Autism & Psychedelics with Aaron Orsini
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Hello~
I am not promoting the use of psychedelics, this video is meant to be used as a resource for those who are curious to learn more about how psychedelics affect Autistic neurology and physiology. It's very hard to find resources to learn about these topics, to find professionals who can help, and a niche community that has experience with all of this. Aaron has helped consolidate all of this info in one easy-to-use resource. I think that's worth sharing and talking about!
If anything, this is just meant to be one super interesting conversation to be had! So join the discussion below!
"my brain is braining to hard and I need to give it something to do to make it brain less so it brains better"
yes yes yes
I felt this in my bones
My son loves Pikmin… lol
A warning in advance to everyone to watch out for bots and scam accounts in the comments! They are always really bad with videos about psychedelics
Remember to look both ways before you cross the street!
Remember not to make too much eye contact with people!
Thank you. Someone needed to say this because they are everywhere. ❤
@dalelerette206 Many will hate you for saying this implying you want to cure them and there's nothing wrong with them.
I took a pretty low dose on my wedding night with my husband. It cured my body dismorphia. I was looking in the mirror and actually SEEING myself for the first time without any of the negative shit that was built up in my brain.
Beautiful!
this is such a wonderful experience, thank you so much for sharing !! thank you 💕
RIGHT? Reading this made me emotional because that was my experience too.
That’s cool, but I actually avoid looking at myself in the mirror when on them because of the HD effect 😅. So may not work for everyone
@@JDMimeTHEFIRST Hahaha that's fair.
We didn't take too much, it was a pretty small dose. I can't really look at myself when I smoke weed so I get where you're coming from
Psychedelic 🍄 killed my drug and alcohol dependencies - one trip two years ago to purge my depression and chronic anxiety from my system was the best decision I ever made. I've done Psilocybin mushrooms a few times since, but after my last high dose trip I realized that the medicine has taught me enough for now. I might return to psychedelics later in my life if I find a source.
I took 2g of PE Thursday night with friends, laughed all night. Took 3g last night by myself and went on a Pink Floyd journey... I love Shrooms
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@@userconspiracynut how can I reach out??
Is it Instagram?
Yeah, he has variety of stuffs like Mushrooms, LSD, DMT, MDMA even the chocolate bars
I'm 47 years old and autistic. I want to share my experience with psychedelics. Four years ago i had my first psychedelic experience with mushrooms, it was a heroic dose that i took with the hope of Helping me with constant exhaustion and depression. And the most interesting thing (for me at least) came after the trip. When the effects of the dose were vanishing, i had a meal with my husband and my brother, and i experienced a level of connection and Joy that I never knew before that. The next day, we went to downtown and this girl approached me, asking for directions, and her face, her eyes, her smile were giving me such amount of information, that i thought i knew her, but no, she was a complete stranger. It was extraordinary for me, that simple and brief interaction was a complete revelation of the World that autistic people can never access. Our World is more connected and aware of nature and details, but the other humans are somewhat illegible for us. I don't know if i want to change or erase my autism, because i much appreciate our peculiar view of the World, but it would be awesome if we could enjoy that extraordinary level of connection from time to time.
@@alisonmercer5946 i'm sorry that was your experience. How many trips have you done?
@@alisonmercer5946I did 3.5 grams of what must’ve been a very strong strain for my first trip. From what I’ve read about heroic doses, my trip was very similar. It would’ve absolutely been horrifying for me had I not done my research and preparations. Luckily, psychedelics were my special interest long before I could get my hands on any, and this was before a lot of the TH-cam censorship happened so there were so many more detailed informational (and entertaining) videos about psychedelics on here. I was able to deep dive on them, getting a good idea of what I would be getting myself into. Nothing could’ve fully prepared me for the sheer power of the psilocybin but at least I wasn’t afraid. I was alone, unable to even walk around or keep my eyes open during the majority of the trip, had lost touch with reality and time and at one point went into a dreamlike state that looked like the old Mario video game graphics. Might sound awful but let me tell you, I was awestruck. I cried tears of joy for hours and for the first time I understood that I deserved happiness and peace. It felt like little brain construction worker angels going into my mind and fixing things. Not sure if I can ever have an experience like that again but I’m content with that
Thank you for sharing! This was relatable and beautiful to read! ❤
@@artistgurl789 thank you, you're very kind 🙏
Nobody always has that level of connection, thats why the experiences/trips are so beautiful. Don't worry, its not just you. You just have to try and hold onto what you learn
That talk on CPTSD vs ASD and the nuance of "normal" is really spot on. As I learned more about myself I realized that what was really going on was a chronic disconnect from my needs because my natural state was banned, and the basic rules of life were never taught because of it. It was like childhood was attending saxophone lessons with a piano. Everyone around me was judging me like "you've been taking this class for so long, how come you can't play? Stop embarrassing us!" and finally I was able to be like "You can't even blow into this thing and its got 4 times the keys!" I could stop trying to play like I have a saxophone and now I can freestyle on that piano. So yeah, no wonder we tend to be so shut down and cerebral. We're so emotionally constipated because that's all we've been allowed. Our inner child was kicked into a box since day one. I think ANYONE can benefit from how they may fit into that perspective. It took a few years to just feel, a lot of support and shadow work, but I finally stopped shouldering other peoples projections of what I "should" be. No one's insecurities can ever define who you are, only love. It's been a long time since I've had a meltdown/shutdown and I worry about nothing. I will smile and vibe until others realize that's allowed. *I am.* Same as everyone else in that way, pink guy noises and all.
Wow, on the insight about why we are so shut down and cerebral. IF we are able to do this, it's all that's allowed. The other rule is "don't be weird." So much energy spent in not being "weird." As adults this also prevails and is worse.
@@kdcraft89Yeah I totally agree. A big part of all of this is how others CAN'T understand our emotions/needs. Most can't relate so we're essentially gaslit our whole lives out of them. Eventually you can only rely on your analytical/verbal skills to connect to people and you become a robot. Kind of like being made to speak a second language all the time until you forget your own (but the frustrating part is no one even taught you that one!) And speaking of, that cultural angle can't be overstated. I'm dyslexic, but not in other languages. My wife has a speech impediment in her native language, but not in English. So his statement about "go find another choir where you harmonize" is super real. There ARE places that can just feel like home in ways you never knew. Not fitting in isn't your fault, because that's just not where YOU fit in.
what a beautful conversation that im glad im alive to witness, thank you all
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It’s usually not CPTSD versus ASD. Most people with ASD have CPTSD from how neurotypicals treat us.
I microdosed psilocybin and that’s the easiest period of time for me to have navigated through the world. So I’m excited about this video. This is pretty sweet.
First off thanks for having the bravery to collaborate with Aaron to make this wonderful video. I recently had a very negative experience with psilocybin mushrooms but it actually did teach me the message of finally being connected to my body. I took too much and my gut couldn't handle it which gave me shrooms poisoning and I projectile vomited off and on for hours and sat shaking and twitching and lost mobility in my legs. My body was in survival mode for hours. But what I felt in those moments was all the trauma in my body and how separated my mind is from my body. For the first time I was talking to my body telling it I'm so so sorry, and it was so mad at me. I felt my inner child has been suppressed in my body and I've been taking advantage of it this whole time without knowing, neglecting it. I love how Aaron talked about how schooling contributes to this dissociation we have with our bodies. And I have alexathymia as well which doesn't help. I realized I need to have conversations with my body and genuinely take care of it as taking care of my neglected inner child.
dude, this is so incredibly helpful ! YOU are so brave for sharing this !! i relate 100% and your experience has shed some light on my own, i now have confidence to try this shroom thing again !! i was looking at it all wrong, thank you 🙏💖
I microdosed psilocybin over the final two months of my grandma's end of life care and it helped me to be able to connect with her rather than shut down. Only when she became unresponsive and I visited to say my last goodbye did I become nonverbal. This was great progress since on Christmas I broke down despite taking my maximum dose of diazepam (within prescribed limits) at the thought of losing her.
I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing this though, I've been so scared of losing my grandma just at the random thought but her breast cancer came back yesr later I just found out. Alao realized I become nonverbal in situations like that
I microdose instead of taking any mental health meds. It took me years to figure out how to work with my brain. I can’t say that life is perfect because it is far from it, but I can take the waves of life gracefully. I can go through a depressive episode but still find moments of laughter. I can socialize in my small ways while feeling comfortable and safe. It has changed my life.
I can’t beleive we get this for free.
this knowledge should be free!!! accessibility to resources & info should be free!!!!
If the medicine calls to you, seek it out. There are lessons to be learned.
Thank you for covering this topic with Aaron! It’s near and dear to my heart.
This whole conversation is making me extremely emotional. I’m late diagnosed autistic/ADHD and I’ve used psychedelic since before I was diagnosed. Using psychedelics opened to mind to so many things about being neurodivergent BEFORE I even knew that I was. I haven’t used anything since before my brother died because I am scared to process that grief fully, but I know when I am ready, it will be an amazing tool.
I loved this conversation. So much kindness and hope.
However, the final soundbite I found to be problematic, in a really common way. I have had to fight really, really hard to get access to psychedelics and to say, "you don't need them," that is an attitude that often creates an obstacle to the most vulnerable. Actually, it was an obstacle for me to get the help I needed and it still is an obstacle for me in seeking access.
To say that no one "needs" it is like saying that no one needs a wheelchair to be mobile. An absolute statement of "no one needs it per se" is to promote a framework of discounting the needs some of us have. There is this idea of psychedelics as "cheating" personal development, that we are supposed to be able to "get there on our own". I find this framing ableist in that it erases the potential use of psychedelics to physically change the brain when nothing else has helped.
Psychedelics helped open up my brain to language by altering the function of ion channels, reducing glial cell inflammation, and cleaning up debris, along with all kinds of changes that I don't understand. Cannabis sativa stops me having seizures and I have yet to find a substitute. It's a physiological change that allowed resonance to be held by the brain in a functional way. It is not a failure to turn to physical aids for transformation, and it is an oversimplification to say that physical aids are replaceable with willpower or intention or practice or whatever. Some of us don't have a lifetime of safety to work on personal growth in the hope that it will magically cure epilepsy. Some of us need to restore brain function to safe our lives.
Just because some people turn psychedelics into a crutch when they could be fine without doesn't mean that someone else might benefit from cannabis every single day for the rest of their life, for example, to regulate seizures. Should they abstain from cannabis in an attempt to show that they can achieve higher states of resonance on their own? Some of us aren't aiming for higher states! Some of us are trying to come down to earth, to speak and not be in seizures! Some of us are trying to cure critical neurological obstacles to living. To being alive. To surviving. For some of us it isn't about an emotional journey. It could be a cognitive/physiological journey. It could be a health journey. It could be a life or death difference journey (I have seen people with intractable depression turn around).
The assumption that a need is emotional and not physiological/metabolic is really not a helpful one when it comes to neurodivergence.
I hear what you're saying.
I believe she's communicating that once you learn how to access that part of yourself and learn how it feels, you don't need substances to be the *only* access point to that state of being--you can find other ways to access it.
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@thethoughtspot222 Yes, I agree that is what she is saying, but she is factually incorrect. There are instances where neurological conditions are permanent but can be ameliorated with substances. There is no "learning" to access it or even conditioning the brain or "raising" a vibration. A substance can potentially create change when no internal practice can, in my case via polarizing the neurons to make GABA inhibitoriy, not excitatory. Which is an issue likely applicable to some degree for more than 60% of autistic people. This is exactly why "high functioning" autistic people get called out, forgetting that not all of us "can" in all ways. It is a classic ableist assumption.
Sorry to be so intense. This is an issue I have been dealing with a lot lately. Another example is ketamine. I talk to an anaesthesiologist who works long-term with people on ketamine to target specific neuroplasticity changes, coupled with attentional and experiential therapies. With amazing tools like that around, having practitioners say, "you don't need it," or even "you've done enough" when it could literally reverse brain damage to some degree under proper care, is really frustrating. They automatically assume it is for personal growth. It might, instead, be: "I would like someday to be able to use my legs again". Or, in the case of debilitating depression, "I would like my brain to have functional metabolism again". The presumption of psychological (feelings about yourself) causation as opposed to physiological causation marginalizes those who need it most.
I would like to access the state of being of not needing psychedelics to be able to function (sleep without seizures, form words in my head and actually speak), but just because I want that, doesn't mean I can. To go without is not much different to going without a psych medication that is correcting a specific imbalance.
It would be great if those who don't have "need" would stop making the assumption that everybody else is in the same boat. If people didn't hold this kind of attitude, then I could access care more easily, and be part of this conversation at a different level of privilege, instead of one where I am grasping for dignitiy of my situation. I want more people of all kinds of need to benefit from psychedelics, but I don't appreciate one woman's self-revelation of not needing psychedelics to be held up as a kind of standard. I would not want any of the health pracitioners that I depend on to have that kind of mentality. Unfortuntely, they do! They really do. I just wish people would talk about their experiences in "this is my experience" terms when it might not be something universal. Have curiosity. Don't assume capacity. It is a simple change to make to our speech patterns, and it would make a difference so far as medical and mental health practitioners watching a video like this, so they are not further validated in their "nobody NEEDS psychedelics" ideas.
@@malapropia I appreciate all you have to say!
And yes I understand what you mean by health practitioners holding a certain mentality where it actually is harming us.
They never know if they don't allow us to choose or block us from therapies that could potentially be so beneficial to us vs. the constant struggle which isn't really living at all..
@@malapropia Reading your comments piqued a few things for me:
1. Applying this mentality to myself has hindered me from various kinds of help. The idea that i can basically "bootstraps" my way out of emotional difficulties (let alone physical, social, etc.) hindered my ability to heal for years. It has been a huge barrier to even coming to the realization that i was so conditioned to be independent, i couldn't recognize when/if i needed help, that help could be a *need*, that i might have (ableist, shame-based) beliefs about what it means to be someone who needs help, etc. And it's a type of thinking i'm still unpacking with that awareness, so i really appreciate you pointing it out so clearly and outlining the issues with it.
2. I think your comment helped me piece together something I've been on the edge of for a while that this video also brought up for me. My pathway to healing has involved a lot of talk therapy and self-analysis, and i'm feeling more and more like the frustration i'm feeling with talk therapy is actually just that i need other shit, too. I've been thinking somatics are a good direction for me if i can access care, but the specific physiological and neurochemical differences you refer to are opening me up to the awareness that i probably have similar areas where i could really be served by raw physical internal changes which talk therapy or even somatics may never bring about. I'm trying to piece together how to shift my approach, because now i feel like dominant narratives about therapy and "emotional health" have been inhibiting me from seeing that i need care and accommodations in a much broader scope (similar to how dominant narratives about "learning/intellectual disabilities" inhibited me from seeing my autism & ADHD before).
3. You mentioned your "level of privilege" in this conversation. I very much feel what you're talking about from a different perspective: severe poverty. Listening to the mention about a "meditation retreat" in the vid struck me because it hit that habitual "must be nice" response that being poor has helped situate in my head. Thinking about access to psychedelics in the first place, and so many other aspects of care-or even having access to an environment where your care can be effective and lasting-are so extremely inhibited by not having enough money, as in: enough to afford to live somewhere conducive to your sensory needs, or away from a harmful social/emotional dynamic, or simply with any access to safety; enough to afford insurance that will help you cover treatments; enough to access the internet and watch videos like this; etc. Not that there is a simple solution or that i expect people with more privilege in this regard to recognize and know how to incorporate that concern into content like this, but that is one of the primary reasons i personally have had to be my own ND diagnostician, therapist, psychiatrist, medical doctor, etc. and it has been an incredible hindrance to my ability to access a more functional baseline. So many tools, treatments, and other resources-helpful or effectual as they may be-are completely inaccessible from the scope of the intersections i exist at, so i feel some commonality in the difficulty you describe accessing care.
So yeah, thanks a lot for your comments. I really appreciate you sharing your perspective and your struggle.
The whole things is about “becoming embodied so we can discover embodied truth” ❤ so good. Thank you so much for this information!
I got my ASD diagnosis about a year and a half ago at 43 and started microdosing several months later in an attempt to disconnect from the mask and reconnect with myself. I didn't get very far because I was diagnosed with Stage IV Breast Cancer over the holidays this year, something I suspect stemmed from the chronic stress of living undiagnosed {tests showed no genetic components and there's no cancer in my family history}. I'm starting to respond to treatment and stabilize physically and emotionally and something has been telling me I'm at a place where I'm ready to take microdosing on in a way I wasn't before. This recent spate of ND + Psychedelics videos popping up in my subs seems to be reinforcing that.
May I ask if it's ok..I understand if you do not want to answer.
I have a few questions to ask..*winces* I don't want to overwhelm you..
Were you Rx it from a doctor?
How much did you take?
Were/are you on any other medications (meaning psychopharmacology)?
Do you live with someone else? (so they could be aware of potential dissociation/trauma triggers)
(I live alone so I think that would scare me..I don't like feeling 'buzzed')
And also I am very sorry to hear of your cancer diagnosis. My heart goes out to you. {{HUGS}}
And yes, when in a chronically stressed state it not only can affect our wiring (I mean outside of being born ND), just overall..and yes, down to cellular breakdown (I know from what I deal with and how my abusive family isn't helping my fragile body..it makes it worse especially the fragile state it is in now).
I do hope you continue to get stronger and stronger with overcoming your treatment, as well as physically emotionally, and mentally (cuz that takes a HUGE toll on one).
🙏🙏🙏
First, Thank you for sharing I want to say that I completely believe you about the reason for your breast cancer diagnosis my grandmother was an autistic person she had lots of stress and trauma through her life she left this world at the age of 44 … her mother had the same life style this she also got breast cancer and died very young this led her daughters and granddaughters to be afraid and to hyper focus on the disease after years of fear and unnecessary tests I learned exactly what u believe to be true it’s mental I learned stress communication issues the inability to say NO and guilt cause breast cancer if you haven’t please read louise hay my favorites are you can heal your life and the power is within you I want to say that you’re doing so good realizing things on your own don’t let fear win I just know you will survive this ❤
DMT, LSD, and psilocybin mushrooms are truly remarkable. A few years back, I was grappling with severe depression and mental health issues, and was diagnosed with BPD. It wasn't until a friend suggested psilocybin mushrooms that things began to change for me. It was a lifesaver, and I've been completely clean for 6 years now.
Congrats on your recovery. Most persons never realizes psilocybin can be used as a miracle medication to save lives. Years back i wrote an entire article about psychedelics. They saved you from death bud, lets be honest.
Hey mates! Can you help with the source? I suffer severe anxiety, panic and depression and I usually take prescription medicine, but they don't always help. Where can I find those psilocybin mushrooms? 🙏
Doctor.jeremyy is the person you want. He's the most knowledgeable about psychedelics that I know.
On instgram ??
Can Doctor.jeremyy post to me in Ohio?
I don't know why..but just listening to him, makes me want to cry b/c I am so tired of struggling and want some healing.
I didn't have to listen going all that far in where I felt this lump in my throat come up..and as he went on...just trying to keep my system calm b/c it's very fragile and I am so tired, especially after the things I have been through..
I signed up to potentially be in one of the research trials.
I would think I won the lottery if I got chosen at this point..b/c at 44 years old..it's feeling like a loss of life.
Thank you for having Aaron on. I appreciate this discussion so much!! 🙏
Thank you for the thanks! And thanks for applying to participate in research! You're also welcome to our sunday meetings anytime via AutisticPsychedelic.com or our Conferences via NDpsychedelic.com :)
@@autismonacid2301 🥹🥰
You’re most welcome!! I truly appreciate all you have been & are doing on your own plus now as a collective.
I actually did sign up for the Sunday meeting. ☺️🫣
And how ironic that I log on my YT app as I was going to come back to this video to get your IG acct & I get this wonderful surprise notification. 🥹🥰
Looking forward to learning, healing, growing & connecting in a safe, kind community.
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23:04 Irene is discussing the physical aspects of dis regulation-
I cannot describe the level of frustration I experience when someone suggests breathing exercises or taking a walk to alleviate this intractable physical experience. My internal screams rattle the moon-
Thanks for this post- I might dare to have hope.
I truly appreciated this whole discussion, because psychedelics were always something I was interested in, but too scared/ashamed to inquire deeply about. Thank you Irene, for having Aaron on your platform (although, my one criticism is that the audio could be improved; I only hear through my left headphone).
I have exams to study for, so I’ll engage with this again later. Some thoughts I had before I go back to studying:
1) I really appreciate the historical/cultural context Aaron gave about ASD from around 14:25 onwards. I had a lot of difficulty even approaching the discussion of having autism to my parents because their understanding of autism was so outdated, misinformed, and stigmatized.
2) 18:23 My interoception(?) is awful, and this was validating to hear, particularly because Aaron articulated this so well. I never felt connected to my body, and I always felt like I needed to be reminded that I exist in a physical form that needs to be maintained. I was also really engaged in the subsequent discussion on trauma (*especially* what Irene said about autistic kids being chronically tense and dysregulated). I can’d even remember the last time I felt a synergistic connection between my mind and my body, or even the last time I felt and recognized happiness.
3) around 29:00 where Aaron talks about not being able to access internal processes and not feeling safe to be authentic… despite my skepticism, this part gives me a lot of hope for psychedelics. Especially when Aaron was talking about re-confronting and reconciling with past trauma.
4) 42:00 I cannot describe HOW MUCH I resonated with Irene here. I feel like I have zero control over how my nervous system will behave on a given day - it’s terrifying at first until enough time passes, and the fear festers into a deep and rotten form of self-frustration or lack of trust.
5) 46:00 it’s a painful daily struggle for me to get into the Goldilocks zone for that perfect balance of sound with under/over-stimulation.
I’ll continue from 51:12 when i return. I really enjoyed this so far.
Thank you in advance for all that's to come. - I have been researching this for quite a awhile and was about ready to take the leap. I just found out that I am autistic with ADHD (AuDHD.) Now I am really wondering if this is still a great idea. I can't wait for this discussion.
I’m autistic and adhd and I micro and find it incredibly helpful. I started in 2021
i haven’t microdosed yet (although i’ve been considering it for the past year). I think honestly I will start soon. The psychedelic experiences I have had have been so profound and healing for me. very helpful as they help me understand how to best take care of myself. I truly have felt so much more connected to myself than i ever had previously. with all that said, I would definitely recommend exploring them! always remember set and setting 💗🧚♀️🍄 mush love!!
What a fantastic conversation. And what impeccable timing! I just started reading Aaron's book, Autism on Acid, last week. His focus on the nuances within the process of recontextualization and its somatic integration is so refreshing and perfectly mirrors my own psychedelic and sober spiritual experiences. I felt like an alien before those experiences and I feel like a better informed and even more empathetic alien after them, but it is so rare to find willing company for these kinds of discussions. Thank you for highlighting an area of inner exploration that is finally beginning to become more mainstream, but which is still far from an inherently safe place to advocate. I deeply appreciate you both. 🙏🏻
I loved that last clip. Plant medicines are a great way for us to become more aware of our thought patterns and our bodies. This was a great source of information today. Thank you for the work you both are doing.
I’ve always had a HIGH tolerance to psychedelics. my neurotypical friends can take 300ug of LSD and completely lose it because the dosage is too much for them. but when I take the same dosage, I just feel kinda weird but somehow still normal. basically all autistic people who take psychedelics I know have had the same experience. when I’m on psychedelics I sometimes feel more neurotypical lmao. Thank you for this video, I’ve actually asked for you to comment on this topic for a while now!
There's a channel on YT (forget the name) that does videos documenting people's trips. They had an autistic guy on once and they were surprised about how "with it" he was at pretty much any dose.
Real. I feel more “normal” and not so out of place when on psychedelics. It like calms down that autistic side of me
Interesting, I have the same experience with LSD. No effect whatsoever, other than perhaps that I feel a little more dosed off. I've taken up to around 1,000 micrograms.
Ketamin worked but it was no fun. I kept seeing the same loop of existence over and over again, it was like being trapped inside a matrix unable to get out. It all played out in its entirety and then it restarted with the exact same sequence.
Thanks for having him on, Irene. It was helpful.
My left ear loved hearing this.
Damn!! 😂 I legit thought my earbuds were broken, it’s the video. 🤦♂️
Okay, so did I. Thanks for saying this.
I'm diagnosed ADHD, and am likely somewhere on the autistic spectrum.
For various reasons I've been interested in psychadelics, but despite having never taken them, I'm prone to violent/frightening dreams where I'll literally jump out of bed screaming.
I'm conflating my naturally occurring dreams with hallucinations/an altered state, which may or may not be medically accurate, but seems akin in my mind I guess?
Anyway, I've had this all my life, well before learning about so called acid flashbacks, or that fear mongering PSA about dropping acid and jumping out of a window because you think you can fly.
Sleeping in a foreign place can leave me really disoriented too, where that suspension of disbelief that comes with a dream (at least that's how I'd describe what it's like to dream typically, though sometimes there's a bit of control/lucidity) still lingers as I'm awake, and quite upset over some uncomfortable/disturbing premise that I can't shake until I come out of it.
Again, assuming dreams are in any way like a psychedelic trip. I feel like I have had some intense, but ultimately healing realizations from dreams, a processing of real life events, and I've heard of psychadelics helping people in this way.
Either dream thing I experience is rare, but at the risk of exacerbating it I'm cautious. I'm really glad that it works for others though, and I hope we can learn a lot more from research.
Everybody’s different and has different experiences with it. But if you want to try but feel apprehensive cause of your dreams I would stay start small and be with good friends when you take them. Some people don’t experience any visuals at all, and you definitely won’t hallucinate if you keep the dose small, just might see some wavy lines and cool colors and patterns, no pictures or dreams or visions or anything like that. You gotta take a bunch to reach that point in my experience
Do you think that hypnagogic states/hallucinations have anything to do with what you described? Just a thought. I know very little of sleep related things
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Your situation sounds so much like mine. I have adhd and am getting tested for autism. I have also had nightmares that bad since i was a child. i have been starting microdosin, and have chosen to not trip yet bc im also afraid for my subconscious to go dream mode. However, I think that it is different than dreaming, because i usually feel so much calmer, and i take it before i sleep and i get the best sleep ever.
I can't wait for AI to make a breakthrough in diagnosis. Feed it all of the studies, all of the medical information, all of the drug sheets. And it spits out a remedy that's truly tailored to you because it can actually make use of all your symptoms.
Thank you for this video. I am 57, and never thought I would even consider taking psychedelics. Now, I see it as a possibility, but I want to do some more research first.
I am very glad I found your channel, Irene. I recognize myself in your way of thinking. Your videos are very insightful and helpful. Despite our differences in age and culture, I see you as a sister in autism and ADHD.
It’s a double edged sword. I loved psychs for years till I had a shrooms trip from hell that made me have the worst meltdown I’ve ever had that I am still suffering effects from. It severely negatively affected my autistic traits and turned out to not be worth it
what do you recommend then? not to use them for too long?
was it a high dose that caused this? also were you in a bad enviroment?
I've been looking for this ❤ it's always fun to learn
Long time subscriber here Irene- SO EXCITED to watch this video today! Loving your content and enjoying the witnessing of the growth of your channel- So well deserved!!
I have cPTSD but I know for a fact that I'm autistic after a lot of research. My therapist says I only have cPTSD which annoys the hell out of me
I equally understand wanting a validated state of clarity. You want to feel like your feelings are real, and others know that. But don't give up. For me, part of unwinding both was understanding I did deserve to be understood, and that is true regardless of what's going on. There is nothing anyone can project on to you that tells you who you are. That alone helped me let go of so much and begin to really love myself. It's a hard path, but there is one, I promise.
My trauma therapist said the same thing until I went and got an evaluation by an autism expert.
@@kr3642 what did she say after the evaluation
So excited to watch this later! Been following Aaron for years
This is a whole area to be delved deep into. We all have our own journeys and should have guided access to all tools we require. The timing here was perfect. I've been on a break from psychedelics because my mind was fragile at the time due to circumstances and attachment issues + mental health. My plan is to get my hands on some mescaline, as I've heard it to be gentle and that's what my system needs right. Ketamine will be my first reentry point though.
51:01 spent several months on St.Vincent and the Grenadines, Trinidad, and Guyana, and felt much more comfortable interacting with people in general, than I had in North America. Found/learned some self love and did a lot better on my own when I returned to Canada.
Interesting information. I have taken lsd shrooms and canabis recreationally, but i would like to start microdosing. Not constantly, but maybe just try each one, and use them sparingly if i need them. Obviously learning ways to regulate without the aid of medication is best, and microdosing cant replace that. But if i ever want to work consistently enough to be financially stable, i would actually have to incorperate psychological medicines into my life. The state of "productive member of society" is completely grueling and unnatural for many of us. And this is why medicines like psychadelics have become crucial for our survival.
omg.....The more that I listen to your channel, the more I'm convinced that I'm undiagnosed autistic. When you mentioned the first time you got high, I was shocked! I feel like I can understand my husband the best when I am high. Like, he is my favorite person in the world, but I sometimes just cannot understand him at all, no matter how he tries to explain his train of thought. When I'm high, I'm fundamentally able to understand him.
Information sharing like that keeps me alive - thanks from the heart
Thank you for this video.
Im posting this at the atart so forgive me for not having info in the video:
But an 'anxiety attack' i had on LSD one time revewled to me my face blindness. Ive always had issues wirh daces, but this was full force. During this meltdown, i could SEE my friends faces but they were all so similar that i couldnt tell them apart unless they spoke. Everybody just teeated me like i was crazy, kinds rightfully so but it hurt a lot. None of my friends would help me find my phone either, which made it so much harder for me to communicate with them because i was balling and wanted to type snd they just keot trying yo force me to talk when i felt like i couldnt genuinely sucked.
That was one of my worst trips ever, but i also grew a lot from it. At one point they locked me in my cliset so i could change for work (yes, they decided i needed to go to work that day) at which point i saw like a "scribble demon' as i call it full of all the scribbles of my memories and problems in one. He wasnt malicious, but he sefinitely wasnt there to bring comfort.
After this, i was always curious what the face thing was. Necer able to gind anyone thats ever had similar stories where they couldnt recognize their best friends; and its always confused me. Ive always had issues recognizing faces but that was like.. in full force. I could see their clothing and everyrhing but when i got to their face? It was just a human face. The voices wete all i tecognized besides the clothes...
Keep in mind guys, i shared a BAD trip story; out of hundreds of LSD trips ive only had maybe 5 or 6 bad one. Most of my trips i meditate, make art, and hung out ALONE. I never underatood why tripping with others made me so uncomfortable until recently. Be safe, dont do drugs- and i hope everyone is having a wodnerful evening tonight (9/27/24)
Big fan of both of you guys so this is so cool to see this crossover episode lol!
Is it right that I hear the sound only from one earphone?
18:56 omg yes also just the realization that i have a body that i am present in which gives me information was a HUGE understanding i gained from shrooms, being able to break out of that mental tunnel vision yes
51:02 The DSM does have provision for what it calls "cultural-bound syndrome," so it's at least somewhat aware of those nuances, though mostly in a pathologizing context. Don't forget though, the DSM is ultimately a guide for medical coding, aka billing :/
This may be the perfect video to finally feel a space to ask this. Has anyone ever thought that those of us on the spectrum are starseeds? And that whatever planet we came down to earth from is vastly different than earth? Which is why it's harder to acclimate? That's my thought. I've always felt most myself on psilocybin, mdma and lsd. All done with intention of course. Any pleiadians, lemurians, arcturians, or mintakans here? Lol
58:58 Yuuuup. My body was so confusing to me, and now I'm in my integration phase After, and I can say that it definitely brought my mind and body together for that time. the first time I did this, I was told Somehow that I'm Extremely beautiful and that I should stop giving my beauty to anyone who doesn't deserve it. That was a huge lesson for me, and now I am able to fish out how my body feels now, whereas before I couldn't even feel out my body! This has definitely led to me feeling so much pain everywhere that I really need to get fixed up by doing yoga before and after going to a good chiropractor to help align what was hurt after 3-4 years of sitting around doing nothing out of confusion. I felt like I was in a prison that I couldn't see the bars, let alone escape.
I'm really writing this for myself, but if this helps you, great! If it doesn't, ok! lol
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Edit: 1:18:16 I Need to do this Don't forget, Me! I've been doing group therapy, and I think this Sunday meeting will help give me more perspective on things too (as group therapy is giving me perspective)!
So thanks for plugging that!
The Tiktok video at the end shared something that I was trying to put to words! I used these in order to see what's possible, to expand my reach to myself.
This is great i could listen to this all day! Going to def go and get all his books.❤
28:30, 29:00 I'm saving this for myself. I just went through this not even knowing! I mistrusted myself, and since I couldn't trust myself, and because of this I felt I couldn't trust myself with others meaning I couldn't trust others with myself.
Edit: 53:44 I feel that too!
Excellent convo. on a subject dear to my heart. Psychedelics opened me up and opened up the magical mystery tour that is living. I love that little video at the end too, very true I think. I have been attempting to get to that place of oneness and joy since LSD first showed me around. Mostly Psilocybin mushrooms after that as they grew all around :D I'm a perpetual weed smoker and have recently stopped drinking as it was creeping up in quantity, think I'm Audhd, awaiting a second opinion (to mine ;) ) Anyway life storying aside...Thank you both x :)
I've been microdosing for 3 years now, and my alcohol consumption has diminished drastically, almost to zero. I've heard from friends that had experienced the same effect over their cigarrette habit.
@@ddtz6253 As a nicotine addicted person myself I find that hard to believe, the addiction doesn't leave without stopping consumption, but may have enabled the stopping I guess. I would love to stop nicotine and weed but I fear I would face all the stuff I suppress with it and without a support network of any sort I am too scared. Am I oversharing here in this public place? mmm yes? Lol. Basically psychedelics loosen our ridged neurological pathway and allow a new path to open up, I mean among other fab. things... oh I'm most of the way down a bottle of wine, in this reply about not drinking...how ironic. I am now choosing when I want a drink rather than drinking every night soooo... okay I need the 'too drunk for comments' block on me...help...leaving now.. thanks for your reply x
@@ddtz6253 Have you done your research? Just worrying about you now... micro dosing everyday for 3 years? I've done a few weeks of it but nothing sustained like that. I'm curious.
@@pipwhitefeather5768 not every Day, but every 2nd or 3rd day. You must avoid creating resistance to psylocibin. If you want to do it consistently, there are various protocols you can follow: the Fadiman protocol , the Stamets protocol, etc. Yes, i have done my research 😁
@@pipwhitefeather5768 it's not everyday. I don't micr0d0se daily, i tried in the past but i felt it wasn't good for me. Instead i have a resting period between doses, otherwise the substance can build up resistance. Check out the Stamets protocol, or the Fadiman protocol if you are interested on doing it consistently. 🙏👍
Im curious how psychedelics affect autistic mind. Many of us are control freaks and this can have impact on working of substance. My experiences with only alcohol and mj is mixed. They work good when with right people. Expecially mj bc alcohol is more understanding towards bad mood so thats why sad people drink it no matter with who. So it is the same when sober. I dont know if any time felt substance work or it was just pretending. Like it is more like another social norm. You have to take something bc your friends do that.
To answer in a word, Dude. 👀
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Just speaking for myself... I think the feeling of control is different than actual control, and the recognition of the difference between the two can be jarring for anyone. Especially on psychedelics where that difference is impossible to ignore.
Psilocybin is what I'm most experienced with as I've never tried acid (I don't trust anyone but myself to identify whats going in my body/mind so I grow my own) but I also know that most people report it as being a gentle teacher and this is what I've experienced as well.
The main differences between something like mj (i also grow my own) vs mushrooms is that mushrooms don't dull anything. MJ can. MJ loosens me up while mushrooms open my mind to what I've been missing or ignoring. Alcohol for me was my only coping mechanism for years and it hurt me. Now I never drink and I have little to no desire to ever do so, unless I am in a social situation where drinks are available. But alcohol never taught me anything.
I highly recommend trying mushrooms, start with less than 1g and work your way up. I've done larger trips a few times and every time I do I feel like I've come back from a long journey where I've grown. I think I am a much better person now than I was before I tried shrooms. I would never use shrooms to ease social interactions because they teach me to be me and let the universe be the universe. I feel like meditation is also HIGHLY helpful to me and my interactions with others because it shows me whats going on inside the deepest parts of my mind, the parts that are often so clouded by anxiety. Mushrooms and meditation go hand in hand.
Just my experience. I hope this helps someone. As with everything too... if you have any doubts you should talk to your doctor (assuming they will work with you). Mushrooms are one of the most amazing substances in the world but they are powerful and should not be toyed with. Just my opinion.
It all depends on the person, the tolerance and other factors. I was raised drinking wine and rum once a year. Then, my group was given teas, which made us feel and react differently. Now that we are older and know the effects of psychedelics and hallucinogens, we have become a lot more responsible when taking them today. Some of my friends told me they refuse to take any herbs that make them woozy because they had experiences of vomit and other gastric problems. NO. We weren't given those herbs as kids. They were given to us as soon as we reached 17th year. Overall, every person's body and mind are different, and not everyone will have the same experience when in the "vibe". Same with Autism/ADHD we all experience the world and react to it so differently. It will take some time and actual results from professional scientists to show. How can Psychedelics and hallucinogens affect the mind, and the long term effects of an AuDHD and all under the spectrum.
@@NeuroD369 im a gurl btw
7:12 I DID THE EXACT SAME THING AND MY PARENTS FOUGHT TEACHERS OVER IT. Yes, i doodle- but the doodles stopped where the notes stopped...because the doodles were rhere to visually pair with the notes in my head
I feel more normal and able to “relate” with society more on psychedelics
Wow. I’ve recently been unpacking how MUCH I have spent my life dissociated from my body, and I feel REALLY ATTACKED (confronted 😂) by what he said about not FEELING cold, but just knowing your body shivers sometimes. And honestly, I run hot. So being cold is like a nice change of pace, because it feels like absence of hot. So I actively suppressed my body’s instinct to shiver because the shaking was annoying.
Like, ya’ll, I had No big T trauma, and I still spent my childhood dissociated because autism?? Sorting through all of this is such a mind f.
My experience with psychedelics was mostly amazing, wonderful and eyeopening. I love making colorful art in that state.
But the last time I did it I had a sudden terrible feeling of dread and it didnt go away until it worr off. I was plagued by fear and obsessive thoughts and uncertaintly, my thoughts went so fast i couldnt keep up, I felt extremely scared, like something was deeply unexplainably wrong with me. never experienced anything like it.
What i later realised is that i didnt eat enough beforehand. My body felt hunger, but i misinterpreted it as immense fear, anxiety and terror. Even after eating that feeling didnt entirely go away, only until all the effects wore off.
Even though i know now what went wrong, im still scared to try it again. I dont want to experience that again :(
this is an amazing topic
i will be watching this now, but i was wondering, does anyone else have psychedelic like experiences in dreams? or just by listening to a meditation being able to induce that type of state. Like seeing the weirdest dreams, but the MOST profound dreams that taught me to seperate my thoughts from myself, or seeing a second version of myself that is more compassionate and litterally stepping INTO her, aka me, and immediately feeling the effects? its wild...which is why im a bit afraid of how intense it could get if that lasts for hours...😅😅
Yeah my dreams are always super trippy and I've had plenty of them that have guided me my whole life. I think part of it is being open minded to it, but exploring lucid dreaming was probably the gateway for me to keep that much attention and memory of it later. I now even ask for help sometimes about certain things I'm thinking about and actively try to find the allegory to what I dreamed. I almost always gain a supersizing amount of insight. To the degree of a crazy trip? definitely not all the time, but it has happened.
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My high brain vs sober brain is like the difference between a freshly paved road and a backroad with pots holes. Sure, I can got 60 mph but if there's anything fragile in that vehicle...XX
So sober me is tasked with driving AND out maneuvering all these freaking potholes (which are also moving by the way) at a slower speed if I don't want to whiplash the baby in the back lol
Lol just started my first semester of sociology 😂😂😂
I have bipolar so psychedelics aren't advised.
9:52 xanax being prescribed for daily use was normal up into 2016/2017
🏆 Amazing Video ❤️
I have bad trips on too much weed edibles or smoking weed so im scared to try psychadelics
Unfortunately the audio is all left sided, I'm hoping I can watch this again using speakers
Damn I wish I saw this sooner. Hi!
Can someone discuss the psychedelic Bofu in a separate video?
That's lit
i liked the convo a lot except for the bit where aaron was kinda shitting on conventional pharmaceuticals. some people can't function without daily medication and cannot picture a future in which they will not be dependent upon something like anti-depressants and/or adhd medication. while the idea of not needing these medications sounds great financially, for our kidney and liver sake, and for all the hassle that it takes to access these medications.... it's an overly optimistic bias on the grim reality that so many of us live in in which these medications are a base-line necessary tool for daily survival. good conversation overall though! psychedelics have helped me a lot.
32:53 yes yes yes
@Megan thanks
The psychedelic experience is temporary but many people have permanent results.
My first shrooms trip was really awesome, it felt like i
was deep into the sea
One of my best experiences in my life was doing Isd and writing a paper on my interpretation of God and how the universe works, it was amazing and i got an A in the college class of comparative religion
All the problems that these compounds can help solve, and the potential for peace they have.
Last year, I took shrooms at Las Vegas thinking it was going to hit like an edible or something. Shit was scary at first but amazing once you start getting deeper into your thoughts
Is the video fully silent after the 3 min intro for anybody else? The sound is fine during the intro but the rest is silent for me 😢
Audio is only on one side from this point, unfortunately, so I guess this audio channel is turned off for you for some weird reason.
@@alessazoe Thanks a lot! It will be easier to find a fix with this info
Couldn’t listen to it bc the entire interview only came through the left earbud and it through my brain off
yes, extremely irritating!
Same, so I'm reading the transcript :D
ugh i thought it was my headphones
43:03 🩷
You got a bunch of cute shit in your room 🙃
informally yuge
@MILKSHAKEPOD Thanks for the heads up!