thanks for the trip down memory lane. I remember a lot of those class 86/7 travelling up and down to Warrington. They were a fine workhorse on the express route.
Many thanks soundseeker63 for the comment, yes they have a very distinguished sound. The Polish versions of the class 86 didn't produce such an evocative sound, but I have not seen the 87's abroad yet....best regards...Mark
What a difference the digital remastering has made! It's night & day. Thank you for your time and effort in accomplishing this - much appreciated. Of course the content is pure magic as well, so many memories of when I stood on that same platform in the 70-90's.
I am most grateful for your appreciation and very kind comment, you are most welcome and I will try to keep up with the quality of remastering (eventually) all my archive material. My earliest visit to Glasgow was with my faithful old tape deck making sound recordings back in 1976 (which luckily I still have and am also preparing for audio placement on this channel in the near future...so many projects to complete it is a life time's work in progress......my best regards....Mark
That's a great view at 2:32 with the 47 and the 87 approaching. Only four coaches? Must have been the Glasgow portion of a train that divided at Carstairs, though the Glasgow section was usually longer than that
Hi Andrei...Yes I believe the train was from Manchester or Liverpool. It is hard now to confirm. I will have it on record on paper somewhere....best wishes....Mark
Aside from the obvious, what I like about this vid is that the sound is superb with no wind noise etc. Thanks for sharing this, it's really good. for what it's worth I found it whilst researching the coaching stock of the GLCen / Edin WAV - Euston services of 1986 for a scenario I'm writing for train simulator. Saving this vids into watch later - thanks - from a Freedom of Scotland vet. 1982 - 1989.
You're very welcome Chris, thank you for the kind feedback......I hope your TS Project/Scenario goes well, sounds very interesting as I have the Rail Sim, don't use it so much lately, but my best regards to you....Mark
and what a fascinating variety of DMUs! One set there was three different classes, in three different liveries!And I had no idea Cravens sets were still around in Glasgow then.
Would I be correct in thinking that the short-formed rakes of air-conditioned Mk2s that we saw being hauled by electric locomotives were the Glasgow portions of cross-country services?
@@spompey I was thinking more along the lines of services to Poole; Bournemouth or the West Country, with loco changes at Birmingham New Street. One such was the "Wessex Scot", which at that time would have been made up of two portions - one from Edinburgh Waverley (hauled by a Class 47 as far as Carstairs Junction); the other from Glasgow Central (with an electric, which would take the complete train forward to Birmingham NS).
Yes of course the Poole services I completely overlooked these. As a driver on the Western at the time we worked these trains from "Brum" to Reading then a "Bomo" driver took them onto the Southern region and V.V. These were usually a rake of 6 - 8 coaches in a variety at the time of IC livery and CC and the B + G BR livery. Almost always 47 hauled, as you state as far as "Brum" As this video was shot in the morning it would have been too early for the "Wessex Scot " to arrive and Poole services too, but the departures could explain these diverse rakes....Many thanks Kevin....your interest is very much appreciated Best regards....Mark
Highly likely yes. Don't forget that,at the time,the section between Edinburgh and Carstairs wasn't electrified so diesel locos were needed for haulage.
It's a shame that the cost of travelling by train is so expensive these days, it's a lot cheaper to go by car. Also last year me and my partner went by train to York from Birmingham. It was the worse experience of train travel we ever had. We was on the class 220 train. The windows don't always line up with the seats. So couldn't see much out the window. If at all. Also the seats are to close to the ones in front. It felt claustrophobic. Not happy. That's put me off train travel more. It's a shame I have been a railway enthusiast all my life.
I agree entirely, the trains that run on the South Western are not too bad and are quite spacious , but I would never travel on these new high density little long haul units.....they are just so inadequate. The aim today is just to pack them in and make as much money as possible, how most businesses operate nowadays......many thanks for your comments Gazza B ...best regards and never let this modernisation put you off your enthusiasm for the railways.......Mark
Being more used to diesels I always thought the 87s sounded almost alien; those old DMUs must have been on their last wheels and a great deal of effort must have been required to maintain them going by the number of scratch formations... I think the 104 with the white cab roof is ex Buxton as this was a depot trademark. It's likely that the 105s went with the Kilmacolm line closure and the Ayr electrification, while the 104s and 120s were replaced by the Class 156s. I think the 120s had Albion engines made in Glasgow. Albion are still going, making truck and bus parts following a buyout from British Leyland.
Many thanks Daniel for the valuable historic info, very much appreciated and also for viewing...More archive from this era will follow waiting for a decent broadband speed still. Best regards to you....Mark
Looks like a few staff were using 81006 at the end as a lift in getting back to Polmadie depot........after that driver jumps on it soon accelerates away.1986 was a great time to for the blue and grey and executive livery mash ups....
Many thanks for your comment...yes they were good days...they did a similar thing with the worker bus from paddington to old oak common where they deputised a loco when the worker bus was out of action back in the 70s and 80s, normally a class 31 or 50.....what memories....best regards Mark
where would the train hauled by 87022 be arriving from, im interested because it was only 4 coaches and contained a scotrail mk2, Im sure that in 86, Scotrail liveried coaches would not have appeared in anglo-scottish rakes.
I will see if this working I have any record of, if not I suspect it is the Glasgow portion of either a Liverpool/Manchester to Glasgow and Edinburgh service which had split at carstairs Jn.. many thanks for your interest and much appreciated....Mark
Yes, I wondered that as well? They did appear sometimes in summer dated services to Blackpool, but that would not be timetabled in October. I thought perhaps it was an incoming ecs rake for a later Carlisle via Dumfries service?
It may well have originated from Polmadie but I believe it is in service as passengers (unless they're staff) can be seen on board, most likely an anglo-scottish with the rare scotrail coach, I am still trying to see if I can match this up with my records (now 32 yrs ago!!)...my best regards...Mark
I think ECS from Polmadie for a cross country service where it would of joined at Carstairs. The 87s where often doing ECS then running on to work a passenger service. I suspect that was a Glasgow-Penzance ECS or there was a Glasgow-Poole as well that ran in the late 80s. A lot of 87s would run fro Mossend or Coatbridge to Polmadie after working freightliners overnight then work services from Glasgow. Occasionally paired with 86/4s as well which could end up on 87 diagrams as well.
Many thanks Jackodon74, Your reply is the most likely answer, been through the timetable etc, and my records but do not seem to be able to get a definate working....best regards...Mark I will keep looking though....
Another cracking video, welldone. Loved seeing the old dmu's, I used to hate them when I was younger. Funny how we change as we age. I bet the lookout man was shattered after working there, need eyes up your ass lol. Great days, 85 to 95 my pway career. Thanx for your time and effort loading .
That is the reason I upload these videos. To evoke old fond or bad memories .. I totally felt the same regards 1st Gen DMU's but now funny that I would travel miles to video one now.....Best wishes and thanks...Mark
@@spompey hi Mark, massive thank you for all your uploads, you have been a massive help with my Sanity during this lockdown. You and many others have helped me rekindle an old passion I thought was long gone. Thank you for risking your health and safety, going out filming, to keep us entertained while we are locked away. You are a an essential worker. Please look after yourself, be safe. I know you're only 21 !!!lol Big Thanx to you and your son. 👍😎🍻
Yes it was quite impressive, even when I used to work with the sleeper trains back in the late 70's and 80's with 16 coaches an 85 or 86 had no problem climbing Beattock and acceleration was parallel to any sprinter nowadays! sounds incredible but if you get to see the rare freightliner with an 86 hauling just see what ease it has pulling it's rake....much obliged to you and PS who needs this modern "creep" control?
Dear John Yes I believe you are correct as the electrification was completed in that September so the class 316 EMU's had not been fully introduced. Many thanks for the comment and for watching......best regards.....Mark
Great vid. Hate the messy look on.the front of the 87s with extra cables that were added.....lots of short rake movements only saw one 10 coach hauled express so I wonder why there were so many short portions........not even a buffet car as per the old Carstairs splitters/joiners.
Shame to think that getting from A to B as fast as possible is the reason we're stuck with these pointed nose units instead of loco hauled stock. We lost a lot of electric work around the late 80s.
Many thanks for the comment.....yes, the same happened nearly everywhere, certainly where I was based on the Western, only our replacements had the aerodynamics of a dinner plate.....best regards...Mark
What an astonishing time capsule with amazing sounds!
Many thanks for the kind comment Chloe.....you are very appreciated....Mark
thanks for the trip down memory lane. I remember a lot of those class 86/7 travelling up and down to Warrington. They were a fine workhorse on the express route.
You're very welcome...glad it evoked old fond memories and they were a fine workhorse all too short lived i think.....best regards...Mark
The old Central tannoy noise at 20 minutes in,beauty..
Yes , it was a unique tannoy.....many thanks for watching Rob....Mark
When did they get rid of the tannoy intro? It was still going in the early 2000s.
jhclausen 2009 I think replaced by a drab auto announcer
Sounds like a train horn...
Love the noise the class 81-87 make, very evocative of a bygone era. Seems mad to think many of the 87s are still working abroad now.
Many thanks soundseeker63 for the comment, yes they have a very distinguished sound. The Polish versions of the class 86 didn't produce such an evocative sound, but I have not seen the 87's abroad yet....best regards...Mark
What a difference the digital remastering has made! It's night & day. Thank you for your time and effort in accomplishing this - much appreciated. Of course the content is pure magic as well, so many memories of when I stood on that same platform in the 70-90's.
I am most grateful for your appreciation and very kind comment, you are most welcome and I will try to keep up with the quality of remastering (eventually) all my archive material. My earliest visit to Glasgow was with my faithful old tape deck making sound recordings back in 1976 (which luckily I still have and am also preparing for audio placement on this channel in the near future...so many projects to complete it is a life time's work in progress......my best regards....Mark
That's a great view at 2:32 with the 47 and the 87 approaching. Only four coaches? Must have been the Glasgow portion of a train that divided at Carstairs, though the Glasgow section was usually longer than that
Hi Andrei...Yes I believe the train was from Manchester or Liverpool. It is hard now to confirm. I will have it on record on paper somewhere....best wishes....Mark
Aside from the obvious, what I like about this vid is that the sound is superb with no wind noise etc. Thanks for sharing this, it's really good. for what it's worth I found it whilst researching the coaching stock of the GLCen / Edin WAV - Euston services of 1986 for a scenario I'm writing for train simulator. Saving this vids into watch later - thanks - from a Freedom of Scotland vet. 1982 - 1989.
You're very welcome Chris, thank you for the kind feedback......I hope your TS Project/Scenario goes well, sounds very interesting as I have the Rail Sim, don't use it so much lately, but my best regards to you....Mark
Oh, happier times, variety and quality, so much better than today....
Most defenately, best wishes and thanks for the comment....Mark
What a cracking video. Thank you so much for posting it...
You are most welcome and appreciated....Mark
Great video, thankyou for uploading it.
No problem and many thanks for liking it, much appreciated....Mark
The guy walking on to the platform at 16:08 is a young fitter Allan Leadbeater, recently retired.
Brilliant film, thank you Mark.
legend says that man is still DROPPING THE BLOODY SPANNERS!!!
And they will continue to do so..........Best regards to you.....Mark
Sounds like scaffolding to me.
I like the low, dramatic camera angle. It gives the video the air of a 1960s heavy machinery documentary.
Many thanks John....much appreciated.....and have a good Christmas....Mark
Good to see my fav 87 loti sure miss them whines that use to make had 5000 miles of 87024
Much appreciated Julian Yes the familiar whine of their thyristors....Mark
In those times Railway Workers were credited with some sense, but it seems not to be nowadays.....many thanks for your interest Bob....Mark
and what a fascinating variety of DMUs! One set there was three different classes, in three different liveries!And I had no idea Cravens sets were still around in Glasgow then.
Probably approaching the end of their lives as electrification of lines around Glasgow were being done.....
Would I be correct in thinking that the short-formed rakes of air-conditioned Mk2s that we saw being hauled by electric locomotives were the Glasgow portions of cross-country services?
Very possible . Manchester or Liverpool perhaps ..... Many thanks for viewing Kevin.....Best regards...Mark
@@spompey I was thinking more along the lines of services to Poole; Bournemouth or the West Country, with loco changes at Birmingham New Street. One such was the "Wessex Scot", which at that time would have been made up of two portions - one from Edinburgh Waverley (hauled by a Class 47 as far as Carstairs Junction); the other from Glasgow Central (with an electric, which would take the complete train forward to Birmingham NS).
Yes of course the Poole services I completely overlooked these. As a driver on the Western at the time we worked these trains from "Brum" to Reading then a "Bomo" driver took them onto the Southern region and V.V. These were usually a rake of 6 - 8 coaches in a variety at the time of IC livery and CC and the B + G BR livery. Almost always 47 hauled, as you state as far as "Brum" As this video was shot in the morning it would have been too early for the "Wessex Scot " to arrive and Poole services too, but the departures could explain these diverse rakes....Many thanks Kevin....your interest is very much appreciated Best regards....Mark
Highly likely yes. Don't forget that,at the time,the section between Edinburgh and Carstairs wasn't electrified so diesel locos were needed for haulage.
Brilliant footage thanks for sharing this
You are most welcome Graham, many thanks.....Mark
My trainspotting days. I Miss them . I could afford to travel by rail in those days.
Many thanks for the comment Yes Train fares are outrageously expensive here, I drive everywhere nowadays.......best regards....Mark
It's a shame that the cost of travelling by train is so expensive these days, it's a lot cheaper to go by car. Also last year me and my partner went by train to York from Birmingham. It was the worse experience of train travel we ever had. We was on the class 220 train. The windows don't always line up with the seats. So couldn't see much out the window. If at all. Also the seats are to close to the ones in front. It felt claustrophobic. Not happy. That's put me off train travel more. It's a shame I have been a railway enthusiast all my life.
I agree entirely, the trains that run on the South Western are not too bad and are quite spacious , but I would never travel on these new high density little long haul units.....they are just so inadequate. The aim today is just to pack them in and make as much money as possible, how most businesses operate nowadays......many thanks for your comments Gazza B ...best regards and never let this modernisation put you off your enthusiasm for the railways.......Mark
I enjoy my model railway instead. I can run what trains I want. Depending on finances.
And no doubt what ever stock instead of these modern crammed in type....best regards....Mark
Being more used to diesels I always thought the 87s sounded almost alien; those old DMUs must have been on their last wheels and a great deal of effort must have been required to maintain them going by the number of scratch formations...
I think the 104 with the white cab roof is ex Buxton as this was a depot trademark. It's likely that the 105s went with the Kilmacolm line closure and the Ayr electrification, while the 104s and 120s were replaced by the Class 156s. I think the 120s had Albion engines made in Glasgow. Albion are still going, making truck and bus parts following a buyout from British Leyland.
Many thanks Daniel for the valuable historic info, very much appreciated and also for viewing...More archive from this era will follow waiting for a decent broadband speed still. Best regards to you....Mark
Looks like a few staff were using 81006 at the end as a lift in getting back to Polmadie depot........after that driver jumps on it soon accelerates away.1986 was a great time to for the blue and grey and executive livery mash ups....
Many thanks for your comment...yes they were good days...they did a similar thing with the worker bus from paddington to old oak common where they deputised a loco when the worker bus was out of action back in the 70s and 80s, normally a class 31 or 50.....what memories....best regards Mark
where would the train hauled by 87022 be arriving from, im interested because it was only 4 coaches and contained a scotrail mk2, Im sure that in 86, Scotrail liveried coaches would not have appeared in anglo-scottish rakes.
I will see if this working I have any record of, if not I suspect it is the Glasgow portion of either a Liverpool/Manchester to Glasgow and Edinburgh service which had split at carstairs Jn.. many thanks for your interest and much appreciated....Mark
Yes, I wondered that as well? They did appear sometimes in summer dated services to Blackpool, but that would not be timetabled in October. I thought perhaps it was an incoming ecs rake for a later Carlisle via Dumfries service?
It may well have originated from Polmadie but I believe it is in service as passengers (unless they're staff) can be seen on board, most likely an anglo-scottish with the rare scotrail coach, I am still trying to see if I can match this up with my records (now 32 yrs ago!!)...my best regards...Mark
I think ECS from Polmadie for a cross country service where it would of joined at Carstairs. The 87s where often doing ECS then running on to work a passenger service. I suspect that was a Glasgow-Penzance ECS or there was a Glasgow-Poole as well that ran in the late 80s. A lot of 87s would run fro Mossend or Coatbridge to Polmadie after working freightliners overnight then work services from Glasgow. Occasionally paired with 86/4s as well which could end up on 87 diagrams as well.
Many thanks Jackodon74, Your reply is the most likely answer, been through the timetable etc, and my records but do not seem to be able to get a definate working....best regards...Mark I will keep looking though....
Brilliant memories. Thanks for that .
You're very welcome Russell.....Mark
excellent video
Many thanks and much appreciated....Mark
Another cracking video, welldone. Loved seeing the old dmu's, I used to hate them when I was younger. Funny how we change as we age.
I bet the lookout man was shattered after working there, need eyes up your ass lol.
Great days, 85 to 95 my pway career.
Thanx for your time and effort loading .
That is the reason I upload these videos. To evoke old fond or bad memories .. I totally felt the same regards 1st Gen DMU's but now funny that I would travel miles to video one now.....Best wishes and thanks...Mark
@@spompey hi Mark, massive thank you for all your uploads, you have been a massive help with my Sanity during this lockdown. You and many others have helped me rekindle an old passion I thought was long gone.
Thank you for risking your health and safety, going out filming, to keep us entertained while we are locked away. You are a an essential worker. Please look after yourself, be safe. I know you're only 21 !!!lol Big Thanx to you and your son. 👍😎🍻
How much would it cost to build them locomotive back in the late 50s ?
In the first 10 mins AC electric + 4 coaches twice and AC + 5 coaches, acceleration must have been wild
Yes it was quite impressive, even when I used to work with the sleeper trains back in the late 70's and 80's with 16 coaches an 85 or 86 had no problem climbing Beattock and acceleration was parallel to any sprinter nowadays! sounds incredible but if you get to see the rare freightliner with an 86 hauling just see what ease it has pulling it's rake....much obliged to you and PS who needs this modern "creep" control?
Just love the noise of trains, proper trains!
Yes real trains with unique sounds. Many thanks Mary for enjoying, promise their are more old ones to come......Mark
When it still was a real station - and railwaymen were obliged to cross the tracks in the course of their work - they called it "the jungle."
great video, lots of 'proper' loco hauled trains! Dave
Many thanks Dave.............much appreciated....Mark
EXCELLENT !!!!
Many thanks very much appreciated.....Mark
Great video.
Many thanks John.....Mark
I take the Ayr line hadn’t been energised as the 3 and 6 car dmus are aplenty
Dear John Yes I believe you are correct as the electrification was completed in that September so the class 316 EMU's had not been fully introduced. Many thanks for the comment and for watching......best regards.....Mark
Great vid. Hate the messy look on.the front of the 87s with extra cables that were added.....lots of short rake movements only saw one 10 coach hauled express so I wonder why there were so many short portions........not even a buffet car as per the old Carstairs splitters/joiners.
Not sure why so many short rakes, maybe just due to the early time of day......best regards....Mark
Shame to think that getting from A to B as fast as possible is the reason we're stuck with these pointed nose units instead of loco hauled stock. We lost a lot of electric work around the late 80s.
Many thanks for the comment.....yes, the same happened nearly everywhere, certainly where I was based on the Western, only our replacements had the aerodynamics of a dinner plate.....best regards...Mark