We certainly need to look holistically about the proposal. A travelator is certainly a plus and convenient for pedestrians especially the aged and handicapped, but we need also to look at the costs , the design challenges & difficulties as well as to be able to gain the mutual acceptance of the Government from both sides. I believe a covered walkway will be a more realistic achievable option.
@@larryhs9543 I very much doubt a walking-impaired elderly or handicapped would try to walk this distance, regardless with travelator or not. Walking 1 km is not much and good for you.
the cost & feasibility of the project should leave it to the expert! What I am looking into is a 100 history and constant daily congestion need a solution for improvement for the next 100 years and not an incremental step improvement for just the next day.
Totally agree! Most times, immigration booths are not manned even during long jams. The authority should have certain amount of redundancy in the staffing so that all booths are manned. The cost of this is insignificant when compared to the huge waste in fuel and time of all the vehicles waiting in the jams. Much air pollution could also be eliminated!
The 3rd reason is custom counters close, I ever experienced heading Woodlands at 3 / 4am but jam for 1 hr±, finally realized the whole Woodlands custom only remained 2 counter got Officers handling the long queue. If more counters open, it helps.
You need to give people a break as well. They could be handling handling the huge departing traffic till 12-1am. At around 4-5am, those working and studying in Singapore will start filling up the checkpoint as well. 1 to 4 am is probably the only period they can try to stagger and ensure all their staff get some break before the morning traffic comes. Dont think we want to see tired, slow and overworked staff at the counters. But i do agree opening a few more counters would help.
@@LittlePanda888automated counters also close la. Need to ask ICA. Motorcycle counters are all automated. They like to close half of it even its jammed pack at 9am heading into Singapore. One might say that computer needs a break as well but just for your info. Even the counter is closed. The computer is still running with a no entry sign displayed on the screen. So they are not turning it off but just not letting travellers to use them. I hate to say this but I think the officers in woodlands have the mindset to let the motorcyclist jam and queue and they seems to be having fun looking at people jam and faint especially during the hot sun but I give credits to the officers at Tuas as they on the other hand are working hard to come up with ideas to ease the congestion with the “operation sun raise” idea. That officer deserve a raise.
Effective or correct resources management & deployment is important and critical in addressing the needs or demand and can definitely cut down on the delay or waiting time. I believe it is one area which the Authority concerned should look into to improve on the control and management of the manpower resources, to reduce the waiting time and also not to over stressed the manpower deployed. Wonder what is the system the Authority is using now for such management?
How does everyday people of Singapore benefits? It seems only the big business towkays and govt will gain. If RTS and SEZ is build, more Malaysians will come to apply jobs which makes more Singaporeans lose their jobs. Secondly, more Malaysians will earn in SG and spend in Malaysia while Singaporeans will go to Johore to spend . So in the end many Singaporean employees and small business will be easily wipe out when these projects are up and running.
SG gov and Malaysia Gov should sit together, setting up one system that all travellers are registered in, they are giving one card , with technology’s help , just scan and pass the customs, without minimum customs official intervention.
And then what, Singapore merge with Johor? Sure can, but Sultan Johor definitely wants the newly merged country as a Federal Islamic semi-constitutional monarchy like UAE or Qatar where he has more power and final say than currently he is in Malaysia. Can you Chinese Singaporeans accept it meh? you dont even want Malay as a SG Prime Minister, what more a ruling Malay royal dynasty that rule over the country lol
Amir, you must be the upteenth reporter to cover this several decade-old problem. I no longer live in your part of the world, but I do remember during the Rahman-Kuan Yew era when I was a young boy in the 1960s that this problem was at its infancy. Unless both governments, on both sides of the Causeway decide and agree to put aside their differences, this problem will continue to plague. I do visit both countries and reluctantly have to use the Causeway(no option/alternative). This problem can quite easily be alleviated, only IF the will to do so eventuate. All these proposed ideas are only band-aid measures with no long term solutions, unfortunately. I am pretty sure many would agree with me and like me quite helpless to do anything about it. Thank you.
I beg to differ, actually there r alternative mode of transport esp for those who lives or wish to travel to beyond JB....like KL....there's actually wat they call it air shuttle bus to n fro between KL n Changi, SIA has a short trip flight to KL..... N Firefly is providing their short flight too....😊❤👍
Bro , the Underlying Political Baggage you describe has taken a Drastic & Positive Dimension… SIngapore Now CONTROLS & can Weaponise RM … So there is no incentive to invest further … maybe after Johore Succeeds from MY …SG as you know is Predatory Capitalism at its Finest 😊
Yes , all Band Aid measures. But You will be Pleasantly Pleased that the Dynamics of the Political Baggage of the Past hv Changed Drastically .. SG’s Predatory Capitalism at its Finest 😂
So you think people from Malaysia walk all the way to jb just so they can walk to Singapore? 😂 They use bus or train. There are bus that directly travel from other state of Malaysia to Singapore too. Many in Malaysia own bike or car so if they really want to come Singapore for holiday they will walk? Covered walkway only benefit the Malaysia workers who come to Singapore to work aka fighting job resources from Singaporean. Why would Singaporean want to use our taxpayers money to build something to benefit the Malaysian? Malaysia government have to pay at least 70% for the covered walkway.
One possible proposal is to construct some travellators for those who prefer to walk than to take buses, cars or trains. The travellators can be covered , with air-conditioning. Fee can be charged SGD0.50. This mode of travelling is so simple and fast.
U understand how many Malaysian vs Singaporean choose to walk the causeway? It mostly benefits the Malaysian workers who walk in to work in Singapore. Those who come Singapore to have fun and holiday usually won't walk in. Why must Singapore government use Singaporean taxpayers money to build something to benefit the Malaysian who came Singapore to fight for job with us? You think those Singaporean will be happy with such use of our taxpayers money? Better to provide more healthcare benefits or make our mrt system more efficient and comfortable using the taxpayers money. Or give more cdc voucher or 600 cash payout by government if they got too much money to throw away
How does everyday people of Singapore benefits? It seems only the big business towkays and govt will gain. If RTS and SEZ is build, more Malaysians will come to apply jobs which makes more Singaporeans lose their jobs. Secondly, more Malaysians will earn in SG and spend in Malaysia while Singaporeans will go to Johore to spend . So in the end many Singaporean employees and small business will be easily wipe out when these projects are up and running.
Yes I do fully agree with the 3 proposals 1. Digitalisation and further enhancement and usage 2. Single clearance system which will significantly reduce the time to transit 3. A covered walkway for pedestrians to transit from one end to another, reducing the need for buses, cars and motorcycles and its environmental carbon free and healthy for the public. Good suggestion which need to be considered seriously
If to think about going the other side using the c.d.c voucher to spend, can it open there too by asking here maybe is more benefit and matching the "surviving marketprice"? Heard skillsfuture can be used there in future, even the 40yrs old limit will be skipped(means everyone will get $4000 under 40 years old), because the same company is at both places to "learn from their using the money"(living advantage increase with correct marketprice and school at Johor of same company). Anyway the "congestion"-imagination survived, knowing actually sometimes it's peaceful fast move exist like an expressway. They know can become stronger if go there sometimes to spend - especially if go "Angsana"(but it's quite some time, maybe buying food first will be nice) will support Singapore's strength, maybe a druglord activity and other(country) mixture of oil spike into sea to have no fish-theory of the injuring-move to cause adversity in life.
Hmm the presenter spoke about passport free clearance in Europe, but there are no immigration and customs checkpoints within the Schengen area. Cannot be compared.
There will always be congestion seeing the number of people using the Causeway , and the fact that there has to be immigration checkpoints . , so Malaysia has to get used to the fact
Sure there are flow both way but do you think all Singaporean have is Malaysian to travel? Lol we Singaporean got so much options as long as we are rich. So covered walkway benefits the Malaysian workers more thus if we gotta build it then Malaysia better pay at least 70% of the cost.
Also Singaporean or Malaysian tourist rarely walk the causeway because bus fare is only a few dollar or many Malaysian they drive car or bike as their country is big.
Other than digitalization, upgrading etc etc..... IT IS the PEOPLE and their culture!! No amount of upgrading will help if their mentality is the same. Notice the difference of the immigration officers if you travel both sides. One side will intimidate you, take their own sweet time as if you owe them a living, not assisting you if you have issue, productivity ZERO. The other side, they are there to assist you and speed up things.
Introduce sheltered and well designed CCTV coverage walkways for both sides to cross by walking. More rails operators, prioritize bus crossings, sophisticated and modern link pedestrian walkway.
Shuttle Tebrau should add more slots. It's only a 5 min ride but 1h15 min wait for the next train. Maybe 45min or even 30min to the next train is it feasible?
I tried to book tickets for that train in 2022, but they were all sold out. So I remained in Singapore during my four-day trip there before returning to the US.
There has always been a solution to the congestion problem for many years already but 99 percent of the people are creatures of habit and cannot think of how to overcome this problem at all. Just use the tuas link. Especially for car owning class and people who do not do daily commuting rushing for work. You will hardly be caught in super long jams even on super long weekends and public holidays.
The proposed 3 options are viable & good. Perhaps added to that Sg side can build & provide dormitory at Woodlands dedicated to Msian only workers with Sg valid WP & SP holders at very affordable price say S$150-S$200 per bed per month
Not ever going to happen. In the land scarce Singapore, landlords whoever they be are the biggest sharks in this country. They are behaving worse than insurance agents or car workshops. They will squeeze every tiny rental space for profits
I would like to support the idea for a sheltered walkway suggestion. People may consider using it, if there is no waiting time. I expand the idea with a bicycle crossing. On the end points should be bicycle parking stations with guards. Singapore and Malaysia really should operate more together, and be a starter of better co-operation in between the neighbours.
INB4 we get double-decker causeway lol... top part linking into the upcoming new checkpoint (tho Malaysia side might get a lot more complex... since it's basically single lane for each modes on the main part of the viaduct)
Please DO NOT spend anymore money to cater to private vehicles. Not worth the expenditure. The number of lanes suffice and anymore expenditure will just make more people driving their private cars in and out. Just concentrate on efficiency of both sides PUBLIC transport. Have several rail operators for crossing over to all over Johore and Singapore. Have bus only crossings bridge. Separate private cars, motorcycles and buses crossings. Buses to be given top priority. Public Transport given all the priority. This will discourage people from driving and riding.
Talk easy bro, where to find the money for several rails networks crossing JB and SG and for that u need even more expenditure comparing to expanding one existing causeway (FYI on SG side is slated to complete by 2032) and adding one RTS. That being said several networks into SG may be a security issue for SG and I don’t think we want that. Think why there is a need for the Army in the first place and who are we defending against. End of the day nobody is gonna be discouraged by driving/ riding if there is a need or luxury for it.
@@koklong69 yep. That's why crooks keep money in SG banks. Known for tax evasion & dirty money heaven. SG also has reputation, not necesserily all positive, darling. Wake up from your Singapore PAP bubble.
@@MrBoliao98she speaks for Malaysian workers benefit. They use walking to come Singapore work. If tourist they are willing to pay a few dollar for bus fare.
Far away, you need at least an hour to reach JB central from Tuas, people do use 2nd Link but not for the reasons you’re implying. Quite obvious you’re a backseat princess
How does everyday people of Singapore benefits? It seems only the big business towkays and govt will gain. If RTS and SEZ is build, more Malaysians will come to apply jobs which makes more Singaporeans lose their jobs. Secondly, more Malaysians will earn in SG and spend in Malaysia while Singaporeans will go to Johore to spend . So in the end many Singaporean employees and small business will be easily wipe out when these projects are up and running.
Many Singaporean go there for marketing(wet market stuffs) & grocery shopping because Singapore failed to control commercial rental causing every good prices to hike left & right.
@@Ziawdeen You edited your comment yet you didn't change the correct word. It's shopping not marketing. Marketing is the process of promoting, selling, and distributing a product or service. facepalm
@@Ziawdeen The proper term is "Buying provisions" or "shopping". Marketing refers to the activities a company undertakes to promote the buying or selling of its products.
You're right. If we examine the reason behind heavy traffic between both countries, we realise that the underlying factor lies in the economic disparity between the two currencies. For malaysians, you know the drill. 1:3.5 exchange rate is simply irresistible. They come here to work. For singaporeans, the cheap goods & services that can be bought and brought back to SG is also very enticing. They buy stuff at a discount with the favourable exchange rates. If the exchange rates were to be 1:1, there would be significantly less traffic between the two countries. But that would mean an overhaul of the economic policies from the Malaysian side. (which will never happen)
Beside I will thinks a number of things will need to be done as well The causeway CIQ is constructed many years ago and it is now overwhelmed and is not very effectively catering to the current demand and expectation. Many improvisions had been added and today it look messy, with many added signages, movable cones and water barricades, unnecessary humps, many more automatic barriers purported for necessary security but also added more delays . It’s overdue time for major overhaul including overall redesign and upgrading and reconstruction to serve for the next 100 years.
For a almost 1 km, it's only need an underground pedestrian tunnel like those from MRT stations to exits. If u notice MRT Marina Bay to gardens by the bay exits have long pedestrian tunnel. Also, Outram park station to TEL line platform towards woodlands almost 1km in my mind, walking and ups and downs of escalators before u reach the station. I don't know how deep the station but some MRT station may reach up to 8-10 floors deep underground or even more. For example Ampang Park MRT St. near KLCC. Considering this, causeway is actually outdated n unneeded anymore thus we also can make underground sea tunnel like SMART tunnel in KL which the length is almost 10km (10x the leghth of tambak Johore causeway) Another option is international cable car with 4-6 lines. This one is more attractive way.
Who is going to pay for it though? They know how to made it perfect a very long time ago. No need us or you to think for them at all. The problem is they can never agree on who is going to pay for the projects and how the profits are supposed to be split and shared. That's the problem. 🙂
How does everyday people of Singapore benefits? It seems only the big business towkays and govt will gain. If RTS and SEZ is build, more Malaysians will come to apply jobs which makes more Singaporeans lose their jobs. Secondly, more Malaysians will earn in SG and spend in Malaysia while Singaporeans will go to Johore to spend . So in the end many Singaporean employees and small business will be easily wipe out when these projects are up and running.
The congestion on the Causeway can only be solved when all the trucks and other commercial vehicles are diverted to the 2nd Link. And, it will be shorter distance for trucks plying between Tuas Port and Tanjong Pelepas Port for cargo consolidation. Both SBS and CausewayLink should be allocated with additional pickup/dropoff points at Yew Tee MRT Station and Marsiling MRT Station for looping service to and from JB CIQ.
The last thing i want in SG is for policy makers to take in options from a journalist. All 3 Options "offered" are not viable let alone practical. There's a reason why clearance is done the way it is, to safeguard our borders and national security. Having a passport-less clearance means that Msia would have to implement another clearance checkpoint outside of the SEZ. No practical. SG-Johor travel can't be compared to EU. Totally different concepts.
100yo problem. Few days ago, the leaders were still celebrating the 100yrs anniversary. Clearly very proud still. So if the qn is how can sg mys tackle the problem, the answer is recognise the problem and be SHAMEFUL of it...then they will do something more helpful than releasing 100 birds.
It is a Malaysian problem. Only Malaysians are making daily crossings. Singaporeans only cross it during holidays or weekends. It doesn't help that Malaysians don't have the habit of using public transport. The Malaysian authorities don't even think public transport facilities are important, thought it is a waste of money. Hence all the flip-flop. Singapore already announce it's plan to purchase land to help ease the congestion for Malaysians benefit but instead, Malaysia sit on the deal, wanted to do a land swap. Trading Malaysia undeveloped land for Singapore developed land instead of selling land for Singapore to develop into a bigger custom.
How does everyday people of Singapore benefits? It seems only the big business towkays and govt will gain. If RTS and SEZ is build, more Malaysians will come to apply jobs which makes more Singaporeans lose their jobs. Secondly, more Malaysians will earn in SG and spend in Malaysia while Singaporeans will go to Johore to spend . So in the end many Singaporean employees and small business will be easily wipe out when these projects are up and running.
I wonder once the Ringgit appreciate against SGD in the coming years, will it still be the same? Because a lot of tech jobs are moving to KL and Johor because of lower cost, thus RM will appreciate below 3.
If Malaysia willing to pay more for the covered walkway on the causeway then ok. The causeway walkway is usually use by Malaysian who walk to Singapore to work. Those who want to holiday usually use vehicle like bus or mrt or car. Singaporean who go Malaysia is for holiday or fun trip including shopping so they won't walk back from jb when bus fare is only few dollars. Should Malaysia pay at least 70% for the covered walkway then it's something Singapore government can consider. Singaporean already unhappy with the Malaysian coming to Singapore to work, do you think these locals want to use their taxpayers money to build the covered walkway to better benefits the workers? Malaysian who want to come sg to have fun also rarely choose to walk the causeway but take bus or mrt or simply drive here.
Congestion? Clear more, clear faster, without compromising security. Build more lanes, hire more immigration officers, deploy them especially during the cyclical peak periods when Malaysians come to and return from work. The MRT line into JB with its own separate immigration clearance will definitely help.
Increase the carriage and frequency of KTM trains and it will help solve the issue , 10-15 carriage for a locomotive to pull a short distance isn’t a problem
100 years still jammed everyday, jammed because the causeway are not widen to have more lanes, no point having latest technologies but the causeway lanes still remained slim like the neck of a egret .
More lanes doesn'tsolve the problem. We need more people to get onto mass transportation(trains and buses). The more lanes you have, the more people will drive. It would help greatly if Malaysia and Singapore could incentive bus companies to provide more bus services cross border(eg: tax exeption if you provide 2 or more bus service lines cross border)
Why Singapore has many Indian citizens? Why! Are Singaporean citizens are really Chinese looking people not an Indian and Pakistan heritage? I hope Singapore will answer this question to enlighten us people around the world who did not know yet the Singaporeans because many thought that Singapore citizens are like a Chinese looking people?
Just build more causeways. Its not rocket science, how do you expect a bridge no wider than the average expressway to accomodate traffic between two countries without congestion when the average expressway itself is usually congested locally.
Provide more sampans for citizens. This is a pain in the neck for too long. More blames for the Malaysia sides. New building and more counters. Same "attitude". Hate to go there in spite of the currency rates. Be nice to see the ill-gotten billions recovered from corrupted ministers and spent on a new super rail line.
Both govt always work hard to make thing complex and never do anything to improve immigration process except issue political statements and then increase tax on anything
Crap ideas by this cna reporter. Ask Malaysia why is it always jammed. Malaysian need to cross the causeway more than us and why should we make it easy for them ?
Add more large ferry services and have some that are dedicated to already custom checked and cleared regular daily passengers. They can get on and off quickly.
Only After LKY was Caught Red Handed & Paraded at Sikh Police Temple in 2010 , SG Government been taking steps to Correct many of LKY’s Predatory Bad Habits & Racist Policies 😊
It's too bad that using rail as a way to relieve congestion is only looked at more seriously recently in the form of the KTM Tebrau service and the RTS. Sadly previous solutions such as the railbus wasn't implemented too well and people prefer to travel in the form of cars or motorbikes that contributes to the congestion.
From Malaysia side, they repeatedly trying to replace the bridge with the new one but Singapore refused to replace. WHY? Now 2024, you guys talk like you didn’t know the answer. The answer is there and you guys keep searching for the answer. Funny
@@tankman20064 that’s great. Just do it. It’s better for you guys get worker from India or China. Not just limit the permit you guys can just totally banned Malaysian working there. You guys can do it.
Solution #1: increase capacity; A) Increase # processing points at both sides/single automated clearance for bulk of travellers (SG & MY citizens) B) Expand the # lanes on roads both sides, to account for the volume of traffic C) Increase # ports/entries for all transport types: road, rail, sea, bus, even bike & walking Solution #2: Passport free travel for SG & MY citizens through some automated system. That’s it. The final point: making the border crossing more efficient & frictionless will increase traffic / crossings at both sides (easier/quicker crossing e.g. from average of 2 hours to 10 minutes will attract more people more often), so solutions must consider the increase in traffic and adjust capacity accordingly.
S"poreans are very fortunate because it's the m'sians who cross the causeway to work as migrant workers in s'pore and not the other way round. Many thanks to the PAP govt for being so capable and competent.❤❤
Malaysians are fortunate too because they dont have to pay sg10,000 dollars for a piece of paper valid for 10yrs before they can buy a sg4000 dollar motorcycle
Thank you p. A. P for making Singapore strong, Singapore malaysia got independence on the same day but malaysia started go down the drain and fall because of heavy corruption, crazy bumi Putra rules which makes the Chinese and Indians as a second class citizens in. Malaysia , then forcing everyone to learn malay just because they are majority population, but Singapore didn't force anyone to learn Chinese, Muslims in Malaysia also get more promotion and high ranking positions goverment, Indians and Chinese are always given second class treatment in government sector. Malaysia has oil, aluminium, gas, farming land and still they are 3.5 times weaker then Singapore.... Thank you P. A. P..... Just like Mexico is for usa...malaysia is a wild wild country for Singapore. Gun shootings, gang murders, drugs, gang wars, robberies, terrorists, gang rapes, car theft, Islamic terrorism, and all the bad things u can get in Malaysia easily. We Singaporeans must be truly lucky to get p. A. P goverment and didn't join with malaysia. ❤❤❤❤
The question is how can malaysian immigration chop passport faster?
“Sheltered walkways with travelator! Not only it is “green” it will be a landmark tourist attraction!
I don't need a travelator for 1 km.
We certainly need to look holistically about the proposal. A travelator is certainly a plus and convenient for pedestrians especially the aged and handicapped, but we need also to look at the costs , the design challenges & difficulties as well as to be able to gain the mutual acceptance of the Government from both sides.
I believe a covered walkway will be a more realistic achievable option.
@@larryhs9543 I very much doubt a walking-impaired elderly or handicapped would try to walk this distance, regardless with travelator or not.
Walking 1 km is not much and good for you.
the cost & feasibility of the project should leave it to the expert!
What I am looking into is a 100 history and constant daily congestion need a solution for improvement for the next 100 years and not an incremental step improvement for just the next day.
@@3822K9976 That one.
Jam because we import goods from Malaysia and malaysians need to work in Singapore. I pity the Malaysians.
Pity what ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 their house big
After the police station attacks?
Ain't happening
teeth dropping topic. inactions by both sides of causeway.
Just open all the Immigration counter that’s it..,
Totally agree! Most times, immigration booths are not manned even during long jams. The authority should have certain amount of redundancy in the staffing so that all booths are manned. The cost of this is insignificant when compared to the huge waste in fuel and time of all the vehicles waiting in the jams. Much air pollution could also be eliminated!
Both Government created problems. What does this guy know?🤣😂
Ask Malaysia mostly everyday is Malaysian crossing
The 3rd reason is custom counters close, I ever experienced heading Woodlands at 3 / 4am but jam for 1 hr±, finally realized the whole Woodlands custom only remained 2 counter got Officers handling the long queue.
If more counters open, it helps.
You need to give people a break as well.
They could be handling handling the huge departing traffic till 12-1am. At around 4-5am, those working and studying in Singapore will start filling up the checkpoint as well.
1 to 4 am is probably the only period they can try to stagger and ensure all their staff get some break before the morning traffic comes.
Dont think we want to see tired, slow and overworked staff at the counters.
But i do agree opening a few more counters would help.
@LittlePanda888 ...but opening only 2 lanes is pushing it too far!
@@OM-ro4ek but think long term solution is to have automated counters.
But if automated counters got technical difficulties, also problem.
@@LittlePanda888automated counters also close la. Need to ask ICA. Motorcycle counters are all automated. They like to close half of it even its jammed pack at 9am heading into Singapore. One might say that computer needs a break as well but just for your info. Even the counter is closed. The computer is still running with a no entry sign displayed on the screen. So they are not turning it off but just not letting travellers to use them. I hate to say this but I think the officers in woodlands have the mindset to let the motorcyclist jam and queue and they seems to be having fun looking at people jam and faint especially during the hot sun but I give credits to the officers at Tuas as they on the other hand are working hard to come up with ideas to ease the congestion with the “operation sun raise” idea. That officer deserve a raise.
Effective or correct resources management & deployment is important and critical in addressing the needs or demand and can definitely cut down on the delay or waiting time.
I believe it is one area which the Authority concerned should look into to improve on the control and management of the manpower resources, to reduce the waiting time and also not to over stressed the manpower deployed.
Wonder what is the system the Authority is using now for such management?
100 years ago, Jam
today, Jam
who wanna bet 100 years later in 2124 it will still Jam
Actually 100 years ago, pretty much no jam.
100 years ago no jam. Even if its jam, it's the Singaporean going to Malaysia side jam.
Now is opposite
@@celestialstar124 exchange rate 1:3 is the causeway.
@@HO7SIM37 exchange rate 1: 3 is the causeway.
How does everyday people of Singapore benefits? It seems only the big business towkays and govt will gain. If RTS and SEZ is build, more Malaysians will come to apply jobs which makes more Singaporeans lose their jobs. Secondly, more Malaysians will earn in SG and spend in Malaysia while Singaporeans will go to Johore to spend . So in the end many Singaporean employees and small business will be easily wipe out when these projects are up and running.
SG gov and Malaysia Gov should sit together, setting up one system that all travellers are registered in, they are giving one card , with technology’s help , just scan and pass the customs, without minimum customs official intervention.
By Johor declaring independence from Malaysia.
And then what, Singapore merge with Johor? Sure can, but Sultan Johor definitely wants the newly merged country as a Federal Islamic semi-constitutional monarchy like UAE or Qatar where he has more power and final say than currently he is in Malaysia. Can you Chinese Singaporeans accept it meh? you dont even want Malay as a SG Prime Minister, what more a ruling Malay royal dynasty that rule over the country lol
@@flfreaks3745 There is no need to merge. Two independent sovereigns with close cooperation.
Build a covered Travelator or covered walkway from one end to the other.
Amir, you must be the upteenth reporter to cover this several decade-old problem. I no longer live in your part of the world, but I do remember during the Rahman-Kuan Yew era when I was a young boy in the 1960s that this problem was at its infancy. Unless both governments, on both sides of the Causeway decide and agree to put aside their differences, this problem will continue to plague. I do visit both countries and reluctantly have to use the Causeway(no option/alternative). This problem can quite easily be alleviated, only IF the will to do so eventuate. All these proposed ideas are only band-aid measures with no long term solutions, unfortunately. I am pretty sure many would agree with me and like me quite helpless to do anything about it. Thank you.
I beg to differ, actually there r alternative mode of transport esp for those who lives or wish to travel to beyond JB....like KL....there's actually wat they call it air shuttle bus to n fro between KL n Changi, SIA has a short trip flight to KL.....
N Firefly is providing their short flight too....😊❤👍
Bro , the Underlying Political Baggage you describe has taken a Drastic & Positive Dimension… SIngapore Now CONTROLS & can Weaponise RM … So there is no incentive to invest further … maybe after Johore Succeeds from MY …SG as you know is Predatory Capitalism at its Finest 😊
Yes , all Band Aid measures. But You will be Pleasantly Pleased that the Dynamics of the Political Baggage of the Past hv Changed Drastically .. SG’s Predatory Capitalism at its Finest 😂
This is a Good Problem for Predatory SG Government… It’s Made MY Dependent on SG for Trade , Jobs… Drained & Weakened MY …. & even Security 😂
So you think people from Malaysia walk all the way to jb just so they can walk to Singapore? 😂
They use bus or train. There are bus that directly travel from other state of Malaysia to Singapore too. Many in Malaysia own bike or car so if they really want to come Singapore for holiday they will walk?
Covered walkway only benefit the Malaysia workers who come to Singapore to work aka fighting job resources from Singaporean. Why would Singaporean want to use our taxpayers money to build something to benefit the Malaysian?
Malaysia government have to pay at least 70% for the covered walkway.
Build a continuous sheltered, air-conditioned travelator from custom to custom would be great.
It wont work
No way Singapore government will want to resolve the congestion issue.. many businesses need to be protected.. jam for another 100 years...
This depict the top benchmark of Singapore efficiency!
One possible proposal is to construct some travellators for those who prefer to walk than to take buses, cars or trains. The travellators can be covered , with air-conditioning. Fee can be charged SGD0.50. This mode of travelling is so simple and fast.
Spot on! This is what I have in mind.
U understand how many Malaysian vs Singaporean choose to walk the causeway?
It mostly benefits the Malaysian workers who walk in to work in Singapore. Those who come Singapore to have fun and holiday usually won't walk in.
Why must Singapore government use Singaporean taxpayers money to build something to benefit the Malaysian who came Singapore to fight for job with us?
You think those Singaporean will be happy with such use of our taxpayers money? Better to provide more healthcare benefits or make our mrt system more efficient and comfortable using the taxpayers money.
Or give more cdc voucher or 600 cash payout by government if they got too much money to throw away
I have proposed this before but don’t know why the authorities dismissed this idea. We can have 2-way sheltered walkways plus travellators.
@@celestialstar124 Singapore what it is today because of competition and an open economy. Don't like it? Migrate away.
How does everyday people of Singapore benefits? It seems only the big business towkays and govt will gain. If RTS and SEZ is build, more Malaysians will come to apply jobs which makes more Singaporeans lose their jobs. Secondly, more Malaysians will earn in SG and spend in Malaysia while Singaporeans will go to Johore to spend . So in the end many Singaporean employees and small business will be easily wipe out when these projects are up and running.
Talk n talk for decades n no real solutions..
Meanwhile people suffers and incompetent politicians celebrates the Anniversary..
A Fiasco!
tambah lane pon tak guna.. kalau kaunter buka 3 aje.. yang lain tutup
Yes I do fully agree with the 3 proposals
1. Digitalisation and further enhancement and usage
2. Single clearance system which will significantly reduce the time to transit
3. A covered walkway for pedestrians to transit from one end to another, reducing the need for buses, cars and motorcycles and its environmental carbon free and healthy for the public.
Good suggestion which need to be considered seriously
@@larryhs9543 all will be white elephants when the exchange rate is 1:1 . This is a fact.
Ferry link?
WILL NEVER Happen
Let visit this AGAIN in 10 yrs
@@WallaceTanJKThe British tried that a century ago; it was too inefficient.
SG rdy manages World’s Busiest Port & Airports , Security Apparatus etc ..Do You really believe SG cannot Resolve this situation if SG wanted to ?
If to think about going the other side using the c.d.c voucher to spend, can it open there too by asking here maybe is more benefit and matching the "surviving marketprice"? Heard skillsfuture can be used there in future, even the 40yrs old limit will be skipped(means everyone will get $4000 under 40 years old), because the same company is at both places to "learn from their using the money"(living advantage increase with correct marketprice and school at Johor of same company). Anyway the "congestion"-imagination survived, knowing actually sometimes it's peaceful fast move exist like an expressway. They know can become stronger if go there sometimes to spend - especially if go "Angsana"(but it's quite some time, maybe buying food first will be nice) will support Singapore's strength, maybe a druglord activity and other(country) mixture of oil spike into sea to have no fish-theory of the injuring-move to cause adversity in life.
Based on my observations, it seems like Msia is unhappy about Sgreans going in and always make the checkpoint clearance a bottleneck.
Hmm the presenter spoke about passport free clearance in Europe, but there are no immigration and customs checkpoints within the Schengen area. Cannot be compared.
There will always be congestion seeing the number of people using the Causeway , and the fact that there has to be immigration checkpoints . , so Malaysia has to get used to the fact
When pay (in SGD) is more attractive.
When goods and services (in MYR) are much lower.
Hence there shall be flows both ways.
Sure there are flow both way but do you think all Singaporean have is Malaysian to travel? Lol we Singaporean got so much options as long as we are rich.
So covered walkway benefits the Malaysian workers more thus if we gotta build it then Malaysia better pay at least 70% of the cost.
Also Singaporean or Malaysian tourist rarely walk the causeway because bus fare is only a few dollar or many Malaysian they drive car or bike as their country is big.
Other than digitalization, upgrading etc etc..... IT IS the PEOPLE and their culture!! No amount of upgrading will help if their mentality is the same. Notice the difference of the immigration officers if you travel both sides. One side will intimidate you, take their own sweet time as if you owe them a living, not assisting you if you have issue, productivity ZERO. The other side, they are there to assist you and speed up things.
Introduce sheltered and well designed CCTV coverage walkways for both sides to cross by walking. More rails operators, prioritize bus crossings, sophisticated and modern link pedestrian walkway.
Think of the health issues of workers and drivers. Billion liters of fuel wasted and added to the greenhouse gases pollution.
Shuttle Tebrau should add more slots. It's only a 5 min ride but 1h15 min wait for the next train. Maybe 45min or even 30min to the next train is it feasible?
A modern express train every 5 minutes, not an ancient stinky locomotive.
And have live purchases of tickets.Haft the time train lots of empty seats.
@@superconnie5003 A maglev would be something
I tried to book tickets for that train in 2022, but they were all sold out. So I remained in Singapore during my four-day trip there before returning to the US.
There has always been a solution to the congestion problem for many years already but 99 percent of the people are creatures of habit and cannot think of how to overcome this problem at all.
Just use the tuas link. Especially for car owning class and people who do not do daily commuting rushing for work. You will hardly be caught in super long jams even on super long weekends and public holidays.
how about high speed train from Singapore to KL?
The proposed 3 options are viable & good. Perhaps added to that Sg side can build & provide dormitory at Woodlands dedicated to Msian only workers with Sg valid WP & SP holders at very affordable price say S$150-S$200 per bed per month
Not ever going to happen. In the land scarce Singapore, landlords whoever they be are the biggest sharks in this country. They are behaving worse than insurance agents or car workshops. They will squeeze every tiny rental space for profits
There are only 2 reasons for the congestion. Low wages in Malaysia and high cost of living in Singapore.
By not holding the "100th year ceremony event" on the f*king bridge when traffic is already bad
lmao. Same.
SG’s Predatory Capitalism at its Finest 😊
E passport for both human traffic n vehicle traffic....on both ends....
Authorities can use the datas collected to study the movements etc....
Perhaps we can have covered escalator path for walkers just like Vivo City to Sentosa.
Build more cross-border railway lines. Prioritising car traffic was, is, and will always be a big mistake.
1 check point at the departing country and a fast railway, that would be an option, too.
100 years and no major upgrade to cater for millions in increased population
No passport will have 10 mil coming in.
After 100 years still jam !!!
Only money can solve the problem... Gantry payments at the causeway 😊
No need to solve. RTS is here.
Long grand mother story still same or even worst
The main bottleneck is at the custom scanner
I would like to support the idea for a sheltered walkway suggestion. People may consider using it, if there is no waiting time. I expand the idea with a bicycle crossing. On the end points should be bicycle parking stations with guards.
Singapore and Malaysia really should operate more together, and be a starter of better co-operation in between the neighbours.
INB4 we get double-decker causeway lol... top part linking into the upcoming new checkpoint
(tho Malaysia side might get a lot more complex... since it's basically single lane for each modes on the main part of the viaduct)
Another idea is to Build a Third Bridge between Punggol Barat Island in SG to Pasir Gudang Industrial Park in MY.
always is malaysia side not efficient
Please DO NOT spend anymore money to cater to private vehicles. Not worth the expenditure. The number of lanes suffice and anymore expenditure will just make more people driving their private cars in and out. Just concentrate on efficiency of both sides PUBLIC transport. Have several rail operators for crossing over to all over Johore and Singapore. Have bus only crossings bridge. Separate private cars, motorcycles and buses crossings. Buses to be given top priority. Public Transport given all the priority. This will discourage people from driving and riding.
Talk easy bro, where to find the money for several rails networks crossing JB and SG and for that u need even more expenditure comparing to expanding one existing causeway (FYI on SG side is slated to complete by 2032) and adding one RTS. That being said several networks into SG may be a security issue for SG and I don’t think we want that. Think why there is a need for the Army in the first place and who are we defending against. End of the day nobody is gonna be discouraged by driving/ riding if there is a need or luxury for it.
How much can a single person carry vs a vehicle? The issue is, is the jam an issue?...its been there for years...
Why can't? Because of mistrust.
Singapore is a Trusted Brand.
Consistent too.
@@koklong69 yep. That's why crooks keep money in SG banks. Known for tax evasion & dirty money heaven. SG also has reputation, not necesserily all positive, darling. Wake up from your Singapore PAP bubble.
@@ahan300 talk so much no point dude: Singapore is consistent in global ranking.in most areas..
@@ahan300 even crooks also put their loots in Singapore trusted banks...it showed Singapore is a trust worthy for all. Truely inclusive dude.
Come on, why are people are so allergic to the 2nd link? Less stress. Less headache. Less occurrence of jams
Second link also jam. Secondly that side have nothing. If you do shopping you go Gelang Patah do what?
2nd link got what sia haha... It's not that people are allergic, but amenities are easier to access to when going by Woodlands. 😂
@@MrBoliao98she speaks for Malaysian workers benefit. They use walking to come Singapore work. If tourist they are willing to pay a few dollar for bus fare.
Far away, you need at least an hour to reach JB central from Tuas, people do use 2nd Link but not for the reasons you’re implying. Quite obvious you’re a backseat princess
How does everyday people of Singapore benefits? It seems only the big business towkays and govt will gain. If RTS and SEZ is build, more Malaysians will come to apply jobs which makes more Singaporeans lose their jobs. Secondly, more Malaysians will earn in SG and spend in Malaysia while Singaporeans will go to Johore to spend . So in the end many Singaporean employees and small business will be easily wipe out when these projects are up and running.
Forget clearance. Just get LTA to install its never fail ERP gantries to do satellite deduction of fares for vehicles and people crossing over.
$20 everytime you drive in to singapore or Msia, guarantee you no more jam LOL and better for Singapore property market.
The causeway is not congested. It's just too many Malaysians coming over to make a living as their country failed them.
Many Singaporean go there for marketing(wet market stuffs) & grocery shopping because Singapore failed to control commercial rental causing every good prices to hike left & right.
@@Ziawdeen You edited your comment yet you didn't change the correct word. It's shopping not marketing. Marketing is the process of promoting, selling, and distributing a product or service. facepalm
@@ogapadoga2 "Marketing" is a term used by common man for purchase of Wet Market stuffs. Thank you for your highlight.
@@Ziawdeen The proper term is "Buying provisions" or "shopping". Marketing refers to the activities a company undertakes to promote the buying or selling of its products.
You're right. If we examine the reason behind heavy traffic between both countries, we realise that the underlying factor lies in the economic disparity between the two currencies.
For malaysians, you know the drill. 1:3.5 exchange rate is simply irresistible. They come here to work.
For singaporeans, the cheap goods & services that can be bought and brought back to SG is also very enticing. They buy stuff at a discount with the favourable exchange rates.
If the exchange rates were to be 1:1, there would be significantly less traffic between the two countries. But that would mean an overhaul of the economic policies from the Malaysian side. (which will never happen)
You see the crossings we have across the Singapore River, that's how many we should have.
Ferry service perhaps?
Beside I will thinks a number of things will need to be done as well
The causeway CIQ is constructed many years ago and it is now overwhelmed and is not very effectively catering to the current demand and expectation. Many improvisions had been added and today it look messy, with many added signages, movable cones and water barricades, unnecessary humps, many more automatic barriers purported for necessary security but also added more delays .
It’s overdue time for major overhaul including overall redesign and upgrading and reconstruction to serve for the next 100 years.
For a almost 1 km, it's only need an underground pedestrian tunnel like those from MRT stations to exits. If u notice MRT Marina Bay to gardens by the bay exits have long pedestrian tunnel.
Also, Outram park station to TEL line platform towards woodlands almost 1km in my mind, walking and ups and downs of escalators before u reach the station. I don't know how deep the station but some MRT station may reach up to 8-10 floors deep underground or even more. For example Ampang Park MRT St. near KLCC.
Considering this, causeway is actually outdated n unneeded anymore thus we also can make underground sea tunnel like SMART tunnel in KL which the length is almost 10km (10x the leghth of tambak Johore causeway)
Another option is international cable car with 4-6 lines. This one is more attractive way.
Who is going to pay for it though? They know how to made it perfect a very long time ago. No need us or you to think for them at all. The problem is they can never agree on who is going to pay for the projects and how the profits are supposed to be split and shared. That's the problem. 🙂
@@anglo-saxonconnor817 ask Amir back.
But my personal answer maybe China. How?
Ask Hongkongers.
How does everyday people of Singapore benefits? It seems only the big business towkays and govt will gain. If RTS and SEZ is build, more Malaysians will come to apply jobs which makes more Singaporeans lose their jobs. Secondly, more Malaysians will earn in SG and spend in Malaysia while Singaporeans will go to Johore to spend . So in the end many Singaporean employees and small business will be easily wipe out when these projects are up and running.
The congestion on the Causeway can only be solved when all the trucks and other commercial vehicles are diverted to the 2nd Link. And, it will be shorter distance for trucks plying between Tuas Port and Tanjong Pelepas Port for cargo consolidation. Both SBS and CausewayLink should be allocated with additional pickup/dropoff points at Yew Tee MRT Station and Marsiling MRT Station for looping service to and from JB CIQ.
1. Sheltered walkways @ Causeway.
2. All immigration lanes and booths open 24/7 on both sides.
Hundreds of Thousands fm JB come to SG for Work
1 : 3.5
How to SOLVE ?
😂😂😂😂😂
The last thing i want in SG is for policy makers to take in options from a journalist. All 3 Options "offered" are not viable let alone practical. There's a reason why clearance is done the way it is, to safeguard our borders and national security. Having a passport-less clearance means that Msia would have to implement another clearance checkpoint outside of the SEZ. No practical. SG-Johor travel can't be compared to EU. Totally different concepts.
100yo problem. Few days ago, the leaders were still celebrating the 100yrs anniversary. Clearly very proud still. So if the qn is how can sg mys tackle the problem, the answer is recognise the problem and be SHAMEFUL of it...then they will do something more helpful than releasing 100 birds.
Well said. 👍
It is a Malaysian problem. Only Malaysians are making daily crossings. Singaporeans only cross it during holidays or weekends.
It doesn't help that Malaysians don't have the habit of using public transport. The Malaysian authorities don't even think public transport facilities are important, thought it is a waste of money. Hence all the flip-flop.
Singapore already announce it's plan to purchase land to help ease the congestion for Malaysians benefit but instead, Malaysia sit on the deal, wanted to do a land swap. Trading Malaysia undeveloped land for Singapore developed land instead of selling land for Singapore to develop into a bigger custom.
How does everyday people of Singapore benefits? It seems only the big business towkays and govt will gain. If RTS and SEZ is build, more Malaysians will come to apply jobs which makes more Singaporeans lose their jobs. Secondly, more Malaysians will earn in SG and spend in Malaysia while Singaporeans will go to Johore to spend . So in the end many Singaporean employees and small business will be easily wipe out when these projects are up and running.
I wonder once the Ringgit appreciate against SGD in the coming years, will it still be the same? Because a lot of tech jobs are moving to KL and Johor because of lower cost, thus RM will appreciate below 3.
Change working hours
If Malaysia willing to pay more for the covered walkway on the causeway then ok.
The causeway walkway is usually use by Malaysian who walk to Singapore to work. Those who want to holiday usually use vehicle like bus or mrt or car.
Singaporean who go Malaysia is for holiday or fun trip including shopping so they won't walk back from jb when bus fare is only few dollars.
Should Malaysia pay at least 70% for the covered walkway then it's something Singapore government can consider.
Singaporean already unhappy with the Malaysian coming to Singapore to work, do you think these locals want to use their taxpayers money to build the covered walkway to better benefits the workers?
Malaysian who want to come sg to have fun also rarely choose to walk the causeway but take bus or mrt or simply drive here.
Congestion? Clear more, clear faster, without compromising security. Build more lanes, hire more immigration officers, deploy them especially during the cyclical peak periods when Malaysians come to and return from work. The MRT line into JB with its own separate immigration clearance will definitely help.
Increase the carriage and frequency of KTM trains and it will help solve the issue , 10-15 carriage for a locomotive to pull a short distance isn’t a problem
100 years still jammed everyday, jammed because the causeway are not widen to have more lanes, no point having latest technologies but the causeway lanes still remained slim like the neck of a egret .
More lanes more traffic
u think it's cos of the no of lanes and not cos of the speed of the counters? LOL
How often have you seen all counters opened at both side?
More lanes doesn'tsolve the problem. We need more people to get onto mass transportation(trains and buses). The more lanes you have, the more people will drive. It would help greatly if Malaysia and Singapore could incentive bus companies to provide more bus services cross border(eg: tax exeption if you provide 2 or more bus service lines cross border)
@@tanpengjoo7205 exchange rate 1:1, causeway no jam.
Why Singapore has many Indian citizens? Why! Are Singaporean citizens are really Chinese looking people not an Indian and Pakistan heritage? I hope Singapore will answer this question to enlighten us people around the world who did not know yet the Singaporeans because many thought that Singapore citizens are like a Chinese looking people?
Just build more causeways. Its not rocket science, how do you expect a bridge no wider than the average expressway to accomodate traffic between two countries without congestion when the average expressway itself is usually congested locally.
Provide more sampans for citizens. This is a pain in the neck for too long. More blames for the Malaysia sides. New building and more counters. Same "attitude". Hate to go there in spite of the currency rates. Be nice to see the ill-gotten billions recovered from corrupted ministers and spent on a new super rail line.
Another expert advice..but a journalist..
Anziar has better ideas LOL
Both govt always work hard to make thing complex and never do anything to improve immigration process except issue political statements and then increase tax on anything
PAP must take responsibility for opening up to the world in times of disharmony , vices and massive disease
Ask Msia officers chop faster and embrace technology like SG
Crap ideas by this cna reporter. Ask Malaysia why is it always jammed. Malaysian need to cross the causeway more than us and why should we make it easy for them ?
Add more large ferry services and have some that are dedicated to already custom checked and cleared regular daily passengers. They can get on and off quickly.
They have plenty of time to rectified the problems during covid , but choose to ignore
yes we had 2 yrs of no movement idle tme, we couldve built an airport on the checkpoint crossing by then!
Sheltered walkaway with travelator. Wow! It will be nice. Another alternative ideas!
Maybe China and Taiwan can have a causeway someday - another connection between two countries.
The main reason for the jam is due to SGD1 to RM3.5!
Control prices and wanton population increases in Singapore!!! 😂
If Malaysia side can stop stamping singaporean passport, it can save a lot more times
Go full RFID humans, traffic and cargo.
Ship in workers from Thailand and Vietnam.
More and more bumiputra are coming to work in Singapore this clearly shows that meritocracy will always prevail thanks to LKY
Only After LKY was Caught Red Handed & Paraded at Sikh Police Temple in 2010 , SG Government been taking steps to Correct many of LKY’s Predatory Bad Habits & Racist Policies 😊
Better look at morning congestion at sungai besi toll area
It's too bad that using rail as a way to relieve congestion is only looked at more seriously recently in the form of the KTM Tebrau service and the RTS. Sadly previous solutions such as the railbus wasn't implemented too well and people prefer to travel in the form of cars or motorbikes that contributes to the congestion.
Make JB an expensive state then ppl wont go there hahaha
From Malaysia side, they repeatedly trying to replace the bridge with the new one but Singapore refused to replace. WHY? Now 2024, you guys talk like you didn’t know the answer. The answer is there and you guys keep searching for the answer. Funny
How about limit the work permit coming here😂😂😂😂
@@tankman20064 that’s great. Just do it. It’s better for you guys get worker from India or China. Not just limit the permit you guys can just totally banned Malaysian working there. You guys can do it.
Optional ferry to jb daily
Solution #1: increase capacity;
A) Increase # processing points at both sides/single automated clearance for bulk of travellers (SG & MY citizens)
B) Expand the # lanes on roads both sides, to account for the volume of traffic
C) Increase # ports/entries for all transport types: road, rail, sea, bus, even bike & walking
Solution #2: Passport free travel for SG & MY citizens through some automated system.
That’s it.
The final point: making the border crossing more efficient & frictionless will increase traffic / crossings at both sides (easier/quicker crossing e.g. from average of 2 hours to 10 minutes will attract more people more often), so solutions must consider the increase in traffic and adjust capacity accordingly.
Don’t go Malaysia at all is the solution
Kerja mana tinggal mana!
Both ends to set up a ministry just to handle this until it’s sorted. Too much man hours is wasted here for the last 100 years
Not feasible.Malaysia government and overall system is unstable.
S"poreans are very fortunate because it's the m'sians who cross the causeway to work as migrant workers in s'pore and not the other way round. Many thanks to the PAP govt for being so capable and competent.❤❤
Malaysians are fortunate too because they dont have to pay sg10,000 dollars for a piece of paper valid for 10yrs before they can buy a sg4000 dollar motorcycle
1:1 you come???
What kind of nonsense
Malaysians are fortunate too because their workers work in SG, earn SGD to spend back in their own economy :D
Thank you p. A. P for making Singapore strong, Singapore malaysia got independence on the same day but malaysia started go down the drain and fall because of heavy corruption, crazy bumi Putra rules which makes the Chinese and Indians as a second class citizens in. Malaysia ,
then forcing everyone to learn malay just because they are majority population,
but Singapore didn't force anyone to learn Chinese,
Muslims in Malaysia also get more promotion and high ranking positions goverment,
Indians and Chinese are always given second class treatment in government sector.
Malaysia has oil, aluminium, gas, farming land and still they are 3.5 times weaker then Singapore.... Thank you P. A. P.....
Just like Mexico is for usa...malaysia is a wild wild country for Singapore.
Gun shootings, gang murders, drugs, gang wars, robberies, terrorists, gang rapes, car theft, Islamic terrorism, and all the bad things u can get in Malaysia easily.
We Singaporeans must be truly lucky to get p. A. P goverment and didn't join with malaysia. ❤❤❤❤
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