Is it worth it to be a PSYCH NP in 2023?
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- Is it worth it to be a psychiatric nurse practitioner in 2023? THIS video addresses all the details of being a psych NP: what a psych np is, salary potential, and whether or not it's *actually worth it to be a psych np! Full disclosure: I am NOT a psych NP, however, this is a career field I strongly considered, and here is my line of thinking regarding psych np's!
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Psych NP here. I own my private practice. My revenue is $512K per year. I work 4 days a week. Very low overhead cost since I’m mainly telehealth and don’t have to pay an office lease.
Hello, would it be possible to get some more information from you on how you achieved this? Thank you!
Erm ya and can you plz teach me how to life better, Gabe? 😂 good freaking lord. Is that true??? $500k??? Pretty sure we found the 🦄, people.
Hi Gabriel, do you expect recent law changes will have an impact on your telehealth practice?
@@Test-zn9rs Yes, so I work 4 days a week. One of those days I'll schedule for in-person initial evaluations and follow ups that require controlled substance prescriptions. Otherwise, if there's no need for controlled meds, then no requirement to see them in-person. My office lease is $109 per month and each day that I rent an office will cost $135.
@@gabrielparsons6338 Thank you Gabriel, that sounds like a pretty good set-up. So basically, you pay a very low monthly rate for the office, and then you pay more for each day that you actually use it? Is this becoming a common office arrangement?
Remote work, salary potential, demand, and private practice are some of the top reasons why I am pursuing PMHNP. Great overview video of the specialty!
Thank you for watching! I feel like a fish out of water, since I am not a psych NP (nor studying to be one). Would be awesome if you did a video on why you think it is worth it, and your thought process on being a psych np!
@@DavidWarrenNP Yes, I will try to do that in the next few weeks!
Did you have Psych RN experience prior to applying?
I REALLY appreciate your candor and the simplicity with which you laid out all this info. I'm finishing my psych NP program in a couple of weeks & you've answered many questions I had. Thank you so much for this vid! :)
Agree with below - own my own practice -- I work 3 days a week and make approximately 250 K a year, sometimes more, and this is on a part-time basis in telehealth. The cost of doing business is low because I work from home. There are downsides but not many.
what are the downsides...?
@@DaJakeWhite he stuck at home all day
@@thepoweraboveall you are right I am at home 3 days a week. But it is definitely worth it.
@@DaJakeWhite downsides = you are at home, no interaction with collegues, you have to be very independent (which to me is not a downside). I miss working with colleagues. To me there are not other downsides --- maybe that it does get old at times but all jobs get old --- but the upsides are so good that I don't get too bothered by them.
I am an rn that has worked general ICU, ER, Psych, TELE and now hospice while I have one year left of PMHNP school. (Only floated in psych never worked long term). However, I have a passion for people in general and have learned much about psych management in end of life care. All that said, one thing many videos on this subject (and careers in general) talk about burn out if you aren’t “passionate” about that particular population and specialized area. My own life experience including missions outside of USA and western culture has taught me that, perspective is vital. If your career defines you, then you will burn out. On another front, if you don’t except work is difficult but is worth it because you are helping others, you will burn out. No matter which field you specialize in. Bottom line is, I don’t believe you are just born passionate about mental health patients, general fnp patients etc. you can develop a passion for the people that need you and mold your perspective, expectations to fit the population you specialize in while working to be the best you can be in that field. In short…. You can be happy in whatever career you choose to be in, ESPECIALLY if your in our field where you are serving others if you choose to mold your perspective accordingly. Life happens to you no matter what. It’s your choice to choose fulfillment. Not enough TH-camr np’s discuss this, and just talk about initial underdeveloped passion as if it’s a natural gift. Whatever you do, find a work environment that pays you well, appreciates you, and do the best you can to serve others. Then choose to be happy. Work is work. It’s not meant to always make you feel good. We worked hard enough and are lucky enough to serve others. FIND happiness. CHOOSE happiness. Quit waiting for some passion inside of you for specialized care , and instead develop it!
Totally agree! For instance, I don’t believe when new grads go straight to ICU to become CRNA and say “Anesthesia is my passion”. How can you be passionate about something you haven’t even tried??? . In my opinion, They are in love with the idea of making big money 💰 or have a respected degree. That is not passion! They might not be able to handle stress and work load etc.
So, I agree with you. People have to learn and develop a passion for what they do. Always be honest with yourself and always look 👀 for a job that meets your basic needs. Such as: low or medium stress level , good schedule, remote job, career growth, level of autonomy, salary or work life Balance, etc. But, if you only choose a career because of the money 💰; THAT ONE FACTOR will not outweigh the negative aspects of that we’re ignored and it will be hard to develop a passion or learn to be passionate about your job.
Well said I have been struggling with this exact thought as I am contemplating going back to school for my np. I have watched many videos and read many comments and yours is the first I have come across with this amazing perspective. Thank you.
There is more lateral movement than you considered. Substance use/chemical dependency, dual diagnosis, clinics, outpatient, working with pregnant women, homeless populations, inpatient, partial hospitalization programs, nursing homes etc.
I noticed this too-I think he just meant that, no matter what, you’re working with psych patients, whereas you can work with a greater variety of populations in some other specialities.
I’ve watched several of your videos in the past. I must say you are great and clever and real in all your videos. I like your perspectives and rationales. Great advice about doing a career in PMHNP!!
This is a great video. I would highly suggest getting psych experience prior to pursuing PMHNP. The trend with so many students is that psych is everywhere, which is true. However, dealing with psych all day every day, with patients who may or may not be mentally stable is different. The way to help people through depression, SI, self harm, etc is complete differently in the psych field than how it’s dealt with in medical. A passion is necessary and can literally be life changing for patients. I say this with extensive experience with both. Medical hospitals treat psych but only at the surface. And this population is so vulnerable that you owe it to the patients to be sure that you’re passionate about it first.
I wholeheartedly agree. A couple things I learned very quickly as a psych RN is you must be able to maintain a poker face. One of my long term patients is severely schizophrenic but also easily triggered into violence. His delusions are very real to him but ludicrous sounding and I’ve learned to be stoic so as not to trigger him for my safety. I also feel if one has any prejudices towards anyone as to their lifestyle or career choice or addiction/substance abuse, then that person needs to rethink this choice. You will see the gamut in psych from extreme abuse to dementia/Alzheimer’s. Some patient’s past or current situations are heartbreaking and I’ve gone into the staff bathroom very emotional at times. I also care for mentally I’ll inmates who have committed despicable acts. One has to learn how to separate the person’s illness and their crimes. So many things to consider when going into psych!
Are you a pmhnp?
Nurse Practitioner test is really fustrating , I can't believe I failed again after studying so much 🥺🥺😓😭😭
Mrs Catherina is obviously the best, i studied her questions and answers just in 5 days and I passed, the materials she provided was exactly the questions I saw on my test day
I was lucky to meet MRS CATHERINA only God knows I wouldn't have succeeded without her
I would say 120k-150k is the range for majority psych NPs, but it can definitely go up to 200-300k depending on owning your own practice and how many patients you are seeing per hour and their severity. As well as outpatient vs inpatient. From my experiences inpatient actually pays lower in psychiatry, but you will atleast get better health benefits. Saturation is a concern for decrease pay, but at the same time the world right now is in great need for psych NPs and psychiatrist.
Sweet! Thank you for watching and commenting! I would imagine inpatient pays lower. I can see owning your own business and making very good money- that seems to be the consensus.
Starting salaries for PMHNPs are declining generally, e.g. 120-130K, especially in community mental health centers, but get a couple years of good expierience and you can easily double or triple that doing more lucrative locums and private practice work. If it's your own practice and you're willing to put the work you will be well rewarded. But you have to want to do this to stay in it for the long haul and not burnout.
how do you know starting pay is declining? are you a psych NP?
Thank you so much for this video!!! It helped 🙂😊
I disagree with the emphasis of suggesting that nurses should not become a psych np if they do not have passion for it.
Most nurses do not have a passion for bedside nursing but still show up anyways. Many nurses who get advanced degrees is because we’ve decided to move away from bedside nursing…if you know you know!
I get the gist of your point but for the most part with rare exception most nurses do not love the job but still show up.
Psych np would be no different.
We live in a capitalist society and we have the opportunity to make the best of our situations with advanced education of our choosing.
Good info though 👍
2nd paragraph is bery true🤣🤣🤣
@Cwht1708 I admire and totally agree with everything you have stated. This has nothing to do with passion or liking.
Just as you said, a huge percentage of nurses do not like their job, but still show up and get things done. As a BSN nurse, I will be the first to admit that bedside nursing is also a nightmare for me and almost all the other nurses that I work with. I am yet to find a nurse who loves bedside. " If you know, you know, and if you don't know, then you don't know."
I 100% agree with you when you also stated that due to our dislike of Bedside, we pursue an advanced nursing degree to get away from it.
I further agree when you mentioned that living in a capitalist environment forces us to make the best of our situation by going for an advanced degree that will pay us more.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PASSION OR WHAT WE LIKE OR DISLIKE.
WE HAVE TO MAKE THE BEST OUT OF OUR SITUATION TO FEED OUR FAMILIES OUT HERE.
Thank you for reading my mind.
I am about to start my PMHNP very soon.
I will be adding my FNP later in the future.
God bless you.
Very well organized and said. Good energy, good information, well educated, and good presentation. Thank you for your video.
I’m a psych RN and have been for 3 years now (and an RN for 30 yrs) and I love psych nursing; I wish I’d explored the field when I was younger. I’m 50 now but am going for psych NP online. I have personally been affected by mental illness as had members of my family and I know I can make a difference in many patients’ lives. My patients now are usually happy to see me and I often share with them things like coping mechanisms that have helped me or family members and they’re so grateful. As for the money, my state pays the lower end but all I need is enough money to pay back my loans and still pay my bills. Thank you for a very informative video.
And I know with every fiber of my being that this is what I was meant to do. All I’ve gone through in my life and career was preparing me for this, I feel. I was a bedside nurse for 20 years so I’m very in tune with the physical but oftentimes physical disorders can actually contribute to psych symptoms so I feel it’s good to have the bedside experience.
Hi what school are you going? I would like to embark on this journey
@@gayanngodfrey2824 I’m hoping to start summer semester at Maryville University online in St. Louis, MO.
Great comment. Age is unimportant. A patient, caring heart is.❤
What state are you in?
Appreciate you commenting on Psy NP as it is a career path that I am currently pursuing.. In my area, for a patient to have psychiatric consult is 3 month period...the need is there.
Yesss I see that as well. I believe it is that way across much of the US. You are choosing a great field!
Thanks Warren, good luck on ur Half Marathon
Thank you!
Hey David, lol I just commented on another one of your videos. Clearly I'm binging your content a bit. But I'll just respond here as well. I'm a dual certified FNP and PMHNP in Virginia and work a full time W2 position. My base salary is just over $150K and I earn bonuses as well which is typically between 35-50K annually. I work internal medicine using my FNP skill set but inside of a psychiatric hospital. Occasionally I will pick up shifts as a PMHNP as well, but mostly stick to my role as a FNP.
I don't know why np are so underpaid for the amount of responsibilities they carry . I make 160 k as lpn in pa and I'm willing to eventually become a psych np but it looks like financially it won't make much sense.
CRNAs are in surgery with peoples lives on the line so experience in critical care makes sense.
Psych NPs only need an RN because RN school alone is extremely hard. If you’re in psych for the money only that’s a concern you will burn out. If you love it and have a work life balance you’re golden. I am a licensed clinical social worker with a Masters in Social Work and I now have my RN/BSN. My RN Journey was so hard. I start NP school next week.
Psych np’s making 150-250k a year. Psych np owning a practice making 300k-600k a year. I heard one made 1 million a year but worked 60-80 hours a week.
Yeah that makes sense. You will (most) always make more money when you have your own ship.
How can a PHNP have their own practice?
@@AntonioLiberato08 You need to either be in a state that allows NPs full practice authority, or something similar, or you can partner with a physician.
What state?
@@AntonioLiberato08 By opening one and doing it? Literally just have to put in the work, nothing is stopping you.
Well put, thank you!!!;) LOVE THE 3 RULES FOR COMMENTING!!!;)
That’s exactly my fear (the PMHNP market saturation in a couple years from now). I’m currently in an AGACNP program in one of the top 10 universities but thinking of switching to CRNA or perhaps psych due to how easy it is to navigate to even though I currently have all I need to apply for CRNA school. I’m most passionate about CRNA but honestly not passionate about any thing job related right now tbh I’m just trying to make plans for the future.
I would love to help all the Veterans suffering with severe depression, ptsd, grief. It males me sad that the government is so neglectful about this aspect of mental care for our Veterans who are suffering and feel alone 🥺
Hey Sabrina, I totally agree. Psychiatric care in the US is lacking SO much. Very very sad.
As a PMHNP of 22 years, I can tell you the salary has been driven down by the flood of online schools, low entry level requirements churning out unprepared individuals, and hoards of new PMHNP in most major cities over saturated. 10 years ago yes salary closer to what you quoted and you were a commodity. That is not the atmosphere now at all. Not in the DFW area I practiced in or anywhere in Florida along the coasts. In Florida btw, salaries are more like 110-150 on high end. The telehealth area is being highly monitored now in psychiatry due to the flood of companies and providers with unethical practices. Thank you for pointing out the need for passion for psychiatry. I had to stop precepting others because of the frustration with individuals who were clearly there for the salary.
Why does the Board of Nursing continue to do this and how can we change it?
Nah they're getting paid more now
Hi, I am a new grad in Utah. Average here for new grad is 120k a year ish. I would say those higher numbers are the exception not the rule atleast as far as I have seen. I agree and also have seen that if this is not your passion burn out happens very fast so if it is about the cash you should defiantly not do it. It can be very taxing to hear about abused children, depression, anxiety, abuse, and all the other things that come along with mental health. But if it is your passion, this is a great field. I agree with you totally! I have not yet started working but I have been a psych nurse for years and I love this population:)
Hey Brigitte thanks for watching and commenting! Congrats on finishing your program and getting started with a job! Best of luck to you. We need people like you who are passionate about their populations!
@@DavidWarrenNP Thank you! I am really excited and nervous to start 😅 I have watched your journey throughout and have a lot of respect for NP’s who love ER. I once thought I would be an ER nurse about 16 years ago and quickly learned exactly what you have been saying “ to thine own self be true” kind of a cheesy saying but it has served me well! Thanks for sharing your journey and knowledge about the field. It has been great to watch and very honest ( no fluff) 😊
Thank you for the great video. I have heard a lot of talk about over saturation, when it comes to this particular specialty as more and more PMHNP’s are coming into the market due to, as you pointed out, the low barriers of entry which make this phenomenon possible. For individuals who are interested in Nursing overall, what specialities or careers will be in-demand in 20-30 years? For someone starting out now, what do you recommend, strictly based on future demand? Thank you again for the informative video.
I hear this all the time about oversaturation. However, at least in the northeast there are not even remotely close to enough psych providers. Also, my program is renowned yet still has low enrollment where as the family nurse practitioner programs are full with waiting lists. We need more psych providers like yesterday. The more the better and the sooner the better. I really wish we could dispel this over saturation myth I see all the time mainly online and never in real life.
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Totally agree but most nurse practitioners in 30 years will be retired. I don’t think that we will ever have issues with supply and demand. What I have issues with is there are nurse practitioners that will undercut other nurse practitioners in regards to salary. I wish all nurse practitioners would band together and demand a better fair wage. I have been beat out of really amazing jobs when there are nurse practitioners that are OK making 98,000 a year and it would be a job I would not take for anything less than 145K a year.
My friends who became psych nps had no problem finding jobs last year and do get paid pretty well 140k range but half of them are struggling saying its much more work than they expected and its emotionally draining so they are switching to fnp. The other half love what they do.
That's low pay considering I'm just an lpn and I make 160k . I still wanna pursue it but it seems like financially is not gonna be that much better ...
@@ricardorodriguesrr18 lol lpn making 160? Im a rn and don’t make that
@Mp yep . I do contract at a va facility.i don't think I'm overpaid, but I think a lot of rn and np are underpaid.
Were these friends who became psych NPs had experience in psychiatric nursing prior? Or more of a medical background?
@@ricardorodriguesrr18 good for you my dude
Psych NP for 5 years, working the entire time in corrections. Love my job and have no regrets!
I'm about to start nursing in an infirmary in corrections and I've been told that it's about 50/50 medsurg/psych. I'm thinking of pursuing becoming a PMHNP in the future. If you don't mind me asking, what RN experience did you get before becoming a PMHNP and did you feel that it was very helpful? Thanks!
That is so cool! We need top notch psych providers who love what they do!
Can you give us some ball park figures on the salary, work schedule and work life balance ?
@@Scar-jg4bn 20 years as an RN. No psych experience
@@gerardragoobar3805 four 10’s a week. Great work/life balance. No on call. Salary 175k+
Hi BSN nurse here looking to go to graduate school. Not really a question related to the Psych NP route. But, can you work as an ER nurse practitioner with an ACNP certification?
Hey! Good question. You can-- however, you will be limited unless you also have a FNP certification. You will be unable to see pediatric patients. Now, if you work in a large trauma center where there is a childrens hospital close by, and pediatric patients don't frequent the department much- you can def work there. However, if you want to live in middle town america where community hospitals are- you cannot, because about 20% of all ER visits are pediatrics.
Yes.
Can you get into Psych as a new Grad?
Thank You. I do agree there should be more rigorous entry level requirements.
I’ll be there! I can’t wait
Thanks for watching!
@@DavidWarrenNP you welcome
After working with so many confused patients, I get distracted a lot and I tell people confusion is contagious. I had asked others “why would you work for psych pts only when they are everywhere and you are dealing with so many of them already? Aren’t they enough for you? Due to massive supply of mentally ill patients people will have a job and they will be compensated quite well, but for me my mental health and happiness is more important than some extra dollars. It is funny that video often talks about don’t become a NP for the money but it is all people talk about and ask in the comments. Why do you not ask about what does it take to become psych np, scope of practice, work environment, stress level, challenge of treating mentally ill pts if that is your passion? Good luck working with all those psych people!
Hey, David. Great video! I’ve got a question that relates to being an NP, but not specifically psych. Would you need a DNP to practice as a NP in the near future? I’ve ready reports that by 2025, it would be required, but I didn’t know if this were true or not. Thanks!
Hey! Thanks for watching. I feel that, at some point, a DNP will be the entry standard. I'm sure the MSN prepared NPs will be honored so-to-speak. But I do think at some point, entry education to NP is headed to the DNP route solely.
They have ben trying to do that since 2007 and it has not been successful, just as they were trying to make the BSN de-facto degree for nursing since the '70's and they still have not been able to do so. We still have all these different entry points in nursing i.e. LPN, ASN, BSN, diploma, entry level master's MSN now, etc.
Anyone know how much a psych NP in NYC makes? (not owning their own practice)
According to salary.com, NYC psych NPs make between 120-140k per year. This is usually a general average- there will be higher salaries, and lower salaries in this area.
I worked with psych NPs in hospital in queens NY, they make 160-170k a year salary.
I am a wound specialist NP performing bedside surgical debridement with an FNP certification. I earn well but am already starting to feel the physical strain on my lower back and neck. The telehealth opportunities are what is drawing me in to go back to school for this. If I am injured then i definitely cannot perform wound care as it is fast paced and cannot be performed virtually
My friend just graduated and offered 125k and then for additional money will take patients from another hospital
Thanks four you're support , how to become nurse foreigner in american trained Psychiatric mental health nurse practitioner , i am bsc mental health nurse professional l work in government health center for 5 years as psychiatric mental health nurse after 6 - 8 months i come to America and i wanted to work in psychatric mental health nurse i wanted to learning msc in psychiatric mental health np,,,, is it possible
These do not exist in uk only general nurse practitioners advising on psychiatric issues
A family NP can get the psych as well. Dual Specialty.
I’m in psych np school and I’m probably in one of those 6 schools. I’m in it for the bag
Why would u join just for $?? Dont u think u will burnout?? Do you care that these are very depressed suicidal patients?
Goat mindset
Is there still a bag or is there market saturation?
Psych RN here for 12 years now. I have a BSN in finace and ASN RN degree. Looking and trying to find an online RN to NP program; any recommendations? Thank you all♾
Midwestern state university in Texas. 22,000 total all online PMHNP
@@ivorianking6942 thank you so much! How are you making out with being a NP? Did the schooling prepare you for the boards? How many clinical hours did you have to complete? Thanks again!
@@ivorianking6942 how long is the program?
The program I'm in requires 1020+ hours of clinicals :)
That is awesome! Thanks for sharing!
Dave, I could not help but comment. You gave a 30-year time horizon, but here in the New York area, psych np has become all the rage, as I hear that it is in California. I give it about 7 years before over saturation. I know that in every profession, one needs to choreograph a path, but there is something so manic, sad, and desperate in the nurse pathtitioners' search for the unicorn that forced me as a FNP to get off the np hamster wheel entirely. Too many of us were trapped in unhappy jobs because of the constant university crank out of NPs, which I view as an absolute betrayal to the profession. This is all leading to multiple certifications of sub-standard skill. I think that too many are now going into psych as an answer to their discontent. This is not a healthy approach.to be chasing trends like a fashionista. - CRNA is different because it is and will remain an exclusive club. Run of the mill critical care nurses can garner $125 an hour as flex per diem in my area. That's where I am as I go back to school and out of the dysfunction that is nursing medicine .
CRNA is not a fix either tons of mills there too and they are threatened with AA+ anesthesia providers, the problem is 3 million RNs which is one of the highest populations of workers, all want to do something else, leading them to higher education. Every advanced degree of nursing is doomed to overpopulation
Julie- you are most likely correct. Especially since psych NPs, like all other areas of NPs, have zero barriers to entry. Thanks for watching and thanks for commenting.
Self less- I would disagree for anesthesia. There is less tendency for over saturation, since all anesthesia schools have very high barriers to entry. Also, you cannot work in CRNA school- this is a big factor for most people. Also, people routinely fail out of CRNA school. Hardly anyone ever fails out of NP school.
@@DavidWarrenNP I was allowed to work for the first year for my program, and entry wasn’t bad at all, maybe vs NP, but not hard in general….Your still left with many different pathways to achieve an anesthesia provider, right now it’s okay because the rotation of MD anesthesiologist are being replaced by CRNA, but in 30 years as you say who knows. It’s a tiny market that’s being rapidly filled.
@@FellowOfHammer Yes I agree- and that's what. Iwas referring to- comparing the entry requirements to that of the NP program. And true about replacements/small field. I suppose we will see! Where do you work now?
I would disagree David with the low barrier of entry. This is a common statement that physicians usually make to put nurses down. Most mid-levels providers have less years of education than many NP if you take into account how many NPs have their DNPs, or are double certified. Getting a MSN and investing the time and effort is not that easy. I hate to tell you that CRNA school is becoming the same. Not every school requires the applicants to have CCRNs anymore, 10 years ago CRNA school would only accept straight ICU experience and ER was not consider critical care, which makes no sense, now ER nurses can apply. There are CRNAs schools today that are mostly online. Again, 10 years ago, the nurse had to quit working for 2 years to graduate. All advance practice nurses have to shadow a provider in order to graduate and invest a lot of money, hours, and effort to graduate. We have a huge nursing shortage; I think is okay to keep the opportunity "open" for nurses to advance if they choose to. Nurses are supporting their families, and adding a bunch of barriers of entry to the programs does nothing other than making them unachievable for working RNs. I have 20 years of ER nursing experience, that are many useless providers, physicians, or clueless PAs working today, that had a hard time getting into their programs but did not translate into good practitioners.
Hi there, I understand that you disagree with me regarding the little barrier to entry, however, you didn’t explain your position about NP school not having a low barrier to entry. You simply stated that crna school is going the same path etc.
Anyway- I’ll offer you this:
There are accelerated nursing/MSN programs out there that allow nursing students to go straight into nurse practitioner school. That is a very definition of a low barrier to entry. There is no experience required.
When you say there are not low barriers to entry for NP programs, perhaps you can explain what you mean by that? 🙂
@@DavidWarrenNP I am not here to speak 🗣️ for her. But I agree with you that there are low barrier entry to NP programs. Some Universities might be more strict than others. So, If nurses want to do the right way, they will do what she mentioned; work bedside for a few years, get a MSN be certified, get more experience in a specialty and then go for a DNP. However, people want shortcuts and that only benefit Universities and hospitals because Nurses will saturate the market and lower their salary; which is great for hospitals and for Universities that keep producing NP like crazy.
Now! Nothing is set on stone for CRNA. Meaning that there are no laws or rules to a federal or state level that prevent low barrier of Entry.
CRNA is great degree with so much liability and autonomy. It is the type of profession where you can’t fake it until you make it. However, there are more new grad nurses that only try to get into ICU to get 2 or 3 years of experience, CCRN and GRE to get in the program. This could be an example of a low barrier for CRNA. How can a nurse with 2 or 3 year of experience be consider for such an important role??? I think this applies to what she said about providers who struggle to get into and finish an advance program but their knowledge doesn’t reflect in the work field.
She is also right about CRNA program now no asking for CCRN or GRE. I already found a few schools.
I think my bottom line David is that hospitals don’t need Anesthesia Providers in a huge quantity. Eventually, even with high expectations and requirements from CRNA school nurses will saturate this field as well, just like they did with NP.
Why? Because more nurses want to do it for the money 💰.
Universities will be less strict with their requirements to capture more students and retained 💰 from tuitions. So, eventually salaries for CRNA will drop and once again Universities and Hospitals will benefit.
I know you might say that it will take many years for what I mentioned happening, but remember what I just told you, a Clinic or Hospitals don’t need huge numbers of Anesthesia providers .
I am here with a neutral opinion because at the end we all healthcare professionals are used by a business model that works very well for healthcare companies.
Greetings
The rates are going down. $140k is probably max in most places. Insurances are not paying the way they did. I have 5 years of exp and make 130,000 but cost of living is insane so that's not much. People need to stop making false claims because many will be disappointed once they enter the market.
But you are not a PsychNP and you read online that is good money but not all make that.
I know few of them that quite because they couldn't handle it and got PTS.
Lots of them dont get paid more than 100k a year.
I think you should stick to what you are trained in. Psych np work in school districts doing ieps.
Another point to note: with SM and all the talks about CRNA salary and all most people are going into nursing school and diving straight to the ICU etc. The social media generation are here for what’s good and most of them are willing to do the work. With that being said, I foresee saturation in all fields but of course higher level of saturation in psych not because of the money but because it’s something you can do remotely. I make about 220k as an ICU nurse so obviously 125k as a psych NP isn’t why I’m considering psych but the remote / flexible side of it as I don’t see myself running after patients at a certain age or running to clock in and out. ACNP’s are miserable in every hospital I’ve worked reason I’m definitely switching out of the program to CRNA or Psych still trying to make up my mind. GPA 3.8, CCRN, tons of leadership and shadowing experience, published article / research projects, awards, sigma etc nothing stopping me from applying to CRNA school to join the gas gang but can’t seem to make up my mind since working from home is what I would love the most in future when I’m in my 40’s.
$220k a year means you're a travel nurse or you're picking up a lot of overtime in one of the high cost of living states?
Over saturation is a myth in any medical field. Psychiatry is not an easy field and not something most people like.
No one cares about your gpa lol
Do you work an insane amount of extra shifts? I know a lot of RNs who make this but are literally working themselves to death.
@@keshathomas3033if u make 75/hr base you only would have ti work about 4 shifts a week to make 200k
This is my dilemma now I wanted CRNA but I value my flexibility more … i took a year of to presue IT in hopes of working from home … so I know PMHNP is probably the route I will take .
Do you really believe anyone who says i make half a million with no rent ? (half baked information )
Dont you think if it was that easy anyone would do it
*new grad PMHNP
Congratulations!! That’s really awesome!! I am trying to find an online program currently. I have been a psych nurse for 12 years now and I want to become a NP. Any recommendations? Thank you!
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Thanks :) I went to Northern Kentucky University it’s online. It was a good program. Not perfect, but the price was reasonable and I finished in a couple years so it worked great for me😊 Good luck! I am glad I did it!
@@brigittelee694 Hi How much was the program? Was it self paced? Could it be finished in less than “a couple years?” Pros and Cons of the program?
I only want to here from PMHNP’s thanks for wasting time
All common sense advice
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