I was getting half decent in my early 20s. Highest break was 63 but I was improving. Ran out of people to play and just faded away. I reckon a few days playing with you and your tips, I'd be back up to where I was again. Brilliant player
I'm almost identical. Highest break was 64, felt like I was improving and maybe just maybe with another leap a century would be possible one day. Maybe not, but it felt like I could head in that direction. But the guy I played with twice a week, well that stopped for whatever reason, and I didn't play for many years. Have played a bit more again, before Covid, but anyway yes I think this channel is a good inspiration to get playing again when we can. :)
@@AleaIactaEst2009 funny you say that, I got 2 games in (1st in almost 20 year) the same week of lockdown. Last game the day before lockdown. I was getting the zest for it again and, well... rest is history. There was a new American sports bar to open in my town. Snooker, American pool, L shaped tables etc. I was looking forward to it. Not sure what their plans are now.
I'm from USA and never heard of snooker till 5 days ago and I need to play it, I've been watching snooker and carom 3 rail a lot lately, I wish we had more billiards games here.
The one of these I do perpetuate is the "dont hit above the top third of the cure ball" one... however, this is because at my university pool and snooker society I always saw an absolute ton of miscues and wildy swinging arms when teaching newcomers to cuesports to get topspin, whilst retaining any form of cueball control. Most simply aimed as high as possible and tried to go full power, resulting in huge, horrible-sounding miscues and wildy-bouncing cue balls. To start with at least, I'd rather lie to them slightly and get them able to really control the cueball before letting them experiment with extreme levels of spin.
1) Spin does transfer from the cue to the object ball, even more so if on the contact there is a chalk mark. Also balls don't spin like cogs and the transfer is minimal. The spin wont transfer from an object ball to another one because the spin on the object ball itself is so minimal that it just changes it's motion. 2) You didn't do or show any kind of testing. You spun the cue with your hand let it hit the object ball and called it a day? To do this you need a fast camera, a cue ball and a striped ball. Put them in a straight line with the stripe on the object ball matching the trajectory of the cue hitting it. Center ball strike the cue to the striped ball, the stripe will roll in a straight line (visually not changing). Hit the object ball with spin, while hitting the object ball dead on. The ball will roll a bit off the straight trajectory. And you will be able to see the slight spin transfer because the stripe will not remain in the same plane, it will wobble (the ball rotates in two planes now, because of spin transferred to it) Anyone can do this. And see it for themselves. 3) The result of spin transfer is called spin induced throw, and varies on the cue spin. This throw is exactly the reason you are able to pot the black near the red. As the cue contacts the object ball if it has opposing spin to it's motion for example the deflection angle of the object ball is to the left and spin is to the right (clockwise) it helps the cue skid of the object ball (this is the opposite of transferring spin, it's slide like when it hits the cushion and rebounds faster) it will push the object ball slightly to the right, than if hit with no spin. If the spin is the opposite (counter-clockwise) it will hit the object ball, transfer it's momentum and also slightly grab it with a spin transfer and push it to the left from it's original trajectory. Without spin and it's transfer these well known phenomena wouldn't ever happen.
doted whites, are not enough, as you can't clearly see what is happening. Striped balls are necessary. Watch this, then think again. th-cam.com/video/-jUL_8aZ2LU/w-d-xo.html
This is true, and especially so in American Pool. I use cue ball to object ball spin transfer all the time especially when playing an object ball into the cushion. You can even see a demonstration of this on TH-cam.
That laser aiming guide is actually a really good idea. If I played pool in any way actively I'd certainly start using it since my aiming is atrocious at best. But I don't so I won't.
Just some random thought: Instead of dirtying the table with chalk, and getting these kinds of unpredictable results, wouldn't it be better to use some form of hard rubber as cue point?
WOW! It's amazing that even folks OUTSIDE of the USA who speak "English", still don't know how to WRITE IT! Stop the video @ the 4:52 mark and see what I'm talking about! Other than this little "hiccup"...great info! As an American, I've been following the game of Snooker for a few months now and have come to appreciate the awesomeness of Ronnie O'Sullivan!
Would love to see you post some vids of you in local tournaments on this channel. You've already got quite a number of followers keen to see you in action.
When you tested the balls bouncing off the rail in the second one where you used the black ball it gained a lot more speed coming off of the cues for some reason. You can clearly see the difference. So obviously the black one was going to bounce faster and go farther. Not sure why that one went faster down the cues but it was very clear. hmmm.
@@Breakfromlife excellent video. That's a much better test on that video. Thanks for showing that. So do you think when the pros get those crazy bounces that there might just be a small bit of chalk on the rail? I guess it's possible. Thanks again.
you did the first experiment, where you let the balls run down the cues a bit wrong to my knowledge. In snooker the white ball is a tiny bit smaller, than the others, which should change the outcome regardless of the chalk on the cushion. Please correct me f i am wrong (at least english pool has different sized balls)
The balls should be the same size and weight in snooker unlike pool. Should have done it a little better, thought it was more of an established fact that it is. Didn’t realise most were unaware of why you get big bounces
You should have used the black in both examples in the first experiment for fairness. If I'm not mistaken, the cue ball is slightly smaller than the colours.
Realise that after I filmed it but to be fair this is already an established fact and has been talked about quite a bit for a couple years or so. Though not a lot of people have heard of it
Spin transfer: put 2 red balls touching eachother close to the pocket, aimed at the pocket. To put them both you need backspin on white, transfering to a topspin on the first red.
I found this video very interesting. Just one thing (apologies for being picky), why didn't you use the black ball for both tests down the cue at 1:50? This would be the correct way to do the test so there can be no question.
At first I thought this was an April fools video, the chalk thing is very weird. The cogwheel thing does happen though, especially on larger billiard balls. I have some shots for libre billiards that actually rely on this cogwheel effect.
I may have misunderstood point 1, the ending to it in particular. Is not saying it came off the cushion faster than it went on simply to say the speed it exits the cushion is greater than the speed it hit the cushion? That while of course the initial speed of the shot is decreasing all the time due to friction, the impact with the cushion then adds some extra speed, causing a bounce that is greater than expected. I didn't understand what showing how far the ball would travel unimpeded proved in relation to that as that only demonstrates the initial speed of the shot, not the speed it hit the cushion.
This is pretty hilarious - I have once had an argument with the most famous russian snooker commentator (I speak Russian and used to watch snooker in Russian) regarding the spin that allegedly transfers from the cue ball to the object ball, which I could never believe was true. He said I was wrong and hence I knew nothing about snooker. Since then I watch snooker in English lol
He was correct. It definitely does transfer. billiards.colostate.edu/threads/throw.html#spin It's not a lot, but it doesn't take a lot of spin to change the angle off the rail.
YTKolyan true. Basic physics. Do you want to take the word of the guy that tosses a ball on the table, or the engineer that has a PhD, a mathematical proof, and slow motion video of it?
The cue ball is lighter than the black though. I understand the black ball should have more momentum. However wouldn't the cue ball travel farther due to less surface area thus less friction?
Interesting. The snooker clubs I go to must give me *Pool* cue balls as I know they are smaller and lighter. Which is amateur-ish to be honest if that is the case. I'm only starting to get into snooker at the moment hence why I was unaware that the cue ball size is the same as the other balls. Nonetheless, I think it's good practice to use the same ball to remove all doubt for other viewers. Great content though :). God bless.
Lot of clubs we play in have mixed around balls between sets. Sometimes for some reason the cue ball is to be a bit smaller and lighter. That’s why most of the people I know who run tournaments have bought there own sets and just use them to stop people moaning about them more than anything.
In english pool certainly the white ball is slightly smaller and lighter than the others (This is to allow the coin-operated tables to return the white but not the other colours in-game). In snooker though, they should definetly be the same size and weight. Most likely the sets have got mixed up in use, this is fairly common unfortunately, especially if you're going to a chain of clubs like Riley's in the UK where I've often seen mixed sets, lighter whites, and reds that are a different shade to the rest.
You should've used the same ball for the "chalk on the cushion" test to make it more scientific.....just in case there's a difference between the black and the white.
@@nakkadu with coin op tablea, the white is different to the black. Something in the ball so you can get it back if you scratch. So your statement poses legitiment questions
If the spin doesn't transfer from cue ball to object ball, how can you wide or narrow the angle of the object ball when you play a double (=bank shot) with spin?
Spin transfer is real, you demonstrated spin induced throw but play a straight shot into the rail with left and right spin and watch the difference. It's a speed thing but I am sure you will get it.
If you have american pool balls test it for yourself. You won't make the object ball spin. The only real answer I could find on the matter is that because the cue ball is spinning its path changes. Especially against the nap it's noticeable when you play a slower shot across the table.
Friction at the contact patch between the object and cue balls dictates the conditions for the transfer to take place. It would be also wise to clarify that the effect is not equivalent compared to the spin you apply to the cue but it does happen. I unfortunately have never had the opportunity to play the wonderful game of snooker but could differences in cloth or rails (or balls perhaps? I know they are of slightly different size but are they constructed slightly different as well?) have anything to do with it? I am not intimate with the construction of a snooker table so not aware of the differences. A combination of slow cloth plus fast rails will diminish this effect.
If this were true, wooden balls would show this the best. As they would have the most friction between them. The effect of cloth is smaller than the amount of spin you physically could transfer. The concept makes sense in a way. But it would only work if you held the balls pinned to the table against each other. But no, it's an old theory proven wrong by a 5 year old with striped balls.
At the risk of repeating an earlier comment; I tested sidespin transmission a long time ago. I had the white and a red about 20 cm apart, lined up behind baulk aiming at the black spot. I hit the white very firmly with as much side as I could get without miscueing and sent the red directly along the line of spots from brown to black. Guess what? The red bounced off the cushion just as if it had a small amount of sidespin. I'm quite sure of this, but I doubt that it's of much use in real life unless you're trying an unextremely unlikely double that will only work if the object ball has side. Please would you try this and maybe prove me wrong? Making sure that the object travels over the spots ensures that you are really seeing transmitted sidespin. However, it's such a small amount that it would not, in my opinion, transmit spin to any other ball it hit.
Not a lot now. When the cloth was re fitted they said this was the last time they could use these cushions. They have to plane a bit off every time to get rid of the rubber which was glued on before
I play Joe Johnson on a regular basis at Cue Gardens in Bradford & I ain't a pro or good at snooker for that matter but it didn't stop me giving him a hell of a game losing only 5-7 on frames despite being 4-2 up at 1 point. Ps: I'm a pool player not snooker lol
i know for a fact the "cog effect" is real in American pool, because you can see the spin affect the striped balls in the opposite rotation. its how "throw" works and you can use this to tighten an angle and make really narrow reverse shots. aim too thick to bank a shot with inside spin, and it will bring the object ball's angle in. you can also use it in the opposite effect and hit an object ball with outside english and the angle will be larger. hit an object ball straight into a cushion with extreme english and the object ball will go the other direction, idk if it works exactly like cog work, but the effect is real. my local bar has a snooker table and i can say with some certainty that snooker balls behave the same in this regard, but its just harder to see with the different scales.
Darren.. The arrows around the cue ball at 5:18 are wrong.. you had right hand/running side on that shot? (Anti clockwise) not left hand side (clockwise) as show by the arrows
Regardless of that though this really is an awesome channel mate.. took me a while to work out if it was you though 😁 keep up the good work mate, superb stuff 👍🏻😁❤️
Chalk acts as a grip, it creates friction between tip and cue ball allowing us to use spin, more chalk, you've less chance of any slip/miss cue when cuing through the white meaning you'll generate good spin. When the Cue ball hits the chalk on the cushion the same applies, when it makes contact with the chalked cushion the forward motion of the cue ball is checked much quicker (it hits the chalk and grips more than it would without the chalk) meaning it gains its forward motion after hitting the cushion quicker than the black ball can so rolls further. The black ball with no chalk on the cushion finds less resistance so will continue its forward spinning motion even after hitting the cushion, before then righting itself, hence it will pull up shorter than the cue ball. If that makes sense, great, as I'm not retyping it LOL
LMAO So I was quite right after getting to the end... I guess as you've your own table (as I have) you like me, spend hours playing with the cue ball, trying to make it do strange things? Hahaha. I have one shot you can try, that will drive you nuts. From anywhere near the green spot, send the cue ball in a straight line to the pink spot, only for it to check itself up and curl behind the pink spot. So, the cue ball travelling in a straight line, to then pull up and turn around the pink spot? You could call it a ''delayed swerve shot''. It's not easy but super difficult, you'll be able to do it by throwing the cue ball from your hand, like an underhand throw and spinning it, ..but now do it with a cue. LOL I'll give you a clue how you do it, when we look at a cue ball from above, we have the 4 directions as in back front left and right, to play a normal swerve shot you play the back of the cue ball with a raised butt and strike either left or right depending on which way you want to swerve the cue ball, so to bend it to the right (looking down on a cue ball) you'd be punching down on the south-eastern part of the cue ball. So, to get the cue ball travelling straight, before then swerving later, try playing the swerve shot as you would normally, only strike the top right or the north-eastern part of the cue ball. You'll start by thinking you can't do that, because the cue tip will be in the way of the forward moving cue ball, and therein lies the mind bender of the problem, that will drive you mad trying, but it can be done, I can do it, nearly every time, LOL I've practised doing so, so often LOL..
Regarding your demo using the white and black to demo chalk, undoubtedly chalk does make a difference especially when side is applied to the cue ball. Its worth noting that the cue ball is often lighter than other balls which could explain minor differences. Also some bounces are definitely not down to chalk. I'm not sure exactly what is but i think unwanted side plays a bigger part.
The maximum top spin thing is in reference to after the ball achieves natural roll. Once the cue ball has achieved natural roll, it doesn't matter how high you hit the cue ball, the amount of follow is only dependent on the speed of the cue ball. The harder you hit the ball, the longer it takes to achieve natural roll. On softer shots, natural roll is almost immediate, so hitting higher on the cue ball doesn't produce more follow, in fact it produces less in relation to stroke speed because the cue ball speed is slower due to hitting farther off center.
Also, spin definitely transfers, it is just a tiny amount. Generally only useful on changing the angle of banks where the object ball is very close to the cushion or throwing in a frozen combination.
Don't know about anyone else but after watching this I still don't know whether the cue ball can transfer spin to the object ball. Yes it 'throws' the object ball but if the object ball hit a cushion would it spin in the opposite direction to the the cueball? A little less mockery and a bit more attention to the subject at hand would help. BTW, pool players say spin definitely transfers.
I like your videos a lot! Thanks! PS but disagree with the second point you've mentioned. When you strike with low power, it matters where you hit the cue ball, I mean above(below) the center or at the very top(bottom) of the cue ball
On a pool table it´s easy to transmit spin on the object ball, you just have to make the hit hard enough, for the object ball not to start rolling on the table (thus losing the spin) before hitting the cushion. So you are just doing it wrong.
i can;t concentrate on game give me the reason the other one is that when i play a game or take in angle position many more things are run in my mind u have any idea and solution plzzz plzzz
Sorry for my bad english but not believing in spin transfer is as ridicules as not believing in gravity.. If you did sometesting or even look in diffrent braches of biljarts like libre/cadre or even 3 cushin you would know.....
Was going to leave the black where it was but realised it was in the way. Wasn’t really thinking about this too much because I thought it was already an established fact. Then it turned out that almost no one had heard of this
I can assure you that spin does transfer between balls. And you don't need a stripped or spotted ball to prove this to your self! Just play a double/bank with spin going either direction. The object ball will come off the rail at different angles depending on the spin. I enjoy the game of snooker, but play much more pool. it's easy to see with stripped balls. We have a game called one pocket. Any one pocket player would have told me not to respond, because you clearly don't have a clue! High/follow spin is an interesting subject. I agree with you, also the type of stoke can affect the amount of follow. I don't know if I've ever played what I would call a 'force follow'. but try hitting a ball with a very similar stroke to a draw/screw shot. The effect of chalk on the cushion has to do with energy transfer, with the chalk there is no dampening of the felt.
Anyone who has smashed an attempted double short of the target pocket and watched the object ball check off the 2nd cushion, straighten up and become a triple knows your theory on transmitted side is wrong. Oh and yes, i always say i played it like that, for positional purposes of course.
Break from life Great video friend. I have subbed, I like people that show science behind sports. I honestly didn't know about the chalk on the cushion 😲 crazy! Great video.
@@Breakfromlife great tip...and im glad you said that because its harder to do than people think. Because im left eye dominant and right handed I find I stand behind the shot in the wrong place if that makes sense. I just cant seem to find the right line of aim
@@sj460162 I recently discovered the same thing. Funny thing it doesn't affect my aim if the angle is severe, say 1/4 ball or thinner than that. But the straighter shots... Jeezz... Trouble is I can't adapt. Can't find a steady, comfortable stance and after 10 minutes or so my neck is killing me.
First of all, if you are going to do a comparison of rebound from a rail or cushion, you have to use two identical balls, not a white and black. Second, if you want more top spin, just use a closed bridge with your hand closer to the cue ball. You cannot control the shaft deflection of the cue on a topspin shot with an open bridge. Also, you cannot hit the ball too hard, there is a sweet spot. And lastly, you can impart side on an object ball, especially if the balls are damp and dirty.
BTW, your intro flash messages.... St Patrick certainly wasn't Irish, as you say. But he wasn't "Welsh" either. All we know (from St Partick's own writings) is that he was Romano-British, captured by pirates from somewhere on the British mainland, and then taken to Ireland. Likely the west coast of geographical Great Britain, and in a part that that had been Roman (ie, south of Hadrian's Wall). But his home village of "Bannaven Taburnia" could be almost anywhere - those pirates raided up estuaries, and round onto the south coast too..... No evidence for "Welshness", "Cornishness" or even "Englishness" (none of which concepts really existed at the time anyway...). Good snooker though!
Sorry to dissapoint you, but as a specialist researcher on this topic, I must add that certain glassy alloys are indeed a supercooled liquid phase of matter frozen into a solid state. Nevertheless, thanks for the tips. ;-)
Sorry but you are a snooker player not a physicist, spin transfer is real and does result in a portion of the spin being transferred to the object ball.
I guess as you've your own table (as I have) you like me, spend hours playing with the cue ball, trying to make it do strange things? Hahaha. I have one shot you can try, that will drive you nuts. From anywhere near the green spot, send the cue ball in a straight line to the pink spot, only for it to check itself up and curl behind the pink spot. So, the cue ball travelling in a straight line, to then pull up and turn around the pink spot? You could call it a ''delayed swerve shot''. It's not easy but super difficult, you'll be able to do it by throwing the cue ball from your hand, like an underhand throw and spinning it, ..but now do it with a cue. LOL I'll give you a clue how you do it, when we look at a cue ball from above, we have the 4 directions as in back front left and right, to play a normal swerve shot you play the back of the cue ball with a raised butt and strike either left or right depending on which way you want to swerve the cue ball, so to bend it to the right (looking down on a cue ball) you'd be punching down on the south-eastern part of the cue ball. So, to get the cue ball travelling straight, before then swerving later, try playing the swerve shot as you would normally, only strike the top right or the north-eastern part of the cue ball. You'll start by thinking you can't do that, because the cue tip will be in the way of the forward moving cue ball, and therein lies the mind bender of the problem, that will drive you mad trying, but it can be done, I can do it, nearly every time, LOL I've practised doing so, so often LOL..
Please don't talk about the things you don't know. Spin transfer is massively used in banking in pool. Any decent bank pool player will tell you that. Even cutting the ball transfers some spin to it. Which is enough to miss a bank shot. Try doubling the ball with stun shot with and without side. Ps. With stun the most spin is transfered.
I was getting half decent in my early 20s. Highest break was 63 but I was improving. Ran out of people to play and just faded away.
I reckon a few days playing with you and your tips, I'd be back up to where I was again.
Brilliant player
I'm almost identical. Highest break was 64, felt like I was improving and maybe just maybe with another leap a century would be possible one day. Maybe not, but it felt like I could head in that direction. But the guy I played with twice a week, well that stopped for whatever reason, and I didn't play for many years. Have played a bit more again, before Covid, but anyway yes I think this channel is a good inspiration to get playing again when we can. :)
@@AleaIactaEst2009 funny you say that, I got 2 games in (1st in almost 20 year) the same week of lockdown. Last game the day before lockdown. I was getting the zest for it again and, well... rest is history.
There was a new American sports bar to open in my town. Snooker, American pool, L shaped tables etc. I was looking forward to it. Not sure what their plans are now.
I'm from USA and never heard of snooker till 5 days ago and I need to play it, I've been watching snooker and carom 3 rail a lot lately, I wish we had more billiards games here.
I does depend on what part of the states you are from whether you have access to Snooker table or not.
The one of these I do perpetuate is the "dont hit above the top third of the cure ball" one... however, this is because at my university pool and snooker society I always saw an absolute ton of miscues and wildy swinging arms when teaching newcomers to cuesports to get topspin, whilst retaining any form of cueball control. Most simply aimed as high as possible and tried to go full power, resulting in huge, horrible-sounding miscues and wildy-bouncing cue balls.
To start with at least, I'd rather lie to them slightly and get them able to really control the cueball before letting them experiment with extreme levels of spin.
Climate change Ted
"It's bounced back that much fur-" (seamless transition coming up) "THER"
1) Spin does transfer from the cue to the object ball, even more so if on the contact there is a chalk mark. Also balls don't spin like cogs and the transfer is minimal. The spin wont transfer from an object ball to another one because the spin on the object ball itself is so minimal that it just changes it's motion.
2) You didn't do or show any kind of testing. You spun the cue with your hand let it hit the object ball and called it a day?
To do this you need a fast camera, a cue ball and a striped ball. Put them in a straight line with the stripe on the object ball matching the trajectory of the cue hitting it. Center ball strike the cue to the striped ball, the stripe will roll in a straight line (visually not changing). Hit the object ball with spin, while hitting the object ball dead on. The ball will roll a bit off the straight trajectory. And you will be able to see the slight spin transfer because the stripe will not remain in the same plane, it will wobble (the ball rotates in two planes now, because of spin transferred to it)
Anyone can do this. And see it for themselves.
3) The result of spin transfer is called spin induced throw, and varies on the cue spin. This throw is exactly the reason you are able to pot the black near the red. As the cue contacts the object ball if it has opposing spin to it's motion for example the deflection angle of the object ball is to the left and spin is to the right (clockwise) it helps the cue skid of the object ball (this is the opposite of transferring spin, it's slide like when it hits the cushion and rebounds faster) it will push the object ball slightly to the right, than if hit with no spin. If the spin is the opposite (counter-clockwise) it will hit the object ball, transfer it's momentum and also slightly grab it with a spin transfer and push it to the left from it's original trajectory. Without spin and it's transfer these well known phenomena wouldn't ever happen.
exactly
You can prove to yourself that spin doesnt transfer to the OB using two dotted whites
doted whites, are not enough, as you can't clearly see what is happening. Striped balls are necessary. Watch this, then think again. th-cam.com/video/-jUL_8aZ2LU/w-d-xo.html
This is true, and especially so in American Pool. I use cue ball to object ball spin transfer all the time especially when playing an object ball into the cushion. You can even see a demonstration of this on TH-cam.
Really had to make a comment about 500 words long congrats
That laser aiming guide is actually a really good idea. If I played pool in any way actively I'd certainly start using it since my aiming is atrocious at best. But I don't so I won't.
Just subscribed great channel keep up the good work
your channel is amazing, thank you for all that information
Good to see you've changed your carpet
Its cloth idiot.. What carpet?
@@3D_MachinesHave you ever thought that English is not everybody's native language?
Just some random thought: Instead of dirtying the table with chalk, and getting these kinds of unpredictable results, wouldn't it be better to use some form of hard rubber as cue point?
WOW! It's amazing that even folks OUTSIDE of the USA who speak "English", still don't know how to WRITE IT!
Stop the video @ the 4:52 mark and see what I'm talking about!
Other than this little "hiccup"...great info! As an American, I've been following the game of Snooker for a few months now and have come to appreciate the awesomeness of Ronnie O'Sullivan!
Are you referring to "it's" vs "its"?
Sí Señor!
Would love to see you post some vids of you in local tournaments on this channel. You've already got quite a number of followers keen to see you in action.
I will have a look at doing this in the future not much on at the moment because it’s the middle of summer
From skill to presentation..... professional
When you tested the balls bouncing off the rail in the second one where you used the black ball it gained a lot more speed coming off of the cues for some reason. You can clearly see the difference. So obviously the black one was going to bounce faster and go farther. Not sure why that one went faster down the cues but it was very clear. hmmm.
It’s definitely the chalk though. Made a video to do it definitively th-cam.com/video/iWDLmaTCiT8/w-d-xo.html
@@Breakfromlife excellent video. That's a much better test on that video. Thanks for showing that. So do you think when the pros get those crazy bounces that there might just be a small bit of chalk on the rail? I guess it's possible. Thanks again.
you did the first experiment, where you let the balls run down the cues a bit wrong to my knowledge. In snooker the white ball is a tiny bit smaller, than the others, which should change the outcome regardless of the chalk on the cushion. Please correct me f i am wrong (at least english pool has different sized balls)
The balls should be the same size and weight in snooker unlike pool. Should have done it a little better, thought it was more of an established fact that it is. Didn’t realise most were unaware of why you get big bounces
@@Breakfromlife Thanks very much for clearing this up. The video was very informative none the less. :)
You should have used the black in both examples in the first experiment for fairness. If I'm not mistaken, the cue ball is slightly smaller than the colours.
Realise that after I filmed it but to be fair this is already an established fact and has been talked about quite a bit for a couple years or so. Though not a lot of people have heard of it
Spin transfer: put 2 red balls touching eachother close to the pocket, aimed at the pocket. To put them both you need backspin on white, transfering to a topspin on the first red.
I found this video very interesting. Just one thing (apologies for being picky), why didn't you use the black ball for both tests down the cue at 1:50? This would be the correct way to do the test so there can be no question.
At first I thought this was an April fools video, the chalk thing is very weird.
The cogwheel thing does happen though, especially on larger billiard balls. I have some shots for libre billiards that actually rely on this cogwheel effect.
That incident with the cushion bounce with Mark Williams.. it would be interesting to watch the rest of the frame to see how chalk got on the cushion
I may have misunderstood point 1, the ending to it in particular. Is not saying it came off the cushion faster than it went on simply to say the speed it exits the cushion is greater than the speed it hit the cushion? That while of course the initial speed of the shot is decreasing all the time due to friction, the impact with the cushion then adds some extra speed, causing a bounce that is greater than expected. I didn't understand what showing how far the ball would travel unimpeded proved in relation to that as that only demonstrates the initial speed of the shot, not the speed it hit the cushion.
This is pretty hilarious - I have once had an argument with the most famous russian snooker commentator (I speak Russian and used to watch snooker in Russian) regarding the spin that allegedly transfers from the cue ball to the object ball, which I could never believe was true. He said I was wrong and hence I knew nothing about snooker. Since then I watch snooker in English lol
He was correct. It definitely does transfer. billiards.colostate.edu/threads/throw.html#spin It's not a lot, but it doesn't take a lot of spin to change the angle off the rail.
So is the statement "Spin transfers from the cue ball to the object ball" true or false?
YTKolyan true. Basic physics. Do you want to take the word of the guy that tosses a ball on the table, or the engineer that has a PhD, a mathematical proof, and slow motion video of it?
Ok if the statement is true than the whole idea behind this video is false, isn't it?
Less credible at least.
Don’t know why this video showed up on my feed but glad it did, great series! I’ve subscribed 👍🏻
The cue ball is lighter than the black though. I understand the black ball should have more momentum. However wouldn't the cue ball travel farther due to less surface area thus less friction?
Standard Snooker balls, including the white, should all be the same size and mass.
Interesting. The snooker clubs I go to must give me *Pool* cue balls as I know they are smaller and lighter. Which is amateur-ish to be honest if that is the case. I'm only starting to get into snooker at the moment hence why I was unaware that the cue ball size is the same as the other balls.
Nonetheless, I think it's good practice to use the same ball to remove all doubt for other viewers. Great content though :). God bless.
Lot of clubs we play in have mixed around balls between sets. Sometimes for some reason the cue ball is to be a bit smaller and lighter. That’s why most of the people I know who run tournaments have bought there own sets and just use them to stop people moaning about them more than anything.
In english pool certainly the white ball is slightly smaller and lighter than the others (This is to allow the coin-operated tables to return the white but not the other colours in-game). In snooker though, they should definetly be the same size and weight. Most likely the sets have got mixed up in use, this is fairly common unfortunately, especially if you're going to a chain of clubs like Riley's in the UK where I've often seen mixed sets, lighter whites, and reds that are a different shade to the rest.
You should've used the same ball for the "chalk on the cushion" test to make it more scientific.....just in case there's a difference between the black and the white.
I don’t know why I didn’t really. I accidentally deleted some clips from that part of the video as well so I don’t really know what I was doing.
Break from life sorry I was being way over picky!
@@nakkadu with coin op tablea, the white is different to the black. Something in the ball so you can get it back if you scratch. So your statement poses legitiment questions
@@neonicplays1364 No, this is snooker.
@@nakkadu you have a point . White is more heavier than black.
Does the cue ball weight more?
Is it the exact same diameter?
They are exactly the same. Should have used the same ball but in a latter video I even weigh them. There both the same 182g I think
Break from life I just weight my cue ball vs the other and it’s 0.1oz less but it’s the same diameter.
If the spin doesn't transfer from cue ball to object ball, how can you wide or narrow the angle of the object ball when you play a double (=bank shot) with spin?
Some good info here. Thanks.
Spin transfer is real, you demonstrated spin induced throw but play a straight shot into the rail with left and right spin and watch the difference. It's a speed thing but I am sure you will get it.
If you have american pool balls test it for yourself. You won't make the object ball spin. The only real answer I could find on the matter is that because the cue ball is spinning its path changes. Especially against the nap it's noticeable when you play a slower shot across the table.
Friction at the contact patch between the object and cue balls dictates the conditions for the transfer to take place. It would be also wise to clarify that the effect is not equivalent compared to the spin you apply to the cue but it does happen. I unfortunately have never had the opportunity to play the wonderful game of snooker but could differences in cloth or rails (or balls perhaps? I know they are of slightly different size but are they constructed slightly different as well?) have anything to do with it? I am not intimate with the construction of a snooker table so not aware of the differences. A combination of slow cloth plus fast rails will diminish this effect.
If this were true, wooden balls would show this the best. As they would have the most friction between them.
The effect of cloth is smaller than the amount of spin you physically could transfer. The concept makes sense in a way. But it would only work if you held the balls pinned to the table against each other.
But no, it's an old theory proven wrong by a 5 year old with striped balls.
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Okay? Glad we had this conversation.
great having a new cloth the old one was really shoddy
Yeah I was trying to get this done for so long but I had so many issues to fix before I can get it done just took forever
Amazing videos and explanations I've never even thought about! Great snooker play also!
What's with the hat?
At the risk of repeating an earlier comment; I tested sidespin transmission a long time ago. I had the white and a red about 20 cm apart, lined up behind baulk aiming at the black spot. I hit the white very firmly with as much side as I could get without miscueing and sent the red directly along the line of spots from brown to black. Guess what? The red bounced off the cushion just as if it had a small amount of sidespin. I'm quite sure of this, but I doubt that it's of much use in real life unless you're trying an unextremely unlikely double that will only work if the object ball has side. Please would you try this and maybe prove me wrong? Making sure that the object travels over the spots ensures that you are really seeing transmitted sidespin. However, it's such a small amount that it would not, in my opinion, transmit spin to any other ball it hit.
How much distance is there between the cushions and your table sides?
Not a lot now. When the cloth was re fitted they said this was the last time they could use these cushions. They have to plane a bit off every time to get rid of the rubber which was glued on before
Does anybody know on where to get a decent Snooker cue which is around 62" length from? I would appreciate it.
WoodsCues builds excellent custom cues for decent prices.
Parris cues
You can have a cue made from scratch to your exact specifications
It will cost more but it will be a one of a kind and unique
I play Joe Johnson on a regular basis at Cue Gardens in Bradford & I ain't a pro or good at snooker for that matter but it didn't stop me giving him a hell of a game losing only 5-7 on frames despite being 4-2 up at 1 point. Ps: I'm a pool player not snooker lol
That’s great especially as I didn’t think they let him out of the Eurosport commentary booth for more than a few hours at a time
i know for a fact the "cog effect" is real in American pool, because you can see the spin affect the striped balls in the opposite rotation. its how "throw" works and you can use this to tighten an angle and make really narrow reverse shots. aim too thick to bank a shot with inside spin, and it will bring the object ball's angle in. you can also use it in the opposite effect and hit an object ball with outside english and the angle will be larger. hit an object ball straight into a cushion with extreme english and the object ball will go the other direction, idk if it works exactly like cog work, but the effect is real.
my local bar has a snooker table and i can say with some certainty that snooker balls behave the same in this regard, but its just harder to see with the different scales.
Great stuff, subscribed!
Darren..
The arrows around the cue ball at 5:18 are wrong.. you had right hand/running side on that shot? (Anti clockwise) not left hand side (clockwise) as show by the arrows
Hi James, Something was bound to go wrong with this
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Chalk acts as a grip, it creates friction between tip and cue ball allowing us to use spin, more chalk, you've less chance of any slip/miss cue when cuing through the white meaning you'll generate good spin.
When the Cue ball hits the chalk on the cushion the same applies, when it makes contact with the chalked cushion the forward motion of the cue ball is checked much quicker (it hits the chalk and grips more than it would without the chalk) meaning it gains its forward motion after hitting the cushion quicker than the black ball can so rolls further. The black ball with no chalk on the cushion finds less resistance so will continue its forward spinning motion even after hitting the cushion, before then righting itself, hence it will pull up shorter than the cue ball.
If that makes sense, great, as I'm not retyping it LOL
LMAO So I was quite right after getting to the end... I guess as you've your own table (as I have) you like me, spend hours playing with the cue ball, trying to make it do strange things? Hahaha. I have one shot you can try, that will drive you nuts. From anywhere near the green spot, send the cue ball in a straight line to the pink spot, only for it to check itself up and curl behind the pink spot. So, the cue ball travelling in a straight line, to then pull up and turn around the pink spot? You could call it a ''delayed swerve shot''.
It's not easy but super difficult, you'll be able to do it by throwing the cue ball from your hand, like an underhand throw and spinning it, ..but now do it with a cue. LOL
I'll give you a clue how you do it, when we look at a cue ball from above, we have the 4 directions as in back front left and right, to play a normal swerve shot you play the back of the cue ball with a raised butt and strike either left or right depending on which way you want to swerve the cue ball, so to bend it to the right (looking down on a cue ball) you'd be punching down on the south-eastern part of the cue ball.
So, to get the cue ball travelling straight, before then swerving later, try playing the swerve shot as you would normally, only strike the top right or the north-eastern part of the cue ball.
You'll start by thinking you can't do that, because the cue tip will be in the way of the forward moving cue ball, and therein lies the mind bender of the problem, that will drive you mad trying, but it can be done, I can do it, nearly every time, LOL I've practised doing so, so often LOL..
Regarding your demo using the white and black to demo chalk, undoubtedly chalk does make a difference especially when side is applied to the cue ball. Its worth noting that the cue ball is often lighter than other balls which could explain minor differences. Also some bounces are definitely not down to chalk. I'm not sure exactly what is but i think unwanted side plays a bigger part.
For example, playing reverse side makes the cue ball spin away down the table faster than it hits the cushion.
The maximum top spin thing is in reference to after the ball achieves natural roll. Once the cue ball has achieved natural roll, it doesn't matter how high you hit the cue ball, the amount of follow is only dependent on the speed of the cue ball.
The harder you hit the ball, the longer it takes to achieve natural roll. On softer shots, natural roll is almost immediate, so hitting higher on the cue ball doesn't produce more follow, in fact it produces less in relation to stroke speed because the cue ball speed is slower due to hitting farther off center.
Also, spin definitely transfers, it is just a tiny amount. Generally only useful on changing the angle of banks where the object ball is very close to the cushion or throwing in a frozen combination.
Don't know about anyone else but after watching this I still don't know whether the cue ball can transfer spin to the object ball. Yes it 'throws' the object ball but if the object ball hit a cushion would it spin in the opposite direction to the the cueball? A little less mockery and a bit more attention to the subject at hand would help. BTW, pool players say spin definitely transfers.
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I like your videos a lot! Thanks!
PS but disagree with the second point you've mentioned. When you strike with low power, it matters where you hit the cue ball, I mean above(below) the center or at the very top(bottom) of the cue ball
i always fail when i use side on a straight shot on the blue on the middle pocket.. any solutions?
Hopefully this video explains something th-cam.com/video/xe1qUMdjqxs/w-d-xo.html
@@Breakfromlife Just on point. Thanks bro
2:50 **judd trump** Hold my chalk
Watch the video at 1.25x speed for normal speed talking :)
Oh come on I don’t talk anywhere near that Slow- ly
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Furth....ther! Haha enjoying your editing style. Great vid
On a pool table it´s easy to transmit spin on the object ball, you just have to make the hit hard enough, for the object ball not to start rolling on the table (thus losing the spin) before hitting the cushion. So you are just doing it wrong.
You're right. And if the object ball is close to the rail, you don't have to hit it as hard because it doesn't have time to convert to forward roll
Where was this channel in 1994?
Well to start off with this predates TH-cam by 10 years. I was 8 and didn’t as yet own a snooker table
What's that striped ball called?
Often don’t know what to call it in videos.
I'd call it Malcolm? :-)
i can;t concentrate on game give me the reason the other one is that when i play a game or take in angle position many more things are run in my mind u have any idea and solution plzzz plzzz
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5:30... oh no, so much red & green it's Christmas again already!
I found it interesting at 2:03............ i switched you tube off.....lol
Sorry for my bad english but not believing in spin transfer is as ridicules as not believing in gravity.. If you did sometesting or even look in diffrent braches of biljarts like libre/cadre or even 3 cushin you would know.....
I'm not sure what the wormhole effect was about at the start lol.
The start is pretty old now will be doing a new one as soon as I can
The red is not 68 cm as it was not put in the correct spot should of been a lil closer to the cushion
Why didnt you use the black ball for both measurements
Was going to leave the black where it was but realised it was in the way. Wasn’t really thinking about this too much because I thought it was already an established fact. Then it turned out that almost no one had heard of this
I can assure you that spin does transfer between balls. And you don't need a stripped or spotted ball to prove this to your self!
Just play a double/bank with spin going either direction. The object ball will come off the rail at different angles depending on the spin.
I enjoy the game of snooker, but play much more pool. it's easy to see with stripped balls. We have a game called one pocket. Any one pocket player would have told me not to respond, because you clearly don't have a clue!
High/follow spin is an interesting subject. I agree with you, also the type of stoke can affect the amount of follow. I don't know if I've ever played what I would call a 'force follow'. but try hitting a ball with a very similar stroke to a draw/screw shot.
The effect of chalk on the cushion has to do with energy transfer, with the chalk there is no dampening of the felt.
Line two balls up touching over a pocket and hit it dead on with loads of backspin and both will pot because of transferred spin.
Anyone who has smashed an attempted double short of the target pocket and watched the object ball check off the 2nd cushion, straighten up and become a triple knows your theory on transmitted side is wrong.
Oh and yes, i always say i played it like that, for positional purposes of course.
In your videos you never seem to miss.. how come you are not a top professional player..
A lot of the shots I play in my videos are fairly straight forward. Even the few shots I do miss in my videos are too many.
Wonder if the snookerpros knows about the chalk that gives the ball a bigger bounce?
Yes but surprisingly only for a year or so
Break from life Great video friend. I have subbed, I like people that show science behind sports. I honestly didn't know about the chalk on the cushion 😲 crazy! Great video.
You shou have used the same ball to see the effect of the chalk on the cushion.
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great video i subscribed
Good vid. If you could only give someone ONE snooker tip to help them become world champion..what would it be?
May take a few but the main one is standing on the line of the shot makes everything easier
@@Breakfromlife great tip...and im glad you said that because its harder to do than people think.
Because im left eye dominant and right handed I find I stand behind the shot in the wrong place if that makes sense. I just cant seem to find the right line of aim
Practice.
@@simatbirch lol good advice I like it. Only thong is without a great tip/trick you could practice a lifetime and be missing something important
@@sj460162 I recently discovered the same thing. Funny thing it doesn't affect my aim if the angle is severe, say 1/4 ball or thinner than that. But the straighter shots... Jeezz... Trouble is I can't adapt. Can't find a steady, comfortable stance and after 10 minutes or so my neck is killing me.
First of all, if you are going to do a comparison of rebound from a rail or cushion, you have to use two identical balls, not a white and black. Second, if you want more top spin, just use a closed bridge with your hand closer to the cue ball. You cannot control the shaft deflection of the cue on a topspin shot with an open bridge. Also, you cannot hit the ball too hard, there is a sweet spot. And lastly, you can impart side on an object ball, especially if the balls are damp and dirty.
My smart Friend , try TOP spin while not stunning your cue. Follow through while making the shot and don’t stun it
So how does one get sh*tloads of topspin then if it's a myth about striking the the top half of the cue ball?
76cm and 68cm?! Hell of a bounce off that cushion. Think you might have meant mm's :')
Absolutely the best information on the internet about my favourite game. SNOOKER!
Checkout DrDaveBilliards. The dude has literally written a book and while he doesn't specifically talk about snooker, the principles transfer.
Ur awsm man i love ur videos and i have improved alot
I am learned a lot from your videos
Actually, spin transfer IS a real thing. Just thought I'd point that out.
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Answer me why you don't play at professional??? Please
Unfortunately not good enough
"Spanish sounding cleanup" made me laugh.
BTW, your intro flash messages.... St Patrick certainly wasn't Irish, as you say. But he wasn't "Welsh" either. All we know (from St Partick's own writings) is that he was Romano-British, captured by pirates from somewhere on the British mainland, and then taken to Ireland. Likely the west coast of geographical Great Britain, and in a part that that had been Roman (ie, south of Hadrian's Wall). But his home village of "Bannaven Taburnia" could be almost anywhere - those pirates raided up estuaries, and round onto the south coast too..... No evidence for "Welshness", "Cornishness" or even "Englishness" (none of which concepts really existed at the time anyway...).
Good snooker though!
aaaaaand back to the snooker.......
Actually you get benefits whem you hit the cue ball higher because than you can controll your cue ball better where you want it to go
Haven't seen a clover tub like that in a while
Sorry to dissapoint you, but as a specialist researcher on this topic, I must add that certain glassy alloys are indeed a supercooled liquid phase of matter frozen into a solid state. Nevertheless, thanks for the tips. ;-)
hehe. i'm very happy this is snooker mistakes, because these facts are indeed true for the billiards I play
no, theyre not all true. it is a fact that the object ball gets the opposite spin of the cue ball and he didnt even try to prove his point.
@@ivoandricic1088 yea, that's what i'm saying hehe. I think you "spun" my facts-and-mistakes around :D
Sorry but you are a snooker player not a physicist, spin transfer is real and does result in a portion of the spin being transferred to the object ball.
I love snooker
I guess as you've your own table (as I have) you like me, spend hours playing with the cue ball, trying to make it do strange things? Hahaha. I have one shot you can try, that will drive you nuts. From anywhere near the green spot, send the cue ball in a straight line to the pink spot, only for it to check itself up and curl behind the pink spot. So, the cue ball travelling in a straight line, to then pull up and turn around the pink spot? You could call it a ''delayed swerve shot''.
It's not easy but super difficult, you'll be able to do it by throwing the cue ball from your hand, like an underhand throw and spinning it, ..but now do it with a cue. LOL
I'll give you a clue how you do it, when we look at a cue ball from above, we have the 4 directions as in back front left and right, to play a normal swerve shot you play the back of the cue ball with a raised butt and strike either left or right depending on which way you want to swerve the cue ball, so to bend it to the right (looking down on a cue ball) you'd be punching down on the south-eastern part of the cue ball.
So, to get the cue ball travelling straight, before then swerving later, try playing the swerve shot as you would normally, only strike the top right or the north-eastern part of the cue ball.
You'll start by thinking you can't do that, because the cue tip will be in the way of the forward moving cue ball, and therein lies the mind bender of the problem, that will drive you mad trying, but it can be done, I can do it, nearly every time, LOL I've practised doing so, so often LOL..
Imagine the dislikes are for spilling the beans...
Make a video about border shorts
Great video
You are wrong about the top spin of there is an angle.
There are no excuses in snooker, the balls go where you put them i.e the white ball (you control where it goes!)
how old ru fella?
32
He's seeing about transmitting spin because he needs to shoot round cushions
I know you are a very good player but why are you not in the big leagues? Are you not interested?
At 0:34 you set the baulk wrong
The video is called Snooker Mistakes and that was the point of it
Please don't talk about the things you don't know. Spin transfer is massively used in banking in pool. Any decent bank pool player will tell you that. Even cutting the ball transfers some spin to it. Which is enough to miss a bank shot. Try doubling the ball with stun shot with and without side. Ps. With stun the most spin is transfered.
Also the first black you did was potable without spin. Straight ball. The way you lined it up. You just played to miss it no matter what.
Possibly I did try to put it in the right place when standing on the other side of the table. So I don’t know how accurately I placed it
What the hell with your camera? Put it in the trash and never ever shoot snooker with it
The whites smaller.
Spin Ball is way too big I forgot how big snooker balls are supposed to be when I bought it
Interesting vid but title is totes misleading.