Air trigger is one of the most powerful reload perks bungie has ever added. It has the highest reload scaler in the game (matching outlaw) and you dont need a kill or anything to activate it. All you need to do is bunny hop when you are about to reload and you have the fastest reload in the game. Also the negative effects of air trigger (reduce target acquisition) only applies to shots taken whilst airborne. So dont jump shoot with it and you will have 0 drawbacks.
@@arianadonis4099according to coolguys video, as long as you are on target it actually helps you hit the target. It’s only if you tend to fire while not on the target that it won’t help as much
You must be a pve player LOL…. In pvp if someone anticipates you jumping when they’ve counted how many shots you fired…. your dead and get shut down for the rest of the match
I actually never knew EP did less damage now. I knew there was "something" about it from DIM, but community insight just says "PvP: don't want to talk about it" (very helpful, thanks).
Probably should include, with 1 kinetic surge mod + adagio you will 2 tap everything, except 10+overshield so it's just void titans you'd have to check.
Ngl I’ve been loving my air trigger opening shot roll. Opening shit is just good for opening the gunfight, and air trigger feels great for outlaw level fast reloads after jumping. Once you get used to it, it feels amazing
Slideways with Zen Moment really makes it feel like a Legendary Sturm. Pair it with Ophidians on Prismatic, I am on POINT. It feels almost good as my Igneous with 100 Range and 65 Stability, but lets me use Duality
Hey comments, my friend who is new to the game posed a question I actually couldn't answer (even after playing so many years since beta): Does Explosive rounds/payload project less precision damage on killing an enemy? Comparing Precision Instrument to Explosive Payload shows that Precision Instrument does more precision damage even though the buff is lower on zero stacks than the flat damage bonus Explosive Payload gives. I wanna say that the numbers don't project overkill damage for Explosive Payload when it consolidates the explosion and the impact damage, but I don't know this either. I'm gonna be honest, I don't even use Precision Instrument, so maybe this is just a thing I haven't noticed since its recent inclusion.
@bobpatel9689 EP does slightly less overall damage. On Rose it's 55 critical and 23 body. So 78 and a regular 140 does 81. I'm not sure the exact numbers on 120's. It's negligible, doesn't change the ttk and it's worth it to me for the flinch. Your 3 taps don't count as precision kills in the crucible with EP though.
It's less damage overall but you don't choose explosive payload for damage. You chose it because the explosion has no damage falloff and for the AOE damage. Also it causes your opponent to flinch. You're trading a bit of raw damage for more utility. He goes over it around 7:22
@@FAUXCUSpd I know it's a 15% total increase, but for Precision Instrument at a single stack, the resulting killing blow number shows that it's way higher in PvE even though Explosive Payload at its base shows less than Precision instrument. That's where my friend was confused because in PvP it makes sense, but for PvE, it consolidates both the body shot and explosive damage into single damage number on hitting a presision hit, which would in theory mean that even if the explosive part of the damage was tacked on because it is no longer calculating body shot damage, it should still edge out Precision Instrument's 4% by like a few hundreds of points of damage. This only appears to happen on the killing blow however, which is why it bothered him. Stacking the damage on Precision Instrument, then dropping back to zero only to get a minor kill with no stacks suddenly doing more damage than a single shot of Explosive Payload confused both of us. Like I said, I am unfamiliar with the how the damage is actually projected not the buff itself, which is weird, Idk why the resulting killing blow projection would be different... unless the direct hit kills before the explosive gets taken into effect, which at that point it wouldn't because the target is already dead.
My rng for banner is cracked this go around. Every natural drop of Crimil so far is max(ish) range (80 on the low, 95 on my max) with all different combos of precision, moving target, opening shot, exp rounds, outlaw, zen, and slide ways 😭 too many good rolls. Need to pick out which to enhance
If you go fluted, accurized and range mw you have 80 range, 36stab and 46 handling. I haven't got that roll yet with Slideways/PI. I've spent every engram so far farming for that roll. I did a few nice ones to drop though. Igneous with fluted, ricochet, keep away and PI is totally juiced though. So is Sturm.
hakke origin trait also works on bleak watcher turrets and destructible suppers like well or bubble, it's a pretty good perk in pvp to destroy these things from a safe distance
I got a max range roll (Full bore, accurized, range MW) It's stupid how far it hits, but i got rid of it because it's bad to handle. Best roll would be slideways kill clip for some 6v6, slideways zen moment for trials.
After trying almoat every perk combination god with all of them having hammer, accurized and arange masterwork (they just kept dropping max range for me) I muat say the one thays felt beat has been a fluted, accurised, stability masterwork with air trigger and zen moment. Its so consistent, feels amazing
I enjoy using Explosive Payload because of how much flinch that it causes, it's saved me in gun fights and duels that I'd likely lose without the flinch
PSA!!!!!!!!!!!! Cross you are wrong, Hakke Breach Armaments also lets you deal increased damage to ALL CONSTRUCTS. Constructs include titan barricades yes, but also Bleak Watcher turrets AND the ever present now HEALING TURRETS. Hakke Breach Armaments might be the more meta pick now for dealing with Speaker's Sight warlocks
For 120 handcannon in pve, I’d go round Robbin over crumbles dagger. It’s got better choices, mainly being that of hatchling, and round Robbin is craftable.
Honestly I love using my crimils with enlightened + adagio. Getting the 2 taps feels amazing when it happens but not a deal breaker when I come into contact with a tier 10 resil player. Only stings a little bit when they survive the 2 tap with 1 hp when it happens.
Adagio leave folks at t10 with 1hp, I've found more time than not it still two taps due to the stunning their toe at some point. Adagio is criminally underrated imo. My current roll I'm seeking is enlighten Adagio, in the meantime I have moving target Adagio and it slaps, just play peaks and enjoy popping heads. 😎
Adagio is legit once you get used to it. I think the ease of use and just hitting shots goes to Iggy right? The handling on some rolls of Crimil can be Criminal. I feel like, if you're a better player, crimil might rival iggy for lethality for anyone who can skill their way past the Slight disadvantage of its stats.
We even using or testing perks or we just going with defaults from the past? Like yep. Haven’t tried anything. But the past says to use this perk so it’s still it.
Enlightened action kill clip really surprised me. Makes the gun feel really good in fights but moving target might be the better option over all but enlightened action plus kill clip is a real good combo together
I have the roll… feels pretty good i think the issue is how slow you fire so you really can only get a total of 4 stacks of zen moment before the fight ends or the timer resets. Its not like a pulse or auto where you notice the stacks max out after the first burst
Well, think i will have to bump up my res and maybe bring it above 3 (i usually play wormhusk hunter, this means that i have to care a lot about mobility and i'd rather sacrifice resilience over recovery, but seems like i will have to find a balance between the two lol)
I can't use thing outside of thirty meters after having several well rolled igneous, prolly just need to get used to it. But I deleted most of em. Lol I guess there still time
I would say I love this thing, but 120s have felt off since the Into the Light precision changes. They don't 2 crit 1 body barely anyone now, and you can't get a 2 rap unless you have adagio.
Air trigger and adagio cooks, way better than outlaw requiring a kill, I can get the same reload by just jumping, and It can 2 tap. Dont sleep on that roll if you get it
i feel like youve been slacking so heres a roll for you. full bore accurized slideways zen moment, range masterwork. 95 range like igneous, 50 stability on a slide, zen moment added procd to x2 from one shot
Igneous is better imo. I use rapid hit/eos with 90 range, 52 stability, 40 handling base. My best crimils rolls are nowhere close, my highest range crimils is like 85 but it has literally 20 handling/stability. Having 90 range with perks that pretty much max out all other stats every single gun fight is just unbeatable.
It’s funny how the editor is trying to hide that except for the info clip Cross is on Hunter the whole video… Putting perks over the class item icons didn’t get me! Meta slave!
I'm gonna be real, as much as I love 120s, Crimil's just feels really sluggish and slow, I guess, compared to Igneous; dunno if it's the bigger model or what, but I think I still prefer Rapid Hit/Precision Instrument on the Hammer
Short answer? It cannot. No 120 can ever compete, no matter the perk combos. Thats just how much of a stat monster Igneous is. You have to nerf its stat or something for 120s to compete. And then they had to give Igneous Precision Instrument, its Joever
Handcannons have been so awful since I came back heard they were worse, but pretty much all hand cannons feel awful as returning player. Bloom is so bad on handcannons. Almost as bad as handling is on pulse rifles.
@@imwarningyou2405 I use to main handcannons, just started playing again a few months back, of course 2018 was the last time I played & I am on PS4 pro so there might be a bit of framerate disparity on my part with all crossplay.
140 hc are still the best, just have to find a roll that suits you I got better devils with moving target and elemental cap on arc, feels like I can't miss
The crimils dagger does compete with ignorant hammer(not a typo.) its stiil worse than ignorant hammer. But not by a large margin. But with the og igneous hammer... No, not even close. That thing makes the new one look kinda bad
Air trigger is one of the most powerful reload perks bungie has ever added. It has the highest reload scaler in the game (matching outlaw) and you dont need a kill or anything to activate it. All you need to do is bunny hop when you are about to reload and you have the fastest reload in the game. Also the negative effects of air trigger (reduce target acquisition) only applies to shots taken whilst airborne. So dont jump shoot with it and you will have 0 drawbacks.
Not being able to jump shot IS a drawback
@@arianadonis4099according to coolguys video, as long as you are on target it actually helps you hit the target. It’s only if you tend to fire while not on the target that it won’t help as much
I hope this perk doesn’t get fucked with! I love it!
You must be a pve player LOL…. In pvp if someone anticipates you jumping when they’ve counted how many shots you fired…. your dead and get shut down for the rest of the match
I got outlaw and adagio... I've been doing fine with the reloads haha. But then again using Duke with outlaw and rampage kind of taught me well.
You've been struck by...a smooth Crimil.
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Merry Crimil! 😂
you tried
You got a chuckle out of me lol😂
Take this like my man
I actually never knew EP did less damage now. I knew there was "something" about it from DIM, but community insight just says "PvP: don't want to talk about it" (very helpful, thanks).
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We're Rich!
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DID SOMEBODY SAY ROCK AND STONE??!!
4:35 Coolguy would say yes!
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It gives you maximum reload for a bunny hop if you’re talking about Air assault. I haven’t watched the video yet. I got hit with an ad.
Air trigger*
Probably should include, with 1 kinetic surge mod + adagio you will 2 tap everything, except 10+overshield so it's just void titans you'd have to check.
I thought surge mods don’t work in PvP?
@@Valus_Ta-aurc they do, just very minimally
Almost never affecting ttk, usually just one or two reciliance forgivness
Sure but to get the surge you’d likely pick up and orb which gives you radiance right now so that should be enough on its own
Bro, if we wanted to know what you think we'd be on your channel.
Adagio itself w it 2 shots
Thought I'd mention if you are radiant and have adagio active you can 2 tap all resil levels
Ngl I’ve been loving my air trigger opening shot roll. Opening shit is just good for opening the gunfight, and air trigger feels great for outlaw level fast reloads after jumping. Once you get used to it, it feels amazing
Opening shit 💀💀
Nah, I'm not hopping around just for that
Nothing beats an opening shit first thing in the morning, i agree.
@@xxdisruptorxx7077 my aim in crucible is mid at best so just knowing that 85% of the time I hit the first shot is so helpful
2:39 this was obviously the best time to show the player those banners Bungie. Great job 👏🏾👏🏾🙄
If not for Coolguy everyone would still hate Air Trigger lol.
I got the hammerforged rm accurized rounds moving target precision instrument and its nutty at mapping ppl
Slideways with Zen Moment really makes it feel like a Legendary Sturm. Pair it with Ophidians on Prismatic, I am on POINT. It feels almost good as my Igneous with 100 Range and 65 Stability, but lets me use Duality
00:00 I like girthy cannons that spit. It’s not too thick either. Too much thickness is a detriment, especially aggressive frames.
Lmao
My Crimil's with 400 kills has Smallbore, Steady or Accu Rounds, Moving Target/Adagio. It feels so good.
Hey comments, my friend who is new to the game posed a question I actually couldn't answer (even after playing so many years since beta): Does Explosive rounds/payload project less precision damage on killing an enemy? Comparing Precision Instrument to Explosive Payload shows that Precision Instrument does more precision damage even though the buff is lower on zero stacks than the flat damage bonus Explosive Payload gives. I wanna say that the numbers don't project overkill damage for Explosive Payload when it consolidates the explosion and the impact damage, but I don't know this either. I'm gonna be honest, I don't even use Precision Instrument, so maybe this is just a thing I haven't noticed since its recent inclusion.
@bobpatel9689 EP does slightly less overall damage. On Rose it's 55 critical and 23 body. So 78 and a regular 140 does 81. I'm not sure the exact numbers on 120's. It's negligible, doesn't change the ttk and it's worth it to me for the flinch. Your 3 taps don't count as precision kills in the crucible with EP though.
in pvp you do less damage over all, where as in pve it gives you a damage buff actually
It's less damage overall but you don't choose explosive payload for damage. You chose it because the explosion has no damage falloff and for the AOE damage. Also it causes your opponent to flinch. You're trading a bit of raw damage for more utility. He goes over it around 7:22
@@FAUXCUSpd I know it's a 15% total increase, but for Precision Instrument at a single stack, the resulting killing blow number shows that it's way higher in PvE even though Explosive Payload at its base shows less than Precision instrument. That's where my friend was confused because in PvP it makes sense, but for PvE, it consolidates both the body shot and explosive damage into single damage number on hitting a presision hit, which would in theory mean that even if the explosive part of the damage was tacked on because it is no longer calculating body shot damage, it should still edge out Precision Instrument's 4% by like a few hundreds of points of damage. This only appears to happen on the killing blow however, which is why it bothered him. Stacking the damage on Precision Instrument, then dropping back to zero only to get a minor kill with no stacks suddenly doing more damage than a single shot of Explosive Payload confused both of us. Like I said, I am unfamiliar with the how the damage is actually projected not the buff itself, which is weird, Idk why the resulting killing blow projection would be different... unless the direct hit kills before the explosive gets taken into effect, which at that point it wouldn't because the target is already dead.
My rng for banner is cracked this go around. Every natural drop of Crimil so far is max(ish) range (80 on the low, 95 on my max) with all different combos of precision, moving target, opening shot, exp rounds, outlaw, zen, and slide ways 😭 too many good rolls. Need to pick out which to enhance
For 6v6 Crimil’s > Igneous
If you go fluted, accurized and range mw you have 80 range, 36stab and 46 handling. I haven't got that roll yet with Slideways/PI. I've spent every engram so far farming for that roll. I did a few nice ones to drop though.
Igneous with fluted, ricochet, keep away and PI is totally juiced though. So is Sturm.
don't care about how much of my screen it takes up, WE FINALLY HAVE A GOOD HAKKE HAND CANNON (that isn't pure poetry)
hakke origin trait also works on bleak watcher turrets and destructible suppers like well or bubble, it's a pretty good perk in pvp to destroy these things from a safe distance
I got a max range roll (Full bore, accurized, range MW)
It's stupid how far it hits, but i got rid of it because it's bad to handle.
Best roll would be slideways kill clip for some 6v6, slideways zen moment for trials.
After trying almoat every perk combination god with all of them having hammer, accurized and arange masterwork (they just kept dropping max range for me) I muat say the one thays felt beat has been a fluted, accurised, stability masterwork with air trigger and zen moment. Its so consistent, feels amazing
I hate that they increased the health on guardians. Miss the consistent 2 taps on Adagio
I miss the one tap duke
I enjoy using Explosive Payload because of how much flinch that it causes, it's saved me in gun fights and duels that I'd likely lose without the flinch
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11:00 not Cross’s fault but that right there is what’s cancer currently.
But the good thing is that the virus is easy to kill, bc they have to run really low res.
@@pemker sure I guess.. the virus is still deadly
nice vid my man :}
PSA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cross you are wrong, Hakke Breach Armaments also lets you deal increased damage to ALL CONSTRUCTS. Constructs include titan barricades yes, but also Bleak Watcher turrets AND the ever present now HEALING TURRETS. Hakke Breach Armaments might be the more meta pick now for dealing with Speaker's Sight warlocks
Ooh I've been waiting for this one
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I still break out my old one with drop mag occasionally. I love this gun.
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For 120 handcannon in pve, I’d go round Robbin over crumbles dagger. It’s got better choices, mainly being that of hatchling, and round Robbin is craftable.
Honestly I love using my crimils with enlightened + adagio. Getting the 2 taps feels amazing when it happens but not a deal breaker when I come into contact with a tier 10 resil player. Only stings a little bit when they survive the 2 tap with 1 hp when it happens.
Strategist + Adagio with aeons and radiant dodge is fun!
Adagio leave folks at t10 with 1hp, I've found more time than not it still two taps due to the stunning their toe at some point. Adagio is criminally underrated imo. My current roll I'm seeking is enlighten Adagio, in the meantime I have moving target Adagio and it slaps, just play peaks and enjoy popping heads. 😎
Hey cross, got something to lose your mind. What’s a faster reload, air trigger or field prep? 😅
Haven't played Destiny 2 in a long time, but I do remember having a old Crimil with Rampage and Kill Clip... Would it 2-tap in pvp??
I got a moving target / opening shot roll. I'll see how I like it but I think air trigger/ kill clip could be the way to go
Hey Cross ik this is a crimils vid but if you have shoulder charge with spirit of contact you can one shot guardians again with the melee
I used to love hot swapping with this and Le Monarque. It was so good lol
Adagio is legit once you get used to it. I think the ease of use and just hitting shots goes to Iggy right? The handling on some rolls of Crimil can be Criminal. I feel like, if you're a better player, crimil might rival iggy for lethality for anyone who can skill their way past the Slight disadvantage of its stats.
Plus cool guy made a cooo video including air trigger. He was hitting some nice in air shots
Was going through my vault and found a goated igneous
We even using or testing perks or we just going with defaults from the past? Like yep. Haven’t tried anything. But the past says to use this perk so it’s still it.
Speaking of storm could use a lil juice maybe precision instrument?
Strum buff when?
I love Crimil's Dagger and it was my favorite 120 for a very long time but Igneous overall is just better imo. It just feels smoother and stickier
Enlightened action kill clip really surprised me. Makes the gun feel really good in fights but moving target might be the better option over all but enlightened action plus kill clip is a real good combo together
I've been looking forward to this
I’ve just been using my old max range duke with 89 range and snipin folks with rampage
3:10 bro was sent to oblivion
Curious to see moving target with zenmoment on high range.
I have the roll… feels pretty good i think the issue is how slow you fire so you really can only get a total of 4 stacks of zen moment before the fight ends or the timer resets. Its not like a pulse or auto where you notice the stacks max out after the first burst
@rob3497 ok so still not great. So far 60 range and max handling and stability then gives a good 3 tap and feels decent but not super great.
Instantly replaced my top slot when I want to use beloved or matador... still use hawkmoon for slow matches though
Air Trigger + Adagio is insanely good.
I have this with moving target and precision instrument its very very good
Well, think i will have to bump up my res and maybe bring it above 3 (i usually play wormhusk hunter, this means that i have to care a lot about mobility and i'd rather sacrifice resilience over recovery, but seems like i will have to find a balance between the two lol)
I can't use thing outside of thirty meters after having several well rolled igneous, prolly just need to get used to it. But I deleted most of em. Lol I guess there still time
I didn't get an igneous, so having a good Crimils feels really good to me
i miss when you tested these out in pvp matches
I would say I love this thing, but 120s have felt off since the Into the Light precision changes.
They don't 2 crit 1 body barely anyone now, and you can't get a 2 rap unless you have adagio.
Air trigger and adagio cooks, way better than outlaw requiring a kill, I can get the same reload by just jumping, and It can 2 tap. Dont sleep on that roll if you get it
yo Cross can you check out the Black Scorpion-4SR from forsaken
I want to like it… I love the way it looks, but I just don’t like the feel
Still waiting for the 120 with cascade point + offhand strike. Mini last worddd
I have an igneous with heal clip / precision instrument is that a good pvp roll?
Precision is the one you want but not heal clip
May size went from 7-8. I only know cuz I pulled out my old crimils to compare. Did bungie lie or was this a bug?
Can 120s with kill clip 2 tap?
Only if resilience is below 5
@@josephparrino7563 ah dang
My o.g, triple tap roll goes hard.
i feel like youve been slacking so heres a roll for you.
full bore accurized slideways zen moment, range masterwork. 95 range like igneous, 50 stability on a slide, zen moment added procd to x2 from one shot
Dude. Air a trigger is the absolute best thing since sliced bread.
Tf happened to steady hand? I always clap shit when I use it
Outlaw/kill clip, be my blade once more
Igneous is better imo. I use rapid hit/eos with 90 range, 52 stability, 40 handling base. My best crimils rolls are nowhere close, my highest range crimils is like 85 but it has literally 20 handling/stability. Having 90 range with perks that pretty much max out all other stats every single gun fight is just unbeatable.
Got the 5out5 just sitting in my vault collecting dust I hate hand cannons lol 😂
What’s your build???
i spent over 100 engrams and never got slideways/precision instrument
Praying for Something New(Old) to compete with Igneous Hammer.
I got enlightened action , precision and stability masterwork…rest is history
It’s funny how the editor is trying to hide that except for the info clip Cross is on Hunter the whole video…
Putting perks over the class item icons didn’t get me! Meta slave!
I wish acd would get a new ornament.
Short answer, in 3v3, no, it doesnt compete. In 6v6, its pretty good.
Air Trigger is literally best in slot. It is not even close.
Moving target is so nice but the feel of air trigger is unmatched
People getting hyped about Air Trigger forget Field Prep exists in this game
That’s because field prep doesn’t exist on this season’s Crimil’s Dagger.
I'm gonna be real, as much as I love 120s, Crimil's just feels really sluggish and slow, I guess, compared to Igneous; dunno if it's the bigger model or what, but I think I still prefer Rapid Hit/Precision Instrument on the Hammer
Short answer? It cannot. No 120 can ever compete, no matter the perk combos. Thats just how much of a stat monster Igneous is.
You have to nerf its stat or something for 120s to compete. And then they had to give Igneous Precision Instrument, its Joever
steady hand should have been a no brainer
Brought to you by Hakke.
I'll stick with my Rose great roll.
This is NOT how I wanted to find out Explosive Payload got nerfed. Say it ain't so.
Or if Timed Payload fairs any better
Air Trigger + Adagio. I will DIE on this hill.
They should have brought back steady hand instead 😩
Handcannons have been so awful since I came back heard they were worse, but pretty much all hand cannons feel awful as returning player. Bloom is so bad on handcannons. Almost as bad as handling is on pulse rifles.
i’ve been doing pretty good with handcannons
@@imwarningyou2405 I use to main handcannons, just started playing again a few months back, of course 2018 was the last time I played & I am on PS4 pro so there might be a bit of framerate disparity on my part with all crossplay.
140 hc are still the best, just have to find a roll that suits you
I got better devils with moving target and elemental cap on arc, feels like I can't miss
Honestly not even fair comparing other 120s to igneous lol that thing is such an outliar with its stats
This thing two taps on a daily basis
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Welp it was fun Bois but Air Trigger nerf should be expected soon now
I just never got a good role when the dam thing
A close aternative that is more "accessible" than an Igneous, but it's not better.
The crimils dagger does compete with ignorant hammer(not a typo.) its stiil worse than ignorant hammer. But not by a large margin.
But with the og igneous hammer...
No, not even close. That thing makes the new one look kinda bad
All I know is that it’s a damn good hand canon if you can’t get igneous
The short answer is - no.
If Iron Banner weapons were so good, why isn't everyone using them. Why aren't they META?
I like this gun