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The armor of obj703ii is questinable. Big guns like bz overmatch the turret roof. 270 heat goes through also. 225 ap is enough to pen right next to the gun and if you are below your enemy the engine deck is made of paper. Its fun to double shoot but thats about it.
Skorp is surprise pick for top tier, but I get it, the gun combined with the mobility makes it amazing. Contradictious is a top tier tank, just bit annoying since the 2shot mechanic is useless.
I think I agree about the BZ-176: it's not even OP, but something else. I have it and rarely enjoy playing it, just as I don't enjoy playing against it, especially with equal or lower tier tanks. They could try rebalancing it for tier 8 or 9 (say give it more HP, keep the same armor, rework shell types and give it a better gun handling) or even taking it out and compensating people with gold, idk. I wouldn't mind any solution that makes WoT a little bit more balanced. I think it doesn't make sense that after they nerfed the HE shell mechanics, they kept introducing and selling tanks that rely or are supposed to rely on high HE penetration, despite having shit gun handling at the same time (like BZ and Caliban).
Ka-ri has nearly the same armor as jagtiger p. Significantly better mobility in reality, on paper they may seem similar. More accurate gun, better soft stats, with better ammo. The gun arc is better. The viewrange and camo are better.
Personaly i really like bisonte. The pen on standard and gold is good. It does 50kph with turbo and has armor, and can burst 1000 damage. Similar characteristics as bz-176. If the gun was better or it had more dpm it would be broken.
38:03 better idea is trading a WZ-111 and getting ELC for something like 300 gold :D did the same for the HWK 30 edit: oh, there it is, you said it yourself :D
Nemesis is significantly worse than 122tm because it has the gun low in the turret and when you peek it has a giant tumor that is easily penned and the the soft stats are so poor that you propably miss your return shot. The only redeeming feature is the he ammo on it.
Bz should get the he ammo pen reduced to half of what it is now. Maybe to balance have the ap just have the standard 225 pen. It would reduce the dpm significantly. Yes i have one yes its toxic. I dont actualy feel its overall more powerful than skoda t56. Its just toxic because it boosts in to position and two shots the tanks still getting there
Hi Max, thanks for the tier list, i'm a F2P player that has progetto as the only great tank, i have the liberte, patriot, chrysler and 112 but i dont enjoy them for one reason or another, and i'm thinking of doing a trade_in event, what 2 tanks do you recommand from these ? 274a, CS 52 LIS, 122TM or maybe even M48 RPz "after listening to your opinion on it"
It seems like you don't like heavy tanks, just like me. I'm a big medium and light enjoyer but considering how painful light gameplay is nowadays, I pretty much only play meds. GSOR1010 and Altproto AMX 30 are my babies. I do not recommend 274a. It has very little hit points, horrendous gun handling for 320 alpha and poor acceleration. It is very frustrating. I got a rental once and thought it would be an enjoyable experience. It wasn't. It only shines in a flat hulldown position where you have time to aim. You need to be passive and patient with it because you cannot do snapshot or trade. 122TM is interesting. It's a bit like the 274a but less frustrating. You hit harder, you don't miss half of your shots, you have more gun depression and more hit points. You just lose on DPM, mobility and get bigger cupolas but since they are visually hidden by the weird thing on the turret people don't shoot at them as often as they could. It can snipe, play as a heavy, trade, has excellent standard and gold shells. A reliable all rounder. You need to do damage consistently over the course of the battle and can never engage in a 1v1 brawl. I reach very high DPG in this tank compared to my normal skill level so I am very biased in its favor. Its ability to shine at close range means you spot for yourself, resulting in more credits. The Lis is the best but for a free to play player, it's tough to recommend. It's a fun version of the 274a since it can be played a lot more aggressively as its gun handling is great and it's very nimble. It's a much more "stressful" tank to play than the 122TM. 122TM is chill. The Lis is a lot more gold shells dependant because the standard rounds have mediocre pen and potato velocity. It will outperform the 2 previous tanks in the hands of a good player who doesn't hesitate to fire gold. You'll miss out on a lot of what makes this tank great by shooting mostly AP. Lis is the quintessential tier 8 medium tank in a way. I don't know about the Shovel so I can't talk about it. Between the 3 others, the choice is between the 122TM and the Lis in my opinion. 122TM for chill pseudo-heavy gameplay, Lis for crazy snapshots and fast gameplay. Both need to fire some gold but 122TM will have a lower ammunition cost overall and the standard shells are best in many situation for 122TM while Lis always suffers from firing AP. Note : I haven't played 122TM for quite a while, it may suffer more now from battles getting shorter and shorter. You should trade Chrysler by the way, it's horrible for credits and Patriot is flat out better. Since both are american heavies, you don't lose a crew training premium like you would by trading 112.
@ thanks for the feedback, i can trade alpine tiger or Mauerbreaker so no problem there, the shovel seems like it’s a better patriot in every way, apart from the turret, I never knew how good it was until now.
Ebr viewrange means nothing because nothing can hit it. You can zoom around and mot players wont even bother to aim ar you. As soon as you see your teams ebr die you just think o we lost this one.
Pepega Aim army raise ! Seriously it's not that hard especially with that new crew skill boosting shell speed. People need to learn to aim ahead of the tank where it's going to be in a second. Even with old man's aim you can hit fast moving targets as long as it doesn't do a 180 turn at that exact moment. I'm a fairly good player with horrrendous aim (worse than QB's aim).
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putting 130pm into avoid is just crazy decision
Max is so clueless, its actually funny to watch
I feel like it’s just a better skorp g and he has it in s?? That’s crazy
He put Senlac, GSOR 1010 and Astron rex too but WZ111 in short list with the horrific jg88 and T42. I can't believe that.
It has a derpy gun. Skorp is just better.
Thanks!
Can we please have a list with all the time marks for all the tanks for easy access?
The armor of obj703ii is questinable. Big guns like bz overmatch the turret roof. 270 heat goes through also. 225 ap is enough to pen right next to the gun and if you are below your enemy the engine deck is made of paper. Its fun to double shoot but thats about it.
Skorp is surprise pick for top tier, but I get it, the gun combined with the mobility makes it amazing. Contradictious is a top tier tank, just bit annoying since the 2shot mechanic is useless.
I think I agree about the BZ-176: it's not even OP, but something else. I have it and rarely enjoy playing it, just as I don't enjoy playing against it, especially with equal or lower tier tanks. They could try rebalancing it for tier 8 or 9 (say give it more HP, keep the same armor, rework shell types and give it a better gun handling) or even taking it out and compensating people with gold, idk. I wouldn't mind any solution that makes WoT a little bit more balanced. I think it doesn't make sense that after they nerfed the HE shell mechanics, they kept introducing and selling tanks that rely or are supposed to rely on high HE penetration, despite having shit gun handling at the same time (like BZ and Caliban).
I think even90 has enough camo that if it sits still in a thick bush the only way to spot it is to proxy it.
Ka-ri has nearly the same armor as jagtiger p. Significantly better mobility in reality, on paper they may seem similar. More accurate gun, better soft stats, with better ammo. The gun arc is better. The viewrange and camo are better.
Personaly i really like bisonte. The pen on standard and gold is good. It does 50kph with turbo and has armor, and can burst 1000 damage. Similar characteristics as bz-176. If the gun was better or it had more dpm it would be broken.
WZ 111 was worth 10m credits because you can get gold out of it in the next trade in event! :)
38:03 better idea is trading a WZ-111 and getting ELC for something like 300 gold :D
did the same for the HWK 30
edit: oh, there it is, you said it yourself :D
Nemesis is significantly worse than 122tm because it has the gun low in the turret and when you peek it has a giant tumor that is easily penned and the the soft stats are so poor that you propably miss your return shot. The only redeeming feature is the he ammo on it.
Bz should get the he ammo pen reduced to half of what it is now. Maybe to balance have the ap just have the standard 225 pen. It would reduce the dpm significantly. Yes i have one yes its toxic. I dont actualy feel its overall more powerful than skoda t56. Its just toxic because it boosts in to position and two shots the tanks still getting there
Where can I see the list of tanks and their rating?
The community should gift him 59 Patton’s....lots of it 😂
did i miss something? where's the T-103?
703 ll??
Hi Max, thanks for the tier list, i'm a F2P player that has progetto as the only great tank, i have the liberte, patriot, chrysler and 112 but i dont enjoy them for one reason or another, and i'm thinking of doing a trade_in event, what 2 tanks do you recommand from these ? 274a, CS 52 LIS, 122TM or maybe even M48 RPz "after listening to your opinion on it"
I am not really sure. I wouldn't really want to trade any of those in for something else.
trade the Liberté, it costs the most gold, and you can get it back for bonds if you really miss it and you can get the LIS for about 1100 gold
@ I can get the b::l breaker( Mauerbreaker) from referral I kinda like Liberte but I get bored from it
It seems like you don't like heavy tanks, just like me. I'm a big medium and light enjoyer but considering how painful light gameplay is nowadays, I pretty much only play meds. GSOR1010 and Altproto AMX 30 are my babies.
I do not recommend 274a. It has very little hit points, horrendous gun handling for 320 alpha and poor acceleration. It is very frustrating. I got a rental once and thought it would be an enjoyable experience. It wasn't. It only shines in a flat hulldown position where you have time to aim. You need to be passive and patient with it because you cannot do snapshot or trade.
122TM is interesting. It's a bit like the 274a but less frustrating. You hit harder, you don't miss half of your shots, you have more gun depression and more hit points. You just lose on DPM, mobility and get bigger cupolas but since they are visually hidden by the weird thing on the turret people don't shoot at them as often as they could. It can snipe, play as a heavy, trade, has excellent standard and gold shells. A reliable all rounder. You need to do damage consistently over the course of the battle and can never engage in a 1v1 brawl. I reach very high DPG in this tank compared to my normal skill level so I am very biased in its favor. Its ability to shine at close range means you spot for yourself, resulting in more credits.
The Lis is the best but for a free to play player, it's tough to recommend. It's a fun version of the 274a since it can be played a lot more aggressively as its gun handling is great and it's very nimble. It's a much more "stressful" tank to play than the 122TM. 122TM is chill. The Lis is a lot more gold shells dependant because the standard rounds have mediocre pen and potato velocity. It will outperform the 2 previous tanks in the hands of a good player who doesn't hesitate to fire gold. You'll miss out on a lot of what makes this tank great by shooting mostly AP. Lis is the quintessential tier 8 medium tank in a way.
I don't know about the Shovel so I can't talk about it. Between the 3 others, the choice is between the 122TM and the Lis in my opinion. 122TM for chill pseudo-heavy gameplay, Lis for crazy snapshots and fast gameplay. Both need to fire some gold but 122TM will have a lower ammunition cost overall and the standard shells are best in many situation for 122TM while Lis always suffers from firing AP.
Note : I haven't played 122TM for quite a while, it may suffer more now from battles getting shorter and shorter.
You should trade Chrysler by the way, it's horrible for credits and Patriot is flat out better. Since both are american heavies, you don't lose a crew training premium like you would by trading 112.
@ thanks for the feedback, i can trade alpine tiger or Mauerbreaker so no problem there, the shovel seems like it’s a better patriot in every way, apart from the turret, I never knew how good it was until now.
To put the pm130 so low even tho it is basically a skorpion with better pen and better cammo. This clearly a rage bait lol
Can i very pleae have a video on m4 rev?💔
From all VIII tier premiums Astron Rex is THE ONE u don't want to meet in 1v1 scenario
Or KPZ07 RH if any part of your tank is weakly armored.
You have to watch Godpack eating Surstroming...
I have, it was amazing 😂
Burrasque is not a tier 8 medium. Its a tier 10 light. Dont belive me? Compare it against tesak.
Yeah that's no secret that borrat is stupidly broken because of that ability to roleplay as a hard-hitting medium or a light at will.
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British and Tea, and Tanks,😂😂😂😂😂 I can think of many jokes about this connection😂😂😂😂 Could be offensive to you.😂😂😂😂😂
Ebr viewrange means nothing because nothing can hit it. You can zoom around and mot players wont even bother to aim ar you. As soon as you see your teams ebr die you just think o we lost this one.
Pepega Aim army raise !
Seriously it's not that hard especially with that new crew skill boosting shell speed. People need to learn to aim ahead of the tank where it's going to be in a second. Even with old man's aim you can hit fast moving targets as long as it doesn't do a 180 turn at that exact moment. I'm a fairly good player with horrrendous aim (worse than QB's aim).
I am dismayed. I left a long wholesome comment and it got automatically deleted by youtube. This is aberrant.
TH-cam comments are not a place for discussion anymore because of their disgusting automated moderation. That's sad.
You left it on the other video. This is the VOD for the stream.
Astron rex poo? what?
He made it very clear that the rating was based on his preferences, not the objective potential of the tank.
great tank ......also disagree gsor td .... im over 52% on both 53 on astron............... im average player s
ebt and bz 56%