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@@Rodrigo-kq3js The free hats were early when TF2 came out. I have been playing TF2 since it was part of the orange box. I guess once hats became a collectors item and an in game economy was built around them, its not the same anymore. I used to just give away items, hats, and stuff when my backpack was full. I never got into the TF2 economy.
@@botondzoltannagy8849 From the TF2 Wiki: "Robin Walker joked during the TF2 Mix-Up Match 4 that "[Notch] doesn't know, but it makes him take 20% extra damage" when asked about the reason for giving Notch the hat."
@@NamekJedi if scout is wearing the alien isolation set they do more melee damage against pyros wearing the mk50 and has the nostomo napalmer while the pyro does more damage with the flamethrower against scouts wearing the full set
A pryo running around with three unusuals equipped definitely has an advantage. As long as their computer is good, everyone else is going to be lagging like crazy near him.
All the items that produce noise while moving are kind of a downside. Of course, that's if your in a small map where you can always see the person your fighting and know where they are. When you're facing off a good opponent, in a map that allows you to move around without running into each other, man it's scary just to hear that fucking jingling and not know where the fuck it's coming from.
Unusuals are strange and Bad. Because they dont fit TF2 Artstyle. Also Unusuals are fortunately rare so its not big issue. Simply unusual effects can be lazy for the price you pay not to mention its only 1% Chance to get one. I am not biggest Fan of Unusuals but hey i speak as Generous F2P that got hat as gift. I dont really mind if someone has hat or cosmetic because as long as IT has artstyle its ok, it also helps differentiate players and more unique looks. I use Coldsnap Cap and Mercenary Badge and thats all i need. Simply i dont want to be complex i just want to make feel that i am your friendly neighbor that tries to help you when you struggle. No need for something else. Also Pyro with this cap while simple still look generous at least for me. Because you get bored when your Factory new type of player and everyone looks down on you as loser, i am saying looks doesnt matter all that matters who you really are as person. So even with simplest design i still feel unique. Edit: This wasnt meant as hate comment towards hats or unusuals, its just my opninion, so take IT with grain of salt. So be generous and dont make people total numnuts, i dont hate anyone even if He has expensive hat or cheap one.
dude how could you forget to mention the absolutely busted item set for sniper where when you equip the fruit shoot and huntsman together, you decrease hunger chance by 13%???
Definitely felt like it was time to buy myself a flat cap, some driving gloves and a nose hair trimmer when I realised these were removed *7 years ago* now
I joined tf2 as a whole right as the jungle inferno update happened, or maaaaybe a little before. Halloween 2017? Can't recall for sure. I didn't know about the set bonuses either, but it's an idea that could be interesting when done right.
*IMPORTANT NOTE: These hats could ALSO be earned from drops, and even had their own craft recipes.* People have rightly pointed out that I only mention the hats could be bought and didn't mention the other methods. I absolutely agree I should have made this clearer in the video rather than just use suggestive language like "could also be bought" which doesn't tell the full story to people who are not familiar with item drops or crafting. Sorry about that! If anyone watched and got the impression these hats could *only* be bought with money then please send a digital slap my way. This doesn't change my feelings about pay-to-win potential. Buying from the store was still the quickest method of obtaining the hats, and the fact that buying stat changing items with money *was an option at all* was what I consider the issue. I'm not trying to imply they were straight up broken or overpowered beyond imagination, I just wanted to highlight the fact when discussing the topic of hats-that-change-your-stats that any objectively stat increasing (even just a little bit) item that can be paid for is contentious and was therefore - balance complications aside - rightfully removed from the game.
You can also buy stat changing items from the store like the phlogistinator, or jarate, and thats also the quickest way to obtain any item in particular that you are unwilling to trade or craft for some reason. And Ive probably commented it 3 times by now but these sets were really lackluster so calling them pay 2 win is ridiculously overstated, especially when buying hats from the mann co store is the least common way people get their hats
@@JarrettMvM You sound like you've never known the joy of sniper vs sniper on 2Fort but your enemy can just leave for respawn while you reload, gets to the charge level needed to fatal bodyshot you and can aim for your gut so the damage flinch of shooting first won't make him miss.
@@Jaffersin I understand there are instances where the sets are functional, but the bulk of my gameplay, and probably most others peoples isn't on exclusively 2fort trying to 1v1 snipers. You could make a case for several weapons being better than their counterparts on specific maps in specific situations, the FaN is really good on the roller coaster on upward for example, or the machina in the vent on turbine.
@@Jaffersin You were not unbeatable by any stretch of the imagination. One buff from a medic completely nullifies the Sleepers max damage, second scoping has always been a good method at throwing a sniper off, and leaving a sniper at 1 health isn't going to leave him able to kill you afterwards a good 99% of the time. For a while they consolidated the whole set into just the danger shield and that was way more problematic than the set, and you saw that on many more maps than 2fort.
"YoU fOrGoT tHe IsOlAtEd MeRc AnD iSoLaTiOnIsT pAcK" These two sets certainly are cool and *do* indeed change stats based on cosmetics being worn - and are even still in the game today! But of course, they react very specifically with each other and each other only, so therefore don't make you stronger (or toe the line of being pay-to-win) in the same way as the sets this video talks about. Thanks for watching everyone, see you in the next one
You're right! I probably could have squeezed that information in for completeness, to be honest. But the point I was ultimately trying to make was you could fast track yourself to being more powerful with money if you wanted to. A lot of games have power increasing mechanics that you *technically* earn in game without money, but are usually locked behind either randomness or a grind. Sure, TF2 let you craft them directly, but you still hat to earn or play long enough to get the materials. The quicker and 0 effort method was to buy them outright.
@@Casperr Trading was around as well, I remember getting these easily without spending anything. Your video made it sound like they could only be obtained through the Mann.Co Store, this is information that shouldn't be left out of a video like this.
@@Casperr Fast tracking yourself to being more powerful is a huge stretch, the sets weren't insane and the only one I would say didn't really compromise for the benefit was the Gas Jockey one, the rest of the polycount sets used specific unlocks that were lackluster, and had what I would describe as a different, not better, effect on your character. Again, minus the gas jockey since movement speed is pretty nuts and the degreaser was too good for a long time.
@@TanniMachine The set wasn't bad but you wouldn't suddenly become a better spy if you had the saharan spy set. This is a pre buff YER we're talkin about, not the easiest knife to use even with silent cloak
"The 2017 Jungle Inferno update" Holy shit. I didn't realize how long it's been. Next year will be the 15th anniversary of TF2. Time's flying too fast.
P2W, ignoring the fact that you could craft the hats for each of these sets. After spending hours grinding away for a hat, only to have Valve take the buff away from me a week later. That was a massive slap in the face and I didn't play TF2 for a couple of years.
Gas Jockey wasn’t balanced at all, competitively it was the ideal set and every single pyro in high level was basically required to run it. Movement speed is so incredibly powerful that the downside is negligible
I would agree today but back then the Axtinguisher+Degreaser was so strong that even competitive Pyros used it to secure kills (most flamethrowers were just very underpowered).
@@matchanavi Damage never was the role of the pyro back then, neither was securing kills. At least back then, it was an assist role with the ability to punish enemy mistakes. It could freely rotate between the combo and flank, and was expected to in order to perform. While an axetinguisher kill was very powerful, it was very rare to find yourself in that situation and the opportunity cost of the speed bonus was so great that you’d rarely find pyros not using it. Source: played Highlander at a platinum level for many years, including pre-set days, set days, and post-set days.
@@JoyTheDataScientist Well in casual, the degreaser axetinguisher combo was good since the skill level was lower, so it’s easier to pull off the combo.
people also forget that this set still allowed you to run flare gun which imo was really what made it OP, you could still dunk on spies / scouts and if the puff n sting combo wasnt enough you could finish with a 65 damage powerjack melee which ALSO healed for 75 hp ignoring overheal. axtinguisher isnt needed unless youre trying to kill a heavy which is a stupid idea in highlander because hes almost always with the combo. you can also still combo medics. 90 flare gun dmg + 65 melee dmg + burn damage.
it was literally only early last year when i finally got over the muscle memory to just full charge bodyshot a sniper wearing the crocodile hat lol, i wold just see that hat and bodyshot
oh yeah, personal fun fact as a shiny hat wearing pyro. theres a very noticable difference when I wear my usual loadout or full stock with my unusuals: -my teammates wont spycheck me as often, but also quickly identify when theres a clone of me. -enemies play more safe than usual -medics trust that I'll make use of their ubers. -enemies target me more often, seen as a clear threat. when I go full stock: -I get spychecked way more. -enemies feel more confident in taking risks -enemies feel more insulted to die agaisnt me -medics will overheal me after seeing me at the top of the scoreboard but would rather uber the hat wearing power class No difference: -medics tend to not pocket me -soldiers respect the threat of an airblast after previous encounters so its a game of attention, less attention is useful for some situations, more attention is actually handy in others. its an interesting dynamic to explore really, you think cosmetics can be pointless greed, but deep down most people will be distracted and their choices influenced by their appearance. in any game really, they all affect gameplay a little.
no shit if you see a man wielding a golden weapon and a glowing effect on his expensive looking hat and paired misc cosmetics, you'd think hes good at the game since nobody has so much money to spend on something they dont enjoy
@@thechanglongwang For some reason, I notice kind of an opposite effect with myself. Maybe an unconscious thought is like "If he is spending so much on a game, maybe he's trying to appear better than he is". Anyway, in the beginning, before figuring out the favorites, I usually end up ubering someone with cheap or no cosmetics.
There’s actually still two cosmetics that have effects: the alien for scout and the space suit for soldier the effect is they do more damage to the opposite cosmetic
I actually questioned myself why it did, but realized that while it was weaker, the Mad Milk would just let a good scout destroy you since it gave back health for all your damage.
I mean, it wasn't entirely pay to win. While you could just buy the hat, you could also trade items you got from free drops with other players for the hat you want. Trading sites and servers made this even easier, and it's what got me to try the trading mechanic and have loads of fun with it.
Cosmetic quirks for set bonuses would be nice. Things like the tombstones, or like how the Spycicle freezes enemies. Lotsa fun to be had with both your own and enemy deaths. Hibernating Bear heavies could just go to sleep instead of "dying" from most things, or something.
@@Sammysapphiragas jockey was meta, the spy one was absurd with dead ringer, Sniper one was excellent support with immunity to headshots. Scout with +25 HP and pre-nerfed versions of mad milk and shortstop were unkillable. Do you even know what objective means? It means not your stupid opinion but a verifiable fact. At most you can say they were subjectively situational for some but Pyro one was just the best by far
I remember this way too clearly. I was a teenager and I had been trying for months to make enough scrap to buy the spy's fez (I always traded for my items, I didn't have money to buy them) to get the benefit of the less audible cloak. When I finally got it and went to try it out, it felt like it wasn't working. Turns out valve removed the effect the same day I finally got the fez. I mean, its a good thing this p2w element has been removed, but I guess what I'm saying is if it wasn't there in the first place I wouldn't have had to save for it just to sell it at a lower price because the fez dropped in price after the nerf.
The only advantage a hat would give you is a psychological factor that isn't programmed into the game and really isn't Valve's fault. People tend to naturally be more intimidated by someone with fancy unusuals and cosmetics than someone with a mann co. cap or nothing at all.
This video makes me so nostalgic for my first days on TF2. Back when the game was newly Free To Play, and the Dead Ringer made spy effectively invincible. Also the production quality of these videos are getting petty top notch. Well done!
I remember when hats actually changed the size of your head's hitbox, making you an easier target for snipers. Was most noticeable with the HHHM Head and Gibus, funny enough.
When I got into TF2 in 2016, I went hard into these sets and didn't even know about bonuses/them not even existing anymore. Even got an unusual Grenadiers Softcap at some point.
There is actually still one stat-changing cosmetic set in existence today - the Nostromo Napalmer (Space Marine) Pyro vs. the Isolationist (Xenomorph) Scout. When wearing all of the items mutually (both players need to wear the respective set). If this happens, the Scout does extra melee damage to the Pyro and the Pyro's flamethrower does extra damage to the Scout. ...It seems a bit weighted against the Scout. ^^;
I remember crafting the hat for the special delivery set, so proud to be able to take advantage of the set without paying money. I already liked the weapons it used, and the fish had the extra quirk of revealing when a spy dead ringer-ed.
Man, I loved using the Gas Jockey Attendant set back in the day. I definitely was more prone to death if used offensively, considering the lower fire damage the Degreaser had with the 10% bullet damage increase, but chasing down spies :) It was also quite good for other game modes like Prophunt and Versus Saxton Hale/Freak Fortress 2.
Scout’s delivery set, 25+ more health No double jump Tank buster 20% Sentry resistance 20% Less damage against sentries Jockey gear 10+ Movement speed 5% more air blast cost Croc skit Cannot get head shotted damage limited to 110 Saran spy or what ever No cloak sounds Cannot disguise
Hey Casperr! I remember once someone mentioned a thing about Self Made keys in the Kritzkast Discord and you responded that you might make a video on glitched items all together. It'll be really interesting to see a video on that. have a great day :)
I mean, the pyrovision goggles and all hats/items that enabled it were banned in comp because the pyrovision was bugged letting you see through things you originally wouldn't, so basically hats still give you a advantage
Great video, was a fun trip down memory lane. Only things I would've liked to see in the video would've been an audio comparison to really showcase how quiet the Dead Ringer got with the Fez Spy loadout, cause otherwise people who weren't around at the time really wouldn't have much of an idea on how quiet the Dead Ringer actually got with the set it, it's crazy.
Honestly, if it wasn't for the inclusion of cosmetics in the set bonuses, sets and their bonuses would be both really cool and a good way of introducing people to new weapon combos they may not use otherwise.
The reduced decloak noise was fun to work with and the downside of no disguises was supposed to be the biggest downside. The fact your eternal reward just didn't get reduced noise, while the pyro still got to keep the speed bonus and so on was really lame.
Shortstop was so good day 1 before they nerfed the reload speed, due to overall dps being good. Even then after the reload nerf, players argued it was still really good due to the scout being able to kite at medium range with it instead of the higher risk scattergun up close fight. This made scout vs soldier match up now heavily in scout's favor.
There is actually a hat that still has stat changes The top notch, an item exclusive to notch, creator of minecraft It has a hidden stat that gives 20% damage vulnerability
You kind of needed to mention that the danger shield used to retain a little bit if that old set. As anyone who played before JI knows, resistance on top of the health bonus infamously made it impossible to kill this sniper from full with a quickscope. I'd be willing to bet that the reduced cloak volume was meant to help the spy get around what was once the worst part of the YER -- getting that first disguise. All you have is your watch, so making it harder for your foes to hear that was decent. The rework to the knife didn't add that old stat in, but it did remove the need for it by giving you your first disguise for free.
(cue angry Sniper raging in chat because two Hoovies named "First Banana" and "Second Banana" are eating Second Bananas while wearing Potassium Bonnets named "Third Bananas")
Honestly item sets could be a cool idea but instead of a weapon and some hats it should be all 3 weapon slots, like Soda Popper, Bonk and The Atomizer would give some extra movement related buff or something, idk why valve was just like “yeah let’s just make this turn you into god if you have this hat on”
Tbh, I actually kinda want some set bonuses to come back into the game, but only without hats being necessary. And making Sniper any more of a pain in the rear to deal with.
Honestly? I'd be all down with set bonuses coming back, provided that they require no hats and have the bonus be "balanced". It'd promote combos with weapons that don't often get the light of day, who knows, maybe it'd even mix up the meta, shaking pub-stompers to the bone. I'm sure it's possible, considering it'd *need* to be in the source code to work in-game. Maybe we could get a community server with the things. wishful thinking. fun video.
Because of this video, I went and bought The Attendant, the Grenadier's Softcap, Familiar Fez, Ol' Snaggletooth, and a random Rock-Paper-Scissors taunt to go with it. I will put these to use.
You cant just bring up the Demo, Heavy and Medic set and then not tell us what kind of stats they gave you, just because they werent bound to hats. That annoyed me quite a bit. Otherwise, good Video!
Honestly I kinda miss some of the set bonuses, I kinda wish they kept them but removed the hat requirement. Having a silent decloak with the dead ringer actually made the your eternal reward worth using beyond just the meme.
There's also a specific cosmetic set that also gives a very specific advantage over two classes. If the Pyro is using the Nostromo Napalmer, alongside with the Alien Isolation helmet, it will deal 20% more damage against Scouts that are using the Xenomorph cosmetic set, and the Scouts using the set will deal 20% more damage in melee against Pyros wearing the Nostromo and helmet.
I honestly hate how ridiculously nerfed every weapon is in today's tf2... every single weapon apart from the stock ones has a negative status, and in my opinion most of them are so useless that only the stock weapons are viable...
Honestly, if they changed the shortstop to have some sort of on-wearer model, it'd be neat to have a health bonus, and might prove it as a mid-range nuisance kinda thing.
As a former Saharan Spy, it was an extremely heartwarming gameplay because everybody started being unprepared for Spies like in 2007. I didn't have a chance to play the game in 2007 so this was a great experience.
The Spy set forced people to get good with Your Eternal Reward. Combine that with a silent Dead Ringer decloak? Oh man, that was probably one of the most busted combos lmao. The others weren't THAT noticable. They were fun as hell on 10x servers tho, the Pyro running like Usain Bolt always made me laugh Nice video! It was great to remember this sets!
i could understand "oh these 3 items together do this!" with a minor upgrade like +25% shooting speed but then you have a downside like a little less hp or something, like black box, concherer, and escape plan, but having some items and a cosmetic have no downsides and a upside? is crazy. at that point id assume every valve employee working on tf2 did a bag of crack
Shortstop is a downgrade in every way possible, less damage, less ammo, less range, Only upside is higher fire rate and faster reload. Pistol is better than milk and 25 hp is nothing.
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You forgor about the alien set for scout
don't look at the tv emoji don't look at the tv emoji don't look at the crewm-
But I got one
@@dr0pinNYC 😊😊
I still get horrific flashbacks when I see a sniper wearing the snaggletooth.
what hat is that? i cant rememmber well
@@delta7380 sniper's crocodile hat.
you were already dead
Beating another sniper to the punch only for them to survive anyway was so frustrating. So glad they changed the danger shield.
@@Overcrox it was a pain but if they were crutching with the shield they were usually easy kills anyway
I remember those years. I had recently started playing TF2 and I remember grinding the game for the milkman scout
I still play using the saharan spy set. I never paid money for the hat, just got it randomly.
@@Rodrigo-kq3js The free hats were early when TF2 came out. I have been playing TF2 since it was part of the orange box. I guess once hats became a collectors item and an in game economy was built around them, its not the same anymore. I used to just give away items, hats, and stuff when my backpack was full. I never got into the TF2 economy.
You still get random hat drops. They're just rare and random. You could get 3 in a week or none in 3 years - it's just dumb luck!
@@Rodrigo-kq3js You can still craft every hat from the sets, each has its own recipe to craft them.
@@Casperr Dude, they can be crafted. Not even a random chance, they all have a craft recipe. That's not even a new thing.
“Hat collecting war themed shooter”
I think you mean war shooter themed hat collector.
War themed hat simulator
@@luka9967 No, hat simulator implies you’re the hat
@@tuxedobird you aren't a hat wearing a mercenary?!?!
@@Bob-bs9ok No you’re a hat using a mercenary mech.
This and the pinned comments correction means this guy isn't pro
The funniest thing to me is that the Hat the TF team gave to Notch has a secret downside which makes him take 20% more damage
Really? I never knew that.
@@botondzoltannagy8849 From the TF2 Wiki:
"Robin Walker joked during the TF2 Mix-Up Match 4 that "[Notch] doesn't know, but it makes him take 20% extra damage" when asked about the reason for giving Notch the hat."
Notch?
@@ajminadhimi8985 Person who made Minecraft
He originally asked for the hat because nobody believed it was really him, and called him fake.
The only one that exists is the effects you get when wearing the xenomorph set for scout and the alien isolation set for pyro
That’s fair enough, since it requires someone on the opposite team to wear the opposite of the set.
Technically not a buff but if the saharan set still gives you the taunt
What are the effects? I tried looking it up, but I couldn't find anything.
@@NamekJedi if scout is wearing the alien isolation set they do more melee damage against pyros wearing the mk50 and has the nostomo napalmer while the pyro does more damage with the flamethrower against scouts wearing the full set
@@pixelpusher2219 ohh, that's pretty cool. Thanks.
A pryo running around with three unusuals equipped definitely has an advantage. As long as their computer is good, everyone else is going to be lagging like crazy near him.
who are you, so wise in the ways of tf2?
@@miguelguedes3411 Yeah. I had that happen in a game. Getting close to the guy or looking in his direction tanked my frames.
as long as you have a half decent pc and are using a basic proformance config you should be fine.
Use the no hats mod
@@DaRippa58
Oh no! Apathy towards my cosmetics! My only weakness!
(melts into a pile of keys and refined metal)
Would the scout's elf jingle shoes count as pay to lose?
Probably.
Are they banned on competitive because of spies disguise not making noises?
Same with unusuals tbh, especially on snipers, it makes you easier to spot
I find that using the jingle is really good in highlander because you can distract opponents by making loud footsteps.
All the items that produce noise while moving are kind of a downside.
Of course, that's if your in a small map where you can always see the person your fighting and know where they are.
When you're facing off a good opponent, in a map that allows you to move around without running into each other, man it's scary just to hear that fucking jingling and not know where the fuck it's coming from.
It sure is easier to spot a sniper when he's wearing a glowing unusual.
Unusuals are strange and Bad. Because they dont fit TF2 Artstyle.
Also Unusuals are fortunately rare so its not big issue.
Simply unusual effects can be lazy for the price you pay not to mention its only 1% Chance to get one.
I am not biggest Fan of Unusuals but hey i speak as Generous F2P that got hat as gift. I dont really mind if someone has hat or cosmetic because as long as IT has artstyle its ok, it also helps differentiate players and more unique looks.
I use Coldsnap Cap and Mercenary Badge and thats all i need. Simply i dont want to be complex i just want to make feel that i am your friendly neighbor that tries to help you when you struggle. No need for something else. Also Pyro with this cap while simple still look generous at least for me. Because you get bored when your Factory new type of player and everyone looks down on you as loser, i am saying looks doesnt matter all that matters who you really are as person. So even with simplest design i still feel unique.
Edit:
This wasnt meant as hate comment towards hats or unusuals, its just my opninion, so take IT with grain of salt.
So be generous and dont make people total numnuts, i dont hate anyone even if He has expensive hat or cheap one.
@@KL53986 dude you actually wrote a whole essay on why unusuals are bad. Reconsider your life decisions.
@@KL53986 they hated him,for he told the truth
@@KL53986 what
Then i am a glowing beast.
back when these sets were in the game, I remember using the soldier’s on a 10 or 100x server and healing from standing in sentry fire. fun times.
x10 applied those bonuses to weapons instead of sets, the black box by itself did that already
dude how could you forget to mention the absolutely busted item set for sniper where when you equip the fruit shoot and huntsman together, you decrease hunger chance by 13%???
I have brought great shame upon my name
so op, always losing hunger from sprinting too much
the fruit shoot also used to give you 5 hunger per second
And the medic mystery finding set?
I love the aesthetic of the video being on a contractor. That's really cool.
AKA: the only time Valve said "Oh god, I think we've fucked up. We need to fix this"
Cs:go would like a word with you
Naw valve does this for every game often.
@@fnutek3720 yeah, often
mostly just bad players never wanting to git gud in a party arena shooter game, and blaming items instead
@JoshButterballs cope harder, valvedrone.
I still remember trading Earbuds for a Familiar Fez, and how painful it was to use Your Eternal Reward.
I always combined YER with Cloak & Dagger. Some of the most fun I've had as a spy.
Get good
Familiar fez is 10 cents and earbuds are worth alot more than that, especially back in the day when they were used as a currency.
I loved the old your eternal reward.
@@lpschannel3177 Earbuds aren't used as currency anymore?
Funny enough i talked with my discord members about this not long ago and not every one knew about it
Haha we are getting old
Definitely felt like it was time to buy myself a flat cap, some driving gloves and a nose hair trimmer when I realised these were removed *7 years ago* now
We getting old but not that old the game will survive for how many years
I joined tf2 as a whole right as the jungle inferno update happened, or maaaaybe a little before. Halloween 2017? Can't recall for sure. I didn't know about the set bonuses either, but it's an idea that could be interesting when done right.
@@Casperr Lion King was released closer to the moon landing than to present day
Why you gotta do me like that
*IMPORTANT NOTE: These hats could ALSO be earned from drops, and even had their own craft recipes.*
People have rightly pointed out that I only mention the hats could be bought and didn't mention the other methods. I absolutely agree I should have made this clearer in the video rather than just use suggestive language like "could also be bought" which doesn't tell the full story to people who are not familiar with item drops or crafting. Sorry about that! If anyone watched and got the impression these hats could *only* be bought with money then please send a digital slap my way.
This doesn't change my feelings about pay-to-win potential. Buying from the store was still the quickest method of obtaining the hats, and the fact that buying stat changing items with money *was an option at all* was what I consider the issue. I'm not trying to imply they were straight up broken or overpowered beyond imagination, I just wanted to highlight the fact when discussing the topic of hats-that-change-your-stats that any objectively stat increasing (even just a little bit) item that can be paid for is contentious and was therefore - balance complications aside - rightfully removed from the game.
You can also buy stat changing items from the store like the phlogistinator, or jarate, and thats also the quickest way to obtain any item in particular that you are unwilling to trade or craft for some reason.
And Ive probably commented it 3 times by now but these sets were really lackluster so calling them pay 2 win is ridiculously overstated, especially when buying hats from the mann co store is the least common way people get their hats
@@JarrettMvM You sound like you've never known the joy of sniper vs sniper on 2Fort but your enemy can just leave for respawn while you reload, gets to the charge level needed to fatal bodyshot you and can aim for your gut so the damage flinch of shooting first won't make him miss.
@@Jaffersin I understand there are instances where the sets are functional, but the bulk of my gameplay, and probably most others peoples isn't on exclusively 2fort trying to 1v1 snipers.
You could make a case for several weapons being better than their counterparts on specific maps in specific situations, the FaN is really good on the roller coaster on upward for example, or the machina in the vent on turbine.
@@JarrettMvM Being virtually unbeatable in a sniper 1v1 was kind of a big deal in general but yes.
@@Jaffersin You were not unbeatable by any stretch of the imagination. One buff from a medic completely nullifies the Sleepers max damage, second scoping has always been a good method at throwing a sniper off, and leaving a sniper at 1 health isn't going to leave him able to kill you afterwards a good 99% of the time.
For a while they consolidated the whole set into just the danger shield and that was way more problematic than the set, and you saw that on many more maps than 2fort.
"YoU fOrGoT tHe IsOlAtEd MeRc AnD iSoLaTiOnIsT pAcK"
These two sets certainly are cool and *do* indeed change stats based on cosmetics being worn - and are even still in the game today! But of course, they react very specifically with each other and each other only, so therefore don't make you stronger (or toe the line of being pay-to-win) in the same way as the sets this video talks about.
Thanks for watching everyone, see you in the next one
Will do!
Ok
You didn't mention that these could be crafted easily with Metal and a Set Weapon, pretty much making it accessible to anyone without paying.
@@TAPbagan Ah yes because when i think of an easy way to get something specific i think of the crafting system
@@clawz161 Its had a crafting recipe, Four Refined Metal and the set weapons made a hat. It was easy to craft.
I remember back when the shortstop would share a ammo pool with your pistol, god i feel old
Haha pistol ammo = shotgun pellets go BAM BAM
Has it really been that long ago?
I literally just learned earlier today that it doesn't anymore.
Not mentioned in the video, you could craft each set hat with metal and a set weapons, random hat crafting or random drop.
You're right! I probably could have squeezed that information in for completeness, to be honest. But the point I was ultimately trying to make was you could fast track yourself to being more powerful with money if you wanted to. A lot of games have power increasing mechanics that you *technically* earn in game without money, but are usually locked behind either randomness or a grind.
Sure, TF2 let you craft them directly, but you still hat to earn or play long enough to get the materials. The quicker and 0 effort method was to buy them outright.
@@Casperr Trading was around as well, I remember getting these easily without spending anything. Your video made it sound like they could only be obtained through the Mann.Co Store, this is information that shouldn't be left out of a video like this.
@@Casperr Fast tracking yourself to being more powerful is a huge stretch, the sets weren't insane and the only one I would say didn't really compromise for the benefit was the Gas Jockey one, the rest of the polycount sets used specific unlocks that were lackluster, and had what I would describe as a different, not better, effect on your character.
Again, minus the gas jockey since movement speed is pretty nuts and the degreaser was too good for a long time.
@@JarrettMvM What? I'd say the Spy set is pretty insane. Hell, the sniper one is also stupid.
@@TanniMachine The set wasn't bad but you wouldn't suddenly become a better spy if you had the saharan spy set. This is a pre buff YER we're talkin about, not the easiest knife to use even with silent cloak
"The 2017 Jungle Inferno update"
Holy shit. I didn't realize how long it's been. Next year will be the 15th anniversary of TF2. Time's flying too fast.
i really wanted casperr to do a video about this he always mention this subject in his past video but never detalied thanks
Happy to be of service :D
The pyrovision goggles are actually competitively viable. It allows you to see your enemy against a vibrant backround. So is like using it on sniper.
Never thought of this,thanks a million
Theyre banned in competitive.
Super viable!
@@GrtGuybut then again competitive TF2 bans literally everything under the sun because they're clowns who can't play around it.
@@easiestcc6451 a little harsh but that's what happens when a game thats as hard to balance as tf2 becomes competitive
@@GrtGuy That's why TF2 was never designed to be competitive.
P2W, ignoring the fact that you could craft the hats for each of these sets.
After spending hours grinding away for a hat, only to have Valve take the buff away from me a week later. That was a massive slap in the face and I didn't play TF2 for a couple of years.
Gas Jockey wasn’t balanced at all, competitively it was the ideal set and every single pyro in high level was basically required to run it. Movement speed is so incredibly powerful that the downside is negligible
I would agree today but back then the Axtinguisher+Degreaser was so strong that even competitive Pyros used it to secure kills (most flamethrowers were just very underpowered).
@@matchanavi Damage never was the role of the pyro back then, neither was securing kills. At least back then, it was an assist role with the ability to punish enemy mistakes. It could freely rotate between the combo and flank, and was expected to in order to perform. While an axetinguisher kill was very powerful, it was very rare to find yourself in that situation and the opportunity cost of the speed bonus was so great that you’d rarely find pyros not using it.
Source: played Highlander at a platinum level for many years, including pre-set days, set days, and post-set days.
@@JoyTheDataScientist Well in casual, the degreaser axetinguisher combo was good since the skill level was lower, so it’s easier to pull off the combo.
people also forget that this set still allowed you to run flare gun which imo was really what made it OP, you could still dunk on spies / scouts and if the puff n sting combo wasnt enough you could finish with a 65 damage powerjack melee which ALSO healed for 75 hp ignoring overheal.
axtinguisher isnt needed unless youre trying to kill a heavy which is a stupid idea in highlander because hes almost always with the combo.
you can also still combo medics. 90 flare gun dmg + 65 melee dmg + burn damage.
R.I.P Engineer; never got one of his own
As a retired engineer main this pisses me off
7....7 years ago?
I still remember the update article on the site.
it was literally only early last year when i finally got over the muscle memory to just full charge bodyshot a sniper wearing the crocodile hat lol, i wold just see that hat and bodyshot
oh yeah, personal fun fact as a shiny hat wearing pyro. theres a very noticable difference when I wear my usual loadout or full stock
with my unusuals:
-my teammates wont spycheck me as often, but also quickly identify when theres a clone of me.
-enemies play more safe than usual
-medics trust that I'll make use of their ubers.
-enemies target me more often, seen as a clear threat.
when I go full stock:
-I get spychecked way more.
-enemies feel more confident in taking risks
-enemies feel more insulted to die agaisnt me
-medics will overheal me after seeing me at the top of the scoreboard but would rather uber the hat wearing power class
No difference:
-medics tend to not pocket me
-soldiers respect the threat of an airblast after previous encounters
so its a game of attention, less attention is useful for some situations, more attention is actually handy in others.
its an interesting dynamic to explore really, you think cosmetics can be pointless greed, but deep down most people will be distracted and their choices influenced by their appearance.
in any game really, they all affect gameplay a little.
no shit if you see a man wielding a golden weapon and a glowing effect on his expensive looking hat and paired misc cosmetics, you'd think hes good at the game since nobody has so much money to spend on something they dont enjoy
@@thechanglongwang For some reason, I notice kind of an opposite effect with myself. Maybe an unconscious thought is like "If he is spending so much on a game, maybe he's trying to appear better than he is". Anyway, in the beginning, before figuring out the favorites, I usually end up ubering someone with cheap or no cosmetics.
@@Sasha-zw9ss no hats are braindead 80% of the time from what i've seen
There’s actually still two cosmetics that have effects: the alien for scout and the space suit for soldier the effect is they do more damage to the opposite cosmetic
Isn't it for scout and pyro and not scout and soldier?
Scout and Pyro
How did you get the info so wrong
The man is back storing
Tf2 before: hat + weapon = set = stronk
Tf2 now: hat + weapon = set = calling card
The $1.50 hat that gave Scout +25 HP ruined the game. I would just leave if I ever saw it.
I actually questioned myself why it did, but realized that while it was weaker, the Mad Milk would just let a good scout destroy you since it gave back health for all your damage.
Cope
The hat didn't give you HP the whole mediocre set did, and furthermore you can get hats without buying them so who cares if they sell them too?
@@JarrettMvM how do you get hats without buying them?
@@megazenn22 crafting my man
Theres also the Alien Isolation item sets, like the Xenomorph costume for Scout or Astronaut for Pyro, they add extra damage toward each other.
As much as it was unfair, I kinda miss this mechanic. Go figure, lol
I mean, it wasn't entirely pay to win. While you could just buy the hat, you could also trade items you got from free drops with other players for the hat you want. Trading sites and servers made this even easier, and it's what got me to try the trading mechanic and have loads of fun with it.
Same. I really enjoyed having more incentive to use themed sets
@@shadowslayer205 except it wasn't because stock was better. All sets were objectively worse.
Cosmetic quirks for set bonuses would be nice. Things like the tombstones, or like how the Spycicle freezes enemies. Lotsa fun to be had with both your own and enemy deaths. Hibernating Bear heavies could just go to sleep instead of "dying" from most things, or something.
@@Sammysapphiragas jockey was meta, the spy one was absurd with dead ringer, Sniper one was excellent support with immunity to headshots. Scout with +25 HP and pre-nerfed versions of mad milk and shortstop were unkillable. Do you even know what objective means? It means not your stupid opinion but a verifiable fact. At most you can say they were subjectively situational for some but Pyro one was just the best by far
I remember this way too clearly. I was a teenager and I had been trying for months to make enough scrap to buy the spy's fez (I always traded for my items, I didn't have money to buy them) to get the benefit of the less audible cloak. When I finally got it and went to try it out, it felt like it wasn't working. Turns out valve removed the effect the same day I finally got the fez.
I mean, its a good thing this p2w element has been removed, but I guess what I'm saying is if it wasn't there in the first place I wouldn't have had to save for it just to sell it at a lower price because the fez dropped in price after the nerf.
The only advantage a hat would give you is a psychological factor that isn't programmed into the game and really isn't Valve's fault. People tend to naturally be more intimidated by someone with fancy unusuals and cosmetics than someone with a mann co. cap or nothing at all.
Someone didn't watch the video
This is some interesting stuff, I really like how you explain like whats going on and what your talking about but still nice job 👍.
1:40 "+25 hp with no downsides"
Me: I'd consider using the shortstop and mad milk to be some pretty big downsides
This video makes me so nostalgic for my first days on TF2. Back when the game was newly Free To Play, and the Dead Ringer made spy effectively invincible.
Also the production quality of these videos are getting petty top notch. Well done!
Back when afterburn was brutal and i basically accepted death as a medic if i got a whiff of flames
I remember this. Only one I hated was the spy set. Kinda wish they'd do item sets with weapons.
I remember when hats actually changed the size of your head's hitbox, making you an easier target for snipers. Was most noticeable with the HHHM Head and Gibus, funny enough.
When I got into TF2 in 2016, I went hard into these sets and didn't even know about bonuses/them not even existing anymore. Even got an unusual Grenadiers Softcap at some point.
There is actually still one stat-changing cosmetic set in existence today - the Nostromo Napalmer (Space Marine) Pyro vs. the Isolationist (Xenomorph) Scout. When wearing all of the items mutually (both players need to wear the respective set). If this happens, the Scout does extra melee damage to the Pyro and the Pyro's flamethrower does extra damage to the Scout.
...It seems a bit weighted against the Scout. ^^;
I remember crafting the hat for the special delivery set, so proud to be able to take advantage of the set without paying money. I already liked the weapons it used, and the fish had the extra quirk of revealing when a spy dead ringer-ed.
Man, I loved using the Gas Jockey Attendant set back in the day. I definitely was more prone to death if used offensively, considering the lower fire damage the Degreaser had with the 10% bullet damage increase, but chasing down spies :) It was also quite good for other game modes like Prophunt and Versus Saxton Hale/Freak Fortress 2.
Valve could have made an achivments for each sat beaing equiped.
Scout’s delivery set,
25+ more health
No double jump
Tank buster
20% Sentry resistance
20% Less damage against sentries
Jockey gear
10+ Movement speed
5% more air blast cost
Croc skit
Cannot get head shotted
damage limited to 110
Saran spy or what ever
No cloak sounds
Cannot disguise
5%? Thats it? 5% more expensive airblast
I like that you already talked about this, but now go deeper into it. I like it. Its nice
Ngl it actually sounds cool to have a fourth slot for hats that improve your health, ammo, resistance etc
Glad to see you come back even if it's only for one video. Love your hat videos.
I didn't go anywhere, I did a video earlier this month! 😅
Hey Casperr! I remember once someone mentioned a thing about Self Made keys in the Kritzkast Discord and you responded that you might make a video on glitched items all together. It'll be really interesting to see a video on that. have a great day :)
I miss the Gas Jockey Set effect, i used to love zooming around on KOTH maps, whacking people then making a quick getaway.
I mean, the pyrovision goggles and all hats/items that enabled it were banned in comp because the pyrovision was bugged letting you see through things you originally wouldn't, so basically hats still give you a advantage
It wasnt a bug
Great video, was a fun trip down memory lane.
Only things I would've liked to see in the video would've been an audio comparison to really showcase how quiet the Dead Ringer got with the Fez Spy loadout, cause otherwise people who weren't around at the time really wouldn't have much of an idea on how quiet the Dead Ringer actually got with the set it, it's crazy.
Honestly, if it wasn't for the inclusion of cosmetics in the set bonuses, sets and their bonuses would be both really cool and a good way of introducing people to new weapon combos they may not use otherwise.
The reduced decloak noise was fun to work with and the downside of no disguises was supposed to be the biggest downside. The fact your eternal reward just didn't get reduced noise, while the pyro still got to keep the speed bonus and so on was really lame.
*50 seconds ago*
:feelsfastman:
grow a personality
@@megazenn22 ok
@@megazenn22 no
Set bonuses wasnt a bad idea, but having a hat requirement was stupid
instead it could just be used to make underpowered sets a little bit more usable
Shortstop was so good day 1 before they nerfed the reload speed, due to overall dps being good. Even then after the reload nerf, players argued it was still really good due to the scout being able to kite at medium range with it instead of the higher risk scattergun up close fight. This made scout vs soldier match up now heavily in scout's favor.
I love the casual hitchhikers guide reference at 2:43
There is actually a hat that still has stat changes
The top notch, an item exclusive to notch, creator of minecraft
It has a hidden stat that gives 20% damage vulnerability
You kind of needed to mention that the danger shield used to retain a little bit if that old set. As anyone who played before JI knows, resistance on top of the health bonus infamously made it impossible to kill this sniper from full with a quickscope.
I'd be willing to bet that the reduced cloak volume was meant to help the spy get around what was once the worst part of the YER -- getting that first disguise. All you have is your watch, so making it harder for your foes to hear that was decent.
The rework to the knife didn't add that old stat in, but it did remove the need for it by giving you your first disguise for free.
There can be an advantage with hats that extend your head visually, affecting player snipers.
(cue angry Sniper raging in chat because two Hoovies named "First Banana" and "Second Banana" are eating Second Bananas while wearing Potassium Bonnets named "Third Bananas")
Honestly item sets could be a cool idea but instead of a weapon and some hats it should be all 3 weapon slots, like Soda Popper, Bonk and The Atomizer would give some extra movement related buff or something, idk why valve was just like “yeah let’s just make this turn you into god if you have this hat on”
Tbh, I actually kinda want some set bonuses to come back into the game, but only without hats being necessary.
And making Sniper any more of a pain in the rear to deal with.
i remember the update that added these is what made me abandon tf2 for the first and longest time, it wasn't till 2015 that i even tried to come back.
Honestly? I'd be all down with set bonuses coming back, provided that they require no hats and have the bonus be "balanced". It'd promote combos with weapons that don't often get the light of day, who knows, maybe it'd even mix up the meta, shaking pub-stompers to the bone. I'm sure it's possible, considering it'd *need* to be in the source code to work in-game. Maybe we could get a community server with the things.
wishful thinking.
fun video.
At 2:42 I think there is a reference to the hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy when he said that God creating the universe was a bad move.
There's only one hat right now that alters the stats, but only one person has it, the Top Notch makes you take 20% more damage
1:07 Laughs in ubersaw
I heard that audio split in between “3” and “years”. You can’t hide that from me, Casperr.
I think I originally said "3 and a half"... but that wasn't right so just cut it out lol
The fish for the scout is a direct upgrade because of spies with the deadringer
i dont really have a problem with item set bonus's as long as there is a downside
to balance it.
but they didn't do that which is stupid.
Pretty good summary of things there!
I've been waiting for a video on this topic for ages. this deserves so many more views.
1:35 HEYCH PEE
It was absolutely in pay to win territory. That being said i am sad i will never be able to play some of those old sets with the bonus.
Definitely wanted to "check this out Casper" today
same
Because of this video, I went and bought The Attendant, the Grenadier's Softcap, Familiar Fez, Ol' Snaggletooth, and a random Rock-Paper-Scissors taunt to go with it.
I will put these to use.
You cant just bring up the Demo, Heavy and Medic set and then not tell us what kind of stats they gave you, just because they werent bound to hats. That annoyed me quite a bit.
Otherwise, good Video!
*watches golden contracker in beggining
*remembers the pain of having started a personal quest of doing all contracts so I can have my own
The mystery solving buff is op imo.
I remember being royally pissed at missing 25 hp because I don't have the hat.
Honestly I kinda miss some of the set bonuses, I kinda wish they kept them but removed the hat requirement. Having a silent decloak with the dead ringer actually made the your eternal reward worth using beyond just the meme.
There's also a specific cosmetic set that also gives a very specific advantage over two classes.
If the Pyro is using the Nostromo Napalmer, alongside with the Alien Isolation helmet, it will deal 20% more damage against Scouts that are using the Xenomorph cosmetic set, and the Scouts using the set will deal 20% more damage in melee against Pyros wearing the Nostromo and helmet.
20%? Where did you get that misinformation from?
The scout does 5x melee damage and the pyro does 3x flamethrower damage
I honestly hate how ridiculously nerfed every weapon is in today's tf2... every single weapon apart from the stock ones has a negative status, and in my opinion most of them are so useless that only the stock weapons are viable...
Letranger
Atomiser
Sandvich
Ubersaw
Crusader’s crossbow
The third degree exist. Objectively better than stock.
Nice touch using the MM Milk Bar theme for scout's set.
Okay, but they make me FEEL better at the game. even if i'm shit at it.
Honestly, if they changed the shortstop to have some sort of on-wearer model, it'd be neat to have a health bonus, and might prove it as a mid-range nuisance kinda thing.
the definition of pay to win.
Not when you could craft them easily.
@@TAPbagan or find them
@@midnightdonutshop Yep, random drop had them too.
I remember those days, the sniper duels on trade_plaza_minecraft
Wow, 666 views.
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As a former Saharan Spy, it was an extremely heartwarming gameplay because everybody started being unprepared for Spies like in 2007. I didn't have a chance to play the game in 2007 so this was a great experience.
The Spy set forced people to get good with Your Eternal Reward. Combine that with a silent Dead Ringer decloak?
Oh man, that was probably one of the most busted combos lmao.
The others weren't THAT noticable. They were fun as hell on 10x servers tho, the Pyro running like Usain Bolt always made me laugh
Nice video! It was great to remember this sets!
11:30 the best thing about this video is the spy's sad attempt at a stairstab
i could understand "oh these 3 items together do this!" with a minor upgrade like +25% shooting speed but then you have a downside like a little less hp or something, like black box, concherer, and escape plan, but having some items and a cosmetic have no downsides and a upside? is crazy.
at that point id assume every valve employee working on tf2 did a bag of crack
Shortstop is a downgrade in every way possible, less damage, less ammo, less range, Only upside is higher fire rate and faster reload. Pistol is better than milk and 25 hp is nothing.
A distracting hat may make a sniper miss the shot thinking a part of your hat is a hitbox
Ok that croc o style bonus is insanely stupid
It would be cool to see a video on the other three item sets briefly mentioned in the video. I’m very interested in the history of these item sets.
The HHGttG reference on the Shortstop had me rolling. Keep it up man