Thank you for the video Mark. How do you get this FOV Rendering and eye tracking update? I just got my Crystal yesterday and still learning about it. What is the usb port on the right side of the headset used for?
Hey Mark, great video! After two years of MSFS in VR with three headsets, many upgrades and updates, hundreds of hours tweaking and testing, I have finally also settled with my Varjo Aero / 4090 / 5800x3d combo on the following approach: - DLSS-Quality - 4800px Super-sampled render resolution in OXRTK - Turbo mode, foveated rendering - Varjo Motion Smoothing run at fixed 30fps No more tweaking since three months, it's really great: both super-clear and super-smooth. Cheers! 😊👍
Mark, I also noticed a small issue with the bottom left edge of the velcro for the face gasket immediately. Hadn't even plugged it in for the first time, but was fiddling to see how the gaskets are removed (coming from a G2, which uses magnets). As I grabbed the bottom edge of the foam and started peeling it back, I noticed the velcro that was glued to the headset and should have stayed put, did not - it started lifting off the plastic so I stopped pulling. If it becomes an issue, I'll add some adhesive to attach it more firmly. Thanks for pointing out that you had the same experience. As with Steve, I'm going to try DFR before DLSS on my 4090 as soon as the Pimax firmware allows it for us plebeians.
Having a 3090 runing a 8KX with steamvr AND having a blast, I wonder if my quality standart is that much suppar to everybody else here. Could you do also a testrun with more avordable hardware please? Really start to getting frustrated only seeing topend hardware tests with this headset. I was hoping to swap my allready 3 years old 8KX with this one (despite the much smaller fov). Super vid as allways, thanks.
I have a crystal, 4090 and 11900k, so similar system and I tried DLSS at 4000x and last night flew over The Dolamites with projectlifts mod and holly crap thankyou. I had CAS at 60% and Anisotropic filtering not even that high and the cables and towers were really smooth and clear.
Hi Mark. I have a 4090 with a 7800x3d, 6000mhz ddr5 ram and the crystal. I find DLSS far better than TAA. Although TAA is sharp, I find in the distance around light poles, trees etc that there is a slight antialiasing shimmer which disappears completely when using dlss quality. In fact, because dlss quality is cleaning up the antialiasing better I find the image outside the cockpit to be much cleaner than taa. As you pointed out the in cockpit image suffers a bit with dlss. I have however been able to upscale my resolution in openxr toolkit to 4200x (not 3800x) that you mentioned in your video. The graphics quality is out of this world. Better than a 2d 4k monitor. As for fps, I have only tried this in smaller aircraft like the 172 and the tbm 900, the Kodiak etc at EGLC. I am still getting between 45 and 55fps around there. I think the cpu might be making the difference why I can go up a bit more than you. However, I would never go back to TAA after experiencing this. I am loving my crystal immensely. I still need to resolve the extended battery charging approaches. I haven't worked that one out yet. Thanks for your video!
Thanks yet again for this real world interaction, review and info. I may start playing with DLSS a bit along these lines with my G2v2 and 3080 to see if I can get some similar results. Did you use it at all when you had your previous card (I think it was a 3090?) and did you notice any improvements? Thanks.
Awesome Videos, they have helped me a lot with my Primax. Quick question, that I've not been able to find a answer to anywhere. How did you get the the MSFS FPS counter in your headset display? And it there a way to record your flight in VR and review your FPS counter info later? Thanks
Hi Mark, I know this video is a year old and you've since upgraded your CPU, would be kind of neat if you made a video with your impressions of the performance gains with the new CPU. Unfortunately, too many people think it's all GPU for performance but especially for VR, the CPU can have a equal part in getting decent performance. I was blown away when I went from a Ryzen 5900x to a Ryzen 7800X3D, the difference in performance in VR was HUGE even though the same 4090 GPU was used.
@@jackr.749 I went with the 14900k, good performance, but not quite as good as the 7800 X3D. I chose the intel option for video editing & render benefits outside of MSFS
the issue with the velcro I had as mine came delivered with the velcro loose, I opened is a issue with Pimax and asked for replacement velcro and was told to use super glue. I told them that was not acceptable. they passed it on and gave me some free games which I don't play, I'm a flight sim person. so I'm not very happy about that
Can you have a review on Pimax Crystal using on Laptop ? I am afraid of have it on my laptop due to Pimax does not recommend it. By the way, do you feel stiff of using Honeycomb Alpha Yoke ?
@@SimHangerFS I tend to have a VR headset which support my flight training at home as a PPL student. Which one between Pimax and Aero you recommend for it ? Assume the budget is not an issue (I've already had a Quest Pro but not satisfied as I can see the pixels clearly) Is Crystal charging while playing same as Reverb G2 method ? Thank you.
great video mark i just got my crystal yesturday and going to try your dlss settings do you think with your settings will it be a little better with my 13900k and 4090
Just got mine today! All set up. Not an easy first setup. It’s very clear compared to the G2, but I’m having issues with screen tear flashes when I move my head. As though a cable is loose or broken. But every cable is connected very securely. I’m very upset to say the least! Also headset is quite cumbersome, heavy and unbalanced, especially with glasses, it pushes on my glasses touching lenses and hurting my face. Sweating profusely while wearing it! At this moment, I’m very upset with this headset and expensive purchase :( (4090)
@@SimHangerFS Thx! Can’t find Motion Smoothing setting in Pimax software but in OXR, but either way it seems better today. Issue today is the terrible wobbles in distant scenery when I move my head up or down. Can’t find settings to resolve this. Tried so many to no avail. It’s unusable at this point. What a frustration for the past day. I would NOT recommend this headset right now!
Very nice performance comparison video. You really need to upgrade your motherboard to support AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D with at least 32GB DDR5 RAM at 6000Mhz. Would love to see same video running a AMD GPU like the RX 7900 XTX that is also getting cheaper around 850€ Also because MSFS2024 will support the high cores CPU's that MSFS2020 is limited to 4 cores...
Problem is, Crystal is only supported by Nvidia GPU. I don't know about other Pimax headsets, or maybe it's the Pimax play software and drivers that only support Nvidia properly.
Hi Mark, I now have an i7 10700 processor, and a RTX 3070 GPU, 32 GB of RAM. Would there be a very very significant change to invest in a new computer with a 7800 X3D AMD, and a RTX 4070 TI? Is it worth the $2,800 investment? Thank you Mark
@@SimHangerFS what would be with image quality and FPS performance if you set resolution close to 2800x2800? In my HP G2 I use Steam VR resolution similar to display resolution and all perfect
Yeah l get that, it's the display resolution in the openxr which l don't quite get, ie setting it to 3500x4145 per eye, is that something different compared to the headsets 5760x2880? Sorry if l'm being a little thick😂
@@colinwright7242 lol, as I understand it and I might be wrong but the ir resolution can be set at different levels , lowering it will increase frame rate, but trade of some resolution, its going to depend on your system as to what the right balance will be, im still waiting to get my Crystal so have yet to go though all this :)
AVOID PIMAX!!!! Irrespective of how good the Crystal headset is the Pimax customer service is shockingly bad. My 8KX developed audio issues after 6 weeks and I returned it in April (23). Its now the end of July (23) and I've been told they can't replace (as they have none) and all they can offer is a discount on a 12K. To be released when?! I've asked for either a refund or to pay the difference for a Crystal. 2 weeks ago they said they would get back in 3 days. After 2 chasding emails still nothing. I guess I'll have to take them to court to uphold their guarantee. AVOID PIMAX - don't say you haven't been warned!
If you have a crystal why would you use dlss? You are killing the image quality. Might as well use a G2 then. Use Dynamic Foveated Rendering at full res and turn down the outer rings in resolution. Turn off DLSS, in fact use no aliasing or fast approximate instead if you have artificing in clouds etc.... I can't believe how many people have crystals and then turn down the resolution with under-sampling or dlss.
One more thing... You really need to get your hands on the Foverated Rendering eye tracking update. This give you a nice 10% boost in performance 👍
Thank you for the video Mark. How do you get this FOV Rendering and eye tracking update? I just got my Crystal yesterday and still learning about it. What is the usb port on the right side of the headset used for?
Hey Mark, great video! After two years of MSFS in VR with three headsets, many upgrades and updates, hundreds of hours tweaking and testing, I have finally also settled with my Varjo Aero / 4090 / 5800x3d combo on the following approach:
- DLSS-Quality
- 4800px Super-sampled render resolution in OXRTK
- Turbo mode, foveated rendering
- Varjo Motion Smoothing run at fixed 30fps
No more tweaking since three months, it's really great: both super-clear and super-smooth. Cheers! 😊👍
Super test Mark, very interesting results!
excellent again mark ..
lot of work went into this, interesting stuff yes ..thanks
Looking forward to your review of the up and coming Meta Quest 3rd Generation headset in November!❤😅
Mark, I also noticed a small issue with the bottom left edge of the velcro for the face gasket immediately. Hadn't even plugged it in for the first time, but was fiddling to see how the gaskets are removed (coming from a G2, which uses magnets). As I grabbed the bottom edge of the foam and started peeling it back, I noticed the velcro that was glued to the headset and should have stayed put, did not - it started lifting off the plastic so I stopped pulling. If it becomes an issue, I'll add some adhesive to attach it more firmly. Thanks for pointing out that you had the same experience.
As with Steve, I'm going to try DFR before DLSS on my 4090 as soon as the Pimax firmware allows it for us plebeians.
Boy does that look good!
Having a 3090 runing a 8KX with steamvr AND having a blast, I wonder if my quality standart is that much suppar to everybody else here. Could you do also a testrun with more avordable hardware please? Really start to getting frustrated only seeing topend hardware tests with this headset. I was hoping to swap my allready 3 years old 8KX with this one (despite the much smaller fov). Super vid as allways, thanks.
Spot On video Absolutely Spot on Thank You
Thanks Mark ~ good intel. Delays still in my deliver even though I paid in full weeks ago.
I have a crystal, 4090 and 11900k, so similar system and I tried DLSS at 4000x and last night flew over The Dolamites with projectlifts mod and holly crap thankyou. I had CAS at 60% and Anisotropic filtering not even that high and the cables and towers were really smooth and clear.
Hi Mark. I have a 4090 with a 7800x3d, 6000mhz ddr5 ram and the crystal. I find DLSS far better than TAA. Although TAA is sharp, I find in the distance around light poles, trees etc that there is a slight antialiasing shimmer which disappears completely when using dlss quality. In fact, because dlss quality is cleaning up the antialiasing better I find the image outside the cockpit to be much cleaner than taa. As you pointed out the in cockpit image suffers a bit with dlss. I have however been able to upscale my resolution in openxr toolkit to 4200x (not 3800x) that you mentioned in your video. The graphics quality is out of this world. Better than a 2d 4k monitor. As for fps, I have only tried this in smaller aircraft like the 172 and the tbm 900, the Kodiak etc at EGLC. I am still getting between 45 and 55fps around there. I think the cpu might be making the difference why I can go up a bit more than you. However, I would never go back to TAA after experiencing this. I am loving my crystal immensely. I still need to resolve the extended battery charging approaches. I haven't worked that one out yet. Thanks for your video!
That’s helpful. I have the same spec but only a Pico 4. Hopefully it will work for me ( to a lesser degree obviously )
Thanks yet again for this real world interaction, review and info.
I may start playing with DLSS a bit along these lines with my G2v2 and 3080 to see if I can get some similar results. Did you use it at all when you had your previous card (I think it was a 3090?) and did you notice any improvements? Thanks.
Awesome Videos, they have helped me a lot with my Primax. Quick question, that I've not been able to find a answer to anywhere. How did you get the the MSFS FPS counter in your headset display? And it there a way to record your flight in VR and review your FPS counter info later? Thanks
You can’t get the counter in the headset unfortunately. Recorded from monitor and edited in.
Great test!
Would there be a way for you to make a a video comparing the FOV of the Crystal and the G2?
If I remember correctly, G2 is circa 89 degree and Crystal is circa 103 deg.
so mark which one do you prefer and using at the moment
Great video!
Thanks!
Mark, you made an obvious error! Extra FPS is an upgrade you have to pay for with any Ryanair flight.😀
🤣
Hi Mark, I know this video is a year old and you've since upgraded your CPU, would be kind of neat if you made a video with your impressions of the performance gains with the new CPU. Unfortunately, too many people think it's all GPU for performance but especially for VR, the CPU can have a equal part in getting decent performance. I was blown away when I went from a Ryzen 5900x to a Ryzen 7800X3D, the difference in performance in VR was HUGE even though the same 4090 GPU was used.
@@jackr.749 I went with the 14900k, good performance, but not quite as good as the 7800 X3D. I chose the intel option for video editing & render benefits outside of MSFS
the issue with the velcro I had as mine came delivered with the velcro loose, I opened is a issue with Pimax and asked for replacement velcro and was told to use super glue. I told them that was not acceptable. they passed it on and gave me some free games which I don't play, I'm a flight sim person. so I'm not very happy about that
Seems to be a more common problem than I expected. Thanks for the feedback.
Thank you for this video, really interesting.
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I dont have vr,but have you played with TAA with default max screen resolution and play around with resolution rendering?
Can you have a review on Pimax Crystal using on Laptop ? I am afraid of have it on my laptop due to Pimax does not recommend it. By the way, do you feel stiff of using Honeycomb Alpha Yoke ?
Not recommended on a laptop, but who knows some of the newer ones with a 4080….?
@@SimHangerFS I tend to have a VR headset which support my flight training at home as a PPL student. Which one between Pimax and Aero you recommend for it ? Assume the budget is not an issue (I've already had a Quest Pro but not satisfied as I can see the pixels clearly)
Is Crystal charging while playing same as Reverb G2 method ? Thank you.
great video mark i just got my crystal yesturday and going to try your dlss settings do you think with your settings will it be a little better with my 13900k and 4090
Yes I do. 3650 is working good for me.
@@SimHangerFS 3650 is the override resolution?
Hi Mark, do you think I will be able to run fs2020 in VR using Pimax Crystal using my oldish system i7 10700F with a RTX 3070 ?
is it possible to lock the frames with motion reprojection to 45 oder 30 fps? thanks for the video :)
MR or as Pimax call it Motion Smoothing is not yet implemented on this headset. Still to be enabled.
Can you also test XP12?
Just got mine today! All set up. Not an easy first setup. It’s very clear compared to the G2, but I’m having issues with screen tear flashes when I move my head. As though a cable is loose or broken. But every cable is connected very securely. I’m very upset to say the least! Also headset is quite cumbersome, heavy and unbalanced, especially with glasses, it pushes on my glasses touching lenses and hurting my face. Sweating profusely while wearing it! At this moment, I’m very upset with this headset and expensive purchase :(
(4090)
For flashing, check the motion reprojection setting (motion smoothing) in the Pimax software, recommended this is set to off.
@@SimHangerFS Thx! Can’t find Motion Smoothing setting in Pimax software but in OXR, but either way it seems better today. Issue today is the terrible wobbles in distant scenery when I move my head up or down. Can’t find settings to resolve this. Tried so many to no avail. It’s unusable at this point. What a frustration for the past day. I would NOT recommend this headset right now!
Very nice performance comparison video.
You really need to upgrade your motherboard to support AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D with at least 32GB DDR5 RAM at 6000Mhz.
Would love to see same video running a AMD GPU like the RX 7900 XTX that is also getting cheaper around 850€
Also because MSFS2024 will support the high cores CPU's that MSFS2020 is limited to 4 cores...
Tests soon 😊
Problem is, Crystal is only supported by Nvidia GPU. I don't know about other Pimax headsets, or maybe it's the Pimax play software and drivers that only support Nvidia properly.
Hi Mark, I now have an i7 10700 processor, and a RTX 3070 GPU, 32 GB of RAM. Would there be a very very significant change to invest in a new computer with a 7800 X3D AMD, and a RTX 4070 TI? Is it worth the $2,800 investment? Thank you Mark
That would be a big improvement. If you’re going that far, though, a 4090 would not be overkill.
@ben433 thank you for the info, but the 4990 another thousand dollars above the 4070 TI
I had to reglue my velcro back on
My velcro is lifting too. What glue would you recommend to secure it better? Thanks!
@@sep2345 I'd say be sure to stay clear of the lenses and use some fast drying gorilla glue
Does it have any fogging issues? I tend to fog up VR a lot sometimes.
Not that I have experienced
Mark, I wonder what could be your results with the best of the best - 7800X3D...
I hope to find out soon! 😊
how about 9 7950x3d? i am about to purchase new parts and want to have best of the best
hi, why you need to set resolution much higher than display resolution (2800x2800 per eye)?
Super sampling, comparison tests coming up soon. 😊 For some reason Pimax have set the default resolution crazy high?
@@SimHangerFS what would be with image quality and FPS performance if you set resolution close to 2800x2800? In my HP G2 I use Steam VR resolution similar to display resolution and all perfect
@@vyacheslav_potapenko performance tests coming up soon 😀
Slightly confused with this, thought the max resolution for the crystal was 5760x2880 or 2880x2880 per eye, 🤔
5760 is the horizontal across both lenses,(2x2880), 2880x2880 is each single lense :)
Yeah l get that, it's the display resolution in the openxr which l don't quite get, ie setting it to 3500x4145 per eye, is that something different compared to the headsets 5760x2880? Sorry if l'm being a little thick😂
@@colinwright7242 lol, as I understand it and I might be wrong but the ir resolution can be set at different levels , lowering it will increase frame rate, but trade of some resolution, its going to depend on your system as to what the right balance will be, im still waiting to get my Crystal so have yet to go though all this :)
@@nickcutting4556me too😂 Mine shouldn't be long now my confirmation address email was about 2 weeks ago.. well excited 😊
For some unknown reason the default set resolution in the Pimax is crazy high! No idea why. Even at 3500 this is turned down circa 20%.
4:41 would be nice to quickly explain difference for noobs
AVOID PIMAX!!!!
Irrespective of how good the Crystal headset is the Pimax customer service is shockingly bad. My 8KX developed audio issues after 6 weeks and I returned it in April (23). Its now the end of July (23) and I've been told they can't replace (as they have none) and all they can offer is a discount on a 12K. To be released when?! I've asked for either a refund or to pay the difference for a Crystal. 2 weeks ago they said they would get back in 3 days. After 2 chasding emails still nothing. I guess I'll have to take them to court to uphold their guarantee. AVOID PIMAX - don't say you haven't been warned!
If you have a crystal why would you use dlss? You are killing the image quality. Might as well use a G2 then. Use Dynamic Foveated Rendering at full res and turn down the outer rings in resolution. Turn off DLSS, in fact use no aliasing or fast approximate instead if you have artificing in clouds etc.... I can't believe how many people have crystals and then turn down the resolution with under-sampling or dlss.
I actually turned the resolution up.
I feel like I'm watching the David Attenborough of VR , Thanks @SimhangerFlightsimulation for the info :D