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My experience skiing in resorts in France and Italy is that you can do what you want as long as you don't injure another mountain user, i am comparing this to the flow of traffic and slowest skier rule.
In Italy they threatened us with a fine for being late on the slope once (to be fair, we we're messing around a bit I had traded my snowboard with my friend's ski's and he was painfully slow). But other than that same. Austria does not give a flying fuck about anything you do on or off the slopes at any time. (Unless you're an instructor.) They do have the FIS rules which are generally a good idea to keep in mind anyways but I don't think any legal organisation upholds them untill you create an accident...
Probably they are way more strict in the US with the rules, because everyone can get sued easily and to way higher charges than in Europe. I never have seen ski patrol in Austria, Germany or Czech Republic
I really feel like a sign banning people sitting below the ridges would be more effective than banning jumping certain ridges. Because as we clearly saw in the video, people don't follow that! I'm pretty sure I'm guilty of taking a few of those as light jumps even! The real issue is people not following the code that you need to stop in a spot that is easy to see and out of the flow of traffic!
I think the issue is the people who sit there are beginners and can’t stand up straight without falling, or can’t ma maneuver to the sides easily. To be fair, they shouldn’t be in a spot like that though.
feel like it's more of a visibility issue, it's a blind unspotted jump and could be anything in that blind spot. beginners, someone who fell, someone who is injured, someone who doesn't know better, etc. it takes an inexperienced person a lot longer to clear a zone after a fall so they may not want to linger, but don't have the skills necessary to boogie outta there
The most obvious unspoken rule is to avoid Vail Resorts at all cost. But from personal experience, having your head on a swivel and treating every thoroughfare or intersection like you are in the street running amongst cars shows ski patrol a level of maturity they can respect. I have flown through marked slow zones, but while doing so, I distanced myself from other riders and showed that I was constantly looking left to right and uphill. Also, yelling out which side im passing someone from if I come up quick or there is a tight/blind bottleneck goes a long way. That level of awareness is all that is needed to keep everyone safe and demonstrate accountability.
@JustCaden Aside from the excessive capitalism and monopolies that are created, I think it's dangerous for one corporation to own 40+ mountains. There are too many points to make tbh. Destroying the individuality of resorts with a one size fits all approach and over enforcing rules don't encourage too much exploration. A surprising lack of fun...
just ski in the alps... you can ski wherever you want, doing whatever you want as long as you don't injure anyone You can ski as quick as you want. You can jump wherever you want. You can ski on closed trails. If anything happens to you, that's your problem, and if you injure someone else, that's also your problem, it's basically up to you.
If you injure someone else it is also a problem of the other person, since this person is now injured. And no you cannot ski wherever you want. There are alt least in Switzerland protected areas for the wildlife where you cannot or should not ski. There are the FIS rules on how to behave on the slope and there is no police on the slops. Otherwise myself and my kids (11, 13) would have been stopped many times. If you decide to got off the slope think always that in cause of an emergency someone else has to risk their life to rescue you. And this can be at the end a real financial and emotional problem for you.
@@chbonnhoffyeah... switzerland is interesting. you can ski wherever you want, except the wildlife areas. you don't get you pass revoked since nobody cares about that. but the fine that you get is enough to regret your life choices. and regarding speed... where I ski, there's a run which is called "Olympic". it's where the alpine skiers train for competition. at the end of it, it merges into a blue run. do you think they slow down or they just continue at 100kph until the bottom?
Yeah but going off piste is way more risky right? Closer to backcountry/sidecountry skiing in the US. In the US if an off piste area is open, it's been avalanche mitigated and is actively patrolled in case you wind up in trouble.
The common sense rule applies for everything in Europe. Don't go near a cliff or you will fall, but enjoy the view from a safe distance, in the US there must be a big fence with barbed wire obstructing the view with tons of signs in bold stating dangerous cliff, falls can be fatal, then one person goes off and the whole area is shut down forever.
Vail is a mega company and so in order for them to keep maximum profits they put in a bunch of dumb rules to mitigate liability on the mountain. They want to avoid any and all lawsuits lol. They also probably just hate fun.
Here's a couple I would add (never had my pass pulled, btw): Always be extra cool to ski school: give them plenty of room to cut the line, and approach with extreme caution when coming down a run if you see a group of beginners. Give as much stoke to others as possible. Share your sunblock if you see someone who is burning. We're all out to have a good time. A simple, "are you OK" if someone falls or "that was AWESOME" when someone is doing good goes a long way towards a good vibe on the mountain. If ski patrol does offer a suggestion, be sincerely apologetic and respectful. You'll be much less likely to lose your pass.
In addition to rules, there's also etiquette that an increasing number of people are unaware of. These aren't hard rules and won't get your pass pulled, but they are good to follow to make sure everyone has a safe and pleasant experience on the slopes! Especially as you leave the beginner runs and onto more advanced terrain. 1. Do not stop or sit in a blind spot. People can only avoid you if they can see you! If you bail under a roller get out of the way ASAP! If you lose you gear ideally a friend can stand where they can be seen while you get situated. 2. Stop on the side of the run. Stopping in the middle of a run, especially when in a big group of people, creates a blockade that makes it hard for people to get down the slope. This is not only very annoying, but creates unsafe conditions by forcing everyone toward the edges where they have less room to maneuver. 3. Ski in the middle of the run. Once you start skiing, sticking to the middle when possible is the best course of action. People ski at different speeds. That means you will need to pass people and people will need to pass you. The best way for this to happen is to leave room on both sides of you for people to pass. If you don't, don't be surprised if someone passes you a little too close for comfort! 4. Check uphill before moving from the middle of the run to the side, or from the side to the middle. Ultimately it's the uphill's skier's responsibility to avoid colliding with you. However making that as easy as possible makes skiing safer and more enjoyable for everyone involved. If someone is passing you on your left and you cut them off by turning over to the left edge of the run without checking over your shoulder, you'll force the skier off the run or to make an emergency stop. That's no fun, and increases the likelihood that they will make a mistake and hit you. Don't worry about these too much if you're a novice and it's taking all your focus just to make it to the bottom! But as you improve it's a good idea to start considering other people on the slopes more and more when making decisions. Stay safe! :)
Another great one is lift etiquette! If youre sitting on the far right of the lift, DO NOT just cut across to the right without telling everyone else on the chair! As a skiier I also had to learn how to ride a lift with snowboarders. Easiest thing to do imo is to put skis UNDER boards, and just move your skis out and give boarders space when you’re approaching the end of a lift. Just coordinate with the other people you’re on the lift with. Also if you just randomly lower the bar without warning you will probably hit someone in the head. Don’t do that.
@@Taich0u Particularly on high speed six packs, they often put signs up on the towers near the top saying "Which way are you going? Make a plan before unloading."
Another tip to not get your pass taken: Ski instead of snowboarding. I swear I see the Mountain safety (a.k.a. the fun police) stop boarders way more than skiers for the smallest thing, but will ignore most skiers going mach jesus through a group of people. I've seen skiers cut people off right in front of the safety people and they don't bat an eye. I don't entertain Park City anymore because it started to get way too crowded after Covid (cheaper Epic Pass causing that?) and they have $25 paid parking now, but I loathe those annoying yellow vest people. The mountain I go to now does have green vests with the same job, but you only see them on 1 particular run that is designated as a "Family Zone." They do tell people to slow down but they usually seem more fair than Vail's yellow vest fun police.
Your tip is to completely change what sport you're doing? That's not very practical advice for people who can already barely afford to hit up a ski resort. Now I'm supposed to buy a whole new setup that costs more than the pass I might lose?
At the same (high) speed skiing is far more controlled than snowboarding though. I ski with a friend who’s a very good snowboarder. On our little adventures throughout Europe and North America, off piste he looks far more elegant and is more resistant to hitting logs or rocks, but on piste… one ice plate on the edge of the run? Flying into the trees. Especially at high speeds and with thin margins on the piste you can’t compare to small radius skis. Neither me or him have ever lost an EPIC/IKON pass though. Only ever had issues with ending up on closed runs and usually they can reasoned with. Helps to bring all the avalanche gear with you I think, they were always fairly chill.
I have an issue with the slow signs. Here's the thing, Usually runs are marked No beginner terrain, yet you have people standing and laying all over the run. If you can get your pass pulled for riding too fast on a beginner run, they should pull passes for going down runs you know you aren't capable of doing.
The obvious issue is: while there is an objective way to measure a speed (and it's easy to compare your speed against someone else's), there is no clear way to measure abilities, neither for yourself nor for ski patrol. This "you know you aren't capable" is 100% subjective and is even harder for an observer to judge. These people you saw standing/laying, were they beginners, or did they just get tired, or were they trying to make a few pictures, or did they make a mistake and fall, or were they just inconsiderate?
I've only ever seen slow signs in places where, for lack of a better term, shit is complicated. Multiple trails merging or a trail merging and a lift line forming, or something like that. They just need to enforce that people slow down because if you don't force that some young jabrony who thinks they are invincible is going to rip through disregarding their effect on skiers/boarders around them.
I'm a beginner-intermediate level skier and I stick to the intermediate runs and the occasional black diamond if I want a challenge; there's only been a handful of runs I've been concerned going down, and I usually didn't run them again until I felt more confident and relaxed. If someone is having a rough time on a run or taking it slow, the last thing they need is for someone to pull their pass because they weren't ready.
Thing about that is that everyonehas at some point had to go down runs that are probably too difficult for them. But that is the only way you make them not-as-difficult.
fortunately over here in Europe we dont have any kind of ski patrol so basically you can do whatever you want to do but in Europe there are much more racing skirs which dont duck ropes they just purly ride on the prept slops (sorry if my English is not that good because it isn’t my first language)
These rules seem to be mostly on huge expensive resorts. I’m glad I got my gore mountain affordable, huge, and in the middle of the andirondicks with usually not to many people.
For me the biggest one is: If you don't know, if you're new somewhere, if you see people doing silly stuff and want to follow, but don't know if it's OK? Ask! Some places, ducking a rope to get some side-country will get your ticket pulled, other places it's just more like "you're on your own if you duck this rope" and the best way to know is: Ask! Don't assume that because you see 10 other people doing it that it's safe. Ask! Similarly, especially if you're at a resort with extreme in-bounds terrain (like Jackson, Revy, Whistler, etc) do NOT just follow some random set of tracks into the unknown without knowing what you're headed for. It's one thing to be a super-expert, 'I can ski anything' skier, but you really want to know what part of "anything" is on the other side of those trees with the tracks heading into them. Even if you'd be willing to huck a 50ft cliff, it's better to know it's coming than to be surprised. Experts plan their lines ahead.
wow, in decades of skiing in europe, I've never heard of anyone getting their pass pulled. I guess if I had failed the cop exam and was bitter about that and had to work on the pistes while everyone else was having fun then I'd be a Nazi about it too. I guess taking passes is quite profitable as it increases ticket sales on what is an already very expensive ticket. Is canada the same or do they take a more european approach to the mountains?
Lawsuits! Americans love to do stupid shit and then sue. Although the rules about the yellow padding and not touching that is because they don't want to be fixing it constantly.
Those are pretty well all spoken rules (written, really), just saying. 😂 How pass pulling happy are resorts down there? In 4 years as a full time ski patroller I only took two passes, both for poaching avalanche closures. Everything else just got a “hey dude, don’t do that, here is why”. Varying degrees of aggression, but I pretty much never even threatened to take someone’s pass. I was a fan of the “why do you think that was closed?” line. Education, not enforcement.
our goal was always tap it so hard that it breaks it out of the snow and knocks the sign down, or we just jumped the sign and taped the top of it for fun.
Basically Americans are like children, they only respond to penalty that involves things being taken away. If you get a warning, who cares. If you get a fine, just don't pay. If you're asked to show ID, just refuse. If you get yelled at, post it on social media and play victim. If you kill somebody, get a lawyer and remain silent. Look at what happened to Ron LeMaster
You should edit 4th No playing around in Lifts that pull you up. You often see multiple pathways and jumps people have done while going up. That can be dangerous and get you kicked out. You are supposed to stay middle ^^
Is it true that a one-day peak season lift ticket at Vail is now $299? Yowzah --- no wonder so many skiers & riders these days act like they're so entitled. They're obviously wealthy.
I don't know how you come up with a different topic every single day. It blows my mind. This is a great topic to discuss this time of year and especially with all the crash videos I've been seeing with the caption "who's fault was this" and FYI it's always the skiers fault. 😆 Just kidding
@@streamtracker Not really because we don't have ski patrol. We only have them for emergancies and we only have slow sign and almost nobody really cares about them
@@sebastianjohannes5706 No because of ski patrol. We have freedom. If you go 100km/h or 30km/h you. No one will remove your ski ticket because of speed or jumps. As long as everyone is safe do what you want
1:30 LMAO I remember learning to snowboard at the resort I go to normally They have a magic carpet for their bunny hill But at the end of the bunny hill there is a "SLOW" sign RIGHT before the entrance to the magic carpet I was thinking to myself "If I had any less control over my board I would be taking that sign OUT" Or even better "I wonder how many times a day they have to pick up that sign?" 😂
dont stop even if they are wearing skis! just cruise all the way to your car, get in and leave. there isnt a damn thing they can do. people that willingly hand their pass to a yellow jacket, probably wash their wife's boyfriends car on the weekends too.
Once my 7 year old son wiped out on skis on the left side of a run and I took my board off to get to him because I was panicked. I made a ledge in the snow to hold the board while I helped him. When I got him back together and knew he was ok I realized my board was gone and a snow patrol guy came up to me with my board. I was shaken and thankful and surprised my board had taken off. He gave me a 'ticket' and explained how dangerous a loose board was and all the ways it could really hurt someone, especially a child. I really had no idea that would ever happen. I'd never taken my board off. I was completely wrong to do it, or at least for not REALLY, REALLY checking to make sure my board was secure on the hill. He was really mad and not having it. He said if I did anything wrong again my pass would be pulled but this was a 'ticket', I guess an official warning and next time that would be it. I have no intention of taking my board off again, but I really was panicked when I thought my son was hurt and had to get over to him as fast as possible and he was uphill from me.
Years ago I was skiing in Tahoe on a small narrow run off the main run. A guy decided to stop behind a freaking tree. I came around that tree with no idea there was a dude just on the other side standing there. I took both of us out. He got sandwiched between the tree and me. We were both okay, but damn, don't be hanging out below jumps/ ridges and blind corners where people can't avoid you.
I've been skiing for 3 decades and I never knew the SLOW sign meant the entire run. I always thought it was the zone just past the sign which is usually the exits of lifts, the bottom and where trails merge.
In Europe, SLOW signs almost exclusively exist within 100m from the bottom of a lift (if at all), or perhaps sometimes when two large trails merge, but not somewhere in the middle of a trail just because it gets narrower or takes a dip. It's somehow odd that in the "land of the free" there are more restrictions than in supposedly overregulated Europe!
I witnessed guys jumping off ski lifts in New Zealand, which was pretty epic. The funny thing was, they were the lift operators they got their pass pulled.
I once got stopped for rippin down a slow zone and the mountain safety pulled that “speed of the slowest rider” rule out. I replied, “Well the half people on the run had crashed so the slowest rider wasn’t moving, how does that work?”. I think I broke his brain because he left me alone without saying another word lol
A definite rule is not to go on freshly repaired slopes, because they need time to harden, otherwise there is a groove that becomes hard and can injure someone if they get stuck in the groove. And certainly not where there are snow groomers, because they sometimes have ropes that can kill you if you get stuck!!! 😨
Im from germany and we dont rly have that kind of rules in Germany, Czech, Switzerland or Austria…Just dont bring other people in harms way and ur fine. Do whatever u want, just dont be a dick on purpose, but ive never heard that anybody got their pass pulled xD so this is rly weird for me to learn about!
although not for lack of trying i've never gotten my pass pulled but i have since then learned to follow the rules. it is kind of a pain though you could still get hassled even when you are following all the rules. i've had ski patrol bother me for going too fast down an empty black diamond or karen's complain when no actual rules were broken. i have been trying to avoid it as much as possible. for instance always slowing down in slow zones and i usually go twice the distance (30 feet vs 15 feet) away from people especially when bombing down and also going down tracks that are empty or less populated or simply waiting for a path to open up. some people just dont like it when people ski fast in general.
When crowded i just ski past everyone on the very edge or slightly in the woods when i can. Also i don't mind slowing down at the choke points and then scrambling off in a wildly opposite direction of traffic
I just got back from snowshoe mountain and it is one of the best ski resorts up north! it was my first time going there but it was my third time skiing. the trails, the fresh snow, and the employs where amazing. I cant wait to go back to snowshoe. 10/10 mountain.
Ski patrol is useful because they blow up avalanche prone terrain and rescue people. A strava heat map will tell you that they allow more people to ski off of (edit: meaning not on) groomed runs than in the Alps. The yellow jackets are not ski patrol. They're "mountain safety".
Some of these are common sense, others are actually spoken. If you're jumping, you're not able to stop or avoid people, which violates the first rule of the mountain (I've seen resorts post these rules in multiple places). They put the no jumping signs up where there's the most risk of poorly planned and controlled jumps, but jumping can be very hazardous to other riders and skiers. Unexpected things happen. People crash at your planned landing point, people change their turn radius, people's bindings release, etc. The jumper is almost always at fault for a crash from a jump because it's not possible to control speed or direction in the air. Someone else intentionally wrecking the jump is about the only time it's not the jumper's fault (but good luck proving it was intentional). Someone sitting where they can't be seen may be at fault for a very short jump, because you probably would have hit them without jumping anyway. The 6th rule is to stay off closed trails, so also spoken... there's also a sign... so... that one is spoken multiple times. It sucks when you're caught after someone else has ripped down that tape though
Not really a rule, but a huge thing to remember: most of the people at the resort are only there a few days a year at max and have no clue what they are doing. It may be their first and only time skiing. Even if someone comes once a year for the last decade, they still have less experience than someone in their first season that goes twice a week.
I'm not sure about the idea that if you come out of a tree area that's open you're supposed to magically know if you're coming onto a run that was closed at the top or not. Depending on the layout you might not have ever passed the top of the run before getting into the trees. In my experience they'd either close all the adjacent trees too, or they'd have a rope line running down the whole side of the run along the tree line.
I have a few dings on the top of my board because of needing to stop fast do to some water battle on the run/falling rider ahead/etc. keep a distance people or you will be doing a 360 on the air.
Twenty years working at ski resorts. I hate the term "Terrain Park," the entire ski area is, by definition, a terrain park. The unwritten rules are: We live here, this is our home. Act like a guest, and you will be treated like one. Act like an entitled asshole, and you will pay. Just because you can afford a vacation cabin in town, and you come five times a year DOES NOT make you a local. Money cannot buy respect on the ski hill. Being cool will. Weed is worth more than money, and you will always get a better exchange rate. Snowplow on my lift loading ramp in the spring, and I WILL slam that chair into your calves. You should have been here Tuesday. ~ And the number one, immutable rule of life in any ski town: "She is not YOUR girlfriend; it's just your turn."
I remember when the slow signs were about 2 feet off the ground, and we used to ski underneath of them by laying down backwards on our skis of course, that was about 30 years ago
The most important rule is that if you're coming from higher up and pass another below you, you should yield the one who is below you when passing him/her. I was once in such a situation where a ski instructor broke this rule and his skis hit my board while I was getting ready to proceed the appropriate hill down. That was not correct thing for the instructor to do, he should have yielded...
what if you have a season pass? they take your season pass for a small mistake ? and what if you say you dont have a pass? maybe your friend let you in with his pass, without passing it to you. or if you dont want to give your pass away?
don’t hit the lips for jibs if you aren’t going to land on the rail/tube/box. it messes up the lip and puts you jumping into an area that isn’t a “landing” which is dangerous for everyone…honestly resorts should require you learn park etiquette before allowing you in the park
Curios about the legal grounds for pulling a pass if they see you on a closed run. It cant be trespassing since majority of resorts are on public land and are just charging you for there amenities i.e.; lifts and ski patrol, right?
Extra chair edicate: Please be polite, say hello on the lift to the old 2 plankers, Communicate as you pull the safety bar down so you don't wack someone on the head, Wait till the safety bar comes down before you start adjusting your boots.
Some of the worst offenders are resort employees skiing or riding on their day off. I've mentioned this to the patrol a few times, usually just get shoulder shrug(s) and/or eye rolls.🙄🙄🙄
@@tahoemike5828 I would have to disagree. I taught at aspen for 10 years and I've seen plenty of really talented skiers get into bad accidents because some beginner/intermediate skier does a unexpected turn and the guy bombing doesn't have time to stop/turn. There's no doubt that the guy going fast is in complete control and is actively looking at other skiers but all it takes is one unexpected rider to cause a serious injury. Bombing on most runs is fine but the main run that the Jerry's ski down is extremely dangerous to bomb at high speed and there's really just no point.
There's this one run that has a slow sign right at the end of the slope where it turns towards the lifts. But there's a good 300ft of flat terrain then a bit of a slide up. I always book it ignoring the slow sign otherwise i'd end up walking the entire way. Not sure what the slow sign is for aside from telling people to be careful about the turn.
Do you have any videos for people wanting to ride trees and go into backcountry and heavy powder for the first time? One thing that turns me off from wanting to try it is the horror stories with tree wells and all that because I know that they have skiiable terrain that says no ski patrol is over that way type of areas. Im not even close to there but it would help me undertstand what I need to do to become a better rider than handle it with confidence. Also, love the videos dude. Glad the season is back. This will be my third season :)
Don't ski the trees, ski the spaces. Don't look at the trees or you will hit one. Look at the spaces, and you will see space. When you drive you look at the center of your lane, not the oncoming traffic; for the same reason. Be life and death honest with yourself about your abilities, and do not go faster than you can really control. Wear a helmet, and go with somebody especially if you are new to the area. Ignore heavy "powder," wait for the light stuff. And, be there on Tuesday.
Several years ago I used some off color language in the Summit Express lift line and was told that I could have my pass pulled for it. I don't know if it was true but it sure changed my opinion about Keystone.
I remember one time I was trying to continue onto the blue(?) trail and I couldn't make it and the mountain started pulling me down a black diamond and I went down a little bit and then got exasperated because I DID NOT CHOOSE to go down that black diamond, the mountain FORCED ME -_- so I sat down and then a few people showed up at the top and were looking at me and I was like "they can go around me, there's plenty of room." But they weren't moving so I got up, and then later as I was going to the lift line, someone told me it's a good idea not to go on the black diamonds that day because the snow was something something and it's easy to get stuck. And I was like "uh yeah..." I'm pretty sure someone complained to them. Which annoys me so much because I DIDN'T CHOOSE TO GO DOWN THAT TRAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm looking at getting into snowboarding, and getting your pass pulled for breaking unspoken rules is a crazy concept to me. I'm not new to ski resorts as I go there to downhill bike during the offseason. Even for breaking spoken rules, we usually just get let off with a warning. I've never seen anybody get their pass pulled, because you'd have to do something seriously F'd up to have that happen
Rule 1: Don't be a dick. Rule 2: Don't suck. The "unspoken rules" are really just don't endanger other guests. The most egregious is dropping blind side hits on the one open and very busy green run. That run is for beginners, they will be in the landing, you will hit them. Go to the park they built for you to do anything you want in. You are not entitled to use the trail in an obviously dangerous way for the other guests. If you look safe and in control and don't blow up at ski patrol, you'll only get a warning, every time. go forth and slay dude!
Dude this is not unspoken ... It is called YOUR RESONSIBLITY CODE and is has the weight of the law behind it. Always stay in control. You must be able to stop or avoid people or objects. People ahead or downhill of you have the right-of-way. You must avoid them. Stop only where you are visible from above and do not restrict traffic. Look uphill and avoid others before starting downhill or entering a trail. You must prevent runaway equipment. Read and obey all signs, warnings, and hazard markings. Keep off closed trails and out of closed areas. You must know how and be able to load, ride and unload lifts safely. If you need assistance, ask the lift attendant. Do not use lifts or terrain when impaired by alcohol or drugs. If you are involved in a collision or incident, share your contact information with each other and a ski area employee. If this is new news to you and you have skied more than once you KNOW THIS. If you only skied once and never skied again it was because some else broke these rules scaring the fuck out of you so badly you are traumatized about the sport. it used to be just boorish gapers creating the danger... now those gapers overrepresent snowboarding as the properly reviled idiots who never follow any of these rules.
Dude i don't know what rules there are on American hills but I've talked to patrollers about the "never cross a rope but ride everywhere" and none of them have ever threatened to pull my pass. They have actually given me good advice and access to lots of slackcountry and other sweet terain. You should ride in Canada it sounds and looks a lot more unstructured and free.
im confused, does the resort own the slopes and the trails? also some off these rules are insane, why take the fun out of it, yes i know safety concerns but still its common sense to look out for each other and no need to make a rule out of it.
Mine was because it was raining, and when I fell on my back, my cheap ass on poncho became a sled and I took some lady out from behind. Good thing I was ~6 years old.
Unspoken rule, most resorts are on government land and getting your pass pulled just means you can’t use the lifts and your day doesn’t have to end there
Stop if you hit someone. My daughter got clipped on a mellow blue on a busy Saturday in Tahoe, she didn't get hurt but the dude kept on going. I've been snowboarding for over 25 years and I could tell this dude was a newer rider because he couldn't carry his speed to the lift and was skating the rest of the ~50 yards. I confronted him and got his pass pulled due to the fact he did not stop to apologize or make sure she was okay. I'd also add to go as fast as you are able to control yourself, anyone can straight line a hill but can you stop or turn at those speeds are another question.
I like the “ speed limit is the flow of traffic” . in laax the park run turns into about 500m of straight steep run that everyone bombs. So I guess that means that because majority of people go fast then that is the speed limit
Can't disagree... these probably *should* be driven fast. On a steep slope, one would become a roadblock. And also on beginner ones; since they are not that steep to begin with, one might have to push themselves forward with the sticks at times^^
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Th no jump sign does not work
"No jumping" 'three guys fly by NOT going the speed of the run AND jumping' 😂 That moment had me in tears.
Great right 😂
That was hilarious!😂😂😂😂
They saw Jon standing there and needed to provide him an example of what not to do.
@@SugmaDLigmaNutzLol though i don’t think so I would join them
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My experience skiing in resorts in France and Italy is that you can do what you want as long as you don't injure another mountain user, i am comparing this to the flow of traffic and slowest skier rule.
Exactly what I was thinking!
In Italy they threatened us with a fine for being late on the slope once (to be fair, we we're messing around a bit I had traded my snowboard with my friend's ski's and he was painfully slow). But other than that same.
Austria does not give a flying fuck about anything you do on or off the slopes at any time. (Unless you're an instructor.)
They do have the FIS rules which are generally a good idea to keep in mind anyways but I don't think any legal organisation upholds them untill you create an accident...
The cool resorts in the US don’t do this because ski patrol is actually helping people instead of being anal enthusiasts
Yeah and the "slow" signs are just for the immediate area, usually because 2 runs come together, there's a ski lift, high slow traffic areas basically
Probably they are way more strict in the US with the rules, because everyone can get sued easily and to way higher charges than in Europe. I never have seen ski patrol in Austria, Germany or Czech Republic
My rule... just stay on advanced or harder runs so you never have to deal with ski patrol.
Agreed
I really feel like a sign banning people sitting below the ridges would be more effective than banning jumping certain ridges. Because as we clearly saw in the video, people don't follow that! I'm pretty sure I'm guilty of taking a few of those as light jumps even! The real issue is people not following the code that you need to stop in a spot that is easy to see and out of the flow of traffic!
I think the issue is the people who sit there are beginners and can’t stand up straight without falling, or can’t ma maneuver to the sides easily. To be fair, they shouldn’t be in a spot like that though.
"No Loitering" signs. Like in the ghetto. (If you're around snowboarders, what's the difference)
Yes! Can tell you how many times I've bailed on a jump last second cause there is a group of 7 half way across the landing lol
feel like it's more of a visibility issue, it's a blind unspotted jump and could be anything in that blind spot. beginners, someone who fell, someone who is injured, someone who doesn't know better, etc. it takes an inexperienced person a lot longer to clear a zone after a fall so they may not want to linger, but don't have the skills necessary to boogie outta there
@@zephyr707 You just described the issue. People sitting below the ridge. That's the issue which needs to be fixed, not the people jumping the ridge
The most obvious unspoken rule is to avoid Vail Resorts at all cost. But from personal experience, having your head on a swivel and treating every thoroughfare or intersection like you are in the street running amongst cars shows ski patrol a level of maturity they can respect. I have flown through marked slow zones, but while doing so, I distanced myself from other riders and showed that I was constantly looking left to right and uphill. Also, yelling out which side im passing someone from if I come up quick or there is a tight/blind bottleneck goes a long way. That level of awareness is all that is needed to keep everyone safe and demonstrate accountability.
my local hill waw bought out by vail couple years ago its called crotchet mountain 😔
What’s so bad about vail I have been only skiing beaver creek and vail my entire life and don’t know why it is looked down opon
@JustCaden Aside from the excessive capitalism and monopolies that are created, I think it's dangerous for one corporation to own 40+ mountains. There are too many points to make tbh. Destroying the individuality of resorts with a one size fits all approach and over enforcing rules don't encourage too much exploration. A surprising lack of fun...
@@brookscookiepremium same i ski at crotched, it was so much better when peak owned it
@@tom.c44 ya but its my local hill im so attached to it that i cant go to any mountain without comparing it to crotchet there parks are always fun
just ski in the alps... you can ski wherever you want, doing whatever you want as long as you don't injure anyone
You can ski as quick as you want. You can jump wherever you want. You can ski on closed trails. If anything happens to you, that's your problem, and if you injure someone else, that's also your problem, it's basically up to you.
If you injure someone else it is also a problem of the other person, since this person is now injured. And no you cannot ski wherever you want. There are alt least in Switzerland protected areas for the wildlife where you cannot or should not ski. There are the FIS rules on how to behave on the slope and there is no police on the slops. Otherwise myself and my kids (11, 13) would have been stopped many times.
If you decide to got off the slope think always that in cause of an emergency someone else has to risk their life to rescue you. And this can be at the end a real financial and emotional problem for you.
@@chbonnhoffyeah... switzerland is interesting. you can ski wherever you want, except the wildlife areas. you don't get you pass revoked since nobody cares about that. but the fine that you get is enough to regret your life choices.
and regarding speed... where I ski, there's a run which is called "Olympic". it's where the alpine skiers train for competition. at the end of it, it merges into a blue run. do you think they slow down or they just continue at 100kph until the bottom?
this is why skiing in Europe is so relaxing, the only rule is have common sense
That's exactly why. Americans have no common sense and no way to enforce common sense.
got to have all these silly rules in america because they all love suing each other
@@nickex2003 And there is no common sense or a sense of responsibility.
Yeah but going off piste is way more risky right? Closer to backcountry/sidecountry skiing in the US. In the US if an off piste area is open, it's been avalanche mitigated and is actively patrolled in case you wind up in trouble.
The common sense rule applies for everything in Europe. Don't go near a cliff or you will fall, but enjoy the view from a safe distance, in the US there must be a big fence with barbed wire obstructing the view with tons of signs in bold stating dangerous cliff, falls can be fatal, then one person goes off and the whole area is shut down forever.
Jeez why are american ski resorts so incredibly strict? In the alps you probably have to kill someone to get your pass pulled..
It’s vail resorts 🤷🏼♂️ all their rules
Depends on the Resort. Vail owned mountains are notorious. Better off just staying away.
Vail is a mega company and so in order for them to keep maximum profits they put in a bunch of dumb rules to mitigate liability on the mountain. They want to avoid any and all lawsuits lol. They also probably just hate fun.
The skier's code was first published in 1962 before Vail existed. This code is adopted worldwide. @@JohnathanBuckhouse
Even then if you're the nationality of where the Ski resort is you'll probably be fine.. if you're English though, you're going to jail
Also, Don't F-around on the chair lifts. Do not bounce them!
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS!! Bouncing the chair can cause serious issues!
Here's a couple I would add (never had my pass pulled, btw):
Always be extra cool to ski school: give them plenty of room to cut the line, and approach with extreme caution when coming down a run if you see a group of beginners.
Give as much stoke to others as possible. Share your sunblock if you see someone who is burning. We're all out to have a good time. A simple, "are you OK" if someone falls or "that was AWESOME" when someone is doing good goes a long way towards a good vibe on the mountain.
If ski patrol does offer a suggestion, be sincerely apologetic and respectful. You'll be much less likely to lose your pass.
In addition to rules, there's also etiquette that an increasing number of people are unaware of. These aren't hard rules and won't get your pass pulled, but they are good to follow to make sure everyone has a safe and pleasant experience on the slopes! Especially as you leave the beginner runs and onto more advanced terrain.
1. Do not stop or sit in a blind spot. People can only avoid you if they can see you! If you bail under a roller get out of the way ASAP! If you lose you gear ideally a friend can stand where they can be seen while you get situated.
2. Stop on the side of the run. Stopping in the middle of a run, especially when in a big group of people, creates a blockade that makes it hard for people to get down the slope. This is not only very annoying, but creates unsafe conditions by forcing everyone toward the edges where they have less room to maneuver.
3. Ski in the middle of the run. Once you start skiing, sticking to the middle when possible is the best course of action. People ski at different speeds. That means you will need to pass people and people will need to pass you. The best way for this to happen is to leave room on both sides of you for people to pass. If you don't, don't be surprised if someone passes you a little too close for comfort!
4. Check uphill before moving from the middle of the run to the side, or from the side to the middle. Ultimately it's the uphill's skier's responsibility to avoid colliding with you. However making that as easy as possible makes skiing safer and more enjoyable for everyone involved. If someone is passing you on your left and you cut them off by turning over to the left edge of the run without checking over your shoulder, you'll force the skier off the run or to make an emergency stop. That's no fun, and increases the likelihood that they will make a mistake and hit you.
Don't worry about these too much if you're a novice and it's taking all your focus just to make it to the bottom! But as you improve it's a good idea to start considering other people on the slopes more and more when making decisions.
Stay safe! :)
Another great one is lift etiquette! If youre sitting on the far right of the lift, DO NOT just cut across to the right without telling everyone else on the chair!
As a skiier I also had to learn how to ride a lift with snowboarders. Easiest thing to do imo is to put skis UNDER boards, and just move your skis out and give boarders space when you’re approaching the end of a lift. Just coordinate with the other people you’re on the lift with.
Also if you just randomly lower the bar without warning you will probably hit someone in the head. Don’t do that.
@@Taich0u Particularly on high speed six packs, they often put signs up on the towers near the top saying "Which way are you going? Make a plan before unloading."
Another tip to not get your pass taken: Ski instead of snowboarding.
I swear I see the Mountain safety (a.k.a. the fun police) stop boarders way more than skiers for the smallest thing, but will ignore most skiers going mach jesus through a group of people. I've seen skiers cut people off right in front of the safety people and they don't bat an eye.
I don't entertain Park City anymore because it started to get way too crowded after Covid (cheaper Epic Pass causing that?) and they have $25 paid parking now, but I loathe those annoying yellow vest people. The mountain I go to now does have green vests with the same job, but you only see them on 1 particular run that is designated as a "Family Zone." They do tell people to slow down but they usually seem more fair than Vail's yellow vest fun police.
'Going mach Jesus'
@@Requiem_xxthat made me chuckle to
Your tip is to completely change what sport you're doing? That's not very practical advice for people who can already barely afford to hit up a ski resort. Now I'm supposed to buy a whole new setup that costs more than the pass I might lose?
At the same (high) speed skiing is far more controlled than snowboarding though. I ski with a friend who’s a very good snowboarder. On our little adventures throughout Europe and North America, off piste he looks far more elegant and is more resistant to hitting logs or rocks, but on piste… one ice plate on the edge of the run? Flying into the trees. Especially at high speeds and with thin margins on the piste you can’t compare to small radius skis. Neither me or him have ever lost an EPIC/IKON pass though. Only ever had issues with ending up on closed runs and usually they can reasoned with. Helps to bring all the avalanche gear with you I think, they were always fairly chill.
Imagine being so poor you couldn’t afford parking 😅
I have an issue with the slow signs. Here's the thing, Usually runs are marked No beginner terrain, yet you have people standing and laying all over the run. If you can get your pass pulled for riding too fast on a beginner run, they should pull passes for going down runs you know you aren't capable of doing.
The obvious issue is: while there is an objective way to measure a speed (and it's easy to compare your speed against someone else's), there is no clear way to measure abilities, neither for yourself nor for ski patrol. This "you know you aren't capable" is 100% subjective and is even harder for an observer to judge. These people you saw standing/laying, were they beginners, or did they just get tired, or were they trying to make a few pictures, or did they make a mistake and fall, or were they just inconsiderate?
I've only ever seen slow signs in places where, for lack of a better term, shit is complicated. Multiple trails merging or a trail merging and a lift line forming, or something like that. They just need to enforce that people slow down because if you don't force that some young jabrony who thinks they are invincible is going to rip through disregarding their effect on skiers/boarders around them.
I'm a beginner-intermediate level skier and I stick to the intermediate runs and the occasional black diamond if I want a challenge; there's only been a handful of runs I've been concerned going down, and I usually didn't run them again until I felt more confident and relaxed. If someone is having a rough time on a run or taking it slow, the last thing they need is for someone to pull their pass because they weren't ready.
Unfortunately, there is no way to prevent beginner to enter an expert terrain unless themselves get hurt.
Thing about that is that everyonehas at some point had to go down runs that are probably too difficult for them. But that is the only way you make them not-as-difficult.
fortunately over here in Europe we dont have any kind of ski patrol so basically you can do whatever you want to do but in Europe there are much more racing skirs which dont duck ropes they just purly ride on the prept slops
(sorry if my English is not that good because it isn’t my first language)
These rules seem to be mostly on huge expensive resorts. I’m glad I got my gore mountain affordable, huge, and in the middle of the andirondicks with usually not to many people.
I speed down my local mountain’s black run( it not really one but only a really short steep section)
For me the biggest one is: If you don't know, if you're new somewhere, if you see people doing silly stuff and want to follow, but don't know if it's OK? Ask! Some places, ducking a rope to get some side-country will get your ticket pulled, other places it's just more like "you're on your own if you duck this rope" and the best way to know is: Ask! Don't assume that because you see 10 other people doing it that it's safe. Ask! Similarly, especially if you're at a resort with extreme in-bounds terrain (like Jackson, Revy, Whistler, etc) do NOT just follow some random set of tracks into the unknown without knowing what you're headed for. It's one thing to be a super-expert, 'I can ski anything' skier, but you really want to know what part of "anything" is on the other side of those trees with the tracks heading into them. Even if you'd be willing to huck a 50ft cliff, it's better to know it's coming than to be surprised. Experts plan their lines ahead.
wow, in decades of skiing in europe, I've never heard of anyone getting their pass pulled. I guess if I had failed the cop exam and was bitter about that and had to work on the pistes while everyone else was having fun then I'd be a Nazi about it too. I guess taking passes is quite profitable as it increases ticket sales on what is an already very expensive ticket. Is canada the same or do they take a more european approach to the mountains?
Lawsuits! Americans love to do stupid shit and then sue. Although the rules about the yellow padding and not touching that is because they don't want to be fixing it constantly.
Those are pretty well all spoken rules (written, really), just saying. 😂
How pass pulling happy are resorts down there? In 4 years as a full time ski patroller I only took two passes, both for poaching avalanche closures. Everything else just got a “hey dude, don’t do that, here is why”. Varying degrees of aggression, but I pretty much never even threatened to take someone’s pass. I was a fan of the “why do you think that was closed?” line. Education, not enforcement.
I’ve been with friends tapping the yellow wrappings on the poles as a trick, didn’t know that was a way to get a pass pulled. Good to know!
our goal was always tap it so hard that it breaks it out of the snow and knocks the sign down, or we just jumped the sign and taped the top of it for fun.
I think its hilarious that you can get you pass taken away in the us. I never knew that before i dont think that thats possible anywhere in europe 😅
its just for bs reasons
Because Americans love to sue, even if it’s their fault. Resorts do this to avoid lawsuits
"Land of the free".... but hey, they are allowed to keep the safety bar up in a chairlift
@@BasvanRooij fair point 😂
Basically Americans are like children, they only respond to penalty that involves things being taken away. If you get a warning, who cares. If you get a fine, just don't pay. If you're asked to show ID, just refuse. If you get yelled at, post it on social media and play victim. If you kill somebody, get a lawyer and remain silent. Look at what happened to Ron LeMaster
1. No dropping anything off a lift.
2. No going out of bounds.
3. No getting on the slopes before the lifts open - including ski-in/out areas.
You should edit 4th No playing around in Lifts that pull you up. You often see multiple pathways and jumps people have done while going up. That can be dangerous and get you kicked out. You are supposed to stay middle ^^
Out of bounds is fine here, you just have to have avy gear.
3rd one is important because that's when sleepy snowcat drivers are finishing up their grooming.
Is it true that a one-day peak season lift ticket at Vail is now $299? Yowzah --- no wonder so many skiers & riders these days act like they're so entitled. They're obviously wealthy.
in France we have resorts like "l'alpe du grand serre" with the season ticket for 300€...
I don't know how you come up with a different topic every single day. It blows my mind. This is a great topic to discuss this time of year and especially with all the crash videos I've been seeing with the caption "who's fault was this" and FYI it's always the skiers fault. 😆 Just kidding
I like the catch me if you can reversible jacket technique sprinkled with common sense approach 😂
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In europe this is so much better with less of those rules
The code is the same in Europe.
@@streamtracker Not really because we don't have ski patrol. We only have them for emergancies and we only have slow sign and almost nobody really cares about them
its absolutely not @@streamtracker
duh but the us has freedom
@@sebastianjohannes5706 No because of ski patrol. We have freedom. If you go 100km/h or 30km/h you. No one will remove your ski ticket because of speed or jumps. As long as everyone is safe do what you want
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LMAO
I remember learning to snowboard at the resort I go to normally
They have a magic carpet for their bunny hill
But at the end of the bunny hill there is a "SLOW" sign RIGHT before the entrance to the magic carpet
I was thinking to myself
"If I had any less control over my board I would be taking that sign OUT"
Or even better
"I wonder how many times a day they have to pick up that sign?" 😂
Rule number one if the guy with the colored jacket isnt wearing skis dont stop if you want to keep your pass lmao
dont stop even if they are wearing skis! just cruise all the way to your car, get in and leave. there isnt a damn thing they can do. people that willingly hand their pass to a yellow jacket, probably wash their wife's boyfriends car on the weekends too.
Once my 7 year old son wiped out on skis on the left side of a run and I took my board off to get to him because I was panicked. I made a ledge in the snow to hold the board while I helped him. When I got him back together and knew he was ok I realized my board was gone and a snow patrol guy came up to me with my board. I was shaken and thankful and surprised my board had taken off. He gave me a 'ticket' and explained how dangerous a loose board was and all the ways it could really hurt someone, especially a child. I really had no idea that would ever happen. I'd never taken my board off. I was completely wrong to do it, or at least for not REALLY, REALLY checking to make sure my board was secure on the hill. He was really mad and not having it. He said if I did anything wrong again my pass would be pulled but this was a 'ticket', I guess an official warning and next time that would be it. I have no intention of taking my board off again, but I really was panicked when I thought my son was hurt and had to get over to him as fast as possible and he was uphill from me.
Years ago I was skiing in Tahoe on a small narrow run off the main run. A guy decided to stop behind a freaking tree. I came around that tree with no idea there was a dude just on the other side standing there. I took both of us out. He got sandwiched between the tree and me. We were both okay, but damn, don't be hanging out below jumps/ ridges and blind corners where people can't avoid you.
I've been skiing for 3 decades and I never knew the SLOW sign meant the entire run. I always thought it was the zone just past the sign which is usually the exits of lifts, the bottom and where trails merge.
In Europe, SLOW signs almost exclusively exist within 100m from the bottom of a lift (if at all), or perhaps sometimes when two large trails merge, but not somewhere in the middle of a trail just because it gets narrower or takes a dip. It's somehow odd that in the "land of the free" there are more restrictions than in supposedly overregulated Europe!
I witnessed guys jumping off ski lifts in New Zealand, which was pretty epic. The funny thing was, they were the lift operators they got their pass pulled.
Don't ever fart on the chairlift, especially loudly. Ninja farts are okay.
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If someone demands your pass, just keep going, its not like they know who you are. Remember still be respectful on the runs.
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Patrol so confused when I tell em Ive been riding all day without a pass 😂
I once got stopped for rippin down a slow zone and the mountain safety pulled that “speed of the slowest rider” rule out. I replied, “Well the half people on the run had crashed so the slowest rider wasn’t moving, how does that work?”. I think I broke his brain because he left me alone without saying another word lol
You should have told him that half the people there are going faster than the average skier.
A definite rule is not to go on freshly repaired slopes, because they need time to harden, otherwise there is a groove that becomes hard and can injure someone if they get stuck in the groove. And certainly not where there are snow groomers, because they sometimes have ropes that can kill you if you get stuck!!! 😨
in the apls there is no ski patrol or alcohol limit. you can do whatever you want on the slopes
Im from germany and we dont rly have that kind of rules in Germany, Czech, Switzerland or Austria…Just dont bring other people in harms way and ur fine. Do whatever u want, just dont be a dick on purpose, but ive never heard that anybody got their pass pulled xD so this is rly weird for me to learn about!
although not for lack of trying i've never gotten my pass pulled but i have since then learned to follow the rules. it is kind of a pain though you could still get hassled even when you are following all the rules. i've had ski patrol bother me for going too fast down an empty black diamond or karen's complain when no actual rules were broken. i have been trying to avoid it as much as possible. for instance always slowing down in slow zones and i usually go twice the distance (30 feet vs 15 feet) away from people especially when bombing down and also going down tracks that are empty or less populated or simply waiting for a path to open up. some people just dont like it when people ski fast in general.
When crowded i just ski past everyone on the very edge or slightly in the woods when i can. Also i don't mind slowing down at the choke points and then scrambling off in a wildly opposite direction of traffic
It's really simple, the person downhill of you has the right of way. Don't like it? Tough shit.
I’d love to try out a US resort one day. I’d even be fine with the rules. It’s the lack of mountain huts & apres spots that I’d miss
Not a rule but should be: Stop dropping Bud Lite cans from the lift.
“No Jumping,” it’s funny how that last one jumped and you had a small laugh while you were talking.
You used to be so cool. Now you're making videos for the man. Anarchy anarchy!!!
Hahaha 😂
I just got back from snowshoe mountain and it is one of the best ski resorts up north! it was my first time going there but it was my third time skiing. the trails, the fresh snow, and the employs where amazing. I cant wait to go back to snowshoe. 10/10 mountain.
I find it really strange that you can lose your pass in the USA, that doesn't happen in Austria and Switzerland and we don't have ski patrols
Ski patrol is useful because they blow up avalanche prone terrain and rescue people. A strava heat map will tell you that they allow more people to ski off of (edit: meaning not on) groomed runs than in the Alps.
The yellow jackets are not ski patrol. They're "mountain safety".
Some of these are common sense, others are actually spoken. If you're jumping, you're not able to stop or avoid people, which violates the first rule of the mountain (I've seen resorts post these rules in multiple places). They put the no jumping signs up where there's the most risk of poorly planned and controlled jumps, but jumping can be very hazardous to other riders and skiers. Unexpected things happen. People crash at your planned landing point, people change their turn radius, people's bindings release, etc. The jumper is almost always at fault for a crash from a jump because it's not possible to control speed or direction in the air. Someone else intentionally wrecking the jump is about the only time it's not the jumper's fault (but good luck proving it was intentional). Someone sitting where they can't be seen may be at fault for a very short jump, because you probably would have hit them without jumping anyway. The 6th rule is to stay off closed trails, so also spoken... there's also a sign... so... that one is spoken multiple times. It sucks when you're caught after someone else has ripped down that tape though
Not really a rule, but a huge thing to remember: most of the people at the resort are only there a few days a year at max and have no clue what they are doing. It may be their first and only time skiing. Even if someone comes once a year for the last decade, they still have less experience than someone in their first season that goes twice a week.
Totally!
If they are running snow cannons, if there are pipes and your ski cuts it up it can kill you from the water pressure
I grew up in Vermont, but I've never heard any of these rules. Closed run rule aside.
“Come on man I’m just trying to have some fun” lol 😂
what if you accidentally spray, like you were not looking and had to immediately stop because the sign was right in front of you
I'm not sure about the idea that if you come out of a tree area that's open you're supposed to magically know if you're coming onto a run that was closed at the top or not. Depending on the layout you might not have ever passed the top of the run before getting into the trees. In my experience they'd either close all the adjacent trees too, or they'd have a rope line running down the whole side of the run along the tree line.
Keystone doesn’t always do that and that is where I filmed this. Every resort is different 🤘🏼
I’m a little to early for this one
I have a few dings on the top of my board because of needing to stop fast do to some water battle on the run/falling rider ahead/etc. keep a distance people or you will be doing a 360 on the air.
Twenty years working at ski resorts. I hate the term "Terrain Park," the entire ski area is, by definition, a terrain park.
The unwritten rules are: We live here, this is our home. Act like a guest, and you will be treated like one. Act like an entitled asshole, and you will pay.
Just because you can afford a vacation cabin in town, and you come five times a year DOES NOT make you a local.
Money cannot buy respect on the ski hill. Being cool will.
Weed is worth more than money, and you will always get a better exchange rate.
Snowplow on my lift loading ramp in the spring, and I WILL slam that chair into your calves.
You should have been here Tuesday.
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And the number one, immutable rule of life in any ski town: "She is not YOUR girlfriend; it's just your turn."
No jumping signs just show you the best jumps
I remember when the slow signs were about 2 feet off the ground, and we used to ski underneath of them by laying down backwards on our skis of course, that was about 30 years ago
I've seen so many people jump that "no jumping" spot at keystone. Gee golly wiz, I may or may have not jumped that very spot myself.
The most important rule is that if you're coming from higher up and pass another below you, you should yield the one who is below you when passing him/her. I was once in such a situation where a ski instructor broke this rule and his skis hit my board while I was getting ready to proceed the appropriate hill down. That was not correct thing for the instructor to do, he should have yielded...
thank you for the helpful videos. I hope I can use these tips one day when I get a snowboard.
JOHNATHAN THE GOGGLES CAME IN!!! THEY FIT SO NICELY AND ARE SO SICK
On the East we mob hills.. Have yet to see ski patrol hound anyone or take passes… This must be a vail thing😂
what if you have a season pass? they take your season pass for a small mistake ?
and what if you say you dont have a pass? maybe your friend let you in with his pass, without passing it to you. or if you dont want to give your pass away?
The slow sign is actually just saying to slow down before the hill because you cannot see over the edge
don’t hit the lips for jibs if you aren’t going to land on the rail/tube/box. it messes up the lip and puts you jumping into an area that isn’t a “landing” which is dangerous for everyone…honestly resorts should require you learn park etiquette before allowing you in the park
How many times are you going to use that clip? Jeeeeeeesuuuuuusss
Curios about the legal grounds for pulling a pass if they see you on a closed run. It cant be trespassing since majority of resorts are on public land and are just charging you for there amenities i.e.; lifts and ski patrol, right?
The mountains have a special permit that allows them to and the lifts are owned by the Resort not the Forest Service so the lifts are private property
is it normal for snowboard bindings to strectch over my boots because my ride c-2 bindings are stretching over my boots
Extra chair edicate: Please be polite, say hello on the lift to the old 2 plankers, Communicate as you pull the safety bar down so you don't wack someone on the head, Wait till the safety bar comes down before you start adjusting your boots.
Some of the worst offenders are resort employees skiing or riding on their day off. I've mentioned this to the patrol a few times, usually just get shoulder shrug(s) and/or eye rolls.🙄🙄🙄
We are family. You are a tourist.
@@tahoemike5828so ur exempt from safety rules because of that??? I think not.
@@Max-prime1212 Trust me, you pose more of a threat to me, than I to you.
@@tahoemike5828 I would have to disagree. I taught at aspen for 10 years and I've seen plenty of really talented skiers get into bad accidents because some beginner/intermediate skier does a unexpected turn and the guy bombing doesn't have time to stop/turn. There's no doubt that the guy going fast is in complete control and is actively looking at other skiers but all it takes is one unexpected rider to cause a serious injury. Bombing on most runs is fine but the main run that the Jerry's ski down is extremely dangerous to bomb at high speed and there's really just no point.
My brother got his pass pulled for jumping from the lift once
There's this one run that has a slow sign right at the end of the slope where it turns towards the lifts. But there's a good 300ft of flat terrain then a bit of a slide up. I always book it ignoring the slow sign otherwise i'd end up walking the entire way. Not sure what the slow sign is for aside from telling people to be careful about the turn.
Do you have any videos for people wanting to ride trees and go into backcountry and heavy powder for the first time? One thing that turns me off from wanting to try it is the horror stories with tree wells and all that because I know that they have skiiable terrain that says no ski patrol is over that way type of areas. Im not even close to there but it would help me undertstand what I need to do to become a better rider than handle it with confidence. Also, love the videos dude. Glad the season is back. This will be my third season :)
Not really that much to consider. Just never go alone and always keep together. Also just have common sense
Don't ski the trees, ski the spaces. Don't look at the trees or you will hit one. Look at the spaces, and you will see space. When you drive you look at the center of your lane, not the oncoming traffic; for the same reason.
Be life and death honest with yourself about your abilities, and do not go faster than you can really control. Wear a helmet, and go with somebody especially if you are new to the area.
Ignore heavy "powder," wait for the light stuff. And, be there on Tuesday.
vail is ruining skiing in the states
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blows my mind that private entities can even own a mountain, those things belong to the public.
Crazy
Blows my mind you would think that.
Dunno how ownership works for the mountain, but they can very well own and/or control access to the lifts!
technically they don't own the mountain--they lease it. They do own all their equipment though (lifts, restaurants, etc).
I ski the East on weekdays. We don't have these issues
Unspoken?... Bro, you are literally pointing out the signs! Hahaha! Fun vid.
Is the battery in the gloves rechargeable or do you have to buy new batteries each time you wear them.
Just like those people did I too would jump into the " No Jumping " zone so they at least could not say I was jumping inside of the no jumping zone
Several years ago I used some off color language in the Summit Express lift line and was told that I could have my pass pulled for it. I don't know if it was true but it sure changed my opinion about Keystone.
I remember skiing when i grew up and a lift ticket was $25. Now they want 10X that.
Right!
What if you accidentally knock it down(you fell and cant stop)
Thank god i live in Germany ❤
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I remember one time I was trying to continue onto the blue(?) trail and I couldn't make it and the mountain started pulling me down a black diamond and I went down a little bit and then got exasperated because I DID NOT CHOOSE to go down that black diamond, the mountain FORCED ME -_- so I sat down and then a few people showed up at the top and were looking at me and I was like "they can go around me, there's plenty of room." But they weren't moving so I got up, and then later as I was going to the lift line, someone told me it's a good idea not to go on the black diamonds that day because the snow was something something and it's easy to get stuck. And I was like "uh yeah..." I'm pretty sure someone complained to them. Which annoys me so much because I DIDN'T CHOOSE TO GO DOWN THAT TRAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm looking at getting into snowboarding, and getting your pass pulled for breaking unspoken rules is a crazy concept to me. I'm not new to ski resorts as I go there to downhill bike during the offseason. Even for breaking spoken rules, we usually just get let off with a warning. I've never seen anybody get their pass pulled, because you'd have to do something seriously F'd up to have that happen
Rule 1: Don't be a dick.
Rule 2: Don't suck.
The "unspoken rules" are really just don't endanger other guests. The most egregious is dropping blind side hits on the one open and very busy green run. That run is for beginners, they will be in the landing, you will hit them. Go to the park they built for you to do anything you want in. You are not entitled to use the trail in an obviously dangerous way for the other guests. If you look safe and in control and don't blow up at ski patrol, you'll only get a warning, every time.
go forth and slay dude!
the us ski resorts are waaaay more strict than the alps !
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Only sign you see at Big Sky is the slow zone where the ski school is. You guys in CO got it rough.
Dude this is not unspoken ... It is called YOUR RESONSIBLITY CODE and is has the weight of the law behind it.
Always stay in control. You must be able to stop or avoid people or objects.
People ahead or downhill of you have the right-of-way. You must avoid them.
Stop only where you are visible from above and do not restrict traffic.
Look uphill and avoid others before starting downhill or entering a trail.
You must prevent runaway equipment.
Read and obey all signs, warnings, and hazard markings.
Keep off closed trails and out of closed areas.
You must know how and be able to load, ride and unload lifts safely. If you need assistance, ask the lift attendant.
Do not use lifts or terrain when impaired by alcohol or drugs.
If you are involved in a collision or incident, share your contact information with each other and a ski area employee.
If this is new news to you and you have skied more than once you KNOW THIS. If you only skied once and never skied again it was because some else broke these rules scaring the fuck out of you so badly you are traumatized about the sport. it used to be just boorish gapers creating the danger... now those gapers overrepresent snowboarding as the properly reviled idiots who never follow any of these rules.
Know the code lol 😂
Dude i don't know what rules there are on American hills but I've talked to patrollers about the "never cross a rope but ride everywhere" and none of them have ever threatened to pull my pass. They have actually given me good advice and access to lots of slackcountry and other sweet terain. You should ride in Canada it sounds and looks a lot more unstructured and free.
Bro I have broken every single rule on this list multiple times especially the slow and no jumping signs and I’ve never been pulled over ever
Just put up a sign at the top that says "no fun allowed"
I'm afraid there would abusive patrols that would pull the passes for minor things
Welcome to keystone I know schoolmare anywhere 🤣😭
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im confused, does the resort own the slopes and the trails? also some off these rules are insane, why take the fun out of it, yes i know safety concerns but still its common sense to look out for each other and no need to make a rule out of it.
Lawsuits! They don't want lawsuits!
@@RiverWoods111 thats is such an american answer i love it
Land of the free. 😀
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In 14 years of being on the mountain I've only ever had one crash with a person and it was totally the other persons fault.
Mine was because it was raining, and when I fell on my back, my cheap ass on poncho became a sled and I took some lady out from behind. Good thing I was ~6 years old.
Mine was in an early season run, there is a super icy part and I turned by failed to see people behind me. Luckily I stop right before she passed me
Unspoken rule, most resorts are on government land and getting your pass pulled just means you can’t use the lifts and your day doesn’t have to end there
Stop if you hit someone. My daughter got clipped on a mellow blue on a busy Saturday in Tahoe, she didn't get hurt but the dude kept on going. I've been snowboarding for over 25 years and I could tell this dude was a newer rider because he couldn't carry his speed to the lift and was skating the rest of the ~50 yards. I confronted him and got his pass pulled due to the fact he did not stop to apologize or make sure she was okay. I'd also add to go as fast as you are able to control yourself, anyone can straight line a hill but can you stop or turn at those speeds are another question.
I like the “ speed limit is the flow of traffic” .
in laax the park run turns into about 500m of straight steep run that everyone bombs. So I guess that means that because majority of people go fast then that is the speed limit
Can't disagree... these probably *should* be driven fast. On a steep slope, one would become a roadblock. And also on beginner ones; since they are not that steep to begin with, one might have to push themselves forward with the sticks at times^^