Man, I wish Sonoff should realise their market position and worked more tightly with Home Assistant. Imagine there was an option to control HA entities -- whew, they would sold out immediately. I mean, if there ever is an ESPhome sketch we could use to flash it, I'll definitely try it out.
I totally agree! Imagine this switch with a cloud-free firmware and no need of a Neutral *wire. Wouldn't everyone here buy at least one of them? Yeah, every company wants to have their own "ecosystem" but making a flexible product would make the product even popular... All tech-products have a small lifespan due to rapid advance of technology, so why not make your products available to everyone ?
Honestly, it shocks me that sonoff hasn't just directly partnered with Home Assistant and made a line or products specifically designed for Home Assistant.
@@petethomson no neutral switch? You meant wire? That's never gonna work. This thing draws to much power for a lamp, it will stay on permanently if you don't have a neutral
@@QuintenBuyckx yeah I meant neutral wire. I have a 4-gang Athom switch that can control up to 200W, without Neutral (230V) Do you thing it will consume more than that?
A few more sensors like motion-sensor, proximity for the dimming of the panel itself and light level would make this a no-brainer. Home-Assistant compatibility provided...
Agree, lux & humidity sensor too. Minimise the amount of sensor devices needed, which are usually battery as well. Motion sensor as you say, and a nightlight mode to barely illuminate the area by the switch (love the ones on the Ring smoke alarms)
Got a question! Are the 2 physical switches on the panel can be linked to a non wired lamps (so we dont really have to connect the physical switches with any cable)? Or maybe even a scene that we set up on the app?
the temperature sensor could be picking up the internal heat of the unit as well I don't have one but I'm sure the screen gets warm which adds a few degrees for the sensor to pick up
Anyone interested in picking one of these up? Who wants to flash one?! 😱 Kickstarter starter now live, pricing is great: www.kickstarter.com/projects/sonoffnspanel/sonoff-nspanel-smart-scene-wall-switch?ref=1pgsz0
Definitely interested in getting at least three or four … and if there’s a compelling reason to flash em with something else then would definitely do so.
this is the kind of smart tech I've been dreaming about for years, be nice if they could do a range of sizes and very much looking forward to the tasmota flashing video
if it requires a login to a cloud service, there is no way I'm installing it in my home. People need to be more aware of the risks of buying products that require a cloud login to function, or proprietary mobile apps.
I just installed one - I love it. Wish the instructions let me know about swiping up so I could change the Landscape to Portrait orientation. I would love to have access to a larger panel as I have a lot of devices. Camera integration would be very helpful, as well.
The need for a neutral wire at the light switch is a real killer for older homes where only the live wire is present at the switch. That's a shame because the panel looks awesome with real potential if/when it can be fully integrated with Home Assistant local control.
Problem is, without a neutral wire it either has to do one of two things: 1. Be a dimmer, and only dim to 1%, so that it doesn't shut off altogether... This wouldn't allow it to run the screen anymore though when your lights are "off". This is how most switches that don't require a neutral wire work. 2. Have the switches do nothing, and be "always on", so that it always has power, and then instead you'd likely need to use smart bulbs and have the switches control them. This is more doable, but it forces you to buy smart bulbs to make it work, which immediately ruins its sellability. Either way, it wouldn't work for a panel like this, and sadly, neutral wires are just required to get smart devices to properly work, since they need to be always on.
Im busy rewiring my whole house. DIY every night after work. I got no neutral and my wiring is still wrapped in a type of hardened cloth from the 50s. Tired of missing out on all these neutral based IoT devices. So a man gotta do what a man gotta do.
What is a huge issue for this is that most homes, at least where I live, have their light switches about 1m-1,20m from the floor. These panels look awsome but if you are looking and reaching down all the time it gets old real fast. So it might be a direct drop in, but in a lot of cases it would be worthwhile to move the actual switch upwards. Depending on the wall type this is not always easy.
Hi again. It seems that Sonoff has released a new firmware version that supports Home Assistant natively without the need for flashing. Maybe you could do a followup video? 🙏
Hi, Have you ever been able to get the temperature unit to go to F on the NS Panel? I have uninstall and reset, and keep getting the same error "failed, please try later" . Looking at all the videos, I ve never seen the device showing Fahrenheit....Thanks for any insight, love the info you share
Are the 2 physical switches customisable? In that for a room with just one standard light they can be on/off, or one button to toggle on/off the other to be used as a virtual switch for another device (room lamp on smart plug)? Or with a dimmer, is one button for dim and the other brighten? If these can definitely be flashed then they are a game changer for my setup, where neutral wires are available anyway.
Really interesting. I am not sure I would want it yet. But if I could do a full integration to HA and ESPHome I def would be interested. Relays are only 2 amps. Is that safe to use as a wall switch?
Only interested in this if I can flash it with my own firmware so I can integrate it with Home Assistant How have Sonoff ignored Home Assistant for so long?
Could the switch bot be connected to the Sonoff Ns panel display. There is an thermostat option. I would like to use switchbot to toggle on en of my Zibro laser stove. I can set an temperature scene on my Sonoff ns panel over the Ewelink app. It would be awesome if the switchbot or something similar fingerbot could be paired with that. Hopefully some on can test that out. Nice video
I control my living-room light with a sonoff touch and alexa. Is it possible to change the touch with a nspanel and still turn the light on/off with alexa ?
Would this work with WiFi GU10 downlighters? Is it Tuya Smart Life compatible or just ewelink? Looking at getting some WiFi downlight bulbs and would love to know whether this could control them
Hi! Nice device. I have one question. How can create a scene who stop the heating when open the windows using NSpanel, sonoff basic and zigbee door sensor?
Hey does it tell you how long you let the light on because I am a watts and kilo watts fighter meaning if my bill comes at a price abnormal, than I add up the hours I used the utilities at home and add it all up a watts cost 0.001 USD a Lifht bulb uses 70watts multiply the watts with the price of a watts an that your total use . So I want to know if this device does counts the time you left anything on.
Do you know if it is possible to assign any other function to the physical buttons? Like driving another Sonoff rather than activating the NSPanel relay. If not possible from his app do you know if it can be done with Tasmota?
I'm with the folks that want to keep there stuff out of the cloud. I'm also into home automation, and I'm not sold on the idea that a fancy light switch -- operated manually -- really meets that goal.
Yeah I'll definitely replace all my current sonoff light switches with this. But still run a main dashboard on a tablet in the kitchen. This beats me having to buy multiple dashboards for each room and having to worry about powering them, getting the mount on the wall perfect and all that. Especially here in South Africa its not as easy to cut a hole in a wall :D
I’m asking myself whether I should go with the sonoff touch panel switches or actually have this. Ideally I would like to have a panel that would be able to control the lights in my apartment.
Looks like a great thing to use. I'll probably not use it as I need a whole home control display. Talking about that, do you know a free of charge way for a single app launcher?
As someone looking at Smart Switches and swindled into spending fucking $129 total for a fucking completely useless Caseta Light Switch & another $74 for a fucking TOTALLY USELESS fan switch, this is God damn CHEAP at $74.90. Tell them they're about to get a customer with a ton of orders as soon as this thing drops. 10/10 exactly what I was looking for in a smart switch. Controls lights through panel, has alternative functionality tied to it, can still be used on app...and if turned off, doesn't disable the device. God damn. Finally. Thank you for making this video. I'm adding this to my favorites, following you, and 100% buying this the moment it drops.
I ordered the EU version because I like the shape and I’m doing it for a project in the RV if it doesn’t do Fahrenheit, I’m gonna send it back. That would be really stupid. They both should do Fahrenheit and Celsius both of them also go from 100 V to 250 V which is excellent. I’m gonna be using it with a diesel heater.
Can we get to the needed pins on the screen to flash the nextion? If so, child's play to make this thing cloud free. I had a bad experience with nextions that were not nextion. They were off branded and you can't use the standard hmi builder with them..only a Chinese version. There could be this problem ..aaah the First world problems .. And of course we need North America switch box size too ..
Cant wait to get my hands on 1, as you mentioned, would love a lovelace display on this!! Size options would be nice, and options for more physical buttons, 3/4 gang switches 👍
For the price this is very promising. Some smart light switches (Innovelli for example) cost as much or more with no display. If it can control devices that are not Sonoff and connect to ST, HA, HE, then these things will fly off the shelves. I'll take about 10 of them myself. Yes I like that they can control just 1 room. That would be my use case.
Nice video. I want to buy one of these and connect it to 2 LED strips 24v. Something like the Stripes on your video. Could you please share how you did this? I mean, could you list all the things I need in order to make rgbw strip work with these switches? 1. SONOFF panel 2. RGB Strip 3. Controller? (if so, which brand? Wifi of Bluetooth controller? )
I ordered the EU version because I like the shape and I’m doing it for a project in the RV if it doesn’t do Fahrenheit, I’m gonna send it back. That would be really stupid. They both should do Fahrenheit and Celsius
Are you going to review Brillant Home ? I'm still looking to a kind of hub / screen that would replace multiple switches ( like Brilliant can replace 2-3 switches )
This is an awesome product and looks great. I only have one question. Can I control wireless switches (Like a Sonoff Mini) with the main buttons? I'm planning to replace a single gang switch and use the extra button to control a floor lamp
I just received mine, which I ordered in November on Kickstarter. I didn't turn it on yet. My first impression: I like the color, it looks good and it seems to be professionally produced. My first impression of the two buttons is not so good. If I press each button exactly in the middle of that button then they work fine. But if I press a button near the outside frame then it does not switch, or maybe only if I press hard. And this is the situation with a brand new device. I am not confident those switches will work reliable, especially over years. Maybe they will address this mechanical problem in the later production version.
@@EverythingSmartHome ahhh okay I didnt know that, this is definitely much cheaper but obviously with less option than brilliant. But for the price I would definitely get some myself, could you say these can replace my lutron caseta switches?
motion sensor in the bedroom.... that's why they didn't do that. would be turned on for most by their movement in their sleep. adding that light to a room can mess with some while sleeping. Though the option to ADD a motion sensor to trigger that response might be better, to allow for the angle of the sensor to be adjusted.
Not really a valid reason when they could add the option to disable the motion sensor for example in a certain room, or they could have time schedules for when it was active.
I'm so pleased someone else also warns people of kickstarters. I've vowed to never buy anything else via a kickstarters and I wasn't even burned that bad by it. I'm constantly having to explain to friends and family that kickstarter isn't a shopping site.
Right, but what are the chances that a company like Sonoff will drop this project? Delivers are in planned to be already in December which means that the product is finished, Sonoff must already have secured all semiconductors and other HW for the project. Well time will tell :-)
Best news was the fact it was ESP based and Nexion display. Homebrew FW should only be a matter of time. Sonoff are happy to sell you something to hack 👌🏻
@@EverythingSmartHome I don't own the house so I can't make permanent modifications and I'm stingy, lol. It's not the product for me but they look great. Pity there's no motion sensor or ability to call home assistant services and add text sensors, if I owned the place I wouldn't buy for these reasons but I'm sure they will be a suitable product for a lot of people's needs :) Thanks for an honest non bias review
Good to point out that the device needs a neutral but it's perhaps worth stating that this is likely to be a significant barrier to use here in the UK. Most homes have a live-loop for lights with no neutral available at the switch. Some of the more enthusiastic of home automation enthusiasts might think they can export a neutral feed from a nearby power socket but that can introduce significant hidden dangers, especially to anyone performing work on the electrical installation in the future. Other opinions are available, of course, but I don't think it's realistic (or safe) to suggest that a device like this is a DIY install for the vast majority of UK home owners.
For UK homes... Could you put a sonoff mini in the ceiling rose for doing switching (via WiFi) , and then repurpose the 2-core switch cable as a live + neutral supply to the wall display? (rather than it being a live + switched live)
Good suggestion but there are a couple of regulatory hurdles to overcome within UK legislation. The first is around "maintenance free" junction boxes - anything hidden (behind a wall or in a roof cavity) needs to have maintenance-free connections and it would be difficult to suggest that a separate switched low-voltage device satisfies that. The next is around wiring - you could certainly repurpose existing ways but you would need to sheath each connection with an appropriate colour, including the outlet from the distribution board. Bear in mind, also, that most UK lighting circuits are rings so this means re-purposing and re-sheathing every node in the circuit. The goal is laudable - that any future electrician sees a black or blue line and assumes that this is a switched live return rather than a potentially live feed. What you're suggesting is perfectly reasonable but the UK wiring regulations are especially stringent and (in my opinion) with good reason.
Control Hue groups of bulbs? Shame it's not available in white, as black doesn't fit well at times... Shame it hasn't got a light sensor so it brightens/dims according to brightness of room.
I saw a review of the US model yesterday and was a little surprised to see it being only 2 amp. That makes it a bit too risky in my mind. The us format looks nicer and the huge square EU model wouldn't fit the wallboxes here. I'd end up having to sort an external box which isn't optimal. Other than that, once it is usable on esphome, I would be very tempted and will likely grab a couple for experimentation. Wiring up a humidity sensor might be the first project.
Hmmm... So - yes - this is obviously an interesting proposition. But for 74$ is it competitive against a 2-3yr old budget tablet of phone? Probably not, especially if the tactile feel of those two switches means little to you. In fact, there are a ton of ways one can either reproduce or surpass this. And you don't even need Home Assistant installed necessarily - you could use something like TouchPortal + HomeAssistant and/or MQTT plugin instead, and make your own custom skin. Also, no need for a neutral wire (which is something a few EU homes struggle with). That said, Kudos to Sonoff for realizing there is a market for something like this in what seems like a very decent effort.
Great video Lewis. I'd love to get some of these, but sadly my home is too old to have the necessary neutral wire. Hopefully someone will find a workaround for that over time like they've done with some of the regular switches.
There will never be a work around. You can't leach the required current for a display and a MCU off the two hot wires or the lights will glow all the time. The wor around is to add the neutral.
I have a 2 switch Brilliant switch in my foyer, and I can get almost 8 of these compared to the one Brilliant switch I have. I really want to back this, but my experiences with Kickstarter campaigns, have definitely not been the best!
This kind of price for a light switch is hard to justify I think, especially as it might look dated after just a few years. Might make more sense for commercial settings. Whole home display I can justify, smart automations for each room are good, but a display for each room is putting form over function I think.
first thing that came to my mind when i saw it, was it has to be a nextion.. its a very neat package, shouldnt be long for people to throw homeassistant compatible ui`s on it
Man, I wish Sonoff should realise their market position and worked more tightly with Home Assistant. Imagine there was an option to control HA entities -- whew, they would sold out immediately.
I mean, if there ever is an ESPhome sketch we could use to flash it, I'll definitely try it out.
No doubt someone will sort this in the future.
I totally agree!
Imagine this switch with a cloud-free firmware and no need of a Neutral *wire.
Wouldn't everyone here buy at least one of them?
Yeah, every company wants to have their own "ecosystem" but making a flexible product would make the product even popular... All tech-products have a small lifespan due to rapid advance of technology, so why not make your products available to everyone ?
Honestly, it shocks me that sonoff hasn't just directly partnered with Home Assistant and made a line or products specifically designed for Home Assistant.
@@petethomson no neutral switch? You meant wire? That's never gonna work. This thing draws to much power for a lamp, it will stay on permanently if you don't have a neutral
@@QuintenBuyckx yeah I meant neutral wire. I have a 4-gang Athom switch that can control up to 200W, without Neutral (230V)
Do you thing it will consume more than that?
A few more sensors like motion-sensor, proximity for the dimming of the panel itself and light level would make this a no-brainer. Home-Assistant compatibility provided...
I agree, V2 perhaps!
Agree, lux & humidity sensor too. Minimise the amount of sensor devices needed, which are usually battery as well.
Motion sensor as you say, and a nightlight mode to barely illuminate the area by the switch (love the ones on the Ring smoke alarms)
omg this is awesome - I've been playing with nextion displays for a while now on a breadboard but this single package is a gamechanger for me!!!
Nice, did you make any UI's yet using the Nextion editor?
Good to see a UK version as I’m from Scotland and it’s always difficult to find a uk addition on TH-cam like this great video.
Got a question! Are the 2 physical switches on the panel can be linked to a non wired lamps (so we dont really have to connect the physical switches with any cable)? Or maybe even a scene that we set up on the app?
Awesome! It would be absolutely amazing if we can flash a custom firmware that also supports room-assistant for per-room presence detection.
That would be cool!
There are reports of people flashing ESPHome onto this unit.
Maybe the internal temperature sensor is warming up with internal heat of the display.
Quite possibly!
the temperature sensor could be picking up the internal heat of the unit as well I don't have one but I'm sure the screen gets warm which adds a few degrees for the sensor to pick up
Anyone interested in picking one of these up? Who wants to flash one?! 😱
Kickstarter starter now live, pricing is great:
www.kickstarter.com/projects/sonoffnspanel/sonoff-nspanel-smart-scene-wall-switch?ref=1pgsz0
Definitely interested in getting at least three or four … and if there’s a compelling reason to flash em with something else then would definitely do so.
Pointless without HA, fantastic with it.
Yes, and yes 👍👍
No neutral
this is the kind of smart tech I've been dreaming about for years, be nice if they could do a range of sizes and very much looking forward to the tasmota flashing video
if it requires a login to a cloud service, there is no way I'm installing it in my home. People need to be more aware of the risks of buying products that require a cloud login to function, or proprietary mobile apps.
99.9% sure this will be dealt with in short order with custom ESPHome firmware
Yea! True. I'm blocking that stuff
Yep I'm also waiting for alternative firmware a la esphome or so before buying
At last a decent review, thanks for the clarity and Scottish accent a bonus! :)
I just installed one - I love it. Wish the instructions let me know about swiping up so I could change the Landscape to Portrait orientation. I would love to have access to a larger panel as I have a lot of devices. Camera integration would be very helpful, as well.
Is that on the US version I assume?
The need for a neutral wire at the light switch is a real killer for older homes where only the live wire is present at the switch. That's a shame because the panel looks awesome with real potential if/when it can be fully integrated with Home Assistant local control.
Totally hear ya!
Problem is, without a neutral wire it either has to do one of two things:
1. Be a dimmer, and only dim to 1%, so that it doesn't shut off altogether... This wouldn't allow it to run the screen anymore though when your lights are "off". This is how most switches that don't require a neutral wire work.
2. Have the switches do nothing, and be "always on", so that it always has power, and then instead you'd likely need to use smart bulbs and have the switches control them. This is more doable, but it forces you to buy smart bulbs to make it work, which immediately ruins its sellability.
Either way, it wouldn't work for a panel like this, and sadly, neutral wires are just required to get smart devices to properly work, since they need to be always on.
Im busy rewiring my whole house. DIY every night after work. I got no neutral and my wiring is still wrapped in a type of hardened cloth from the 50s. Tired of missing out on all these neutral based IoT devices. So a man gotta do what a man gotta do.
@@JeevaDotNet good luck - great idea and I'm sure it will be worth the hard work in the end!
if its in a conduit in the wall just replace with a 3c n earth to rose
What is a huge issue for this is that most homes, at least where I live, have their light switches about 1m-1,20m from the floor. These panels look awsome but if you are looking and reaching down all the time it gets old real fast. So it might be a direct drop in, but in a lot of cases it would be worthwhile to move the actual switch upwards. Depending on the wall type this is not always easy.
Think all light switches in new uk homes have to be at that height.
Can i connect doorbell camera and other cctv? Or wireless vacuum cleaner?
Hi again. It seems that Sonoff has released a new firmware version that supports Home Assistant natively without the need for flashing. Maybe you could do a followup video?
🙏
Hi, Have you ever been able to get the temperature unit to go to F on the NS Panel? I have uninstall and reset, and keep getting the same error "failed, please try later" . Looking at all the videos, I ve never seen the device showing Fahrenheit....Thanks for any insight, love the info you share
Hallo! Update for fix temperature sensor?
Can i install Lg aplication to control Lg Therma V Heat Pump ?
Thanks!
Are the 2 physical switches customisable?
In that for a room with just one standard light they can be on/off, or one button to toggle on/off the other to be used as a virtual switch for another device (room lamp on smart plug)?
Or with a dimmer, is one button for dim and the other brighten?
If these can definitely be flashed then they are a game changer for my setup, where neutral wires are available anyway.
Looks really nice. But i like to fully integrate it in H.A. if not then it is useless to me. Thanks for the review!
Can this be used as a smart thermostat to replace my existing programmable thermostat?
can it connect on 3 different lights that have different light switches but are on the same access point?
Does it work with Z-Wave? I have a Fibaro system and would love one of these in the hallway for quick control.
Really interesting. I am not sure I would want it yet. But if I could do a full integration to HA and ESPHome I def would be interested. Relays are only 2 amps. Is that safe to use as a wall switch?
Only interested in this if I can flash it with my own firmware so I can integrate it with Home Assistant
How have Sonoff ignored Home Assistant for so long?
Could the switch bot be connected to the Sonoff Ns panel display. There is an thermostat option. I would like to use switchbot to toggle on en of my Zibro laser stove. I can set an temperature scene on my Sonoff ns panel over the Ewelink app. It would be awesome if the switchbot or something similar fingerbot could be paired with that. Hopefully some on can test that out. Nice video
I control my living-room light with a sonoff touch and alexa. Is it possible to change the touch with a nspanel and still turn the light on/off with alexa ?
Would this work with WiFi GU10 downlighters? Is it Tuya Smart Life compatible or just ewelink? Looking at getting some WiFi downlight bulbs and would love to know whether this could control them
Hi! Nice device. I have one question. How can create a scene who stop the heating when open the windows using NSpanel, sonoff basic and zigbee door sensor?
Hey does it tell you how long you let the light on because I am a watts and kilo watts fighter meaning if my bill comes at a price abnormal, than I add up the hours I used the utilities at home and add it all up a watts cost 0.001 USD a Lifht bulb uses 70watts multiply the watts with the price of a watts an that your total use . So I want to know if this device does counts the time you left anything on.
Hi, on minute 5:18, what kind of screen is that, is that a thermostat? Can i get the model number please? Ill appreciate
Hi, can one of the physical buttons to be add in scene mode?
So how can it work in the place of a light switch if it requires a neutral??
Do you know if it is possible to assign any other function to the physical buttons? Like driving another Sonoff rather than activating the NSPanel relay.
If not possible from his app do you know if it can be done with Tasmota?
Can I control all my devices that are paired with Google Home or just the sonoff's ones?
I'm with the folks that want to keep there stuff out of the cloud. I'm also into home automation, and I'm not sold on the idea that a fancy light switch -- operated manually -- really meets that goal.
Could the NSPanel be wired into a 2-way switch circuit?
Yes, along as it has a permanent live and neutral to it.
Yeah I'll definitely replace all my current sonoff light switches with this. But still run a main dashboard on a tablet in the kitchen. This beats me having to buy multiple dashboards for each room and having to worry about powering them, getting the mount on the wall perfect and all that. Especially here in South Africa its not as easy to cut a hole in a wall :D
Haha good point! 😅
I’m asking myself whether I should go with the sonoff touch panel switches or actually have this. Ideally I would like to have a panel that would be able to control the lights in my apartment.
Wondering how does this compare to Orvibi MixPad or Lifesmart Nature Mini.
Can this control devices already in Google Home, or does it only control Sonoff products?
Can i change the colour of two led strip at a time from nspanel
Looks like a great thing to use. I'll probably not use it as I need a whole home control display.
Talking about that, do you know a free of charge way for a single app launcher?
As someone looking at Smart Switches and swindled into spending fucking $129 total for a fucking completely useless Caseta Light Switch & another $74 for a fucking TOTALLY USELESS fan switch, this is God damn CHEAP at $74.90.
Tell them they're about to get a customer with a ton of orders as soon as this thing drops.
10/10 exactly what I was looking for in a smart switch. Controls lights through panel, has alternative functionality tied to it, can still be used on app...and if turned off, doesn't disable the device. God damn. Finally.
Thank you for making this video. I'm adding this to my favorites, following you, and 100% buying this the moment it drops.
I ordered the EU version because I like the shape and I’m doing it for a project in the RV if it doesn’t do Fahrenheit, I’m gonna send it back. That would be really stupid. They both should do Fahrenheit and Celsius both of them also go from 100 V to 250 V which is excellent. I’m gonna be using it with a diesel heater.
Est-il compatible avec HomeKit de Apple par l’intermédiaire de HomeBridge ?
Can you use 2 of them 1 downstairs and 1 upstairs
Is it possible to connect AQARA camera to it ?
Is it capable of dimming the light that is connected directly to it?
Very nice and If it has a temp sensor it can also be used as a fire alarm
This looks so awesome, I just wish it could work in no-neutral, maybe caveat is that it's only with smart bulbs where the relay can be disabled.
Yeah it is unfortunate!
Can we get to the needed pins on the screen to flash the nextion? If so, child's play to make this thing cloud free.
I had a bad experience with nextions that were not nextion. They were off branded and you can't use the standard hmi builder with them..only a Chinese version. There could be this problem
..aaah the First world problems ..
And of course we need North America switch box size too ..
Does this go in a 2 gang switch box?
Can anyone recommend a way of getting WLED strip lights to be controlled by the NS Panel?
Cant wait to get my hands on 1, as you mentioned, would love a lovelace display on this!! Size options would be nice, and options for more physical buttons, 3/4 gang switches 👍
Did you order one? 😅
@@EverythingSmartHome Yep 😎 c'mon Kickstarter!!!
I've wanted these for a while too. Missing motion sensor is a bummer. Hopefully an open firmware can allow some more flexibility.
Hope so too!
esp device patcheble with tasmota?
What about the "Brilliant Smart Home Control" on amazon...? A good choice? Thanks.
Sorry we can't get them in the UK so I'm not sure!
For the price this is very promising. Some smart light switches (Innovelli for example) cost as much or more with no display. If it can control devices that are not Sonoff and connect to ST, HA, HE, then these things will fly off the shelves. I'll take about 10 of them myself. Yes I like that they can control just 1 room. That would be my use case.
Awesome!
Does it only compatible with sonoff products?
Nice video.
I want to buy one of these and connect it to 2 LED strips 24v.
Something like the Stripes on your video. Could you please share how you did this?
I mean, could you list all the things I need in order to make rgbw strip work with these switches?
1. SONOFF panel
2. RGB Strip
3. Controller? (if so, which brand? Wifi of Bluetooth controller? )
I see this usable even for some smaller flats with just 3 rooms in total
If i have a room with 1 light would this work for me
I ordered the EU version because I like the shape and I’m doing it for a project in the RV if it doesn’t do Fahrenheit, I’m gonna send it back. That would be really stupid. They both should do Fahrenheit and Celsius
Are you going to review Brillant Home ? I'm still looking to a kind of hub / screen that would replace multiple switches ( like Brilliant can replace 2-3 switches )
Can't get it in this country unfortunately
Does it support integration with other platforms (like Smartthings) ? :)
This is an awesome product and looks great. I only have one question. Can I control wireless switches (Like a Sonoff Mini) with the main buttons? I'm planning to replace a single gang switch and use the extra button to control a floor lamp
I don't think so at the moment but would be possible with a custom firmware
I just received mine, which I ordered in November on Kickstarter. I didn't turn it on yet. My first impression: I like the color, it looks good and it seems to be professionally produced. My first impression of the two buttons is not so good. If I press each button exactly in the middle of that button then they work fine. But if I press a button near the outside frame then it does not switch, or maybe only if I press hard. And this is the situation with a brand new device. I am not confident those switches will work reliable, especially over years. Maybe they will address this mechanical problem in the later production version.
Glad you received it, I know what you mean about the buttons!
Have you tried the brilliant smart switch? Curious how this compares to it.
I have not, they aren't sold outside the US I don't think, we certainly don't get them here in the UK - I've tried!
@@EverythingSmartHome ahhh okay I didnt know that, this is definitely much cheaper but obviously with less option than brilliant. But for the price I would definitely get some myself, could you say these can replace my lutron caseta switches?
Has someone made a custom firmware yet that doesn't require cloud
Maybe an idea for a next video would be to dive into the system bridge integration? What it can do and if it is secure? I would be very curious.
Hoping too soon!
motion sensor in the bedroom.... that's why they didn't do that. would be turned on for most by their movement in their sleep. adding that light to a room can mess with some while sleeping.
Though the option to ADD a motion sensor to trigger that response might be better, to allow for the angle of the sensor to be adjusted.
Not really a valid reason when they could add the option to disable the motion sensor for example in a certain room, or they could have time schedules for when it was active.
Is the EU version compatible with Australia?
It is possible to make an cm4 module with an display hat to something Like this?
Sure, anything is possible!
what sensor model at the right in your video time : 2:09???
Aqara VOC Sensor
Could you add say 10 smart switches to this and have one button to turn off all the lights?
Depending what the devices were then yes sure!
I'm so pleased someone else also warns people of kickstarters.
I've vowed to never buy anything else via a kickstarters and I wasn't even burned that bad by it.
I'm constantly having to explain to friends and family that kickstarter isn't a shopping site.
You know I always will!
Right, but what are the chances that a company like Sonoff will drop this project? Delivers are in planned to be already in December which means that the product is finished, Sonoff must already have secured all semiconductors and other HW for the project. Well time will tell :-)
Will you do updates and try to get Lovelace on this device if someone creates a solution for that? That would make it an extremely nice product!!!
Sure will try!
Best news was the fact it was ESP based and Nexion display. Homebrew FW should only be a matter of time. Sonoff are happy to sell you something to hack 👌🏻
I hope so too!
Thanks Lewis, neat product.
Did you pick one up? Or you going to wait a while?
@@EverythingSmartHome I don't own the house so I can't make permanent modifications and I'm stingy, lol. It's not the product for me but they look great. Pity there's no motion sensor or ability to call home assistant services and add text sensors, if I owned the place I wouldn't buy for these reasons but I'm sure they will be a suitable product for a lot of people's needs :) Thanks for an honest non bias review
Is it open for home assistant?
Good to point out that the device needs a neutral but it's perhaps worth stating that this is likely to be a significant barrier to use here in the UK. Most homes have a live-loop for lights with no neutral available at the switch. Some of the more enthusiastic of home automation enthusiasts might think they can export a neutral feed from a nearby power socket but that can introduce significant hidden dangers, especially to anyone performing work on the electrical installation in the future.
Other opinions are available, of course, but I don't think it's realistic (or safe) to suggest that a device like this is a DIY install for the vast majority of UK home owners.
For UK homes... Could you put a sonoff mini in the ceiling rose for doing switching (via WiFi) , and then repurpose the 2-core switch cable as a live + neutral supply to the wall display? (rather than it being a live + switched live)
Good suggestion but there are a couple of regulatory hurdles to overcome within UK legislation. The first is around "maintenance free" junction boxes - anything hidden (behind a wall or in a roof cavity) needs to have maintenance-free connections and it would be difficult to suggest that a separate switched low-voltage device satisfies that.
The next is around wiring - you could certainly repurpose existing ways but you would need to sheath each connection with an appropriate colour, including the outlet from the distribution board.
Bear in mind, also, that most UK lighting circuits are rings so this means re-purposing and re-sheathing every node in the circuit. The goal is laudable - that any future electrician sees a black or blue line and assumes that this is a switched live return rather than a potentially live feed.
What you're suggesting is perfectly reasonable but the UK wiring regulations are especially stringent and (in my opinion) with good reason.
it this work on tuya?
Control Hue groups of bulbs?
Shame it's not available in white, as black doesn't fit well at times... Shame it hasn't got a light sensor so it brightens/dims according to brightness of room.
I saw a review of the US model yesterday and was a little surprised to see it being only 2 amp. That makes it a bit too risky in my mind. The us format looks nicer and the huge square EU model wouldn't fit the wallboxes here. I'd end up having to sort an external box which isn't optimal. Other than that, once it is usable on esphome, I would be very tempted and will likely grab a couple for experimentation. Wiring up a humidity sensor might be the first project.
Believe it or not, the US version has the same screen size, just rotated the other way
@@EverythingSmartHome Box size then, it looks gigatic :)
Standard EU box size and Standard US box size for the US version.
Hmmm... So - yes - this is obviously an interesting proposition. But for 74$ is it competitive against a 2-3yr old budget tablet of phone? Probably not, especially if the tactile feel of those two switches means little to you. In fact, there are a ton of ways one can either reproduce or surpass this. And you don't even need Home Assistant installed necessarily - you could use something like TouchPortal + HomeAssistant and/or MQTT plugin instead, and make your own custom skin. Also, no need for a neutral wire (which is something a few EU homes struggle with).
That said, Kudos to Sonoff for realizing there is a market for something like this in what seems like a very decent effort.
Does it work with LIFX?
Great video Lewis.
I'd love to get some of these, but sadly my home is too old to have the necessary neutral wire.
Hopefully someone will find a workaround for that over time like they've done with some of the regular switches.
Thanks Rob, damn that's a shame!
There will never be a work around. You can't leach the required current for a display and a MCU off the two hot wires or the lights will glow all the time. The wor around is to add the neutral.
This is great! Finally!!
Finally indeed! 😆
Great video, actually as always :). You maybe have some dates, when this will be available on Kickstarter or publicly available for sale? Thanks.
Thanks! It is live now, link in the description!
@@EverythingSmartHome Thanks. I realized yesterday and already ordered 2pcs... Realy looking forward...
can this be linked to home assistant?
Yes, you don’t need ewelink. Home assistant works fine with it
Seems to have been removed from Kickstarter ? Temporarily at least.
The link isn't live yet, communication hasn't been great on their side to say the least...
I want one! I hope the price estimated here is fairly accurate. I'd have one for that price (and then flash it for Home Assistant)
I hope so too!
What about Australia!?
Damn, they won't ship to Australia?
I can’t wait for this.
I have a 2 switch Brilliant switch in my foyer, and I can get almost 8 of these compared to the one Brilliant switch I have. I really want to back this, but my experiences with Kickstarter campaigns, have definitely not been the best!
Wish I could try one of those Brilliant switches, we don't get them here unfortunately!
Have backed two on Kickstarter ...
Haha nice, enjoy!
A night mode would be more useful than eco mode, set the display to turn off over night so does not disturb anyone.
You can do that already in eco mode!
This kind of price for a light switch is hard to justify I think, especially as it might look dated after just a few years. Might make more sense for commercial settings.
Whole home display I can justify, smart automations for each room are good, but a display for each room is putting form over function I think.
first thing that came to my mind when i saw it, was it has to be a nextion.. its a very neat package, shouldnt be long for people to throw homeassistant compatible ui`s on it