I'd like to just point out that the quality of testing, information and comprehensiveness of this video vs the comparable low view count is a mirror held up to the reality of youtube's discouraging and often times illogical algorithm
Getting lot's of questions regarding the missing @BoschToolsNA reciprocating saw: This is the 2nd time Bosch has declined to participate in our tests. We requested the Bosch saw, model: GDR18V1860C They declined to participate stating continued supply chain issues and a tight budget. Guess they don't value the eyeballs this H2H gets over the course of a year. #Bosch
From 2007 we've gone through three makita saws. The first two were brush versions. We're just on with our second brushless one. They get a real beasting in all weather's all year round. So reliable and tuff. They might not be the fastest, but with the 5amp batteries they work hard all day long.
Great comparison! Thank you for doing these. After owning both corded and battery Makita, Dewalt and Milwaukee tools side-by-side on job sites for years, I settled in on the Milwaukee battery platform a few years ago and sold or gave away all the corded and non-Milwaukee stuff. The Milwaukee tools and batteries are always reliable solid performers. I find these days that I grab the much smaller Milwaukee Hackzall for 80% of daily recip cut tasks and only need to haul out the big Sawzall for beast-mode work.
Same exact for me on the Milwaukee sawzall....a sharp blade and a straight cut with no binding will make for so much cutting with the M12....the big M18 is on standby for me 80% of the time.
I run the Dewalt platform simply because I felt it was a solid brand several years ago when I started switching my tools to cordless. They haven’t ket me down once, so won’t be buying new tools, hopefully for quite a while. The wifi hookup you can do with the Milwaukee doesn’t interest me at all, as I don’t have time to fiddle with it, and don’t care if gets up and starts talking to me, just as long as it does a solid job. Great tests and information. Always look forward to your side-by-sides, especially when you get so many brands to participate. I kinda doubt Porter Cable liked the findings, but I’m pretty sure they already know how they’re tools perform. Oh, I like that you chose to put Santa on your branded clothes, just in time for Christmas.
Have had and abused the kobalt xtr for a couple of years and have been super impressed. All my kobalt stuff has done great and is the best value out there. I still use makita impact and circular saws though.
It has been impressive how quickly Flex has grown and the quality of the lineup. More competition is great! And not just another version of a TTI or Dewalt tool!
Although they should have run it with a stacked lithium 6ah battery to make it fair. Every companys latest and greatest on the table. And that's coming from a heavily invested milwaukee user.
Nope it's just an upgraded Kobalt lol. Chervon has been killing it for years just didn't get the recognition it deserved cause it didn't have a true Pro line of tools. Now they have Ego, Flex, Kobalt, Skil, hell they even do Menards Masterforce line of power tools. They've got a big box of goodies.
@@mattadams7922 It is nice there is another larger brand. I think the way they are doing Skil gets a bit confusing and overlaps with Flex a bit, but otherwise, yeah, they are building out an impressive lineup. I wonder if they eventually make Ego and Flex compatible with Ego being Outdoor and Flex being power tools. Skil their own consumer with some pro-super in there with Cobalt and Masterforce just being remakes of Skil...
Hello Rob. Happy Sunday. I can see the discust in the team with having to finally give Flex the belt. Even brand loyalty couldn't get red yellow blue through this one many some eyes will be opened for the better good. Carry on.
I have that super sawzall and why I love it in the beginning throughout the time that I've owned it I just don't like it as much. One of the biggest issues is the vibration ruins the battery port so when that becomes damaged, you get interment use from the tool. Since then I've switched to Metabo HPT saw and that's a very powerful saw so surprised it didn't do so well. I think the testing over emphasizes speed of cut while that's important. You usually don't go full blast as that can be a hindrance to the cut. I hate seeing my guys go full blast banging the tool and actually taking longer on a cut by creating more unnecessary vibration. I think so these saws that tested above the Metabo HPT would be excellent saws. I've tried almost all of them so I think you shouldn't over think it. Plus the Metabo HPT is also much cheaper
I sincerely hope the monetization of this video will cover the cost of your BLADES, holy cow. Despite the high score of the metabo, I don't see that plastic release lever lasting. I've used a gen1 Sawzall to cut up everything from home appliances to metal swimming pool liner walls, and it's been amazing. I'm on a gen2 milwaukee now. No surprise they scored so high in this test.
Love your vids and channel. Sittin here eatin salami & crackers and sippin on an Arnold Palmer…these go great with a TBB recip head to head! Thanks again for the hard work.
Great video. I’m honestly surprised the Kobalt Next Gen outperformed the Kobalt XTR. As of the current sale, the new Next Gen tool combo might be the best bang for your DIY Buck at $249. You get this saw, a Drill, Impact Driver, Light, Charger, and Battery……AND a free tool to add to the mix.
Thanks so much again rob for you and your teams hard work and dedication for these head to heads. I've been waiting for a while for a updated one I can't wait for the next. Can't wait to see a new impact driver and hammer drill head to head
That was a lot of work. Thank you sir. Looking forward to the bigger saws. Maybe you can include the top performing Flex and Milwaukee with the big boys just kind of as a baseline reference. Obviously not to be included in the legitimate rankings but rather to show the disparity, or lack thereof, between classes. Now I'm curious how the DeWalt Power Detect and the Compact XR would've stacked up, as well as the $300 Bosch. 17 saws was a tall order though so I understand not everything could be covered. Thanks again.
@@IMPACT-NATION Can't miss out on some of the best TH-cam tests ever. Rob's awesome. Nice to see Flex giving everyone a run for their money. I'm looking forward to the Gen 2 XGT sawzall. Happy Thanksgiving brother.
@@Tool_Addicted_Carpenter totally agree. Him and his team are hands down the most professional tool testers in the game. Xgt Gen 2 is going to be the one to beat. Happy Thanksgiving my brother. Enjoy your weekend buddy
This is my first time viewing and I really appreciate the amount of detail in your testing I now have another channel to watch for tool reviews untill now torque test channel and project farm have been the only ones I enjoy I now have another go to for in depth reviews
Great video , like you mentioned early in the video, 4 to 6amp batteries were use to keep the test even, some of the manufacturers don't offer larger batteries, the Milwaukee super sawzall combo comes with a 12 amp battery just needs to be considered.
I think both Milwaukees were tested with the 6ah HO, which for this type of tool, should give the highest power (the 12ah will give longer runtime and higher sustained power over time due to less droop under load, but I think the 6ah is capable for this use case and has higher peak numbers). According to TTC testing, the 6ah HO battery uses the highest discharge 21700 cells (peak discharge current is good for peak power), and 6ah is what I reach for when I want the highest power out of my small and mid size Milwaukee tools. 12ah for the bigger stuff like the chainsaws, mowers, blowers, table saw, etc. Fwiw, I have the old school brushed Sawzall and it has much less power needs than the 2721/22, 2822, so maybe the 8ah HO or 12ah HD is needed for peak, although I wonder about size and weight with a 12ah hanging off the back lol.
@@thepewplace1370 The 12 volt battery uses the same cells (21700) and it comes with the tool as a combo , it's a different tool when using this battery
@@LewisS6 the xc3, ho6, ho8 and hd12 all use 21700 cells, but they do not all use the same 21700 cells. This particular tool's power needs may be high enough that the ho6 suffers drop under sustained load, but the 6 outperforms the 8 and 12 in many of the small and medium size tools.
@@thepewplace1370 Xc3 doesn't use 21700 cells, they use the same 21700 cells in the HD line up , I have the whole lineup of Milwaukee batteries and from my experience and every video I've seen speaks otherwise. I agree to disagree with you
@@LewisS6 my mistake, I meant cp3.0, which does use 21700s (I forgot xc3.0 was even a thing as its kind of pointless and I don't own any). There are several videos testing this on Torque Test Channel, aVe, and some others, that are worth watching, comparing the specifications/ratings/performance of the specific 18650/21700 Samsung cells used in each battery size. Off the top of my head, it was the 40T in the 8ah and 30T in the 6ah, as they are both 5s2p but trade performance for capacity. I don't recall what's in the hd12, and if it's 30T, maybe it's losing some performance to the configuration, but small tools repeatably produce higher power using the HO6 vs HO8 or HD12, although the larger tools pretty well mandate the HD12. The HD12 is 15 cells in 5s3p, right? So did they put 40T in it as well? That would definitely cause lower performance on small tools but its resistance to voltage sag under the heavier sustained loads.
Longevity is key....I realize you can't test that but I wouldn't recommend any of the newer brands until enough time has gone by and they have proven how well they hold up to the brutality of the typical worksite. Milwaukee loyalist here but I have equal respect for DeWalt, Makita, Hitachi and some others. Ryobi and Kobalt are earning some rep in this category and have always been less money and a good choice for the tight budget buyers.
I haven’t tried the newer metabo stuff but right before it changed I bought the hitachi impact and drill kit and it died after a year, sad because I love their narrow crown stapler. The og porter cable lithium ion stuff was crazy reliable, I’m not sure about their newer stuff
I think in the near future we are going to see a plateau in raw power these tools can provide and instead see more of them going in the direction milwaukee is with one-key, the features and optimization it can give will be at a premium when a power limit is reached. I also think safety will be up there (like we are seeing with the anti kickback in drills) I think what flex has done with the vibration reduction will be replicated and improved on for sure. Really good to see how competition is driving really cool and useful innovations in these newer power tools.
Flex isn't the first to put anti vibration in their recip saw. Might be the first American company maybe, but Bosch, Makita and Hikoki/Metabo HPT have had some form of vibration mitigation in some of their saws for years.
@@N1rOx I've used a Bosch and Metabo Sawzalls in the past and their vibration mitigation doesn't come anywhere close to the Flex. You really can't understate the accomplishment of the Flex team to make such a power yet smooth saw, buddy of mine hopped in on their tools and his flex recip saw blows my milwaukee out of the waters in terms of vibration reduction and speed. Granted my milwaukee is a few years old at this point.
@@speak_na a few things. Which Bosch saw did you specifically use? Same with metabo. A lot of them don't have vibration mitigation at all so you may have used one that didn't have one. Also, there are currently two saws on the market that have excellent vibration mitigation and have more power than that flex. One such saw has been on the market since 2017.. Not to clip the flex's wings, it's just not a new thing and I just don't think flex is special in any way because they are the first American company to bring one to the table.
Used my Dewalt to cut up an entire 50 foot tree as big as a 5 gallon bucket at the base, limbs and all. Took 2 8ah batteries and two blades and about 4 hours. That's a real world test. It is a beast. I could have used a chainsaw, but wanted to see what it was capable of.
@@outofthi5world567 the material is called uninstructed ad is a common material cut with recip saws, we ensures that we cut in he same locations for consistency as well as made several cuts for repeatability of results
Would be nice if the higher voltage tools were included in these comparisons. Probably the 2 best reciprocating saws on the market weren't included. The Metabo/Hikoki 36v and the Makita orbital 40v saws.
Many people use reciprocating saws with the blade mounted upside down when cutting under door frames. Depending on the person, they usually use it with the blade attached upside down. Therefore, the grip shape of the reciprocating saw should be a shape that is easy to use even if it is used upside down. Metabo products should be difficult to use if used upside down.
Excellent research, thank you! Will be considering this information for our next purchase. Has anyone else experienced issues with the battery casing/connection for the Milwaukee M18 Fuel reciprocating saw? The vibrations cause the casing to wear out, which leads to poor battery connection, and then it shorts. In your experience, which saw has the best performance with the least vibrations and best battery casing? Thank you for your feedback.
The makita 18v and 40v on both of your reviews won 1st place on the nail embedded cut test. It seems makita really engineers there tools for carpenters and woodworkers.
I own the SKIL 3480CB. It is one of my favorite tools. I think you used a cheaper less powerful SKIL tool in your tests. In my country they have 3 versions of the SKIL recipro saw. The 3480CB is the strongest of them
Weird call on the 4ah with the Hilti. I know that they probably recommend it because the 8ah is huge but the 4ah holds their stuff back as much as any single row pack on any tool will. Recips are a weird beast. This week I have a gen 2 XGT and that Hilti and they will randomly eat each other’s lunch. They also trade off on vibration.
@@ConcordCarpenter I presumed it was Hilti’s prerogative. They chose not to release the regular two row 18650 battery pack here which is resulting in them recommending a compact battery for everything since the 8ah is so large. Even the impact driver and 6-22 drill are held back by the 4ah. Strangely, the mid torque impact wrench is an oddball and performs the same. I’ve gotten used to it, but it was definitely something that irked me at first. All of that 21700 hype getting to everyone’s head.
@@mayfieldx It’s what Hilti North America recommends. And I got news for you that you might not like: even the SR4 (hackzall) is held back by the 4ah battery.
Great work. I hope that some day soon the US government (or other) begins to mandate battery interface uniformity, so we can evaluate tools independently from the batteries, and chose and use the battery manufacturers and AH capacities that we want. This applies from the little 2AH up to the quad 12AH ridding mowers. I can see using a $300 battery in several $99 tools. Maybe you can help influence this trend.
I wondered why the metabo HPT did so badly. This isn't the one with orbital action.. I have one and that thing is a beast. I've owned three of the other brands in this review.
I was wondering why the Metabo didn’t finish at the top but they didn’t include the 36V model. That one holds its ground against against all of these and shouldn’t be overlooked for anyone looking to buy a cordless recip
No doubt that the 36volt Metabo is far and above any of these lower voltage sawzall and head to head with the super sawzall it outperforms it mainly because of its vibration dampening. I work at a scrap yard and use sawzalls 8 hrs a day 5 days a week and the only saw that hasn't given out on me within 3 months is the Metabo 36volt. And the cherry on top is that the Metabo has the 120volt adapter for when your batteries die! Not to mention it is cheaper than all 3 of the big 3's saws
Dewalt definitely needs to step up their reciprocating saw game. They have great power but need to be smoother and a rafter hook. My dewalt saw definitely doesn't compare to my coworkers milwaukee. 😒
Flex is excellent on vibration control, that tech comes from their orbital, rotary, and forced rotation polishers, some of the best in the world along with Rupes. I own a few sawzalls and hate the blade change one one of them, i think its the super sawzall non one key. The collet has to be pulled and rotated if I recall, just a hassle and tight behind that shoe and have to run the saw to stop it with the collet in fwd postion. Performance has been excellent otherwise. I would not buy it again because of the blade change hassle.
I've become something of 'the guy to ask' when it comes to power tool selection. You guys are partly to blame for that 😎. I'm hoping that some channel is going to handle the question of when do you need a 18v-/-20v tool verses a 12volt power tool. I think I'm getting this question because several tool brands have a good selection of 12v powered tools. Most of the time, my answer is, "that depends.?" Usually on more factors than they've bothered to consider. I usually tell them to some of their own research and recommend you guys.
You guys used the weaker of the skil 20v recip saws (there are 3) and put it in the same test as the dewalt XR and the other super beefy boys? There is the compact, the one you used, then there is skil's own big boy 20v brushless recip saw (beefier design than the one you used) using an included 4ah battery.
I bought into the flex line and I'm glad I did. Absolutely love my tools and have no complaints. Juat have to wait for new types of tools. Milwaukee is still king because of its vast selection though. Highly recommend the flex for those who don't need the vast selection.
Still waiting for the 18v porta bandsaw comparison. One thing I've noticed with Milwaukee lately (company provided tools so no money on my part spent) they still remain the most powerful but longevity has really gone down. The recip saws might be a bit better but we don't use them as much. But their new line of 18V bandsaw are garbage for reliability compared to the older ones. Lots of issues with the rubber on the wheels and the blade staying aligned for straight cuts. 18V drills drivers burning out after a few months of typical electrical work, new sds plus randomly loosing power. All the tools being the higher line fuel ones too
The flex has very low vibration. I own the ryobi, Milwaukee gen 2 and the flex. I use the flex on my daily job and I'm so used to it that when I pick up the other two I'm like wheres my flex. I think there's no excuse to tool companies in the last couple years that when a new saw is released it should have less and less vibration
Why on earth would you choose to exclude higher voltage machines? I could not disagree more, especially since the two best recip saws currently on the market (Makita XGT gen 2 and Hikoki Multivolt) runs on 36 volts.
@@ConcordCarpenter Except it doesn't make sense. Makita XGT competes with other high performance machines, and if I'm not mistaken is actually smaller and lighter than some of the 18-24 volt machines.
I'm not sure what happened but, it seems like my whole feed is all of your videos going back a solid month Not an issue as I love the content just something I've never seen happen
Thank you for the great video. Quick comment: I believe price is an important piece of information to use in "total rank" (and, you could have two separate tables if you like, such as "$ per feature", vs. just "features"). As you commented, using price could give an unfair advantage to the DIY tools vs. the pro tools. However, that being said, the DIY tools should then also have points deducted as features, durability, performance, etc., come in with a lower ranking. IOW, I'd prefer to spend $150 on a saw that needs to be thrown away in 2 years (allowing me to get the latest features) as opposed to spending $300 on a saw that needs to be discarded in 3 or 4 years, making me wait an additional two years to get the upgrade. It's like buying Bob's Discount Furniture, knowing you can fully swap it out in three to five years, as opposed to spending $25,000 at Raymore Flanagan and then being stuck with the furniture for the rest of your life (and God forbid it's brown).
I'd like to just point out that the quality of testing, information and comprehensiveness of this video vs the comparable low view count is a mirror held up to the reality of youtube's discouraging and often times illogical algorithm
Getting lot's of questions regarding the missing @BoschToolsNA reciprocating saw:
This is the 2nd time Bosch has declined to participate in our tests. We requested the Bosch saw, model: GDR18V1860C
They declined to participate stating continued supply chain issues and a tight budget.
Guess they don't value the eyeballs this H2H gets over the course of a year. #Bosch
They are afraid...🤣
They don't need to. Bosch sells easily without having to advertise.
Ive bought several tools based on your reviews. Have not regretted a single one. Thanks for what you guys do!
Awesome to hear that - glad we got it riught
I got a Milwaukee first gen fuel when it first came out like 9 years ago and it’s still going strong!
I got an old well used brushed one ive done things with it that should have destroyed it but didnt its insane still works fine
From 2007 we've gone through three makita saws. The first two were brush versions. We're just on with our second brushless one. They get a real beasting in all weather's all year round. So reliable and tuff. They might not be the fastest, but with the 5amp batteries they work hard all day long.
Could've sworn I watched this like 12 hours ago, and yes it's 1am
You did but I forgot to put the final ranking chart and showing the rankings of all 17 saws
@@ConcordCarpenter that would be a good reason for a re upload
@@FishFind3000 thx
Great comparison! Thank you for doing these. After owning both corded and battery Makita, Dewalt and Milwaukee tools side-by-side on job sites for years, I settled in on the Milwaukee battery platform a few years ago and sold or gave away all the corded and non-Milwaukee stuff. The Milwaukee tools and batteries are always reliable solid performers. I find these days that I grab the much smaller Milwaukee Hackzall for 80% of daily recip cut tasks and only need to haul out the big Sawzall for beast-mode work.
Same exact for me on the Milwaukee sawzall....a sharp blade and a straight cut with no binding will make for so much cutting with the M12....the big M18 is on standby for me 80% of the time.
I'm a Makita guy, but am on board with what you're saying. Very rarely do I get the big saw out. The 12v gets the brunt of use.
Same here. But I have the m18 hackzall and not the m12
I run the Dewalt platform simply because I felt it was a solid brand several years ago when I started switching my tools to cordless. They haven’t ket me down once, so won’t be buying new tools, hopefully for quite a while. The wifi hookup you can do with the Milwaukee doesn’t interest me at all, as I don’t have time to fiddle with it, and don’t care if gets up and starts talking to me, just as long as it does a solid job. Great tests and information. Always look forward to your side-by-sides, especially when you get so many brands to participate. I kinda doubt Porter Cable liked the findings, but I’m pretty sure they already know how they’re tools perform. Oh, I like that you chose to put Santa on your branded clothes, just in time for Christmas.
Have had and abused the kobalt xtr for a couple of years and have been super impressed. All my kobalt stuff has done great and is the best value out there. I still use makita impact and circular saws though.
Kobalt xtr... if you just want a comfortable, never ending power, and save a ton of money... XTR
XTR all the way baby!
cant believe the super sawzall got dethroned in both power and size by the flex, well for 18v its still a unit, well done fellas!
Probably bigger b3cause of its vibration mitigation.
It has been impressive how quickly Flex has grown and the quality of the lineup. More competition is great! And not just another version of a TTI or Dewalt tool!
Although they should have run it with a stacked lithium 6ah battery to make it fair. Every companys latest and greatest on the table. And that's coming from a heavily invested milwaukee user.
@@michaelbychkov8030 I didn't even pay attention, was the Flex using their stacked cell battery?
Nope it's just an upgraded Kobalt lol. Chervon has been killing it for years just didn't get the recognition it deserved cause it didn't have a true Pro line of tools. Now they have Ego, Flex, Kobalt, Skil, hell they even do Menards Masterforce line of power tools. They've got a big box of goodies.
@@mattadams7922 It is nice there is another larger brand. I think the way they are doing Skil gets a bit confusing and overlaps with Flex a bit, but otherwise, yeah, they are building out an impressive lineup. I wonder if they eventually make Ego and Flex compatible with Ego being Outdoor and Flex being power tools. Skil their own consumer with some pro-super in there with Cobalt and Masterforce just being remakes of Skil...
@@mattadams7922 I meant Flex has a stack battery as well don’t they? And they didn’t test that.
Would have liked to see Bosch's brushless underhand design in this test, Bosch has always made really high end sip saws
Hello Rob. Happy Sunday. I can see the discust in the team with having to finally give Flex the belt. Even brand loyalty couldn't get red yellow blue through this one many some eyes will be opened for the better good. Carry on.
I have that super sawzall and why I love it in the beginning throughout the time that I've owned it I just don't like it as much. One of the biggest issues is the vibration ruins the battery port so when that becomes damaged, you get interment use from the tool. Since then I've switched to Metabo HPT saw and that's a very powerful saw so surprised it didn't do so well. I think the testing over emphasizes speed of cut while that's important. You usually don't go full blast as that can be a hindrance to the cut. I hate seeing my guys go full blast banging the tool and actually taking longer on a cut by creating more unnecessary vibration. I think so these saws that tested above the Metabo HPT would be excellent saws. I've tried almost all of them so I think you shouldn't over think it. Plus the Metabo HPT is also much cheaper
Great test but i was happy if you could include Hercules and Bauer from HF. They are great bang for the buck.
I sincerely hope the monetization of this video will cover the cost of your BLADES, holy cow. Despite the high score of the metabo, I don't see that plastic release lever lasting. I've used a gen1 Sawzall to cut up everything from home appliances to metal swimming pool liner walls, and it's been amazing. I'm on a gen2 milwaukee now. No surprise they scored so high in this test.
Picked up the Kobalt XTR 5 tool combo last November for $349. I think at the time was easily the best bang for the buck!
Same here!
Love your vids and channel. Sittin here eatin salami & crackers and sippin on an Arnold Palmer…these go great with a TBB recip head to head! Thanks again for the hard work.
Thank you Rob and crew for all you do!
Great video. I’m honestly surprised the Kobalt Next Gen outperformed the Kobalt XTR. As of the current sale, the new Next Gen tool combo might be the best bang for your DIY Buck at $249. You get this saw, a Drill, Impact Driver, Light, Charger, and Battery……AND a free tool to add to the mix.
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Hey Rob, great review again! Should I assume the new Makita XGT 40v is in the next review?
yup
Love these tests.
Curious to hear what the crew thinks of the Gen 2 Makita XGT recip.
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Thanks so much again rob for you and your teams hard work and dedication for these head to heads. I've been waiting for a while for a updated one I can't wait for the next. Can't wait to see a new impact driver and hammer drill head to head
Excellent test from your team as usual, still like my Dewalt tools even though it didn't do as well. Thanks for your hard work on this!
Super hyped everytime a new Concord Carpenter review comes out. 👍
Thanks
That was a lot of work. Thank you sir. Looking forward to the bigger saws. Maybe you can include the top performing Flex and Milwaukee with the big boys just kind of as a baseline reference. Obviously not to be included in the legitimate rankings but rather to show the disparity, or lack thereof, between classes. Now I'm curious how the DeWalt Power Detect and the Compact XR would've stacked up, as well as the $300 Bosch. 17 saws was a tall order though so I understand not everything could be covered. Thanks again.
they were all tested at the same time - we just dont include them together- you'll be able to compare the times / results and see
My man. I knew I’d catch you here💯✊
@@IMPACT-NATION Can't miss out on some of the best TH-cam tests ever. Rob's awesome. Nice to see Flex giving everyone a run for their money. I'm looking forward to the Gen 2 XGT sawzall. Happy Thanksgiving brother.
@@Tool_Addicted_Carpenter totally agree. Him and his team are hands down the most professional tool testers in the game. Xgt Gen 2 is going to be the one to beat. Happy Thanksgiving my brother. Enjoy your weekend buddy
@@IMPACT-NATION Yessir. The Autofeed an blade stabilizer during the table saw test made that clear. Very impressive.
This is my first time viewing and I really appreciate the amount of detail in your testing I now have another channel to watch for tool reviews untill now torque test channel and project farm have been the only ones I enjoy I now have another go to for in depth reviews
Great video , like you mentioned early in the video, 4 to 6amp batteries were use to keep the test even, some of the manufacturers don't offer larger batteries, the Milwaukee super sawzall combo comes with a 12 amp battery just needs to be considered.
I think both Milwaukees were tested with the 6ah HO, which for this type of tool, should give the highest power (the 12ah will give longer runtime and higher sustained power over time due to less droop under load, but I think the 6ah is capable for this use case and has higher peak numbers). According to TTC testing, the 6ah HO battery uses the highest discharge 21700 cells (peak discharge current is good for peak power), and 6ah is what I reach for when I want the highest power out of my small and mid size Milwaukee tools. 12ah for the bigger stuff like the chainsaws, mowers, blowers, table saw, etc.
Fwiw, I have the old school brushed Sawzall and it has much less power needs than the 2721/22, 2822, so maybe the 8ah HO or 12ah HD is needed for peak, although I wonder about size and weight with a 12ah hanging off the back lol.
@@thepewplace1370 The 12 volt battery uses the same cells (21700) and it comes with the tool as a combo , it's a different tool when using this battery
@@LewisS6 the xc3, ho6, ho8 and hd12 all use 21700 cells, but they do not all use the same 21700 cells. This particular tool's power needs may be high enough that the ho6 suffers drop under sustained load, but the 6 outperforms the 8 and 12 in many of the small and medium size tools.
@@thepewplace1370
Xc3 doesn't use 21700 cells, they use the same 21700 cells in the HD line up , I have the whole lineup of Milwaukee batteries and from my experience and every video I've seen speaks otherwise. I agree to disagree with you
@@LewisS6 my mistake, I meant cp3.0, which does use 21700s (I forgot xc3.0 was even a thing as its kind of pointless and I don't own any).
There are several videos testing this on Torque Test Channel, aVe, and some others, that are worth watching, comparing the specifications/ratings/performance of the specific 18650/21700 Samsung cells used in each battery size. Off the top of my head, it was the 40T in the 8ah and 30T in the 6ah, as they are both 5s2p but trade performance for capacity.
I don't recall what's in the hd12, and if it's 30T, maybe it's losing some performance to the configuration, but small tools repeatably produce higher power using the HO6 vs HO8 or HD12, although the larger tools pretty well mandate the HD12. The HD12 is 15 cells in 5s3p, right? So did they put 40T in it as well? That would definitely cause lower performance on small tools but its resistance to voltage sag under the heavier sustained loads.
Only Milwaukee can truly call it a “sawzall” though… that’s gotta be worth some bonus points
In my mind your channel is 1st place (or possibly tied for 1st) for using truly scientific testing in real-world tasks.
Big thanks Rob and crew!,
I have an M12 fuel hackzall. It’s not as powerful as a sawzall but, it’s compact, lightweight, and quiet.
Longevity is key....I realize you can't test that but I wouldn't recommend any of the newer brands until enough time has gone by and they have proven how well they hold up to the brutality of the typical worksite. Milwaukee loyalist here but I have equal respect for DeWalt, Makita, Hitachi and some others. Ryobi and Kobalt are earning some rep in this category and have always been less money and a good choice for the tight budget buyers.
Exactly - the Flex 7-1/4" saw we tested early fall is broken now. Pretty regular job site use.
I haven’t tried the newer metabo stuff but right before it changed I bought the hitachi impact and drill kit and it died after a year, sad because I love their narrow crown stapler. The og porter cable lithium ion stuff was crazy reliable, I’m not sure about their newer stuff
As always: VERY well run, objective testing.
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I think in the near future we are going to see a plateau in raw power these tools can provide and instead see more of them going in the direction milwaukee is with one-key, the features and optimization it can give will be at a premium when a power limit is reached. I also think safety will be up there (like we are seeing with the anti kickback in drills) I think what flex has done with the vibration reduction will be replicated and improved on for sure. Really good to see how competition is driving really cool and useful innovations in these newer power tools.
Flex isn't the first to put anti vibration in their recip saw. Might be the first American company maybe, but Bosch, Makita and Hikoki/Metabo HPT have had some form of vibration mitigation in some of their saws for years.
@@N1rOx I've used a Bosch and Metabo Sawzalls in the past and their vibration mitigation doesn't come anywhere close to the Flex. You really can't understate the accomplishment of the Flex team to make such a power yet smooth saw, buddy of mine hopped in on their tools and his flex recip saw blows my milwaukee out of the waters in terms of vibration reduction and speed. Granted my milwaukee is a few years old at this point.
@@speak_na a few things. Which Bosch saw did you specifically use? Same with metabo. A lot of them don't have vibration mitigation at all so you may have used one that didn't have one. Also, there are currently two saws on the market that have excellent vibration mitigation and have more power than that flex. One such saw has been on the market since 2017.. Not to clip the flex's wings, it's just not a new thing and I just don't think flex is special in any way because they are the first American company to bring one to the table.
@@N1rOx @speak_NA What is American about Flex? They are Chinese AF.
@@hubzo1 I think it's originally German but has since been bought by Chevron a long while back.
Thank you guys for another great video 👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
Absolutely love these videos. Great job!
Great video i am just curious how festool will perform in this tests
Used my Dewalt to cut up an entire 50 foot tree as big as a 5 gallon bucket at the base, limbs and all. Took 2 8ah batteries and two blades and about 4 hours. That's a real world test. It is a beast. I could have used a chainsaw, but wanted to see what it was capable of.
On your video at 6:07 it seams you have timed cuts where there was less materiel due to pre drilled holes in the materiel.
@@outofthi5world567 the material is called uninstructed ad is a common material cut with recip saws, we ensures that we cut in he same locations for consistency as well as made several cuts for repeatability of results
Best recip saw at the moment is the Makita XGT gen2
Would be nice if the higher voltage tools were included in these comparisons. Probably the 2 best reciprocating saws on the market weren't included. The Metabo/Hikoki 36v and the Makita orbital 40v saws.
they're coming next - same timed tests so you can compare all
Excellent work guys.
Very thorough testing - this is really helpful to me, thank you.
I've missed these head to heads. Slightly disappointed Bosch didn't show up!
Many people use reciprocating saws with the blade mounted upside down when cutting under door frames. Depending on the person, they usually use it with the blade attached upside down. Therefore, the grip shape of the reciprocating saw should be a shape that is easy to use even if it is used upside down. Metabo products should be difficult to use if used upside down.
I really thought this was going to be another bs testing vid but the tests were done very well. Good stuff 👏
Mike - Have you seen our other Head2Heat tests?
These guys are legit
Great report, thank you!👍
Why didn’t you guys test the Hercules or Bauer reciprocating saw
Great job guys - and thanks so much for all the excellent content. Happy Thanksgiving.
Excellent research, thank you! Will be considering this information for our next purchase. Has anyone else experienced issues with the battery casing/connection for the Milwaukee M18 Fuel reciprocating saw? The vibrations cause the casing to wear out, which leads to poor battery connection, and then it shorts. In your experience, which saw has the best performance with the least vibrations and best battery casing? Thank you for your feedback.
Yes, I am going through the same problem as you. Also the Hercules has the same issue.
The makita 18v and 40v on both of your reviews won 1st place on the nail embedded cut test. It seems makita really engineers there tools for carpenters and woodworkers.
Great video as always
God I wish Dewalt would put a rafter hook on their sawzalls.
Thank you for doing this! Love these youtube reviews
Bet the neighbors go on vacation when they know a head to head test is coming! 😅
Give them a saw at the end ;)
I own the SKIL 3480CB. It is one of my favorite tools. I think you used a cheaper less powerful SKIL tool in your tests. In my country they have 3 versions of the SKIL recipro saw. The 3480CB is the strongest of them
The best reviewer on the planet
Awesome video! Great work!
Weird call on the 4ah with the Hilti. I know that they probably recommend it because the 8ah is huge but the 4ah holds their stuff back as much as any single row pack on any tool will. Recips are a weird beast. This week I have a gen 2 XGT and that Hilti and they will randomly eat each other’s lunch. They also trade off on vibration.
We give them a range of 4-6Ah and they send what they send
@@ConcordCarpenter Hilti sent you the b22-85 battery to test the SR6😳 b22-170 the one they should have sent. B22-85 is for the SR4.
@@ConcordCarpenter I presumed it was Hilti’s prerogative. They chose not to release the regular two row 18650 battery pack here which is resulting in them recommending a compact battery for everything since the 8ah is so large. Even the impact driver and 6-22 drill are held back by the 4ah. Strangely, the mid torque impact wrench is an oddball and performs the same. I’ve gotten used to it, but it was definitely something that irked me at first. All of that 21700 hype getting to everyone’s head.
@@mayfieldx It’s what Hilti North America recommends. And I got news for you that you might not like: even the SR4 (hackzall) is held back by the 4ah battery.
@@robertrada4783 they should have never made the 4ah, they should have stuck with the 5.2 or a 6. I notice the same as you stated above
Really good video, although, I can say that about any of your videos. Thanks to you and your team for a job well done.
no bosch ?
I got a old USA made Porter Cable tiger saw reciprocating saw 629 still going strong
Any chance in the future you can also add the voltage of the tools in a non-scored category?
Once again guys another great vid thx
Bauer has a recip too
Why not include Bauer and Hercules for all the Harbor Freight customers?
At least just hercules
Great work. I hope that some day soon the US government (or other) begins to mandate battery interface uniformity, so we can evaluate tools independently from the batteries, and chose and use the battery manufacturers and AH capacities that we want. This applies from the little 2AH up to the quad 12AH ridding mowers. I can see using a $300 battery in several $99 tools. Maybe you can help influence this trend.
I always appreciate your time & efforts. Awesome!
Can I see a solid piece of timber being without drill holes let see it works
Thanks for the hard work
I wondered why the metabo HPT did so badly. This isn't the one with orbital action.. I have one and that thing is a beast. I've owned three of the other brands in this review.
It’s the 18v Metabo hpt not the 36v otherwise metabo would be on top.
Am I right in saying the super sawzall sits above the one key price wise?
Great Vid.
Do you think the Milwaukee Sawzall 2822-20 & the 2821-20 would have the same results only difference being the OneKey?
I was wondering why the Metabo didn’t finish at the top but they didn’t include the 36V model. That one holds its ground against against all of these and shouldn’t be overlooked for anyone looking to buy a cordless recip
No doubt that the 36volt Metabo is far and above any of these lower voltage sawzall and head to head with the super sawzall it outperforms it mainly because of its vibration dampening. I work at a scrap yard and use sawzalls 8 hrs a day 5 days a week and the only saw that hasn't given out on me within 3 months is the Metabo 36volt. And the cherry on top is that the Metabo has the 120volt adapter for when your batteries die! Not to mention it is cheaper than all 3 of the big 3's saws
They also used the LT model not the LTX one which has vibration dampening
I’m from western mass and we call it data not dada lol keep up the great job
haha - your on the west cost
@@ConcordCarpenter yes the part of Massachusetts no one knows of
Dewalt definitely needs to step up their reciprocating saw game. They have great power but need to be smoother and a rafter hook. My dewalt saw definitely doesn't compare to my coworkers milwaukee. 😒
Agreed on the vibe and hook
Dewalt does have 60v saws. But mine lacks a rafter hook.
It would've been nice to see all the reciprocating saws, like the Makita xgt, metabo hpt 36, and dawalt flexvolt
They will be covered in our next head-to-head higher capacity saws
How come the Hercules recip saw wasn’t tested. I think it would fall somewhere in the middle
Harbor Freight?
Flex is excellent on vibration control, that tech comes from their orbital, rotary, and forced rotation polishers, some of the best in the world along with Rupes. I own a few sawzalls and hate the blade change one one of them, i think its the super sawzall non one key. The collet has to be pulled and rotated if I recall, just a hassle and tight behind that shoe and have to run the saw to stop it with the collet in fwd postion. Performance has been excellent otherwise. I would not buy it again because of the blade change hassle.
Milwaukee & ergonomics aren't usually 2 words used in the same sentence.
Why no 36v or 40v makita or flex volt
coming next
I've become something of 'the guy to ask' when it comes to power tool selection. You guys are partly to blame for that 😎.
I'm hoping that some channel is going to handle the question of when do you need a 18v-/-20v tool verses a 12volt power tool. I think I'm getting this question because several tool brands have a good selection of 12v powered tools.
Most of the time, my answer is, "that depends.?" Usually on more factors than they've bothered to consider. I usually tell them to some of their own research and recommend you guys.
You guys used the weaker of the skil 20v recip saws (there are 3) and put it in the same test as the dewalt XR and the other super beefy boys?
There is the compact, the one you used, then there is skil's own big boy 20v brushless recip saw (beefier design than the one you used) using an included 4ah battery.
I bought into the flex line and I'm glad I did. Absolutely love my tools and have no complaints. Juat have to wait for new types of tools. Milwaukee is still king because of its vast selection though. Highly recommend the flex for those who don't need the vast selection.
Great video!!
Bru my homie @projectfarm could have done all that with a vice, a string, and an old dumbell...
Superb thanks.
Still waiting for the 18v porta bandsaw comparison.
One thing I've noticed with Milwaukee lately (company provided tools so no money on my part spent) they still remain the most powerful but longevity has really gone down. The recip saws might be a bit better but we don't use them as much. But their new line of 18V bandsaw are garbage for reliability compared to the older ones. Lots of issues with the rubber on the wheels and the blade staying aligned for straight cuts. 18V drills drivers burning out after a few months of typical electrical work, new sds plus randomly loosing power. All the tools being the higher line fuel ones too
The milwaukee may cut fast, but you pay with your wrists
The flex has very low vibration. I own the ryobi, Milwaukee gen 2 and the flex. I use the flex on my daily job and I'm so used to it that when I pick up the other two I'm like wheres my flex. I think there's no excuse to tool companies in the last couple years that when a new saw is released it should have less and less vibration
@@weldonpinder7295. Hello! What do you think of metaba 36volt? Have you use that or heard about them?(In terms of vibration control?)
How did the Kobalt beat Milwaukee in anything ?
Why on earth would you choose to exclude higher voltage machines? I could not disagree more, especially since the two best recip saws currently on the market (Makita XGT gen 2 and Hikoki Multivolt) runs on 36 volts.
We separate them into a separate Head-2-Head to level the paying field. We've done this before and it makes sense.
@@ConcordCarpenter Except it doesn't make sense. Makita XGT competes with other high performance machines, and if I'm not mistaken is actually smaller and lighter than some of the 18-24 volt machines.
why is black and decker not on the list?
I'm not sure what happened but, it seems like my whole feed is all of your videos going back a solid month
Not an issue as I love the content just something I've never seen happen
love it
The only thing to be said here is “ IT DOESNT GET ANY BETTER THAN THIS”
thx
Thank you for the great video. Quick comment: I believe price is an important piece of information to use in "total rank" (and, you could have two separate tables if you like, such as "$ per feature", vs. just "features"). As you commented, using price could give an unfair advantage to the DIY tools vs. the pro tools. However, that being said, the DIY tools should then also have points deducted as features, durability, performance, etc., come in with a lower ranking. IOW, I'd prefer to spend $150 on a saw that needs to be thrown away in 2 years (allowing me to get the latest features) as opposed to spending $300 on a saw that needs to be discarded in 3 or 4 years, making me wait an additional two years to get the upgrade. It's like buying Bob's Discount Furniture, knowing you can fully swap it out in three to five years, as opposed to spending $25,000 at Raymore Flanagan and then being stuck with the furniture for the rest of your life (and God forbid it's brown).
If you want a real surprise get a hold of a Ridgid Gen-X4 recip saw and try that - it is faster, quieter and far smoother than many brands.
Pity you didnt test the new Metabo SSEP 18 LTX. I'd like to see this new product against other brands.