Orson Welles Knew NOTHING when making Citizen Kane
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I love that line "Ignorance, there's no authority like it."
Yeah it's a good one and terrifying at the same time
Reminds me of a certain former president.
Never truer words spoken
I am going to quote the hell out of that line.
Orson was also a really funny guy.
I love how Orson Welles was never hesitant to praise Gregg Toland. He even shared his title card with him on "Citizen Kane."
indeed that is why hate how he portrayed as an egomaniac, he wasn't at all.
I think sometimes people confuse ego with ambition. Just because you're ambitious and creative, doesn't mean you're an egomaniac. Now, if you're working with apathetic people, however, I can see how someone like Welles would be perceived as "ego-centric." But that says more about the accuser than the accused. @@miguelmarques4583
@miguelmarques4583 people who do usually have a vested interest in denigrating artists with integrity
Sad no one has ever heard of Greg Toland.
@@cconnon1912Except for the people who have heard of him, like me.
“Bring me apprentices, not masters. I have no use for people who have learned the limits of the possible.”
-Terry Pratchett
- Stockton Rush
@@EpicJonTwas literally about to comment "also that guy who built submarines". You beat me to it
@@andrewesau51submarines are what the U.S. Navy operate. History Channel (not a fan these days) does a great job showing alot of what goes into these specialized craft. Check out the 351 NEMESIS submersible riding on a sub.
“I want to be in your picture because you’ve never made a picture and you don’t know what can’t be done” is such a beautiful quote for young artists to hear. He wanted to work with Orson because he knew he wouldn’t say no to anything and because of that they made one of the most innovative films in cinema history. Orson Welles is the embodiment of raw talent, through and through.
Save for the fact the Cane was his only real success.
I love hearing orson wells speak, he just sounds so good.
Velvet voice
He sounds like the Brain.
He truly did just have one of those voices. There's gravitas to it, it demands attention.
@snifrbelin I came to say this. Brain's voice from Pimky and the Brain is 100%.modeled after Orson wells.
@@thisscreensucks Cool! 😎
“You don’t know what cannot be done” great advice for anyone who wants to try something new. I love how succinct this is. There’s no authority, just go and do it. Everything happened for the first time once.
Yes, that was the key takeaway.
Point one, the picture looks good
Point two, actors likable
Point three, good script
Point four, sounds good
Point five, good director
Actors have to be compelling but not likable, look at films like Joker.
Bro actors don't matter worth a damn.
Point one. Lighting
Point two. Sound and cinematography.
Point three. Choreography.
Thats movie making. You can define any good director from those three points.
Script writing is a different skill all together, thats where the skill really is. Everything else is an equation with slightly different variables.
@@daslynnter9841 sound and cinematography are two different points, but you right about the importance of those elements!
I've done a few things this way, being too dumb to know it can't be done. It feels good.
I bought my first business that way. I’d never do it now, so probably would never get started
@@uvebruce3730awesome man
❤
Is your name Donald Trump? 😂
@@uvebruce3730out of curiosity, how were you even able to make that move? No matter how cocksure I could've been in my youth, that wouldn't have been possible
He says "home movies", not "whole movies".
Orson Welles face and voice are just magnetic.
Man, that hit really hard for me. When I was in high school playing in a Garage Band, I had a guitar player. Tell me you can’t play that note on bass, while we were constructing a rock tune. I said “why not“? He said because it’s not the right note. I said “I think it sounds cool“ . I went on to a 20 year career in music and he didn’t.
I mean there are wrong notes in music I hate people who use this bullshit as an excuse to write dissonant songs it still has to be pleasurable to the ear so the fact it sounded cool doesn’t necessarily mean it was a wrong note but people take this as you can just do whatever the fuck you want you have to know the rules before you can break the rules
I like how he said that people from the industry try to make it some grand mystery cause thats there living. I was talking to a girl who was in film school, and asked her how to write a screenplay, and she kept saying "its very hard, its not something anyone can just write", and despite my needling just kept saying "it's hard". Up until now I never realized she was just trying to deflect the fact she took a 4 year degree in something I learned from reading and networking.
Bruh as somebody who did screenwriting as a masters, that's totally spot on. It can be done by anybody and she was totally trying to hide how easy it is 😂
I know how to write a screenplay.
You write a screenplay.
Whether or not its good....however...
Well, writing is another area of expertise all together. Screenplay, novel, music, doesn’t matter. It’s all hard. Any writer with sense knows it to be hard. A degree specifically in screenwriting is very useless indeed. A literature degree however would do wonders. Any aspiring filmmaker would be better off studying literature as a basis for storytelling.
Welles here is talking about the act of directing and putting together a film already written. He’s talking about production. Which is definitely not that complex. But I don’t think you can easily apply the intellectually simple life of set to every aspect of the filmmaking process. Just as writing is difficult, so is editing and music composition.
"You don't know what cannot be done."
Pretty much everything brilliant came from someone that didn't know it couldn't be done.
My first year as a software engineer I had a friend that started like me straight out of university. We were super ignorant, and were starting to learn new frameworks and languages. He was put on a PLSQL project, and had zero experience in PLSQL.
He came up with a solution and was told, "That won't work because you can't do that in PLSQL." His response was, "I didn't know that so I tried it and it worked." If he were one of the "experts" and had not been ignorant he would not have even attempted it. Sometimes you get lucky and ignorance leads to innovation.
This guy was a pioneer absolute fucking genius RIP Orson Welles
A true masterpiece - CITIZEN KANE ❤
What a panel, three legends
And Cavett still with us at 87 🙏🏻
I want to go to that day and a half film class.
it would be obsolete.
@@bobspence5322wrong
@@bobspence5322nope it would be innovative because everything today is just remakes of stuff already done maybe done very well but the remake will be done poorly That half day class given to the right person like wells was would change film and add new life to a stagnant lifeless form
Most art, most true art, is about getting out of your own way and removing preconceptions. There is something called "craft" which is an attempt imitate something that exists to please the viewer. And that is a worthy talent and there's much to admire about it, but it shouldn't confused with an artist's vision.
"You dont know what CANT be done"❤
I remember Tarantino's advice to young filmmakers. He said get a cinematographer to film your movie. Get an editor to edit your movie. The directors job is to tell the story.
Directors job is to give direction. Let a writer write your story.
@@dr.julianbashir9193 And that's why Tarantino movies are empty big moving paintings
"Ignorance, there's no authority in the world like it." Such a good quote. Lol
I find it insane that he played Unicron, and he played it well.
yes i saw it in a theater the day it came out. i read later he died the day after wrapping telling his wife it was the most fun he had ever had in any part. i made a rosebud comparison.
Greg Toland and Linwood Dunn; 'Citizen Kane' owes so much of its innovative visual storytelling to them as much as Welles.
Of course it only took him a day and a half to learn everything about film making. Orson Welles was a great intellect in his time!!
Literally why New Zealand has been so influential in the arts for about 50 years. No one told them they had no idea. So they did it anyway.
True. The hundreds of world renowned artists they produced. maybe millions. Trillions of artists!
Trillions 😂@@santouchesantouche2873
Jonathan Frakes should play Orson Wells
An absolute legend. Rip king
He was THE MAN! I love his movies!
Im just realizing now that "Brain" from Pinky and The Brain was based on an adaptation of Welles, amazing.
I first realized it when seeing _Ed Wood._
only vincent price ever rivaled the character orson welles had in his voice.
There's a skit on Animaniacs where Brain does voice over for some commercials like frozen peas, and it's word for word (barring foul language) exactly like a leaked recording of Orson Welles getting upset with the commercials' directors.
@@ericjohnson9623 Yes, always!
Makes sense. Movies can be too conventional. You need the experimentalists to push the boundaries every now and then. Arguably Hollywood today suffers from oversaturation of dull and "safe" bets. It would be good to see some risks being taken again in the movies.
Hollywood is all about money, not originality.
...but then you go and get in line for the next Christopher Nolan flick.🤣🤣🤣
@@Broyale26people can like both, can’t they?
Genius and he was the best as Unicron on TRANSFORMERS The Movie!! ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️
What are we doing tonight Orson?
The same thing we do every night Pinky....try to make a movie!
😂😂😂 he looks just like the freaking mouse! ☠️
@@AxlAX well, the mouse looks just like him since it was based on him.
I can't believe I've only just realise his voice is what brain from pinky and the brain is based off 😂
This is true for most creative endeavors.
I remember going to school for music production and when I was taught the bare minimum tools and techniques my mind went crazy and I made some of my favorite music to this day… then I learned more and started to understand what was “technically” correct in terms of the industry. Ever since then I’ve rarely been able to recapture the essence of my early stuff.
Like the artistic masterpeices of a child's wonder thrown in splotches of paint onto paper for their parent...
Genius, so amazing he was so young, yet an old soul. THE GRAPES OF WRATH/DP GREGG Toland is who was the genius!! And mentor!
I've seen this interviewer before. Dick Cavett (sorry about the spelling) but he is up there with the greats. Intelligent thoughtful questions then he shuts up and listens. Let's the guests speak. Doesn't try to make himself the centre of attention.
Love OW too.
For first-time directors, it is ABSOLUTELY imperative to have a great cinematographer on your film, and someone who is good at mentoring you like Toland did for Welles.
He was always someone I would have loved to have met and had a conversation with..He was always great on talk shows especially when he did magic tricks. Interesting person
He looks so weird without the beard
What inspired Welles to shoot Citizen Kane in the manner that he did was his infatuation with the Thorne Collection at the Art Institute of Chicago where he had attended its art school. The Thorne Collection are elaborately crafted miniature rooms taken from various periods of history. Welles would routinely affix himself to the viewing boxes for hours on end.
I don't know if I've heard Orson Welles before, but Maurice LaMarche used him as inspiration for Brain, and it shows.
You don't know what can't be done.
Never take your ignorance for granted. when it’s gone… it’s gone. Can’t unring a bell, as they say
As i've gotten older i have realised how dumb i actually am.
Orson Welles, as much as he was lampooned in the later years of his life, was the OG in Hollywood in his prime. He was fearless and unapologetic...
That is amazing! My mind is blown here!
Always loved Wells. Even better... is to watch him parody HIMself on old radio shows like Jack Benny, etc. Seemed like a very decent chap!
God, I love this man.
If i didn't see the interviewer I would have thought this happened in the 90s or early 2000's, Orson always looks & talks as if he's ahead of his time I don't know what it is but its fascinating.
Brilliant interview!
"Oh what luck! I found a French fry in my beard"
That's how good stuff gets done!
It's downright unusual how little cinema has evolved since the 1910s.
Everyone said "you can't do this".
But then one day someone came who didn't know this and just did it.
Aww bro. Genius just spoke.
Everyone, just think back to what you were doing at 26. Everyone else, think about what you will be doing.
Drugs, gym and daddy D
i designed a circular city (not in a stupid game) called the millennium island in Y2K (2000, when i was 19). it had everything a society needs and even more. 1km wide. a monorail on the outer edge (like a 20 story building all the way around) with 4 stations. a lake in the middle with a central island where there was a huge skyscraper/watertower/arena. a beach, a ski slope. a marina for small boats with a boat lift. parks. different residential areas. an underground garbage system. a hotel and many office buildings. a school. a hospital. a police station/jail. remember it was 23 years ago, that was before dubai started building all these crazy megaprojects like the palm island and stuff. and i kept going. now i have a few thousand concepts. lol (i use even AI now)
I was fixing Cisco routers and switches.
I was taught in a week. I just got through electronics school, but it just added to my own ability to fix things.
Before I got there, they would produce 60 refurbished components daily. I ramped it up to 300 while holding back. I had to keep backlog just to stay employed😁
The finest horse riding blonde you’ve ever seen in your entire life.
26 was a good year
I was cleaning toilets in a Midwestern rubber factory. I want to be a director and painter, but I’m still there every night cleaning toilets.
Genius. Sheer genius
An intelligent articulate talk show host , allowing one of the greatest minds in film , to talk .
And when he talks , you listen , because he was a truly fascinating , intelligent & complex man .
I’m sure he could have been a complete bas@@@d.
But with that determination , and genius , he was also gracious enough to credit a superb camera man , for giving him an education in film making , that he never forgot .
Very true. If you understand, you can do it.
One of the interesting things about Kane is, critics are now revisiting whether it was the greatest film ever. But it will always be one of the most groundbreaking films ever, because many of what we think of as movie tropes were established in Kane. Before Kane, movies were more like recorded theater productions. Orson Welles came to the picture knowing nothing about filmmaking, but knowing a lot about radio and theater, because he'd done both. And he observed that making a movie was a little like radio and a little like theater, but a lot like neither. He could see the strengths and limitations of the medium with a novice's eyes, and that allowed him to add things to the film that really take advantage of the medium. (For example, Kane, I believe, was one of the first films to feature people talking over one another, as they do naturally; the previous convention, borrowed from live theater, was to feature one character speaking at a time for clarity's sake, unless it was a chorus or a bustling crowd or something.)
He killed it as Benny Hill, too.
Awesome Orson.❤
"Welcome, Megatron"
Awe…that man’s voice. Maybe the greatest of all time.
I met Orsen Wells briefly in the mid 1970s . He was a big guy in height and weight . He really did wear all black , including the thing he wore around his neck , perhaps a tie ? He always had people surrounding him , his people.
They said "Orson, you can't place the subtitles in the most obnoxious way in this clip! That's unheard of!"
When knowledge interferes with understanding
fucking LEGEND
Brilliant , as I often say , make your own noise . 👍
I made a successful business at an early age. Asked how it could be... Mother said, "No one told him he couldn't do it." Gotta belive Mollie
Love that, I wanna work with you because you don’t know what can’t be done, apply this to anything in life. Very cool
There's a fine line between Orson Welles and Tommy Wiseau.
Nah, the difference is Welles had a great script and was a natural actor and is very talented. It’s easy to have a good shoot when you’ve got a director who lets you do whatever you want to get the best shot.
NOPE
The difference seems to be getting hit with a car by a Hollywood executive
So you’re saying Tommy Wiseau didn’t have a great script and was not a great, natural actor?
a very good way of thinking
"Ignorance, there's no authority in the world like it."
Damn... Orson dropping some hard facts.
“You don’t know what can’t be done” - so in the process of trying everything, maybe we’ll do something that’s never been done…
Brilliant genius.
Dope lesson
Pure talent
I feel that, ive just always said it different. "You cant win against the power of a group of idiots."
But, "Ignorance, theres no authority like it.",
is much better said lol.
Best film advice ever
Anything that can't be learned in a day is not worth learning, so I suggest learning to teach things in a day
- ChildofSaintEgypt
Great stuff
its true, it's life, it's even more
Same thing they told The Beatles ❤
Makes sense to me, Orson!
Appears haughty and arrogant, yet claims abject ignorance and immediately defers all credit to the excellence of a peer - whether or not that is false humility, it just works.
Brilliant.
Host & Audience: "uh-huh. Mmhm. hardy har har."
The true greats become great by not trying to become like the greats who came before them. We remember them for their uniqueness and bold originality. Not for the ability to follow others.
Practically invented film noir camera angles.
Awesome
TRIVIA : His ashes are Scattered at the bottom of a Well on the grounds of one of his homes in Spain ! r.i.p. ❤🙏🇬🇧
I've been doing arts since I was seven. Poetry, chorus, acting, scriptwring, pantomime, dancw and was even an assistant director recently. I've had many teachers and I've heard lots of rules. In reality art is simple. It boils down to two things:
1. What is the purpose of your decision.
2. How do you communicate that purpose with the audience.
Once you figure these two things everything becomes simple.
I used to think very highly of art and was against commercial art and commercialisation of art but today I just view it as a job and I see no difference between commercial and non-commercial art. I've noticed that all of my good teachers had the same mentality while all of the bad ones think like I used to.
There isn't some great mystery to making art and anybody can do it even at a high level. You can learn the basiscs of any art form in a period ranging from a couple of minutes to a couple of days. After that it's all about practice in making decisions and communicating them with the audience.
That’s why he made clearheaded fisherman his disciples.
Like Steve Wozniyak using the same chips for different functions, ehich "cant be done."
It was pretty good.
I did because i’m to dumb to know that I couldn’t do it. Genius.
Orson wells also knew great food and where to find it. I’m not joking either.
ignorance is always authority. ask the lashes on these shoulders ha. anyways i loved his voice especially my mom took me to see the transformers movie when i was about 7 and welles said the day before he died finished the part that it was the most fun he ever had. awesome like a real life rosebud. his movie cituzen kane will always be welcome in my collection.