I have the Spinal Kinetics M6-L lumbar implanted on top of an old two level fusion. OUTSTANDING! At the time in 2016 I had to fly to Barcelona to Dr Clavel as this was not approved yet in the US, although CE approved for about 12 years in Europe and in other Countries following the CE approval. In a nut shell, the artificial disc was invented in Germany Circa mid 70’s at the Charite Hospital. This left Europe as a leader and a epicenter of excellence. The US has lagged behind for various reasons. Take note, this disc has a playable center core to take the shocks away which reduces the likelihood of ASD (Adjacent Segment Disease), which is exactly what happened to me 10 years later after that old fusion. Picking an excellent surgeon that has performed many hundreds with a very low revision rate is critical in my opinion. At the time Dr Clavel had 550 lumbar discs and 1200 cervical with two revisions in total. One older revision was due to a woman with bone density issues, now they protest for that. I got my life back with the M6-L (which I researched like crazy first and then chose the surgeon). I also have two ESP discs in my neck in 2018 with Dr Clavel as well. I am also really happy. Be prepared to travel to the right “take the high road” surgeon. Probably in a big City. Physical therapy followthrough after is VERY important to get dormant muscles reactivated because pain causes posture compensations that won’t go away automatically after the surgery. I say VERY important because I waited and went back to my life and that was poor judgment. Only once I went to 8weeks of twice a week PT did I regain muscle reactivations that protect the core and reduce pain, etc.
Dear JR Chicago, thank you for sharing your story and we are pleased to hear of your positive outcome from ADR with the M6 and ESP Discs. For our overseas patients who travel for Disc Replacement in Germany, intensive post-op rehabilitation programs are provided at Medicos AufShalke (Guided Video Tour on this channel). Thank you again JR Chicago and we wish you a lifetime of health and mobility! Team SC
Hello JR Chicago, thank you for sharing, I am trying to avoid L4/L5 fusion and like you said, not much luck in the US. From your text, this is for Lumbar as well correct? Also, this would be totally out of pocket, can you share roughly what one should budget for, surgery + rest of pre and post op cost? Basically all-in what would be a general cost estimate for this, if you don't mind sharing?
Hey JR , are you happy with your ESP disc and which levels did you get done, I got the reverse have 3 level m6c on my neck and might need a revision in the middle and the level at the top . I hope you are doing well and i also love the care and the placement i got with dr. Clavel.
C5/6 replaced with simplify disc. I choose this one because I didn’t like the idea of the webbing possibly breaking down. 1 year post can’t tell it’s there & no pain. Good luck with whatever you chose.
I just had this for my cervical disc replacement surgery 2 weeks ago as of tomorrow (7/14/2020). I got full range of motion movement as of 7/10/2020 10 days post op. I am recovering really nicely and I am very pleased that my doctor knew about this so early on in its release to the USA.
@@tinacollins9213 I have no pain from the disc. More pain related to muscles and their weakness. It is a night and day difference though to what it was like before and then after surgery. I am continuing to improve as the nerves that were compressed heal.
Libby Riley, Where in the US did you have the surgery? Could I get the name of your doctor? Did insurance cover any of the surgery? Last question. Posterior or anterior? Did they operate while you were on your back or on your tummy?
HELP HELP i got 3 times herniated surgery bud it come back efter 4-6 mont. the 4th surgery was fusion with scew and some bone cage. it help 60% but i have no stability can even take my shoes on. is possible to remove the fusion and make new M6L Lumbar surgey in replace????????
Hello Francesco, usually our international patients travel to Germany for our spine surgery programs. If you are looking for surgery in your home country you will have to enquire with the surgeons directly. Best wishes on your spine journey!
Hi Nathalie, thank you for your inquiry regarding M6 Disc Replacement in Germany. We have received your separate email and your patient liaisons will be in touch shortly. Thank you.
What exercises are not allowed after disc replacement? From 3 months after surgery would the m6-l be stuck in place or could it still move? Also could you return to the gym and football ect?
Hello John Westgarth, thank you for your M6 Disc Replacement enquiry. Our German specialists perform 3 month post-op X-Rays to confirm implant placement and function. Our sports doctors will advise patients when they can return to each exercise (sensibly). Patients are encouraged to return to a healthy active lifestyle, while remembering they have a second chance with their back. Please contact us directly for more information or an evaluation of your case: spineconnection.org/contact-us/
Can it be placed in previously fused lumber vertebrae by removing the old implants and rods to gain a movable segment? Can it hold the spine without facet joints as they are usually removed during fusion surgery?
Dear Mazhar Shah, principally a spine fusion cannot be undone and replaced with an artificial disc at the same level. Please contact us directly at enquiries@spineconnection.org with any further questions. Thank you and take care.
I had a double level lumbar fusion and eventually it wore out the disc above and in 2016 Dr Clavel in Barcelona implanted the Spinal Kinetics M6L at L3/4 on top of the fusion disc. Excellent! Think I paid $26k USD. He had performed several thousands so he is way ahead and he is a highly careful neurosurgeon. Pain went away at 80% in two days. I got my life back.
I have two questions. I am seriously considering this surgery so please answer me. 1. I had L4~5 disc discetomy 10 yrs ago. Am I suitable for this surgery? 2. Anyone who lives in south korea can get this surgery in germany?
Dear 장민재, thank you for your enquiry. We have patients from over 35 countries visit Germany for disc replacement surgery, and South Koreans are most welcome. Please email us at enquiries@spineconnection.org and we will guide you through the remote evaluation process. Best regards, Team SC
I also had L4-L5 micro discectomy 10 years ago and have been suffering from back pain again for around 6 months. Did you go ahead with another treatment? Thank you 🙂
Lumbar and cervical are the only two models, but you may want to ask the expert. The US is many years behind Europe for various reasons. I have the Spinal Kinetics M6L lumbar at L3/4 on top of a older double level fusion since 2016. Excellent! Went to Dr Clavel in Barcelona who has performed several thousand. Think it was $34k USD plus hotel, etc. For example, in 2019 a Dr in Beverly Hills performed the first two level cervical neck implants in the US. Dr Clavel had performed 2100 by 2016 and 80% were double level. I have two ESP discs in my neck in 2018. The artificial disc was invented in Germany Circa mid 1970’s and Europe is the epicenter of excellence in artificial discs. The US FDA takes many years and $14 milllion dollars to obtain approval. What happens is manufacturers go to Europe first to obtain CE approval opening a market of about 750 million people and other countries will fast track a CE approved device. So essentially you get a 1 Billion people market in less time and cost. This is one reason why the US is LAST. Surgical Attitudes in the US can “pretend” that artificial discs are experimental - ya, to that surgeon stuck in the past. These discs require highly accurate carpentry skills. Fusions can chop out bone that will grow back, so the technique is very different.
Hi Someone Fox, we can't send the disc to Bolivia, but for 10+ years we have had international patients visiting Germany for Artificial Disc Replacement (ADR) surgery. Please contact us via spineconnection.org/contact-us/ and we will help with your questions. Thank you.
Dear Delta, our spine programs for M6 and ESP Disc Replacement are located in Germany. Please contact us for more information: spineconnection.org/contact-us/
Hi Tina, you will have to enquire with your local spine specialists in the country you live. Our German specialists offer this among other new generation discs, and will select the ideal implant for each patient case. We have renowned international spine programs and are pleased to help with an extra opinion at any stage via enquiries@spineconnection.org. We wish you the best on your spine treatment journey!
I 'd like to know if someone put this disc in the column and how it was recovery? can you do physical activities? mobility ? please I need know becouse i wanna do one surgery like that thnks
Dear Igor B, we have new patients every month travel to receive disc replacement surgery in Germany. In the last 10 years we had spine patients from 35+ countries. Please email us directly at enquiries@spineconnection.org and we are pleased to assist with your questions. Kind regards (Team SC)
I have the Spinal Kinetics Lumbar M6L since 2016 implanted by Dr Clavel in Barcelona. 80% of pain stopped with 2 days. Amazing and very happy here. I was able to leave the hospital and enjoy the walking City of Barcelona for 10 days after and we had a real fun time. That is how my recovery was. You do need physical therapy to get your compensation muscles and dormant muscles back in sync after any of these surgeries. Clavel has performed around several thousand of these back in 2016. No regrets.
@@wtfscene6993 now I am on the Tahoe lake. Before I was on Yosimite and Grand Canyon. Trails, uphills, I fell great!!! I am so thankful to creators of m6l and my neurosurgeons team!
Hi Blob Bobby - We are happy to send you scientific data on Mechanical Characteristics and Wear Debris for this particular model of ADR implant. Please contact enquiries@spineconnection.org and we will reply directly. Have a great weekend!
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I have the Spinal Kinetics M6-L lumbar implanted on top of an old two level fusion. OUTSTANDING! At the time in 2016 I had to fly to Barcelona to Dr Clavel as this was not approved yet in the US, although CE approved for about 12 years in Europe and in other Countries following the CE approval. In a nut shell, the artificial disc was invented in Germany Circa mid 70’s at the Charite Hospital. This left Europe as a leader and a epicenter of excellence. The US has lagged behind for various reasons. Take note, this disc has a playable center core to take the shocks away which reduces the likelihood of ASD (Adjacent Segment Disease), which is exactly what happened to me 10 years later after that old fusion. Picking an excellent surgeon that has performed many hundreds with a very low revision rate is critical in my opinion. At the time Dr Clavel had 550 lumbar discs and 1200 cervical with two revisions in total. One older revision was due to a woman with bone density issues, now they protest for that. I got my life back with the M6-L (which I researched like crazy first and then chose the surgeon). I also have two ESP discs in my neck in 2018 with Dr Clavel as well. I am also really happy. Be prepared to travel to the right “take the high road” surgeon. Probably in a big City. Physical therapy followthrough after is VERY important to get dormant muscles reactivated because pain causes posture compensations that won’t go away automatically after the surgery. I say VERY important because I waited and went back to my life and that was poor judgment. Only once I went to 8weeks of twice a week PT did I regain muscle reactivations that protect the core and reduce pain, etc.
Dear JR Chicago, thank you for sharing your story and we are pleased to hear of your positive outcome from ADR with the M6 and ESP Discs. For our overseas patients who travel for Disc Replacement in Germany, intensive post-op rehabilitation programs are provided at Medicos AufShalke (Guided Video Tour on this channel). Thank you again JR Chicago and we wish you a lifetime of health and mobility! Team SC
Hello
Hello JR Chicago, thank you for sharing, I am trying to avoid L4/L5 fusion and like you said, not much luck in the US. From your text, this is for Lumbar as well correct? Also, this would be totally out of pocket, can you share roughly what one should budget for, surgery + rest of pre and post op cost? Basically all-in what would be a general cost estimate for this, if you don't mind sharing?
Hey JR , are you happy with your ESP disc and which levels did you get done, I got the reverse have 3 level m6c on my neck and might need a revision in the middle and the level at the top . I hope you are doing well and i also love the care and the placement i got with dr. Clavel.
I believe the M6 by Spinal Kinetics was developed here in the states, California
Incredible technology. Science for the benefit of man. Many thanks to the inventors!!!
Thanks a million.
C5/6 replaced with simplify disc. I choose this one because I didn’t like the idea of the webbing possibly breaking down. 1 year post can’t tell it’s there & no pain. Good luck with whatever you chose.
I just had this for my cervical disc replacement surgery 2 weeks ago as of tomorrow (7/14/2020). I got full range of motion movement as of 7/10/2020 10 days post op. I am recovering really nicely and I am very pleased that my doctor knew about this so early on in its release to the USA.
Getting mine done in a month .
Hi love did you have the M6 disc , what is you pain like now
@@tinacollins9213 I have no pain from the disc. More pain related to muscles and their weakness. It is a night and day difference though to what it was like before and then after surgery. I am continuing to improve as the nerves that were compressed heal.
Libby Riley that great love , I’m in so much pain I want to go to Germany to get M6 disc . I’m so happy for you
Libby Riley,
Where in the US did you have the surgery? Could I get the name of your doctor? Did insurance cover any of the surgery? Last question. Posterior or anterior? Did they operate while you were on your back or on your tummy?
'Nike Air' would do the job nicely.
Amazing device! I have one in my cervical spine, so happy with it. 🌴🌴
Dear Joseph, we wish you a lifetime of health and mobility!
@@SpineConnection Thank you so much ❤
What is waiting list and how does a person procide??
I have the M6L at L45 installed by them in Germany in July 2014 and going strong, but I have another bad level the L23.
HELP HELP i got 3 times herniated surgery bud it come back efter 4-6 mont. the 4th surgery was fusion with scew and some bone cage. it help 60% but i have no stability can even take my shoes on. is possible to remove the fusion and make new M6L Lumbar surgey in replace????????
Where do I get one
Won't the cords wear out relatively quickly? I'm only 26 and plan to live another 40-60 years. What do I do when the cords break?
tem mozna pracowac mozna biegaz mozna silowna
good morning, I wanted to know if in Italy there are centers authorized for this type of surgery, if so where and who can I contact. Thank you
Hello Francesco, usually our international patients travel to Germany for our spine surgery programs. If you are looking for surgery in your home country you will have to enquire with the surgeons directly. Best wishes on your spine journey!
ile kosztuje operacje l4/l5?
I have C5-6 fuse, my questions are: can I have total disc replacement at C6-7 with M6 disc and a total disc replacement at C4-5 with a M5 disc?
Hi Nathalie, thank you for your inquiry regarding M6 Disc Replacement in Germany. We have received your separate email and your patient liaisons will be in touch shortly. Thank you.
Can someone tell me what is the percentage success of this surgery and will be any future problem in this, like fusion?
Hi Mohammed, please email your questions to enquiries@spineconnection.org and we will help provide answers. Have a great day, Jake
Spine Connection hello, I have send all my details along with my mri. Please let me know with details along with accommodations, PT and location.
What exercises are not allowed after disc replacement? From 3 months after surgery would the m6-l be stuck in place or could it still move? Also could you return to the gym and football ect?
Hello John Westgarth, thank you for your M6 Disc Replacement enquiry. Our German specialists perform 3 month post-op X-Rays to confirm implant placement and function. Our sports doctors will advise patients when they can return to each exercise (sensibly). Patients are encouraged to return to a healthy active lifestyle, while remembering they have a second chance with their back. Please contact us directly for more information or an evaluation of your case: spineconnection.org/contact-us/
Ja czekam lotto wygrać i chciałem operacje Niemiec albo france albo usa
Can it be placed in previously fused lumber vertebrae by removing the old implants and rods to gain a movable segment?
Can it hold the spine without facet joints as they are usually removed during fusion surgery?
Dear Mazhar Shah, principally a spine fusion cannot be undone and replaced with an artificial disc at the same level. Please contact us directly at enquiries@spineconnection.org with any further questions. Thank you and take care.
Dr Lanman out of Beverly Hills removes fusions and replaces with disc replacements. Reach out to him and see what he says.
I already had fusion 11 years ago. Can I have this procedure instead?
I guess no ..may be if your fusion fails u can
I had a double level lumbar fusion and eventually it wore out the disc above and in 2016 Dr Clavel in Barcelona implanted the Spinal Kinetics M6L at L3/4 on top of the fusion disc. Excellent! Think I paid $26k USD. He had performed several thousands so he is way ahead and he is a highly careful neurosurgeon. Pain went away at 80% in two days. I got my life back.
I misspoke, I actually paid $24,000.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I would like to contact you to chick if i Qualify for this kind of operation , How Should I contact?
We are pleased for our spine specialists to evaluate your case for this procedure. Kindly contact enquiries@spineconnection.org
Can this be preformed on L4-5 L5-S1??
Yeah
I have two questions. I am seriously considering this surgery so please answer me.
1. I had L4~5 disc discetomy 10 yrs ago. Am I suitable for this surgery?
2. Anyone who lives in south korea can get this surgery in germany?
Dear 장민재, thank you for your enquiry. We have patients from over 35 countries visit Germany for disc replacement surgery, and South Koreans are most welcome. Please email us at enquiries@spineconnection.org and we will guide you through the remote evaluation process. Best regards, Team SC
I also had L4-L5 micro discectomy 10 years ago and have been suffering from back pain again for around 6 months. Did you go ahead with another treatment? Thank you 🙂
Can this be done safely for thoracal area?
Lumbar and cervical are the only two models, but you may want to ask the expert. The US is many years behind Europe for various reasons. I have the Spinal Kinetics M6L lumbar at L3/4 on top of a older double level fusion since 2016. Excellent! Went to Dr Clavel in Barcelona who has performed several thousand. Think it was $34k USD plus hotel, etc. For example, in 2019 a Dr in Beverly Hills performed the first two level cervical neck implants in the US. Dr Clavel had performed 2100 by 2016 and 80% were double level. I have two ESP discs in my neck in 2018.
The artificial disc was invented in Germany Circa mid 1970’s and Europe is the epicenter of excellence in artificial discs. The US FDA takes many years and $14 milllion dollars to obtain approval. What happens is manufacturers go to Europe first to obtain CE approval opening a market of about 750 million people and other countries will fast track a CE approved device. So essentially you get a 1 Billion people market in less time and cost. This is one reason why the US is LAST. Surgical Attitudes in the US can “pretend” that artificial discs are experimental - ya, to that surgeon stuck in the past. These discs require highly accurate carpentry skills. Fusions can chop out bone that will grow back, so the technique is very different.
@@jrchicago9216 i am already recovered with physical therapy and resting, not intersted anymore
M6 is the best disc ever
750-800 с операцией. Клиника МИРТ Кострома. Бурденко Коновалов Москва. В в/ч Подольска Круглов.И. А. SL клиника Санкт Петербург.
Can you send it to bolivia and whats the costo?
Hi Someone Fox, we can't send the disc to Bolivia, but for 10+ years we have had international patients visiting Germany for Artificial Disc Replacement (ADR) surgery. Please contact us via spineconnection.org/contact-us/ and we will help with your questions. Thank you.
Dá pra ser no 0800
quero saber o pós operatorio e a mobilidade depois se onsegue fazer atividade física
Do you have anyone who does surgery with this disc in india?
Dear Delta, our spine programs for M6 and ESP Disc Replacement are located in Germany. Please contact us for more information: spineconnection.org/contact-us/
Where is this performed and how much does it cost
Mine was performed in Minnesota by Dr. Rick Davis of Twin Cities Orthopedic. It was covered by my insurance.
Hi Tina, you will have to enquire with your local spine specialists in the country you live. Our German specialists offer this among other new generation discs, and will select the ideal implant for each patient case. We have renowned international spine programs and are pleased to help with an extra opinion at any stage via enquiries@spineconnection.org. We wish you the best on your spine treatment journey!
@@SpineConnection they are hopeless in jersey they only remove the disc
@@elisabethriley1648 thankyou love
@@SpineConnection In which country can i have this surgery?
I 'd like to know if someone put this disc in the column and how it was
recovery? can you do physical activities? mobility ?
please
I need know becouse i wanna do one surgery like that
thnks
Dear Igor B, we have new patients every month travel to receive disc replacement surgery in Germany. In the last 10 years we had spine patients from 35+ countries. Please email us directly at enquiries@spineconnection.org and we are pleased to assist with your questions. Kind regards (Team SC)
I did it. And try to share my experience. My blog is on Russian, but... You could write comments, I will answer.
I have the Spinal Kinetics Lumbar M6L since 2016 implanted by Dr Clavel in Barcelona. 80% of pain stopped with 2 days. Amazing and very happy here. I was able to leave the hospital and enjoy the walking City of Barcelona for 10 days after and we had a real fun time. That is how my recovery was. You do need physical therapy to get your compensation muscles and dormant muscles back in sync after any of these surgeries. Clavel has performed around several thousand of these back in 2016. No regrets.
@@wtfscene6993 now I am on the Tahoe lake. Before I was on Yosimite and Grand Canyon. Trails, uphills, I fell great!!! I am so thankful to creators of m6l and my neurosurgeons team!
@@user-zg4le4uo6d Do you still feel pain any pain? if so. Is it a pain that you can live with everyday?
Anyone had this surgery already? If yes, can you tell if it worked or not. In which country, hospital, doctor?
Hi Dark Phantom, please visit www.spineconnection.org for Patient Stories and Assessment details. Enjoy your weekend!
В России , в 2018 году такой имплант стоил 300.000 руб. Сколько он стоит сейчас- даже представить страшно.....
Щас походу его вообще не достать, я думаю некоторые частные клиники имеют к ним доступ !
@@Volzhanin.750-800 с операцией. Клиника МИРТ Кострома. Бурденко Москва. В в/ч Подольска Круглов.И. А.
? - How long will those strings last, they seem to do a lot of rubbing on each other, will they wear away over time?
Dear Booted Tech, we recommend contacting the manufacturer for their data on "Mechanical Characteristics". Best regards, Team SC
How much does it cost please?
I paid €20,000.00 ten years ago in Germany
C5 & C6 replacement.. absolutely fabulous result even 10 years later
Those ropes rubbing on each other like that.....you’ll be seeing a compensation commercial on this in about 10 years
Hi Blob Bobby - We are happy to send you scientific data on Mechanical Characteristics and Wear Debris for this particular model of ADR implant. Please contact enquiries@spineconnection.org and we will reply directly. Have a great weekend!
The first thing I notices whas that friction.But there are some high tech materials that can take that friction for decades without any problem.
Ha, you predicted the future. This nightmare, the M6, has been failing like flies flying into a flame.
@@supermushroom3175 really?
How much m6 lumber l5 s1
Hi, please email your questions to enquiries@spineconnection.org and we will help provide answers. Have a great day, Jake
@@SpineConnection pls share contact email of Indian distributor.
96% I have one in me
How much did it cost....do you have the same pain?
How did you feel when this was done ,I’m in terrible pain
@@tinacollins9213 how are you now..you should go fr natural therapy first of it fails then only go fr this..it will solve ur problem 90%
@@Babayagaom I’m not good love I’m in terrible pain
@@tinacollins9213 you should try stem cell therapy or cervical artificial disc ..talk to your spine surgeon once.you will be fine 🙂
Smart ... the fusion is the stupidest medieval thing.