It is beyond ironic (but not surprising) that a brand and publication that touts itself as speaking truth to power with headlines and titles like "Don't become a victim of audiophile wire fraud" uses AI to train and then steal thumbnails from fellow creators in an attempt to bolster its numbers. You stole our work for this video, and rather than come up with your own ideas, you simply changed the color, hoping others wouldn't notice. Disappointed you'd stoop this low.
I'm sorry that you feel that way. It took 20 seconds to generate a generic background used by numerous channels. It has my pose not yours, my text not yours. It was meant to be humorous since it's a comparison video and none of the content in this video is even remotely similar to yours.
@Audioholics, I'm sorry that you, as a publisher, failed to have an original idea and, as a result, used a computer to plagiarize another person's work. You have no idea the amount of effort that goes into every single thing that we do on our channel, including the thumbnails that are NOT generic but original works that I create from scratch because in my professional career prior to TH-cam, I was a Photoshop artist, which you already knew. The fact that you are doubling down on your actions speaks volumes.
It is more shocking to me that's not explained what's going on here. You can clearly see in the Horizontal frequency frequency response that these speakers are to go parallel to each other, straight into the room, and far apart from one another so you get a flat response @ 40 degrees toe out. So! you do not want to toe in these unless you want more treble presence. You do not want to sit in front of these speakers. However, it seems to me it is a reasoned and intentional decision to generate a specific sound dispersion off axis trying to compensate for losses of directivity off axis. If the reviewer toed the speakers in, he did not do himself a favour. Not saying this is the best solution or the way to go. I am just saying, with the few images with data on the video, there are interesting conclusions that can be drawn as to how you want to approach these boxes and set them up for a nice in room response. Also, not to mention, expensive speakers are for folks who can afford them. and wealth grows with age. So! , perhaps they are looking to provide older ears with more presence and energy in the room. It would make sense these deliver an expansive soundstage compared to a more controlled and narrow response. That's all. also, a bit of a dip on the presence region. These can have very nice depth. It looks to me a well tuned design, nothing was left to chance here. Not good on my room and application, but nothing wrong with them either. I like that horizontal response. Also, if the speakers were not located in the same exact spot in the room, the differences in bass response are much more driven by the room than by the speakers themselves. Disappointing review.
Andrew, and Gene, you two guys are highly respected in the audio world, and are above this tit for tat run around. Talk it out, and conclude the matter.
@peanutbutterjellyjam2179 I agree and my thumbnail was meant as fun tongue in cheek and did not expect that type of reaction from him and his wife. I will be changing it out later tonight to avoid further hard feelings.
For what it's worth, @peanutbutterjellyjam2179, I reached out privately to Gene via email this morning. After several hours, he replied, admitting to using my thumbnail to generate his own, and when I respectfully asked him to change it, he responded with "Welcome to TH-cam" and has since gone on to attack my review style and credibility here. Had he shown me an ounce of the respect I gave him, this never would have seen the light of day.
@andrewrobinsonreviews . Your emails and accusations and your wife's comments were not pleasant and this isn't the first time we've had dealings. I already said I'm changing out the thumbnails.
Shane a neutral linear frequency on a speaker doesn't necessarily transfer into transparency (i.e a clear sonic presentation without any coloration). I've auditioned Perlisten S and R speaker line ( Floorstanders, monitors and bookshelf). They excel at being very dynamic and being able to go to very high decibel peaks (above 105) without noticeable distortion. However, those are traits of world class Home Theater speakers, not necessarily world class hifi speakers. I can't comment on Yamaha speakers as I have no personal experience. They do have a reputation of being a good two channel hifi speaker. I can say that I've owned and heard speakers with better transparency, soundstage imaging, and dispersion charachteristics than any Perlisten. I did experience a wow demo of Perlisten S7T ($20K), but the caveat on the experience is that the front end (electronics) was $60K. Great speakers do indeed scale up with better components. Thanks Shane and Gene.
Never said they had clear sonic transparency. They're actually quite bland sounding. But people always like seeing that flat graph which makes it easy for comparisons.
I like Yamaha. I have a full suite of their Products including a B2 VFet amp, preamp, EQ and NS-670 speakers all from the 70s. Would love to have the NS-5000 but the price!!!
I never cared for Yamaha Speakers. That one they had back in the late 60s or early 70s shaped like an ear made really question their assessment of natural sound. The NS 1000 were super bright and had no bass. On the hand I have always use their receivers and amps.
You guys click-baited me! (But I'm highly susceptible and welcoming of it! Lol.) Having owned piano black Yamaha drums and pianos, I can attest to something about their piano black finish that's just mesmerizing. What a great pairing with the R-N2000A amp. Shane, here's $10 for a Carmel Cookie Crumble Frappuccino!🤣
@therealshanelee it's not about doing it like everyone else does. Don't take it the wrong way. It's about giving as much info / insight on a specific speaker to understand what it's merits and shortcomings are and for it to stand in its own, without knowing what the other speaker sounds like. If you keep referring to how it compares to the other one, that means that, In order to actually understand what your comparison means, you actually have to understand how the other one sound. This requires that you go and see the other review. More bass than X doesn't mean anything, unless you actually know how much (and how well defined) the other one sounds. If the perliston is a world champ in that regard. Then you come out of it thinking... Hmm, the Yamaha doesn't have good, or great bass. Yet it might be way up there, just not as good as the world champ you are comparing it to. It is not as helpful as it could be for a viewer in actually determining what the qualities and shortfalls of a specific speaker are. You either use many points of reference (if you are into this style of music, be aware that the low end is this, or if you are into this other style then you have to take that into account) or mostly none. Using only one becomes... A comparison, rather than a review. It's not meant as an attack. It's just feedback on what I got out of this review. Like I said, also, I own the speaker. I can't not be biased towards it. I don't object to your general opinion on it (I did tune the treble a bit down on my A-S2200 amp). It's just feedback on the style and why I think/feel it doesn't quite work as a review, but more so like a comparison. Which, by the way, is fine too. It's about setting expectations. 🙂
Rehashed thumbnail looks worse than the original my man. FR on this looks quite bad. Not sure why either party speaks fondly of this speaker. I will take their word for it, as I see no reason to listen to this design.
Look beautiful! Hopefully they will measure well. But I think KEF R11 Meta has both of them beat in the sound quality. Maybe not in bass but in clarity and detail the R11 might be superior.
@@Audioholics Overrated might be a bit harsh. Pricey is what comes to my mind. Depends on the model I suppose. Hard to fault their R lines, unless you can't stand linear response, which is what I find most haters have issues with.
@lgmediapcsalon9440 I've found some Kef speakers to be dynamically limited despite their linear response. Their really slim green active tower at Audio Advice Live sounded absolutely dreadful.
@ I'll take your word for it; the AH recap is +100min runtime. Maybe an issue was present on that particular set. Even then, many brands (most?) release a dud model once in a while. Thanks for your input! EDIT: found the kef segment in the recap, room issues maybe Gene said. Don loved the kefs he demoed at his home, despite lack of output, small bookshelves so yeah. No such thing as a perfect speaker ;)
It is beyond ironic (but not surprising) that a brand and publication that touts itself as speaking truth to power with headlines and titles like "Don't become a victim of audiophile wire fraud" uses AI to train and then steal thumbnails from fellow creators in an attempt to bolster its numbers. You stole our work for this video, and rather than come up with your own ideas, you simply changed the color, hoping others wouldn't notice. Disappointed you'd stoop this low.
Not a big fan of yours, but if what you are alleging did occur, I'm with you here.
I was kinda confused I thought it may have been a collaboration but looks like a it’s more of a scandal 😂
@@johnj596 It was not a collab.
I'm sorry that you feel that way. It took 20 seconds to generate a generic background used by numerous channels. It has my pose not yours, my text not yours. It was meant to be humorous since it's a comparison video and none of the content in this video is even remotely similar to yours.
@Audioholics, I'm sorry that you, as a publisher, failed to have an original idea and, as a result, used a computer to plagiarize another person's work. You have no idea the amount of effort that goes into every single thing that we do on our channel, including the thumbnails that are NOT generic but original works that I create from scratch because in my professional career prior to TH-cam, I was a Photoshop artist, which you already knew. The fact that you are doubling down on your actions speaks volumes.
That thumbnail looks very familiar
😮
At least he didn’t use the term “organic” when describing the sound. You have to give him that.
agree some of this terms are ridiculous !! snake oils
Musical is one of them
@ James, that might be the best example.
Creamy an other BS
Even with" holographic" I don't feel easy
He didn't talk about the 8dB peak in the >10kHz area. It's not a neutral speaker
@@Jayreviews2025 our written rev8ee discusses this in great detail. Click the link in the video description.
It is more shocking to me that's not explained what's going on here. You can clearly see in the Horizontal frequency frequency response that these speakers are to go parallel to each other, straight into the room, and far apart from one another so you get a flat response @ 40 degrees toe out. So! you do not want to toe in these unless you want more treble presence. You do not want to sit in front of these speakers. However, it seems to me it is a reasoned and intentional decision to generate a specific sound dispersion off axis trying to compensate for losses of directivity off axis.
If the reviewer toed the speakers in, he did not do himself a favour.
Not saying this is the best solution or the way to go. I am just saying, with the few images with data on the video, there are interesting conclusions that can be drawn as to how you want to approach these boxes and set them up for a nice in room response. Also, not to mention, expensive speakers are for folks who can afford them. and wealth grows with age. So! , perhaps they are looking to provide older ears with more presence and energy in the room. It would make sense these deliver an expansive soundstage compared to a more controlled and narrow response. That's all.
also, a bit of a dip on the presence region. These can have very nice depth. It looks to me a well tuned design, nothing was left to chance here. Not good on my room and application, but nothing wrong with them either. I like that horizontal response.
Also, if the speakers were not located in the same exact spot in the room, the differences in bass response are much more driven by the room than by the speakers themselves.
Disappointing review.
He does say that the treble is a bit hot around 5:30 mark.
How about the Yamaha NS-5000? Nobody has reviewed them in North America.
Looks beautiful..: not sure the value of there but want to hear it in person
Get these over to Erin for a full shakedown please!
We did a full shakedown w measurements in the written review linked in the video description.
@@Audioholics That reply was handled way better then I would have lol
Or send them to Danny Ritchie and get a professional opion.😊
@@BillDouglass-m9d Bruh 🤣
😂@@BillDouglass-m9d
Gr8 review guys, thanks.
How about reviewing the older budget NS line from YAMAHA ?
NS-555, NS-333 & NS-444 🤔
Andrew, and Gene, you two guys are highly respected in the audio world, and are above this tit for tat run around. Talk it out, and conclude the matter.
@peanutbutterjellyjam2179 I agree and my thumbnail was meant as fun tongue in cheek and did not expect that type of reaction from him and his wife. I will be changing it out later tonight to avoid further hard feelings.
For what it's worth, @peanutbutterjellyjam2179, I reached out privately to Gene via email this morning. After several hours, he replied, admitting to using my thumbnail to generate his own, and when I respectfully asked him to change it, he responded with "Welcome to TH-cam" and has since gone on to attack my review style and credibility here. Had he shown me an ounce of the respect I gave him, this never would have seen the light of day.
@andrewrobinsonreviews . Your emails and accusations and your wife's comments were not pleasant and this isn't the first time we've had dealings. I already said I'm changing out the thumbnails.
Shane a neutral linear frequency on a speaker doesn't necessarily transfer into transparency (i.e a clear sonic presentation without any coloration). I've auditioned Perlisten S and R speaker line ( Floorstanders, monitors and bookshelf). They excel at being very dynamic and being able to go to very high decibel peaks (above 105) without noticeable distortion. However, those are traits of world class Home Theater speakers, not necessarily world class hifi speakers. I can't comment on Yamaha speakers as I have no personal experience. They do have a reputation of being a good two channel hifi speaker. I can say that I've owned and heard speakers with better transparency, soundstage imaging, and dispersion charachteristics than any Perlisten. I did experience a wow demo of Perlisten S7T ($20K), but the caveat on the experience is that the front end (electronics) was $60K. Great speakers do indeed scale up with better components. Thanks Shane and Gene.
Never said they had clear sonic transparency. They're actually quite bland sounding. But people always like seeing that flat graph which makes it easy for comparisons.
I like Yamaha. I have a full suite of their Products including a B2 VFet amp, preamp, EQ and NS-670 speakers all from the 70s. Would love to have the NS-5000 but the price!!!
The perlisten looks like a Dynaudio speaker looks good !!
2:01 It's only 38Hz at 1;34. At 2;17 there is a low of 25Hz.
There's also too much f word in that song used casually imo
I never cared for Yamaha Speakers. That one they had back in the late 60s or early 70s shaped like an ear made really question their assessment of natural sound. The NS 1000 were super bright and had no bass. On the hand I have always use their receivers and amps.
Is this Perlisten comparison?
Unfortunately, for me, this video was over in 20 seconds. (because of the price not because of anything I just read in the comments before this edit.)
You guys click-baited me! (But I'm highly susceptible and welcoming of it! Lol.) Having owned piano black Yamaha drums and pianos, I can attest to something about their piano black finish that's just mesmerizing. What a great pairing with the R-N2000A amp. Shane, here's $10 for a Carmel Cookie Crumble Frappuccino!🤣
thanks for the superchat. I owe Shane Lee a Frappuccino ;)
I'm thirsty.
You should test these speakers with Yamaha 3200 amp or 5000 pre and power amp to get full quality.
Look at Yamaha. Let’s go. 😂
Have them, love them. Is this a review or a comparison? Sorry to say, but this is a really weird way of reviewing a speaker.
Next time we'll do it like everyone else does.
@therealshanelee it's not about doing it like everyone else does. Don't take it the wrong way.
It's about giving as much info / insight on a specific speaker to understand what it's merits and shortcomings are and for it to stand in its own, without knowing what the other speaker sounds like.
If you keep referring to how it compares to the other one, that means that, In order to actually understand what your comparison means, you actually have to understand how the other one sound. This requires that you go and see the other review. More bass than X doesn't mean anything, unless you actually know how much (and how well defined) the other one sounds. If the perliston is a world champ in that regard. Then you come out of it thinking... Hmm, the Yamaha doesn't have good, or great bass. Yet it might be way up there, just not as good as the world champ you are comparing it to.
It is not as helpful as it could be for a viewer in actually determining what the qualities and shortfalls of a specific speaker are.
You either use many points of reference (if you are into this style of music, be aware that the low end is this, or if you are into this other style then you have to take that into account) or mostly none. Using only one becomes... A comparison, rather than a review.
It's not meant as an attack. It's just feedback on what I got out of this review. Like I said, also, I own the speaker. I can't not be biased towards it. I don't object to your general opinion on it (I did tune the treble a bit down on my A-S2200 amp). It's just feedback on the style and why I think/feel it doesn't quite work as a review, but more so like a comparison. Which, by the way, is fine too. It's about setting expectations. 🙂
@@astroman269 everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion. Thanks for sharing! 👍
*they're
cool
Those speakers have no chance of selling.
Rehashed thumbnail looks worse than the original my man. FR on this looks quite bad. Not sure why either party speaks fondly of this speaker. I will take their word for it, as I see no reason to listen to this design.
No.
Look beautiful! Hopefully they will measure well. But I think KEF R11 Meta has both of them beat in the sound quality. Maybe not in bass but in clarity and detail the R11 might be superior.
Kef is an overrated brand, IMO. It's best if you listen and decide for yourself if you have that option.
@@Audioholics Overrated might be a bit harsh. Pricey is what comes to my mind. Depends on the model I suppose. Hard to fault their R lines, unless you can't stand linear response, which is what I find most haters have issues with.
@lgmediapcsalon9440 I've found some Kef speakers to be dynamically limited despite their linear response. Their really slim green active tower at Audio Advice Live sounded absolutely dreadful.
@@AudioholicsThe R and especially the Reference series have better dynamic range. Erin, Amir loved them .. but you can ask mr Poes what he thinks.
@ I'll take your word for it; the AH recap is +100min runtime. Maybe an issue was present on that particular set. Even then, many brands (most?) release a dud model once in a while. Thanks for your input! EDIT: found the kef segment in the recap, room issues maybe Gene said. Don loved the kefs he demoed at his home, despite lack of output, small bookshelves so yeah. No such thing as a perfect speaker ;)
My lights are off when I’m watching movies , why should I care what they look like?
😂savage. Yu speak like an angry blind man .
You should care when the lights are on.
@@Audioholics That’s just vanity!
I cannot agree with your comment. A speakers looks is very important to me.
@@JR-ho5qm If by looks you mean build quality I agree, if you mean how pretty it is , doesn’t matter to me.
Yamaha speaker looks way better than Perlisten. How do this Yamaha compare to Focal Aria Evo 3?