoon, so I always thought it was weird that the toy looked so different from the game. This video actually solved that mystery for me
I remember seeing "Dic" at the end of certain cartoons, and dying as a kid.
the battle toads/double dragon crossover definitely didn't need to happen, but it's definitely a good thing that it did, since it's one of the best battle toads games out there, even if the double dragon characters are completely out of place.
Cutting characters from the roster is something expected for a handheld port, not a "64-Bit" console.
I've found You recently and, to be honest, I LOVE Your work. Keep it up! Good job! :)
I only remembered the cartoon from the What Happened Double Dragon episode. And then I heard the theme song and it all came back to me.
As one of the six people who actually liked the cartoon, I was excited when I heard they were turning it into a fighting game..... then utterly disappointed when it turned out to be this. At least I was only out the cost of a rental.
The Double Dragon cartoon is a genuine guilty pleasure-one that has stuck with me for thirty years-and I will die on this hill!
It was just rereleased (and upscaled?) on Blu-ray by Discotek Media! Or is coming soon? Discotek announced it last year.
I still got a vhs of this cartoon in the original clam shell. It has a preview of this game and gives you “tips” on how to beat certain characters.
FWIW - In faint defense of the Jaguar version, the Jaguar Pro Controller was a 6 button controller (you know, for all the awesome Jaguar fighting games) with the extra buttons mapped to the keypad 7, 8, and 9. That's why those buttons are used in the game. The controller had two shoulder buttons too, for... something.
By the way, I nominate the Sega arcade game Holosseum. A weird and very unappealing fighting game.
Well, that theme song is gonna be stuck in my head for the rest of the day, thanks Matt.
9:37 Speaking of that, one of the characters (Sickle) has a different death animation between the Genesis and SNES versions, in case if you are wondering.
The cartoon was even more hilarious. Whenever they screamed "the shadow falls!" then would fall in defeat, I'd agree that they didn't falsely advertise
I remember being into the cartoon as a kid but really loving the figures that came from the show. But after watching this video I was kinda surprised you didn't mention in the special moves area how the whirling flying body attacks that Billy and Jimmy do are an exact rip off of what Hanzo and Fuuma do in the World Heroes games. After seeing that move very quickly in this video, I was expecting SNK had something to do with this game but I guess not.
It wasn't the only think they ripped from World Heroes, check out the "on fire" effect, it's basically a copy of the one in WH1, lol.
Used to have the action figures and everything for this show. It really wasn’t that bad. I got mad on the last day I had this rental in 6 grade because that’s when I realized there were “fatalities” but my rental came with no instructions and the internet wasn’t a household “thing” yet in 94/95 for me to look them up.
I've been waiting to get my Dragons doubled
@@somerandolad 2, 4, 8, 16, 32...
...wait, there was no Double Dragon 64... :,3
Now I want a video going pelvis deep into the Jaguar’s worst fighting games, featuring my two favourite skeleton bros. Make it happen, Matt!
Very enjoyable video as always!, really I didn't know this game existed.
But I have to admit that I was super confused with the title because Double Dragon 5?, but there was a fourth game that was released some years ago on modern consoles, for a moment I thought that I was in a time paradox, lol!.
Also for the 10:14 question:
Not going to lie but I actually liked that weird announcer mechanic, either if is a glitch or was intentional, it feels like if the announcer is so uninterested in his job and has a "whatever" attitude, it would be nice to see something like that in modern fighting games.
I'm thinking they went with 5 because they were counting Super Double Dragon on the SNES as "Double Dragon 4" at the time.
you can't go to the gym expecting to lift less than 330lbs in the bench without the intro theme of the cartoon
Just wanted to mention that your covert grassroots campaign for Shaolin Monks has not gone unnoticed, and I bought a copy based on your frequent namedropping. Did not regret.
I'd push the Amiga's "Capital Punishment" into the suggestion box. That game came out in '96 and had no real excuse to be what it was by then. On pretty much any count.
I've been waiting for you to cover this! I gotta a few I'll suggest later!
Great Video! Hey, Matt have you ever done a Rage of the Dragon Video?
Talking about how this game was marketed as DDV despite not really being immediately related to the main series reminded me of Japan having a similar deal with Hokuto no Ken of all things where it had a number of game releases on the Famicom and Super Famicom with different numerical iterations, but most of them not really having to do anything with each other as far as I remember (a good handful of them just roughly adapted the manga/anime which makes it even weirder). With that said the 6th and 7th iterations just so happened to be fighting games and both were...also kind bad, 7 in particular I recall being literally unplayable.
I can't wait for the strategy turnbased jrpg Street Fighter 7. If you go-through all the dialogue options on your first play through, You unlock a new Chun Li costume on New Game +
I watched the tv show
One thing that stood out was the dragon masks, which I always felt looked more like fish masks
My standards as a kid must've been pretty low. I rented this game so many times and loved it. Both the game and the cartoon
Blasphemy! Battletoads Double Dragon absolutely had to happen!
Thanks Matt! I love this series. I remember I had some alien fighting game on the 32X as a kid. It was pretty interesting, you could wear different armor on different parts of your body. It wasn't very fun though.
Cosmic carnage?
@@doriandavies5140 that's it, thank you.
Cosmic Carnage would probably end up in the "close, but not quite" area of the tier list. It's pretty bad. But not, y'know... Mortal Kombat Advance or Criticom.
I remember paying $4 clearance price for Cosmic Carnage. Then I knew why…
Yes; please do a "Worst Fighting Game Announcers" and "Best Fighting Game Announcers" video.
One of my picks for "Best Fighting Game Announcer" is the one from Street Fighter Alpha 3. He gets every match hype. That guy is awesome.
The sad thing is a Double Dragon fighting game sounded like a good idea on paper.
As for the results... They were anything but desirable.
At least Rage of the Dragons is fun despite not having Double Dragon license
Double Dragon on the Neo Geo is quite solid though, and that's also a fighting game.
There is a Neo Geo DD game that is a fighter that is pretty decent.
The Neo Geo one is pretty solid and has some pretty cool presentation if you wanna check that out. It was also actually made by Technos, and has characters from the games.
5:57 I wonder if that's related to the No Fear Pinball Machine as well
Love how you use the Super Double Dragon soundtrack in this vid!!
I absolutely remember the Double Dragon cartoon and even watched a few episodes, but I had no idea this game existed until now.
Double Dragon wasn't a Saturday morning cartoon, FYI. It aired on Sundays in syndication.
I swear, after seeing Criticom, I have a different perspective on many of the games I played in the past. Also, I got this game from the rental store when I was younger and was extremely disappointed since I could only play games on the weekend.
I don't remember it being exactly terrible, but in those days fighting game options were extremely rare. You'd finished Street Fighter 2, Mortal Kombat, World Heroes etc - and some of the more obscure games in the genre were just not easy to find in game rental stores, others were arcade only, so you ended up giving every game a chance. I do remember finishing this one, but I'd just call it bland at best. I tried to enjoy it, but it was only there to fill the hole that those other games left once you'd finished them. It was very different gaming in the nineties. You just didn't have every game at your fingertips, like today where people have thousands of untouched games in their libraries.
Fun fact in the pilot Jimmy was set up as the main villain of the show only for this to be completely thrown out in the second episode. The show was terrible but a Bimmy vs Jimmy rivalry would have been more interesting than the bloody Shadow Master.
Shadow Khan was even worse. They hyped this guy to be some major threat when in reality he was a pennystore knockoff of The Scarecrow with an even lamer weakness: Cats and Dogs. Not mystical versions, just simple cats and dogs.
*Jammy
Ah, glad to see that Time Slaughter is on the horizon.
But yeah, good video!
I think I've saw a pieces of a couple of the cartoon once, and it kind of picked my attention back then, but I barely remember to be honest.
This explains why you have this one so fresh in your mind in the lastest Triple KO hahaha. Cheers
That theme song unlocked some memories. Completely forgot I watched that show.
Double Dragon V shadow falls over the valley of the shadow of death.
I saw this cartoon. Being a very old person, their swords _confused me._ Great Stuff, as always!
I remember playing this game emulated, it was most likely the Sega version because I don't remember seeing blood. Seeing Jawbreaker and Bones is what resurge that memory.
I loved the show growing up, and the intro was fire 🔥 👌
Yeah, I remember enjoying it, too. Street Sharks and Biker Mice were awful (as an aside)
And here I'm the opposite growing up only having watched the cartoon till I played Double Dragon Neon.
Icepick being from "Nome" made me had to look it up if it was a typo or not.
It's a city in Alaska.
I’d be curious to see an episode on Justice League Task Force (1995), an early Sunsoft/Blizzard (!) fighting game that was raked across the coals when it came out.
I am old enough to remember the cartoon, so maybe people my my age might still remember it.
The game itself I kind of liked. My brother bought this game and since we were fighting game fans, we bought almost any fighting game that came out. I was a Blade main, so I would’ve been screwed with that other version, but we had SNES version which was cool. I’m trying to remember the music, but I can’t. I do remember liking it. For whatever reason, I don’t remember the fatalities in this. Totally forgot it had them.
Cool video. Brings back memories.
I think I remember playing this..... or maybe not. Hard to remember all the weird fighting games from 25yrs+ ago I played lol
Battletoads double dragon most certainly needed to happen
I watched the show as a kid, but never played the game. I heard about it, however.
What I don't understand was why only villains were used alongside Billy and Jimmy. They gained a number of allies during the show's run, and any of them could have been used to balance it out.
Yeah, there were at least two other good guys they could have used. Marian and the break dancing fighting guy who wore green.
@@MattMcMuscles Turbine. Who I only know from that compilation vid of stupid/weird moments from this show.
The Double Dragon cartoon show was what I call a "5-6am Weekday" show, because it tended to be running on that kind of schedule. It ran at a super early time for those kids who had to get up super early in the morning to get to school and need to watch something while eating their breakfast cereal. The reason why they end up in this unenviable timeslot is because the network airing it has zero faith in it being a success. Then again, Pokemon also aired in this timeslot originally, so sometimes they're wrong.
Those shows were called "Saturday Morning cartoons" actually.
@@cnk9822 Even if they never appear on a Saturday?
@@FirstLast-cg2nk Very much
Hey Matt, you've mentioned Ultra Vortek a couple times in this series, is it getting an episode?
3:36 oh, THAT'S why i saw a clip from Space Ace in the preview!
15:02
Ah, Jonathan Joestar. Glad to see you here
You have no idea how long I've waited for you to cover this one! Hype!
Man I remember playing the heck out of this as a rental.
Definitely watched the Cartoon as a kid. It definitely fell under just entertaining enough not to turn off the TV.
Hey the song that plays for the feels is from Killer Instinct ya?
Play Cyber Gladiators. If the weird scream effects and bedlam of flying objects in each arena don't aggravate you, the input lag from the keyboard constantly getting you beaten will. That is, if you don't jump off the edge while dodging the enemy attacks AND those flying objects first.
1:49 - Is it just me or does that guy look like an evil version of The Tick?
I didn't think the Lynx port of Double Dragon was bad, I kinda like how they didn't scale the sprites down, felt more like Final Fight or a game with large sprites, and it was ComLynx compatible so I played it with a friend all the time (owning two copies). Also, MS Paint didn't have a blur/soften feature so the Jaguar game was definitely touched up in some software like Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro.
9:52 what you said reminded me of all the games where Skeleton enemies took Bleed damage lmao!!
my god i forgot how great the intro song was! THANK YOU
I had this on the Genesis. I remember when I accidently found an over kill move, I made a plan for each character and played though the matches using only one button until I found the move that triggered the overkill by brute force and process of elimination. It was 1994, I did not have the internet so no, I could not just look it up.
My thought process when seeing the title of this vid is as follows:
"How can a Double Dragon game be in the running for *Worst* Fighting Game?"
"Wait, how is Double Dragon a fighting game, anyway?"
"What'd you mean this is the *fifth* game in this series!?"
Anyway, thanks for the vids as always!
Let's all remember the poor kid at the end of every episodes credits having to wake up with a giant dic logo out side his window.
That soundtrack is indeed very catchy. I'll be singing that thing in the shower for weeks, thank you very much, Matt.
The backgrounds are really nice at least. I wonder what is going on with the flickering/disappearing shadows?
Thank you for let us rock out to the show’s theme song at the end 👍
Too me, the SNES white goo was actually teeth when I played it as a kid.
I remember the double dragon movie more then I remember the cartoon, in that I actually remember the movie existing