Was looking for this comment! yeah it’s crazy omitting the option to test out the service with a 30-day trial. You’re essentially buying into a 12-month wait-and-see. Oh, Nintendo..
@@kintypoo121 crazy to omit a free trial? They'd be crazy to include it because 99% of people wouldn't pay for it after the trial. Who would pay $50 when you got to play for 30 days already. That's enough time to beat a few games and try a few more lol. I mean if they cared for the customers they might give you a 7 day trial or something but if they cared for the customer they would give you more than a few good games and charge way less than 2.5x the base subscription fee. I guess Nintendo is gonna Nintendo.
@@JaredConnell I don't think you understand the context. MVG said he was going to buy it for a month. Paul is saying you can't buy it for a month and trial it for 30 days, because Nintendo is no longer offering that. You buy in for a year or it's nothing. Nobody is talking about a free trial here.
Yeah, if I had to guess it's got everything to do with the 'free' DLC that's included. Nintendo doesn't want folks to be able to access that for anything less than the standalone price of $25, hence nothing other than a 12-month option for the Expansion Pack. That way you have to pay either $25 or $30 to access the DLC.
The worst part: when people don't upgrade because the pricing is absurd, and some nintendo business suit chalks it down to nobody being interested in N64 and Genesis.
"We were hoping to expand the Sin and Punishment IP even more with maybe a third entry in the series, but no one paid $50 to rent the N64 game, so I guess we'll just cancel all plans for future content."
I'm more worried about Nintendo, in their attempts to get more money for their online services, increasing the price of their standard services, or outright removing it to force their customers into premium membership. Mobile phone Nintendo games were a mistake.
@@vysethegallant638 I would just cancel the service all together and go back to piracy. Damning when you consider there isn’t necessarily a fine line between a reason subscription and theft, but theft is very tempting when a subscription is criminally priced.
As Gabe Newell once said - “One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue. The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.” Except in Nintendo's case, it is a pricing and service issue. And they still can't understand why most would rather download roms and run emulators.
gabe was right i used to pirate so many movies,tv shows, and music till streaming services came out the only thing ive pirated since then is retro games and foreign/out of print movies that i cant find on streaming services
@@tituslafrombois1164 In some parts of the world, your streaming choice may be limited. I pirated five seasons of Miami Vice, because it never got any kind of release in Russia other than its initial airplay in 1995.
Nintendo is a japanese company and those are notorious for being completely stuck in their ways and out of touch with any new updates on the market. They are creative, yes, but completely "my way or the highway, we dont need you". Which is of course a horrible strategy in 2021 and not acceptable.
Meanwhile the braindead animal crossing fans are going wild over a mediocre update and paid dlc that should be free Another reason why the switch is going to be my last nintendo console
@@AlmightyElmin It really disheartened me to see all the animal crossing fans getting excited for an update that adds pretty much everything that should've been in the base model of the game from day one, and then getting more excited about having to pay for the first piece of properly new content in the game, and even that is recycled from a spin off title on 3DS that no one played. New Horizons is a good game, but it's an abysmal animal crossing game and an even worse New Leaf successor.
but we know Nintendo dont care about us only the money and when we get something than its for limited time, virtual console games you have to buy every gen and we get on the Mario Celebration, a Collection for a half year and nintendo think they have done a good thing its was a gift for all our fans
People will ask for free games cuz they paid in virtual console just like when the switch came out. I'm not defending Nintendo just calling out what happened.
@@jage6344 Yeaaaaaah, I'm going to have to absolutely shut you down. First off, D.P.O is absolutely right, in this day and age, emulators, or hell, running roms on real hardware is easy AF to do. Second, Nintendo Switch Online's pretty flawed in what it wants to achieve. When it comes to this Expansion pack, the only benefits you're getting (that can't be bought with the Basic online pack, so that crosses off the Animal Crossing DLC) is the N64 and Mega Drive games. Meaning, that is the ONLY selling point Nintendo has for it's customers, to convince them to get the expansion, that the "basic users" can't get. Possible solutions. 1) For Expansion pack users, they have better online (voice chat, messaging, etc etc) even though these are features that every online service has in it's BAREBONES of services. Hell, Sony and Microsoft had this covered since 7th Generation. 2) Every month, they give out games for free, kinda like how PS Plus does. Giving back to the customers, maybe even convincing those customers to actually buy said game after that month's over. 3) How about some bargains for Expansion pack users? You know, make people "save" money, if they were going to buy lots of extra content for games. (The quotes are there, because ultimately you'll be spending money either way.) But really? A couple of games from 20-30 year ago is the best they could do?
@@LtheOriginal I don't know jack shit about netcodes, all I want is to play my damn 51 Clubhouse with my friends when I'm away. I've noticed the Switch never let's me play online through my Mobile Hotspot. I play modern FPS titles on my laptop through that same Hotspot with no latency.
The crazy part about the Sega Genesis collection is that you can buy an own most of those games on the Switch through the Sega Genesis Classic Collection for like less than $15 on a sale.
Lmaoooo nintendo really charging 30 dollars for roms, also i get it thst the animal crossing expansion is there, i love new horizoms and i cant wait for it but... WHY IS IT THERE, to artificially inflate fhe price i dont want it there i will buy it separately. Its dumb
Even worse, like the day before they announced that on a steam sale I bought that Genesis collection, Dreamcast collection (which came with nights into dreams, a Saturn game), and the shenmue collection, all for 20 bucks. For $20 I got around 65ish games ranging from the Genesis to the Dreamcast, meanwhile Nintendo is charging $50 to have Genesis games you can already buy and 10 n64 games. If Nintendo wasn't a literal 100 year old company, maybe they would have realized that they should have just let us transfer already purchased virtual console content, or even at least do what MVG said in this video.
There was a steam sale recently where I picked up like 50 something old genesis games for like 15 cents each my currency, had already brought a few old Sonic Games but now I have a massive collection that I picked up for practically nothing. I know SEGA can have some pretty glaring issues with some obscenely bad moments at times but damn if they don't also have some good ones too, stuff like the Ultimate Genesis Collection, Fangame ethics and fair use, their good titles like Yakuza 7, etc.
Nintendo makes their customers wait 5 years into the consoles lifecycle to charge $60 a year to play 20-30 year old games with other services others don’t want or need? The management at Nintendo is so disconnected and complacent. We shouldn’t take this anymore.
I agree, not to mention how they’ve been getting law suits about the joy cons for 5 years now and they refuse to sell an updated design. Releasing the OLED model switch that still has all of the same issues as the old console is like Nintendo just giving us the finger.
the only reason why i still got the base package (family package) is because of my little brothers, they want to play online, granted an friend also pays me a bit as compensation since he also is part of that "family" but i'm not even touching my switch, it literally collects dust, was hyped for it, and unfortunately it underperformed for me in every way possible.
@@volvo09 Correct me if I'm wrong (never used switch online) but aren't you paying to "access" a monthly rotating library? In that case they aren't even selling licenses to technically own any of these games.
They shouldn't be making anyone pay $ for P2P netplay. Competitors have dedicated servers. Even with my enterprise grade network I struggle to have a consistent experience on NSO.
I'm part of a full family plan with friends and $10 a year is more than fine for what's available. That single user price is ludicrous though. Imo, you need to split a family plan between at least three people before you get into the reasonable price range.
At this point I'm 100% sure Yuzu/Ryujinx will have Switch games running at 60fps with solid net code before Nintendo figures this "online gaming" thing out. They think it's just like their 90's frenemy relationship with Blockbuster but online.
There is zero value proposition here and the value of the base plan is now reduced significantly.. I doubt they’ll release any new content on the base plan rolling forward.
Nintendo: “We don’t want people pirating our older games.” Also Nintendo: Makes the price more than double for N64 games that are almost certainly gonna drip-feed out and you don’t even own. Nintendo: “Why are people pirating our games?”
The Wii was released in 2006. It had N64 games from day 1. They cost about $5 each, one time. No subscription required. No Internet connection required except to download the game. The Switch has taken 4 years to get just a few of these games, for $50/month with a 12-month minimum, and if I'm not mistaken they require an internet connection the entire time you play - on a handheld system. There's simply no excusing this. It's just plain greed. (also remember when Switch was first released and there was speculation about getting GameCube VC? lmao)
No, they don't require internet all the time you're playing, only once a month to check your membership status. But yeah, everything else is right, and the abuse from Nintendo is clearly seen with this greedy movement they did.
@@jonathanlara1297 if you go to a park and or a place of no internet connection, then all of the Nintendo Online services and their games are basically useless. Just go and test your Switch. Turn off the internet. See if you can play a regular NES game.
Unfortunately they cost $10 at the time, $8 for SNES, and $5 for NES. But yeah, I agree with your sentiment. But really the beauty of the Wii is how easy it was to mod and get every single VC and WiiWare game for free lol.
Fun fact: Mario 64 was only 10 years old when the Wii launched, making it a little newer at the time than Xenoblade Chronicles is today. Xenoblade for Switch is still $60.
My guess: The $30 price boost was decided a long time ago. The business office panicked once the marketing tests came back negative, and rather than drop the price, the ACNH DLC got thrown in last minute to save the price target and “sweeten the pot.”
It’s funny to think this is true. What a half assed attempt to sweeten the pot. This NSO update is a half assed product in general though so I guess it’s not a surprise
@@johnjay370 ikr playing on the OG n64 console with everdrive probably the best and you own the system not rent on switch online service for endless 79$
Yes... Buts thats not a official way to play games... Come on, un can join with 8 friends and its $10 per year for, Snes, Nes, SEGA Génesis, N64 and DLC and the up coming games and things... I pay no than that for Netflix in a month...
I really like how level-headed you are in general. And also Including all kinds of comparisons to similar products and services (vita/switch oled. xbox/ps/nintendo online). Not showing any fake enthusiasm or putting ads and call to actions in your videos is a nice change of pace on this platform too. Hope to see more videos about technicalities from your work as a gamedev :)
Quick note: The DLC for Animal Crossing is also available standalone, disconnected from the service - and if you buy the standalone, you get its benefits permanently. I believe it's been confirmed that if you stop the service you lose access to the DLC islands - which, while understandable, makes it a harder sell.
This bothers me a lot, like imagine playing the DLC for a year and working so hard on your new houses and collecting new furniture only for it all to be taken away
@@Jenny-tm3cm as I understand it, you get to keep everything you bought to your main island, but lose access to the new islands that are part of the DLC.
The Virtual Console was like, literally perfect. Even the E-Shop on the 3DS was great too with the 3D classics Nintendo and Genesis remasters. This is a crap filled disgrace… Specifically a slap in the face towards the emulation and homebrew community.
@ Trace Yup. Dumping the ROM yourself is about the cleanest way to go. As long you physically own the software, as far I’ve read up on laws regarding intellectual property rights, there’s no illegality towards it.
It's funny seeing people remembering the Virtual Console fondly. When it was around, everyone bitched about having to buy the same games in multiple consoles even when they had a discount for it.
@@joannavelvet595 It means emulation on the Steam Deck is going to be very straight-forward and will require no hacking, developer/alternate OS mode, or other shenanigans. You just download RetroArch on Steam and you're ready to go.
We have three switches in our house. Both kids and mine. I love my switch lite on the go, the normal family online is a good price! There's no way however I'm paying that for a years family online plus the Mega Drive library and N64. I'll stick to my bartop arcade raspberry pi4 build for everything else. Or in the case of the Mega Drive my original 1990 unit.
It's so bad that I'm actually really considering canceling my regular recurring Switch Online subscription since I don't really use it enough and the Snes and Nes games they've added since the service launched hasn't been good at all.
- no in-game voice chat updates - no global party chat - still uses friend codes - no achievement like system (with rewards) - no updates to download/upload rates - no custom "home" themes Nintendo: let's increase the price!
Nintendo switch online base service should be free. I mean its laggy, P2P is prevalent and has friend codes in 2021, I could go on, but those few things say it all. Steam deck and RetroArch is going to be the way to go and will run and look better. Like Gaben said, it's a service problem why people pirate games and this is the case here.
Nothing changed before and after Nintendo implemented a subscription service. It used to be free but they decided they'll charge money for it but added nothing of value, cloud saves aren't universal and online is still bad. The truth is Nintendo started charging switch online so they can get money to improve the servers which would take years, so basically yall are "paying beta testers" for 4.5 years
@@S41t4r4 My guess is they took the money to upgrade the online infrastructure so they can triple the cost of the subscription using the money of switch online members. Basically switch online members are building good online for nintendo so they can pay more. Noone will bat an eye if Nintendo changes switch online to 60$ if they actually have good online, even if that good online was built on the backs of switch online members for 5-6 years
@@khaledm.1476 Nah... They simply started to charge, because the others did. Added some NES games nobody wants to play these days... SNES games didn't change nothing for me. It's a lame, featureless service, I'm not buying it for 20$ and certainly won't for 50$...
No, people pirate games because they're greedy and don't want to go through whatever hassle is out there between them and legitimate copies of the game. If you don't want to pay the price for the product/service, don't buy it. But with the choice of not buying it, you have to take the consequence that you don't get to play the games in a convenient fashion. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. Pirating the game only tells the company that there *IS* an actual market for their game, they just need to get more aggressive cracking down on pirates.
@@CathrineMacNiel you haven't uave that there? In my country game stores manages family plans and charged $7-$9 for a family membership slot. I managed a family membership for $5 for anyone who wants to join my family group. It seems I would have to raise the price for $12.5 for next year.
"Nintendo needs to upgrade the infrastructure..." And actually have a substantial library of games that use the online service beyond a novelty. But, people are going to pay this price; even though they don't like it. And that means Nintendo will NOT change their plans. The only way Nintendo will see that they have gone too far is if absolutely no one opts for the upgrade. And that's not going to happen because of all the dedicated fanboys and fangirls that are willing to throw all their money at Nintendo.
Exactly! At $50-$60 a year, people expect Nintendo to compete with Sony & Microsoft's offerings. But no, Nintendo just wants to do things their way, and their rabid brain dead fans will continue defending such anti-consumer practices.
They killed the deal when they showed that ex-PAL regions will receive 50hz versions of games. F-zero X at 50hz? Nobody deserves that, let alone for that premium.
I'd happily pay for the games I actually wanted. When the Switch was first announced I thought it could be amazing for retro games. Thought it was great when the NES and especially SNES games were added, despite a slow drip feed of a few games. It's too steep a price for something I don't use that much, I wouldn't mind if it were a small increase for just N64 games.
Hm pay $30 for a collection of games that'll grow over time, or pay $100 for a niche console with only two controllers and a collection of games that will remain stagnant. You guys are outraged as if you don't already pay for NSO and also pay max price for 4 year old games.
@@RichieAnthonyGuitar If it were $30 a year, it would hardly be an issue. Compared to NSO at $20, the extra 10 tacked on would even be a somewhat decent deal considering DLC will occasionally be included with the service. But it's not. It's $50.
@@JGLCSW The N64 cartridge choice is not as anti-consumer as it seems tho, an N64 cartridge has a minimum data bandwidth of 5MiB per second and 50 at peak while competitors such as Playstation's disc has a bandwidth of about 300kb/sec with relatively high latency. Considering that N64 is Nintendo's first 3D console, the choice of cartridge is actually acceptable. No loading screen is a unique feature of N64 games and many titles would suffer if a CD-ROM format is used...
I grew up with Sony and Xbox and I've had a stink eye on Nintendo since first getting into them with Skyward Sword for the Wii a few years after the Wii's lifecycle. It was still selling for 60$ CAD which I grinned at. Then to find that the Metrood Prime trilogy was only produced for 4 months in order to make it into some collectors item, with prices at a few hundred dollars.
I was pretty excited when I found out about the Expansion Pack because I grew up playing on the Nintendo 64. At that price, though, you're probably better off just emulating anyway. Also, emulation gives me the option to put high-res textures on old games to make them look a little better and I must say that Nintendo isn't doing anything to help its case.
Agreed, thats why im sticking to emulation. They are completely defeating the purpose of us not relying on emulators, anybody who buys this crap are just plain suckers
I find that the texture packs are very good and I have no reason going back to 90s graphics and paying again for the games I already own. I got a 64 Drive years ago when it first came out, but I still prefer emulation and Hi-res texture packs over original hardware. Emulation is all I do for old games now with the exception of my PSOne, Saturn and Dreamcast which will likely change when I build a mini PC for emulation of old systems but now in 4k like with Duckstation.
As a Switch Lite owner I've had zero issues paying the $20 a year for their online service, but $50 in the current economy is highway robbery not to mention everything else you have said, I could not have said it better myself. This just makes my love/hate relationship with Nintendo even stronger, and I'm so glad the STEAM Deck is coming out as an alternative.
@eric Spencer yeah, N64 emulation has been around for awhile. Was able to play OoT on my Win95 PC back in 2000-2001. Link's green costume was white with VIA graphics, but other than that completely playable on Project64 1.4 😂 Never beat Ganon though, had a BSOD and lost my filesystem. No journaling on 95 :/
@@1yaz where in my comment did I say word for word anything about P2P? Also yes I enjoyed the NES and SNES games, and cloud save feature, so I know exactly what I am paying for!
"This pricing really shows a disconnect between Nintendo and the expectations of what the consumers are willing to pay" This has been Nintendo for the past decade. Its hard to find a game on sale for the switch and its probably why switch owners are turning to piracy.
A final nail in the coffin would be if the N64 emulation is the same level as the one on Wii U because it had lots of visual bugs, even disregarding the darkening filter. Paper Mario is actually a great way to test how good the emulation is because of all the different effects that just recently became correctly emulated on PC through angrylion and parallel rdp. Ex. Lightning attacks, attract mode, polygon gaps/misplacements etc. Edit: And Paper Mario actually had several regressions in the accuracy of its emulation when comparing Wii U to Wii, which says a lot. There were also improvements, I believe. Stating this just so I seem less biased.
Based on the trailer, it's exactly the same poor emulation as the Wii U minus the weird dark filter. The HUD elements are still blurry and not displaying correctly.
@@TheBaxes it definitely is. Played it several times now just because of it. It's great that you can even internally scale the graphics with this lowlevel precise emulation. It has taken time but we've finally got it.
you forgot the biggest issue the wii U VC had ... INPUT LAG on top that the screen is absolute shit (so games look worse by itself) ... yeah, Wii U VC was just poorly handled, the input lag wasn't there on the Wii VC.
well, on pc you will have to emulate zelda, mario and metroid, but to be honest, the competition here will be horrendous for nintendo, steam if succeeds, will demolish them in mobile gaming
I'll be keeping my one around for certain exclusives like Bayo3, Dread, Smash, Kirby, Cadence, and such, but yeah. Valve is where the future is at and I'm glad to be able to embrace the glory of sweet sweet PC Gaming.
At this point I think it's fair to say that they just don't care - When a company wont even give you folders to organise all the stuff you've bought from them then this shouldn't come as s surprise.
Themes are lovely but i mean i could love without them, folders on the other hand are a must, theres no messaging, adding via friendcode is retarded. And so many other things that nintendo cant seem to figure out, is ridiculous
@@PAIN007NAGATO Sony isn't exactly doing any better in the grand scheme of things tho. They removed the ability to add funds the normal way which means they simply plan to shut down the store again in a few months. They keep censoring their games, close big name studios and making their internal japanese market angry for no apparent reason.
@@stremixx7176 I just went, and brought up a bunch of 3DS themes for my 2DSXL before the shop closes, so that should have been a day one inclusion on the Switch, a wallpaper is going to take up what 1/2 a mb of storage space, and an extra 3 secs to load up at most? Nintendo proved folders, and themes where no issues on the 2DS/3DS systems.
@@V3Efreet censoring hentai games is not anti consumer thats their choice play those games on other platforms if you want uncensored anime tiddies. paying for a shit online service and keeping launch games priced at 60 usd is anti consumer
@@fders938 no buying the games would be more profitable with paid online like all the other consoles. They did it because the work:profit ratio is better
@@GhibliNova Agreed. It would be more profitable that way, but look at different industries as a whole? Music? Subscription-based now. Movies/TV Shows? Subscription-based now. They've got to be watching Microsoft and Playstation (*cough cough* mostly Microsoft) moving towards subscription-based services and seeing MASSIVE amounts of success. They also know that subscriptions keep that consistent payment every single year, assuming they keep the value high enough for people to keep their subscriptions.
@@GhibliNova right on the nose brother, nobody wants unfinished games. Either put in the work or don't release anything. Piggy banking on nostalgia boners who could care less that Samus STILL has no proper voice lines and dialog and its literally the same with Pokémon what the Hell happened to innovation now its all about playing it safe for corporate dollars.
@@OYXOT "our core audience for pokemon is kids!" ... maybe 20 orso years ago, we don't ask for gore or swearing in pokemon, but stop treating the pokemon fanbase as kids who don't even know how to use tackle. Look at Sword and Shield, the game is so piss easy that before the 1st gym i had an fucking fully evolved starter, before the final boss i had an lvl 80+ starter, seriously gamefreak? ontop of it's just piss poor story, no voice acting and pokemon cries still being re-used for other pokes (also animations being the same) my switch will remain to eat dust, probably the biggest waste of money so far.
It really seems Nintendo wants to encourage me to look at the steam deck as the direct competitor to the switch where I can get everything that Nintendo is offering and more and still have usability after the online service is discontinued.
Great video, I agree whole heartland. I’ve seen some other videos defending Nintendo *cough Austin John Plays cough* but he just didn’t seem to understand or just didn’t want to hurt his Nintendo partnership about the lack of actual value here.
@@mikeuk666 Nintendo never drops the prices for their games and $50 for a handful of retro games is _not_ a "tiny amount". You only need to buy a couple games before you've already payed more than your would have for the base Steam Deck model. I've probably already spent well over $1000 on my Switch games. The Steam Deck is cheaper because the games actually DO go down in value. Mario Kart 8 still costs 60 fucking dollars in 2021. It shouldn't have even been $60 in the first place because it's a good damn Wii U game that came out 7 years ago.
They are doing the disney style pushing away normal customers to chase a non-existant wealthy fanboy playerbase. The basic online is abysmal and the irony is that it's a really minor component for a lot of their popular games (which is further ruined by their terrible netcodes for the few games that can actually use it). After my first free year on switch online i didn't renew it because tetris online wasn't worth 20 bucks every year and now instead of buying MHRise on switch with an added fee of 20 for online i simply wait the pc release.
Thing is, eventually Disney got Bob Iger at the head, wised up, and stepped into the modern age. I think that's a hint as to what needs to happen with Nintendo: new leadership. New blood.
@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep Looking at the Switch hardware and software sales. They're doing just fine and pre-Switch a lot of analysts were calling for them to stop making hardware and go full mobile.
@@kicapanmanis1060 Huh? I never said anything contradicting that. Disney was doing fine before Iger too. But Nintendo is squandering untapped potential right now.
This is why I'm a PC gamer almost exclusively bar my old consoles, which are modded. Console players are paying for nothing, whether a game has dedicated servers for online play is always up in the air, especially for Nintendo, which has a garbage service anyways... To call the online gaming experience on consoles mediocre is a compliment, to imply mediocrity would imply a working service.... Which they don't have. The biggest point of contention with these N64 games here is the addition of online play.... Well bucko's, buckle your seatbelts! Emulators have netplay. You can literally get the same functionality with a few friends, download emulators and have the time of your lives if that so tickles your fancy. These companies have no way of preventing consumers from seeing how empty their online services really are and how consumers know the dedicated server bullocks was a lie from the get-go. If PC can have dedicated servers with no charges, then in what world does what Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo say have any merit? Be real for a minute, you're paying for the cost of their storefront to sell digital games. Nothing more, nothing less.
Fine enough you're a PC player. That being said, no one is entitled to play illegally obtained copies of old video games, even for the novelty of online multiplayer (something Nintendo never designed the original games to do), that makes you no better than Marv from Home Alone 2, who robbed 40 cents from a Santa Claus using a duct tape covered hand, a petty thief.
@@GreyWolfLeaderTW It's not illegally obtained. You don't get arrested for downloading roms. It's distribution that's illegal. If downloading roms, music and modern titles was illegal, 90% of America would be imprisoned. But stay on your moral high horse I guess lmao
@@GreyWolfLeaderTW Nobody is entitled to play old games period. But smart people will find a way anyhow. There's no benefit of going through life worrying if a multi billion dollar corporation approves of your actions.
Short story: Nintendo charges those prices because customers will pay it anyway. So why reduce prices or deliver a better experience/more content, if people accept to pay so much for so little?
So little? We can finally play paper mario 64 and so many more classics on the go for 50 dollars. You pay 10 bucks more for playstation plus and i dont see anyone else complaining about that price tag.
Ever heard of that phrase "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" Well... If the hand is feeding you CRAP... _I ABSOLUTELY WILL BITE THAT HAND_ See, I also have a problem with the fact that it is ALL or NOTHING. You can't "choose your plan" or anything like that. So you can't JUST opt for the N64 games for example. No, MVG ya can't "try it out" for a month. Nintendo basically says "you're paying ANNUALLY or you get nothing". What a wild turn of events. Remember when Nintendo's online was _FREE_ ? Heck, Back then, I would actually defend the not so great online because waaaay back on the Wii, it was a free service. The Virtual Console was how we bought digital versions of classic games and it was a cool concept as well as the WiiWare.
" I ABSOLUTELY WILL BITE THAT HAND" - the problem is, you won't. That is EXACTLY why Nintendo get away with this shit, because Nintendo fans simply do not have the guts to tell Nintendo exactly what they think AND vote with their wallets. And so they get away with it every, single, time.
Nintendo has pretty much became the Apple of the game industry. They can completely get away with shit like this because they know most of their audience will pay without question.
I've accepted that Nintendo will always be hyper expensive. After all, there are plenty of people with fat stacks that buy anything Nintendo. You pay for the brand most of all. In one way, you can't fault Nintendo. They are doing what will make them the most money knowing what they can get away with and getting the most money is the only goal. I hate to be cynical but just a cold fact. Even in this grueling global market, there's money to be had when people are craving for that Nintendo comfort. The most we can do is put our money towards something else and think about other alternatives to our gaming, like different services and using older hardware.
It's crazy that I thought about Apple while reading this? They sort of have very similar ideals with the whole charging you whatever they feel like since they know people will pay because only them provide those services.
So this was the big plan, then? Attack ROM sites and then come out with this paltry, overpriced offering? Someone didn't learn anything from the entire Napster situation.
This makes me glad I already have all the games they are going to release on actual carts. N64 is my fav console, even have the Pikachu edition one. I also bought an everdrive x7 and literally have every N64 game now. Plus I can play ROM hacks on actual hardware! The 3ds has a better method of getting older games!
@@JohnTaylor-hr8vy ya I do love playing on virtual console but what I love even more is playing on the actual original thing. Something about it I just love.
Look, man, gamers aren't the target for this service, subscriptions in general make money from tech illiterate people: granny gives kid a Switch and see 10 games for 50 bux, while other games are 60 bux, what a steal! -> granny buys the subscription thinking it's a one time payment for all these games -> granny takes years to notice the repeated payments in her card
There’s no justification for them to charge more for this. Nintendo online is so bare and this expansion is insanely expensive. Even $5 more would’ve been too much
You said you'll try the online service for a month except... I didn't see a way to get the expansion pack service at a monthly fee; only the yearly fee. That's also something that bothered a lot of people because they aren't able to give it a try for a month to see if they like it.
On Steam, i own the whole "SEGA Mega Drive & Genesis Classics Collection" with over 50 games, including Sonic CD. It has online multiplayer, mod-support, leaderboards, multi-region ROMS, achievements, can be streamed to other devices from your PC and you can play with another Steam user who doesn't own the game by streaming them the game as well, via a feature called "Remote Play Together". For how much? Around 5 bucks. Once.
This is outright extortion on their part. They have such a paltry amount of games on their new emulation services at the moment, along with a DLC (which you can still buy and keep your data for outright for a one-time price) for a game not everyone has, yet they feel as it stands currently this is justification for them to jack the price of their online service up to more than twice the original cost. But yes Nintendo, please continue to wonder why everyone prefers to pirate your older and unavailable games. I'm sticking with my retro game emulators on my computer and not paying a single cent more than the base service...which we shouldn't even have to pay for in the first place, we didn't with the DS family of consoles, or any other proto-connection services we had in the past. Satoru Iwata himself once said this: "I don't think its reasonable to make someone pay for a game and then make them prepare a network connection and charge a monthly fee." I swear, everything that was good with Nintendo died along with Satoru Iwata.
And it got worse when Doug Bowser took over and it's sad since I was excited since he's also a Bowser fan like I am but unfortunately I found out he was the formey EA president so....no wonder Nintendo is going downhill.
@@ChaudTheGamer I wouldn't place the blame on Doug Bowser. After all, Nintendo of America is pretty much a glorified translation service for them and have little to no say in what the main offices in Japan do. They mainly just localize the games and services for American audiences. If anything, it all went downhill when Shuntaro Furukawa took over as president of Nintendo after Iwata's passing. He's the be-all end-all for all things in the company and makes all the decisions that are also to be followed by its worldwide branches.
@@TheChaosDragoness Actually, it was Tatsumi Kimishima who picked up after Iwata (RIP) and he raised the company from the grim state It was left after the Wii U flop via the Switch. Furukawa was Kimishima's successor.
@@BloodOfTartaros A revolving door of CEO-for-hires with no investment in the actual company or how it operates, just a business degree. They make harsh, cold, calculated business decisions, and when the going gets tough, they drop out, because they don't give half a rat's ass how Nintendo as a company actually fares. It's a tragic state, and unfortunately what happens to most companies when the CEO passes. Satoru should have been succeeded by some passionate developer within the company. But he never made any arrangements for that to be the case, so instead we get corporate stuffed suits. I just hope this doesn't kill Nintendo.
Discord is not an alternative, the data policy for discord is basically "we will sell all your data we can gather from you, deal with it!" That is something a lot of people are not aware of. That's also why it's a huge legal issue in Europe to use discord for anything remotely connected to a business (like streaming)
@@corkhead0 TH-cam work very differently in terms of data collection and data security. Discord is digital anarchy. YT is same as Google - not great but at least transparent!
TH-cam straight-up quashed my post about how there are no reasonable competitors to TH-cam, because aside from porn and dissent, everything is here. Not reallt many cat videos on competitor platforms.
I recently bought a used Wii U and redownloaded all of the Virtual Console games that I had before. I sold my first Wii U to get a Switch when it launched and at the time I figured the VC would be on Switch as well in no time. Hindsight is $49.99 per year.
I love retroarch in theory(I mean, who didn't like the ps3/psp os style, right?) but I can never get it running properly. I always run into issues. Might have another stab at it tonight.
Not one ounce of surprise at hearing this pricing model. Nintendo will always be synonymous with anti-consumer practices. They'll keep selling you a 30+ year old game on each new platform til the end of time.
I think it's reasonable to keep selling old games on new platforms, since there will always be people who still haven't played them yet. The problems with the way Nintendo does it now are the pricing (obviously) and the fact that they market and price rereleases (Skyward HD, NSMBU DX, MK8 DX, etc) as though they were equal to actual new games, letting them pretend to justify their fairly lackluster actual first-party output.
Even at $20 I think the need to use discord is dumb. If I’m playing a game on a console online I think it’s quite ridiculous to need a separate device and connection just for voice chat.
It shouldn't have to be that complicated. Pc, xbox, ps, stadia and etc have easily voice chat develop all the way back to 2000. I remember play CS 1.5 on pc and voice chat was already there. It's old generation. Why is it so complicated for Nintendo?
@@pessoaanonima6345 If that was integrated with the Switch, no one would have issues. Issue is there nothing on the Switch, no voice chat, no text chat, nothing.
Nintendo fighting emulation is the music industry fighting piracy before iTunes, then spotify. Not only is it free, but it's the most convenient way of experiencing older games.
Typical modern Nintendo. Take advantage of peoples' nostalgia to push a terrible subscription model and shitty N64 video emulation straight from the Wii U minus the dark filter. I'll continue to sail the seven seas with the SM64 PC Port and mupen64plus (which provide a far superior experience to Nintendo's official emulator).
Any reasonable company, and I would have said a $10 increase, which is already pushing it considering how little the service already offers to begin with, but knowing Nintendo I figured they'd bump it up by $20. Increasing it by $30 is insane, even for Nintendo.
You said you only wanted to try the expansion pack for a month to test the service, but there no option for monthly, only yearly, which is a stupid option as I think most people don't want to opt-in for a whole year, I certainly won't, I have no interest in Animal Crossing, and the Sega games are available pretty much on every emulator or subscription service anyway.
I’m at least glad more people are beginning to see Nintendo as just another greedy money grubbing game company and not an all powerful god that can do no wrong on the gaming industry
I'm also glad this has finally got more people to realize that hey, all these subscription plans everyone's offering aren't the best thing in the world after all. Corporations look out for corporations, not for consumers. They're all offering subscriptions because it makes more money for them, not because it offers consumers a good deal.
@bigdaddysmackdown Most Nintendo fans have been sick of this shit for a while. It's a vocal minority that continue to defend Nintendo, and I'm sure that group will keep getting smaller.
Remember when Sony shocked everyone by just making the PS2 backward compatible when they didn’t need to at all? Gone are the days when these companies appreciated their customers.
Fun fact the NES, SNES, Genesis and N64 games on NSO is emulation as well (probably with stolen emulation). We know Nintendo got their roms from the same websites everyone else had gone to.
Emulation is for the most part legal, the illegal part is not owning the rom you might use. All in all, it's pretty up in the air what's illegal and not illegal anyways. Do what you have to do lmao, just don't get caught I guess.
They're so greedy lol. They have those roms sitting there and didn't invest any money to bring them to the Switch, but of course they're acting like those old games are worth $50 a year.
The n64 is my favorite system of all time, grew up with it, but I don’t want to rent my games, I want to own them. Emulation or not, I would pay in a heartbeat if this was a permanent purchase and not a subscription service. I don’t use my switch online anyway, I play games with my brother and single-player stuff only. I want a real N64 mini to go with my snes mini. I sold my original 64 years ago along with a collection of all the hood games for the system, and I’ve regretted it but nowadays would play on an emulator just for the crisp image and to use new controllers. Pass…. Thanks MVG
Your money is better spent on an N64 and a flash cart, or a good N64 controller for pc so you can emulate, like you said. Nintendo is awful at redistributing their back catalog.
@@Helvetica_ScenarioI loved my real hardware dearly as a kid, but plugging one into a modern TV looks pretty rough. I was keeping one around but recently sold it because I never played it. Play the Wii Virtual Console all the time still, it has much better image quality.
@@Helvetica_Scenario The ridiculousness of Nintendo during the NES mini is what prompted me to be a Raspberry Pi. So I guess, I should thank Nintendo for that.
I could understand a slightly higher monthly cost but them charging the entire year upfront will turn a LOT of people off and just shows how detached Nintendo really is
The sad thing is I have a feeling the n64 classic edition console took a back seat for this service. Albeit, scalpers would swarm on that like no tomorrow anyway. I’d love to have these games in my cabinet for the long haul. I’ll be passing down those classic consoles in my family so my nieces and nephews can experience where video games came from.
Ehhh, I think the N64 classic wasn't something that was gonna be feasible price-wise. It's a well known fact that N64 is very difficult to emulate properly, hell even retro handhelds are just barely able to emulate the simpler N64 games (i.e. Mario 64, Mario Kart 64 etc) and those cost around $80 USD and up. It would've taken a device w/ some serious oomph to be able to properly emulate the N64, and I have no doubts that most people would not have been okay w/ shelling out $150+ for a mini N64 (although who knows, maybe I'm wrong). Not to mention the profit margins are gonna be much, much higher this way compared to the N64 mini. Not saying I agree w/ Nintendo on this one, just that unless Nintendo writes a seriously optimized N64 emulator that runs well on cheap hardware there's no way the N64 mini would've been priced decently.
For that kind of money, throw in some Game Boy+Color+Advance games. I love Animal Crossing but it's a game I kinda forgot about over time, I can always get the DLC whenever.
Man I just thought that. The blow would be softened by a lot if those consoles were at LEAST included. Hell even the 3DS had it if you were an ambassador. Nintendo has become such a crappy company…
At this point, Nintendo should make online multiplayer free and make NSO like game pass for their retro titles. Paid online is bullshit no matter how you slice it, and now they are asking double the price they are asking for N64 games? I do not feel sorry for Nintendo that people are pirating their retro library. Come on, Nintendo, you've been slowly rereleasing the same N64 games as you were on the Wii in 2007. I'm sorry, but I cannot justify spending $50 on this. Maybe if they added Game Boy, Game Boy Advance, and GameCube games to the service as well, It would be worth it, but this is just too little too late. And after four years of the switch being on the market, the best you can do is TEN GAMES? Granted, I know N64 emulation is trickier than most other retro systems, but when you look at how slow they rereleased their NES and SNES games, it's hard not to notice a pattern here. At this rate, we'll be lucky to get Luigi's Mansion by 2023, and that's assuming Nintendo doesn't release their next console by then so they start the drip feed process all over again. Nintendo has starved us of GameCube games in particular, as they haven't rereleased their amazing lineup except as HD remasters or in $60 collections that they only sell for a limited time. The GameCube is as old as the NES was when Nintendo rereleased their NES Library on the Wii virtual console, but they just refuse to rerelease their GameCube games. They've proven that GameCube emulation is more than possible on the Switch since Super Mario Sunshine in 3D All Stars is being emulated in it's entirety, with some enhancements to boot. They could be doing so much more with their amazing back catalog, but they don't. They could be rereleasing these games at a rate faster than the pace of a drunken snail, but they don't. I guess I'll be sticking to unofficial emulation for now, since Nintendo seems to be incapable of providing a better alternative.
I'll be playing Ocarina on my Wii U instead, Majora's Mask recently got an HD texture pack too. Shame Nintendo decided to encourage unofficial emulation instead of giving us a fairly priced service.
MVG you’re my favorite, if only because when you don’t like something you don’t sound like a whiny entitled man child. I wish more TH-camrs followed your example.
7:26 "I'll probably be picking up this service for one month"
ah, you see that's the magic of it. There's only 12 month plan for the expansion thing.
Was looking for this comment! yeah it’s crazy omitting the option to test out the service with a 30-day trial. You’re essentially buying into a 12-month wait-and-see. Oh, Nintendo..
@@kintypoo121 crazy to omit a free trial? They'd be crazy to include it because 99% of people wouldn't pay for it after the trial. Who would pay $50 when you got to play for 30 days already. That's enough time to beat a few games and try a few more lol.
I mean if they cared for the customers they might give you a 7 day trial or something but if they cared for the customer they would give you more than a few good games and charge way less than 2.5x the base subscription fee. I guess Nintendo is gonna Nintendo.
@@JaredConnell I don't think you understand the context. MVG said he was going to buy it for a month. Paul is saying you can't buy it for a month and trial it for 30 days, because Nintendo is no longer offering that. You buy in for a year or it's nothing. Nobody is talking about a free trial here.
Yeah, if I had to guess it's got everything to do with the 'free' DLC that's included. Nintendo doesn't want folks to be able to access that for anything less than the standalone price of $25, hence nothing other than a 12-month option for the Expansion Pack. That way you have to pay either $25 or $30 to access the DLC.
Quiet, Asian.
The worst part: when people don't upgrade because the pricing is absurd, and some nintendo business suit chalks it down to nobody being interested in N64 and Genesis.
"We were hoping to expand the Sin and Punishment IP even more with maybe a third entry in the series, but no one paid $50 to rent the N64 game, so I guess we'll just cancel all plans for future content."
I'm more worried about Nintendo, in their attempts to get more money for their online services, increasing the price of their standard services, or outright removing it to force their customers into premium membership.
Mobile phone Nintendo games were a mistake.
@@vysethegallant638 I would just cancel the service all together and go back to piracy. Damning when you consider there isn’t necessarily a fine line between a reason subscription and theft, but theft is very tempting when a subscription is criminally priced.
Nobody interested in paying them for it? Good. The sooner they give up the better.
I'm not worried about Genesis game tbh, SEGA is doing a much better job to make their games accessible.
As Gabe Newell once said - “One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue. The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.”
Except in Nintendo's case, it is a pricing and service issue. And they still can't understand why most would rather download roms and run emulators.
gabe was right i used to pirate so many movies,tv shows, and music till streaming services came out the only thing ive pirated since then is retro games and foreign/out of print movies that i cant find on streaming services
@@Zach-qs2bw and as streaming services split up and it becomes harder and more expensive to keep up with them, piracy looks more and more appealing.
What's funny is Nintendos online play is not even great. So shitty service with a couple of N64 games lol
@@Zach-qs2bw I'm calling the cops...
@@tituslafrombois1164 In some parts of the world, your streaming choice may be limited. I pirated five seasons of Miami Vice, because it never got any kind of release in Russia other than its initial airplay in 1995.
Mistakes were made indeed, probably the best thing Nintendo have done to encourage piracy.
Nintendo is a japanese company and those are notorious for being completely stuck in their ways and out of touch with any new updates on the market.
They are creative, yes, but completely "my way or the highway, we dont need you". Which is of course a horrible strategy in 2021 and not acceptable.
Meanwhile the braindead animal crossing fans are going wild over a mediocre update and paid dlc that should be free
Another reason why the switch is going to be my last nintendo console
@@AlmightyElmin It really disheartened me to see all the animal crossing fans getting excited for an update that adds pretty much everything that should've been in the base model of the game from day one, and then getting more excited about having to pay for the first piece of properly new content in the game, and even that is recycled from a spin off title on 3DS that no one played. New Horizons is a good game, but it's an abysmal animal crossing game and an even worse New Leaf successor.
I literally joked about pirating the N64 games to my friends when I saw the pricing
Shit like this, is why I CFW my day 1 switch.
All I want is a Retro Store that is guaranteed to be on every future Nintendo console. Sell me the damn games there.
but we know Nintendo dont care about us only the money and when we get something than its for limited time, virtual console games you have to buy every gen and we get on the Mario Celebration, a Collection for a half year and nintendo think they have done a good thing its was a gift for all our fans
Best retrostore is Nintendo Wii jailbreak. And better, it's free
boi do i have news for you here in the UK
store called CeX
Why would they do that? They sell you the same 'remastered' games every generation for £50... and you all keep buying them 😂
People will ask for free games cuz they paid in virtual console just like when the switch came out. I'm not defending Nintendo just calling out what happened.
For that kind of price, I'd expect them to give out the entire N64 & Sega MD library
you are crazy
@@jage6344 why? I can download both of those libraries in a matter of minutes for free.
@@jage6344 Yeaaaaaah, I'm going to have to absolutely shut you down.
First off, D.P.O is absolutely right, in this day and age, emulators, or hell, running roms on real hardware is easy AF to do.
Second, Nintendo Switch Online's pretty flawed in what it wants to achieve. When it comes to this Expansion pack, the only benefits you're getting (that can't be bought with the Basic online pack, so that crosses off the Animal Crossing DLC) is the N64 and Mega Drive games. Meaning, that is the ONLY selling point Nintendo has for it's customers, to convince them to get the expansion, that the "basic users" can't get.
Possible solutions.
1) For Expansion pack users, they have better online (voice chat, messaging, etc etc) even though these are features that every online service has in it's BAREBONES of services. Hell, Sony and Microsoft had this covered since 7th Generation.
2) Every month, they give out games for free, kinda like how PS Plus does. Giving back to the customers, maybe even convincing those customers to actually buy said game after that month's over.
3) How about some bargains for Expansion pack users? You know, make people "save" money, if they were going to buy lots of extra content for games. (The quotes are there, because ultimately you'll be spending money either way.)
But really? A couple of games from 20-30 year ago is the best they could do?
@@LtheOriginal plus, unlike with Virtual Console, NSO makes you continually pay to not own something, rather than pay once to own it.
@@LtheOriginal I don't know jack shit about netcodes, all I want is to play my damn 51 Clubhouse with my friends when I'm away. I've noticed the Switch never let's me play online through my Mobile Hotspot. I play modern FPS titles on my laptop through that same Hotspot with no latency.
>Nintendo hates modding, emulation, and piracy
>Nintendo does stuff that makes modding, emulation, and piracy the best most consumer friendly option
I think it makes you wonder if they make these decisions to get even more money for busting people that do pirate games, which is pretty scummy.
@@awesomex1031 not really.... but man corporate Japan is super out of touch just like the west....
Iwata is turning in his grave
The crazy part about the Sega Genesis collection is that you can buy an own most of those games on the Switch through the Sega Genesis Classic Collection for like less than $15 on a sale.
Lmaoooo nintendo really charging 30 dollars for roms, also i get it thst the animal crossing expansion is there, i love new horizoms and i cant wait for it but...
WHY IS IT THERE, to artificially inflate fhe price i dont want it there i will buy it separately. Its dumb
The only problem with that collection is that the games run like complete crap on it…
Even worse, like the day before they announced that on a steam sale I bought that Genesis collection, Dreamcast collection (which came with nights into dreams, a Saturn game), and the shenmue collection, all for 20 bucks. For $20 I got around 65ish games ranging from the Genesis to the Dreamcast, meanwhile Nintendo is charging $50 to have Genesis games you can already buy and 10 n64 games. If Nintendo wasn't a literal 100 year old company, maybe they would have realized that they should have just let us transfer already purchased virtual console content, or even at least do what MVG said in this video.
There was a steam sale recently where I picked up like 50 something old genesis games for like 15 cents each my currency, had already brought a few old Sonic Games but now I have a massive collection that I picked up for practically nothing.
I know SEGA can have some pretty glaring issues with some obscenely bad moments at times but damn if they don't also have some good ones too, stuff like the Ultimate Genesis Collection, Fangame ethics and fair use, their good titles like Yakuza 7, etc.
@@Sayajin3321 Technically Nights is a port of the PS2 version and not a Saturn game. Although the Saturn version is included.
I love the "Mistakes were made" title like for the security systems for older consoles, very clever
Nintendo makes their customers wait 5 years into the consoles lifecycle to charge $60 a year to play 20-30 year old games with other services others don’t want or need? The management at Nintendo is so disconnected and complacent. We shouldn’t take this anymore.
I agree, not to mention how they’ve been getting law suits about the joy cons for 5 years now and they refuse to sell an updated design. Releasing the OLED model switch that still has all of the same issues as the old console is like Nintendo just giving us the finger.
the only reason why i still got the base package (family package) is because of my little brothers, they want to play online, granted an friend also pays me a bit as compensation since he also is part of that "family"
but i'm not even touching my switch, it literally collects dust, was hyped for it, and unfortunately it underperformed for me in every way possible.
Dude, F*CK these subscriptions.
This is robbery, reselling old games? On a subscription model? Are you kidding me?
@@volvo09 Correct me if I'm wrong (never used switch online) but aren't you paying to "access" a monthly rotating library? In that case they aren't even selling licenses to technically own any of these games.
They shouldn't be making anyone pay $ for P2P netplay. Competitors have dedicated servers.
Even with my enterprise grade network I struggle to have a consistent experience on NSO.
$80 for your family to play a handful of ROMs, we all have the same thoughts on this.
You can buy the acnh dlc as a one off payment
I'm part of a full family plan with friends and $10 a year is more than fine for what's available. That single user price is ludicrous though. Imo, you need to split a family plan between at least three people before you get into the reasonable price range.
Yeah, most kids don't care enough about N64 games to beg their parents for a subscription to them.
That's why they went all out to shut down all the ROM sites.
At this point I'm 100% sure Yuzu/Ryujinx will have Switch games running at 60fps with solid net code before Nintendo figures this "online gaming" thing out.
They think it's just like their 90's frenemy relationship with Blockbuster but online.
It already does. It is purposely disabled so that Nintendo doesn't goatsie the developer.
Can't wait for the GBA+GameCube upgrade for only $99.99 a year!
Just pay an extra $29.99 and you’ll get super ultra mega turbo EX package which has sega master system and atari 2600 all for the low price of $129.99
@@retrogamer64007 And don't forgot Commodore VICE and Commodore 64 floppy and cassette emulation for ANOTHER low price!
People WILL defend it. That's the sad part.
@@maliciousbugman Don't forget Commodore Pet, 64 and Amiga! Oh and before 64 was the Vic 20! What do you think the price will be for all this?
Same
There is zero value proposition here and the value of the base plan is now reduced significantly.. I doubt they’ll release any new content on the base plan rolling forward.
They haven't put jack shit on it to begin with.
@@ioioio13 facts
My thoughts exactly.well said.
Hi Lon.
@@zviedelman9015 hello!
It’s like someone in charge is the antithesis of iwata. Like his EXACT opposite!
You mean...an EA employee?
Evil Iwata be like
Nintendo: “We don’t want people pirating our older games.”
Also Nintendo: Makes the price more than double for N64 games that are almost certainly gonna drip-feed out and you don’t even own.
Nintendo: “Why are people pirating our games?”
Nintendo: "We shut down that one ROM hosting site a few years ago, why didn't piracy stop?"
Only in the US, in Europe its just double the price from 19.90 to 39.90 and in the UK its only 34.90.
Shills: B-but it isn't right!
Maybe get a job as its a tiny amount over a year
Damn, a Rex pfp with a good opinion?
The Wii was released in 2006. It had N64 games from day 1. They cost about $5 each, one time. No subscription required. No Internet connection required except to download the game.
The Switch has taken 4 years to get just a few of these games, for $50/month with a 12-month minimum, and if I'm not mistaken they require an internet connection the entire time you play - on a handheld system.
There's simply no excusing this. It's just plain greed.
(also remember when Switch was first released and there was speculation about getting GameCube VC? lmao)
No, they don't require internet all the time you're playing, only once a month to check your membership status. But yeah, everything else is right, and the abuse from Nintendo is clearly seen with this greedy movement they did.
@@jonathanlara1297 if you go to a park and or a place of no internet connection, then all of the Nintendo Online services and their games are basically useless.
Just go and test your Switch. Turn off the internet. See if you can play a regular NES game.
Unfortunately they cost $10 at the time, $8 for SNES, and $5 for NES. But yeah, I agree with your sentiment.
But really the beauty of the Wii is how easy it was to mod and get every single VC and WiiWare game for free lol.
@@tr1bes I could still play for a month after a hacker got my account banned
Fun fact: Mario 64 was only 10 years old when the Wii launched, making it a little newer at the time than Xenoblade Chronicles is today.
Xenoblade for Switch is still $60.
My guess: The $30 price boost was decided a long time ago. The business office panicked once the marketing tests came back negative, and rather than drop the price, the ACNH DLC got thrown in last minute to save the price target and “sweeten the pot.”
It’s funny to think this is true. What a half assed attempt to sweeten the pot. This NSO update is a half assed product in general though so I guess it’s not a surprise
@@MaxOakland Don't worry there are plenty of Nintendrones out there defending this I'm sure.
Not paying for emulation when i can get a better experience through homebrew or PC
Or you can play the original 64 games.
@@johnjay370 I do that also but having a easy and inexpensive way to upscale and develop for consoles such as the N64 is great
@@johnjay370 ikr playing on the OG n64 console with everdrive probably the best and you own the system not rent on switch online service for endless 79$
@@pokiblue5870 yes 🙌
Yes... Buts thats not a official way to play games... Come on, un can join with 8 friends and its $10 per year for, Snes, Nes, SEGA Génesis, N64 and DLC and the up coming games and things... I pay no than that for Netflix in a month...
I really like how level-headed you are in general. And also Including all kinds of comparisons to similar products and services (vita/switch oled. xbox/ps/nintendo online).
Not showing any fake enthusiasm or putting ads and call to actions in your videos is a nice change of pace on this platform too.
Hope to see more videos about technicalities from your work as a gamedev :)
Yes I hate calls to action
Quick note: The DLC for Animal Crossing is also available standalone, disconnected from the service - and if you buy the standalone, you get its benefits permanently.
I believe it's been confirmed that if you stop the service you lose access to the DLC islands - which, while understandable, makes it a harder sell.
This bothers me a lot, like imagine playing the DLC for a year and working so hard on your new houses and collecting new furniture only for it all to be taken away
@@Jenny-tm3cm as I understand it, you get to keep everything you bought to your main island, but lose access to the new islands that are part of the DLC.
@@Jenny-tm3cm but yes you can lose a lot of work as customizing houses on the new islands is part of the DLC.
I love that you disliked the nintendo video that shows the pricing 😂
HE'S SUCH A HERO I CAN'T BELIEVE HE WOULD HAVE SUCH A CRAZY OPINION
We all should
Nintendo just keeps improving the value of a modded switch lol
i was unsure about getting a modded switch because I didn't know if I'd use it but I've gotten the most use I've ever had out of it after doing so
Poor people complaining about a price equal to a meal out 😆
I wish I could mod my switch lite
Dumb people mocking those who doesnt waste their money without good reason.
Indeed, now I really want to backup my games and savefiles locally, without NSO
I like how you addressed the internet speeds which is something i have yet to see anyone else do. Well done!
The Virtual Console was like, literally perfect. Even the E-Shop on the 3DS was great too with the 3D classics Nintendo and Genesis remasters. This is a crap filled disgrace… Specifically a slap in the face towards the emulation and homebrew community.
Sadly, the Virtual Console coming to the Switch died with Iwata.
Thats why I just will continue to eMMC boot to Atmosphere and use RetroArch on my 'legally dumped' roms!
@ Trace Yup. Dumping the ROM yourself is about the cleanest way to go. As long you physically own the software, as far I’ve read up on laws regarding intellectual property rights, there’s no illegality towards it.
Yeah Wii U master race. Has many Metroid games on it.
It's funny seeing people remembering the Virtual Console fondly. When it was around, everyone bitched about having to buy the same games in multiple consoles even when they had a discount for it.
With Retroarch releasing on Steam the Steam Deck is seeming more and more enticing
I didn't even relize retroarch was on steam. Thats soo cool. Im super hyped for the steam deck
The AyaNeo can even run Switch games.
So imagine the clusterfuck on a SteamDeck.
What? Please elaborate. That sounds amazing.
Don't you still need to have separate emulators for systems like GC/PSP/WiiU/PS2?
@@joannavelvet595 It means emulation on the Steam Deck is going to be very straight-forward and will require no hacking, developer/alternate OS mode, or other shenanigans. You just download RetroArch on Steam and you're ready to go.
We have three switches in our house. Both kids and mine. I love my switch lite on the go, the normal family online is a good price! There's no way however I'm paying that for a years family online plus the Mega Drive library and N64. I'll stick to my bartop arcade raspberry pi4 build for everything else. Or in the case of the Mega Drive my original 1990 unit.
It's so bad that I'm actually really considering canceling my regular recurring Switch Online subscription since I don't really use it enough and the Snes and Nes games they've added since the service launched hasn't been good at all.
Haha great, they're making people question if the recurring fee they already pay is a good value
I ain't paying my subscription next year
I'm going to let it expire. I don't use it anyway.
Joke is on them. They doubled the price for the “expansion” and I cancelled the basic service. Do better, Nintendo.
I just canceled my renewal as well because of this, was supposed to renew on the 20th of this month.
@@grype83 Same here
Just did the same.
Same here too
Same here , game pass all day
Nintendo: "You'll own nothing and be happy"
I thought Nintendo's offering was overpriced at $20/year... Absolutely abysmal infrastructure and netcode.
@retro game fan Or free like the equally primitive Wii and Wii U networks.
@@winlover37 this. I miss the free online
- no in-game voice chat updates
- no global party chat
- still uses friend codes
- no achievement like system (with rewards)
- no updates to download/upload rates
- no custom "home" themes
Nintendo: let's increase the price!
@@winlover37 Or like the 3DS
Nintendo switch online base service should be free. I mean its laggy, P2P is prevalent and has friend codes in 2021, I could go on, but those few things say it all. Steam deck and RetroArch is going to be the way to go and will run and look better. Like Gaben said, it's a service problem why people pirate games and this is the case here.
Nothing changed before and after Nintendo implemented a subscription service. It used to be free but they decided they'll charge money for it but added nothing of value, cloud saves aren't universal and online is still bad.
The truth is Nintendo started charging switch online so they can get money to improve the servers which would take years, so basically yall are "paying beta testers" for 4.5 years
@@khaledm.1476 And at this point it looks like they took the money and put it to the management and investors.
@@S41t4r4 My guess is they took the money to upgrade the online infrastructure so they can triple the cost of the subscription using the money of switch online members.
Basically switch online members are building good online for nintendo so they can pay more. Noone will bat an eye if Nintendo changes switch online to 60$ if they actually have good online, even if that good online was built on the backs of switch online members for 5-6 years
@@khaledm.1476 Nah... They simply started to charge, because the others did. Added some NES games nobody wants to play these days... SNES games didn't change nothing for me. It's a lame, featureless service, I'm not buying it for 20$ and certainly won't for 50$...
No, people pirate games because they're greedy and don't want to go through whatever hassle is out there between them and legitimate copies of the game.
If you don't want to pay the price for the product/service, don't buy it. But with the choice of not buying it, you have to take the consequence that you don't get to play the games in a convenient fashion. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
Pirating the game only tells the company that there *IS* an actual market for their game, they just need to get more aggressive cracking down on pirates.
That $80 for the family plan is ridiculous
Iam pretty sure that this will spark plan sharing, where up to 8 random people pay 10 bucks for one plan getting all the benefits.
@@CathrineMacNiel you haven't uave that there? In my country game stores manages family plans and charged $7-$9 for a family membership slot. I managed a family membership for $5 for anyone who wants to join my family group.
It seems I would have to raise the price for $12.5 for next year.
@@goonerOZZ well, i never actually sought that avenue out yet, so I don't know if that is already a thing where I live.
"Nintendo needs to upgrade the infrastructure..."
And actually have a substantial library of games that use the online service beyond a novelty.
But, people are going to pay this price; even though they don't like it. And that means Nintendo will NOT change their plans.
The only way Nintendo will see that they have gone too far is if absolutely no one opts for the upgrade.
And that's not going to happen because of all the dedicated fanboys and fangirls that are willing to throw all their money at Nintendo.
I’m not going to. $5 more would’ve been too much. This is just hilarious
If we are gonna paying 50 for the service, then forget retro systems we want current gen free games like psn ad xbox live gold.
Yea you do! Nintendo are shafting their fans.
Nintendo: that would be 60 extra dollars
Exactly! At $50-$60 a year, people expect Nintendo to compete with Sony & Microsoft's offerings. But no, Nintendo just wants to do things their way, and their rabid brain dead fans will continue defending such anti-consumer practices.
This has actually made me cancel my basic service. It put it all into perspective and I didn't like what I see. Good job Nintendo.
Same here
Same, vote with your money.
They killed the deal when they showed that ex-PAL regions will receive 50hz versions of games. F-zero X at 50hz? Nobody deserves that, let alone for that premium.
Actually they stated both pal and 60hz versions will be available for what it’s worth.
@@timmy3822 I'd like to see that, curious nevertheless
Nintendo was doing cooler things with online back in 2012 on the Wii U than they are in 2021 on the Switch.
And that was all free.
@@chana_sla and on the Wii U
@@chana_sla wasn’t it like 50 cents for Miiverse?
@@damian9303 no
Wii U is looking good now
"$35 for the entire N64 library seems reasonable..."
"Oh, just 10 games? No thanks"
Any additional titles coming?
Per year guys, remember. Just buy an old N64 with those games and keep them forever.
@@NightcoreClips_ yes
@@lynnjameslange6098 ok
9 games. If it was 20/25 games, sure.
I'd happily pay for the games I actually wanted. When the Switch was first announced I thought it could be amazing for retro games. Thought it was great when the NES and especially SNES games were added, despite a slow drip feed of a few games. It's too steep a price for something I don't use that much, I wouldn't mind if it were a small increase for just N64 games.
I certainly won't be paying extra for online in general, let alone for N64 games.
If Nintendo wants to release an N64 mini I'll buy it.
Are you my cousin? Also I agree with what you said. Bring back the virtual console...wait it still works on the last gen consoles from Nintendo 🙄
Hm pay $30 for a collection of games that'll grow over time, or pay $100 for a niche console with only two controllers and a collection of games that will remain stagnant. You guys are outraged as if you don't already pay for NSO and also pay max price for 4 year old games.
@@RichieAnthonyGuitar If it were $30 a year, it would hardly be an issue. Compared to NSO at $20, the extra 10 tacked on would even be a somewhat decent deal considering DLC will occasionally be included with the service. But it's not. It's $50.
@@cieuxlux9617 You must want them to give you DLC for free, which they aren't gonna do lol
That's the thing
They released this so there's no need for N64 mini
Hahaha!
"-A disconnect between Nintendo & the consumer."
You don't say. 😂 Like I've felt for basically 15 years.
I feel like the only nintendo people that are somewhat connected to the customers are the game devs, which is kinda weird.
Yes. Nintendo always had questionable practices but since Wii, something is really wrong.
There's been a disconnect since Nintendo pushed cartridges during the N64 era.
@@JGLCSW The N64 cartridge choice is not as anti-consumer as it seems tho, an N64 cartridge has a minimum data bandwidth of 5MiB per second and 50 at peak while competitors such as Playstation's disc has a bandwidth of about 300kb/sec with relatively high latency. Considering that N64 is Nintendo's first 3D console, the choice of cartridge is actually acceptable. No loading screen is a unique feature of N64 games and many titles would suffer if a CD-ROM format is used...
I grew up with Sony and Xbox and I've had a stink eye on Nintendo since first getting into them with Skyward Sword for the Wii a few years after the Wii's lifecycle. It was still selling for 60$ CAD which I grinned at.
Then to find that the Metrood Prime trilogy was only produced for 4 months in order to make it into some collectors item, with prices at a few hundred dollars.
You can buy the Metroid prime trilogy on Wii U part of Wii VC
I was pretty excited when I found out about the Expansion Pack because I grew up playing on the Nintendo 64. At that price, though, you're probably better off just emulating anyway. Also, emulation gives me the option to put high-res textures on old games to make them look a little better and I must say that Nintendo isn't doing anything to help its case.
Agreed, thats why im sticking to emulation. They are completely defeating the purpose of us not relying on emulators, anybody who buys this crap are just plain suckers
@@ArchangelRG09 hell I even emulate all my nes/snes/n64/Sega games on my switch. I have retroarch on my modded switch since 2018.
@@randybobandy9828 wont that get you banned from online? I only say that cause im a pokemon trader lol
@@ArchangelRG09 I don't go online with that switch. I have another switch for online games.
I find that the texture packs are very good and I have no reason going back to 90s graphics and paying again for the games I already own. I got a 64 Drive years ago when it first came out, but I still prefer emulation and Hi-res texture packs over original hardware. Emulation is all I do for old games now with the exception of my PSOne, Saturn and Dreamcast which will likely change when I build a mini PC for emulation of old systems but now in 4k like with Duckstation.
As a Switch Lite owner I've had zero issues paying the $20 a year for their online service, but $50 in the current economy is highway robbery not to mention everything else you have said, I could not have said it better myself. This just makes my love/hate relationship with Nintendo even stronger, and I'm so glad the STEAM Deck is coming out as an alternative.
Sadly people are still going to be going crazy over Nintendo and defending them even after the Steam deck releases.
You had zero issues paying for P2P? Nintendo does not have dedicated servers for online play
Your $20/year is for NES/SNES games
@eric Spencer yeah, N64 emulation has been around for awhile. Was able to play OoT on my Win95 PC back in 2000-2001.
Link's green costume was white with VIA graphics, but other than that completely playable on Project64 1.4 😂
Never beat Ganon though, had a BSOD and lost my filesystem. No journaling on 95 :/
@@1yaz where in my comment did I say word for word anything about P2P? Also yes I enjoyed the NES and SNES games, and cloud save feature, so I know exactly what I am paying for!
if steam deck has enough power to run yuzu/ryujinx switch emulators it could pretty much replace the switch entirely.
"This pricing really shows a disconnect between Nintendo and the expectations of what the consumers are willing to pay"
This has been Nintendo for the past decade. Its hard to find a game on sale for the switch and its probably why switch owners are turning to piracy.
A final nail in the coffin would be if the N64 emulation is the same level as the one on Wii U because it had lots of visual bugs, even disregarding the darkening filter. Paper Mario is actually a great way to test how good the emulation is because of all the different effects that just recently became correctly emulated on PC through angrylion and parallel rdp. Ex. Lightning attacks, attract mode, polygon gaps/misplacements etc.
Edit: And Paper Mario actually had several regressions in the accuracy of its emulation when comparing Wii U to Wii, which says a lot. There were also improvements, I believe. Stating this just so I seem less biased.
Based on the trailer, it's exactly the same poor emulation as the Wii U minus the weird dark filter. The HUD elements are still blurry and not displaying correctly.
Paper Mario got fixed on PC? Sounds like a good excuse to play it again
@@TheBaxes it definitely is. Played it several times now just because of it. It's great that you can even internally scale the graphics with this lowlevel precise emulation. It has taken time but we've finally got it.
you forgot the biggest issue the wii U VC had ... INPUT LAG
on top that the screen is absolute shit (so games look worse by itself) ... yeah, Wii U VC was just poorly handled, the input lag wasn't there on the Wii VC.
@@Hmbs271 what emulator should I use? I only knew Project64 so I don't know what emulator is currently the most developed
Nintendo have about a year left. Then it's on to the Steam Deck, and i'll probably never look back.
I am very happy with my AyaNeo.
Still, I won't ditch my Switch any time soon.
Yeah you, but rest of Nintendo fans? Don't think so
well, on pc you will have to emulate zelda, mario and metroid, but to be honest, the competition here will be horrendous for nintendo, steam if succeeds, will demolish them in mobile gaming
@@gwynbleidd8863 Yeah, some of them are like Apple fanboys. They would justify absolutely anything their favorite company does.
I'll be keeping my one around for certain exclusives like Bayo3, Dread, Smash, Kirby, Cadence, and such, but yeah.
Valve is where the future is at and I'm glad to be able to embrace the glory of sweet sweet PC Gaming.
Why pay for games I don't own when I can find the ROMs or physical games to keep forever?
At this point I think it's fair to say that they just don't care - When a company wont even give you folders to organise all the stuff you've bought from them then this shouldn't come as s surprise.
Themes are lovely but i mean i could love without them, folders on the other hand are a must, theres no messaging, adding via friendcode is retarded. And so many other things that nintendo cant seem to figure out, is ridiculous
meanwhile sony drops the price of Horizon+ keeps ps3 store open , allows crossplay i think nintendo fanboys arent demanding better
@@PAIN007NAGATO Sony isn't exactly doing any better in the grand scheme of things tho.
They removed the ability to add funds the normal way which means they simply plan to shut down the store again in a few months.
They keep censoring their games, close big name studios and making their internal japanese market angry for no apparent reason.
@@stremixx7176 I just went, and brought up a bunch of 3DS themes for my 2DSXL before the shop closes, so that should have been a day one inclusion on the Switch, a wallpaper is going to take up what 1/2 a mb of storage space, and an extra 3 secs to load up at most? Nintendo proved folders, and themes where no issues on the 2DS/3DS systems.
@@V3Efreet censoring hentai games is not anti consumer thats their choice play those games on other platforms if you want uncensored anime tiddies. paying for a shit online service and keeping launch games priced at 60 usd is anti consumer
It's an old bone to pick, but ultimately they really should have just given the Wii U menu a 'switch' coat of paint, and kept the Virtual Console.
But that would be less profitable than a subscription model!
@@fders938 no buying the games would be more profitable with paid online like all the other consoles. They did it because the work:profit ratio is better
@@GhibliNova Agreed. It would be more profitable that way, but look at different industries as a whole? Music? Subscription-based now. Movies/TV Shows? Subscription-based now. They've got to be watching Microsoft and Playstation (*cough cough* mostly Microsoft) moving towards subscription-based services and seeing MASSIVE amounts of success. They also know that subscriptions keep that consistent payment every single year, assuming they keep the value high enough for people to keep their subscriptions.
@@GhibliNova right on the nose brother, nobody wants unfinished games. Either put in the work or don't release anything. Piggy banking on nostalgia boners who could care less that Samus STILL has no proper voice lines and dialog and its literally the same with Pokémon what the Hell happened to innovation now its all about playing it safe for corporate dollars.
@@OYXOT "our core audience for pokemon is kids!" ... maybe 20 orso years ago, we don't ask for gore or swearing in pokemon, but stop treating the pokemon fanbase as kids who don't even know how to use tackle.
Look at Sword and Shield, the game is so piss easy that before the 1st gym i had an fucking fully evolved starter, before the final boss i had an lvl 80+ starter, seriously gamefreak? ontop of it's just piss poor story, no voice acting and pokemon cries still being re-used for other pokes (also animations being the same)
my switch will remain to eat dust, probably the biggest waste of money so far.
This has more likes than Nintendo’s announcement. Congrats!!
It really seems Nintendo wants to encourage me to look at the steam deck as the direct competitor to the switch where I can get everything that Nintendo is offering and more and still have usability after the online service is discontinued.
This is how you drive people back to emulation.
Or get a job
@@mikeuk666 or choose the objectively better option to have more customisation and freedom
@@mikeuk666 or not be a braindead bootlicker and use the free version instead
@@DGP406 you can't argue with a nintendo fanboy.. UK Mike is trying to hard
@@mikeuk666 Listen man, I used to be just like you, until I actually tried emulation and never went back.
Great video, I agree whole heartland. I’ve seen some other videos defending Nintendo *cough Austin John Plays cough* but he just didn’t seem to understand or just didn’t want to hurt his Nintendo partnership about the lack of actual value here.
Switch may be cheaper than a Steam Deck but damn, the yearly service will add up very quickly.
It's a tiny amount over 12 months
You get more value on Steam Deck than the Switch.
is really cheaper? stem base is like 400, try to find a oled switch at that price
@@arch1107 It's true that the Switch is cheaper upfront. However in long term use, the Deck is much cheaper than the Switch.
@@mikeuk666 Nintendo never drops the prices for their games and $50 for a handful of retro games is _not_ a "tiny amount". You only need to buy a couple games before you've already payed more than your would have for the base Steam Deck model. I've probably already spent well over $1000 on my Switch games. The Steam Deck is cheaper because the games actually DO go down in value. Mario Kart 8 still costs 60 fucking dollars in 2021. It shouldn't have even been $60 in the first place because it's a good damn Wii U game that came out 7 years ago.
This is yet another proof that the relationship between Nintendo and the words "online" and "old games preservation" is problematic.
For this amount of money I want something big, like saving Marin from being trapped as a seagull forever .
They are doing the disney style pushing away normal customers to chase a non-existant wealthy fanboy playerbase.
The basic online is abysmal and the irony is that it's a really minor component for a lot of their popular games (which is further ruined by their terrible netcodes for the few games that can actually use it).
After my first free year on switch online i didn't renew it because tetris online wasn't worth 20 bucks every year and now instead of buying MHRise on switch with an added fee of 20 for online i simply wait the pc release.
You my man, are a correctly informed person capable of taking correct decisions. Wish the majority of the nintendo fanbase were like you...
You underestimate the Nintendo bootlickers. Look at Twitter they're out in full force.
Thing is, eventually Disney got Bob Iger at the head, wised up, and stepped into the modern age. I think that's a hint as to what needs to happen with Nintendo: new leadership. New blood.
@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep Looking at the Switch hardware and software sales. They're doing just fine and pre-Switch a lot of analysts were calling for them to stop making hardware and go full mobile.
@@kicapanmanis1060 Huh? I never said anything contradicting that. Disney was doing fine before Iger too. But Nintendo is squandering untapped potential right now.
This is why I'm a PC gamer almost exclusively bar my old consoles, which are modded. Console players are paying for nothing, whether a game has dedicated servers for online play is always up in the air, especially for Nintendo, which has a garbage service anyways... To call the online gaming experience on consoles mediocre is a compliment, to imply mediocrity would imply a working service.... Which they don't have.
The biggest point of contention with these N64 games here is the addition of online play.... Well bucko's, buckle your seatbelts! Emulators have netplay. You can literally get the same functionality with a few friends, download emulators and have the time of your lives if that so tickles your fancy.
These companies have no way of preventing consumers from seeing how empty their online services really are and how consumers know the dedicated server bullocks was a lie from the get-go. If PC can have dedicated servers with no charges, then in what world does what Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo say have any merit? Be real for a minute, you're paying for the cost of their storefront to sell digital games. Nothing more, nothing less.
Online gaming should be free just like the PC.
@@pokiblue5870 Yes, very much so.
Fine enough you're a PC player. That being said, no one is entitled to play illegally obtained copies of old video games, even for the novelty of online multiplayer (something Nintendo never designed the original games to do), that makes you no better than Marv from Home Alone 2, who robbed 40 cents from a Santa Claus using a duct tape covered hand, a petty thief.
@@GreyWolfLeaderTW It's not illegally obtained. You don't get arrested for downloading roms. It's distribution that's illegal.
If downloading roms, music and modern titles was illegal, 90% of America would be imprisoned.
But stay on your moral high horse I guess lmao
@@GreyWolfLeaderTW Nobody is entitled to play old games period. But smart people will find a way anyhow. There's no benefit of going through life worrying if a multi billion dollar corporation approves of your actions.
Short story: Nintendo charges those prices because customers will pay it anyway. So why reduce prices or deliver a better experience/more content, if people accept to pay so much for so little?
So little? We can finally play paper mario 64 and so many more classics on the go for 50 dollars. You pay 10 bucks more for playstation plus and i dont see anyone else complaining about that price tag.
Ever heard of that phrase "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" Well... If the hand is feeding you CRAP... _I ABSOLUTELY WILL BITE THAT HAND_
See, I also have a problem with the fact that it is ALL or NOTHING. You can't "choose your plan" or anything like that. So you can't JUST opt for the N64 games for example.
No, MVG ya can't "try it out" for a month. Nintendo basically says "you're paying ANNUALLY or you get nothing". What a wild turn of events.
Remember when Nintendo's online was _FREE_ ? Heck, Back then, I would actually defend the not so great online because waaaay back on the Wii, it was a free service. The Virtual Console was how we bought digital versions of classic games and it was a cool concept as well as the WiiWare.
You ever see that one episode of South Park where they try to talk to the cable companies?
" I ABSOLUTELY WILL BITE THAT HAND" - the problem is, you won't. That is EXACTLY why Nintendo get away with this shit, because Nintendo fans simply do not have the guts to tell Nintendo exactly what they think AND vote with their wallets. And so they get away with it every, single, time.
Nintendo doesn't feed us. They provide value and we pay for it, or not. I see it the other way around easily.
@@RottenMuLoT exactly they're nothing without us
It's amazing how totally out of touch Nintendo is with this part of their audience. Baffling.
They have loyal sheep that spend absurd amounts of dollars. Whales.
Nintendo has pretty much became the Apple of the game industry. They can completely get away with shit like this because they know most of their audience will pay without question.
I've accepted that Nintendo will always be hyper expensive. After all, there are plenty of people with fat stacks that buy anything Nintendo. You pay for the brand most of all. In one way, you can't fault Nintendo. They are doing what will make them the most money knowing what they can get away with and getting the most money is the only goal. I hate to be cynical but just a cold fact. Even in this grueling global market, there's money to be had when people are craving for that Nintendo comfort. The most we can do is put our money towards something else and think about other alternatives to our gaming, like different services and using older hardware.
It's crazy that I thought about Apple while reading this? They sort of have very similar ideals with the whole charging you whatever they feel like since they know people will pay because only them provide those services.
At this price I would like access to every first party DLC that has been released. Not just AC
So this was the big plan, then? Attack ROM sites and then come out with this paltry, overpriced offering? Someone didn't learn anything from the entire Napster situation.
I had a feeling when they first announced it and didn’t mention the pricing was that they were afraid of the immediate backlash
This makes me glad I already have all the games they are going to release on actual carts. N64 is my fav console, even have the Pikachu edition one. I also bought an everdrive x7 and literally have every N64 game now. Plus I can play ROM hacks on actual hardware! The 3ds has a better method of getting older games!
I absolutely love the Nintendo 64 and still play it regularly to this day. I just got to get my hands on an everdrive.
3ds online shop is well better then the switch.
Wii U too. Has all Metroid games except new 3ds and switch one of course
@@JohnTaylor-hr8vy ya I do love playing on virtual console but what I love even more is playing on the actual original thing. Something about it I just love.
Look, man, gamers aren't the target for this service, subscriptions in general make money from tech illiterate people: granny gives kid a Switch and see 10 games for 50 bux, while other games are 60 bux, what a steal! -> granny buys the subscription thinking it's a one time payment for all these games -> granny takes years to notice the repeated payments in her card
Scumbag Nintendo knows what they are doing for sure
XD poor granny
Better off buying kids an android tablet. Where the slimy pricing schemes are easier to spot
There’s no justification for them to charge more for this. Nintendo online is so bare and this expansion is insanely expensive. Even $5 more would’ve been too much
You said you'll try the online service for a month except... I didn't see a way to get the expansion pack service at a monthly fee; only the yearly fee. That's also something that bothered a lot of people because they aren't able to give it a try for a month to see if they like it.
When nintendo drops the ball they make sure it's embedded on the floor.
its a Lead filled Titanium Ball thats gone though every floor of a 5 story house, and is burred 12 feet under the basement floor.
On Steam, i own the whole "SEGA Mega Drive & Genesis Classics Collection" with over 50 games, including Sonic CD.
It has online multiplayer, mod-support, leaderboards, multi-region ROMS, achievements, can be streamed to other devices from your PC and you can play with another Steam user who doesn't own the game by streaming them the game as well, via a feature called "Remote Play Together".
For how much? Around 5 bucks. Once.
This is outright extortion on their part. They have such a paltry amount of games on their new emulation services at the moment, along with a DLC (which you can still buy and keep your data for outright for a one-time price) for a game not everyone has, yet they feel as it stands currently this is justification for them to jack the price of their online service up to more than twice the original cost.
But yes Nintendo, please continue to wonder why everyone prefers to pirate your older and unavailable games. I'm sticking with my retro game emulators on my computer and not paying a single cent more than the base service...which we shouldn't even have to pay for in the first place, we didn't with the DS family of consoles, or any other proto-connection services we had in the past. Satoru Iwata himself once said this:
"I don't think its reasonable to make someone pay for a game and then make them prepare a network connection and charge a monthly fee."
I swear, everything that was good with Nintendo died along with Satoru Iwata.
And it got worse when Doug Bowser took over and it's sad since I was excited since he's also a Bowser fan like I am but unfortunately I found out he was the formey EA president so....no wonder Nintendo is going downhill.
@@ChaudTheGamer I wouldn't place the blame on Doug Bowser. After all, Nintendo of America is pretty much a glorified translation service for them and have little to no say in what the main offices in Japan do. They mainly just localize the games and services for American audiences. If anything, it all went downhill when Shuntaro Furukawa took over as president of Nintendo after Iwata's passing. He's the be-all end-all for all things in the company and makes all the decisions that are also to be followed by its worldwide branches.
@@TheChaosDragoness Actually, it was Tatsumi Kimishima who picked up after Iwata (RIP) and he raised the company from the grim state It was left after the Wii U flop via the Switch. Furukawa was Kimishima's successor.
@@BloodOfTartaros Ah, okay. Sometimes it makes me wonder what state Nintendo would be in if Iwata was still alive today...
@@BloodOfTartaros A revolving door of CEO-for-hires with no investment in the actual company or how it operates, just a business degree. They make harsh, cold, calculated business decisions, and when the going gets tough, they drop out, because they don't give half a rat's ass how Nintendo as a company actually fares. It's a tragic state, and unfortunately what happens to most companies when the CEO passes.
Satoru should have been succeeded by some passionate developer within the company. But he never made any arrangements for that to be the case, so instead we get corporate stuffed suits. I just hope this doesn't kill Nintendo.
Discord is not an alternative, the data policy for discord is basically "we will sell all your data we can gather from you, deal with it!"
That is something a lot of people are not aware of.
That's also why it's a huge legal issue in Europe to use discord for anything remotely connected to a business (like streaming)
You might want to get off TH-cam then
@@corkhead0 TH-cam work very differently in terms of data collection and data security.
Discord is digital anarchy.
YT is same as Google - not great but at least transparent!
TH-cam straight-up quashed my post about how there are no reasonable competitors to TH-cam, because aside from porn and dissent, everything is here.
Not reallt many cat videos on competitor platforms.
I recently bought a used Wii U and redownloaded all of the Virtual Console games that I had before. I sold my first Wii U to get a Switch when it launched and at the time I figured the VC would be on Switch as well in no time. Hindsight is $49.99 per year.
I'll just stick to Retroarch, beautifully displayed with a crt-easymode shader, thank you very much Nintendo.
Please help me to install that shader!
I love retroarch in theory(I mean, who didn't like the ps3/psp os style, right?) but I can never get it running properly. I always run into issues. Might have another stab at it tonight.
@@pmurph1 What kind of issue man?
@@jesusbaldomerovizcarravald9579 It’s built-in, you just have to turn it on
@@Melonposting thx bro!! Or Sis!!
Really great analysis of this situation thank you. Glad I discovered your channel.
Not one ounce of surprise at hearing this pricing model. Nintendo will always be synonymous with anti-consumer practices. They'll keep selling you a 30+ year old game on each new platform til the end of time.
I think it's reasonable to keep selling old games on new platforms, since there will always be people who still haven't played them yet. The problems with the way Nintendo does it now are the pricing (obviously) and the fact that they market and price rereleases (Skyward HD, NSMBU DX, MK8 DX, etc) as though they were equal to actual new games, letting them pretend to justify their fairly lackluster actual first-party output.
Even at $20 I think the need to use discord is dumb. If I’m playing a game on a console online I think it’s quite ridiculous to need a separate device and connection just for voice chat.
It shouldn't have to be that complicated. Pc, xbox, ps, stadia and etc have easily voice chat develop all the way back to 2000. I remember play CS 1.5 on pc and voice chat was already there. It's old generation. Why is it so complicated for Nintendo?
Just integrate discord with the switch
@@pessoaanonima6345 If that was integrated with the Switch, no one would have issues.
Issue is there nothing on the Switch, no voice chat, no text chat, nothing.
@@tr1bes Funny thing is they already had it on the NDS and NDSi. You could voice chat in Pokémon Black & White.
The problem is that switch doesn't have a microphone, even if they added support, you would need a headphone
Nintendo fighting emulation is the music industry fighting piracy before iTunes, then spotify. Not only is it free, but it's the most convenient way of experiencing older games.
Typical modern Nintendo. Take advantage of peoples' nostalgia to push a terrible subscription model and shitty N64 video emulation straight from the Wii U minus the dark filter. I'll continue to sail the seven seas with the SM64 PC Port and mupen64plus (which provide a far superior experience to Nintendo's official emulator).
I'll just emulate all my n64 games ON my switch directly. Including all the other retro consoles.
Emulators on Android FTW.
Mupen is the worst of them tbh.
Unless we're speaking android.
Bought my house for 300k but the garage 'Expansion' was 2.5 billion, thanks Nintendo for the inspiration.
Any reasonable company, and I would have said a $10 increase, which is already pushing it considering how little the service already offers to begin with, but knowing Nintendo I figured they'd bump it up by $20. Increasing it by $30 is insane, even for Nintendo.
You said you only wanted to try the expansion pack for a month to test the service, but there no option for monthly, only yearly, which is a stupid option as I think most people don't want to opt-in for a whole year, I certainly won't, I have no interest in Animal Crossing, and the Sega games are available pretty much on every emulator or subscription service anyway.
There was also Sega Genesis Classics which even got a cartridge release
I like that you didn't use any acoustic annoyances for this one.
My ears are thankful.
I’m at least glad more people are beginning to see Nintendo as just another greedy money grubbing game company and not an all powerful god that can do no wrong on the gaming industry
I'm also glad this has finally got more people to realize that hey, all these subscription plans everyone's offering aren't the best thing in the world after all.
Corporations look out for corporations, not for consumers. They're all offering subscriptions because it makes more money for them, not because it offers consumers a good deal.
@bigdaddysmackdown i spend more on a meal out 😆 ask for more pocket money kid
@bigdaddysmackdown Most Nintendo fans have been sick of this shit for a while. It's a vocal minority that continue to defend Nintendo, and I'm sure that group will keep getting smaller.
@@mikeuk666 Stealing your mom's credit card doesn't count kid. People with actual jobs wants actual value for their money.
At this rate they'll make it $100 a year, if or when they add Gamecube and GBA games to it.
Remember when Sony shocked everyone by just making the PS2 backward compatible when they didn’t need to at all? Gone are the days when these companies appreciated their customers.
It's moves like this that make me perfectly ok with emulation.
Fun fact the NES, SNES, Genesis and N64 games on NSO is emulation as well (probably with stolen emulation).
We know Nintendo got their roms from the same websites everyone else had gone to.
@@lukasperuzovic1429 wait why dont they just recompile their games? They have the source!
@@Leonard.L.Church No they don't.
Most of the source code to all these games are long since lost.
Emulation is for the most part legal, the illegal part is not owning the rom you might use. All in all, it's pretty up in the air what's illegal and not illegal anyways. Do what you have to do lmao, just don't get caught I guess.
They're so greedy lol. They have those roms sitting there and didn't invest any money to bring them to the Switch, but of course they're acting like those old games are worth $50 a year.
Someone has to made the damn video and post it on the YT for the voice of the common gamer to be heard ... Thanks MVG for posting about this topic.
The n64 is my favorite system of all time, grew up with it, but I don’t want to rent my games, I want to own them. Emulation or not, I would pay in a heartbeat if this was a permanent purchase and not a subscription service. I don’t use my switch online anyway, I play games with my brother and single-player stuff only. I want a real N64 mini to go with my snes mini. I sold my original 64 years ago along with a collection of all the hood games for the system, and I’ve regretted it but nowadays would play on an emulator just for the crisp image and to use new controllers.
Pass….
Thanks MVG
People who grew up in the n64 now all have careers, disposable income and nostalgia. It’s the prefect storm and will do well
Your money is better spent on an N64 and a flash cart, or a good N64 controller for pc so you can emulate, like you said. Nintendo is awful at redistributing their back catalog.
@@FallicIdol But a recurring fee for nostalgia is a big ask. People who grew up with the N64 also have jobs and kids to take up their time.
@@Helvetica_ScenarioI loved my real hardware dearly as a kid, but plugging one into a modern TV looks pretty rough. I was keeping one around but recently sold it because I never played it. Play the Wii Virtual Console all the time still, it has much better image quality.
@@Helvetica_Scenario The ridiculousness of Nintendo during the NES mini is what prompted me to be a Raspberry Pi. So I guess, I should thank Nintendo for that.
I could understand a slightly higher monthly cost but them charging the entire year upfront will turn a LOT of people off and just shows how detached Nintendo really is
I don’t think that aspect matters since every subscription model elsewhere has a cheaper price annually compared to monthly.
Nah dude. Their service was already overpriced at 20$. I think the smart okay would hav been to not charge any extra at all.
The sad thing is I have a feeling the n64 classic edition console took a back seat for this service. Albeit, scalpers would swarm on that like no tomorrow anyway. I’d love to have these games in my cabinet for the long haul. I’ll be passing down those classic consoles in my family so my nieces and nephews can experience where video games came from.
Ehhh, I think the N64 classic wasn't something that was gonna be feasible price-wise. It's a well known fact that N64 is very difficult to emulate properly, hell even retro handhelds are just barely able to emulate the simpler N64 games (i.e. Mario 64, Mario Kart 64 etc) and those cost around $80 USD and up. It would've taken a device w/ some serious oomph to be able to properly emulate the N64, and I have no doubts that most people would not have been okay w/ shelling out $150+ for a mini N64 (although who knows, maybe I'm wrong). Not to mention the profit margins are gonna be much, much higher this way compared to the N64 mini. Not saying I agree w/ Nintendo on this one, just that unless Nintendo writes a seriously optimized N64 emulator that runs well on cheap hardware there's no way the N64 mini would've been priced decently.
For that kind of money, throw in some Game Boy+Color+Advance games. I love Animal Crossing but it's a game I kinda forgot about over time, I can always get the DLC whenever.
Man I just thought that. The blow would be softened by a lot if those consoles were at LEAST included. Hell even the 3DS had it if you were an ambassador. Nintendo has become such a crappy company…
@@EenGamertjeNL Some have speculated that the high price comes from sega licensing, which I can agree might honestly be the case.
At this point, Nintendo should make online multiplayer free and make NSO like game pass for their retro titles. Paid online is bullshit no matter how you slice it, and now they are asking double the price they are asking for N64 games? I do not feel sorry for Nintendo that people are pirating their retro library. Come on, Nintendo, you've been slowly rereleasing the same N64 games as you were on the Wii in 2007. I'm sorry, but I cannot justify spending $50 on this. Maybe if they added Game Boy, Game Boy Advance, and GameCube games to the service as well, It would be worth it, but this is just too little too late. And after four years of the switch being on the market, the best you can do is TEN GAMES? Granted, I know N64 emulation is trickier than most other retro systems, but when you look at how slow they rereleased their NES and SNES games, it's hard not to notice a pattern here.
At this rate, we'll be lucky to get Luigi's Mansion by 2023, and that's assuming Nintendo doesn't release their next console by then so they start the drip feed process all over again. Nintendo has starved us of GameCube games in particular, as they haven't rereleased their amazing lineup except as HD remasters or in $60 collections that they only sell for a limited time. The GameCube is as old as the NES was when Nintendo rereleased their NES Library on the Wii virtual console, but they just refuse to rerelease their GameCube games. They've proven that GameCube emulation is more than possible on the Switch since Super Mario Sunshine in 3D All Stars is being emulated in it's entirety, with some enhancements to boot. They could be doing so much more with their amazing back catalog, but they don't. They could be rereleasing these games at a rate faster than the pace of a drunken snail, but they don't.
I guess I'll be sticking to unofficial emulation for now, since Nintendo seems to be incapable of providing a better alternative.
psvita in 2012 : OLED, bluetooth, vocal and text chat, internet navigator, music and video app, back-compat with psp game.
Switch in 2021 :OLED.
I'll be playing Ocarina on my Wii U instead, Majora's Mask recently got an HD texture pack too.
Shame Nintendo decided to encourage unofficial emulation instead of giving us a fairly priced service.
You trying to tell me...you can play OoT on WiiU with that abysmal Input delay?
props to you Sir.
@@LaCazaLP I don't know what you're talking about, there's no noticeable input delay for me.
And if there is it will most likely be on the switch too.
MVG you’re my favorite, if only because when you don’t like something you don’t sound like a whiny entitled man child. I wish more TH-camrs followed your example.