Excellent example of what a pilot should do. ATC appeared to be delaying their turn back to JFK, they just got on the radio and said I'm going there anyway clear the road. Perfect. AVIATE, NAVIGATE, COMMUNICATE. Excellent job
For all of you enroute and approach controllers, please don't ask pilots to waste valuable time giving you souls and fuel if you aren't going to bother to pass the info on to the next controller.
I thought the same since Newark is closer. The only thing I could think is they wanted JFK because it’s a delta hub so they would have maintenance on-site who could look at the issue.
This is a very common misconception. And a fair question. As others have said, they were simply too high it would literally have taken them longer to descend into Newark airport that it would to glide into JFK. I actually had this happen once with smoke in the cockpit at 13,000 feet over LAX... Made more sense to nose in for Van Nuys airport, then to try and do an emergency descent into LAX. Literally would've taken the same amount of time.
The following is NOT a critique of the crew's work. It is an alternative approach to the evolution. I would have declared a Pan Pan initially. Why? Because a fuel gauge showing low can mean the plane is losing fuel or the gauge is bad. Additionally, a 400 mile flight would require close to two hours of fuel. The crew identified the leak a few minutes into the flight. They explained the reason for the divert and where they wanted to go. Had the fuel leak been so bad that they lost all fuel out of one wing, they still would have had close to an hour to get back on the ground prior to fuel exhaustion. For those reasons, this Monday morning captain would have declared Pan Pan. All that said, this crew did well. The plane landed, and all walked away. Bravo Zulu
Why do crews not declare a Pan or Mayday in situations like this instead of wasting ATC time? The initial call should clearly state the problem and intentions etc. Hopeless R/T as usual..
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That was the most flawless long series of communications I have ever heard from an aircraft in an emergency situation. Kudos
Excellent example of what a pilot should do. ATC appeared to be delaying their turn back to JFK, they just got on the radio and said I'm going there anyway clear the road. Perfect. AVIATE, NAVIGATE, COMMUNICATE. Excellent job
Well handled emergency for crew and ATC. ATC handling was spot on, makes an IFE so much easier for the pilots. Communications we’re spot on.
I'd have thought they should have got the emergency staff to check that they were not still leaking fuel before they went to the gate.
For all of you enroute and approach controllers, please don't ask pilots to waste valuable time giving you souls and fuel if you aren't going to bother to pass the info on to the next controller.
I always wonder that too, but maybe with changing conditions they want an approx estimate on fuel as close to landing just in case?
They ask that because if they crash they need to know how many bodies are they looking for and the search radius
You should be Emperor of the FAA. Then you can demand everyone does everything simply to please you...
@@buckhorncortez we are the people of the FAA!!
Hope the checked the runway at LaGuardia
Seems like 22L is designated for emergencies .
1.5 hours of fuel is an emergency?
Why not go to Newark which looked right there? Just curious…
Maybe a little too high
I thought the same since Newark is closer. The only thing I could think is they wanted JFK because it’s a delta hub so they would have maintenance on-site who could look at the issue.
They were too high for it. Faster to land at JFK.
This is a very common misconception. And a fair question. As others have said, they were simply too high it would literally have taken them longer to descend into Newark airport that it would to glide into JFK. I actually had this happen once with smoke in the cockpit at 13,000 feet over LAX... Made more sense to nose in for Van Nuys airport, then to try and do an emergency descent into LAX. Literally would've taken the same amount of time.
The following is NOT a critique of the crew's work. It is an alternative approach to the evolution.
I would have declared a Pan Pan initially. Why? Because a fuel gauge showing low can mean the plane is losing fuel or the gauge is bad. Additionally, a 400 mile flight would require close to two hours of fuel. The crew identified the leak a few minutes into the flight. They explained the reason for the divert and where they wanted to go. Had the fuel leak been so bad that they lost all fuel out of one wing, they still would have had close to an hour to get back on the ground prior to fuel exhaustion. For those reasons, this Monday morning captain would have declared Pan Pan.
All that said, this crew did well. The plane landed, and all walked away.
Bravo Zulu
I wonder why they didn't choose to land at Newark. They were right there when they declared the emergency.
"We got a warning on takeoff" but we just ignored it and continued...
"on takeoff" might mean during the takeoff run or the initial climb, so they might not have been able to abort at the time...
@@thomasafb They were climbing through 15K 20 miles from the airport before taking any action?
Takes a while to run all the checklists
They mentioned it was a caution message. You don’t abort takeoff for that if you’re above 80 knots.
@@saxmanb777 Nobody said anything about aborting the takeoff.
Why are these always at LGA or JFK!!?
Why do crews not declare a Pan or Mayday in situations like this instead of wasting ATC time? The initial call should clearly state the problem and intentions etc. Hopeless R/T as usual..
TH-cam pilot onboard, fasten your seatbelts.
You tell em Goose
What a privilege to have a TH-cam expert Arthur T in the chat. You may not know but he also no doubt holds Facebook certifications as a law enforcement expert and highly regarded surgeon.
@@JG187 he’s the Dewitte of TH-cam aircraft channels
@@JG187 You mean you can't just flip a quick U turn and go back? Turn your hazard lights on so people know you have a problem.