We can learn a lot from how Australia treats their heroes, War memorials in the capital of Australia
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- Vlog#5 ! The adventure has finally started and we start in the capital of Australia! No it's not Sydney.... it's Canberra! Here we visited the National memorial and it's museum. Followed by going up and down ANZAC parade which is filled with memorials
What do you think of how Australia treats their heroes and how they educate the people? Does your country do it different?
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There is a meeting room in Parliament house where decisions to use the armed forces are made. At the end of the room a full length door is opened and you look directly at the war memorial, to remind the politicians of the consequences of their decisions.
wauw thats very smart and amazing! They should do that in Washington or Moscow haha I feel like they need such a thing
The politicians dont care still, you only have to look at the recent invasions we have been part of.. You'd think they would remember ww2 when we were almost on the receiving end of it. Sad our boys who have died on the wrong side of history in recent wars following the yanks.
People hear of the War Memorial and think it is just a monument and don’t realise it is an incredible museum, great that you could show it.
Yeah it actually amazed me the entire trip to see that every one of them has a museum
Thank you for taking the time to visit our national war memorial and recognising our fallen heroes . THEY SHALL NOT GROW OLD AS WE WHO ARE LEFT GROW OLD, AGE SHALL NOT WEARY THEM NOR THE YEARS CONDEMN AT THE GOING DOWN OF THE SUN AND IN THE MORNING WE WILL REMEMBER THEM, LEST WE FORGET
Lest we forget
FYI, the original wording was "Contemn", meaning "to dull" or "lose its lustre". This makes a lot more sense than "Condemn"! Why would we ever want to condemn their memory? However, the wrong word has been used so often [and 'contemn' is such a rare & archaic term] that it is now the official wording. Lest we forget.
@@andrewgeraghty7495 It's only become rare and archaic because of laziness, disrespect and ignorance. How ironic that the word has been treated with such contempt. Contemn it is.
@@majorlaff8682 THANKS Major Laff. We did something similar with what is now our national anthem ["Advance Australia Fair"]. It originally had a verse mentioning Captain Cook and "with all her faults, we love still, Britannia rules the waves". Unsurprisingly, that verse is completely unknown and absent.
@@andrewgeraghty7495 Here ya go, Andrew:
Australians all let us rejoice,
For we are young and free,
We've golden soil and wealth for toil,
Our home is girt by sea,
Our land abounds in nature's gifts,
Of beauty rich and rare,
In history's page, let every stage,
Advance Australia Fair!
In joyful strains then let us sing,
"Advance Australia Fair!"
When gallant Cook from Albion sail'd,
To trace wide oceans o'er,
True British courage bore on him,
Till he landed on our shore,
Then here he raised old England's flag,
The standard of the brave;
With all her faults we love her still,
"Britannia rules the wave!"
In joyful strain then let us sing,
"Advance Australia Fair!"
Beneath our radiant Southern Cross,
We'll toil with hearts and hands;
To make this Commonwealth of ours,
Renowned of all the lands;
For those who've come across the seas,
We've boundless plains to share;
With courage let us all combine,
To advance Australia fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
"Advance Australia Fair!"
While other nations of the globe,
Behold us from afar,
We'll rise to high renown and shine,
Like our glorious Southern star;
From England, Scotia, Erin's Isle,
Who come our lot to share,
Let all combine with heart and hand,
To advance Australia fair!
In joyful strains then let us sing,
"Advance Australia Fair!"
Should foreign foe e'er sight our coast,
Or dare a foot to land,
We'll rouse to arms like sires of yore,
To guard our native strand,
Britannia then shall surely know,
Beyond wide ocean's roll,
Her son's in fair Australia's land,
Still keep a British soul.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
"Advance Australia Fair!"
Additional religious verse
With Christ our head and cornerstone,
We'll build our nation's might,
Whose way of truth and light alone,
Can guide our path aright,
Our lives a sacrifice of love,
Reflect our Master's care,
With faces turned to Heaven above,
Advance Australia Fair,
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair!
The placement of the AWM was so that when politicians walked out of parliament they would see the memorial and be reminded what their decisions can cause.
Yeah that's a great metaphor
Great video! The protest you came across in front of Old Parliament House was the Aboriginal Tent Embassy which has been there since 1972.
Wauw since 1972?! thats commitment!
The Dutch are very respectful of allied forces who helped liberate them. A cousin of my grandfathers was shot down near the town of Weert and he and 2 other crew members have pride of place in the small local cemetery where they are commemorated every year. His son who was yet to be born when his father died aged only 22 is apparently made very welcome every time he visits.
Wauw thanks for sharing, thats amazing to hear. How a sad situation turned into something warm and created new connections. It's weird how life works sometimes. But yes we Dutch still appreciate it for sure but I think the government could still take some lessons from Australia.
General Monash during the battles in France taught the world how to fight a modern war.
The Easter Battle at Tobruk was the first time the Germans were defeated by the 9th Division. The same division stopped the Japanese for the first time on land at Milne Bay. My Dad served in the 9th Division from 1940 until 1945. I have no idea how he survived the horrendous battles he took part in.
Wauw that's amazing! He was made of steel probably. good to know he came back at least. Thanks for sharing!
We have WW1 ANZACS in our family and my daughter visited the beach burial site of my grandfather’s brother at ANZAC Cove in Turkey. My father served in the 2/48th Australian Infantry Battalion (included the “Rats of Tobruk”) during WW2. The 2/48th was the most highly decorated Australian unit of the Second World War. Thank you both for the respect you showed to our memorials and museums. There are monuments in every town and city because there was hardly a family in Australia who wasn’t directly involved in the wars and so many lost a family member. For instance, my father and seven uncles served in WW2.
Wauw your family really fought the toughest battles. My deepest respect to these heroes! And lest we forget.
It was a pleasure to shine a light it. Because Australia is far away our history is not involving them a lot, because it's mostly focused on the European theatre of course. But people forget the "minor" players often. A lot of the fighting was done by various armies and peoples and the combined cooperation gave us victory. The Polish fighter pilots above Britain, the Indian and Pakistani armies in Africa and Asia, the Morrocan Berbers fighting in Italy, the Papuas helping the Aussies through the jungles without understanding what the hell was happening in the world. So many break throughs were done by 1 man armies or just 1 group.
The saddest story now is the Russian invasion of Ukraine because it over shadows the sacrifes of the Soviet soldiers fighting REAL Nazis and liberating Europe. Some were even killed in Ukraine by Russian rockets.... Imagine that
My great uncle was a bomber pilot volunteer protecting Australia during WWII! I have never been to see these memorials, it's past time I did! Thank you for reminding me and showing respect for our armed forces!! 🌅🇦🇺😪
That's amazing, was he stationed in the Pacific theatre or the European one? My grandfather was in work camps in Germany and later in Dresden working in a bakery for 14 hours a day. He survived the mass bombings of Dresden and later was sent to a concentration camp where he was saved by the Soviets and had to walk back home by himself.
You should definitely check them out because as I said, Australia does an amazing job telling their stories!
Lest we forget
@@thecluelesstraveller He joined up after the Darwin bombings, from Tasmania! He mainly flew around the Australian coast and sometimes to the Asian Islands! He was a highly decorated Flying Officer responsible for protecting Allied ships and stopping Japanese submarines from reaching the coast - as in Coffs Harbour and Sydney Harbour! He died during a special American mission in an American plane lost at sea near Indonesia, (due to a refueling error) at age 29, and was never found! His memorials are at both Darwin and Canberra! It sounds like a very hard time for your Grandfather, I am so glad he survived! 🤗 Yes, Lest we forget! 😪
Wauw that's impressive! He was certaintly part of the greatest generation. That's sad but unfortunately not uncommon, the amount of people still needed to be found is massive (the Eastern front has entire battlefields full of them). I hope one day he will be found or forever will have his peace where ever he may be. Well the poppy I put in the wall was also for him :). Yeah mine was lucky, my other grandfather survived the terror bombardment of Rotterdam and was also sent to a labour camp. But these stories are common around here.
@@thecluelesstraveller Thank you, it's sad that he never had a family, he was the heir and very much loved! I hope he passed quickly, he was my hero! Yes, most Australians who fought in Europe never came home either, we are grateful to the Turks and French for providing memorials! Europe will be scarred forever, war is absolutely horrendous! Interesting that Japan killed so many us in their labour camps, but are now one of our best allies! I hadn't heard much of enslaved Dutch workers before, I imagine they were treated harshly judging by the horrors enacted on the populations of other countries they invaded! 😪 Yes, many European survivors emigrated here in the 1940s! 🤗🌄
My grandfather was in Egypt and on the Western Front during WW1 and my husband’s father was on the Kokoda Trail and my husband was involved in the Vietnam War. All survived. We have visited the National Memorial several times. It is well worth a visit or two. You will not be disappointed.
Just tripped over your videos. Very interesting on your take on Australia. One day in Canberra, bit of a rush mate, so much to do and see there. I myself could spend days in the War memorial on its own.
Yes it was what we could fit in our planning, but our main focus was meeting up with family later on in the places where my family had lived, so this was like a bonus for us. But to be fair you can say that almost about every place.
That's why I always end my videos with my quote "Forget what you did NOT see and only your memories will be left to remember". Because people sometimes focus to much on what they didn't see and then forget what they actually DID see
@@thecluelesstravellerwhat a lovely sentiment. I will remember that of and on my travels…
Each poppy represents the personal visit of a family member to remember a fallen family member, my family have 2 poppies on those walls
That is true indeed, so many families in Australia were hit by these wars. I think almost anybody has a poppy somewhere
Australia is on my list of places wanted to go
I live near the Great Ocean road, I can confirm it’s utterly beautiful
Australia is a great place to live
I heard the cities are clean no litter no smog
@@stormworks4882very clean. Very little litter and very clean air compared to most cites.
I think I have probably visited the AWM about four or five times over the years and every time there has been big changes. All wars should be contested by the politicians who think they are necessary. One thing that is impossible to display is those who do return but whose lives are changed forever. The physical scars can often be seen but the mental scars are not visible.
Wauw that's impressive, maybe next time I will be there I will see something else! Yes definitley, the survivers carry it for the rest of their lives. My grandpa survived the Rotterdam bombing and a forced labour camp, he never spoke about it. My other grandpa survived the Dresden bombings and forced labour and even a concentration camp and he always spoke about it. Everyboy deals with it differently
Excellent! You did an amazing job in your coverage of the war memorial and the overall battle history. Impressive. Thank you
Thanks a lot! It was a pleasure for sure!
Thank you for this video - a very respectful and knowledgeable insight and trip around important sites in Canberra
Thank you very much! I liked it a lot and my goal is just to inform people about Australia's sacrifices!
The use of poppies comes from the famous world war 1 poem, "In Flanders fields":
Short days ago We lived,
felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved,
and now we lie In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep,
though poppies grow In Flanders fields.
Yes that's true!
So glad you visited our country. Hope you enjoyed your time and I do hope all goes well for you in the future, you and your father. Take care.
Thank you very much, It was a blast going to my second home, my dad was also happy to be back home again after such a long time
Excellent coverage of the memorial. Thank you.
Thank you very much! I did my best
Great video, thank you very much for this tour.
Thanks a lot! It was a pleasure
as canberran hearing "city not really interesting" lol that's the secret we keep telling ppl.
Maybe and probably we just saw it on a bad day, it was also just 1 day and it was Sunday and weather wasn't great. So I guess we missed some stuff maybe.
My mother's uncle fought in New Guinea he was a driver in WWII. He never drove again because of the stress of driving at night in the mountains without lights. You missed seeing the the Royal Australian Mint.
Damn that's impressive, driving in such a hostile territory with old cars and Japs everywhere must be scary! Especially if after that he never drove again.
Yes we were only here for a day, maybe next time I see more :)
" They have bike paths here " "Surprisingly ! " C'mon we're not that backward, lmao.
It's not that strange considering Australia is massive and bikes don't make a lot of sense. Unless indeed you are in a city. So it's not about being backwards, it's about if it's useful for a country of course. The Netherlands is flat and small so biking makes sense. But this isn't the case for most countries in the world. So it's a positive surprise
Well done!
Thanks a lot!
To be fair, there were Brits, Indians and a few Kiwi's at Tobruk as well.
The Germans also fought.
Absolutely true, generally talking about the ANZACS it always includes the kiwis and the Indians were the back bone of the entire British army in most areas.
@@thecluelesstraveller I served for 10 years, I had the privilege to be an ANZAC and "Digger". FYI you are not an ANZAC unless you deploy as a joint task force with NZ forces. They are infact 2 seperate armies from 2 seperate nations.
MOSTLY the fought in Europe, where they made up only 10% of the allied force, but inflicted more than 25% of all casualties on the Germans while also taking 25% OF ALL ground taken from the German, also the ONLY major ALL volunteer army in WW1
wauw that's fascinating! Yeah WW1 had people fighting all over the place, places most people forgot about
Shame you visited the memorial during the renovations.I was there while the work was underway and unfortunetly many of the exhibits are in storage.And those on show are displayed in ways that don't necessarily do them justice.
Yes it was a bummer, did you see less than what I saw or just different things? It was interesting nevertheless
Don’t forget the Dutch have their own colonial history and the mistreatment of indigenous peoples, Indonesia for example. After WWII, the Dutch went back to Indonesia to set up the colony again and went to war against the Indonesians who were fighting for independence, much like the Vietnamese and the French.
For all the glitz and glamour and hoo-ha on the surface, such as lavish War Memorials, there is also a dark side as well, which is conveniently forgotten, we sometimes treat VC recipients like war criminals.
I am not aware of these things, I have heard something about a case but I can't say anything about it apart from that it's up to the legal system to do their duty.
@@thecluelesstraveller a sensible comment.
There is only one VC recipient I am aware of who's been branded a war criminal. He sued the media outlets that made these claims. Millions was spent by his legal team. Many of his former comrades testified against him. Even his ex wife did. The Court looked at all the evidence and decided the media outlets had got it right.
They held a Last Post Ceremony for my Great Uncle just last week. They do a Last Post Ceremony every day.
It is a very sombre occasion, wreathes are laid, and once a month they have the full 3 Forces Honour Guard.. (Which they had for my Great Uncle).
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Wauw thats amazing, the amount of effort they still put in is astounding to me! Amazing video
The Dutch army was in Australia during WW2 We allowed the Dutch to Operate as Country inside ours they had their own Courts and Police and actually had some hangings of there criminals in Australia.
Oh wauw I didn't know it was that deep and established. See! We barely talk about the Asian theatre here, it's a shame. Thanks!
@@thecluelesstravellerThey had come out of the Dutch East Indies? There were many Dutch civilians interned by the Japanese too. There’s a famous BBC drama series Tenko about a woman’s camp featuring Dutch characters, I am sure they must have had it in the Netherlands back in the day. They were often marched through the jungle from camp to camp with very poor rations, many died of malnutrition and disease.
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The Dutch were actually driven out of Indonesia by the Japanese during WW2.
That protest is the Aboriginal Tent Embassy. It has been there for more than 40 years now.
Damn that's a long time!
@@thecluelesstraveller it's sort of an institution now. It was started when the old parliament was still in use.
That is the aboriginal tent embassy
Very interesting
On the flip side, we name our roadside toilets after VC winners
for real? well I guess the most important part of a roadtrip is a dunnee....
Lake Burley Griffin
Thanks!
The legal stance of all governments in Australia was that Aboriginal people were not to be molested by government, and that held. There were settlers and Aboriginals that did clash, and the Tasmanian situation is our one black spot if I could use that expression. The British had no nation to treaty with at the time this country was settled. There is still no treaty, and their cannot be one, for if we went down the treaty road we would have to have at least 270 treaties because that is how many Aboriginal languages were spoken then, so let's assume one language, one "nation". Aborigines did not see how a treaty would work then, and most Aussies feel the same way today.
The USA (American) government made countless treaties with its so called "First Nations" peoples, and has broken or repudiated every one of them. They have a long history of government sanctioned war against their native populations, where-as prior to 1776 the British and the tribes worked together to ensure peace and prosperity.
Australia can be proud of its record in relation to its dealings with Aboriginal people compared with our cousins, the USA, and every other colonising nation on earth, except possibly Cyrus the Greats treatment of the exile Hebrew elite in Babylon four and a half millennia ago.
Well in general almost everywhere except maybe New Zealand the treatment of aboriginals was pretty bad. Same goes for Australia, it's just not taught good enough to the general public and they don't want to hear it.
Of course compared to the USA most countries do it better haha. I don't know about Cyprus or that history, that's a very far away history.
But Australia has a lot to work on still like many other "new world" places. We stayed with a family in Sydney and they were Aboriginal origin, she was a professor and researched the treatment of Aboriginals in Australia and the fact that the Aboriginals were the only ones that never signed away their land like others did.
She told us that from her family most people were shot and killed by settles or farmers. She was already older now at 48 than any of her grandparents became, because they were all randomly killed by farmers back in the day, and obviously the police didn't care about it. They weren't in any system.
and that's just 1 story of many unfortunately
I didn't write Cyprus - I wrote Cyrus, as in Cyrus the Great, king and emporer of Babylon who released all the hostages held by his predecessors.@@thecluelesstraveller
The worry is that today, we have intercontinental nuclear missiles.
We also have the same madness that started all wars. 😂😂😂😮
Yes that's the scary stuff, on the one hand we have never had so much peace as now, but on the other hand this is mostly because of people have nukes, so it's peace maintained by fear of annihilation....
they treat the dead ones like gods ,,,, if you survived however
What about it?
@@thecluelesstraveller just like in america mate , they say theres help but veteran self check out rates dictate otherwise , and for most it seems even the blokes who didnt come back are only remembered once a year as an obligatory activity
I prefer Melbournes
Yes I also liked that one a lot, maybe not as big but still very impressive!
Yeah we treat our heroes great by accusing them of war crimes and public humiliation.
I am not aware of these cases but I leave up to the judges to decide whats true or not. Trias politica must do its job
Looks can be very very deceiving!!!
What do you mean?
@@thecluelesstraveller Maybe just take a look at how the govt's of Australia have actually treated a lot of our service folks in the past..Museums etc are glitz to make it look like they care. I wish I was wrong but it's the way I see it. Thanks
They were NOT actually liberated from TOBRUK , they withstood all the attackes t he Germans threw at them and are credited with being the first troops in the world to stop a German Blizkrieg attack, the Australian division that went to Greece and then to Crete was th 6th, the division that fought at Tobruk was the 9th and some of the 7th, none of these went to Greece, but went to the Pacific to fight the Japanese. I am not sure what research was done for this vid and the dialouge. Seems like not that muc.
Well at some point the siege was lifted I mean by the advancing allies. That's interesting thanks!
I didn't research it into detail no, it's just what I learned there and knew from myself.
The "siege" wasn't lifted while the Australians held it and as in my previous advice, they packed up and went south, they were relieved by a greater number of troops, including lots of South Africans and more Poles, some of which, but not that many, had been there through the "siege" these troops were better armed, better equiped, as the Australians had bought them time with their stubborn defence, 8 months in fact, which gave the others who took over time to build up and replensish, but they could not hold and the garrison surrendered.@@thecluelesstraveller
Just a bit MORE on that, if it's ok....The concept of being cut off was a fact , but they were cut off by the CHOICE to go into Tobruk, it was the only supply harbour for the British close, so the Australians made the choice of going into Tobruk to hold it as they knew the other allies were retreating and they would be cut off. Reading Erwin Rommels memoirs is interesting ( have NO idea how he found the time to do that.) The Germans in their first reports said the Austalian morale was low and they got a shock when it wasnt. Indeed of a night the Australian infantry would put on rubber shoes over their boots ( so the wouldn't be heard) and creep into the German lines with knives - this unnerved the Germans quite a lot. @@thecluelesstraveller
Didn't you learn how Canberra is pronounced when you were there? Weren't you even listening?? It's "Can-bra", okay, with the emphasis on the Can.
I am an online teacher and I mostly teach non native English speakers, so my English has changed in a way that I over pronounce everything so to be clear to non native English speakers. I try to speak as neutral as possible
Another cringeworthy pronunciation attack. I tire of seeing these sorts of attacks on visitors to another country. It happens too many times. I gather you're one of those perfect people who has perfect pronunciation in whichever country they visit.
You won't learn much if you watch how they are treating one of our hero's, Ben Robert Smith, its frankly disgusting.
I don't know the details about it, but I can only say that I hope the trial goes according to the law and the law prevaisl. We actually had a simialr thing here with Marco Kroon. Who did some stupid stuff afterwards and also lost his fame.
If he shamed the uniform he deserves what he gets.
Interesting comment. “IF” what he has been accused of is true, then that’s pretty disgusting.
They have no proof, what they did was to interview (by video) a member of the Taliban. now your a smart cookie, if you were a taliban member what would you say if you had the opportunity. @@evaadams8298
But thats the point, he hasn't shamed any uniform@@nicolad8822
75th anniversary of the 1st world war not the 2nd world war.
Ah oke thanks I miss read it probably