"Trick people into seeing a movie that is smarter than one they would want to see." I've never heard the difference between story & plot widdled down to something I can actually hang on to. Thanks, Seth. #TheOffCameraShow
@JoshNortonalias It implies the exact opposite. If he tought the audience was stupid, he woudn't be making a secretly smart movie. It works because people connect to it. They are using people's expectations, not their inteligence. Most filmmakers do the opposite. They make empty packages.
Edgar Wright and Simon Pegg are so good at this. Make a movie about a guy's nostalgia for his youth stopping him from growing up and dress it up wiith aliens or zombies etc
Currently writing my senior philosophy paper on Tolstoys “What is Art” and Seth basically just covered all of the bases of my paper in 4 minutes. I have nothing but respect for this man
you should write your paper on me - 9 time winner of the tallest guy in the room, champion long jumper from a standing start and I can make the best grilled cheese sandwich known to man without using any cheese. Hit me up.
that reversal is part of Joseph Campbell's "Hero's Journey" also called the "Monomyth". In the journey (about midway or the middle of the second act), the hero eventually succeeds in his goal . The one that was assigned to him in the start. The plot. The unforseen consequences of achieving the goal cause a new set of more serious problems (end of second act). The hero realizes what he/she truly wants and needs to do (the story) and sets forth into the third act for the climax.
Plot vs Story used to confuse me a lot when I was 13-14 years old and first started getting more and more interested in films and film making. But I think Seth Summed it up pretty nicely here.
3:16 what an EASY way to explain the differences between plot and story. I have been trying to understand and watch videos about their differences and just until today I finally understand what it is... Thanks Seth Rogen.
@@SHVDETHEDONIf you mean that you want to understand further, basically, plot is the events: the what, the who and when. The story is the core of it, the philosophy, the SOUL I would even say, it's the themes. A movie's plot could be about robots and humans at war in a post apocalyptic setting, but the story/themes is about what makes us human, the meaning of war, the meaning of lives and etc.
In high school literature, we are taught the three components of a story: plot, characterization and theme. It is telling that many of us have to rediscover this on our own.
1 minute-ish, reminds me of something Kurt Vonnegut said about writing. He said that he wrote only to try to make two people laugh, himself and his sister. His stories were aimed at an audience of two, yet millions can relate and understand.
Tia Aaron see also: fast times, breakfast club, pretty in pink, carrie, election, heathers, say anything, clueless, 12 things I hate about you, Rushmore. Sorry, Seth!
@@parrogakaparadise9477 The keyword is "successful". He never said it was the best. Industry lingo, it made a butt-load of profit and a lot of people went to see it.
what he says at 1:10 is so important in writing and if you're reading this and you're having trouble getting deep and personal in your writing i wish you the best and i hope you can be authentic on the pages if nowhere else
Idc what u say about Seth, he's a lowkey genius and I dont think he's been given enough credit for how good of a writer/producer as he is because people tend to think of him as a "stoner comedian"
Themes are what a films about, Story is what happens in a film, Plot is how the story is structured: when to cut between deuterotagonists' stories, how pulp fiction is structured chronologically, etc.
Every time it cuts to Sam before about 3 minutes, he just looks mortified, like Seth is telling him about the holocaust or something, resting-atrocity-face I guess we could call it
I always find the cuts to Sam really awkward like why do we need to see a blank face reaction of the host? Is he that important? I would use 2 shots and then 1 shots of the guest.
You see, they lure you in with the plot and then you get to hear the story. It might take some searching, but I bet there's a video on TH-cam that would explain it better.
internal goal vs external goal, want vs need, inner journey vs outer journey, desire drives plot and need drives theme, isn't that what he's actually talking about?
OMG OMG OMG! I have watched this video on TH-cam with G SMOKE 🐐🚬0⃣3⃣😜🖕 and Black Peter Griffin and it was awesome! I love Seth Rogen, the story, the plot, the topics and the way they talk! My favorite parts are the opening and the ending! I also love Seth's laugh! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Is super bad the most successful High school movie ? Even tho I like super bad more than them but I think most of John Hughes movies are more successful
@All_Roads yea that's true but that was the 80s , 50 Mill than was obviously more than 50 Mill now but your right the numbers don't lie . Still tho there's so many successful high school movies , the first American pie , fast times at ridgemont high there has to be one people consider better
American Pie is exaggerated in it's humor and maybe less charming compared to Superbad but yes, much bigger. American Pie has a bigger significance in pop culture. There are characters and scenes that absolutely everyone knows almost everywhere in the world. The film got 3 sequels and each part in the whole series has made more money than Superbad.
These interviews/this ‘show’ is really enjoyable but i wouldn’t want to play a drinking game where a shot is done every time ‘like’ was said for no reason! Shame that so many high profile celebs are in a sphere of influence and simply not able to use only the words that are needed but i guess there’s better things in life to be concerned about 😄
@0:53 ..."and then it became the most successful high school movie of all time." Superbad was great, but I mean you're facing some stiff competition when talking about the best high school movies of all time. Napoleon Dynamite, Back to the future, Grease, Breakfast club, Ferris's day off, Bill and Ted, Dead poets society.. Superbad is only #25 for Rotten Tomatoes high school movies, Seth's ego is more impressive than his comedy
The competition would be fast times at ridgemont high, dazed and confused, clueless, mean girls, the breakfast club, perks of being a wallflower, easy a, pretty in pink, high school musical, shes all that, grease, sixteen candles, ferris bueller's day off, election. I'd say superbad is most likely the most successful.
Depends on how one defines "most successful". If that means gross box office totals, then maybe "Superbad" has the most compared to movies like "Grease", which came out when ticket prices were 1/4 of what they are now. But did "Grease" sell more tickets? Probably.
Slightly negative but hopefully constructive feedback: Just a quick note on the after-talk where you say "why not subscribe" - I just gotta say I find that a poor way to sell a product. "Why not." There are always reasons. Please tell us why we should subscribe, and not why we shouldn't shouldn't. Also: it's a bit long to put this after a 3 minute video, to go into the introductionary "hey thanks for watching" Just say: "If you liked this video and want to contribute, then [insert action here] so I can make more and keep them coming for you. If you want to contribute but can't, please just enjoy them, because that's my ultimate goal. Thanks"
Thank you for that thing about 40 year old virgin. That title made me think it is going to be "crap" and just a lot of chilidsh cheap shots. Instead I found the movie to be quite solid. But with some funny childish cheap shots that worked cause the movie actually had some gravita. My point is, you nearly scared me away with that title. Anyway. Nice trick. =) Superbad is fantastic in so many ways. Love it. Have yet to see Long Shot.
Smart-dumb comedy. What he’s saying has merit. It’s interesting and he’s right. It seems simplistic and obvious but if you don’t get it past that then I’m not in any state of patience to explain it.
You don't need to relate to people to give a great movie. Authenticity with enough creativity will draw people in. I don't want to see my life in a movie. I'm watching movies so I don't have to see my life.
Say Seth hows does you? Your brother Joe will be investigating your jokes, as he has reignited his passion to investigate comedians who steals jokes(if that is a real crime). He will be reviewing all your bio and work to ensure everyone that your a "verified" comedian. Also that part where the girl dances on Jonah Hills' leg and leaves a love slap, I nearly ran away from the TV. so ya live and learn, also you need to make a movie about time travel and morals. thanks
Your remark is a funny one. I nearly spat out my coffee at borrowed jokes. (If thats a thing). Also kudos for you knowing His brother, thats insider knowledge.
“It’s luring them in with plot, and giving them story instead.” This couldn’t have summed it up better. Great advice from Seth Rogen.
It's you who couldn't have summed up this video any better than you could.
Or, as I think of it, what happens in the movie isn't what the movie is about.
"Trick people into seeing a movie that is smarter than one they would want to see." I've never heard the difference between story & plot widdled down to something I can actually hang on to. Thanks, Seth.
#TheOffCameraShow
Greg's Masochistic Comment Factory don’t thank Seth, thank Judd, he’s the one who said it.
@JoshNortonalias It implies the exact opposite. If he tought the audience was stupid, he woudn't be making a secretly smart movie. It works because people connect to it. They are using people's expectations, not their inteligence. Most filmmakers do the opposite. They make empty packages.
Why is that your name?
Edgar Wright and Simon Pegg are so good at this. Make a movie about a guy's nostalgia for his youth stopping him from growing up and dress it up wiith aliens or zombies etc
Which is why Paul was such a great movie.
@@elis1716 i agree, genius movies, world's end being my favorite of those, but i have a soft spot for aliens and i thought Paul was amazing.
SPOT on my friend That trio is legendary
Carl Rogers, the founder of counselling, said something to the effect that, "The most personal is the most universal."
In the first 30 seconds, Seth sounds like someone else doing an impression of Seth Rogen
Currently writing my senior philosophy paper on Tolstoys “What is Art” and Seth basically just covered all of the bases of my paper in 4 minutes. I have nothing but respect for this man
you should write your paper on me - 9 time winner of the tallest guy in the room, champion long jumper from a standing start and I can make the best grilled cheese sandwich known to man without using any cheese. Hit me up.
@@murphymagic I finished the paper two years ago.
Don’t underestimate the value of your own story
that reversal is part of Joseph Campbell's "Hero's Journey" also called the "Monomyth". In the journey (about midway or the middle of the second act), the hero eventually succeeds in his goal . The one that was assigned to him in the start. The plot. The unforseen consequences of achieving the goal cause a new set of more serious problems (end of second act). The hero realizes what he/she truly wants and needs to do (the story) and sets forth into the third act for the climax.
niche is always better than trying to please everyone, pleasing yourself is the only way to create honest art
Brooooooo!
the more personal the more universal
Plot vs Story used to confuse me a lot when I was 13-14 years old and first started getting more and more interested in films and film making. But I think Seth Summed it up pretty nicely here.
Love Seth’s use of “inverse equation” from:
the closer (smaller the distance) to self, the larger amount of success
In the beginning, what was important about Seth Rogen was his goofy face, goofy voice, and goofy everything. In the end, it was his brain.
This is by far one of my favorite videos on TH-cam. I will forever be grateful to Seth for Superbad. That movie is something special
3:16 what an EASY way to explain the differences between plot and story. I have been trying to understand and watch videos about their differences and just until today I finally understand what it is... Thanks Seth Rogen.
@@SHVDETHEDONIf you mean that you want to understand further, basically, plot is the events: the what, the who and when. The story is the core of it, the philosophy, the SOUL I would even say, it's the themes.
A movie's plot could be about robots and humans at war in a post apocalyptic setting, but the story/themes is about what makes us human, the meaning of war, the meaning of lives and etc.
In high school literature, we are taught the three components of a story: plot, characterization and theme. It is telling that many of us have to rediscover this on our own.
long shot exceeded whatever expectations i had, such a good film
I was going to watch it this evening but was worried it would be a long shot. Thank you for completing my life,
The story is the outcome. The plot is the journey.
Seth Rogen learned how to clickbait before us all
1 minute-ish, reminds me of something Kurt Vonnegut said about writing. He said that he wrote only to try to make two people laugh, himself and his sister. His stories were aimed at an audience of two, yet millions can relate and understand.
Ok did Seth just drop the single most important fact about screenwriting?
So many golden nuggets in such a short time, thanks
Love Seth, love Superbad.
That being said, best high school movie of all time is Dazed and Confused.
Risky Business and Mean Girls are the best, imo.
Tia Aaron see also: fast times, breakfast club, pretty in pink, carrie, election, heathers, say anything, clueless, 12 things I hate about you, Rushmore. Sorry, Seth!
@@parrogakaparadise9477 The keyword is "successful". He never said it was the best. Industry lingo, it made a butt-load of profit and a lot of people went to see it.
Gregory's Girl.
As a high school teacher, I would say "Election."
I honestly don't know how Seth Rogen lives his life when he's like 50% about to laugh with everything he says...
more people should live their lives like this
Just smoke a bunch of weed and be rich enough to afford all the munchies you need and you'll never frown another day in your life.
He sounds like he has too much energy and he's bursting with it.
Because people on camera being interviewed are portraying the persona they think other people want to see?
Are you dumb? Many people are like this. You ever heard of David dobrik?
Plot = want / Theme = need. At the midpoint, plot should begin to yield to theme.
there was something oddly poetic and beautiful about this segment
Seth Rogen sounds like he would be a great radio jock or potential Sam Kinison biography lead.
Can I get your autograph?
This reminds me of the movie scene where Quentin Tarantino explains what Top Gun is about beyond the plot.
If Seth hadn't made it in acting or movie making, I see him as a local brewery owner.
This is the single greatest instructional video for people who want to tell visual stories. This is a master class in under four minutes.
what he says at 1:10 is so important in writing and if you're reading this and you're having trouble getting deep and personal in your writing i wish you the best and i hope you can be authentic on the pages if nowhere else
Blaaaaaaa stop trying so hard, its not your fault you weren't hugged much as a child and stop being a vegan. Its not a good quality.
Idc what u say about Seth, he's a lowkey genius and I dont think he's been given enough credit for how good of a writer/producer as he is because people tend to think of him as a "stoner comedian"
Themes are what a films about,
Story is what happens in a film,
Plot is how the story is structured:
when to cut between deuterotagonists' stories, how pulp fiction is structured chronologically, etc.
Something valuable Seth Rogen contributed recently.
I grew up at the same time as Seth on the westside of Vancouver and Superbad was the M.O. of every weekend. Beyond relatable . . .
Thanks you so much for your information about between story and plot, very useful for me, thanks
this was amazing and very insightful! Thanks
Learned a lot quickly.Thanks Seth!
Genius greatest producer ever legendary I wish I was a great movie producer god bless.
A subject universal to all Art. TY.
His laugh is almost like a tic. He laughs in the middle of his sentences the way other people pause and say "uhh."
haha exactly
This is EXTREMELY impressive.
I love how it’s in black and white because Seth Rogan takes himself so seriously ..
Every time it cuts to Sam before about 3 minutes, he just looks mortified, like Seth is telling him about the holocaust or something, resting-atrocity-face I guess we could call it
I always find the cuts to Sam really awkward like why do we need to see a blank face reaction of the host? Is he that important? I would use 2 shots and then 1 shots of the guest.
Sam's mind gets blown after everything Seth says
So funny because when he was 25, he looked 35 but i don’t think he’s really aged the past 12 years 🤔 😂
You're verry beautiful mama Mia lol and that is true 😂
@@gabrielsilvas7105 Creep
One of the better Quentin Tarantino impressions I've seen
Bravo. I think this is because if truly creative you're neurotically aware, of things original or offbeat. You found it before the audience.
40 year old virgin is one of the sweetest and romantic movies ever
Always knew he was a smart dude but after watching these i have a whole new respect for him. man's a genius !
specificity is so important man
The problem is Seth could draw on his past and now his experiences are a fraction of a fraction of what a normal person can relate to.
My thumbs up made it to 420 likes. Seth would be proud. He's a clever guy, much respect
Obsessed with him.
How come these titles for these bits are so misleading?
You see, they lure you in with the plot and then you get to hear the story. It might take some searching, but I bet there's a video on TH-cam that would explain it better.
Probably the long version might say something. Still feels like a bait and switch though...
They've been very clickbait-y. Transparently manipulative.
this guy is so fucking talented and understands cinema so well. Seth Rogen will win an Oscar someday for Original Screenplay mark my words
I will bet you 900 bars of soap that he wont.
High school musical** greatest high school movie of all time!
Loved this.
Stanley Kubrick was the master of the plot vs story dichotomy.
Thank christ for youtube, my professor just spent a 2-hour lecturer poorly describing what Seth Rogen managed to do in about 90 seconds.
Great channel !
insane advice
"Yeah..." -Sam Jones
internal goal vs external goal, want vs need, inner journey vs outer journey, desire drives plot and need drives theme, isn't that what he's actually talking about?
This was very interesting.
Great interview, but I've never heard Seth Rogen sound more Seth Rogen than here.
Want vs Need
OMG OMG OMG! I have watched this video on TH-cam with G SMOKE 🐐🚬0⃣3⃣😜🖕 and Black Peter Griffin and it was awesome! I love Seth Rogen, the story, the plot, the topics and the way they talk! My favorite parts are the opening and the ending! I also love Seth's laugh! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Lol this vid is 4 minutes and 20 seconds. 4:20. Very fitting.
Is super bad the most successful High school movie ? Even tho I like super bad more than them but I think most of John Hughes movies are more successful
@All_Roads yea that's true but that was the 80s , 50 Mill than was obviously more than 50 Mill now but your right the numbers don't lie . Still tho there's so many successful high school movies , the first American pie , fast times at ridgemont high there has to be one people consider better
@All_Roads again I just checked and all those movies profits are double now what there were than in terms of inflation
True
It’s pretty much American Pie
American Pie is exaggerated in it's humor and maybe less charming compared to Superbad but yes, much bigger.
American Pie has a bigger significance in pop culture. There are characters and scenes that absolutely everyone knows almost everywhere in the world. The film got 3 sequels and each part in the whole series has made more money than Superbad.
They never have to mic Seth.
This title tricked me into watching a video where I was slightly annoyed by Seth Rogen talking rather than learning a single usable thing.
What I hear him saying is"stick to the formula,don't take any risks and for God's sake don't be original in any way"
These interviews/this ‘show’ is really enjoyable but i wouldn’t want to play a drinking game where a shot is done every time ‘like’ was said for no reason! Shame that so many high profile celebs are in a sphere of influence and simply not able to use only the words that are needed but i guess there’s better things in life to be concerned about 😄
I love Superbad, but am totally buggin’ that Clueless isn’t one of the most successful high school movies!
The only thing he should be teaching is the difference between Sativa and Indica.
He so reminds me of fozzy bear
He has a Tom Arnold vibe.
@0:53 ..."and then it became the most successful high school movie of all time." Superbad was great, but I mean you're facing some stiff competition when talking about the best high school movies of all time. Napoleon Dynamite, Back to the future, Grease, Breakfast club, Ferris's day off, Bill and Ted, Dead poets society.. Superbad is only #25 for Rotten Tomatoes high school movies, Seth's ego is more impressive than his comedy
Superbad was his masterpiece
I appear to have become color blind
Superbad was hilarious. But I didn't realize it was the most successful high school movie ever as Seth noted. Really? Was it really?
The competition would be fast times at ridgemont high, dazed and confused, clueless, mean girls, the breakfast club, perks of being a wallflower, easy a, pretty in pink, high school musical, shes all that, grease, sixteen candles, ferris bueller's day off, election. I'd say superbad is most likely the most successful.
@@SerlingPictures Great list! I love all those movies. But I think Grease might have made the most $.
Depends on how one defines "most successful". If that means gross box office totals, then maybe "Superbad" has the most compared to movies like "Grease", which came out when ticket prices were 1/4 of what they are now. But did "Grease" sell more tickets? Probably.
Superbad is not the most successful high school movie, The Breakfast Club is the most successful
I like most of his movies, but I hate "Superbad" for some reason. I don't know why.
same, not sure why, maybe it's heavy-handed or manipulative... I liked This is the End quite a lot
Why is this censored? Are there 12 years who watch black and white interview shows?
Slightly negative but hopefully constructive feedback: Just a quick note on the after-talk where you say "why not subscribe" - I just gotta say I find that a poor way to sell a product. "Why not." There are always reasons. Please tell us why we should subscribe, and not why we shouldn't shouldn't. Also: it's a bit long to put this after a 3 minute video, to go into the introductionary "hey thanks for watching" Just say: "If you liked this video and want to contribute, then [insert action here] so I can make more and keep them coming for you. If you want to contribute but can't, please just enjoy them, because that's my ultimate goal. Thanks"
Seth Rogen would have made this video length 4:20 instead of 4:18.... just saying!
Why would I take advice from a guy who abuses animators ?
Thank you for that thing about 40 year old virgin. That title made me think it is going to be "crap" and just a lot of chilidsh cheap shots. Instead I found the movie to be quite solid. But with some funny childish cheap shots that worked cause the movie actually had some gravita. My point is, you nearly scared me away with that title. Anyway. Nice trick. =) Superbad is fantastic in so many ways. Love it. Have yet to see Long Shot.
Holy fucking Sami Zayn
💯💯💯💯
Smart-dumb comedy. What he’s saying has merit. It’s interesting and he’s right. It seems simplistic and obvious but if you don’t get it past that then I’m not in any state of patience to explain it.
You don't need to relate to people to give a great movie. Authenticity with enough creativity will draw people in.
I don't want to see my life in a movie. I'm watching movies so I don't have to see my life.
He talks in all caps
Is he high during the interview?
Almost definitely
More like, is he high all the time?
Ironically his movies were better when he didn't have experience
He thinks that movie was most successful high school themed movie of all time? What is this guy smoking?
Yeah pretty sure high school musical or Twilight was more well known than whatever movie he is talking about.
Say Seth hows does you? Your brother Joe will be investigating your jokes, as he has reignited his passion to investigate comedians who steals jokes(if that is a real crime). He will be reviewing all your bio and work to ensure everyone that your a "verified" comedian. Also that part where the girl dances on Jonah Hills' leg and leaves a love slap, I nearly ran away from the TV. so ya live and learn, also you need to make a movie about time travel and morals. thanks
What
Your remark is a funny one. I nearly spat out my coffee at borrowed jokes. (If thats a thing). Also kudos for you knowing His brother, thats insider knowledge.
dropout and a genius
why is it in black and white?