The Original CETME Mars Importation
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The CETME Model C would be the basis for the wildly successful H&K 91 / G3 rifle, and a small batch of CETME rifles was brought into the United States as early as 1966. They were imported by the Mars Equipment Corporation of Chicago, and are completely Spanish-made examples of the original CETME. A few changes were made to the military pattern to made them semiautomatic only, and a total of 1254 were brought into the US between 1966 and 1971. They were imported in two models; the first batch had metal handguards and integral folding bipods, and the second batch had wooden handguards and no bipods. To increase their civilian appeal, they also came with a pair of scope mounting blocks on the receiver, which were not standard to Spanish military rifles.
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CETME up with one
Core Cheng wow, hold on i have to laugh...I can't do it, I just can't.
Just kidding that was pretty good.
Wonder how long it took you to come up with that.
Hahaha!! Cheng
Haha solid
😂😂😂
I did my military service with that gun in Spain. Very good gun and quite accurate when shooting in semi auto. Brings back quite good memories
Rather heavy though. I mean the thing is 11lb without an optic, and each magazine is rather heavy too. Must had been a pain to lug around.
Me too, 1982. Cuatro vientos
El Pardo, Transmisiones
En la Armada seguimos usando el chopo, grande gordo preciso y fiable, me encanta!
I love 7,62 mm x 51 NATO..... A strong man's caliber..... 5,56 mm x45 is for kids.
The moment I saw Mars importation I thought "The Mechanicus is getting one heck of an early start."
Ahahah ahahah
The emperor protects!
Have you ever tried contacting the ATF and doing some videos of their massive gun collection? I bet they have some real oddball unicorns just sitting there waiting to be documented.
In the early 90's I was in DC and went on the tour of the FBI headquarters, which included a walk past the confiscated weapons room. "Oh wow, look at it all, there's so much- IS THAT AN M-79?!?"
I'm sure. I seen a video once where they showed part of their collection. I can't recall where, maybe a news story. One thing i remember was the line of Thompsons! Lots of homemade guns too which i always find interesting.
Maybe a FOIA request could get him in?
oh yes, private FBI collection is fantastic, think of that after what you saw in the open as it were lol ;)
i had been using one in my military service in spain 1982. i can tell you is a very strong weapon, designed to function without much cleaning or maintenance. we love it. a little heavy to carry on on long marchs. if someone bought it will be happy. quite precise up to 200 mts.
There isnt much written on the effect of the transition to democracy on the Spanish military. Did it ever get incredibly political? Were you still using Francoist or Falangist symbols for regiments etc? How was your service in general?
in the 80 much of the officers came from the franco years, and the army was equipped with old fashioned equipment in general and undertrained . not very operative except the special forces that were quite good. on this years we had the AMX 30 french tank and the M48 that usa give to us in order to equip the nato. finally, in the late 90, the government, make a big turn, and change to a preffesional army, much smaller but more operational. now our army went down from 350.000 soldiers to 80.000 and has a level of training similar to any other modern army in europe. of course now there is no franco symbols or anything related to him. my service was quite boring, due to the lack of money to train more often. we learn to shoot the centime C, the use of hand grenades (EXPAL) made in spain and some of us use the machine gun MG42. a very effective gun still on use in our army , exactly the same that germany used in WWII
i was in a engineer company, specialized in floating bridges. equipped with PF 50 bridge from usa a floating bridge with rubber inflatable pontoons, and a better german made, 80 tons MAN bridge of metallic parts that was easier to laid and stronger.
@@juannalbertoisern2500 Thats quite interesting and thank you for sharing. History and politics are a big thing for me and so i was doing some independent research into Russia's transition in the 1990s after the fall of the Iron Curtain and discovered that many soldiers deployed in Chechnya and former Yugoslavia were still wearing Red Army uniforms and and patches which lead to some confusion, especially when combating the Serbians who mostly came from the ranks of the YPG which were also still using Communist symbols.
YPA* not YPG my mistake
@@juannalbertoisern2500 Pontoneros, Monzalbarba, Zaragoza? Vivo cerca, soy del segundo del 90. Saludos!
CETMEs, G3 and Fn Fal are the most beautiful rifles ever designed.
I can't believe anyone would even suggest that a CETME or a G3 is in the same league as an FAL, as far as beauty goes. Maybe the M14 could be considered a distant second in the same league. Maybe.
You dare to place that flimsy piece of driftwood anywhere close to a magnificent mechanical wonder that is Fn Fal? How preposterous!
What can I say? I'm American. I have a bias.
Scott Patterson NO! You're American and you're proud!
The M-14..... The M14 is what the first Garand M1 must have been like. The M14 was born old.
One of the best rifles in Fallout, very accurate, moderate damage
Nah bro in fallout 3 this thing is as inaccurate as it gets
This will be forever known in the Spanish military as "El Chopo".
and "matabúffalos
I used during my military services in Spain! It was fun!
I love mine, taken about a dozen hogs and a couple white tails with it. About 2500 rounds and only malfunction was a weak spring and sticky follower in one magazine. Great rifles.
Ian, the metal handguards with integral bipod are CETME model B handguards. Model C's only came with wooden handguards.
El arma que tuve durante 2 años uufff, en 7'62 no hay otro que lo supere!!🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸
My dad did the service with a CETME, like most of the people, looks great, shame we don't do stuff like this anymore
Don't be afraid to go long Ian. If some viewers don't have sufficient attention-span then they will be missing out on the really good information you present !
I used one of these in 1989 in the army. It's a very reliable rifle.
I had a G3 Sporter from Century Arms. These were actually imported scrap uppers. I enjoyed the 7.62Nato round on this gun until the roller lock delayed blowback would jam at the end on the receiver. All the time. Sore spot with this model was the roller lock and closed bolt.
Forgotten??? I can´t forget this one. Used one in the army.
Full automatic.
Someone tell Elon Musk that the Martians have battle rifles
From Spain, no less
The Illudium Pu-36 Explosive Space Modulator Thrower?
They also have early 20th century semiautomatic pistols
Thanks for that pop culture gem.
So, we have battle flamethrowers 😎
I had to say this. Congrats for both your "show" and the accuracy of your translation. Thanks for your effort!
That is a beautiful rifle. Feeling the roller-locked love today between this and MAC’s video drop.
Lo tuve de dotación en la BRIPAC , de lo mejor de su época
Yo lo usé durante mi servicio militar en 1983. Duro, fiable, potente y bastante preciso y con un retroceso bastante fuerte.
Dé lo mejor que se ha hecho y superior al AK en muchos aspectos.
Aunque el ejemplar del vídeo tiene un fosfatado gris y el CETME del ejército español era negro, y también es distinta la bocacha apagallamas y carece de anclaje para balloneta.
My Mars CETME has a slightly earlier number and CETME stamped on the big rubber recoil pad and shoots fine. Good video.
My dad shot with one of these!
i will find you wherever you go otz.
you cannot hide.
Oh shit hey otz
Oh my, oaty zed, how serendipitous
On what? Sanhok?
Did he recover?
I'm amazed at your depth of knowledge regarding arding these firearms.
MAC was just talking about CETME in his preban postban video today then this video comes out. Good day today
Love the inverted commas around "Sport".
Used these when I served in the Spanish legion in the 70s, quite a good rifle, easier cleaning than the L1a1
I want a Mars Cetme so badly....
This video makes me wanna cry
Beautiful wood pieces around ❤
Con mira telescopica...un arma temible
Now that is a Gun Safe Queen, if I have ever seen one. Bet it still has some original cosmoline in it. I don't care if I have to eat hot dogs and rice for a year, I want.
Esta si salió buena. Disparé con varios y de varios modelos y era cojonuda. Un 7,62 de verdad, un fusil ametrallador de los de antes. Entre otros motes le llamaban "matabufalos".
Some scopes was adopted by spanish armed forces with apropiated mounts. These scopes was produced by Enosa (Empresa Nacional Óptica S.A) in two versions. A standard scope type F
and night vision vnp009. Both use the same mounts. I was seen a lot of CETME's C provided with Z4F Scopes in service too.
Very interesting; the CETME Cs that we had on the instruction in the Marine Infantry didn't had a 300m aperture on the rear sight, they had 100m, 200, 400m only, new like that one look great!.
I absolutely love this rifle, it feels togh in your hands, kicks just enough to make you feel it, plus it just fits perfectly in my hands, since I'm pretty tall myself.
Just bought one of the early Century parts builds yesterday.
I was trained with one of those, great rifle. Still used by the Guardia Civil today, specially adapted by riot control units to lauch smoke cans and rubber balls.
Just traded a Chinese SKS for one on Saturday! I love how it feel, looks, and shoots!
Putting "Sport" in quotation marks, it's like their lawyer held up air quotes when he told them what they need to call the gun to get it imported.
Wah! It's the R91 from Fallout 3! Slap a 4x and a silencer on it and ditch the wooden stock and you've got the Perforator from The Pitt! Awesome!
Yes, but the R91 is in 5.56mm (god knows why you'd do that)
@@francisquito4590 Bethesda knows nothing about guns, even 15 years after Fallout 3 😂
Holes in the stock to hold the bolts so they don't get lost... I went weak at the knees, I heart you CETME. Lol
The only problem is that there are two holes for three bolts. As Ian explains, the third bolt was a later developement, but it seems that nobody cared to provide the stock with a third hole...
Diego Ferreiro the fact the someone took the time to even think of it is enough for me lol
Typical " she'll be right" mentality.
yeah, when i saw that simple, but practicality? - face palm
@@diegoferreiro9478 the 3rd hole never gets much consideration
Ian, you mention an ATF "collection", presumably of weapons submitted to them for assessment, etc. Is this/has it ever been, accessible by the public, ie: researchers such as yourself?
yes and no.
gotta' know a guy who knows a guy, who knows a guy type deal (from my understanding).
they can also be a little anal when it comes to filming. except on the 3rd Friday of each month while the moon is in first quarter crescent of the lunar phase. oh, and the hotdog vender outside needs to be out of mustard.
you get the picture.
Pretty sure Ian knows lots of guys with connections.
It is absolutely allowed for researchers,
researchers with camaras on the other hand,
VICE did a piece that showed some of the ATF refrence collection and to say it was impressive is an understatement
There was a joke among spanish soldiers that CETME actually meant "Cada Esquina Tiene Mierda Escondida" which translates to "there's shit hidden in every corner".
The original 7.62mm CETME models were really popular among soldiers, but when they switched to the 5.56 model (CETME-L) it did not work as well and the troops didn't like it too much.
Source: my father did the military service in Spain
Cada vez que lo limpiábamos el sargento encontraba mierda en un rincón nuevo.
Por cada rincón nuevo que aprendíamos, al día siguiente la encontraba en otro, era imposible limpiarlo bien del todo, jajajaja.
Lo bueno que tenía es que funcionaba bien igual. Los pocos problemas que recuerdo venían más de los cargadores que del propio fusil.
Ian, the 7.62CETME cartridge is *not* a lower pressure cartridge! If you actually read the Spanish manual they state the pressures of each cartridge and they are both about 50,000PSI. It's fuddlore that keeps getting repeated over and over again. 7.62CETME is a lower recoiling cartridge, not lower pressure.
so you mean it has a lighter bullet?
Yes, but more than just a lighter bullet. It uses a flake type powder instead of extruded powder. It burns very fast so it builds up pressure quickly instead of slowly like it would in a normal rifle cartridge.
@@arisukak there's also the other CETME cartridge used on this gun made with aluminum that could reach 1000 meters
For some reason I found it awfully fascinating to look at the reflection of the room in the window behind Ian.
Just picked up one of these, can't wait to take it out.
The dot pattern on the wide flat steel bit inside the HK fire control group; That is a pattern formed from flattening the bit of sheet metal with within a few .001", or around .05mm for the metric types.... The die has tiny pyramids and the displacement of the metal helps to keep it flat as well as add a nifty patter. It's an extra step that isn't much to do when in production(load part, squish, rinse, repeat) but the die setup for the press is the pricey part.
I have that exact rifle. Love it. Runs like a Swiss watch.
I love the quotation marks around sport.
how i loved that little middlefinger to TH-cam at the end :D
Someone in the ATF really needs to get Ian some exclusive access...
Pity that the grip isnt wood as well... It would make the gun look quite a bit more visually coherent I think!
who remembers this gem? "The Best Candy on Earth Comes From MARS."
Those who were shooting with the original Cetme C preferred it to the L model, which turned out to be quite inferior in performance and reliability.
Man, that wooden furniture is gorgeous.
4:41 "we're getting long here"
so, when's the book review of "Full Circle" coming Ian?
This gun reminds me a lot of the HK33 in style. Really interesting background as well.
Alguien se llevaría una gran comisión cuando se decidió dejar de utilizarlo. Ahora, nos enteramos que se busca volver a la munición 7,62 porque tiene "mayor poder de parada". 👺
We should equip our soldiers with maces, because maces have more stopping power /s
I have a century arms Cetme g3 made back in the 60s, my brother bought after he came back from Vietnam.. He gave it to me a long time ago and all I have ever done was put some original Egyptian 308 that came with it down range after checking the head gap, it was and has stayed .14. I love the way this weapon shoots, I still remember the first day I went to shoot it and my brother started laughing and asked me what I was doing as I was packing all kinds of crap against my shoulder for the recoil, I had never fired such a gentle rolling system in my life... Now not long before so you know, my son was watching me fire our sporterized Kar 98, I turned to him with the last shell fired, bolt open and another stripper clip in hand and asked if he was ready? He looked at me, looked at the rifle and said, "no dad, I good" and went back to plinking with the 22.... I laugh still thinking about the look on his face when he said that because I remember him looking over at me the very first time I fired it, if there had been a bug on the ground, he would have ate it. I had ignored it, otherwise I would have cried like at little girl because I forgot how bad that thing kicked, the next 4 were rough but I made it... Anyway, that was what I was thinking after to many years of plinking with 556 and 762, 308 hmmm haven't shot that caliber in forever thinking of my 8mm Mauser...All I have ever heard are bad stories about those century weapons... I mine has been a beautiful shooting and functional weapon, only malfunctioned 1 time, I put 300 rounds thru at one time it powder fowled and choked an eject, my fault not the weapons, didn't clean it before firing that many rounds and it was full of safe dust, you guys know what I mean, and worse of all, I found out from Ian I am not left handed as I switch hands depending on what I am doing, pistol either hand, rifle left, bow left, baseball right, hockey left, write either hand, play guitar right, drums left.... and so on, I think Ian called it crossed eyed, must be why I look funny in the mirror all these years...
Yep, it had a reputation of "kicking back like a horse" when firing. As Ian explained, the reason was that it was designed to fire a special CETME round but it was latter converted to 7,62 NATO.
Love that short magazine ! Totally legal in every state!
The magazine is but the gun isn't.....Pistol grip, flash hider etc disqualifies in here in New Yorkistan. Unless you had it before the NY unsafe act and registered it,
beverwyck1 New Yorkstan isn't fit for American live! 😾
Chu McCurry that muzzle brake and pistol grip fucks me in NY though. Wtf
beverwyck1 Once it's 50 years old it becomes an Antique Assault Weapon and SAFE exempt.
Also, legal in Spain, in fact, I had the exact same rifle chambered in .307
So thats what inspired fallout 3 assault rifle. It wasn't HK, it was a CETME!
fallout was the biggest contributor in me getting a cetme/hk rifle platform lol. but i really dont like shooting the beast, its rough.
I really like the aesthetics of it, but everything I have heard is just how much they beat you up. Biggest thing that makes me not want one.
Sam O. Convert it to 5.56?
I've shot fullauto Cetme's, easy to control.
Have some concrete and man up.
They're incredibly fun, they're mainly just loud. Like you can stand 15-20 feet away and feel the concussion from firing it. But I love mine, it's one of my favorite guns to shoot.
2:25 "This sling is delicious!"
Ian, my brother - you have the coolest job in the world.
Though I must commend Ian's Spanish in explaining CETME, something in his cadence reminded me of MwC: "My name is Miranda Veracruz de la Jolla Cardinal!"
Among Spanish conscripts there was another explanation for the CETME acronym: "Cada Esquina Tiene Mierda Escondida", that could be translated as 'There's Hidden Shit in Every Corner'.
Ian is very aware of it, as he repeatidly mentions it in his In Range videos on the CETME L. He literally calls his CETME 'Mierda Escondida'.
beautiful gun, such good condition too
GamersBar ikr. I shoot my ptr 91 5 times and it's soot city. I've only ever seen the bolt assembly on a cetme/G3/hk91 spotless when they've never been fired
Most known as "el chopo" in spain, because it was like a tree lol.
The pins should be putted in from the other side to prevent the carry strap pushing them out
I love your videos and also your pronunciation skills, very accurate both
@Forgotten Weapons My friend, real name for the model is not "2" but "A2" (Cetme models are: A1, A2, B, C, E, L, LC, LV and Ameli (Ameli is a spanish acronym for "AMEtralladora LIgera" (Light weight machine gun))
Fallout 3s used a CETME rifle for its assault rifle
Love your channel, you really did some research before the vids
Very reliable weapon. I've seen it even in the mountains of Afghanistan...and very appreciated by its user
Que maravilla el "chopo" y que buenos recuerdos de la mili, duro, eficaz, duradero, preciso, hasta con mira para un tirador designado, de hecho aún se usa para ese cometido.
I love all the background ........... almost shades of Othias ........ good job!
It looks like a mix of the FN FAL and the Sturmgewehr 44
Nice Pronunciation congratulations Mr. McCollum.
I remember seeing this rifle in an Álvarez Armory magazine for 700€ 10 years ago
I love these videos of "civilianized" military rifle importations!
I love forgotten weapons so much but every video I watch I scream in want,then I realize that their called forgoten weapons for a reason and that I'll go broke before even owning the barrel
STG 44 & 45 has inspired as many rifles (in my opinion) as the 1911 inspired pistols.
Heckler & Coke? Do they sell fizzy drinks as well?
Love your channel man! I was just think that I’m not a gun owner but thanks to your channel, I know more about gun mechanics, design, and history than probably 75%+ gun owners.
Oh, the mighty "Black popplar" :) The C model was awesome. Too bad politicians screwed the L model. Had the L model been like the prototype it would also been as awesome as the C model. Kudos again to Ian for his covering on the CETME, he knows more about it than many Spaniards do!
Will there ever be VSS "VINTOREZ" and AS "VAL" review?
Анатолий Бронштейн extremely rare and hard to come by weapons as it was only created for special ops Russian forces, no civilians shod have one.
DarkSerris
Yeah, I know that. Though there should be some of them in the hands of terrorists, we lost a number in Chechnya.
Анатолий Бронштейн Do they still make VALs and VSSs today?
or a training model or book/schematic review would be nice, like the AN-94 review
I would really like to see that, I think that the VSS is a really interesting weapon to look at, but it's also really hard to find. There are very few videos of it in the internet.
2:55 looks like someone took his duolingo lessons...
Just recently came across this channel. Love it.
Have you done a video on the M16 at all?
The version I am familiar with is the M16A2 through A4 (not much changes in the versions) but was just curious.
87/4...Pavía 19 en San Roque, Cádiz......y además cabo de armamento......anda que no he limpiado chopos....
Reading between the lines, a full auto trigger pack, hacksawing off one lump of metal and drilling one hole makes this auto? :-)
More importantly, I think you need to lock the autofocus on your camera!
Look up randal weaver
5:02 He pronounced Heckler & Koch correctly! Well almost.
Watching while cradling my PTR.
In Greece it is still used by the army I had a g3a4 and g3 a3 actually the same gun. I had a 10 50 score open shight 100 metrics.
Cetme is very famous in Rio de Janeiro favelas....very intimidating, especially with tracer bullets....
Ahhhhh, the rifle that puts 308 casings on my roof, 80 ft away
I need one of these. Miss the days when they were cheap.
700-800 euros here in Spain, sport version semi auto in 307 caliber only
@@AragonDubs but 308 works also with the gun, just not legal in Españistan😅😅🤷♂️
The link to the article on Ian's website doesn't work for me. (8:00 CDT, 8/20)
Looks like it's fixed now.
Been heard thousands time somebody in gun channel told the german origin of CETME/G3 rifle.
I would love to take one of this hunting
I know this is off subject, I've been doing something similar to your ww2 rationing video.
It gets quite boring very quickly.