@s0ccer96 to be fair, i see alot of people talking about gen 1 for their classic muscle car look and the gen 3 for being the latest generation of the s550.
@@enflamedpapaya8592I’d disagree with that because most s550’s on TH-cam are literally 2015-2017’s. When I try to look up builds or cosmetic mods for my 2020 I can’t find anything because every s550 video is about a 2015-2017. The 2018-2023’s get no love aside from the 10r80 transmission being an option
I drive a 2018 GT Premium with Performance Package 1, Magna ride, 6 speed, and active valve exhaust. Stone cold love the car. I have driven a Mustang with the Tremac 6 speed, and wish I had been able to get that trans with my car. However, I have no real complaints about Getrag in my car. I like the front end on the S650 much better than my S550. I HATE the iPad dash on the S650! I have taken several great 2,000 to 3,000 mile road trips in my S550. For me me, a near perfect 2 person road trip car. I’ll probably get a S650 in a couple of years, but I’m in no hurry. Every time I drive my S550 I still get a big smile - This is the car I wanted when I was 16, I’m now in my 70’s, and I couldn’t be happier - Happy motoring 🤠🇺🇸
Your channel should be a lot bigger imo. You put out well produced frequent content that any car enthusiast can enjoy. Your comparisons are informative and entertaining. Keep up the great work in 2024!
I got excited about the 650 when announced, but research proved my dollar went further with the 550 and I’m happy as a clam. Mustangs have never been canyon carvers, so the steering is what it is. Nice comparison, thanks for doing it!
I have a 16 with Performance pack, and I absolutely love it. One notable thing is that the manual 15-17 have the shortest gear ratios among the modern Mustangs. The 18+ and Tremecs have longer gears. 1:1 is 5th on the 11-17 while it's 4th on the 18+. It may not be as good as a Tremec, but with the 3.73 diff on the Performance pack, and you got pretty short ratios that are fun in town.
It was actually designed by a group of Gen Z. So not as smart as AI. More aggressive front like a Challenger, rear fenders like a Camaro, cheaper BMW-like interior and the rest is S550 Mustang. Actually, the front is more like a Honda Accord. This thing has an identity crisis.
Great show brilliant I love the new model but i have the 2019 Mustang GT with all the extras on and I see no difference thank you from Sydney Australia 😊
Interesting comparison, Fenton! Savagegeese recommended the Comfort Steering setting in the S550, and I gotta say, it feels more natural than Sport. I've kept mine in Comfort ever since. You should try it and compare. Would love to hear your thoughts!
In some situations I prefer the engine in the Mustang GT, and I definitely value its superior visibility, but as a performance/track car the SS 1LE is better in every other way.
'Revving out to over 7k...' Can I ask how? If I'm not mistaken, this is a gen2 Coyote, so the redline is 6500rpm, is it not? edit: Nvm.. he just mispoke.. The B-Roll of the interior shows the redline is 6500rpm
Very honest assessment. I have a Heavily modified 2020 10R80 GT. Love it but because it’s heavy the handling around canyons is still not crisp enough despite all the suspension upgrades I’ve done. This new S650 in my opinion should have been at least 100 pound lighter in the nose and awd with a traction control switch to get you rwd for any spin action.
@@amiller2121 it would attract people from other markets that recognise the improved traction and handling though. I think a 5L 10R80 AWD stang even in stock format would give a lot of high performance euros a real hard time.
@@CoyoteAUSawd doesn't necessarily mean more traction at the limit. Given the car is already heavy, awd will make it 4000+lb, not a worthy trade off. Ford can make a sedan version of the mustang tho, put v8 and awd in it.
My 2nd car was a 93’ FOX GT and ever since then I was hooked. Even way back then, the FIVE OH with Flomaster exhaust had such a distinct sound. 30 years later the Mustang is still class leading when it comes to engine noise and exhaust. Them FORD engineers have PHD’s in acoustics and understand how the sound of a performance car translates directly to the emotion we get when on throttle. It’s a large % of the experience which is why the Five OH will always have a fighting chance. And that Coyote engine is a technical marvel with its Quad Cam design. Compared to its contemporaries in the Camaro and Dodge brothers, it’s league more sophisticated than the push rods. The Coyote trades revs for torque and to be honest, on the track it has served the Mustang well when run directly against the SS 1LE. I’ve had a 16’ SS 1LE and a C6Z with that LS7. I mention this to show I am a fan of American performance cars for their V8s. I’ve also had a few Mustangs. Stoplight to stoplight give me the Camaro and it’s torque. But on a track with curves and straights, and the Camaro will see those tri bar LEDs more often than not with all things being equal. Stock for stock. Same driver. The Camaro may have more feel but we cannot let that detract from the fact the Mustang, post 2018 with the Gen 3 Coyote, took the top stop on the podium as the fastest American Pony car on track. And I’m not even talking the GT350 or R variants. I’m talking like for like. 5.0 vs SS 1LE. Throttle House tested the MACH 1, SS 1LE and the Dark Horse. The DH smashed the other two. It hung a time up near the monstrous M5 COmp. The MACH 1 beat the SS by a considerable margin as well. These times were posted by Thomas, the creator of the channel and a race car instructor. Who has tested hundreds of cars on a track he knows very well. Thomas is a self admitted Bow tie boot kicker and you could see him struggle when having to report the results. Randy Pobst, HALL OF FAME race car driver ran a MACH against the SS 1LE and the MACH again posted the faster time. Car and Driver does it’s annual Lightning Lap and the fastest car they’ve EVER tested under $75k was the MACH 1. 3.5 seconds faster than the SS 1LE. It crushed it. Thr GT350R finished .4 behind the Mach 1 and the 2018 GT PP2 beat the SS by 2 full seconds. So…. The Camaro may have more feel but on a track. The Mustang is the faster and better performing car
I think your summary of the track performance of the PP2 and Mach1 vs the SS 1LE is inaccurate. In Randy Pobst test of the Mach 1 and SS 1LE, he was using a brand new Mach 1, but the SS 1LE was 5 years old and (per Randy on the video) something was wrong with the brakes (bad brake fluid or pads, but either way there was fade - OEM 1LE brakes don't fade - I have 3 seasons of track experience to confirm that). At any rate, the cars two cars put up very similar times, with Ford relying to wider, stickier tires (305F 315R, Cup 2s) than the 1LE to make that possible. As to the same indirect comparison at Lightning lap, you are trying to compare times that were set 5 years apart from one another (different drivers, different ambient conditions, likely even different surface grip. You simply can't compare them. For the PP2 comparison, I'm not aware of a test where the PP2 was even able to tie the SS 1LE for a lap time. And even if it was able, it lacks the coolers to enable you to do more than a few laps before the components get too hot and go into limp mode. Thus not sure why you bothered to put the PP2 into this comparo argument. I will concede the S550 Mustang is a bit faster on the 1/2 mile VIR back straight, owing to the 30 extra horsepower (and probably more aerodynamic front nose).
Am I the only person that hates screens in cars, can't even turn them off anymore...Considering you like s2000s so much and they have terrible steering this must be bad.
Thank you for your honest comparison. I've been saying all along the differences aren't that great unless you want those screens which I don't care for. Now, if Ford would have put in an AWD system like the Nissan GTR we'd be in business. I'd be running to the dealer. Hinestly, ONLY reason I don't buy the GTR is because of that hideous front end. My othwr reason for not getting the S650 is those taillights are hideous as well.
I miss the days, when a new gen Mustang or Camaro came out how different they looked. Now they are almost identical. I also hate the dash on the new Mustangs. I'll be buying a GT convertible next, year, I'll stick with a 2023 or older, and save about 25 grand over the price of a new one.
Love the new mustang, but would prefer it didn't have the giant screens as that's just something else to go wrong over time. KISS (keep it simple stupid) to Ford
Thank you for commenting on the steering feel. Most other reviewers just go "it's not that bad". And for the thorough comparison in general. Do you happen to know how 370Z (yes, the old one) compares to these steering-wise?
I own a 370Z and have driven several S550s, which I like very much. The steering on the Z is however in a different league - a quicker rack and pin sharp, all the more so with decent tyres (say, Michelins over the OEMs)
So it's a comparison between a Gen 2 Coyote vs. a Gen 4 Coyote. And not only that, Ford made several other improvements on the 2018+. The Gen 3 S550 is much better than the S650 by all accounts (except the rear brakes). Your conclusions are accurate.
He said 30 to 35 2023 California Special S550 53000 MSRP now throw interest gas guzzler tax all the mark ups warranties and now where you at a far cry from 35
Where are you going to get a manual 6 speed V-8 with incredible brakes besides the Mustang. I have 3000 miles in the S650. It is significantly better made car over the S550. In every area period!!! The Ford engineers improved over >113 areas on the car. Quit bitching!!!! Oh we weighed the same configuration of a 2023 GT to the same configuration in the S650 and the weight was within 10 pounds of each other. It is not difficult to reduce the weight either on the Mustang to get it closer to 3500 pounds. So much negativity and so many bullshit comments made about the S650. Go to a cars and coffee meet and the new car outshines the older cars tremendously!!! On the track with the Dark Horse is also significantly better than the Mach I !!! The Mach I is great, but the Dark Horse is better. The S650 GT is better than the S550 in every way. If you don’t have hours in the new car then you just don’t know. Go test drive the car. Everyone is impressed and they are selling accordingly also!!! Cheers 😎👍👊💪🇺🇸
It's more of the issue that our money is not worth what it used to be. I buy a new truck every 4 years, and my last truck was 52k vs 36k in 2019 and 30k in 2014.
It's not the weight. It's Fords soft tuning. So please stop saying it's the weight. Try a PP2 or Mach 1 Handling package. All you JDM guys think it's the weight. It's not. It's the springs. Super soft.
You got a point, but don't you think it's really both? He's tested the Mach 1 back to back with a 1LE. Stiffer suspension (springs, shocks, sways) help hide weight, but a nearly 4000lb Dark Horse will never feel like a 3000lb Foxbody w/ a Maximum Motorsports package. Weight & wheelbase can't be completely engineered away, even with rear-steer on higher-end cars. He tests a lot of light cars, on tight roads, so weight will always show some symptoms, & the stiffest setting is rarely the best on those roads. On a longer smoother track, sure.
Spring rates will only take you so far. At some point the laws of physics do take over - so yeah, weight matters. The old saying goes, "add power to a car and you'll make it faster in a straight line. Subtract weight and you make it faster everywhere." At the end of the day, weight matters a lot more than the marketing people want you to believe that it does.
Good to see some 15-17 gt content. Seems like everyone forgot about them after the 2018 came out.
I mean we’re in 2024 now bro.
@@s0ccer96 ok? My point still stands lol
@s0ccer96 to be fair, i see alot of people talking about gen 1 for their classic muscle car look and the gen 3 for being the latest generation of the s550.
Gen 1 FM still looks the best imo
@@enflamedpapaya8592I’d disagree with that because most s550’s on TH-cam are literally 2015-2017’s. When I try to look up builds or cosmetic mods for my 2020 I can’t find anything because every s550 video is about a 2015-2017. The 2018-2023’s get no love aside from the 10r80 transmission being an option
I drive a 2018 GT Premium with Performance Package 1, Magna ride, 6 speed, and active valve exhaust. Stone cold love the car. I have driven a Mustang with the Tremac 6 speed, and wish I had been able to get that trans with my car. However, I have no real complaints about Getrag in my car. I like the front end on the S650 much better than my S550. I HATE the iPad dash on the S650! I have taken several great 2,000 to 3,000 mile road trips in my S550. For me me, a near perfect 2 person road trip car. I’ll probably get a S650 in a couple of years, but I’m in no hurry. Every time I drive my S550 I still get a big smile - This is the car I wanted when I was 16, I’m now in my 70’s, and I couldn’t be happier - Happy motoring 🤠🇺🇸
People hate on the new mustang but most people hating on it are just groupies getting on the bandwagon.
The new mustang is NICE!!
Heated and Cooled seats in a 2017 Mustang. What a value.
I don’t think the changes are worth the price bump over the S550, unless you have an obsession with screens.
Your channel should be a lot bigger imo. You put out well produced frequent content that any car enthusiast can enjoy. Your comparisons are informative and entertaining. Keep up the great work in 2024!
2015-2017 look better still then new one
hell no
@@robijae they do look better
I got excited about the 650 when announced, but research proved my dollar went further with the 550 and I’m happy as a clam. Mustangs have never been canyon carvers, so the steering is what it is. Nice comparison, thanks for doing it!
The rear end on the S550 is nicer. Just a little less exaggerated and slicker
Glad you were able to do such a thorough comparison between my car and the new S650! Hope you can get your hands on a Dark Horse later on 🤙
I have a 16 with Performance pack, and I absolutely love it. One notable thing is that the manual 15-17 have the shortest gear ratios among the modern Mustangs. The 18+ and Tremecs have longer gears. 1:1 is 5th on the 11-17 while it's 4th on the 18+. It may not be as good as a Tremec, but with the 3.73 diff on the Performance pack, and you got pretty short ratios that are fun in town.
The new Mustang looks like it was designed by A.I
Now I can't unsee it!
It was actually designed by a group of Gen Z. So not as smart as AI. More aggressive front like a Challenger, rear fenders like a Camaro, cheaper BMW-like interior and the rest is S550 Mustang. Actually, the front is more like a Honda Accord. This thing has an identity crisis.
AI in junior high school
@@ClickbaitMotorsportsok boomer
@@RRR1-z9c Awww....lil' baby Ford fanboi got his fweeewings hurt. 🍼🍼🍼🍼 Just stare at the Unreal Engine animations and you'll feel better. 😂
Great show brilliant I love the new model but i have the 2019 Mustang GT with all the extras on and I see no difference thank you from Sydney Australia 😊
Good comparison. Love the new S650. The screens are awesome. Can't go wrong with either one.
If ur going to compare S550 vs new one then it should bloody be a 2020 or 21 model 10r80 for a more closer comparison
Interesting comparison, Fenton! Savagegeese recommended the Comfort Steering setting in the S550, and I gotta say, it feels more natural than Sport. I've kept mine in Comfort ever since. You should try it and compare. Would love to hear your thoughts!
I drove it around town in Comfort and it was still lifeless. Should have tried that setting in the canyons too though
It’s probably driving smoother because it has a stock tune
The S550 interior truly takes inspiration from aircraft cockpits. The S650 interior…. No freaking clue what that’s all about.
Camaro or Mustang?
In some situations I prefer the engine in the Mustang GT, and I definitely value its superior visibility, but as a performance/track car the SS 1LE is better in every other way.
Those stupid ipads on the dash kill the car for me
'Revving out to over 7k...' Can I ask how? If I'm not mistaken, this is a gen2 Coyote, so the redline is 6500rpm, is it not?
edit: Nvm.. he just mispoke.. The B-Roll of the interior shows the redline is 6500rpm
Very honest assessment. I have a Heavily modified 2020 10R80 GT. Love it but because it’s heavy the handling around canyons is still not crisp enough despite all the suspension upgrades I’ve done. This new S650 in my opinion should have been at least 100 pound lighter in the nose and awd with a traction control switch to get you rwd for any spin action.
Even if Ford could make this car AWD, it would cost like 70k.
@@amiller2121 it would attract people from other markets that recognise the improved traction and handling though. I think a 5L 10R80 AWD stang even in stock format would give a lot of high performance euros a real hard time.
@@CoyoteAUSawd doesn't necessarily mean more traction at the limit. Given the car is already heavy, awd will make it 4000+lb, not a worthy trade off. Ford can make a sedan version of the mustang tho, put v8 and awd in it.
Can you do one comparing w204 and W205 c63?
I will if I can get my hands on them!
This right here would be a great comparo!
My 2nd car was a 93’ FOX GT and ever since then I was hooked. Even way back then, the FIVE OH with Flomaster exhaust had such a distinct sound. 30 years later the Mustang is still class leading when it comes to engine noise and exhaust. Them FORD engineers have PHD’s in acoustics and understand how the sound of a performance car translates directly to the emotion we get when on throttle. It’s a large % of the experience which is why the Five OH will always have a fighting chance. And that Coyote engine is a technical marvel with its Quad Cam design. Compared to its contemporaries in the Camaro and Dodge brothers, it’s league more sophisticated than the push rods. The Coyote trades revs for torque and to be honest, on the track it has served the Mustang well when run directly against the SS 1LE. I’ve had a 16’ SS 1LE and a C6Z with that LS7. I mention this to show I am a fan of American performance cars for their V8s. I’ve also had a few Mustangs. Stoplight to stoplight give me the Camaro and it’s torque. But on a track with curves and straights, and the Camaro will see those tri bar LEDs more often than not with all things being equal. Stock for stock. Same driver. The Camaro may have more feel but we cannot let that detract from the fact the Mustang, post 2018 with the Gen 3 Coyote, took the top stop on the podium as the fastest American Pony car on track. And I’m not even talking the GT350 or R variants. I’m talking like for like. 5.0 vs SS 1LE. Throttle House tested the MACH 1, SS 1LE and the Dark Horse. The DH smashed the other two. It hung a time up near the monstrous M5 COmp. The MACH 1 beat the SS by a considerable margin as well. These times were posted by Thomas, the creator of the channel and a race car instructor. Who has tested hundreds of cars on a track he knows very well. Thomas is a self admitted Bow tie boot kicker and you could see him struggle when having to report the results. Randy Pobst, HALL OF FAME race car driver ran a MACH against the SS 1LE and the MACH again posted the faster time. Car and Driver does it’s annual Lightning Lap and the fastest car they’ve EVER tested under $75k was the MACH 1. 3.5 seconds faster than the SS 1LE. It crushed it. Thr GT350R finished .4 behind the Mach 1 and the 2018 GT PP2 beat the SS by 2 full seconds. So…. The Camaro may have more feel but on a track. The Mustang is the faster and better performing car
I think your summary of the track performance of the PP2 and Mach1 vs the SS 1LE is inaccurate. In Randy Pobst test of the Mach 1 and SS 1LE, he was using a brand new Mach 1, but the SS 1LE was 5 years old and (per Randy on the video) something was wrong with the brakes (bad brake fluid or pads, but either way there was fade - OEM 1LE brakes don't fade - I have 3 seasons of track experience to confirm that). At any rate, the cars two cars put up very similar times, with Ford relying to wider, stickier tires (305F 315R, Cup 2s) than the 1LE to make that possible. As to the same indirect comparison at Lightning lap, you are trying to compare times that were set 5 years apart from one another (different drivers, different ambient conditions, likely even different surface grip. You simply can't compare them. For the PP2 comparison, I'm not aware of a test where the PP2 was even able to tie the SS 1LE for a lap time. And even if it was able, it lacks the coolers to enable you to do more than a few laps before the components get too hot and go into limp mode. Thus not sure why you bothered to put the PP2 into this comparo argument.
I will concede the S550 Mustang is a bit faster on the 1/2 mile VIR back straight, owing to the 30 extra horsepower (and probably more aerodynamic front nose).
Holy shit that's some comments in this thread!! I'd hire you both in a second!!
Am I the only person that hates screens in cars, can't even turn them off anymore...Considering you like s2000s so much and they have terrible steering this must be bad.
Thank you for your honest comparison. I've been saying all along the differences aren't that great unless you want those screens which I don't care for. Now, if Ford would have put in an AWD system like the Nissan GTR we'd be in business. I'd be running to the dealer. Hinestly, ONLY reason I don't buy the GTR is because of that hideous front end. My othwr reason for not getting the S650 is those taillights are hideous as well.
Why do you say the next Gen Mistang won't have a v8? Ford's ceo recently stated that Mustang will continue with a v8.
When did Ford start building Supras and Zs? They are beautiful!!
I miss the days, when a new gen Mustang or Camaro came out how different they looked. Now they are almost identical. I also hate the dash on the new Mustangs. I'll be buying a GT convertible next, year, I'll stick with a 2023 or older, and save about 25 grand over the price of a new one.
Which canyon road is this? Do you have any suggestions for good canyon roads near San Diego / LA?
Love the new mustang, but would prefer it didn't have the giant screens as that's just something else to go wrong over time.
KISS (keep it simple stupid) to Ford
Excellent filming and review 👍🏽
Thank you for commenting on the steering feel. Most other reviewers just go "it's not that bad". And for the thorough comparison in general. Do you happen to know how 370Z (yes, the old one) compares to these steering-wise?
I own a 370Z and have driven several S550s, which I like very much. The steering on the Z is however in a different league - a quicker rack and pin sharp, all the more so with decent tyres (say, Michelins over the OEMs)
My friend had a 2017 mustang gt pp1 and that clutch is super heavy compare to the Camaro SS 6 gen
Look at the plastics in a as Camaro or a challenger
Why they use a slow gen 2 for this comparison instead of a gen 3 lol.
How do you figure gen 2s are slow 😂
So it's a comparison between a Gen 2 Coyote vs. a Gen 4 Coyote. And not only that, Ford made several other improvements on the 2018+. The Gen 3 S550 is much better than the S650 by all accounts (except the rear brakes). Your conclusions are accurate.
What is the rationale behind driving downhill rather than uphill on this road?
It's faster and more fun 😎
@@tanmanrico uphill is also faster. The cliff on the right may be scary but you will be using a lot more throttle
@@aniladitya Downhill feels faster because you're going with gravity, not against it.
better gas mileage
@@vnitto 😂
The S650 rear looks way better. The S650 is the modern New Edge and the S550 is the modern SN95.
I'll keep my S550. And those screens are horrible.
No way I would pay 15-$20,000. to upgrade my 2017 5.0 just not worth it.
He said 30 to 35 2023 California Special S550 53000 MSRP now throw interest gas guzzler tax all the mark ups warranties and now where you at a far cry from 35
It’s moving in the wrong direction.
Where are you going to get a manual 6 speed V-8 with incredible brakes besides the Mustang. I have 3000 miles in the S650. It is significantly better made car over the S550. In every area period!!! The Ford engineers improved over >113 areas on the car. Quit bitching!!!!
Oh we weighed the same configuration of a 2023 GT to the same configuration in the S650 and the weight was within 10 pounds of each other. It is not difficult to reduce the weight either on the Mustang to get it closer to 3500 pounds. So much negativity and so many bullshit comments made about the S650. Go to a cars and coffee meet and the new car outshines the older cars tremendously!!! On the track with the Dark Horse is also significantly better than the Mach I !!! The Mach I is great, but the Dark Horse is better. The S650 GT is better than the S550 in every way. If you don’t have hours in the new car then you just don’t know. Go test drive the car. Everyone is impressed and they are selling accordingly also!!!
Cheers 😎👍👊💪🇺🇸
This can't be a mustang video. I didn't see either car oversteer into a telephone pole or crowd of people. I want my money back!
S550 exterior all the way! S650 looks horrible! SMH
S650 is definitely not worth the price Ford is asking. Way too much money
It's more of the issue that our money is not worth what it used to be. I buy a new truck every 4 years, and my last truck was 52k vs 36k in 2019 and 30k in 2014.
Mustangs are way too big nowadays. Not my cup of tea.
man nothing i hate more than the interior …. Tow big tablets sticked to a flat surface calling it dashboard 🤮
You missee the most important test; driving into pedestrians
I was waiting for this comment or something similar. Thank you!
Screens are awful
You wont understand anything about a mustang, thats too much car for you to handle.
It's not the weight. It's Fords soft tuning. So please stop saying it's the weight. Try a PP2 or Mach 1 Handling package.
All you JDM guys think it's the weight. It's not. It's the springs. Super soft.
You got a point, but don't you think it's really both? He's tested the Mach 1 back to back with a 1LE. Stiffer suspension (springs, shocks, sways) help hide weight, but a nearly 4000lb Dark Horse will never feel like a 3000lb Foxbody w/ a Maximum Motorsports package. Weight & wheelbase can't be completely engineered away, even with rear-steer on higher-end cars. He tests a lot of light cars, on tight roads, so weight will always show some symptoms, & the stiffest setting is rarely the best on those roads. On a longer smoother track, sure.
Spring rates will only take you so far. At some point the laws of physics do take over - so yeah, weight matters. The old saying goes, "add power to a car and you'll make it faster in a straight line. Subtract weight and you make it faster everywhere." At the end of the day, weight matters a lot more than the marketing people want you to believe that it does.
S650 looks like a pos dodge charger.
I'd rather you use a Gen3 Coyote to compare to the Gen4. Not a Gen2. lol
What a complainer... your boyfriend probably hates you 😅
The new Mustang look like 💩 compared to the 2017!! The 2017 looks 🔥🔥