Have lots of Fjallraven clothing and equipment and absolutely love most of it. Purchased the Eco Shell jacket 2 years ago for use in the Scottish Highlands and UK Lake District. On the 2 occasions I have used it in rainy conditions it has wetted out within 15 minutes leaving me soaked through and at risk of hypothermia despite having reproofed with Fyallraven DWR spray. As a loyal Fyallraven customer I have to say I am really dissapointed that a jacket costing £450 has failed on the 2 occasions it was really needed to perform. I am now using a 10 year old Rab EVent jacket that keeps me dry. Love how the jacket looks and the ethics behind it but could not recommend it for typical UK conditions.
So by using a hydrophilic membrane is the water in very wet (but cold) conditions going to be "sucked" to the inside once the face fabric is soaked. Because the DWR is not going to keep the face fabric dry forever. Or will the membrane still keep me dry and just be not breathable anymore ?
When the face fabric is soaked (wet out) the jacket will not breathe and will become a like a plastic bag. Therefore the sweat builds up inside the jacket and then you and your clothes will get wet. You will get cold. Besides that the wet face fabric will also become very cold. It happened to me in the mountains and I got slightly hypothermic. That’s the biggest problems with membrane jackets unfortunately. Because of that I’ve invested in a GoreTex Shakedry jacket that doesn’t have any face fabric. The membrane is the outer layer and cannot wet out and get me cold as a result. It will be way less durable though.
Hello Fjällräven, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Before buying your poncho, i used a different brand and the difference is night and day: I usually walk off-trail and where no one else would dare to go and i sweat a lot, so i often get moist/wet when walking and i avoid rain jacket and rain pants; its noisy and it makes me hotter. The old brand of poncho i used was so bad at breathing, that i actually took it off since i got more wet by condensation than the rain. Then i bought your poncho and i must say that the breathability is just superb; i can keep it on while sitting and having a coffee and my sweat evaporates much much better than the other brand. I no longer have to choose between wet from sweat or wet from the rain! And it keeps my backpack dry (A Stubben by the way) 🙂
My question is what is the purpose of the middle membrane if the waterproofness is done by the spray? I'm also interested to know what the spray actually does. My experience is that no jacket survived a heavy rain and not sure if the dwr just washed out with time from smaller rains or it will never repel the water no matter what i do.
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Hi Cristian! The purpose of the membrane is to transport moisture from inside the jacket out. It is a constant compromise between breathability and waterproofness. For example, a plastic bag is 100% waterproof, but the inside would become very humid and eventually you would become wet, simply because the moisture that you create have no where to go. And on the other end of the spectrum, a really airy and light jacket, made for hot summer months will not provide any waterproofness. So, creating a jacket that is breathable, waterproof and environmentally friendly is tricky, that is why many use PFC's in the impregnation, however it is really bad for the environment. The DWR needs to be re-impregnated over time with a PFC-free impregnation spray to keep its function, so if you experience a function loss, I hope this answers your question, have a nice Friday! / Lucas
It’s so neat to see how they make these products and what materials they use to make them better ☺️ #longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting #getreadyforanywhere
Keb Eco Shell is possibly my best Fjallraven purchase. Total confidence of staying dry in the rain 🙏 It’s not lightweight or very packable but definitely worth it 💪🏼
What would you suggest for sub-tropical (hot / humid)? It seems the eco-shell could actually work in the reverse way (not good). Same for the "hydratic"?
Most waterproof & breathable shells have the same tech which requires the humidity inside the jacket to be higher than that outside for water vapour release. They're not effective in very hot and humid countries. They may be worse than getting wet naturally because you have a useless wet shell on you. In those climates you have a few options. Wear fast drying clothes because you're going to get wet. Worry more about wind blocking when it's severe than waterproofing and wear stuff with a pertex outer layer which provides some light shower protection but mostly blocks wind. Wear clothes like Paramo which use a completely different weather proofing tech (Nikwax Analogy) that has some pluses in humid climates. Abandon jackets and wear a poncho. Go for air permeable waterproofing such as Polartec Neoshell. Just a little bit of airflow makes a big difference in comfort. Neoshell at 10k h/h performed better for me than GTX at 28k because Neoshell didn't wet out. It actually felt like the modest airflow was drying the membrane. Unfortunately Neoshell had serious supply chain issues because it was an early electrospun air permeable membrane but there are other alternatives now. I understand Outdoor Research's Ascentshell and North Face's Futurelight are similar but I've never tried them. The takeaway is most waterproof breathable membranes simply don't work under these circumstances but are great in colder and less humid weather.
I have the hydratic jacket, just purchased it. Beautiful article though I put it on and stood in the shower to test it and it rapidly soaked through and was moist on the inside. Is this typical?
I haven’t tried eco shell yet but with other solutions I haven’t found one that will keep me dry all day. I’m a delivery rider and in heavy rain that lasts for hours I always end up soaked. Is this inevitable? Would ecoshell keep me dry for longer, and if so for how long in heavy rain with me being active as well and so producing moisture from the inside too?
Hey! Great material, love my keb jacket but it starts to get water inside when it rains, in which product should i clean it? It could be a nikwax for goretex? And afer it your ofc spray in dryer? Can you Tell Me this step by step?
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Is it the Keb jacket or the Keb Eco shell jacket you have?
I have been using a hydratic torne jacket for almost 10 years now and is still one of my favorite jackets when it comes To functionality and fit. Always wash it with nikwax but is that actually any good?or are there better soaps/impregnations for the hydratic garments?
Felicitaciones por vuestra "filosofía de empresa"....Sigo vuestros vídeos desde hace años. Ojalá pudiérais tener unos precios más competitivos....por lo demás lleváis la meta de la calidad hasta las últimas consecuencias. Hay prendas para el frío que en este cambio climatológico, como ocurre en España, resultan poco usables con la subida de temperaturas. Saludos desde Madrid!
I discovered this brand more than seven years ago at Naturkompaniet in Gothenburg and I have never abandoned it since. Some of the garments I bought then are still a main part of my daily winter and spring clothing here in Italy where I use to live without showing any signs of wear. They are not cheap but their price justifies the great and durable quality.
So the High Coast Version is or isn’t a substitute for the Keb Eco Shell in summertime? And why the High Coast doesn’t have these practical chest pockets as well?
I am Indian living in Denmark who uses a lot of Fjallraven products. The humidity is simply too much in most places in India to wear shells. My recommendation would be to use technical fabrics, carry extra set of clothes to change out of...its warm in India so being wet should not be an issue. In India, where its so humid, you can be wearing 100% cotton or linen, which are breathable and yet get soaking wet with sweat. But if you are in a cold place or higher altitude then ofcourse you will need a jacket!
I absolutely love everything about Fjallraven
Have lots of Fjallraven clothing and equipment and absolutely love most of it. Purchased the Eco Shell jacket 2 years ago for use in the Scottish Highlands and UK Lake District. On the 2 occasions I have used it in rainy conditions it has wetted out within 15 minutes leaving me soaked through and at risk of hypothermia despite having reproofed with Fyallraven DWR spray. As a loyal Fyallraven customer I have to say I am really dissapointed that a jacket costing £450 has failed on the 2 occasions it was really needed to perform. I am now using a 10 year old Rab EVent jacket that keeps me dry. Love how the jacket looks and the ethics behind it but could not recommend it for typical UK conditions.
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I find a hard time to find wind and waterproof jacket that don't feel wet inside after being in rain for a while #longlifelesswaste
Me too
So by using a hydrophilic membrane is the water in very wet (but cold) conditions going to be "sucked" to the inside once the face fabric is soaked. Because the DWR is not going to keep the face fabric dry forever. Or will the membrane still keep me dry and just be not breathable anymore ?
In the Keb Eco Shell jacket the membrane is waterproof and can stand minimum 20000 mm waterpillar regardless of condition of the face fabric.
@@70kungbore Thank you very much.
When the face fabric is soaked (wet out) the jacket will not breathe and will become a like a plastic bag. Therefore the sweat builds up inside the jacket and then you and your clothes will get wet.
You will get cold. Besides that the wet face fabric will also become very cold. It happened to me in the mountains and I got slightly hypothermic. That’s the biggest problems with membrane jackets unfortunately.
Because of that I’ve invested in a GoreTex Shakedry jacket that doesn’t have any face fabric. The membrane is the outer layer and cannot wet out and get me cold as a result. It will be way less durable though.
Hello Fjällräven, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Before buying your poncho, i used a different brand and the difference is night and day:
I usually walk off-trail and where no one else would dare to go and i sweat a lot, so i often get moist/wet when walking and i avoid rain jacket and rain pants; its noisy and it makes me hotter.
The old brand of poncho i used was so bad at breathing, that i actually took it off since i got more wet by condensation than the rain.
Then i bought your poncho and i must say that the breathability is just superb; i can keep it on while sitting and having a coffee and my sweat evaporates much much better than the other brand.
I no longer have to choose between wet from sweat or wet from the rain!
And it keeps my backpack dry (A Stubben by the way) 🙂
Thank you for the feedback! : )
I’ve always been a fan of the style, not to mention it’s actual usability in extreme weather
My question is what is the purpose of the middle membrane if the waterproofness is done by the spray? I'm also interested to know what the spray actually does. My experience is that no jacket survived a heavy rain and not sure if the dwr just washed out with time from smaller rains or it will never repel the water no matter what i do.
Hi Cristian! The purpose of the membrane is to transport moisture from inside the jacket out.
It is a constant compromise between breathability and waterproofness. For example, a plastic bag is 100% waterproof, but the inside would become very humid and eventually you would become wet, simply because the moisture that you create have no where to go. And on the other end of the spectrum, a really airy and light jacket, made for hot summer months will not provide any waterproofness.
So, creating a jacket that is breathable, waterproof and environmentally friendly is tricky, that is why many use PFC's in the impregnation, however it is really bad for the environment.
The DWR needs to be re-impregnated over time with a PFC-free impregnation spray to keep its function, so if you experience a function loss,
I hope this answers your question, have a nice Friday! / Lucas
#benqinmotion
It’s so neat to see how they make these products and what materials they use to make them better ☺️ #longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting #getreadyforanywhere
Need some rain gear for those stormy, surf days on the great lakes! Love this! #livelonglesswaste
I must admit, I’m a big fan.
Keb Eco Shell is possibly my best Fjallraven purchase. Total confidence of staying dry in the rain 🙏
It’s not lightweight or very packable but definitely worth it 💪🏼
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What would you suggest for sub-tropical (hot / humid)? It seems the eco-shell could actually work in the reverse way (not good). Same for the "hydratic"?
Most waterproof & breathable shells have the same tech which requires the humidity inside the jacket to be higher than that outside for water vapour release. They're not effective in very hot and humid countries. They may be worse than getting wet naturally because you have a useless wet shell on you.
In those climates you have a few options. Wear fast drying clothes because you're going to get wet. Worry more about wind blocking when it's severe than waterproofing and wear stuff with a pertex outer layer which provides some light shower protection but mostly blocks wind. Wear clothes like Paramo which use a completely different weather proofing tech (Nikwax Analogy) that has some pluses in humid climates. Abandon jackets and wear a poncho. Go for air permeable waterproofing such as Polartec Neoshell. Just a little bit of airflow makes a big difference in comfort. Neoshell at 10k h/h performed better for me than GTX at 28k because Neoshell didn't wet out. It actually felt like the modest airflow was drying the membrane. Unfortunately Neoshell had serious supply chain issues because it was an early electrospun air permeable membrane but there are other alternatives now. I understand Outdoor Research's Ascentshell and North Face's Futurelight are similar but I've never tried them.
The takeaway is most waterproof breathable membranes simply don't work under these circumstances but are great in colder and less humid weather.
Arc’teryx GTX or this??
Love this brand! #longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting #getreadyforanywhere
great to see how you can archieve all of this while still being sustainable
I have the hydratic jacket, just purchased it. Beautiful article though I put it on and stood in the shower to test it and it rapidly soaked through and was moist on the inside. Is this typical?
You have some very interesting products.
#longlifelesswaste
Awesome! #longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting #getreadyforanywhere
Great backpacks great video #longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting #getreadyforanywhere
This is my favourite brand ever 😍😍😍
Great video! #longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting #getreadyforanywhere
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a shirt worn by a designer
What is the product name?
How cool! #getreadyforanywhere #natureiswaiting #longlifelesswaste
Great for staying dry & warm!
I haven’t tried eco shell yet but with other solutions I haven’t found one that will keep me dry all day. I’m a delivery rider and in heavy rain that lasts for hours I always end up soaked. Is this inevitable? Would ecoshell keep me dry for longer, and if so for how long in heavy rain with me being active as well and so producing moisture from the inside too?
i love it! #longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting #getreadyforanywhere
Hey! Great material, love my keb jacket but it starts to get water inside when it rains, in which product should i clean it? It could be a nikwax for goretex? And afer it your ofc spray in dryer? Can you Tell Me this step by step?
Is it the Keb jacket or the Keb Eco shell jacket you have?
#benqinmotion
I love this brand! Top quality stuff.
I have been using a hydratic torne jacket for almost 10 years now and is still one of my favorite jackets when it comes
To functionality and fit. Always wash it with nikwax but is that actually any good?or are there better soaps/impregnations for the hydratic garments?
Thank-you for keeping me dry on adventures regardless of the weather, and helping me feel good about my choice
#longlifelesswaste
Thanks for the explanation.
Nice to have this winter
Thank you for sharing this.
Quality beyond all others.
this is so innovative!! #longlifelesswaste #getreadyforanywhere #natureiswaiting
Innovative amazing products
#natureiswaiting
Good job 👏👏👏
Love Fjällräven! Quality products!
#longlifelesswaste
nice #longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting
Wonderful video!
So much incredible work for amazing gear!
shells jackets are a must when you live in a rainy city! #longlifelesswaste
I just bought an Arc’teryx Zeta AR hard shell jacket. I love fjallraven though and have lots of their pieces!
#longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting #getreadyforanywhere love it!!
Looks fantastic, very similar to Paramo ❤
Keb Eco Shell is freaking amazing! :) Also the Bertagen Eco Shell!!!!! :)
I look forward to having one of these bags one day!
I definitely need to get me some Fjallraven rain gear.
So very helpful.
Such an interesting brand. And awesome giveaways!!
Looks awesome.
Designing products for longevity is an Earth-friendly practice! #longlifelesswaste
#longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting #getreadyforanywhere Love this video!
tasteful and functional #longlifelesswaste
I am looking for a new waterproof shell. Thank you for this educational video! #longlifelesswaste
cool #longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting
Great products 👌
Awesome product that are for more than money #longlifelesswaste
These are very useful!!
Cool! #longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting #getreadyforanything
I really love these videos thanks for posting them! Great insight.
I’m definitely ready for rainy days #longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting
Keep up the great work! #longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting
Love the materials
Love this brand!
What great products.
I want to try on one of these.
Felicitaciones por vuestra "filosofía de empresa"....Sigo vuestros vídeos desde hace años. Ojalá pudiérais tener unos precios más competitivos....por lo demás lleváis la meta de la calidad hasta las últimas consecuencias.
Hay prendas para el frío que en este cambio climatológico, como ocurre en España, resultan poco usables con la subida de temperaturas.
Saludos desde Madrid!
I would love this brand for climbing gear 🥰 #longlifelesswaste
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Great philosophy!
Good work 👍
That's a sexy shell 😳
Can't wait to be out and about in the rain in one of these jackets! #getreadyforanywhere
sounds like just what I need
I discovered this brand more than seven years ago at Naturkompaniet in Gothenburg and I have never abandoned it since. Some of the garments I bought then are still a main part of my daily winter and spring clothing here in Italy where I use to live without showing any signs of wear. They are not cheap but their price justifies the great and durable quality.
Great video
A chilly and drizzly morning being described as a yucky day will forever drive me crazy. I live for inclement weather #longlifelesswaste
#longlifelesswaste #getreadyforanywhere #natureiswaiting 🥳🥳🥳
So the High Coast Version is or isn’t a substitute for the Keb Eco Shell in summertime? And why the High Coast doesn’t have these practical chest pockets as well?
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Will you ship your products to India🇮🇳?
I am Indian living in Denmark who uses a lot of Fjallraven products. The humidity is simply too much in most places in India to wear shells. My recommendation would be to use technical fabrics, carry extra set of clothes to change out of...its warm in India so being wet should not be an issue. In India, where its so humid, you can be wearing 100% cotton or linen, which are breathable and yet get soaking wet with sweat. But if you are in a cold place or higher altitude then ofcourse you will need a jacket!
Definitely a must for daily life in a rainy city! #longlifelesswaste
Super helpful!!!
Thanks for information!!! 😍🇧🇷🇨🇦
Wooo! #longlifelesswaste #getreadyforanywhere #natureiswaiting
What shirt or jacket is the guy on the left wearing?
Hi, It is the Övik Re-wool shirt LS but it is no longer produced unfortunately.
I'm ready for rain now! #longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting
Great for my hiking day, which I do at least once a week, rain or shine #longlifelesswaste
Best gear ever!!
I need one of these!!! #longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting #getreadyforanything
These look like great weather gear. I go out a lot so I'm tempted to get a few #longlifelesswaste
This is so cool!
Thanks for the info in differences in fabrics. #longlifelesswaste #natureiswaiting #getreadyforanywhere
#longlifelesswaste great vid! Thank you!
Love ecofriendly designs
#longlifelesswaste
It's awesome how much was put into your line #longlifelesswaste
Great for Seattle!!
Was it just suggested that we purchase both jackets? Haha
Love the videos
Love these eco-shells - aspire to work on a creative project with you one day. #longlifelesswaste
Thank you for all the helpful information. Reminded me of science class. #Natureiswaiting
£520 for the first one!
Definitely for the kids that went on school ski trip types!