Excellent - You solved my problem of my rail being slightly out of square with my fence at 21:20 which I think is caused by my my mft holes - many thanks
Great video Dirk, very informative and it was great to meet you on the BenchDogs stand at MC, thanks for explaining the usage of the carpenters square, my son was impressed 👍.
Could you help me with the minimum distance required to the wall from the center of the hole one mounts the quad base in, assuming the guide-rails don't extrude longer than necessary? I would like to not swap the mounts to have the guide rail in front, while interesting, it doesn't seem the best long term solution for me.
@@DCreationwoodworking hey sorry I missed your reply, not sure how. Anyways, that's a super nice offer. I have now ordered the hinge system and will see how it fits my workshop, but based on your video I am sure it will work very well.
Very excited about this when first announced, I have quite a few products from Benchdogs and the quality is top notch! Unfortunately my MFT is fitted to the wall and can't afford to donate the amount of space required to mount and use the hinge. Never mind, I'm no professional so can live with it. Great product. Thanks for posting. Mike
Hi, Really enjoyed your presentation. I am new to carpentry as a hobbyist. I have acquired the Parf. Mk 2 system and I intend to create an MFT table on part of a 25mm mdf workbench top which measures 1500 x 900 mm, I have also bought benchdogs quad rail hinges which I want to accommodate on the MFT table. I also intend to put a router table at one end of the workbench top. I would greatly appreciate your advice on how to start with the Parf system bearing in mind accommodating my quad rail hinge. Look forward to hearing from you. Kind regards, Paul
Hi Paul, nice the get feedback i am really want to help to set up your bench. The quad base fits on every mft so you can make the mft with the parf system.
Terrific video! I am excited to purchase these hinges when they are back in stock. Question, though: The back side of my bench will be against a wall. I am ok with the offset from the wall needed for the hinge mount. However, I am unclear on how I would go about accessing the knob to adjust the height of the hinge base plate. My understanding is that it must be adjusted (on both sides of the bench) to the thickness of the board being cut, so that the track saw rail is set to the correct height and appropriately supported. It seems this would necessitate routine access to the hinge on the back side of the bench, which would be against the wall and inaccessible in my case. Am I misunderstanding? Thanks! Tammy
Many thanks for your feedback and that you like the video! I truly love the interest in it is it truly outcome in a small shop. However, you need to change the height on the knob indeed so you need to have access in all fairness I am always doing 18 mill plywood when I’m using my hinge so I don’t adjust the height that much and if I need to do some thing specifically Thicker, then I need to adjust it and I need to have access to the knob. I hope this and her helps any questions. Let me know. Kind regards
@dcreationwoodworking3495 thank you for the response!! I watched a lot of videos on the hinge and could not find one that addressed that or demonstrated the hinge in use. Much appreciated.
Enjoyed your video I have both Fence system and the hing system I was confused a bit on which reference settings are used and which is the reference hole in the bench to get the under rail support to fit tight infront of the hing plate I am going to make my own MFT top I have the parf system to make the top I did not order the jig at the time. I know they reference that the hole be 48 mm from Center towards the edge and no more than 35mm from the edge. There are no references for the fence offset with it in any documents on bd manual. I want a system approach more like what you have, lack of supporting design elements is a hinder and shipment to the states is again more cost to get the jig. I asked the creater of the parf system about how to do it but as they make there own fence it did not go as expected. Thanks again for the video
I made another video and that video is going about using your hinge and fence without Mft top. The option of this hinge is that you can calibrated by yourself so it is not a big disaster when your dog holes are out of square. it’s basically comes down to make two extra dog holes with a offset you can do gnats bite glueing temporary a drawer on your workbench with the additional extra dog holes.
Can you drill the mounting holes from the existing holes using a Parf guide? Or if you are making a new table lay them out before using the Parf guide?
You can use the jig that you can order as well so you can extend the holes. Basically if you have an MFT table you are able to install this, but I recommend ordering the offset check with the hinge so you can bring out your hinge to the edge.
@@DCreationwoodworking I was going to make my own custom size top with a Parf guide and wanted to avoid buying another tool that I would use just once or a few times. Thank you for the reply!
Very good demo, thank you. Could I just ask, if you are constantly removing and fitting the fence is it not going to eventually cause slop in the holes causing your fence to move slightly which will affect you 90 degree cuts? I may be wrong? I have the same fence but use quad dogs to secure it. Thanks for the video 👍
Hoi, zou je me aub kunnen helpen met hoeveel centimeter het scharnier achteraan over de werkbank uitsteekt zodat ik weet hoeveel ruimte ik nodig heb tussen de werkbank en de muur?
Great video and plenty of good advice as I’ve just received my hinge jig. What size is your MFT top please? I’m just in the process of making mine with UJK Parf Guide.
Fantastic review Dirk, well done mate, 👍👍. how much rear track overhang is there when set up the standard way? How much space do go think you would need between the bench and back wall for the track to hinge ????great content thanks again, 👍👍
Hi mate! It’s around 150mm if you Use The hinch on the backside of your bench. But you can bring that in to. I wanted to have more space on my top so I brought out my fence and also the hinge as far as possible. I will measure the inside of the hinge towards the first dog, that will be your minimum on overhang. but then you lose cutting space on your workbench but if you have to choose between the weightnes of your workbench versus overhang because there’s a wall then it’s quite easy.
First time here. Thank you. Very helpful video. I have received my benchdogs hinge system but yet to set it up! Very excited about the prospect of setting it up. Good to see how you did it. Did you make your own mft table?
great video. The hinge system alone cannot accurately cut due to free play in the hinge plate parts. No matter how accurate the setting is, there's no point in installing the hinge system because you need to make sure that the right angle is correct every time. With the hinge system installed, I'm checking the right angle by letting the rail touch the benchdogs in the old way. I've never used a product from another company, but I think this part needs to be improved. So, how was yours?
Dave Stanton's MK2 dog locks available in the major manufacturers colours are only $30, quick, simple and accurate. Sadly they are not available in the U.K.
@@DCreationwoodworking Hi, Dave Stanton is an Australian who has a woodworking TH-cam channel, he designed and now makes a set of two plastic hooks that fit into the left hand channel of the track and hook over two long bench dogs. This setup is quick, stable, inexpensive and will allow the thinnest of material to be cut. This is similar to the wire clips, but a much better design. Obviously if you find his channel all will become clear. On the subject of track hinges I fail to understand the need to have such an expensive track hinge for the average woodworker who is basically cutting sheet materials such as mdf and plywood. I raised this with Peter Millard ( The 10 minute workshop), quote this for a discount on Bench dogs orders). I know that Ralph at BD has invested heavily in the design and manufacture of his innovative British products, I have some myself including the rail square, all his products are faultless, however track hinges I do not get! Someone please explain, I know every time he does a production run it is sold out!
Bench Dogs verkoopt inderdaad leuk spul. Jammer dat er vanwege Brexit invoerrechten en btw moeten worden betaald. Dit artikel wordt daardoor ongeveer €50,- duurder.
So this is s comment about the product, not the video (your videos are always great.) This strikes me as Bench Dog's subtle way of telling people they're running out of the kind of ideas that made them a successful brand. I can't imagine have to put this on my bench every time I need to make a cut, and then take it off to go back to work. I realize that small shops necessitate work arounds, but this seems an unnecessarily cumbersome solution. JMHO.
Definitely NOT running out of ideas. We have lots of products we are working on and will release in time. We generally make products with customers requests and feedback. The hinge system was definitely a popular request hence why we have made it.
Hi Phil. Thanks for your comment and support on my channel. Well you don’t have to take it off all the time you can let it sit on your workbench. What I like about this product is that I can take it to the job site and do my thing there. About the products i can give Answer, I am not on that. Hope to see you comment in my next video thanks a lot
@@Benchdogtools I own many Bench Dog products, and have always found them to be relatively elegant solutions to common tasks. Actually a big fan of the hand planes, good quality and very little tuning needed right out of the box, all at a price well below the Lie-Nielsens. I may be in the minority, but I think this one lacks the style and ease your line is known for. Again, just my opinion.
@@dmc6807 I thought the two were affiliated. My mistake. We're back to my original premise that this is a cumbersome solution, and I withdraw how highly I thought of their other product line.
In the thumbnail it said "benchsdoguk", in the title it said "benchdogsuk", the subtitles say "Benjamin UK", I google and I find "bench dogs" and I still have no idea what this is about, but don't have the patience to watch either. Was just wondering whether its some new japenese joinery technique or something, judging by the jubled names I read lol
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nice meeting you today in Haarlem - thanks for the advice !
Moving the fence back is neat.
Thanks.
That video was _exactly_ what I was looking for. Answered all my questions. Thanks a lot!
Tour welcomes
Excellent - You solved my problem of my rail being slightly out of square with my fence at 21:20 which I think is caused by my my mft holes - many thanks
Your welcome
Great work dirk. Well explained.
Great video Dirk, very informative and it was great to meet you on the BenchDogs stand at MC, thanks for explaining the usage of the carpenters square, my son was impressed 👍.
Thanks a lot nice to meet you to, always very nice to meet the people in real life!
Thank you posting such a brilliant video. I’ll be setting up my BD hinge this weekend and your tips will be a great help!
Could you help me with the minimum distance required to the wall from the center of the hole one mounts the quad base in, assuming the guide-rails don't extrude longer than necessary? I would like to not swap the mounts to have the guide rail in front, while interesting, it doesn't seem the best long term solution for me.
please send me a text message on Instagram so I can send you a video in our chat
@@DCreationwoodworking hey sorry I missed your reply, not sure how. Anyways, that's a super nice offer. I have now ordered the hinge system and will see how it fits my workshop, but based on your video I am sure it will work very well.
Excellent review !
They do ‘supply’ the little gadget for drilling..but not free…it’s £50
Very excited about this when first announced, I have quite a few products from Benchdogs and the quality is top notch! Unfortunately my MFT is fitted to the wall and can't afford to donate the amount of space required to mount and use the hinge. Never mind, I'm no professional so can live with it. Great product. Thanks for posting. Mike
Well do you have space on the front that you can add? So you can bring out the front and bring in the back.
Great video Drik, lots of good advice. Can't wait to take delivery of my Benchdog Hinge, I think in June as I am in the 3rd production batch.
Thanks a lot 🙏🏼
I am especially interested to see your idea of using a different offset for the hinge and fence and drilling new holes for both. Nice video.
Very good system and will come for my new big MFT! 💪🏼
That was a really good presentation, really helpful stuff! Thanks very much indeed! 👍
Great vid. Good to meet you on stand at Maker Central.
Thank for making this video, what fence system do own, the one in the video. Thank you!!
Hi,
Really enjoyed your presentation.
I am new to carpentry as a hobbyist.
I have acquired the Parf. Mk 2 system and I intend to create an MFT table on part of a 25mm mdf workbench top which measures 1500 x 900 mm, I have also bought benchdogs quad rail hinges which I want to accommodate on the MFT table. I also intend to put a router table at one end of the workbench top.
I would greatly appreciate your advice on how to start with the Parf system bearing in mind accommodating my quad rail hinge.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Kind regards,
Paul
Hi Paul, nice the get feedback i am really want to help to set up your bench. The quad base fits on every mft so you can make the mft with the parf system.
@@DCreationwoodworking 7:48 7:50 7:54
Thanks for response- appreciated- what distance from edge of MFT should dog holes be to accommodate the quad rail ?
Regards
Paul
Hi there
Thanks for the feedback! With the parf system you can put the guid base on you bench
thanks for the video. i'm looking to get my first track saw and mft style system and this will be a nice option to have
Terrific video! I am excited to purchase these hinges when they are back in stock.
Question, though: The back side of my bench will be against a wall. I am ok with the offset from the wall needed for the hinge mount.
However, I am unclear on how I would go about accessing the knob to adjust the height of the hinge base plate.
My understanding is that it must be adjusted (on both sides of the bench) to the thickness of the board being cut, so that the track saw rail is set to the correct height and appropriately supported. It seems this would necessitate routine access to the hinge on the back side of the bench, which would be against the wall and inaccessible in my case.
Am I misunderstanding?
Thanks!
Tammy
Many thanks for your feedback and that you like the video! I truly love the interest in it is it truly outcome in a small shop. However, you need to change the height on the knob indeed so you need to have access in all fairness I am always doing 18 mill plywood when I’m using my hinge so I don’t adjust the height that much and if I need to do some thing specifically Thicker, then I need to adjust it and I need to have access to the knob. I hope this and her helps any questions. Let me know. Kind regards
@dcreationwoodworking3495 thank you for the response!! I watched a lot of videos on the hinge and could not find one that addressed that or demonstrated the hinge in use. Much appreciated.
Enjoyed your video I have both Fence system and the hing system I was confused a bit on which reference settings are used and which is the reference hole in the bench to get the under rail support to fit tight infront of the hing plate I am going to make my own MFT top I have the parf system to make the top I did not order the jig at the time. I know they reference that the hole be 48 mm from
Center towards the edge and no more than 35mm from the edge. There are no references for the fence offset with it in any documents on bd manual. I want a system approach more like what you have, lack of supporting design elements is a hinder and shipment to the states is again more cost to get the jig. I asked the creater of the parf system about how to do it but as they make there own fence it did not go as expected. Thanks again for the video
I made another video and that video is going about using your hinge and fence without Mft top. The option of this hinge is that you can calibrated by yourself so it is not a big disaster when your dog holes are out of square. it’s basically comes down to make two extra dog holes with a offset you can do gnats bite glueing temporary a drawer on your workbench with the additional extra dog holes.
Thanks 🙂
Great work 🤘👍
Can you drill the mounting holes from the existing holes using a Parf guide? Or if you are making a new table lay them out before using the Parf guide?
You can use the jig that you can order as well so you can extend the holes. Basically if you have an MFT table you are able to install this, but I recommend ordering the offset check with the hinge so you can bring out your hinge to the edge.
@@DCreationwoodworking I was going to make my own custom size top with a Parf guide and wanted to avoid buying another tool that I would use just once or a few times. Thank you for the reply!
Great video, this product is very similiar to the dashboard pws system which is superior in my opinion. Again, this is a really good video though.
Very good demo, thank you. Could I just ask, if you are constantly removing and fitting the fence is it not going to eventually cause slop in the holes causing your fence to move slightly which will affect you 90 degree cuts? I may be wrong?
I have the same fence but use quad dogs to secure it. Thanks for the video 👍
Hoi, zou je me aub kunnen helpen met hoeveel centimeter het scharnier achteraan over de werkbank uitsteekt zodat ik weet hoeveel ruimte ik nodig heb tussen de werkbank en de muur?
Geen probleem dm mij anders even op instagram
Great video and plenty of good advice as I’ve just received my hinge jig.
What size is your MFT top please? I’m just in the process of making mine with UJK Parf Guide.
Hi dmc mine one is 900x1400 mm
Thank you 👍
Fantastic review Dirk, well done mate, 👍👍. how much rear track overhang is there when set up the standard way? How much space do go think you would need between the bench and back wall for the track to hinge ????great content thanks again, 👍👍
Hi mate! It’s around 150mm if you Use The hinch on the backside of your bench. But you can bring that in to. I wanted to have more space on my top so I brought out my fence and also the hinge as far as possible. I will measure the inside of the hinge towards the first dog, that will be your minimum on overhang. but then you lose cutting space on your workbench but if you have to choose between the weightnes of your workbench versus overhang because there’s a wall then it’s quite easy.
Fantastic thanks so , for the info, I really appreciate your reply 👍👍👍👍
First time here. Thank you. Very helpful video. I have received my benchdogs hinge system but yet to set it up! Very excited about the prospect of setting it up. Good to see how you did it. Did you make your own mft table?
Many thanks for your feedback!! Yep is made one my self, next one i will buy so somebody will do it with a cnc. What kind of mft do you have
Excellent video - appreciate the explanation and detail. Is there any moment with hinge in dog holes once they are snug?
for the hinge the use aquad dogs the will epand when you tigt them up so you can get these super tight.. thanks for the commend!
great video. The hinge system alone cannot accurately cut due to free play in the hinge plate parts.
No matter how accurate the setting is, there's no point in installing the hinge system because you need to make sure that the right angle is correct every time. With the hinge system installed, I'm checking the right angle by letting the rail touch the benchdogs in the old way. I've never used a product from another company, but I think this part needs to be improved. So, how was yours?
Work with the ujk parf system? And what material did you use for your top table?
Hi there i use black mdf witch is harder then normal mdf is think the parf system works well with it should be good.
I wish we had a better example of this with rails on the sides. I'm not wanting to drill another set of holes into my work bench once I have these
Can you please tell me about your bench top? It doesn't look like MDF. Thanks
So I have a question; where did you get that fence?
From benchdogsuk
Dave Stanton's MK2 dog locks available in the major manufacturers colours are only $30, quick, simple and accurate. Sadly they are not available in the U.K.
I do not really get you on this one, are the bench dogs?
@@DCreationwoodworking Hi, Dave Stanton is an Australian who has a woodworking TH-cam channel, he designed and now makes a set of two plastic hooks that fit into the left hand channel of the track and hook over two long bench dogs. This setup is quick, stable, inexpensive and will allow the thinnest of material to be cut. This is similar to the wire clips, but a much better design. Obviously if you find his channel all will become clear. On the subject of track hinges I fail to understand the need to have such an expensive track hinge for the average woodworker who is basically cutting sheet materials such as mdf and plywood. I raised this with Peter Millard ( The 10 minute workshop), quote this for a discount on Bench dogs orders). I know that Ralph at BD has invested heavily in the design and manufacture of his innovative British products, I have some myself including the rail square, all his products are faultless, however track hinges I do not get! Someone please explain, I know every time he does a production run it is sold out!
@@ralphmason7163 I’ll check it out
Bench Dogs verkoopt inderdaad leuk spul. Jammer dat er vanwege Brexit invoerrechten en btw moeten worden betaald. Dit artikel wordt daardoor ongeveer €50,- duurder.
ha Ruud we hebben een shop in de eu nu dus ga naar de site en dan kun je naar de eu site en kun je invoer rechten vrij shoppen.
countersink it
So this is s comment about the product, not the video (your videos are always great.)
This strikes me as Bench Dog's subtle way of telling people they're running out of the kind of ideas that made them a successful brand. I can't imagine have to put this on my bench every time I need to make a cut, and then take it off to go back to work.
I realize that small shops necessitate work arounds, but this seems an unnecessarily cumbersome solution. JMHO.
Definitely NOT running out of ideas. We have lots of products we are working on and will release in time. We generally make products with customers requests and feedback. The hinge system was definitely a popular request hence why we have made it.
Hi Phil. Thanks for your comment and support on my channel. Well you don’t have to take it off all the time you can let it sit on your workbench. What I like about this product is that I can take it to the job site and do my thing there. About the products i can give Answer, I am not on that. Hope to see you comment in my next video thanks a lot
@@Benchdogtools I own many Bench Dog products, and have always found them to be relatively elegant solutions to common tasks. Actually a big fan of the hand planes, good quality and very little tuning needed right out of the box, all at a price well below the Lie-Nielsens. I may be in the minority, but I think this one lacks the style and ease your line is known for. Again, just my opinion.
You’re referring to different company which I guessed you’ve realised by now?
@@dmc6807 I thought the two were affiliated. My mistake. We're back to my original premise that this is a cumbersome solution, and I withdraw how highly I thought of their other product line.
In the thumbnail it said "benchsdoguk", in the title it said "benchdogsuk", the subtitles say "Benjamin UK", I google and I find "bench dogs" and I still have no idea what this is about, but don't have the patience to watch either. Was just wondering whether its some new japenese joinery technique or something, judging by the jubled names I read lol
It’s about a hinge system for a MFT workbench that wil go with a track saw.