0:00 : Sonic Adventure (DC) 0:19 : F-Zero X (N64) 0:23 : Waverave 64 (N64)(In the background) 0:30 : Contra (NES) 0:33 : Genie Hero Wataru (魔神英雄伝ワタル) (PC Engine) 0:48 : Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon (N64)(Bottom left), Super Puzzle Fighter II (Top right), Super Mario All Stars (SNES)(Bottom right) 1:23 : Alisia Dragoon (GENESIS) 1:35 : IN THE HUNT (PS1) 1:59 : Monster in My Pocket (NES) 2:15 : Starfox 64 (N64) 2:23 : Super Adventure Island (SNES) 2:42 : Waverave 64 (N64) 2:49 : Super Star Wars (Triology)(SNES) 2:54 : Contra: Hard Corps 3:33 : Journey to Silius (NES) 3:36 : Ninja Spirit (TurboGrafx-16) 3:51 : Tales of Symphonia (PS2/GC) 3:58 : Timesplitters 2 (PS2) 4:11 : Ehrgeiz: God Bless the Ring (PS1) 4:42 : Final Fantasy Origins (PS1) 5:10 : The Ninja Warriors (SNES) 5:36 : Grind Stormer (Arcade)(Unsure, it looks very similar, but a few things are off) 5:45 : Puzzle Fighter 2 (PS1) 5:52 : Kid Niki: Radical Ninja (NES) 6:22 : Gaiares (GENESIS) 7:06 : Parasol Stars: The Story of Bubble Bobble III (パラソルスター) (PC Engine) 7:25 : El Viento (GENESIS) 7:35 : Legend of Dragoon (PS1) 7:44 : Sonic The Hedgehog (GENESIS) 7:51 : Blaster Master (NES) 8:05 : Shining Force (1 or 2)(GENESIS) 8:15 : Nights into Dreams (Dreamcast) 8:19 : F-Zero X (N64) 8:30 : Bonk's Adventure (GENESIS) 8:41 : Darkwing Duck (NES) 8:53 : Psycho Fox (Master System) 9:06 : The Legend of Zelda: Ocorina of Time (N64) 9:37 : (Same as 9:06) 10:10 : Gauntlet Legends (N64) 10:08 : Super Star Soldier (TurboGrafx-16) 10:22 : Super Mario Bros 3 (NES) 10:50 : Clash at Demonhead (NES) 11:33 : Saga Frontier (PS1) 11:56 : Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time (SNES) 12:06 : www.reddit.com/r/tipofmyjoystick/comments/hk6cm4/snes199x_snes_rpg/ 12:20 : Aladdin (SNES) 12:37 : Sin And Punishment (N64) 12:54 : Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (PS1) 13:28 : F-Zero (SNES) 13:52 : Felix the Cat (NES) 14:23 : Metroid Prime (GameCube) 14:51 : Soul Calibur 2 (GC,PS2,XBOX) 15:46 : Einhänder (PS1) 15:58 : Super Monkey Ball (Gamecube) 16:20 : Dragon Quest VIII - Journey of the Cursed King (PS2) 16:41 : Illbleed (DreamCast) 17:08 : Jet Force Gemini (N64) 17:30 : Wario's Woods (NES) 17:51 : Ristar (GENESIS) 18:02 : Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu (NES) 18:11 : Lester the Unlikely (SNES) 18:20 : Spyro 3: Year of the Dragon (PS1) 19:00 : MediEvil (PS1) 19:46 : www.reddit.com/r/tipofmyjoystick/comments/hk726v/ps1199x_ps1_platformer/ 20:04 : The Battle of Olympus (NES) 20:10 : Spider-Man vs. The Kingpin (GENESIS) 20:15 : Cruis'n Exotica (N64) 20:23 : Resident Evil 1 Remake (GameCube) 20:56 : Rastan (Master System) 21:02 : Katamari Damacy (PS2) 21:22 : Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (NES) 21:29 : Comix Zone (GENESIS) 21:34 : The Ninja Warriors (SNES) 21:50 : Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (PS1) Credit goes to: Me (DWD) Special thanks goes to these Reddit users from r/tipofmyjoystick u/MagicalHopStep u/Holt12345 u/Delition u/SuperD00perGuyd00d u/WeepingIWillow u/thenerfviking PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES!
One game in particular that they've used a lot over the years is Drill Dozer on the GBA. I always thought it looked so good and so fun and it took me forever to find the name! I do like that at the very least they put basic music credits at the end of the video, but footage credits in a top or bottom corner or at the end sorted by console would also be amazing.
I can shed some light on the 7.5 IRE stuff and why it all looks dark on your screens! IRE is a measurement of brightness in an analog video signal. The brighter the color, the higher the IRE. In NTSC-M, which is the type of NTSC we use in the states, we define 100 IRE as being pure white, and 7.5 IRE as being pure black. NTSC-J, which is the type of NTSC used in Japan, also uses 100 IRE for pure white, but they use 0 IRE for pure black. This means that Japanese NTSC video has slightly better dynamic range than elsewhere in the world. However, this means that if you connect an NTSC-M device (Say a U.S. NES) to an NTSC-J monitor, your picture will look washed out, as nothing will be actually black. The 7.5 IRE setting seems to be darkening the picture to account for that. How good the Koryuu is at that conversion is unknown to me. If you read online about using Japanese electronics on US TVs (or the other way around), lots of people just say to change the brightness or contrast, and that might be all the Koryuu is doing; I don't know. However, changing brightness and contrast isn't a proper solution. NTSC-M and NTSC-J both use 100 IRE as white, and changing the contrast or brightness to the whole image would fix the blacks, but clip the whites (as they would jump up to 107.5 IRE, which is no good). To properly convert the signal, you'd need to change the brightness exponentially; the most in the shadows, some in the mid tones, a tiny bit in the highlights, and not at all at pure white. If the Koryuu is doing that proper conversion, that's a very slick trick! However, since you are using the Koryuu with NTSC-M monitors, when that setting is on, it's sending an overly darkened signal, resulting in the bad picture you saw. This whole thing is made much more complicated by the fact that modern digital monitors, even those in the states, can go darker than 7.5 IRE, and brighter than 100 IRE. Brightness on a digital display isn't measured in IRE, but rather on a scale of 0-255 (at least for 8 bit monitors). 0 being the darkest the TV can go and 255 being full brightness. On a properly calibrated digital display, 7.5 IRE is equivalent to 16, and 100 IRE is equivalent 235. However, PCs can output from 0-255. This is why modern TVs almost always have a setting for "Limited range" and "full range". Some TVs call this "Limited and enhanced" or "Standard and PC" or something along those lines. When set to Limited, the TV treats everything below 16 (remember, that's equivalent to 7.5 IRE) as pure black, resulting in a muddy image if your signal contains details below that threshold. With your Koryuu + OSSC setup, you could probably set that 7.5 IRE setting on, set the OSSC to full range, and set your TV to full range, and those details would be restored in the picture, although it would still be improperly dark. TLDR: The 7.5 IRE setting on the Koryuu is for playing American video games on a Japanese monitor. Source: I own an audio-video preservation and archiving company.
It's also worth adding that professional monitors like the PVMs MLIG uses have menu settings to select either 0 or 7.5 IRE for video/composite and YC inputs. This option is likely not available in most consumer CRTs though.
A lot of great information to know here! I've thought of getting the RetroTINK-2X from time to time, but never really took the plunge. I actually didn't know it couldn't handle 480p input, unfortunately.
Very excited for my 2X-Pro to come in. It might not be the endgame of quality video, but it's a hell of a lot better than the $30 all-in-one cables or, god forbid, raw composite/s-video. Thanks for the video guys!
After watching your original video on the RetroTINK 2x several times and never quite making up my mind, I finally bought the Pro version about a month ago. I was already happy with it for composite use, but today the generic S-video cables I ordered just arrived, and I am shocked at what a difference they make on the SNES. Never expected unmodded original hardware to look this good on my TV! Now I just wish my NES had S-video output, heh.
Congratulations to the content of the channel, all the production of the video and the quality of the soundtrack leave me for hours watching, sorry my english i'm Brazilian and i'm here every day thanks.
I still love the quality I get from my original Tink2X Classic. I get great quality when using in combination with the RetroTink's RGB2COMP transcoder. Really clean and sharp.
I have my OSSC which I love for all my retro RGB mods I made or native RGB consoles and Dreamcast VGA, along with my Marantz SR5010 which is for sound, but also like how it handles and de interlaces 480i PS2 signals (along with newer component and HDMI things- OG Xbox/Wii and newer), but then there's the odd duck....my poor little Panasonic 3DO (first model). The best it has is S-video output...so for a while I was screwed until I found out about the Retro Tink 2X. It really does help round out that area (and also use it for composite Intellivsion/Atari 2600 mods I installed), thanks a ton Mike Chi!
Look up a Chrome or Firefox extension called "Adnauseum". Just activate the three switches when you first install the application, and adjust from there in the settings. After that, you won't have to deal with ads anymore. Just remember to install it as a Dev package, or activate dev mode in chrome browsers when installing it. Because they have removed it from the chropme web store for 2 years now. But the website has an API file you can install or the entire github zip file package you can install when opening up the folder of the entirety of Adnauseum. When you do the zip file version, click on install add-on in the dev version, find the adnauseum chrome version unzipped, double click on the folder, then don't go into the other folders, just press add at the bottom of the window, and it'll add the program itself into your extensions. Any questions? let me know via this email: Coastermaker@yandex.com. You're welcome. As for the firefox version, just install it from the firefox web store and install it. You can also do it in the install add-on dev version of it if you choose so, but it's not needed in firefox. For chrome, yeah you'll have to go through those steps.
Thanks for opening my eyes to the Koryu. I have a small trinitron that has a component input but no s-video for some reason, and now I can at least consider hooking my n64 into it.
FWIW, I just received the Retro Access snes/n64 S-video cable yesterday, and the cabling feels very durable and the signal looks very nice and did not have noticeable noise from what I saw. It is super annoying to order because the person only takes enough orders for the week and seems to "sell out" within minutes of opening orders up on sunday mornings, but it was worth it for the wait imo.
Considering it's a store run by two people as far as I know, they get slammed with orders. They have a lot of requests to fulfill, and that doesn't include other obligations they may or may not have during the week. Their stuff is in high demand, and unfortunately they have to limit their orders. At least their store is open for an hour now, instead of five minutes. The quality is top notch though. I have a SNES cable I've been using from them, and ordered a Saturn and PS1 cable last week after seeing the results. They definitely know what they're doing.
I'm just getting around to this video. I have to say, your mini presentation has cleaned up a lot since you guys started it. Love the more smooth extemporaneous delivery.
Man, I've been waiting for this video! I was already really considering the RetroTink 2x when I first saw your guys' video covering it awhile ago, but as soon as I saw that the RetroTink 2x Pro was announced, I was really excited! And after seeing this video, I do think I'm going to get a RetroTink 2x Pro both for myself as well as for my friend just because he streams quite a bit. Also just to give him something nicer than a generic composite to HDMI adapter, but I am excited to give him one since at one point he said he did want to stream Super Contra with me! I'm also considering getting RetroTink's 2x SCART just to dip my toes a bit into RGB! It also helps that I'm starting to find cables for RGB output that aren't all that expensive either! Great video and I'm excited for more Analogue Frontier as well as more 200 series!
[Try4ce] These devices are great for getting your feet wet with this stuff. Be warned about super cheap RGB cables though! They're usually not very well made and can have visual artifacts and audio buzz. I mean, a $10 SCART might get you started, but if you're unhappy with it and end up buying a $30 cable, you've spent $40 when you could've just spent $30 to begin with.
@@mylifeingaming I am aware of things like that, but I was referring to insurrection industry's Scart cables as well as RetroAccess cables in particular.
Nice video! Wanted to mention some things talked about here. 1) I can confirm the N64 S-video cable from Retro Access is great quality. I own one and the picture is super clean. I also have one of those combo composite & s-video cables for it (says it's for the Gamecube and N64) and it's garbage. It's actually sending the composite signal through the s-video plug! You get a comic book effect of alternating pixels being solid black. 2) At least in the case of the RetroTINK-2X Classic, which I own (latest revision, 3.2), you can toggle it to output full range by holding down the top button (the one that changes between passthrough, 2x, and smoothing) while you plug in the power to it, but it will only output full range while it's on and does not retain that on power cycles. By default, as you said, it's partial range. Maybe the Pro does something like this?
Long live the RetroTINK-2X! I love my Framemeister and gscartsw setup, but I'd have been very happy and several hundred dollars richer if the RetroTINK existed a little sooner.
@A Gentleman True, the Framemeister unquestionably owns the 480i space. The sixth-generation consoles (and Wii) are gorgeous on it. I've got no regrets and definitely won't be tearing the setup down. Though since I'm spoiled with having both as an option, I'm considering moving the Genesis and maybe the Saturn over to composite and the RetroTINK.
I got the koryuu last month purely so I can ditch the 14” Philips monitor I use solely for the C64, everything else only takes RGB as I don’t have a composite card for my BVM... I must say I’m really impressed with has the C64 looks through the OSSC on the big screen, think I actually prefer it over the BVM picture😳
You guys did a great job at showcasing the (subtle?) differences between the RetroTink 2x Pro and the Koryuu Transcoder. I currently still occasionally use my Framemeister for certain things, but have for awhile been looking to get something that does a better job at representing Composite/S-Video signals from my older consoles, as well as having very quick "Mode" switching for games that switch video modes mid-game. I've been on the fence on whether or not to pick up a RetroTink 2x (now called the RetroTink 2x Classic), but I think that I'll be picking up a RetorTink 2x Pro when I next get payed. I agree that there are certain visual effects that are lost when playing a Sega Genesis console through anything above Composite, which will be better represented with either the RetroTink 2x Pro or the Koryuu Transcoder. Stay safe and keep the videos rolling. Cheers!
I just picked up the Retrovision cables at the end of last year and it made a world of difference with Sega 8-bit and 16-bit. I am getting the Retrotink 2xPro very soon to enjoy NES and other systems. Its all for the further enjoyment of old systems. If a more effective way to display old composite signals comes along, lets hope they remain semi-affordable.
Hi guys! Thanks for another valuable video. I've been looking to compliment my n64 with ossc after koryuu's release without modding it, and it's nice to actually see the effects. Have you thought about uploading your videos at 4k on youtube? Doing my own videos I noticed a clear increase in quality despite the source material being 1080p when I made it 4k and uploaded to youtube. Seems like even at 1080p youtube is doing a lot of less flattering things to the video you upload. So even though your video was 1080p, uploading it at 4k makes it look better on youtube. Forces it to get around the algorithms. I'm looking forward to OSSC firmware update in the future adding some better filters for koryuu fed signals to improve the look of it. As it stands it looks like ossc's upscaler and filter are great when you have a clean signal, simply beautiful, but with those low quality signals those filters and scalers don't leave the most pleasing image. Like with Ocarina of Time sample on this video the detail and colors were much more impressive on s-video, but the image itself was more pleasing on composite. Just something to hide that noise a bit. And for n64 some kind of smoothening blur could definitely help. Or perhaps koryuu's own filters could do that? That firmware update connection looks terrible though, hopefully they'll upgrade the box to use something like OSSC's sd card system.
I'm glad you touched on S-video cables. I remember making the mistake with this multi console S-video cable that had a yellow cable for composite. Glad I found a better one for my N64 now
Honestly, I'm not so lucky with mine. I pretty much have to make do with a cheap cable for the N64. It's not perfect, but because I have a PAL N64, and what I got was specifically designed for it, I don't have much choice unless I want to RGB mod it.
I actually just got the retro-access S-Video Nintendo cable. Its good (nothing mind blowing far as I can see). I got it because the cost of the HD Retrovision component cables were simply more than I was willing to spend on some cables.
[Try4ce] I mean, S-video has a ceiling on quality, for sure, but given how many BAD S-video cables are out there for Nintendo systems, we're really glad Retro Access is making them.
@@mylifeingaming yes that is true. I had looked at some my local retro store had (seems to be a white label brand as I see the same box with different names on the internet). The cables were shockingly thin and likely had no internal shielding either. I will say the biggest difference I noticed was in text. Its much crisper on S-video compared to composite.
I can't wait until there is a comparison video with the RetroTINK Pro and the RetroTINK Multi with it's 480p passthough. What I am most concerned about is the sacrifice that Mike had to do for the Multi's passthough hardware. I read that images are now slightly softened as a result of the new hardware locking into the vertical bilinear filter. I'm wondering if the softening of NES, SNES, and N64 composite & s-video signals is a deal breaker for wanting to play my Gamecube and PS2 480p content games. (yes I still have my GC component cable.)
I was about to pull the trigger on the Koryu as a solution to get Svideo into my BVM (lack of y/c input card) when I saw you mentioned about incorrect fields for 480i. Guess I'll wait for them to fix that.
Great video as always! The Koryuu is tempting. I wish it wasn't so expensive because I'd really only use it for GameCube and maybe Dreamcast at this point.
I was hunting for a good crt to play ps2 on when my boyfriend got me an mCable as a gift instead. I think it's a cool piece of tech but I had to break it to him that it has a few too many problems for me to use it for that purpose. I think it's better just to clean up nintendo switch games than for retro stuff. What do you guys think about it?
Predictable Enigma Aww at least he got you something even though it wasn’t really what you wanted, hopefully it’s good for your switch use! And good luck finding a good CRT. :)
I feel like every kind of product like this has it's own set of benefits and drawbacks. I'm not the most well-versed on how it all works so I don't know if it'd be possible, but I wish there was just one option that had it all in one. And I mean that wouldn't necessarily kill demand for the other products, as it would obviously be more expensive. People just looking for the simplest solution would still go for the cheapest option. Personally, I just wish the OSSC supported S-Video, because the lowest quality video source I want one of these for would be an unmodded N64 and having a whole other device just for that, whether it be the RetroTINK or Koryuu, seems like too much of a bother. I do prefer the look of the Koryuu, and I think it'll get even better overtime with updates. The RetroTINK being easy to update through USB is a major advantage, though. Note: I learned immediately after typing and before posting this that the OSSC Pro will likely have S-Video and composite support, among a lot of other upgrades. Figured I'd still post the comment anyway lmao
I am surprised you never mentioned the Retrotink 2x SCART version! Was this not in scope ? It's an amazing device for a simple plug and play RGB to HDMI solution.
[Try4ce] The reality is that we don't have one! It might have come up briefly in our conversation, but I forget. If so, it was cut for time reasons. After all, the focus on this video was on what to do with composite and S-video signals, and as such we didn't really even talk about (or show) the 2X Pro's component capabilities.
@@mylifeingaming yes good point ! I was lucky to get hold of one (imported to the UK) before it went out of stock. I don't see it being mentioned much and if it comes back in stock I think it is really worth highlighting to people especially for its ease of use and price point in a future video maybe.
[Try4ce] Oh of course it is. It's probably a ways off though, I have to admit. There are a lot of variations that use different video encoders, and to be honest I know very little about RGB on the system (do all regions support RGB?). We have a lot to learn about it, and are more prepared to tackle other systems sooner than later, like Dreamcast and Wii.
The Nintendo-compatible cables with composite and S-Video aren't just crappy... they're almost always wired incorrectly. They connect Chroma to CVBS. You can tell because they will work on an unmodified SNS-101 that normally doesn't support S-Video. This is why you see diagonal lines of interference wherever you see large areas of normally-solid colors. I think they did this on purpose so the same cable would appear to work with SNS-101 and PAL N64s, which lets retailers avoid returns.
Would the Retrotink be able to allow a non-interlaced computer monitor to display from systems like the Super Nintendo, Gamecube, or even the PSP Go? If given a VGA to HDMI adapter of course.
Late to the video. Hope u guys are staying safe in these crazy times. I'm hoping a few deep dives of developer focused videos ala Atlus, Platinum, Treasure, etc might be worthy of their own videos. Especially with some recent and upcoming releases from these folks. Cheers
as always great video I'm persanoly love s-video on saturn and ps1 more than rgb, especially in resident evil games and silent hill (can say it about almost all early polygon graphics games on every systems) on ps1 s-video image much smoother than rgb, rgb is great in 2d games, on genesis I love rgb but I love water effects in sonic games via composite the same situation with shadows in comix zone and lion kings backgrounds, so I can't say that composite and s-video give bad image
I have all these in the RAD2X Cables > PS1 > Genesis Model2 > N64 > PCEngine > Saturn One thing to remember, they are not the sharpest Analog to digital converters out there ( If you are after crisp pixels ) What i like is they get the job done properly and give you the ability to connect to HDMI display devices.
Anyone who uses matrix switchers and breakout cables with S-Video will want to know this: The RetroTINK-2X Pro will except a color signal through the blue jack.
Cool video. I will check out that improved Nintendo s video cable for my n64. I already think it looks pretty good through the retro tink 2x with a cheap one I got on Amazon.
As the owner of a Retrotink classic, the Koryuu doesn't seen to offer exactly a great value. I guess it has its audience on the ossc user base, but it doesn't really do much for me
It really just matters for someone scaling to 4x or 5x, and even that gets tricky with OSSC and TV compatibility. But yeah I own the 2x pro and the ossc and I'll probably just continue using the 2x pro for my composite/S-video needs. It's so much simpler to use that I try to use it over the ossc when I can. I love the 2x pros smoothing feature for early 3d titles as well.
Thanks! FWIW, it's the perfect add-on if you already own an OSSC. I think the quality of 3x/4x/5x composite is debatable, but Line5x S-video looks damn close to RGB.
@@ValkyrieTiara it definitely seems to be a device purely for those who want to or already own an OSSC. I wanted to able to use my NES and N64 on my big screen TV without them looking like total crap so this duo accomplishes that perfectly. Sure it's not as nice as RGB but those console mods are pretty expensive.
@@ttvCarn If all you want is to play NES and N64 games on your HD display without going RGB, I would recommend the retrotink. It's MUCH cheaper than ossc + koryuu (by about $100). But if there are other features of the OSSC that you want so you'd buy (or already have) one anyway, then yeah the koryuu is the better option.
Im probably going to stick to my retrotink classic since scanlines aren't necessarily something I'm looking for, and I'm not using a 480i console on it to smooth out the interlacing. Thanks for putting this video out though, as for a while I was having trouble figuring out what the true differences were between the classic and the pro.
I wish you guys would do a video of the best way to hook a modern console or pc to a crt monitor or tv without hdmi. Ideally the best vga or component solutions
[Try4ce] Some would disagree that makes it easier to listen to, but this is an "MLiG Mini," which is our unscripted series. We will continue to do both styles, this is just a way to get something out on a subject in less time than it takes us to do scripted videos. But most people are subscribed to is for scripted content, so that's still our main thing, but we'll do these in between regular episodes.
Composite video is ok on an older crt under 20-27"( for the nes or below). Beyond that s-video is needed at the bare minimum, whether it be for a 32"+ crt or an hd display fed through the proper transcoder/upscaler. I have seen some newer 4k tvs take a composite nes signal and display it ok but didn't check the lag it took to do it. I honestly just run my nes and 2600 to a 27" consumer crt, while all other consoles go to that and also, a vga crt and a 4k samsung through the ossc.
[Try4ce] Coury uses PEXHDCAP60L, I use a Magewell card, and we both also use the AVerMedia Live Gamer 4K. All accept 960p and usually even do fine with 1200p from the OSSC.
So I've watched a few videos on the retrotink 2x now and they all say the same thing, don't run multiple consoles through this one box. So then I'm curious, what is the point of this thing when retrotink still offers singular boxes that fit whatever connection method you have with your single system? Be it composite, s video, component, etc, they sell boxes that will do convert and clean up the signal from your console to your tv for around 60 bucks. Is it just purely the "bonus" things like scan lines filter? I'm just struggling see the need for these 2x and 4x boxes. Thanks!
[Try4ce] Well you can hook up whatever you want into the 5X, which is massively more advanced. The single cables are a separate product that Mike licensed out using his tech, but they aren't his products really, so that might be where your confusion comes in. You can hook up multiple things into the 2X with a switcher, but yeah it can cause image quality loss in some scenarios. Personally when I use my 2X devices, it's for a quick and easy temporary setup, and it's nice to be able to do that with any system, rather than just what I have a cable for.
I recently got an OSSC and a Koryuu to accompany it and I can confirm that there is something wrong with the 480i from the Koryuu. If I feed 240p from S-Video into the Koryuu then channel the Koryuu's output into the OSSC it works very nicely, but as soon as the OSSC gets 480i from the Koryuu it does not work at all. This problem persists constantly with my 3DO since it only outputs 480i and occasionally on my N64, PlayStation and Saturn (the common trio that have games switching between 240p and 480i). Games on those systems that use 480i for cutscenes and menus will be dropped on the OSSC as soon as the game hits those particular parts, then comes back when 240p is enabled. The OSSC itself shows signs of an unstable sync signal only from Koryuu-type 480i due to the LED being red and the screen on the OSSC going nuts. I know its not the OSSC because when I feed it 480i directly from my PS2 and Xbox (all official component connections) the OSSC takes it no questions asked. I'm honestly surprised you two got 480i to work from the Koryuu into your OSSC, perhaps its also a mixture of the other pieces of equipment that I have in my setup (several Extron switchers). Oddly enough, my CRT has no issues with the Koryuu on any video mode. The S-Video jack on my CRT is a bit wonky so I wanted the Koryuu to bypass it by using the Component jacks instead. 480i from the Koryuu into my CRT has a bit more flicker than normal, but it displays it none the less. Hopefully the makers of the Koryuu come up with an update to fix this as its a pretty crippling issue at the moment. Have either of you two experienced these issues or something similar with the Koryuu?
I would have loved a focus on the Nes & Turbo Duo for consoles that composite is their best display without modding as well as the N64, Atari Jaguar, Panasonic 3DO, and the Philips cdi with S Video being their best output currently without modding. I know the Jaguar is Rgb capable out of the box but I don't know of any Component cable for it yet. Would love if HD Retrovision made one for the Jaguar.
9:43 Try: **says a bunch of stuff** What I hear: "When you're cycling through the mode buttons, if you push the button it'll be the first one for the thing that you're on but you can push it more and if you're on the other one and push it it'll be on a different one so push it and it'll be on the first one and it'll cycle through if you push it and don't be on the wrong one cause it'll be too dark if you push it so make sure you're on the right one so you get the correct brightness." Me: "Push it till it looks good. Got it."
[Try4ce] You're right, though! I should say "press button until it looks good" more often, I was definitely trying to say too much for something pretty simple.
Great video,looks like a great product,now lets work on getting a RGB input,so we can use our arcade pcbs,neo geo mvs,i truly believe there a market for it,and make so u could use a regular crt tv or lcd/led or such.
@@mylifeingaming thanks for the reply, maybe u guys could do a video showing the hook up and game play using an mvs and or a n arcade pcb on regular lcd.once again ,thanks for the reply.
I've got to say owning the retrotink-2x pro and an ossc has been nothing short of useful. They're both good at what they are intended to do and I feel like scaling composite or s-video above 2x would show the flaws in those input formats. So I do like that the retrotink tells me sweet little lies about those inputs to make them more easy on the eyes while I have a feeling that the koryuu would have been too brutally honest about those formats and ended up with me RGB modding a non-easily RGB modifiable N64 and NES.
Nice Video- did you chance something in the Production? No more Telepromter? Something about your skript/voice sounds different greetings from Germany 👍🏻
[Try4ce] "MLiG Mini" is an unscripted series from us. We started doing a couple of them later last year. Our regular episodes will still be scripted, because that's what most people like from us, but this is just a way to get our thoughts on smaller topics out there while spending less time on production. It's not meant to get too much in the way of producing our regular episodes.
Not likely considering the retrotink2x line of devices relies on a chip set that doesnt support 480p. That said the playstation rad2x should work fine with the ps2. It'll just be bob deinterlacing 480i to 480p, which isnt a huge compromise when you take into account a majority of the ps2 library is 480i anyway.
I think I'm getting the problem you're seeing on pvms with the koryuu on the retrotink 2x pro but only on my capture card. Occasionally the sound screws up too . Swapping inputs on my hdmi switcher fixes it but sometimes it takes a few tries.
[Try4ce] With composite video, yes. It's a characteristic of the Genesis's awful composite video output, but many developers did make lemonade with it, so to speak.
11:35 Is this showing that composite and s-video straight to a CRT looks better than composite and s-video to the Koryuu and then out via component into a CRT???
[Try4ce] It was sent as a sample (along with a few others) from a company called Displate. Perfect timing since I was building a new retro room / set. We have an affiliate link with them (also in the description) that includes links to the Displates that I've got hung up: displate.com/mylifeingaming
MLiG can you do a video about finding the best image quality on Genesis that still uses color dithering? I already have the OSSC, but I also want to be able to fully enjoy the waterfalls in Sonic and color dithering was heavily used in both Earthworm Jim games - emulation in my experience can't properly blend the colors together, so this is an odd case where I REALLY need to use the hardware to get the most desired picture...sure a lot of the time I plan to use RGB, but I'd like to know what device does the best color blending, but also has clarity. I don't know if you can get the color blending on S-Video either. I originally was going to get the RetroTink, but now the Koryuu looks REALLY good. It'd be a nice to have a comparison of those and any other methods you'd suggest for getting the color blending due to dithering on HD TVs!
[Try4ce] The only way to really get it that way is to just use composite video. S-video won't do it. But the effect works on a CRT or through RetroTINK or Koryuu.
I use my RetroTink2X (classic) to line double Component to my CRT. It looks amazing. I was interested in what the difference between limited and full was. Do you guys have a picture for us to see the difference?
[Try4ce] There is no difference when Limited and Full are properly handled. Watch this for an explanation of Limited Range and Full Range. th-cam.com/video/dym6XD3-8qw/w-d-xo.html Basically they're just different standards for where the cutoff points in the signal are for the brightest white and the darkest black. If your display is set for the correct standard, then they should look identical. Full Range is handy for us though because since the OSSC is always Full Range, then we don't have to change our capture card settings when using the RetroTINK-2X Pro (but we do have to change the settings for the Classic, and then back again for the OSSC).
I heard that N64 pal S-Video is rare and leaves a bit to be desired than NTSC and some of the models don't natively support that input. I'm to curious about that Retro Access S VIdeo Cable for N64 with the Pal N64.
0:00 : Sonic Adventure (DC)
0:19 : F-Zero X (N64)
0:23 : Waverave 64 (N64)(In the background)
0:30 : Contra (NES)
0:33 : Genie Hero Wataru (魔神英雄伝ワタル) (PC Engine)
0:48 : Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon (N64)(Bottom left), Super Puzzle Fighter II (Top right), Super Mario All Stars (SNES)(Bottom right)
1:23 : Alisia Dragoon (GENESIS)
1:35 : IN THE HUNT (PS1)
1:59 : Monster in My Pocket (NES)
2:15 : Starfox 64 (N64)
2:23 : Super Adventure Island (SNES)
2:42 : Waverave 64 (N64)
2:49 : Super Star Wars (Triology)(SNES)
2:54 : Contra: Hard Corps
3:33 : Journey to Silius (NES)
3:36 : Ninja Spirit (TurboGrafx-16)
3:51 : Tales of Symphonia (PS2/GC)
3:58 : Timesplitters 2 (PS2)
4:11 : Ehrgeiz: God Bless the Ring (PS1)
4:42 : Final Fantasy Origins (PS1)
5:10 : The Ninja Warriors (SNES)
5:36 : Grind Stormer (Arcade)(Unsure, it looks very similar, but a few things are off)
5:45 : Puzzle Fighter 2 (PS1)
5:52 : Kid Niki: Radical Ninja (NES)
6:22 : Gaiares (GENESIS)
7:06 : Parasol Stars: The Story of Bubble Bobble III (パラソルスター) (PC Engine)
7:25 : El Viento (GENESIS)
7:35 : Legend of Dragoon (PS1)
7:44 : Sonic The Hedgehog (GENESIS)
7:51 : Blaster Master (NES)
8:05 : Shining Force (1 or 2)(GENESIS)
8:15 : Nights into Dreams (Dreamcast)
8:19 : F-Zero X (N64)
8:30 : Bonk's Adventure (GENESIS)
8:41 : Darkwing Duck (NES)
8:53 : Psycho Fox (Master System)
9:06 : The Legend of Zelda: Ocorina of Time (N64)
9:37 : (Same as 9:06)
10:10 : Gauntlet Legends (N64)
10:08 : Super Star Soldier (TurboGrafx-16)
10:22 : Super Mario Bros 3 (NES)
10:50 : Clash at Demonhead (NES)
11:33 : Saga Frontier (PS1)
11:56 : Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time (SNES)
12:06 : www.reddit.com/r/tipofmyjoystick/comments/hk6cm4/snes199x_snes_rpg/
12:20 : Aladdin (SNES)
12:37 : Sin And Punishment (N64)
12:54 : Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (PS1)
13:28 : F-Zero (SNES)
13:52 : Felix the Cat (NES)
14:23 : Metroid Prime (GameCube)
14:51 : Soul Calibur 2 (GC,PS2,XBOX)
15:46 : Einhänder (PS1)
15:58 : Super Monkey Ball (Gamecube)
16:20 : Dragon Quest VIII - Journey of the Cursed King (PS2)
16:41 : Illbleed (DreamCast)
17:08 : Jet Force Gemini (N64)
17:30 : Wario's Woods (NES)
17:51 : Ristar (GENESIS)
18:02 : Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu (NES)
18:11 : Lester the Unlikely (SNES)
18:20 : Spyro 3: Year of the Dragon (PS1)
19:00 : MediEvil (PS1)
19:46 : www.reddit.com/r/tipofmyjoystick/comments/hk726v/ps1199x_ps1_platformer/
20:04 : The Battle of Olympus (NES)
20:10 : Spider-Man vs. The Kingpin (GENESIS)
20:15 : Cruis'n Exotica (N64)
20:23 : Resident Evil 1 Remake (GameCube)
20:56 : Rastan (Master System)
21:02 : Katamari Damacy (PS2)
21:22 : Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (NES)
21:29 : Comix Zone (GENESIS)
21:34 : The Ninja Warriors (SNES)
21:50 : Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (PS1)
Credit goes to:
Me (DWD)
Special thanks goes to these Reddit users from r/tipofmyjoystick
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u/Holt12345
u/Delition
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u/WeepingIWillow
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PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES!
Nights into Dreams is a Saturn game not Dreamcast
Wave Race 64 not Waverave, and *Ocarina* of Time, not Ocorina
5:36 is DonPachi on the PS1
i wish u guys would start putting the game name in the bottom of the frame when u show a game would be awsome thankxz for the vids guys
Don't you like the mystery?
badreality2 no
That's a great idea
One game in particular that they've used a lot over the years is Drill Dozer on the GBA. I always thought it looked so good and so fun and it took me forever to find the name! I do like that at the very least they put basic music credits at the end of the video, but footage credits in a top or bottom corner or at the end sorted by console would also be amazing.
Yeah, this would help in identifying a game we may not be familiar with that looks good.
I can shed some light on the 7.5 IRE stuff and why it all looks dark on your screens! IRE is a measurement of brightness in an analog video signal. The brighter the color, the higher the IRE. In NTSC-M, which is the type of NTSC we use in the states, we define 100 IRE as being pure white, and 7.5 IRE as being pure black. NTSC-J, which is the type of NTSC used in Japan, also uses 100 IRE for pure white, but they use 0 IRE for pure black. This means that Japanese NTSC video has slightly better dynamic range than elsewhere in the world. However, this means that if you connect an NTSC-M device (Say a U.S. NES) to an NTSC-J monitor, your picture will look washed out, as nothing will be actually black. The 7.5 IRE setting seems to be darkening the picture to account for that. How good the Koryuu is at that conversion is unknown to me. If you read online about using Japanese electronics on US TVs (or the other way around), lots of people just say to change the brightness or contrast, and that might be all the Koryuu is doing; I don't know. However, changing brightness and contrast isn't a proper solution. NTSC-M and NTSC-J both use 100 IRE as white, and changing the contrast or brightness to the whole image would fix the blacks, but clip the whites (as they would jump up to 107.5 IRE, which is no good). To properly convert the signal, you'd need to change the brightness exponentially; the most in the shadows, some in the mid tones, a tiny bit in the highlights, and not at all at pure white. If the Koryuu is doing that proper conversion, that's a very slick trick! However, since you are using the Koryuu with NTSC-M monitors, when that setting is on, it's sending an overly darkened signal, resulting in the bad picture you saw.
This whole thing is made much more complicated by the fact that modern digital monitors, even those in the states, can go darker than 7.5 IRE, and brighter than 100 IRE. Brightness on a digital display isn't measured in IRE, but rather on a scale of 0-255 (at least for 8 bit monitors). 0 being the darkest the TV can go and 255 being full brightness. On a properly calibrated digital display, 7.5 IRE is equivalent to 16, and 100 IRE is equivalent 235. However, PCs can output from 0-255. This is why modern TVs almost always have a setting for "Limited range" and "full range". Some TVs call this "Limited and enhanced" or "Standard and PC" or something along those lines. When set to Limited, the TV treats everything below 16 (remember, that's equivalent to 7.5 IRE) as pure black, resulting in a muddy image if your signal contains details below that threshold. With your Koryuu + OSSC setup, you could probably set that 7.5 IRE setting on, set the OSSC to full range, and set your TV to full range, and those details would be restored in the picture, although it would still be improperly dark.
TLDR: The 7.5 IRE setting on the Koryuu is for playing American video games on a Japanese monitor.
Source: I own an audio-video preservation and archiving company.
It's also worth adding that professional monitors like the PVMs MLIG uses have menu settings to select either 0 or 7.5 IRE for video/composite and YC inputs. This option is likely not available in most consumer CRTs though.
Jesus Brian, use more paragraphs. That was a slog to get through on a phone screen.
Thanks for the info though.
Tell me more about your company.
A lot of great information to know here! I've thought of getting the RetroTINK-2X from time to time, but never really took the plunge. I actually didn't know it couldn't handle 480p input, unfortunately.
the new one can
@@hgfhghghgfhfghgfhghg538 Which one is the new one?
@@harmleyten4 The 2X-Multiformat
@@flashuser777 yep i have it now, it works great
No wonder I can't find an affordable PVM when they're all in your house.
Very excited for my 2X-Pro to come in. It might not be the endgame of quality video, but it's a hell of a lot better than the $30 all-in-one cables or, god forbid, raw composite/s-video. Thanks for the video guys!
Better production quality than most TV shows these days! Good looks boys!
You guys deserve way more subscribers.
Yeah, their content is great and well informative.
After watching your original video on the RetroTINK 2x several times and never quite making up my mind, I finally bought the Pro version about a month ago. I was already happy with it for composite use, but today the generic S-video cables I ordered just arrived, and I am shocked at what a difference they make on the SNES. Never expected unmodded original hardware to look this good on my TV!
Now I just wish my NES had S-video output, heh.
Super excited to see your takes on the new Retrotink, been thinking of getting it.
YES a dedicated Composite/S-video video, thanks!
Heck yeah, a new MLiG to watch when the beer virus has cancelled my kid’s opening day for softball. Don’t know whether to be stoked or be bummed.
The people who disliked are rf fanboys.
Congratulations to the content of the channel, all the production of the video and the quality of the soundtrack leave me for hours watching, sorry my english i'm Brazilian and i'm here every day thanks.
I still love the quality I get from my original Tink2X Classic. I get great quality when using in combination with the RetroTink's RGB2COMP transcoder. Really clean and sharp.
There aren't enough videos talking about that great transcoder. I love mine to bits with my Trinitron. The Genesis looks so good.
I have my OSSC which I love for all my retro RGB mods I made or native RGB consoles and Dreamcast VGA, along with my Marantz SR5010 which is for sound, but also like how it handles and de interlaces 480i PS2 signals (along with newer component and HDMI things- OG Xbox/Wii and newer), but then there's the odd duck....my poor little Panasonic 3DO (first model). The best it has is S-video output...so for a while I was screwed until I found out about the Retro Tink 2X. It really does help round out that area (and also use it for composite Intellivsion/Atari 2600 mods I installed), thanks a ton Mike Chi!
I just had SIX ADS IN A ROW. We are literally back to the days of watching regular TV now
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As for the firefox version, just install it from the firefox web store and install it. You can also do it in the install add-on dev version of it if you choose so, but it's not needed in firefox. For chrome, yeah you'll have to go through those steps.
Thanks for opening my eyes to the Koryu. I have a small trinitron that has a component input but no s-video for some reason, and now I can at least consider hooking my n64 into it.
I use an SD CRT, but the Retrotink looks interesting if you only have an HDTV or monitor. I’d get the Pro for the scanlines.
True, and Retrotink is also great for those who use capture cards(like me).
FWIW, I just received the Retro Access snes/n64 S-video cable yesterday, and the cabling feels very durable and the signal looks very nice and did not have noticeable noise from what I saw. It is super annoying to order because the person only takes enough orders for the week and seems to "sell out" within minutes of opening orders up on sunday mornings, but it was worth it for the wait imo.
Also received mine yesterday. Amazing cable no audio buzz and great picture
Considering it's a store run by two people as far as I know, they get slammed with orders. They have a lot of requests to fulfill, and that doesn't include other obligations they may or may not have during the week. Their stuff is in high demand, and unfortunately they have to limit their orders. At least their store is open for an hour now, instead of five minutes.
The quality is top notch though. I have a SNES cable I've been using from them, and ordered a Saturn and PS1 cable last week after seeing the results. They definitely know what they're doing.
I'm just getting around to this video. I have to say, your mini presentation has cleaned up a lot since you guys started it. Love the more smooth extemporaneous delivery.
I recognize that PVM! Great stuff
Man, I've been waiting for this video! I was already really considering the RetroTink 2x when I first saw your guys' video covering it awhile ago, but as soon as I saw that the RetroTink 2x Pro was announced, I was really excited! And after seeing this video, I do think I'm going to get a RetroTink 2x Pro both for myself as well as for my friend just because he streams quite a bit. Also just to give him something nicer than a generic composite to HDMI adapter, but I am excited to give him one since at one point he said he did want to stream Super Contra with me! I'm also considering getting RetroTink's 2x SCART just to dip my toes a bit into RGB! It also helps that I'm starting to find cables for RGB output that aren't all that expensive either! Great video and I'm excited for more Analogue Frontier as well as more 200 series!
[Try4ce] These devices are great for getting your feet wet with this stuff. Be warned about super cheap RGB cables though! They're usually not very well made and can have visual artifacts and audio buzz. I mean, a $10 SCART might get you started, but if you're unhappy with it and end up buying a $30 cable, you've spent $40 when you could've just spent $30 to begin with.
@@mylifeingaming I am aware of things like that, but I was referring to insurrection industry's Scart cables as well as RetroAccess cables in particular.
[Try4ce] OK good! That's the right thing to do!
Nice video! Wanted to mention some things talked about here.
1) I can confirm the N64 S-video cable from Retro Access is great quality. I own one and the picture is super clean. I also have one of those combo composite & s-video cables for it (says it's for the Gamecube and N64) and it's garbage. It's actually sending the composite signal through the s-video plug! You get a comic book effect of alternating pixels being solid black.
2) At least in the case of the RetroTINK-2X Classic, which I own (latest revision, 3.2), you can toggle it to output full range by holding down the top button (the one that changes between passthrough, 2x, and smoothing) while you plug in the power to it, but it will only output full range while it's on and does not retain that on power cycles. By default, as you said, it's partial range. Maybe the Pro does something like this?
Long live the RetroTINK-2X! I love my Framemeister and gscartsw setup, but I'd have been very happy and several hundred dollars richer if the RetroTINK existed a little sooner.
@A Gentleman True, the Framemeister unquestionably owns the 480i space. The sixth-generation consoles (and Wii) are gorgeous on it. I've got no regrets and definitely won't be tearing the setup down. Though since I'm spoiled with having both as an option, I'm considering moving the Genesis and maybe the Saturn over to composite and the RetroTINK.
I got the koryuu last month purely so I can ditch the 14” Philips monitor I use solely for the C64, everything else only takes RGB as I don’t have a composite card for my BVM...
I must say I’m really impressed with has the C64 looks through the OSSC on the big screen, think I actually prefer it over the BVM picture😳
You guys did a great job at showcasing the (subtle?) differences between the RetroTink 2x Pro and the Koryuu Transcoder. I currently still occasionally use my Framemeister for certain things, but have for awhile been looking to get something that does a better job at representing Composite/S-Video signals from my older consoles, as well as having very quick "Mode" switching for games that switch video modes mid-game. I've been on the fence on whether or not to pick up a RetroTink 2x (now called the RetroTink 2x Classic), but I think that I'll be picking up a RetorTink 2x Pro when I next get payed. I agree that there are certain visual effects that are lost when playing a Sega Genesis console through anything above Composite, which will be better represented with either the RetroTink 2x Pro or the Koryuu Transcoder. Stay safe and keep the videos rolling. Cheers!
I can vouch for the reto-tink 2x pro. Got one at release and it’s a great little piece of hardware!
I just picked up the Retrovision cables at the end of last year and it made a world of difference with Sega 8-bit and 16-bit. I am getting the Retrotink 2xPro very soon to enjoy NES and other systems. Its all for the further enjoyment of old systems. If a more effective way to display old composite signals comes along, lets hope they remain semi-affordable.
Hi guys! Thanks for another valuable video. I've been looking to compliment my n64 with ossc after koryuu's release without modding it, and it's nice to actually see the effects. Have you thought about uploading your videos at 4k on youtube? Doing my own videos I noticed a clear increase in quality despite the source material being 1080p when I made it 4k and uploaded to youtube. Seems like even at 1080p youtube is doing a lot of less flattering things to the video you upload. So even though your video was 1080p, uploading it at 4k makes it look better on youtube. Forces it to get around the algorithms.
I'm looking forward to OSSC firmware update in the future adding some better filters for koryuu fed signals to improve the look of it. As it stands it looks like ossc's upscaler and filter are great when you have a clean signal, simply beautiful, but with those low quality signals those filters and scalers don't leave the most pleasing image. Like with Ocarina of Time sample on this video the detail and colors were much more impressive on s-video, but the image itself was more pleasing on composite. Just something to hide that noise a bit. And for n64 some kind of smoothening blur could definitely help. Or perhaps koryuu's own filters could do that? That firmware update connection looks terrible though, hopefully they'll upgrade the box to use something like OSSC's sd card system.
I'm glad you touched on S-video cables. I remember making the mistake with this multi console S-video cable that had a yellow cable for composite. Glad I found a better one for my N64 now
Honestly, I'm not so lucky with mine. I pretty much have to make do with a cheap cable for the N64. It's not perfect, but because I have a PAL N64, and what I got was specifically designed for it, I don't have much choice unless I want to RGB mod it.
I actually just got the retro-access S-Video Nintendo cable. Its good (nothing mind blowing far as I can see). I got it because the cost of the HD Retrovision component cables were simply more than I was willing to spend on some cables.
[Try4ce] I mean, S-video has a ceiling on quality, for sure, but given how many BAD S-video cables are out there for Nintendo systems, we're really glad Retro Access is making them.
@@mylifeingaming yes that is true. I had looked at some my local retro store had (seems to be a white label brand as I see the same box with different names on the internet). The cables were shockingly thin and likely had no internal shielding either. I will say the biggest difference I noticed was in text. Its much crisper on S-video compared to composite.
Thank you for the perfect timing of posting this.
This video seems more natural in terms of how you guys spoke in it.
It's different and I like it! Great job guys.
[Try4ce] MLiG Mini is our unscripted series. Some people like it, some people don't! We'll continue doing both.
12:29 the official SNES/SFC s-video cables run like $20+ on eBay, but they are worth it.
I can't wait until there is a comparison video with the RetroTINK Pro and the RetroTINK Multi with it's 480p passthough. What I am most concerned about is the sacrifice that Mike had to do for the Multi's passthough hardware. I read that images are now slightly softened as a result of the new hardware locking into the vertical bilinear filter. I'm wondering if the softening of NES, SNES, and N64 composite & s-video signals is a deal breaker for wanting to play my Gamecube and PS2 480p content games. (yes I still have my GC component cable.)
Note on S-video cable makers: Insurrection Industries is producing their own S-Video cables (with their new line of SCART cables)
I was about to pull the trigger on the Koryu as a solution to get Svideo into my BVM (lack of y/c input card) when I saw you mentioned about incorrect fields for 480i. Guess I'll wait for them to fix that.
You guys need to talk about the Rad 2x plug and play upscaler for the the next MLiG Mini episode.
[Try4ce] Since we don't have one, it won't be next, but we do want to look at it.
I am always so excited for each new video you guy s post!
What's that chiptuney music that plays 0:20 or so? When it cuts to F-Zero X on the PVM
Ahh, always so exciting seeing a new upload, gonna save this one for tonight to relax with before bed.
Great episode as always
But what about the rgb200 episode on the dreamcast? I’m waiting for this for years
[Try4ce] It will be a bit later in the year for sure, but we're committing to it being this year.
Great video as always!
The Koryuu is tempting. I wish it wasn't so expensive because I'd really only use it for GameCube and maybe Dreamcast at this point.
You guys are awesome! And I actually enjoy the mini content that seems less scripted more than normal episodes, although they are all good!
I've been using a composite and S-video to VGA box and sending that to the OSSC. It works well and is cheaper than both.
I was hunting for a good crt to play ps2 on when my boyfriend got me an mCable as a gift instead. I think it's a cool piece of tech but I had to break it to him that it has a few too many problems for me to use it for that purpose. I think it's better just to clean up nintendo switch games than for retro stuff. What do you guys think about it?
Predictable Enigma Aww at least he got you something even though it wasn’t really what you wanted, hopefully it’s good for your switch use! And good luck finding a good CRT. :)
@@justanotheryoutubechannel i have since found a jvc d series for 20 bucks! It needs some tuning but is amazing. I use the mcable for ps3
By the way nice to see you again guys :)
Nice to see something new from these guys
I love my Nintendo S-video cable from Retro Access.
"KORYUU-CHAN!"
Its always a good day when a new MLiG video releases.
I feel like every kind of product like this has it's own set of benefits and drawbacks. I'm not the most well-versed on how it all works so I don't know if it'd be possible, but I wish there was just one option that had it all in one. And I mean that wouldn't necessarily kill demand for the other products, as it would obviously be more expensive. People just looking for the simplest solution would still go for the cheapest option.
Personally, I just wish the OSSC supported S-Video, because the lowest quality video source I want one of these for would be an unmodded N64 and having a whole other device just for that, whether it be the RetroTINK or Koryuu, seems like too much of a bother. I do prefer the look of the Koryuu, and I think it'll get even better overtime with updates. The RetroTINK being easy to update through USB is a major advantage, though.
Note: I learned immediately after typing and before posting this that the OSSC Pro will likely have S-Video and composite support, among a lot of other upgrades. Figured I'd still post the comment anyway lmao
Koryuu + OSSC would be amazing for plug and play consoles
I am surprised you never mentioned the Retrotink 2x SCART version! Was this not in scope ? It's an amazing device for a simple plug and play RGB to HDMI solution.
[Try4ce] The reality is that we don't have one! It might have come up briefly in our conversation, but I forget. If so, it was cut for time reasons. After all, the focus on this video was on what to do with composite and S-video signals, and as such we didn't really even talk about (or show) the 2X Pro's component capabilities.
@@mylifeingaming yes good point ! I was lucky to get hold of one (imported to the UK) before it went out of stock. I don't see it being mentioned much and if it comes back in stock I think it is really worth highlighting to people especially for its ease of use and price point in a future video maybe.
Talks about devices for HD TV's but has a bunch of CRTs in the background.
yep.... and it's not my case....
interesting video, I'm not denying it... but I have more questions now...
New to the channel? He has a crt room and an hdtv room. He has retro consoles in both rooms so he can provide info for gamers of different tv tastes
This the best most underrated channel of all time!!!!!
Is the Original Xbox worth a 200 series RGB Master Class video? Anyway love the channel and keep up the good work
[Try4ce] Oh of course it is. It's probably a ways off though, I have to admit. There are a lot of variations that use different video encoders, and to be honest I know very little about RGB on the system (do all regions support RGB?). We have a lot to learn about it, and are more prepared to tackle other systems sooner than later, like Dreamcast and Wii.
Gonna be a good day now that MLiG are here!
The Koryuu is really expensive. I have an old Yamaha AV Receiver which also transcodes Composite and S-Video to YPbPr.
got it for 30 Bucks
The Nintendo-compatible cables with composite and S-Video aren't just crappy... they're almost always wired incorrectly. They connect Chroma to CVBS. You can tell because they will work on an unmodified SNS-101 that normally doesn't support S-Video. This is why you see diagonal lines of interference wherever you see large areas of normally-solid colors.
I think they did this on purpose so the same cable would appear to work with SNS-101 and PAL N64s, which lets retailers avoid returns.
Would the Retrotink be able to allow a non-interlaced computer monitor to display from systems like the Super Nintendo, Gamecube, or even the PSP Go? If given a VGA to HDMI adapter of course.
[Try4ce] Yes it's actually fantastic for that. You can get plenty of inexpensive lag-free HDMI to VGA converters online.
Late to the video. Hope u guys are staying safe in these crazy times. I'm hoping a few deep dives of developer focused videos ala Atlus, Platinum, Treasure, etc might be worthy of their own videos. Especially with some recent and upcoming releases from these folks. Cheers
I love seeing attempts on getting bad cables getting good quality!
Some people dont want to mod systems that dont support rgb natively
@@ians_parks I know.
@@littleguystar Misinterpreted your comment as sarcastic lol. Use to talking to assholes 😅
as always great video I'm persanoly love s-video on saturn and ps1 more than rgb, especially in resident evil games and silent hill (can say it about almost all early polygon graphics games on every systems) on ps1 s-video image much smoother than rgb, rgb is great in 2d games, on genesis I love rgb but I love water effects in sonic games via composite the same situation with shadows in comix zone and lion kings backgrounds, so I can't say that composite and s-video give bad image
RetroTink all the way ! can't wait for system specific RAD2X-hdmi cables !
I've got the Nintendo one, and I love it.
I have all these in the RAD2X Cables
> PS1
> Genesis Model2
> N64
> PCEngine
> Saturn
One thing to remember, they are not the sharpest Analog to digital converters out there ( If you are after crisp pixels )
What i like is they get the job done properly and give you the ability to connect to HDMI display devices.
Anyone who uses matrix switchers and breakout cables with S-Video will want to know this: The RetroTINK-2X Pro will except a color signal through the blue jack.
Cool video. I will check out that improved Nintendo s video cable for my n64. I already think it looks pretty good through the retro tink 2x with a cheap one I got on Amazon.
As the owner of a Retrotink classic, the Koryuu doesn't seen to offer exactly a great value. I guess it has its audience on the ossc user base, but it doesn't really do much for me
It really just matters for someone scaling to 4x or 5x, and even that gets tricky with OSSC and TV compatibility. But yeah I own the 2x pro and the ossc and I'll probably just continue using the 2x pro for my composite/S-video needs. It's so much simpler to use that I try to use it over the ossc when I can. I love the 2x pros smoothing feature for early 3d titles as well.
Thanks! FWIW, it's the perfect add-on if you already own an OSSC. I think the quality of 3x/4x/5x composite is debatable, but Line5x S-video looks damn close to RGB.
If you already own an OSSC, it's cheaper than a retrotink. And if people are buying them, I say there's nothing wrong with filling that niche.
@@ValkyrieTiara it definitely seems to be a device purely for those who want to or already own an OSSC. I wanted to able to use my NES and N64 on my big screen TV without them looking like total crap so this duo accomplishes that perfectly. Sure it's not as nice as RGB but those console mods are pretty expensive.
@@ttvCarn If all you want is to play NES and N64 games on your HD display without going RGB, I would recommend the retrotink. It's MUCH cheaper than ossc + koryuu (by about $100). But if there are other features of the OSSC that you want so you'd buy (or already have) one anyway, then yeah the koryuu is the better option.
Im probably going to stick to my retrotink classic since scanlines aren't necessarily something I'm looking for, and I'm not using a 480i console on it to smooth out the interlacing. Thanks for putting this video out though, as for a while I was having trouble figuring out what the true differences were between the classic and the pro.
It does annoy me when a scanline option isn't brightness corrected. Such a simple fix for an obvious problem.
I wish you guys would do a video of the best way to hook a modern console or pc to a crt monitor or tv without hdmi. Ideally the best vga or component solutions
Did you guys ditch the prompter this time? Seemed much more natural and easier to listen to. Good stuff.
[Try4ce] Some would disagree that makes it easier to listen to, but this is an "MLiG Mini," which is our unscripted series. We will continue to do both styles, this is just a way to get something out on a subject in less time than it takes us to do scripted videos. But most people are subscribed to is for scripted content, so that's still our main thing, but we'll do these in between regular episodes.
Composite video is ok on an older crt under 20-27"( for the nes or below). Beyond that s-video is needed at the bare minimum, whether it be for a 32"+ crt or an hd display fed through the proper transcoder/upscaler. I have seen some newer 4k tvs take a composite nes signal and display it ok but didn't check the lag it took to do it. I honestly just run my nes and 2600 to a 27" consumer crt, while all other consoles go to that and also, a vga crt and a 4k samsung through the ossc.
I'll stay with my ossc. For my the way best option available now and with its new price deop even more ytractive than before
What do you guys use to capture gameplay from the OSSC beyond 2X?
[Try4ce] Coury uses PEXHDCAP60L, I use a Magewell card, and we both also use the AVerMedia Live Gamer 4K. All accept 960p and usually even do fine with 1200p from the OSSC.
I'm getting one finally. With this, a MiSTeR, the various 8bitdo controllers, I'm set.
Damn I love your channel!
So I've watched a few videos on the retrotink 2x now and they all say the same thing, don't run multiple consoles through this one box. So then I'm curious, what is the point of this thing when retrotink still offers singular boxes that fit whatever connection method you have with your single system? Be it composite, s video, component, etc, they sell boxes that will do convert and clean up the signal from your console to your tv for around 60 bucks.
Is it just purely the "bonus" things like scan lines filter? I'm just struggling see the need for these 2x and 4x boxes.
Thanks!
[Try4ce] Well you can hook up whatever you want into the 5X, which is massively more advanced. The single cables are a separate product that Mike licensed out using his tech, but they aren't his products really, so that might be where your confusion comes in. You can hook up multiple things into the 2X with a switcher, but yeah it can cause image quality loss in some scenarios. Personally when I use my 2X devices, it's for a quick and easy temporary setup, and it's nice to be able to do that with any system, rather than just what I have a cable for.
I recently got an OSSC and a Koryuu to accompany it and I can confirm that there is something wrong with the 480i from the Koryuu. If I feed 240p from S-Video into the Koryuu then channel the Koryuu's output into the OSSC it works very nicely, but as soon as the OSSC gets 480i from the Koryuu it does not work at all. This problem persists constantly with my 3DO since it only outputs 480i and occasionally on my N64, PlayStation and Saturn (the common trio that have games switching between 240p and 480i). Games on those systems that use 480i for cutscenes and menus will be dropped on the OSSC as soon as the game hits those particular parts, then comes back when 240p is enabled. The OSSC itself shows signs of an unstable sync signal only from Koryuu-type 480i due to the LED being red and the screen on the OSSC going nuts. I know its not the OSSC because when I feed it 480i directly from my PS2 and Xbox (all official component connections) the OSSC takes it no questions asked. I'm honestly surprised you two got 480i to work from the Koryuu into your OSSC, perhaps its also a mixture of the other pieces of equipment that I have in my setup (several Extron switchers). Oddly enough, my CRT has no issues with the Koryuu on any video mode. The S-Video jack on my CRT is a bit wonky so I wanted the Koryuu to bypass it by using the Component jacks instead. 480i from the Koryuu into my CRT has a bit more flicker than normal, but it displays it none the less. Hopefully the makers of the Koryuu come up with an update to fix this as its a pretty crippling issue at the moment. Have either of you two experienced these issues or something similar with the Koryuu?
Going to contribute to the # of comments that say "mini" , 22 mins lol. Love you guys and your vids.
I would have loved a focus on the Nes & Turbo Duo for consoles that composite is their best display without modding as well as the N64, Atari Jaguar, Panasonic 3DO, and the Philips cdi with S Video being their best output currently without modding. I know the Jaguar is Rgb capable out of the box but I don't know of any Component cable for it yet. Would love if HD Retrovision made one for the Jaguar.
9:43
Try: **says a bunch of stuff**
What I hear: "When you're cycling through the mode buttons, if you push the button it'll be the first one for the thing that you're on but you can push it more and if you're on the other one and push it it'll be on a different one so push it and it'll be on the first one and it'll cycle through if you push it and don't be on the wrong one cause it'll be too dark if you push it so make sure you're on the right one so you get the correct brightness."
Me: "Push it till it looks good. Got it."
(Just so we're clear, this was not a dig at Try, but at my own comprehension ability)
[Try4ce] You're right, though! I should say "press button until it looks good" more often, I was definitely trying to say too much for something pretty simple.
still enjoying this format. if you guys like doing these and it's easy to bang out, I welcome many more
Great video,looks like a great product,now lets work on getting a RGB input,so we can use our arcade pcbs,neo geo mvs,i truly believe there a market for it,and make so u could use a regular crt tv or lcd/led or such.
[Try4ce] There is also a RetroTINK-2X SCART version that only uses RGB.
@@mylifeingaming thanks for the reply, maybe u guys could do a video showing the hook up and game play using an mvs and or a n arcade pcb on regular lcd.once again ,thanks for the reply.
Another great video. Very informative. What was the game at 11:45 though? It looks really nice
Saga Frontier (PS1)
I've got to say owning the retrotink-2x pro and an ossc has been nothing short of useful. They're both good at what they are intended to do and I feel like scaling composite or s-video above 2x would show the flaws in those input formats. So I do like that the retrotink tells me sweet little lies about those inputs to make them more easy on the eyes while I have a feeling that the koryuu would have been too brutally honest about those formats and ended up with me RGB modding a non-easily RGB modifiable N64 and NES.
I would really like HDMI conversion cables compared in these videos.
I've been replacing absolutely everything with HDMI conversion cables.
Nice Video- did you chance something in the Production? No more Telepromter? Something about your skript/voice sounds different
greetings from Germany 👍🏻
[Try4ce] "MLiG Mini" is an unscripted series from us. We started doing a couple of them later last year. Our regular episodes will still be scripted, because that's what most people like from us, but this is just a way to get our thoughts on smaller topics out there while spending less time on production. It's not meant to get too much in the way of producing our regular episodes.
My Life in Gaming thx for the fast answer
Great content as always. Still wait for someone to create a solution to hook up an unmodded Atari 2600 without using a VCR though.
Dreamcast episode! Dreamcast episode!
I buy rad2x cables they're built in retrotink 2x's for individual consoles. Theyre a god sent. I'm hoping for a ps2 cable in the future.
Not likely considering the retrotink2x line of devices relies on a chip set that doesnt support 480p. That said the playstation rad2x should work fine with the ps2. It'll just be bob deinterlacing 480i to 480p, which isnt a huge compromise when you take into account a majority of the ps2 library is 480i anyway.
I think I'm getting the problem you're seeing on pvms with the koryuu on the retrotink 2x pro but only on my capture card. Occasionally the sound screws up too . Swapping inputs on my hdmi switcher fixes it but sometimes it takes a few tries.
7:44 Wait a sec, does Sonic 1 actually have that "rainbow effect" when played on a CRT?
[Try4ce] With composite video, yes. It's a characteristic of the Genesis's awful composite video output, but many developers did make lemonade with it, so to speak.
All the reason why I'm excited to try Retrovisions Component cables for the mighty Genny. Dithering be damned
11:35 Is this showing that composite and s-video straight to a CRT looks better than composite and s-video to the Koryuu and then out via component into a CRT???
PAL Game Cube can output RGB
Try... I love that RE 2 Remake poster in your background! Where did you get it?!
[Try4ce] It was sent as a sample (along with a few others) from a company called Displate. Perfect timing since I was building a new retro room / set. We have an affiliate link with them (also in the description) that includes links to the Displates that I've got hung up: displate.com/mylifeingaming
You mentioned bad s-video and RGB cables, what brands would you recommend?
MLiG can you do a video about finding the best image quality on Genesis that still uses color dithering?
I already have the OSSC, but I also want to be able to fully enjoy the waterfalls in Sonic and color dithering was heavily used in both Earthworm Jim games - emulation in my experience can't properly blend the colors together, so this is an odd case where I REALLY need to use the hardware to get the most desired picture...sure a lot of the time I plan to use RGB, but I'd like to know what device does the best color blending, but also has clarity.
I don't know if you can get the color blending on S-Video either.
I originally was going to get the RetroTink, but now the Koryuu looks REALLY good.
It'd be a nice to have a comparison of those and any other methods you'd suggest for getting the color blending due to dithering on HD TVs!
[Try4ce] The only way to really get it that way is to just use composite video. S-video won't do it. But the effect works on a CRT or through RetroTINK or Koryuu.
I use my RetroTink2X (classic) to line double Component to my CRT. It looks amazing. I was interested in what the difference between limited and full was. Do you guys have a picture for us to see the difference?
[Try4ce] There is no difference when Limited and Full are properly handled. Watch this for an explanation of Limited Range and Full Range. th-cam.com/video/dym6XD3-8qw/w-d-xo.html Basically they're just different standards for where the cutoff points in the signal are for the brightest white and the darkest black. If your display is set for the correct standard, then they should look identical. Full Range is handy for us though because since the OSSC is always Full Range, then we don't have to change our capture card settings when using the RetroTINK-2X Pro (but we do have to change the settings for the Classic, and then back again for the OSSC).
I heard that N64 pal S-Video is rare and leaves a bit to be desired than NTSC and some of the models don't natively support that input.
I'm to curious about that Retro Access S VIdeo Cable for N64 with the Pal N64.