Want to clear the air. This video is in no way sponsored by Dopesnow. While the company brought me to their HQ to meet the team after a shoot in France, this video was my initiative and something I wanted to create. After riding for Dope this season I grew to love the brand, the product, and the people behind the company. I wanted to make a video that addressed the unmerited hate the company gets and show off the facts behind the brand. This is the result, love you all ❤
Hey, I understand the confusion, and I'm glad you put this comment here, I think a lot of people were just upset because this information wasn't in the video. Taking a flight from the company is fine, but it does still make it a sponsored video which is what people wanted disclosed
I personally don't really care one way or another, but FTC guidelines do require transparency about having a relationship with a brand, even if they didn't ask you to endorse their product when you speak about it. Doesn't bother me personally, but figured I'd point it out in case you hadn't looked into it (I'm sure you have, but maybe this'll save a few comments from others haha). Don't want you to end up with a bad rep for an honest misunderstanding or mistake. Keep doing good work, bud!
I can’t stand behind a company that has partnered with you for so long and not put a rubber ducky on a coat. This kind of corporate shrill cannot be stood for
Hate is a strong word but this is just cheap kook advertising. The most notable things dope snow have to show off are a 4 way stretch fabric that’s too thin to be a t-shirt, some DWR coated fabric that beads water for 12 hours before becoming a sponge, and a program to turn returned junk products into someone else’s regretful purchase.
@@arbitraryalias9825 there are arguments to be made that not everyone needs gear that lasts 10 years and doesnt even need to be repaired or rewaxed/refilled with goretex or what have you the first two seasons. some people want to buy cool looking clothes that keep you warm enough for long enough to go skiing 4-5 times a year. and naturally purchasing top of the line gear is out of any sane persons budget.... for said use. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Knowing how much you can do yourself to waterproof (with waxes or coatings) you can make said product last longer, or choose to be upset that some of the cheapest gear you can find, doesnt last as long as the expensive products. yes there is an argument for making only good quality equipment, that lasts, to save the planet, but you're not making that argument. you're just bashing a company making affordable clothing.
Ive been skiing and riding since i was a 7 y.o - over 30 years. Ive orn alot of different brands. I have alot of snow gear and i recently bought some dope snow overalls. I rode in them for a few days straight and i was happy with them. No complaints at all. For contrast- Ive bought burton pants and had them rip in the crotch after 2 days. Same with Northface. Same with a columbia jacket- seam blew and pocket ripped. Dope is fine. Nothing wrong w it. Im convinced people are hating on dopesnow to be edgy. Who cares what you wear- just ride. People should care less about fashion and more about following the code and mountain etiquette.
been riding since 1990 and sick of all the hoopla of brands . I loved the fit and basic'ness of dope and bought their rejuvenated stuff for very cheap and I am stoked. my pants are warm and great and I didn't spend alot like an idiot. when it falls apart and it hasn't I'll buy more. whoop
The Dopesnow hatred within the community has corporate espionage written all over it. Some executives in the big companies probably paying for all the smear propaganda online. 🤷♂️
Whoever's idea at Dope it was to sponsor Nick should get a massive raise. So many people are gonna appreciate this video and spend money on dope/montec.
I’ve been using the same dope snow jacket each ski day for 2 seasons- never any issue and always keeps me warm. Their customer service is great, the first jacket they shipped to me was stole from my front door and they replaced it themselves even though it was no fault of theirs. That sort of thing will keep me around for a long time 🤙🏼
I got supported by Montec this season alongside my team for doing a 6 week road trip around Japan. Not only were we stoked by the quality of the gear but they kept contact during the trip just always asking us how’s it all going. Was super stoked to be supported by such a company that had such an interest. Also over here in Japan they are getting super popular amongst the Japanese 🤙
Tbh a mid-quality option for casual skiers who do less than 10 days per season makes plenty of sense. They don't need to blow a bunch of cash on something they'll rarely use, but they still need a jacket for those 3 days they hit the slopes each winter.
@@NISHIAKIwow that’s the most real comment I’ve ever read on a ski thread. So true. Skiings such an expensive sport, the people who actually just like to slide a round 3-5 days a year have been left out of everything. They want some threads that look good, and don’t care too much about the techy parts. Make it pretty warm and dry and 80% of people would be happy. 🤙🤜👌
@@Odhege8262 yeah plenty of folks wanna call out something for not being perfect, but I'd imagine a lot of the naysayers also still wear a cotton hoodie when doing park laps lol. There's a place for it all. People should be skeptical and hold companies with influence accountable, but at least do it reasonably imo
@@NISHIAKI I have a dope jacket, and I skied the whole winter, at least 2 times per week. The quality is good, I don't get why people hate dope so much
I would say watch geniune testing of the products like angrysnowboarder has done. Dope snow is lower than average quality and overpriced for its quality (despite being cheap). Dope is not the only brand guilty of this. As a general rule of thumb the old established brands like 686 offer a much better value for money at the netry level. And dope doesnt come close to the top end at all, as they admit. I can understand that they struggle with material sourcing etc, but the stitching and layering is sub par. No hate towards DOPE im sure they're tring to improve, but they're not there yet.
Yea great point Cube! From my end, I have been able to test their lineup this entire season in conditions all around the globe. While I’m not able to compare to the likes of 686 (haven’t tried their gear), I was able to compare it to Orage, Descente and Karbon-the brands I’ve worn for the last 15 years. Descente and Karbon offered better quality and better performance in tough conditions, but they also cost 3x. When compared to Orage, I found Dope’s offerings to be the same if not better in terms of performance and quality. While there’s so many other brands that I haven’t tested, I’ve still skied my whole life and tried many different offerings along the way. From my experience, Dope drastically stands out from the competition as an amazing value proposition but this doesn’t mean they are the utmost very best option either.
@@steepsteep I'd love for them to keep giving back to snowboarding and skiing like they have the past year, its a big step forwards for them. I'd be interested to know if this video was entirely your idea or if Dope suggested it. The refurbished gear is another step in the right direction, and it would be really good if they provided gear repair since durability is one of their main struggles. Big respect to you though for thinking about this whole thing critically and putting in the effort to engage. This is why you really are one of the best creators out there atm 🙏
Lab testing in a controlled environment and practical testing are two completely different things. Side by side they reveal that, with responsible use, one doesn't need an indestructible but costly piece of clothing. 686 pricing is still about 30% higher than dope. They meet the market demands of cheap and stylish clothing that's just good enough to last
686, Volcom, Quiksilver, ThirtyTwo, Dakine, Oakley, etc. are all pretty cheap imo. Arc’teryx and Burton AK really the only high quality gore-tex snowboard jackets.
I worked as a ski lift operator in Tahoe this past season and I bought a dope jacket right before I went. And it was probably one of the best purchases I made in my life. The jacket was super comfortable, affordable and dependable. I wore it literally every day for 5 months riding every piece of terrain Tahoe has to offer and I have absolutely no complaints. People who hate on dope snow and montec are simply just haters and probably aren’t very good riders themselves.
What an asinine thing to say. Dope is mid-grade shit, doesn't support snowboarding like a true core brand, and I guarantee I'm a better rider than you. How's that for logic?
@@derpderpin1568 PFAS-free waterproof wear is unnecessary? I am buffled nobody is talking about this. Enthought Gore-Tex promised not to use PFAS in their membrane, they are still using it for coating. Check it out, it's a pretty nasty material I wanto avoid at all costs This is not the case with Dope.
I have one and it’s really pretty decent. Bought it used from their site so it was pretty cheap. Looked brand new. I have a few different jackets and this brand has a lot of features for the price. One minor issue is the hood is smallish and can be hard to pull over helmet. I have a Montec Fawkes. Live in Minnesota and ski a lot of sub zero temp days and it’s been great.
my only experience with montec is a friend bought a jacket cuz it was a decent value, and it lasted around 2-3 weeks and then it had minor issues like small tears, seams coming apart, zippers jamming, etc. This killed the water proofing as now the seams were letting in about everything. In all fairness, we ride off piste in rough conditions, but still sad to see it only lasted less than a month. for comparison, i run volcom and thirtytwo, both of which have been through hell and back and will probably last another 3-4 seasons. if you ride resort, aren't constantly finding yourself in trees, and don't ride 6 days a week during the season, im sure it will be fine. but given what happened to my buddies jacket, i wouldn't trust it to last a season on my back for 95% of riders out there, it will probably do the job just fine. EDIT: also just checked, for the same price you can get a hell of a lot better gear in a late season sale like on evo rn. 686, volcom, dc, burton, armada, etc. all for around the same price as dope. hell, even an arcteryx for like 80 bucks more
Earlier this year, I purchased the Montec Doom 2021 Arctic Camo/Black ski jacket and used it for 17 days this ski season for skiing in different conditions such as powder, park, and piste. I'm pleased to report that the jacket is still in excellent condition and provided sufficient warmth during colder days. However, the insulation makes it quite warm on sunny days. Overall, I highly recommend this jacket for its great quality and performance.
This is just a 15min sponsored TH-camr commercial. Nothing wrong with that - but its so transparent - TH-cam 101 - it’s all about the title, to hook you in, so smart for dope snow to for a sponsorship deal - to get a TH-cam commercial that would be farther reaching than them putting out their own commercial. Win - win for both parties.
about 3/4 years ago dope did a photoshoot in my local snowpark after hours where they had their models stand and pose on a box and do other still shots in the park. the "riders" couldn't snowboard anywhere near well enough to be sponsored for their talent. very non core branding move... but then the last few seasons they had been sponsoring multiple riders and a filmer even paying them for dedicated shooting days. that was a great step up from the insta models they used before that to promote their gear
On this (as someone who has worked for an outdoor brand organizing shoots), you have to differentiate product shoots (models wearing shit from next year to have photos for website and stores and catalogues etc) and sports marketing. Meaning that sometimes you choose models who can’t do the sport at a high level for your photos because they are good at standing in front of a camera m, are the right size for the samples you have etc… and then you have a team of athletes who represent your brand performance and values to the public. So even though they have good riders, they prob still do photo shoots in parks with models who don’t ride well. Different tools for different purposes :)
Man I thought I was the only one thinking this looking through the comments. Love this channel but I swear so many "influencers" become just mouth pieces for their sponsors without scrutiny. Nothing wrong with having sponsorships, but it's issue when one just becomes a shill for a brand.
i just hate the word dope, its cringy af. and on top of that almost everytime ive seen someone wear that gear they just seem like annoying and cringy people. thats why i dont like the company.
I admit I’m a beginner and I bought a Montec jacket during summer. I have been looking forward to winter when I can try snowboarding for the first time because my little sister wants someone to ride with her. Now after hearing that other skiers and snowboarders look down on people wearing Montec I am concerned that I may get made fun of… I don’t want to go snowboard anymore because I don’t have money to buy a new jacket that won’t attract too much negative attention
I am a beginner too. I ride with my dad's old 30$ jacket from lidl that's 2 sizes too big. I look like a penguin. I can tell you no one really cared how I looked like. In Fact barely anyone looks "fashionable" at all. People wear all kinds of random stuff. I did however see a lot of dope and montec advertisement on social media this year. Yesterday I went skiing again and I was surprised how many dope/montec and Decathlon jackets I saw. Anyways don't worry, no one will say anything. In fact you'll probably find more people complimenting a stylish jacket than hating on it.
Don’t listen to the people saying negative things. It’s an awesome sport and honestly I see a lot of people wearing montec out in places like Colorado, including people who were decent skiers. I’ve even had people who work at the resorts, on more than one occasion, ask me about my montec gear and say that’s what they wear when they aren’t working. Even if the perception was different in Europe, honestly, it wouldn’t matter. Like most things in life, you will get more enjoyment out of it if you just focus on what you were doing, and let anyone else think whatever they want. The reality is that 99% of people at the resorts are only focusing on what they are doing anyway and aren’t worried about your gear.
I bought the fawk outfit from montec last year, and I couldn't be happier with my choice. I quite like that montec and dopesnow differenciate between skiers and snowboarders outfits, and have so many different styles and colours you can choose from. Everything is so well thought through, the jacket is light and soo flexible (I do ski racing, so it's quite important), and it has everything you need whilst simply looking nice. The quality is very good too. The only problem I had was that my ski jacket's front zipper broke the first day, but montec sent me another jacket for free, as it must have been a construction mistake. The new one has been working fine ever since. All in all, 10/10 recommendation for everyone.
I think for those of us who've been riding for a while we recognize there's more on the line than just that quality (since they all do a great job to a degree). The brand, who they sponsor, their involvement in the industry, video parts etc all plays a role in how we support these companies. To me Dope snow has only ever been flashy instagram ads targeting the mainstream audience. To each their own but I don't get the sense (and seems I'm not the only one) that they're part of the fabric of snowboarding and I doubt you'll ever see any riders you look up to wearing it because of that. Doesn't mean the jacket won't keep you warm but there are way too many other companies properly integrated into the sport to support.
Yeah, I agree. I recently bought dope snow so I’m kinda committed this season to wearing it, however I would much rather prefer a company that gives back to the sport, in ways other than more advertisement 😂 what’s your go to company so I can keep it on my radar for the next time I need to buy one?
I just worked a ski season using only one set of montec ski pants, they were the dream. I would say I will buy another set but the ones I have are in perfect condition even after skiing 6 days a week for a full season!
I own a pair of their bib pants and this year bought myself a fleece, both are fantastic, the fleece especially is comfy AF. The bib pants were a little bit of an issue as using them for both Skiing and Snowboarding I found it very difficult at times to bend down to put on/adjust bindings. I messaged them with this feedback saying maybe the sides should have a flexible mesh instead of a rigged zip and they got back to me within days thanking me for the information and that they'd pass it on to their design department. To me, that's great customer service.
I appreciaiate the point of cheap, more accessible outerwear for an average holiday maker, however the lack of support for the core community by selling direct to the customer, removes funding and jobs for local ski shops which are arguably the most import feature of the industry. They have staff who are passionate and can guide you to the right product for your needs which in some cases might be a dope snow jacket, and for others who require better quality products for big expeditions the shops can guide you to more higher end equipement like arcteryx or Patagonia. Ski shops also put on events and sposnor riders and promote ski films which are all integral parts of the core ski communtiy and ridestore have removed themselves from that which could be argued to benefit the consumer but only from a monitary point and also it means dopesnow get lots of attention which brings them more financial gain. Its much deeper than “quality and pro riders.” There bad rep comes from the way they've chosen to enter the market which has attracted a large consumer base that doesent care for or support the core community. That doesn’t mean everyone who rides the gear is like that in the same way not everyone in an arcteryx coat shreds, and supports the comminty. It goes both ways but the vast majority of people attracted to dopesnow are more interested in mellow ride days followed by drinks in the lodge than serious progression and just shredding which is okay, but again that doesnt represent the core community and that is where I think the “controversy” comes from. If you just look at there marketing campaigns you see photos of people doing some mellow turns down resort groomers and cute portraits of attractive people vs a company like arcteryx where there website shows the highest end athletes using the gear in some of the harshest conditions. Furthermore those other companies offer customers who visit there sites, blogs and films and community events whereas dopesnow is only focused on selling products. Sorry for this rant it lasted a lot longer than expected. Big appreciation for you steep and everything youve done to get to where you are but I dont think its fair to make a 15 minute video defending the company and alagations, when youre now getting free gear, and potentially financial incentive and then just ignore the actual heart of the problem because as much as people go on about the quality, price etc that doesnt differentiate them from other cheap brands and where the “hate” comes from. Lots of love brotha I hope you don’t take this as any personal disresepct I just wanted to get my point across
To counter this, how about the support thru give to remote workers? Their recruitment system allows people to work for them from the mountains, and live the lifestyle they love. This passion is then passed onto the customer when they speak to the staff. Try working for them for a season and see how fast you change your opinion
@@shushevents5765 except that's false in every sense when a company keeps blowing their money more on marketing to make a inferior product to better companies. Their products claim to be cheaper option, but are still more expensive than the same equivalent by the actual core companies. Every core shop and core company is always close to ski hills. Hell, burton essentially owns a small hill at their Vermont factory. One of the parts some people work at core shops is because the shops usually have a staff pass for a local hill. Lol
My dope jacket was used for a week of nonstop riding this year and hasn’t even had one mark on it + it keeps you warm but not too warm on the slopes with a steezy look
@Kit Police You're opinion of the style, the brand, and the people who wear it is not what steepsteep was addressing in the video. It's about claims that the clothing cannot hold up, made by bitter people who hold a negative opinion about dope and will never actually try their clothes
that mouse is actually the most comfortable for the arm and wrist. it is the natural hand position but getting qcclimated to it is hard and it is not for gaming at all
Personally, my ONE dope snow jacket i invested in has kept me completely dry while my friends other super expensive brand has her moist on the mountains..
It’s weird for me to see people argue about the quality of Dope while I know damm well that I’ll be wearing Wedze this season - oh except for my gloves that I actually ordered from Shein :D I would be more than happy if I had a Dope/Montec set right now, but again it’s my first season so I just went with what was the cheapest.
I bought a DOPE snow jacket early on. When I was looking for a new jacket and only found expensive, ugly trash, I started getting ads for DOPE snow. I had never heard of them but immediately liked their designs and prices. Their jackets had features the current big companies only offer in some of their jackets. Why make a "snow board/ski" jacket and not include all of the features? And then have the gall to charge an arm or a leg. So I took the risk with this "unheard" of company (by me anyway) and I love my jacket a ton! It's been sad seeing all the social media comments always say shit like "only jerry's wear dope snow". It doesn't make sense, people hating on a company changing the market for the better.
Thats not the Point, the point is that Dope isnt Bad. Most people wont care if it costs 30$ more then other Brands. Let People wear what they like@@derpderpin1568
@@gio.006get over your non-Jerry superiority complex! We all know Jerry’s have the most fun on the mountain. That’s what it’s about anyway, and no I don’t own any dope/montec.
The problem I have with Dope/Montec is the pricing, it's marketed as 'affordable' when in reality it costs the same as any established brand's mid to low level gear (which is almost always much better quality). And also that employee saying they couldn't source gore-tex because it would be too expensive.. What a load of crap, reason they're not using quality fabrics is so they can maximise profits and keep manufacturing costs down.
Im a telemark skier and I wear a Volcom Gortex shell and snowpants. Cost me a pretty penny but its warm and dry. Id never waste money on low quality Target-style fashion crap. But Im from Colorado so I ski like 30 days a season. My Dad was a two-time Olympic ski jumper and he taught me one thing, that any clothes I buy should be warm and waterproof. Gortex is both so I pay for it. Having said that, if anyone paid me to ski Id wear a dang furry outfit if thats what they wanted me to.
A lot of skiers and snowboarders are an old and sensitive bunch. They don't trust anything new. Years back I bought dope and montec pants, and some of my friends were really skeptical about the brands. But they're still going and get me dry and warm on the slopes. Only complaint I've had is that they are really short. (I'm 1.83m)
Snowboarders are literally the opposite 😂 Forward thinking open minded people who love life You just can't handle that this is obviously a payed ad.. If you can't see that your blind🙃
Idk if its my personal style, but love how they support you and the channel. For the price their jackets seem like decent quality so can't hate on anyone buying it. The one thing im curious about is how good their goggles really are. They seem to know their stuff in terms of fabrics... but optics are a whole other thing in themself. Like hypothetically would you buy goggles from North Face or Arc'teryx if they made them? I know Oakley makes jackets along with their eyewear but I feel like its generally weird if other companies were to make both
My whole ski kit (pants and jacket) got eaten through by mice in storage. I have been looking at new gear that won’t break my wallet of a fresh college grad. This video convinced me and I’ll be rocking Montec this season!
I bought a pair of Dopesnow pants. Great quality without the huge price tag. Their customer service was awesome. They actually reached out to me about a month after my purchase to see if I was satisfied.
@@steepsteep @steepsteep m8, not hating on the vid or brand, just confused why you didn't follow the TH-cam guidelines and disclose you are sponsored by this company. It's just a little misleading to people who don't know that from other videos of your's.
I've been loving the past few videos! This narration/backstory into shredding style of vlog is insanely captivated, super fun to watch and clearly shows how much time and effort is put into each of the videos. Loving the content, keep it up steep!
Dude, i love your videos. Especially all the rubber ducky lord loving methaphors, such good energy. You got the best original commentary. This was different.... might be the longest commercial i ever watched
Appreciate you man! But this wasn’t an ad. After riding for Dope this season I grew to absolutely the love the brand, the product, and the people behind it all. Given the mass amount of unmerited hate the brand gets, I wanted to make this video to show off the facts. Something I’m passionate about! Much love man
@@steepsteep Yeah I get that, I dont wanna hate on it, but it felt strange.. idk. Just some feedback. Happy for you that they give you these opportunities and thank you so much for making all these videos! Also so cool to see you hit the big jump at nines!
Hey dude, I want to say something about my first comment, because I feel bad about it every time I watch your videos. I am sorry for judging you, especially about how to end your videos and that I missed the rubber ducky stuff. As if I was telling you how I want you to end your videos and that that would limit/force your creativity with the videos. I don't know if it had this effect on you, but if so, I am sorry and I hope you just make videos the way you want and forget what I said. I really appreciate and enjoy the videos that you make.
The brand is so overhated, because every average skier and snowboarder wears it. It's affordable and good quality. Maybe not as steezy as other brands but not bad.
the problem is that they dont sell in local ski shops to support them nothing more nothing less. id support them if they helped out the small businesses by having their lineup in store.
You can get better at local shops for cheaper, it's been proven. They just blow their money on marketing and not on quality gear. I hate the guy, but angry snowboarder actually proven how shitty this company actually is. Look up the pant teardown.
I would honestly say don't listen to people who say this is just 'Instagram snow gear'. I've got the Blizzard jacket and Notorious B.I.B pants and they're great. Dope really straddles that price gap between cheap / no-brand gear and stuff like Arc'teryx, while still being really good quality and wearing / moving really well. Not hating on Arc'teryx in particular as I have one of their jackets too but don't listen to the anti-hype on Dope. Maybe if you go backcountry for 176 hours straight and stay alive by eating the carcasses of dead bears you may need something more but that isn't most of us.
I mean, is nobody complaining about how much Burton is charging for their gear? I’ve ripped Burton, O’Neil, and Ripzone gear. I’ve worn Mountain Warehouse ski pants until they are no longer waterproof. Montec gear has held up for me for the last two seasons, and that’s with buying refurbished items. I would encourage you to buy a size up to allow you to layer your gear. But now I ride with a group of 5 people that all have dope/montec stuff. No rips and no complaints (other than price, but that’s life).
No. Because everyone knows that Burton is the most expensive snowboard specific gear out there. But the quality is there to match. Unlike Dope/Montec. But you get what you pay for, so it's priced to match.
I purchased a Dope bib and jacket after a 4 year break after a knee surgery. Just got done with a three day trip with them in CO and absolutely love their gear. Comfortable, dependable, and aesthetically pleasing.
there is almost nothing worse then gear shaming its dumb because if every one just ware the "name brand" gear we would all look the same wear what you like and can afford and just get out there.
what people forget is that a lot of recent brands that are now established have more or less started this way. Armada for instance started similarly to this. online only. few things being sold at the beginning. but look at them now. competing with top brands for all mountain skis, great outerwear as well. people need to just chill out on the "sheep" mentality and follow others while not experiencing the product. my wife just got a montec jacket and loves it.
@@LuuuugnMy bad. I just check their website. They do change their price line and definitely have lowered the price. I bought their pants and jacket for around $800 in total two years ago.
@@Luuuugn That factory does make great clothes I mean. Oakley is also made in Ningbo, China, just not in the same factory. But Dopesnow is way better and cheaper than Oakley according to the price now.
@@nashnash272 Ah alright :D yeah, ive got a pair of snowboardpants from dope. Its from like their first collection. Still feels new after a few years with alot of riding
Honestly I was a hater and seeing this video changed my perspective 100%. I work in marketing at a ski resort so just seeing these cool ppl who are passionate about this stuff just like my team at the resort is just heartwarming. Gor Tex ain’t all it’s hyped up to be
I'm glad to hear about your experience with Dopesnow and Montec and haveing this discussion. I'm still relatively new to snowboarding, but I was skeptical about what other riders were saying and posting online. I liked the way their gear looks, but at the time it wasn't a well known brand (at least not to a new rider who mostly knows bigger brands like Burton). I've heard mixed comments, but it seemed appealing to me because their gear is cheap and looks good to me, I figured there had to be a catch. Ultimately I got some Burton gear for a decent price from my local ski shop; I'll definitely buy a jacket or pants from Dopesnow in the future if my current gear rips or I have enough money to buy spare/new gear.
The worst thing about Dopesnow is their name. Maybe it would be alright if it wasnt plastered all over their gear. Also this shameless clickbait title and "this video isnt sponsored but I am sponsored" pinned comment.
100% agreed. The brand name dope snow is just heinous. The name oozes low budget noob wannabe wear, even if it is quality. And to add insult to injury they plaster it all over their garments. Their is no doubt in my mind they'd sell far more gear if not for this. They certainly went a better direction with their Montec gear. But I'm still not a big fan of them putting MONTEC across the shoulders of the fawk jackets, but its not a deal breaker.
Siroko is a new brand on the up. Thinking nobody would pay 300 plus euros for a jacket I bought into Dope. It's literally one in three riders on the hill. I do full seasons so see loads.
when the first came out the BIG branding is what turned me off...im happy to see they are being more subtle with it now...maybe one day ill find a garment sublet enough for me to purchase.
The prices of the jackets are pretty appealing I guess but the pants prices are ridiculous for the lack of quality. For the price you could just get any good quality pant from Capeesh, harlaut, arsenic or vulgus.
Just stumbled across your videos, and as a previous skier who’s currently trying to get back into it after a 4 year hiatus without breaking the bank, I can’t tell you how thankful I am that you made this video. I’m sure I would’ve bumped into dope snow eventually, but it probably would’ve been after blowing well over $1k on over priced outer wear with countless features that right now I frankly just don’t need. You’ve not just saved me money, but got me back on the slopes sooner!
My issue with dope and montec is A. They aren't really any more affordable than many other core snowboard products. 32 comes to mind, dope snow and montecs cheapest stuff is still about the same price as new 32 or 686 gear. I see people bring the outliers like Burton or Helly Hanson into it alot, when those are just 2 of the most expensive examples they can pick from. And B. 32, 686, candy grind, literally any other brand puts the money they make into other things like team riders, they produce well put together team videos for entertainment, and even pop out to some mountains for jams, and just to ride with people. I have yet to see any of the money going into dope and montec to be used for anything other than annoying ass social media ads and the very few riders they DO have.
bought montec bid this season for 12 days and it was excellent. Really good waterproofing and freedom of movement and insulation. I spend a lot of time in my mountain equipment pants for work and honestly if they made an alpine bib I'd use it in a heart beat. Sizing was great too.
I only have 7-14 days off riding a year so I don’t wanted to go all out on money, I’m wearing my dope jacket since 4 Years and the only downsides is have is that I chose the wrong color (kinda sick of it) and I see to much people looking just like me 😂
Great video. It's really interesting to read the comments and it looks to me like most of the negativity is coming from the US? I'll be clear straight away...I worked for Ridestore the season just gone, for customer support in Europe. I can honestly say that I have never worked for a company that's so customer and employee focussed. I've worked for some huge multi-nationals in customer service and I've never been given the freedom to do whatever was needed to make the customer happy that Ridestore gave me. From a personal point of view, I wouldn't hesitate in recommending their clothing to friends. The jackets and pants (especially the Montec range) are as good as any I've worn. I ride 30 plus days each season, so my gear gets used, and I've had no complaints at all. Do they have work still to do on some of their lines, yes, but they constantly listen to their customers and want to improve each season. Maybe things are different in the US, but the team here in Europe are some of the nicest people I have ever met, and I feel lucky to have been a part of the company, even if only for 5 months
@@shushevents5765 we = real snowboarders what = the brand Dope I regularly ride in snowparks around Europe and I have never ever seen a signle good rider wearing Dope stuff, apart from people who are sponsored of course
"5 days and it breaks" bro what ive been riding two seasons with the same dope gear, good as new. I saw those memes on tiktok and was genuinely confused why people hate on it
I wear a Montec kit to work on the slopes. Not necessarily a fan boy for the brand but I have worn the same kit for 200+ days and it is still going strong. Needs a wash though ;-)
I wrote two comments, explaining the problem with dope snow and both got deleted!? Why!? I didn’t use any offensive language and I think I stated out some really good points, regarding this topic! So criticizing is‘t allowed here???
Skiing/Snowboarding is a rich mans game. Funny how the second someone makes a brand that everyone can afford, a buch of people who had their passes paid for by their parents start bullying you for wearing it.
I bought pants with suspenders, and a jacket I think it was called the dune, it was like 440 bucks for everything, and it was a phenomenal decision, I’m an easy coast skiier who doesn’t have the money to venture out west. I was able to ski about 60 times this year and the Montec gear held up phenomenally in all conditions, freezing rain to deep powder, I was surprised at how much freedom movement I had in my lower body, the pants were a bit of a tight fit and I was worried, but I was able to move freely and the pants give me a small amount of tension on my legs which is fucking awesome. The only thing I’ll say is if it’s below 0, consider wearing a sweatshirt, I run hot so I was perfect comfortably but my girlfriend needed to put a sweatshirt on under on really cold days… not to mention we both feel great wearing it, look good feel good, feel good ski good, ski good live good, live good die good :).
as an owner of a montec fawk 3L shell i can happily say its as waterproof as it needs to be in the snow, although it doesnt hold up as well in the rain as I've ended up with a moist mid layer before, but in the end its a solid shell priced well below others (at the price I got it on sell though, debatable at retail but the base price jackets are definitely well priced)
Just buy a Decathlon Jacket. Have the FR500 one and it is just awesome: light, warm and snowproof. Dope and Montec do aggressive advertising, but I think the real value for money you get at Decathlon.
As someone who’s been riding / snowboarding since the mid 90s, I’ve never given a rats arse about the nuances of clothing… it makes f*ck all difference. In the snow waterproofing is irrelevant unless it’s raining. So good luck to these Dope dudes is all I can say
I saw dope snow all over the mountains last year and decided to get a jacket and absolutely loved it, i have 3 now and a pair of snow pants and ill tell you its high quality stuff, me and my 4 buddies all have dope or montec and love it
it’s not really about the gear or the people making it but about the people who typically wear it, i think the gear is great and affordable and perfect for newer riders and even experienced , but the people who wear it usually are the ones falling off the lift after buying a whole new dripped out purple set of dope snow
All these fanboys mocking Dope clothing yet most of these kids can't even hit a backflip off a mogul let alone follow us through the backcountry diving steep chutes and sending it off of cliffs. Been riding for over 25+ years and it's never mattered what clothing you wear, but how you treat your fellow shredder and how you ride. We used to wear whatever we could find at thrift stores. In fact, today, no matter what jacket I buy it's going to go through the paces I give it and not one jacket I've worn has lasted me because I'm tearing it up through the trees or hitting rails in the middle of resorts or because I just spilled two beers on the jacket and decided to hit a chute in the backcountry. So a jacket for a little over 2bills? I'm in considering all these name brands charging outrageous prices for their snow gear today. Don't care what branding is on it so long as it does what its supposed to do. Point is, wear whatever the hell you want. If branding on clothes is what you're focusing on while riding the pow then guess what, you're not a snowboarder, just another click kid who completely lost the concept of why we all ride in the first place. Heck think I'll buy some Dopesnow gear just to pop off 80 foot tables just to entertain the triggered elite that's apparently flooding the mountains nowadays. Should be a hoot.
i bought a pair of montec bibs this season and snowboarded 33 days, there's some scratches and stains, but I never had snow get in(unless it was too warm and i was only wearing a tshirt under them😂).
Want to clear the air. This video is in no way sponsored by Dopesnow. While the company brought me to their HQ to meet the team after a shoot in France, this video was my initiative and something I wanted to create. After riding for Dope this season I grew to love the brand, the product, and the people behind the company. I wanted to make a video that addressed the unmerited hate the company gets and show off the facts behind the brand. This is the result, love you all ❤
you should pin this comment so ppl see
Hey, I understand the confusion, and I'm glad you put this comment here, I think a lot of people were just upset because this information wasn't in the video. Taking a flight from the company is fine, but it does still make it a sponsored video which is what people wanted disclosed
I personally don't really care one way or another, but FTC guidelines do require transparency about having a relationship with a brand, even if they didn't ask you to endorse their product when you speak about it.
Doesn't bother me personally, but figured I'd point it out in case you hadn't looked into it (I'm sure you have, but maybe this'll save a few comments from others haha). Don't want you to end up with a bad rep for an honest misunderstanding or mistake. Keep doing good work, bud!
I miss your "the good Lord loves ya" outros
So the video isn't sponsored by dopesnow but you are
I can’t stand behind a company that has partnered with you for so long and not put a rubber ducky on a coat. This kind of corporate shrill cannot be stood for
Steep he has a fucking point make it happen
Had us in the first half
"Shrill"? Are you saying Steep's voice is too high? Should we change it from 🐤 to 🐣? 😆
PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN STEEP
STEEP get over here
You can hate a brand.
You can hate capitalism and the game.
You can't hate steepsteep. ❤
Worlds not only black and snowcolour.
I like the yellow snow.
@@KungPow12321 I expected it to be like citrus or something but it mostly tastes salty-ish 🤷
Trueee
Hate is a strong word but this is just cheap kook advertising. The most notable things dope snow have to show off are a 4 way stretch fabric that’s too thin to be a t-shirt, some DWR coated fabric that beads water for 12 hours before becoming a sponge, and a program to turn returned junk products into someone else’s regretful purchase.
@@arbitraryalias9825 there are arguments to be made that not everyone needs gear that lasts 10 years and doesnt even need to be repaired or rewaxed/refilled with goretex or what have you the first two seasons. some people want to buy cool looking clothes that keep you warm enough for long enough to go skiing 4-5 times a year. and naturally purchasing top of the line gear is out of any sane persons budget.... for said use. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Knowing how much you can do yourself to waterproof (with waxes or coatings) you can make said product last longer, or choose to be upset that some of the cheapest gear you can find, doesnt last as long as the expensive products.
yes there is an argument for making only good quality equipment, that lasts, to save the planet, but you're not making that argument. you're just bashing a company making affordable clothing.
Ive been skiing and riding since i was a 7 y.o - over 30 years. Ive orn alot of different brands. I have alot of snow gear and i recently bought some dope snow overalls. I rode in them for a few days straight and i was happy with them. No complaints at all. For contrast- Ive bought burton pants and had them rip in the crotch after 2 days. Same with Northface. Same with a columbia jacket- seam blew and pocket ripped. Dope is fine. Nothing wrong w it. Im convinced people are hating on dopesnow to be edgy. Who cares what you wear- just ride. People should care less about fashion and more about following the code and mountain etiquette.
been riding since 1990 and sick of all the hoopla of brands . I loved the fit and basic'ness of dope and bought their rejuvenated stuff for very cheap and I am stoked. my pants are warm and great and I didn't spend alot like an idiot. when it falls apart and it hasn't I'll buy more. whoop
The Dopesnow hatred within the community has corporate espionage written all over it. Some executives in the big companies probably paying for all the smear propaganda online. 🤷♂️
Whoever's idea at Dope it was to sponsor Nick should get a massive raise. So many people are gonna appreciate this video and spend money on dope/montec.
Literally was planning on it this season lol
I’ve been using the same dope snow jacket each ski day for 2 seasons- never any issue and always keeps me warm. Their customer service is great, the first jacket they shipped to me was stole from my front door and they replaced it themselves even though it was no fault of theirs. That sort of thing will keep me around for a long time 🤙🏼
Oh wow, two seasons
Mine was ripped by accident, I let them know and they gave me refund as long as return the jacket
Will like dope forever
Asking sponsored riders and employees if they wear this stuff...?! I knew the answer before!
I got supported by Montec this season alongside my team for doing a 6 week road trip around Japan. Not only were we stoked by the quality of the gear but they kept contact during the trip just always asking us how’s it all going. Was super stoked to be supported by such a company that had such an interest. Also over here in Japan they are getting super popular amongst the Japanese 🤙
bro the stoke is real!
I don’t understand how they hate black ppl but steal our lingo and want to be us bad. 😅
@@orinorin4052 ??? Montec or Japan?
@@orinorin4052 can’t go anywhere without someone complaining about racial issues…. Give us all a break please.
You still look like a Jerry 🤷♂️
Should this video be labeled as an ad?
Video is entirely my own initiative, wasn’t paid
i Haven't met someone who is a good skier wear dope snow unless they're sponsored
Tbh a mid-quality option for casual skiers who do less than 10 days per season makes plenty of sense. They don't need to blow a bunch of cash on something they'll rarely use, but they still need a jacket for those 3 days they hit the slopes each winter.
@@NISHIAKIwow that’s the most real comment I’ve ever read on a ski thread. So true. Skiings such an expensive sport, the people who actually just like to slide a round 3-5 days a year have been left out of everything. They want some threads that look good, and don’t care too much about the techy parts. Make it pretty warm and dry and 80% of people would be happy. 🤙🤜👌
@@Odhege8262 yeah plenty of folks wanna call out something for not being perfect, but I'd imagine a lot of the naysayers also still wear a cotton hoodie when doing park laps lol. There's a place for it all. People should be skeptical and hold companies with influence accountable, but at least do it reasonably imo
@@Odhege8262
I'm in that category 😢 Westbeach sales used to be my go-to. But the quality has fallen off over the last decade.
@@NISHIAKI I have a dope jacket, and I skied the whole winter, at least 2 times per week. The quality is good, I don't get why people hate dope so much
I really love the fake pockets they sew onto the pants. Super functional.
Fake pockets for a fake brand.
Perfect.
😂😂😂 I’ve had Burton and grenade pants both with fake pockets what’s ya point 😂😂😂
I would say watch geniune testing of the products like angrysnowboarder has done. Dope snow is lower than average quality and overpriced for its quality (despite being cheap). Dope is not the only brand guilty of this. As a general rule of thumb the old established brands like 686 offer a much better value for money at the netry level. And dope doesnt come close to the top end at all, as they admit. I can understand that they struggle with material sourcing etc, but the stitching and layering is sub par. No hate towards DOPE im sure they're tring to improve, but they're not there yet.
Yea great point Cube! From my end, I have been able to test their lineup this entire season in conditions all around the globe. While I’m not able to compare to the likes of 686 (haven’t tried their gear), I was able to compare it to Orage, Descente and Karbon-the brands I’ve worn for the last 15 years. Descente and Karbon offered better quality and better performance in tough conditions, but they also cost 3x. When compared to Orage, I found Dope’s offerings to be the same if not better in terms of performance and quality.
While there’s so many other brands that I haven’t tested, I’ve still skied my whole life and tried many different offerings along the way. From my experience, Dope drastically stands out from the competition as an amazing value proposition but this doesn’t mean they are the utmost very best option either.
@@steepsteep I'd love for them to keep giving back to snowboarding and skiing like they have the past year, its a big step forwards for them. I'd be interested to know if this video was entirely your idea or if Dope suggested it. The refurbished gear is another step in the right direction, and it would be really good if they provided gear repair since durability is one of their main struggles. Big respect to you though for thinking about this whole thing critically and putting in the effort to engage. This is why you really are one of the best creators out there atm 🙏
Lab testing in a controlled environment and practical testing are two completely different things. Side by side they reveal that, with responsible use, one doesn't need an indestructible but costly piece of clothing. 686 pricing is still about 30% higher than dope. They meet the market demands of cheap and stylish clothing that's just good enough to last
686, Volcom, Quiksilver, ThirtyTwo, Dakine, Oakley, etc. are all pretty cheap imo. Arc’teryx and Burton AK really the only high quality gore-tex snowboard jackets.
@@IJohnSmith Jones aswell, also great to see them pushing recycled GoreTex too
I worked as a ski lift operator in Tahoe this past season and I bought a dope jacket right before I went. And it was probably one of the best purchases I made in my life. The jacket was super comfortable, affordable and dependable. I wore it literally every day for 5 months riding every piece of terrain Tahoe has to offer and I have absolutely no complaints. People who hate on dope snow and montec are simply just haters and probably aren’t very good riders themselves.
nope. they just do something completely unnecessary. you could've gotten just as good of a jacket for cheaper.
yin this case any aliexpress jacket would be enough for you, because it is made from same shitty fabric
What an asinine thing to say. Dope is mid-grade shit, doesn't support snowboarding like a true core brand, and I guarantee I'm a better rider than you. How's that for logic?
@@derpderpin1568 PFAS-free waterproof wear is unnecessary? I am buffled nobody is talking about this. Enthought Gore-Tex promised not to use PFAS in their membrane, they are still using it for coating. Check it out, it's a pretty nasty material I wanto avoid at all costs This is not the case with Dope.
I have one and it’s really pretty decent. Bought it used from their site so it was pretty cheap. Looked brand new. I have a few different jackets and this brand has a lot of features for the price.
One minor issue is the hood is smallish and can be hard to pull over helmet.
I have a Montec Fawkes.
Live in Minnesota and ski a lot of sub zero temp days and it’s been great.
my only experience with montec is a friend bought a jacket cuz it was a decent value, and it lasted around 2-3 weeks and then it had minor issues like small tears, seams coming apart, zippers jamming, etc. This killed the water proofing as now the seams were letting in about everything. In all fairness, we ride off piste in rough conditions, but still sad to see it only lasted less than a month. for comparison, i run volcom and thirtytwo, both of which have been through hell and back and will probably last another 3-4 seasons. if you ride resort, aren't constantly finding yourself in trees, and don't ride 6 days a week during the season, im sure it will be fine. but given what happened to my buddies jacket, i wouldn't trust it to last a season on my back
for 95% of riders out there, it will probably do the job just fine. EDIT: also just checked, for the same price you can get a hell of a lot better gear in a late season sale like on evo rn. 686, volcom, dc, burton, armada, etc. all for around the same price as dope. hell, even an arcteryx for like 80 bucks more
Can find better for cheaper.
Geartrade has been my saving grace. Got a brand new $350 Burton jacket for $200.
burton is 400$ more and Arc’teryx is 800-1000$ more what
@velentium thats retail, late season sales drop those prices a bunch, i got an arcteryx jacket for like 350 bucks a couple years back
@@BotWatts Idk man I’ve looked at end season prices and discounts and I can’t find anything for under like 600-700
Earlier this year, I purchased the Montec Doom 2021 Arctic Camo/Black ski jacket and used it for 17 days this ski season for skiing in different conditions such as powder, park, and piste. I'm pleased to report that the jacket is still in excellent condition and provided sufficient warmth during colder days. However, the insulation makes it quite warm on sunny days. Overall, I highly recommend this jacket for its great quality and performance.
wow 17 days you're a ripper
This is why i bought one without insulation for sunny days and just wear a hoodie underneath when its cold 😅
i recomend you get some hoes and a better jacket
This is just a 15min sponsored TH-camr commercial. Nothing wrong with that - but its so transparent - TH-cam 101 - it’s all about the title, to hook you in, so smart for dope snow to for a sponsorship deal - to get a TH-cam commercial that would be farther reaching than them putting out their own commercial. Win - win for both parties.
about 3/4 years ago dope did a photoshoot in my local snowpark after hours where they had their models stand and pose on a box and do other still shots in the park. the "riders" couldn't snowboard anywhere near well enough to be sponsored for their talent. very non core branding move... but then the last few seasons they had been sponsoring multiple riders and a filmer even paying them for dedicated shooting days. that was a great step up from the insta models they used before that to promote their gear
On this (as someone who has worked for an outdoor brand organizing shoots), you have to differentiate product shoots (models wearing shit from next year to have photos for website and stores and catalogues etc) and sports marketing. Meaning that sometimes you choose models who can’t do the sport at a high level for your photos because they are good at standing in front of a camera m, are the right size for the samples you have etc… and then you have a team of athletes who represent your brand performance and values to the public. So even though they have good riders, they prob still do photo shoots in parks with models who don’t ride well. Different tools for different purposes :)
TLDR - homie rides for Dopesnow and is trying to validate their Target-level design
it's really sad to see considering where this channel came from and how pure it used to be
Man I thought I was the only one thinking this looking through the comments. Love this channel but I swear so many "influencers" become just mouth pieces for their sponsors without scrutiny. Nothing wrong with having sponsorships, but it's issue when one just becomes a shill for a brand.
Absolute junk
Dope snow: the cariuma of the ski/snowboard world.
Cariuma actually doing good shoes! Not that chip "one day crap" produced by several world famous skate brands
i just hate the word dope, its cringy af. and on top of that almost everytime ive seen someone wear that gear they just seem like annoying and cringy people. thats why i dont like the company.
Valid for probably 90% of people that dislike this brand
I admit I’m a beginner and I bought a Montec jacket during summer. I have been looking forward to winter when I can try snowboarding for the first time because my little sister wants someone to ride with her. Now after hearing that other skiers and snowboarders look down on people wearing Montec I am concerned that I may get made fun of… I don’t want to go snowboard anymore because I don’t have money to buy a new jacket that won’t attract too much negative attention
Nah you're good man don't worry. What mountain are you going to?
@@Coach4.5.0 blue mountain in Ontario
I am a beginner too. I ride with my dad's old 30$ jacket from lidl that's 2 sizes too big. I look like a penguin. I can tell you no one really cared how I looked like. In Fact barely anyone looks "fashionable" at all. People wear all kinds of random stuff. I did however see a lot of dope and montec advertisement on social media this year. Yesterday I went skiing again and I was surprised how many dope/montec and Decathlon jackets I saw. Anyways don't worry, no one will say anything. In fact you'll probably find more people complimenting a stylish jacket than hating on it.
Don’t listen to the people saying negative things. It’s an awesome sport and honestly I see a lot of people wearing montec out in places like Colorado, including people who were decent skiers. I’ve even had people who work at the resorts, on more than one occasion, ask me about my montec gear and say that’s what they wear when they aren’t working. Even if the perception was different in Europe, honestly, it wouldn’t matter. Like most things in life, you will get more enjoyment out of it if you just focus on what you were doing, and let anyone else think whatever they want.
The reality is that 99% of people at the resorts are only focusing on what they are doing anyway and aren’t worried about your gear.
@@ChiliM4nthis was my experience entirely- I couldn’t agree more!
I bought the fawk outfit from montec last year, and I couldn't be happier with my choice. I quite like that montec and dopesnow differenciate between skiers and snowboarders outfits, and have so many different styles and colours you can choose from. Everything is so well thought through, the jacket is light and soo flexible (I do ski racing, so it's quite important), and it has everything you need whilst simply looking nice. The quality is very good too. The only problem I had was that my ski jacket's front zipper broke the first day, but montec sent me another jacket for free, as it must have been a construction mistake. The new one has been working fine ever since. All in all, 10/10 recommendation for everyone.
I think for those of us who've been riding for a while we recognize there's more on the line than just that quality (since they all do a great job to a degree). The brand, who they sponsor, their involvement in the industry, video parts etc all plays a role in how we support these companies. To me Dope snow has only ever been flashy instagram ads targeting the mainstream audience. To each their own but I don't get the sense (and seems I'm not the only one) that they're part of the fabric of snowboarding and I doubt you'll ever see any riders you look up to wearing it because of that. Doesn't mean the jacket won't keep you warm but there are way too many other companies properly integrated into the sport to support.
Yeah, I agree. I recently bought dope snow so I’m kinda committed this season to wearing it, however I would much rather prefer a company that gives back to the sport, in ways other than more advertisement 😂 what’s your go to company so I can keep it on my radar for the next time I need to buy one?
@@michaelboyle-ms2id Absolutely. I like 686, Quiksilver, Thirty-two, O'neil, and there's plenty more out there.
Yea who's Jesper Tjäder anyway
@@robwiensmedia bought a new jacket, so much more satisfied with my purchase
lol like snowboarding might die out? Snowboarders are just sounding like elitist skiers now.
I just worked a ski season using only one set of montec ski pants, they were the dream. I would say I will buy another set but the ones I have are in perfect condition even after skiing 6 days a week for a full season!
jerry
I own a pair of their bib pants and this year bought myself a fleece, both are fantastic, the fleece especially is comfy AF. The bib pants were a little bit of an issue as using them for both Skiing and Snowboarding I found it very difficult at times to bend down to put on/adjust bindings. I messaged them with this feedback saying maybe the sides should have a flexible mesh instead of a rigged zip and they got back to me within days thanking me for the information and that they'd pass it on to their design department.
To me, that's great customer service.
jerry
Gifted skiier is exactly what we need
oh shit.
For real
there already is one
Not the collision of worlds i was expecting to read
@@jamesvoneschen6603 who?
My friend used dope on the heliboarding trip to Georgia. FIRST thing after he came back he bought AK of Burton. Dope was garbage
I appreciaiate the point of cheap, more accessible outerwear for an average holiday maker, however the lack of support for the core community by selling direct to the customer, removes funding and jobs for local ski shops which are arguably the most import feature of the industry. They have staff who are passionate and can guide you to the right product for your needs which in some cases might be a dope snow jacket, and for others who require better quality products for big expeditions the shops can guide you to more higher end equipement like arcteryx or Patagonia. Ski shops also put on events and sposnor riders and promote ski films which are all integral parts of the core ski communtiy and ridestore have removed themselves from that which could be argued to benefit the consumer but only from a monitary point and also it means dopesnow get lots of attention which brings them more financial gain. Its much deeper than “quality and pro riders.” There bad rep comes from the way they've chosen to enter the market which has attracted a large consumer base that doesent care for or support the core community. That doesn’t mean everyone who rides the gear is like that in the same way not everyone in an arcteryx coat shreds, and supports the comminty. It goes both ways but the vast majority of people attracted to dopesnow are more interested in mellow ride days followed by drinks in the lodge than serious progression and just shredding which is okay, but again that doesnt represent the core community and that is where I think the “controversy” comes from. If you just look at there marketing campaigns you see photos of people doing some mellow turns down resort groomers and cute portraits of attractive people vs a company like arcteryx where there website shows the highest end athletes using the gear in some of the harshest conditions. Furthermore those other companies offer customers who visit there sites, blogs and films and community events whereas dopesnow is only focused on selling products. Sorry for this rant it lasted a lot longer than expected. Big appreciation for you steep and everything youve done to get to where you are but I dont think its fair to make a 15 minute video defending the company and alagations, when youre now getting free gear, and potentially financial incentive and then just ignore the actual heart of the problem because as much as people go on about the quality, price etc that doesnt differentiate them from other cheap brands and where the “hate” comes from. Lots of love brotha I hope you don’t take this as any personal disresepct I just wanted to get my point across
To counter this, how about the support thru give to remote workers? Their recruitment system allows people to work for them from the mountains, and live the lifestyle they love. This passion is then passed onto the customer when they speak to the staff. Try working for them for a season and see how fast you change your opinion
It's not even cheap really
@@mktrvls you can find cheaper better gear at local shops.
@@shushevents5765 except that's false in every sense when a company keeps blowing their money more on marketing to make a inferior product to better companies. Their products claim to be cheaper option, but are still more expensive than the same equivalent by the actual core companies. Every core shop and core company is always close to ski hills. Hell, burton essentially owns a small hill at their Vermont factory. One of the parts some people work at core shops is because the shops usually have a staff pass for a local hill. Lol
th-cam.com/video/Y9Fj7wuHpHc/w-d-xo.html
My dope jacket was used for a week of nonstop riding this year and hasn’t even had one mark on it + it keeps you warm but not too warm on the slopes with a steezy look
Until the waterproofing starts to blister because it's not impregnated into fabric.
dope does NOT have a steezy look 🤓🤓🤓😴Get yo ass of of this goonies channel and ditch your dope in the trash bro
@@Red1676what… so you board in the rain?😂😂😂😂
bro dope might be the least steezy look of all time wtf
There are always people who will get jealous of those who can get what they have for less money
Damn
@Kit Police You're opinion of the style, the brand, and the people who wear it is not what steepsteep was addressing in the video. It's about claims that the clothing cannot hold up, made by bitter people who hold a negative opinion about dope and will never actually try their clothes
that mouse is actually the most comfortable for the arm and wrist. it is the natural hand position but getting qcclimated to it is hard and it is not for gaming at all
Personally, my ONE dope snow jacket i invested in has kept me completely dry while my friends other super expensive brand has her moist on the mountains..
youre a jerry
It’s weird for me to see people argue about the quality of Dope while I know damm well that I’ll be wearing Wedze this season - oh except for my gloves that I actually ordered from Shein :D I would be more than happy if I had a Dope/Montec set right now, but again it’s my first season so I just went with what was the cheapest.
I bought a DOPE snow jacket early on. When I was looking for a new jacket and only found expensive, ugly trash, I started getting ads for DOPE snow. I had never heard of them but immediately liked their designs and prices. Their jackets had features the current big companies only offer in some of their jackets. Why make a "snow board/ski" jacket and not include all of the features? And then have the gall to charge an arm or a leg. So I took the risk with this "unheard" of company (by me anyway) and I love my jacket a ton! It's been sad seeing all the social media comments always say shit like "only jerry's wear dope snow". It doesn't make sense, people hating on a company changing the market for the better.
it's true though. there's MUCH MUCH MUCH better jackets out there for cheaper than theirs anyways.
People hating are the people who spent $600 on a jacket and are trying to justify their purchase. They just projecting
Thats not the Point, the point is that Dope isnt Bad. Most people wont care if it costs 30$ more then other Brands. Let People wear what they like@@derpderpin1568
@@cmfo801 at 600 you have a good goretex jacket
Damn, why do people care about what others wear??? I bought dope pants and jacket 1 season ago and they are great!!
youre a jerry
@ couldnt care less xD
@@prodbygus kook behaivor
@@gio.006get over your non-Jerry superiority complex! We all know Jerry’s have the most fun on the mountain. That’s what it’s about anyway, and no I don’t own any dope/montec.
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The problem I have with Dope/Montec is the pricing, it's marketed as 'affordable' when in reality it costs the same as any established brand's mid to low level gear (which is almost always much better quality). And also that employee saying they couldn't source gore-tex because it would be too expensive.. What a load of crap, reason they're not using quality fabrics is so they can maximise profits and keep manufacturing costs down.
Im a telemark skier and I wear a Volcom Gortex shell and snowpants. Cost me a pretty penny but its warm and dry. Id never waste money on low quality Target-style fashion crap. But Im from Colorado so I ski like 30 days a season. My Dad was a two-time Olympic ski jumper and he taught me one thing, that any clothes I buy should be warm and waterproof. Gortex is both so I pay for it. Having said that, if anyone paid me to ski Id wear a dang furry outfit if thats what they wanted me to.
A lot of skiers and snowboarders are an old and sensitive bunch. They don't trust anything new. Years back I bought dope and montec pants, and some of my friends were really skeptical about the brands. But they're still going and get me dry and warm on the slopes. Only complaint I've had is that they are really short.
(I'm 1.83m)
Oh yes. Just look at all of the "but muh straps" comments on anything related to step-in or step-on snowboard bindings.
Snowboarders are literally the opposite 😂 Forward thinking open minded people who love life You just can't handle that this is obviously a payed ad.. If you can't see that your blind🙃
Idk if its my personal style, but love how they support you and the channel. For the price their jackets seem like decent quality so can't hate on anyone buying it. The one thing im curious about is how good their goggles really are. They seem to know their stuff in terms of fabrics... but optics are a whole other thing in themself. Like hypothetically would you buy goggles from North Face or Arc'teryx if they made them? I know Oakley makes jackets along with their eyewear but I feel like its generally weird if other companies were to make both
Simple question to ask yourself. Are the ski resort employees wearing that?
That's a nice user pic you got there 😀
exactly
Interested to know what you would say about Dope if you weren’t sponsored by them 😂
I'm pretty certain this is supposed to be indicated as either advertisement or sponsored content as per TH-cam guidelines.
0:00 - 15:31
@@sejourna Well, you think anybody is going to report this for that? He is also sponsored, so ofc he is going to be more positive to dope snow.
@@steepsteepbro he has a point…
@@steepsteep so did you pay for the trip yourself?
My whole ski kit (pants and jacket) got eaten through by mice in storage. I have been looking at new gear that won’t break my wallet of a fresh college grad. This video convinced me and I’ll be rocking Montec this season!
How did you like sweden? I live here and am curious about your experience with the country.
Mannn was absolutely incredible. Have had the chance to go to Åre and Gothenburg. Some of the nicest people on the planet. Absolutely love Pizza salad
I bought a pair of Dopesnow pants. Great quality without the huge price tag.
Their customer service was awesome. They actually reached out to me about a month after my purchase to see if I was satisfied.
Where's the #ad?
Not an ad
@@steepsteep @steepsteep m8, not hating on the vid or brand, just confused why you didn't follow the TH-cam guidelines and disclose you are sponsored by this company. It's just a little misleading to people who don't know that from other videos of your's.
@@colin4771 it's not an ad💀
@@breckr1121 he got fucking paid to go to their hq in sweden if thats not an ad i dont know what is
I've been loving the past few videos! This narration/backstory into shredding style of vlog is insanely captivated, super fun to watch and clearly shows how much time and effort is put into each of the videos. Loving the content, keep it up steep!
Dude, i love your videos. Especially all the rubber ducky lord loving methaphors, such good energy. You got the best original commentary. This was different.... might be the longest commercial i ever watched
Appreciate you man! But this wasn’t an ad.
After riding for Dope this season I grew to absolutely the love the brand, the product, and the people behind it all. Given the mass amount of unmerited hate the brand gets, I wanted to make this video to show off the facts. Something I’m passionate about!
Much love man
@@steepsteep Yeah I get that, I dont wanna hate on it, but it felt strange.. idk. Just some feedback. Happy for you that they give you these opportunities and thank you so much for making all these videos! Also so cool to see you hit the big jump at nines!
Hey dude, I want to say something about my first comment, because I feel bad about it every time I watch your videos. I am sorry for judging you, especially about how to end your videos and that I missed the rubber ducky stuff. As if I was telling you how I want you to end your videos and that that would limit/force your creativity with the videos. I don't know if it had this effect on you, but if so, I am sorry and I hope you just make videos the way you want and forget what I said. I really appreciate and enjoy the videos that you make.
The brand is so overhated, because every average skier and snowboarder wears it. It's affordable and good quality. Maybe not as steezy as other brands but not bad.
the problem is that they dont sell in local ski shops to support them nothing more nothing less. id support them if they helped out the small businesses by having their lineup in store.
You can get better at local shops for cheaper, it's been proven. They just blow their money on marketing and not on quality gear. I hate the guy, but angry snowboarder actually proven how shitty this company actually is. Look up the pant teardown.
Not sure if you were going for the Harry Potter pose in the last modeling picture but I died laughing either way 0:08
Its nice, makes retail brand outerwear not so mainstream when 80% of skiiers are wearin pastel pink, green dope/montec fits up in the mountain
I would honestly say don't listen to people who say this is just 'Instagram snow gear'. I've got the Blizzard jacket and Notorious B.I.B pants and they're great. Dope really straddles that price gap between cheap / no-brand gear and stuff like Arc'teryx, while still being really good quality and wearing / moving really well. Not hating on Arc'teryx in particular as I have one of their jackets too but don't listen to the anti-hype on Dope. Maybe if you go backcountry for 176 hours straight and stay alive by eating the carcasses of dead bears you may need something more but that isn't most of us.
Steepsteep: the first ski drama channel 😂
Gifted skiier
I mean, is nobody complaining about how much Burton is charging for their gear? I’ve ripped Burton, O’Neil, and Ripzone gear. I’ve worn Mountain Warehouse ski pants until they are no longer waterproof. Montec gear has held up for me for the last two seasons, and that’s with buying refurbished items.
I would encourage you to buy a size up to allow you to layer your gear. But now I ride with a group of 5 people that all have dope/montec stuff. No rips and no complaints (other than price, but that’s life).
No. Because everyone knows that Burton is the most expensive snowboard specific gear out there. But the quality is there to match. Unlike Dope/Montec. But you get what you pay for, so it's priced to match.
I purchased a Dope bib and jacket after a 4 year break after a knee surgery. Just got done with a three day trip with them in CO and absolutely love their gear. Comfortable, dependable, and aesthetically pleasing.
there is almost nothing worse then gear shaming its dumb because if every one just ware the "name brand" gear we would all look the same wear what you like and can afford and just get out there.
even more reason for people to just go buy the incredibly good 80-100 dollar jackets that are out there instead of Dopes garbage.
what people forget is that a lot of recent brands that are now established have more or less started this way. Armada for instance started similarly to this. online only. few things being sold at the beginning. but look at them now. competing with top brands for all mountain skis, great outerwear as well. people need to just chill out on the "sheep" mentality and follow others while not experiencing the product. my wife just got a montec jacket and loves it.
Fun fact: my friend's family owns the factory that made these two brands' clothes in Ningbo, China. 😂 ¥599 here and $599 there.
Yep 🤣🤣 make it low cost to have a higher margin
599? Their clothes are really cheap. A jacket is like 120 bucks+-
@@LuuuugnMy bad. I just check their website. They do change their price line and definitely have lowered the price. I bought their pants and jacket for around $800 in total two years ago.
@@Luuuugn That factory does make great clothes I mean. Oakley is also made in Ningbo, China, just not in the same factory. But Dopesnow is way better and cheaper than Oakley according to the price now.
@@nashnash272 Ah alright :D yeah, ive got a pair of snowboardpants from dope. Its from like their first collection. Still feels new after a few years with alot of riding
Honestly I was a hater and seeing this video changed my perspective 100%. I work in marketing at a ski resort so just seeing these cool ppl who are passionate about this stuff just like my team at the resort is just heartwarming. Gor Tex ain’t all it’s hyped up to be
This video is just a commercial
I'm glad to hear about your experience with Dopesnow and Montec and haveing this discussion. I'm still relatively new to snowboarding, but I was skeptical about what other riders were saying and posting online. I liked the way their gear looks, but at the time it wasn't a well known brand (at least not to a new rider who mostly knows bigger brands like Burton). I've heard mixed comments, but it seemed appealing to me because their gear is cheap and looks good to me, I figured there had to be a catch. Ultimately I got some Burton gear for a decent price from my local ski shop; I'll definitely buy a jacket or pants from Dopesnow in the future if my current gear rips or I have enough money to buy spare/new gear.
Head of R&D used to make supersuits for the incredibles
It’s been a while since I’ve tuned in but it’s crazy to see how much you and your channel have grown keep up the amazing work
The worst thing about Dopesnow is their name. Maybe it would be alright if it wasnt plastered all over their gear. Also this shameless clickbait title and "this video isnt sponsored but I am sponsored" pinned comment.
100% agreed. The brand name dope snow is just heinous. The name oozes low budget noob wannabe wear, even if it is quality. And to add insult to injury they plaster it all over their garments. Their is no doubt in my mind they'd sell far more gear if not for this. They certainly went a better direction with their Montec gear. But I'm still not a big fan of them putting MONTEC across the shoulders of the fawk jackets, but its not a deal breaker.
Siroko is a new brand on the up. Thinking nobody would pay 300 plus euros for a jacket I bought into Dope. It's literally one in three riders on the hill. I do full seasons so see loads.
when the first came out the BIG branding is what turned me off...im happy to see they are being more subtle with it now...maybe one day ill find a garment sublet enough for me to purchase.
The prices of the jackets are pretty appealing I guess but the pants prices are ridiculous for the lack of quality. For the price you could just get any good quality pant from Capeesh, harlaut, arsenic or vulgus.
Just stumbled across your videos, and as a previous skier who’s currently trying to get back into it after a 4 year hiatus without breaking the bank, I can’t tell you how thankful I am that you made this video. I’m sure I would’ve bumped into dope snow eventually, but it probably would’ve been after blowing well over $1k on over priced outer wear with countless features that right now I frankly just don’t need. You’ve not just saved me money, but got me back on the slopes sooner!
"I can see that from your mouse." *my eyes flashing to my mouse* Dude! These are very comfortable -- that's why they look like that
My issue with dope and montec is A. They aren't really any more affordable than many other core snowboard products. 32 comes to mind, dope snow and montecs cheapest stuff is still about the same price as new 32 or 686 gear. I see people bring the outliers like Burton or Helly Hanson into it alot, when those are just 2 of the most expensive examples they can pick from. And B. 32, 686, candy grind, literally any other brand puts the money they make into other things like team riders, they produce well put together team videos for entertainment, and even pop out to some mountains for jams, and just to ride with people. I have yet to see any of the money going into dope and montec to be used for anything other than annoying ass social media ads and the very few riders they DO have.
bought montec bid this season for 12 days and it was excellent. Really good waterproofing and freedom of movement and insulation. I spend a lot of time in my mountain equipment pants for work and honestly if they made an alpine bib I'd use it in a heart beat. Sizing was great too.
only problem is you cant ski.
12 days LOL
I have a Dope Snow fleece hoody that I’ve had for 3 seasons and it’s still holding up 💯💯
the only brand i care about is my skis and boots, as long as my outer wear is waterproof i’m chillin
it is easier to spot a Jerry with this brand than good shreder
I only have 7-14 days off riding a year so I don’t wanted to go all out on money, I’m wearing my dope jacket since 4 Years and the only downsides is have is that I chose the wrong color (kinda sick of it) and I see to much people looking just like me 😂
Big fan of the channel dude you do really good content, love to hear Cooking Soul on the beat in the background
Much love buddy ❤️
Great video.
It's really interesting to read the comments and it looks to me like most of the negativity is coming from the US?
I'll be clear straight away...I worked for Ridestore the season just gone, for customer support in Europe.
I can honestly say that I have never worked for a company that's so customer and employee focussed. I've worked for some huge multi-nationals in customer service and I've never been given the freedom to do whatever was needed to make the customer happy that Ridestore gave me.
From a personal point of view, I wouldn't hesitate in recommending their clothing to friends. The jackets and pants (especially the Montec range) are as good as any I've worn.
I ride 30 plus days each season, so my gear gets used, and I've had no complaints at all.
Do they have work still to do on some of their lines, yes, but they constantly listen to their customers and want to improve each season.
Maybe things are different in the US, but the team here in Europe are some of the nicest people I have ever met, and I feel lucky to have been a part of the company, even if only for 5 months
not true, we don't like Dope in EU too
@@SimpleSouls we? What is it that you don't like?
@@shushevents5765 we = real snowboarders
what = the brand Dope
I regularly ride in snowparks around Europe and I have never ever seen a signle good rider wearing Dope stuff, apart from people who are sponsored of course
"5 days and it breaks" bro what ive been riding two seasons with the same dope gear, good as new.
I saw those memes on tiktok and was genuinely confused why people hate on it
they dont put any effort back into supporting core skiing and snowboarding they are only an Instagram brand for jerrys
“Core” Skiers and snowboarders hate on anything that is successful. It’s part of the deal.
I wear a Montec kit to work on the slopes. Not necessarily a fan boy for the brand but I have worn the same kit for 200+ days and it is still going strong. Needs a wash though ;-)
The interview with Asheesh reminded me of Nigel Tufnel giving a tour of his guitar room. This fabric goes to 11
I wrote two comments, explaining the problem with dope snow and both got deleted!? Why!? I didn’t use any offensive language and I think I stated out some really good points, regarding this topic! So criticizing is‘t allowed here???
What type of volume do they do annually ?
Skiing/Snowboarding is a rich mans game. Funny how the second someone makes a brand that everyone can afford, a buch of people who had their passes paid for by their parents start bullying you for wearing it.
would like to see them do a bit more for the community but you're a great example of a good start.
I bought pants with suspenders, and a jacket I think it was called the dune, it was like 440 bucks for everything, and it was a phenomenal decision, I’m an easy coast skiier who doesn’t have the money to venture out west. I was able to ski about 60 times this year and the Montec gear held up phenomenally in all conditions, freezing rain to deep powder, I was surprised at how much freedom movement I had in my lower body, the pants were a bit of a tight fit and I was worried, but I was able to move freely and the pants give me a small amount of tension on my legs which is fucking awesome. The only thing I’ll say is if it’s below 0, consider wearing a sweatshirt, I run hot so I was perfect comfortably but my girlfriend needed to put a sweatshirt on under on really cold days… not to mention we both feel great wearing it, look good feel good, feel good ski good, ski good live good, live good die good :).
So this is not technically an ad while being absolutely an ad. 💀
as an owner of a montec fawk 3L shell i can happily say its as waterproof as it needs to be in the snow, although it doesnt hold up as well in the rain as I've ended up with a moist mid layer before, but in the end its a solid shell priced well below others (at the price I got it on sell though, debatable at retail but the base price jackets are definitely well priced)
also it held up well with no noticeable damage through the branch filled glades at my home mountain
is it fun learning how to pizza?
A 3L jacket that can't handle rain. Junk.
I’m a local European!
lmao honoured to have you on here buddy, you're a legend
Just buy a Decathlon Jacket. Have the FR500 one and it is just awesome: light, warm and snowproof. Dope and Montec do aggressive advertising, but I think the real value for money you get at Decathlon.
As someone who’s been riding / snowboarding since the mid 90s, I’ve never given a rats arse about the nuances of clothing… it makes f*ck all difference. In the snow waterproofing is irrelevant unless it’s raining. So good luck to these Dope dudes is all I can say
I saw dope snow all over the mountains last year and decided to get a jacket and absolutely loved it, i have 3 now and a pair of snow pants and ill tell you its high quality stuff, me and my 4 buddies all have dope or montec and love it
it’s not really about the gear or the people making it but about the people who typically wear it, i think the gear is great and affordable and perfect for newer riders and even experienced , but the people who wear it usually are the ones falling off the lift after buying a whole new dripped out purple set of dope snow
The best company I’ve ever worked with ❤
jerry
I quite like the dope snow products they’ve held up for me but I can tell the quality is low but tbf comes down to cost for me and I can’t afford arcy
All these fanboys mocking Dope clothing yet most of these kids can't even hit a backflip off a mogul let alone follow us through the backcountry diving steep chutes and sending it off of cliffs. Been riding for over 25+ years and it's never mattered what clothing you wear, but how you treat your fellow shredder and how you ride. We used to wear whatever we could find at thrift stores. In fact, today, no matter what jacket I buy it's going to go through the paces I give it and not one jacket I've worn has lasted me because I'm tearing it up through the trees or hitting rails in the middle of resorts or because I just spilled two beers on the jacket and decided to hit a chute in the backcountry. So a jacket for a little over 2bills? I'm in considering all these name brands charging outrageous prices for their snow gear today. Don't care what branding is on it so long as it does what its supposed to do. Point is, wear whatever the hell you want. If branding on clothes is what you're focusing on while riding the pow then guess what, you're not a snowboarder, just another click kid who completely lost the concept of why we all ride in the first place.
Heck think I'll buy some Dopesnow gear just to pop off 80 foot tables just to entertain the triggered elite that's apparently flooding the mountains nowadays. Should be a hoot.
Thanks for sharing, really helpful! Do you know if Montec Wear and Dope Snow have black friday sales?
Nothing wrong with being sponsored, got to make $ to make content. Keep it coming
I just want to know how warm (or not warm) it is, breathability, durability, and water resistance....
i bought a pair of montec bibs this season and snowboarded 33 days, there's some scratches and stains, but I never had snow get in(unless it was too warm and i was only wearing a tshirt under them😂).