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Interaction?! Fun?! Enough of that nonsense, it’s time to destroy your enemies! This episode Jimmy and DJ discuss the most cutthroat cards in the commander format. We’ll talk about the efficient, no-nonsense effects that may not make you any friends, but will surely help you claim a few more wins!
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Zulaport Cutthroat. That’s it.
poor Sygg
Next podcast episode will be no. 420, it would be pretty great if it was related to green cards. (For no reason in particular of course)
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Make it a Chatterfang deck tech, because a bunch of squirrels looking to commit murder-suicide is about the level of stoned we're talking about the audience being.
@@chrisporter4993 what does this mean? Is there a lore thing about the squirrels being recklessly homicidal and the threshold they have for that is the same level of high? I'm hoping I'm just slightly autistic and you're not saying being stoned has anything to do with being violent.
@@ducktheseraph Chatterfang is a green commander who's all about creating and sacrificing squirrels for profit, and to nuke enemy creatures. The implication was that it's a green commander with a goofy premise that kind of meshes with stoner humor. Alternatively you could do a deck tech about a commander that puts everyone at the table to sleep, I guess, but violence was never the theory behind the suggestion. Just pure stoner funnies.
"cutthroat" no longer sounds like a real word after this episode lmao
i know right in the words of posty " stop.......stooop............STOOOOP!!!"
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now rewatch it and count how many times they say it
Ah good ol’ Zulaport [[REDACTED]]
Dude, I just realized that targeting your own Phage with Fractured Identity is an instant win...
you need a 3 color deck though
@@strickermic I run a Zur deck. Oloro and Sharuum would also work. Or Sen Triplets. All good commanders on their own.
Endless whispers
Have you considered.... "Leveler"?
I've used this combo a time or two. I have three sons who need an ass whoopin every once in a while
I just played a pick up game of commander at PAX. One player was hard targeting another. Opp agent, lock outs etc. The locked down player was getting pinged to death, so I used a few pings to help destroy the things locking him down. I was trying to even out the field to make it more fun.
Then Delina prayed to the Lords of Chaos, dealt 60 damage to the board and they all targeted me instead. I was instantly killed by an infect flyer, but at least the other two stopped going after each other a throats.
You should let the game progress naturally... you're potentially playing king maker by...doing stuff that's not beneficial for your self
In defense of Head Games, you can go politics and use it to setup the next player's hand to save the table from the current archenemy
Yes, can be fun.
Player 1: "Can you stop player 2?"
Me: "If I draw the right card"
Player 1 casts Head Games: "Get it. Everything else is a land of your choice."
And then I wiped both of their boards XD
Lost the next turn to player 1.
I'm surprised that Poison counters / infect didn't get mentioned here, it is often an out-of-nowhere player removal.
Most "cutthroat" deck that I've played against (amazing experience) had Tevesh Szat + Kraum, Ludevic's Opus as the partner commanders. It used tutors and aggressive draws to find Divergent Transformations. Once that is in hand, Tevesh Szat is cast. He creates two Thrull creature tokens. Divergent Transformations is cast, targeting the Thrulls to grab the ONLY TWO creatures in the deck: Tergrid, God of Fright and Sire of Insanity. At the end of the turn EACH PLAYER discards their hand, and Tergrid's ability says it's controller may gain control of each permanent card discarded by its controller's opponents. It's not an instant concede, but it's VERY close.
Thats just a cedh deck but with a different wincon
Definitely a more friendly approach to divergent transformations. Normally would be thassas Oracle and leveler
That sounded a lot like a cEDH deck made by The99 up to the Divergent Transformations part.
@@jacobschiller4486 So...it just has the same commanders? How is that similar lol
@@DMBlade4 The deck doesn't have exactly the same commanders. My point is that the build is Rograkh + Tevesh, and Divergent Transformations targets Rograkh to bring out Razaketh, the Foulblooded.
My wifes just getting into mtg and this was a great episode. She's struggling with determining good from bad cards so this sets a standard! Thanks!
Remember to mention that it's more difficult to determine the difference between good and great cards.
Well like it says in the flavour text of Captain Vargus Wrath “ To be a successful cutthroat, you have to truly enjoy the work.”
Last week the episode was on how to have fun. This week the episode is on how to prevent people from having fun. Kudos on covering all the bases lol
Cyclonic rift is underwhelming now a days in CEDH in casual it’s very powerful
If it didn't have the "alternate mode" of 2 mana spot removal, then it probably would never have been played in cEDH, or at least not outside mono-blue. It's versatility is the main reason people make room for it in decks.
@@TheBoss4711 yub but it doesn't bounce dockside
@@phenax1144 I mean, that speaks more to the problem with R&D making a perfectly good two mana red sorcery and then saying "y'know what, let's staple it to a creature so it can be repeated with any blink, bounce, or recursion." Unless you meant your own Dockside, in which case you're a monster, why would you do that?
@@noesunyoutuber7680 I meant my own dockside so i can make more mana why would you bounce someone else dockside
In more casual settings I feel like bribery could go in this list. Going into someone’s deck and getting they’re biggest and baddest creature straight to the battlefield is pretty brutal lol.
I think it must also be mentioned that cutthroat doesn't necessarily mean "salt". At cEDH tables or more optimized levels of play, it's natural to be singled out because of a board state or via threat assessment (this player can win anytime). And while it is fair to say that Commander is a casual format, I feel it must be reiterated that it really depends on the people you play with.
I played a stax deck once and got singled out during the games we played. At no point was I salty, because I know playing Stax would draw aggro from the other players in a pod. I played a fast combo deck once and got singled out, because I was in a position to win if the other players don't take me out of the game. Was I ever salty? No, because my playgroup knows that even if we single out a player, it's the game and not the player.
I had a guy drop a Tabernacle on me once, while I was playing slivers. He was not happy when I popped him with an Armageddon three turns later. He said it broke the social contract, not seeing the irony.
I feel the social contract should be respected... unless someone uses it as an excuse to complain. I'd say use Balance to piss em off more lmao
Anyone playing tabernacle does not care about the social contract. Dude sounds like he wanted to pubstomp some unlucky players but got salty someone could interact with their plan
I'm all for subduing the sliver deck, but he was asking for trouble
Scumbag player. Slivers and mass land destruction.
I feels worse for the other lands owned by the rest of the players that had to pay for the Tabernacle's sins.
Honestly, when I choose to play powerful and oppressive cards, I expect to become a target, that's quite fair.
"I won't do the sound of a throat being cut because that sounds gross" HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT JIMMY, WHOSE THROAT DID YOU CUT
*Metal Gear Solid 3 Flashbacks*
Probably someone with a payday loan
There is nothing I love more than Opposition Agent-ing a Doomsday.
Or someone's Harrow when I have no lands in hand
@@ohellyea23 "Oh, you just have a bunch of utility lands up. I'll go for it, forgetting that Jimmy has Urborg out."
It's so tiring to listen to interaction and stax being considered "unfun and cutthroat" when stuff like Smothering Tithe, Esper Sentinel, Rhystic Study and Dockside Extortionist just run away with games in so many casual games.
Running stax disabling those treasure tokens like Stony Silence makes YOU the enemy.
I more blame the person playing those cards at a casual table
A lot of people just prefer "yes" cards to "nope" cards! I agree though, it would be good if larger channels like The Command Zone stopped using terms like "unfun" because it changes the perception people have to certain cards and strategies that are actually suitable and "fun" for some metas. It's just a question of balancing any interaction/control with the table (which, to be fair, I think Jimmy and DJ did a fair job of in this episode).
I can’t help but think they recently did the edit on the EDH rec cast “saltiest cards” episode and then just crossed out “salty”and wrote in “cutthroat”
“Idiot Bird Wizard” had me rolling @25:10
If your deck is Pirates, is that considered cutthroat? 😁And if you play pirates, is it OK to play cutthroat cards all the time?
"It's just my pirate deck, guys!"
"You've played nothing but steal effects all game! Your commander is Marchesa, she's not even a pirate!"
"Exactly. _I'm_ the pirate, your decks are the treasure, and I'm comin' to take that from ya, matey! Yo-ho-ho and a bottle of rum, a pirate's life for me!"
"OK, then. Forest, Crop Rotation for Homeward Path, activate Homeward Path."
"Scurvy dog! You'll be seein' me again, landlubbers!"
"Please stop."
Back around 96, I had a Jade Statue Deck with Tabernacle, The Abyss (both I got in an Italian Legends box I got for my B-day. Paid $238, bought it from one of those places in the back of a Scrye mag)Mishra's Factories, Wraith Of God, it was pretty good, lots of fun to play.
One of my biggest cutthroat cards would be Dismiss into Dream. I run it in my Koma deck, so it turns into "I sac this coil to tap your creature, and now your creature is dead, oops". It makes everyone at the table so scared to play a creature because I can instant speed kill anything.
Straight Up into my Koma's deck! Thanks :P
well, it's deck built around Koma, one of the most "unfun" card ever printed for my taste (cannot be countered, create stupidly absurd advantage on the board, can easily be made indestructible, can lock down other players from ever attacking/playing abilities), so I'm not surprised there are such ways to make that disgusting card even worse.
Nothing against those who plays him since it's legal in the format, just my personal taste. :-)
I’m glad the command zone is recognizing CEDH I would be excited to see a CEDH game on game knights or extra turn
I'd love to see them play CEDH someday on Game Knights! It would be interesting to see that style of play the way they display gameplay.
Maybe even on a crossover with Playing with Power or Playing to Win!? One can dream..... :D
I’ve been playing commander for about 2 years now and I don’t understand why people don’t agree with people who play cedh.. like in most commander pods I’ve seen they’re already optimizing their decks so much (even throwing in “staples”) that the next step to that logically is to play competitive.. my point is don’t knock it until you try it, it’s an exciting experience to say the least
I doubt they will, they got close to that in that last episode with Cassius Marsh but overall they admit they don't play cedh and don't have decks for that kind of play (at least Josh has only one I think that he says don't play often, I doubt Jimmy does or anyone else except maybe DJ or Craig).
@@TheUltimateRey I agree, my friends and I have only started playing in the last couple months and the power creep is real. Every week our decks get stronger with upgrades. Is only a matter of time before we have turn 4 wins come into play.
I smiled when DJ called Aven Mindcensor it's true name.
Darksteel mutation. I placed that card on my decks, and ended up replacing them. There are some decks that if you darksteel their commander, they won't get it back the whole game
Darksteel mutation may be a feel bad card, but if someone never has the ability to interact with enchantments then that's a problem. I run as many transform effect as I can, especially ones that don't make creatures because if someone has no interaction for enchantments, then they need to reevaluate
part of building needs to include having your deck work pretty good without your commander.
@@Oopsall You do realize that red/blue/black have almost no way to actually DO that right?
Blue has counters and bounce, red has some counter and chaos warp effects, and black has creature removal that includes indestructible ones. Admittedly black is the only one that has real problems with enchantments.
@@Oopsall Most red counters are highly specific and "some" is a considerable overstatement. Chaos warp is also on the decidedly uncommon side... and is chaos warp.
some of the cut throat decks i've played against haven't been a fast instant kill but a slow bleed while you gurgle on your own blood. anyone who has an air tight stasis deck role plays a nice person
My most "cutthroat" deck, Lord Windgrace, once had a turn one play of Swamp, Sol Ring, Mox Diamond, Cultivate :)
Hey, if Mana Crypt is cutthroat, so is Sol Ring. I just heard Jimmy and DJ say that cutthroat cards don't have to be expensive. :)
I once had a Turn 1 of Island, Sol Ring, Sensei’s Divining Top with a turn 1 activation that got me Mystic Remora as my next card, followed by Rhystic Study and Smothering Tithe.
Mine is Kalitas, traitor of ghet. It has Butcher of Malakir, Gravepact, and Dictate of Erebos. Plus a bunch of kill spells and making people sacrifice creatures. I've only played it like 5 or 6 times in the year and a half I've had it because after the first two games it was just so unfun to pilot. Even though it usually wins its a feelbad all around.
I once had a turn one; land-sol ring- arcane signet-birds of paradise. Played my commander, Rith the Awakener on turn 2.
I get what you guys are saying. When I feel “cutthroatness” I feel like a discussion needs to happen about the decks power level. I feel like most things can be solved with open and honest and clear discussions about your deck win con and interaction. Good video guys
Even then if you have that discussion you might have a silver bullet that might incidentally screw your opponents over. Obviously if you reveal every card in your deck, opponents can pick it apart with certain spells
Yea I disagree. Vorinclex is a cutthroat card but its casual imo. I would say cedh level things are usually cutthroat when they are in a casual game like forcing a spell is cutthroat. The card that just got banned was cutthroat. Alot of stacks that see cedh play are cutthroat. Winter orb etc. Most mana denial is cutthroat. Some board wipes are cuttthroat. Balance is cutthroat (but its banned).
A card that I haven't seen played in years but that I always thought was just super op was Kicked exile 15 cards from target opponents library (I cant remember the card name). Also kicked rites of replication was cutthroat.
@@ssnow5516 I think its a matter of personal preference. Vorinclex doesn't last very long in my playgroup/lgs due to the fact cheap removal exists. I went to Utah with a slightly modified Precon and was told it was too OP. All of those cards don't win the game and you can eventually get out of the locks they place
Felt called out when you guys talked about contamination 😂
It's about time we get a video where we finally separate cutthroat and CEDH
Imagine Gaddok Teeg and Void Winnower on the board at the same time. Any spell that's not a creature can only be cast if you have 1 or 3 mana value
Hahah I had a clone deck and we had 3 copies of sanctum prelate on the board. FUN
Sword to Plowshares
Good thing I'm playing Meren: Tortured Existence, Plaguecrafter, activate Tortured Existence pitching all of my unplayable even-cost cards to get back Plaguecrafter until you no longer have Teeg or Winnower. Creatures as spells, it's fucked up.
I feel bad sometimes when I cast "din of the fireherd" and just destroy one person. "River's Rebuke" is another one.
Any logical argument you can make about Iona needing to be banned is refuted by the existence (and legality) of contamination and stasis.
am i evil for running contamination in a muldrotha deck?
Sounds like they need to keep banning then. Iona is my go to explanation of why things are banned.
Stasis can be annoying, but after a couple of turns normally will go away on its own.
Way less problematic in my opinion that the overly busted green and simic cards that WotC has been spitting out over the last few years and can provide so much value that it makes almost impossible for other colors to keep up.
I've been removing Aura Shards from my go wide decks because I feel bad for playing them because it is too efficient are destroying enchantments and artifacts. You end up blowing up stuff you'd normally leave alone just for lack of other targets.
we've come a long way from dj trying to convince us force of will is a bad card because of the card disadvantage 😂
still see alot of people use it ineffectively... need to be saving that to stop someone from winning or protecting your own win, not stopping their turn 1-2 value plays
@@lordgriselbrand4600 Yeah if people do that they need help
Disruption/hate bears aren't cutthroat, stax is tho
We need a word where people see that Winter Orb is very different to Collector Ouphe
@@blaze556922 "We need a world where people see that Winter Orb is very different to Collector Ouphe"
I'm not going to disagree that some hate bears are cutthroat; Drannith Magistrate locking every player out of casting their commander isn't going to win any awards for being casual. That said, losing access to your lands is a much bigger hit for most decks than losing access to artifacts. Collector Ouphe is definitely not "just like stax".
Ideas on how to terrorize your play group, a pod cast.
Pendrell mists is also, I think, a better budget version of tabby.
@13:20: "Lands can't be cutthroat".
Gemstone Caverns: Am I a joke to you?
Thank you for naming every card in my collection lol. All my decks are cutthroat.
Pyroblast & Red Elemental Blast (esp in mono-R decks) feel less cutthroat, more underdog punching up to me. Love those two.
« Not attacking someone with your manabase »
Obuun : « Hold my bier ! »
Not going to lie I love that you guys are doing what I consider more like a podcast but sad to see we have set reviews for the next month or 2
I played hall of Gemstone in my mono greeen Seton deck because I hated to get my stuff countered or killed, but it also enabled other players to not get interrupted as much.
uh uh! Mind twist in a Tergrid deck :D you discard your hand, I get everything :D
I totally forgot about headgames, it was brought up a long time ago by Mitch I think. just imagine, casting headgames, then you narset reversal your headgames back to your hand and make a copy of it, target 1 player and destroy his hand completely, then you get to do it again next turn, or if you have 12 mana, do it again to another person.
The most terrifyingly cutthroat combo i can think of is the combination of Time Vault and Tidal Force.
My cutthroat move was late mid-game. A player in my group tried to Worldgorger/Necromancy loop and instead of countering it to stop it (which I had in hand), I Sudden Substitution'd him after the initial Gorger trigger, causing nothing to return and everything of his to be completely exiled. He scooped.
I find it interesting that they didn't mention Plow Under can target lands controlled by 2 different players. It doesn't have to be an all-in spell against one opponent, especially if one person isn't way further ahead than everyone else
Video idea: Are enchantments actually harder to get rid of than other permanent types?
Not sure if that question alone fills an entire Video. As the answer is yes.
Maybe sth all permanent types and how easily the colors can deal with it.
Yes
If you're playing Green? No.
If you're playing any other color? Absolutely.
Your comment on Fractured Identity hit me right in the stomach, because I once had to Swords my own Aurelia the Warleader to keep her from being Fractured. Getting two for oned was bad enough, but still less bad than having three of her bearing down on me
I was winning a game with an Ur-Dragon tribal deck with Karthus on the field. This was a one on one game. My opponent played Fractured Identity. He took Karthus and my dragons (including Utvara Hellkite). I proceeded to lose afterwards. Good play on his part.
I've done something similar in cube, using snuff out on my own goblin rabblemaster, but it felt good cuz it was my opponent's last card.
The end of this video is my group in a nutshell. It’s turned into an arms race where even everyone’s “low power” decks have gotten brutal. There’s about 7 of us and me and one other person keep asking to build some toned down decks, but nobody else has any desire to.
This is the way...
- you don't have to worry about paying thousants upon thousands dollars for a Tabernacle when you can...
- print it at home???
-... get a Magus of the Tabernacle.
- ooooohhhh... Yeah... Sure
*nervous sweating*
Ok... so basically all the cards/strategies/elements of CEDH in a nutshell. Video done. Check. 🤣
Not necessarily. CEDH is more of a mindset. Yes there are cards (Thassa's oracle) aimed towards that, but gaddock teeg and linvala are far from CEDH.
@@austenplant3144 As an avid CEDH player, I can tell you that stax is a very very common and viable strategy. Linvala see's a TON of CEDH play in stax strategies with hate bears and can utilize her evasion to draw cards (Tymna) or break parody (Derevi). In fact, Linvala has been featured in recent videos on quite a few CEDH channels including Play to Win and Playing with Power-- Both of which are dedicated CEDH channels.
Imagine playing a game of edh when all 4 players play "fair magic": a game would probably last *days*
@@ianross9475 true, but I think you're missing the point of what I said. CEDH is a mindset. If you want to make a 9 drop work, you'll find a way in CEDH
The Game Knights should play a commander game with as many of these "cutthroat" cards as possible.
It's funny, I literally cast Hall of Gemstones for the first time yesterday. Sleeping in my collection, I constructed a mono-green control commander deck (Kogla) just to give it a home. (My opponents all conceded when I cast it, so I guess it is cutthroat!)
this reminds me how someone got killed by turn 4 with Malygnus and Xenagos
all those wanting tabernacle effects should also see Pendrell Mists
I don't think it's correct to associate being competitive with having 'no mercy' because you can create an image that being competitive is being mean to other people, and that's NOT the cause. Being competitive is all about playing your best, against other people doing the same. Mean magic players aren't competitive(and they probably don't like playing on a competitive, even, table either), they are just mean, no matter the deck. While i agree there are "cutthroat" cards in a casual environment, having a competitive mindset is not the problem, being and asshole to other people is.
Yo in regards to stax, it's basically just a response to ramp. If you're in a meta where people are heavily land ramping with green or dumping mana rocks out and going fast fast fast, stax strategies are a viable counter to that. Nevermind "cutthroat" or not. Not all commamders/color combinations are created equal. Stax is just another strategy - slow the faster decks down till you get to your thing before they get to theirs. Enjoy
Yup. Mono White and Azorius could never keep up with Green based decks without a bit of stax.
Me: Cyclonic Rift is Cutthroat
Also me: Expropriate isn't that Cutthroat
Ok
This episode helped me get a better idea of my Kynaios and Tiro deck. Basically, I was thinking about the best way to use their ability and came to the conclusion that I can use ramp and extra draws to play cards like Elesh Norn sooner while minimizing the advantage I give to my opponents. And honestly, it doesn't feel that oppressive, because everyone loves to play the minigame of choosing between ramp and card draw every turn cycle. It's been a while since I played it, but I might take it out next time.
One card that I find ironically cutthroat is Serra the Benevolent. With a few proliferate triggers she can ult same turn and get you a just ridiculous emblem. But if not, it's a one turn clock that takes all attention off the rest of your board. Or, worst case scenario, you just really need a creature and it's a slightly cheaper Serra Angel. There are still a lot of wincons that kill you after ult, but if it goes down you basically stop being attacked for the rest of the game unless someone has infect. It seems cutthroat when I play it, but I play it in mono white where you need a few big kids to sit on your side of the teeter-totter.
"Most cutthroat cards" aka "How to be a jerk in Commander"
You havent felt true sadness until your Ugin gets hit with Fractured Identity.
I like the "salt" portion of the vid I bought the Jeleva precon when it came out and have tricked it out over the years but I rarely play it in my group because one of two things happens, either I get shit on and killed first or no one else has fun and salt ensues lol.
I also think building multiple decks at different power lvls helps the play groups stay together and have fun.
"Counterspell is I guess considered a cutthroat card."
Baral agrees.
Baral, who is the author of some of the greatest flavor text
DJ has grown as a podcaster......I like him!
Cutthroat cards are savage cards that put people at a huge disadvantage for you to gain the advantage. Vorinclex, Armageddon, smokestack, acid rain. I definitely don’t agree that any value cards like mana rocks are cutthroat
Does DJ not realize Plow doesn't have to target two lands under the same controller? It's less powerful, but you can target a land each of a different controller.
Also, did Mana Drain not get mentioned at all, or did I just miss it?
Imma make a deck exclusively of all these cards. My goal is not to win, but to really piss everyone off
Are you ready to play solitaire with your deck because that is where the one player who did that ended up.
@@Trainwithseb nah it will be fun
Nah, just play Tergrid! It will make everyone hate you even faster!!!
@@felipeguidolin1055 tergrid over spelltable is true misery
I love playing Living Plane followed by Tabernacle or Humility.
You guys over looked Thwart. Heavily underrated.
I find that Rule of Law stax is the most fun way to play stax. Where the turbo combo players are shut out of their combos, and the casual decks can still do there thing.
I play in a lot of pods where there is a 5 at the table and a 9. Stax has just been the answer to leveling out the power level such that everyone can have fun.
If you played a lot of games where there's a 9 and a 5 at the table... somethings wrong with the ppl you play with...
@@anactualopinion868 I have to play a lot of games like that because of my LGS tournaments. We've had talks with the store owner about having seperate tournaments for the casual decks and competitive decks, but he refuses to budge
@@corydiehl764 oh that makes sense
I think that's the problem with a lot of Stax cards from history: most of them hurt players in weak positions more than players in strong positions because of their emphasis on being symmetrical. White lockdown cards could (and should) have kept getting printed if R&D explored cards that "force fairness" more, rather than deciding that prevention was inherently unfun and avoiding it whenever possible - it would give White something to do other than tokens (decent), enchantments (niche), lifegain (90% awful), or being the worse version of Black as a support color. When prison cards weaken busted strategies and force people to play fair, that's significantly better than "Sorry you're the one with two lands left when I make everyone sacrifice three."
My shop actually has banned Cyclonic Rift from being overloaded as no one ever casts it for anything else. The fact that it's instant is why we're at that point.
33:47 i think DJ was talking about the other Thalia here
44:17 Prototype Portal - imprinting Mind Slaver, with Unwinding Clock on board = take everyone's turns....
I would honestly say that Cyclonic Rift is a pretty cutthroat card. For one thing, the card is usually played into a situation where it can just win people the game, if not completely destroy others boards and keep yours in a place that becomes impossible to overcome. Secondly it’s price, over $20 for a single piece of cardboard, stops casual budget decks from every playing it.
So either running interaction or forcing other players to run interaction is cutthroat.....sure.
DJ: "I might be a horrible person" ya I never want to play against DJ. I think I would leave that game feeling very salty. How do you look at plow under and think "ya that seems fun"
I would love to play DJ and players like him, but not all the time. It's a kinda "check your attitude at the door" end of night cutthroat game. Only if you've been on a tear that day and are cool to take an L, if you really want a win it hurts more to be smacked down. It's all expectations
Alright Command Zone. You got me. You’ve worn me down. You have won this battle of attrition. I will watch a full episode that has DJ as a co-host instead of them being Jimmy and Josh. I surrender. You win.
Aren't you a special little guy :)
I've got a couple of "cutthroat" decks in my collection for higher-powered tables. One is a tuned Kruphix that aims to ramp as quickly as possible, while denying opponents their resources / ability to play. Got several cards you mention here, like Vorinclex, Jin-Gitaxias, Void Winnower, Mana Drain, and Wandering Archaic, as well as others like Treachery, Thieving Skydiver, Fatespinner, Teferi Mage of Zhalfir, and God-Pharaoh's Statue. If it's able to save all its mana for a whole turn cycle, it can often be difficult to overcome.
The other is Tergrid... 'nuff said!
There is no mercy in this dojo.
Cut throat us when people put out a legendary that hits you for one damage and they gain life with an enchantment that cycles because it does the exact opposite.
DJ has a really cool voice.
I see that 100 Thieves on Jimmy's Tee. Nice
"yeah this is just a value expropriate, i'm not trying to win or anything."
I’d love to see a “Kitchen Table Commander” game from The Command Zone. Meaning any card can be played, even anything that is banned. Just 4 of the most powerful decks you can possibly make for the highest possible entertainment value. Who can make the best deck if literally any card can be used??? Please give this to the fans!!!
A Time vault key deck or flash hulk deck would probably be on top more often than not. That's why time vault and flash are banned 👍
stoners have been waiting for this moment. one episode to go!
I think the most cutthroat thing I did is cyclonic rift into a cracked memory jar. Yes you discard your whole board at the end of the turn. Fun stuff. The funniest part is I didn't realize the interaction till I did it and was shocked when everyone scooped
Díctate of Erebos / Grave Pact, No Mercy, and Opposition immediately come to mind
In a general red deck, simian spirit guide is really good to accelerate early. when you sometimes need an extra red on your turn for feather the redeemed, it's amazing.
Huh. I’ve played Feather for a few years, and I don’t think I’ve ever been desperate for Red mana. Usually it’s White one-drops I want to cast.
@@casketbase7750 I usually play cedh and along with other fast Mana sources like mox diamond, I've found it pretty useful getting feather out on turn 1.
I've done a line with mox diamond, crack an arid mesa to grab a plateau, then exile simian spirit guide to cast her turn 1.
@@grnteabug Jeez. My own Feather deck just plays Springleaf Drum, Mox Amber and 2CMC ramp to have 4 mana on turn 3. Enough to cast Feather and hold up 1 for an Instant.
Different play environments, I guess.
favorite cuttroat cards are definitely dictate of erebos and similar cards because i play a lot of sacrifice decks and it helps control opponents, i am mildly surprised you guys didnt talk about those or tegrid and the like
Stranglehold, Curse of the cabal, and Identity crisis are some of my favorite not mentioned.
I was hoping Sygg would make this video 😂
Surprised no one mentioned Tsunami. It's basically a "fuck you" to counters and other interaction like that.
They only cutthroat card that I play that I agree is unfair is Jin-Gitaxias because I even feel guilty when I play it, and og Vorinclex who is not in my main board for that reason. Counters like Counterspell and Mana Drain aren't cutthroat because they aren't free. Also that game that DJ mentioned at the end reminds me of in school when we used to flick the triangular pieces of paper and play football.
I like to use energy flux a lot to keep all these pesky artifacts and treasures of the battlefield
Mindslaver in a Zanathar deck is brutual combined with stuff like windfall, narset, mind twist, head games, opposition agent and the free counter spells and mana ramp
Everybody who plays black is gonna be salty lol
Nice 100 thieves shirt Jimmy!