Artificial Disc Replacement Complications. (Ep.7 Spine Scams)
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I would feel better about this review if it didn’t end with a sales pitch.
It is called information. Learn the difference pitchy boy
I had double disc replacement in my neck and it’s been amazing. I have an incredible doctor and im so happy I had it done.
Why are you so happy with the surgery? When was it done?
Glad to here it :)
How long ago did you have the replacement?
Give it some time and you’ll understand
Do you take any form of opoid after this operation?
I had a L5 S1 total disc replacement back in 2013, and I haven't had any problems with my back since. I didn't even take any pain pills and was able to walk within a couple of hours after my surgery. But I do know of a person who had the surgery from a different Dr. and didn't have a good outcome, but he didn't follow the doctors instructions on how to take care of himself during his recovery.
Glad you had a good experience but we have seen some catastrophes that have major artificial disc complications. The complications are well documented
Who was your doctor?
@@natelynch7393 Dr. Ty Thaiyananthan, MD. At Orange County, California
Daisy, who was your doctor?
I had mine done in 2008…. L5-S1 also. Dr. Cantor in Ft. Lauderdale. I was a firefighter and that surgery saved my insanity. I have been pain free for about 14 years now. Best decision of my life.
Thank you so much. I hope that I can get to have your procedure. I live in Huntsville Alabama. I don’t know if anyone does it here. But I’ve heard about your procedure and I really appreciate what you have to say about the artificial disc. I am registered. The truth is about the artificial disc that they can cause life-threatening complications and don’t work as they have been promoted. Thank you so much for this wonderful lecture. I really appreciate it all guide me and making the right decision for my low back.
ADR is better than fusion, its the surgeon not doing their job property if the discs have moved out or popped out. ADR is way more advanced then stupid fusion, Fusion after 5 years or so will cause the top and lower discs and joints to degenerate. Thats why you need an experienced surgeon that knows what they are doing to put the ADR, regards this laser treatment, I will do some research
Hi @raj just wondering if you have had time to research the laser treatment? I would honestly like to know your thoughts. Thank you
Artifical disc may pop out or become heterotopic ossification independent from surgeon. It is not that simple. All i can say that ADR may be a good option for young patients without degeneration sufferin cervical disc herniation.
Fusions are horrible I agree..these Drs just want to make money on your body at your expense...they don't care most of them don't at least about you..I wish I never got surgery,when I got my health insurance I became I total mess..Drs are not on your side at least most of them..they should own up in their mess ups..also artificial discs don't work that great too my friend had it done and it did work for him.. beware..these bastard Drs
@@scottghost1I researched the HELL out of it. Tldr; listen to Deuk!!
And or read my comment in the main thread
@@redmi-ws2dwCDA TDR can fucking move in the spinal cord !!????
@DeukSpineInstitute What do you recommend for an L5-S1 disc that is pretty much gone 12 years after a microdiscectomy? Fusion or is there another solution?
No fusion is not the answer for the neck. I had disc replacement and feel 100 new again
I have 4 lower lumbar disc bulges L5/S1 being the worst. Where is this procedure performed? I’m in Durham NC.
I want a full titanium vertebral replacement with advanced material science disk enhancement. Unfortunately they dont offer this yet. Back aches a bitch.
You really dont want metal when there is a procedure 999x better. Research deuk laser disc repair
Had spinal fusion 2003, worked great and still does. Recovery time was long though
It works great until it doesn't. 40% need another fusion due to adjacent segment degeneration (bio-mechanical wear & tear due to the original fusion) by the 15th year.
@@KingAeetes I was a runner before fusion, started running again a year after, have now been running pretty much everyday for 20 years , no problem
@@the.trollgubbe2642 Thank you. Why did you have a fusion? Fusion should only be done (as per the say of a Colorado neurosurgeon) for symptomatic congenital defects such as a scoliosis not amenable to treatment in any other way and for spine instability. It should not be done for discogenic pain.
@@KingAeetes two discs were raptured, pressing the spinal cord. The Dr recommended it
@@KingAeetes l5/s1 is a good level for the fusion, not a lot of motion. really depends on the level.
I've got 3 issues with my low back. 1 is I have 2 herniated discs. 4,5 and 5,s1.
2 . I have from traction , a longer femur causing a alignment issue and 3. My fascia at low back is destroyed .
I wish I could find a surgeon . AA surgeon not interested in surgery syndrome.
Great video!! Thank you
Hello Sir, I have a question. But, first i was told by my MRI exam i have a degenerated C5-6 about a year ago. I was born with congenital torticollis and congenital scoliosis. Now its become more painful after a year. I know i need surgery. But, im not sure if it can be done cuz of my age 62. And because my spine is not normal.
Can you Please, give be some answers of what needs to be done?
Thanks very much for this information!
welcome
are motorcycle riding after lumber artificial disc replacements
How about stem cells treatment, in addition to what you are doing? Is this something you could do, or pre-op, post-op treatment?
Stem cells do not work in the disc
So the Dr recommends spinal infusion of the cervical 4/5 for the pt and pt has lots of nerve pain that goes down the back/arm/ leg/groin . What outcome of this laser treatment vs traditional surgeries? better mobility? Higher quality of life?
Deuk Spine Institute recommends endoscopic spine surgery instead of fusion or TDR. Please google deuk laser disc repair.
are motorcycle riding after lumber artificial replacements
My discs are worn out! I have fusion and adr ! The ADR hurt a LOT less and healed quickly, am still healing up from fusion and I couldn’t have what is shown here! Had it in my back a long time ago, it doesn’t work!!!
Wow great video I’m currently on a 2 weeks time to make a decision between two decisions and this was not a third one, but I would be definitely be bringing this to the table
My friend from all my research I've done disc replacement surgery is at the forefront of spinal surgery. Fusing to this together is yesterday surgery I would definitely not have fusion disc replacement is what you need
what if you have no disc
That laser goes really close to that nerve. I dont know. Might do some damage to the nerve
if you were doing the surgery it would damage the nerve. Not with a skilled surgeon. We have performed 4,500 disc repairs and ZERO nerve damage
How to contact with the doctor?
What about if your disk is 84% gone?? What are my best options? I'm scared to do anything with my spine. Any advice you could give me is appreciated, thank you, Angelica.
Deuk Laser Disc Repair is going to be your best option. Google the procedure and check it out on you tube.
He speaks the truth. I learned the hard way, before I knew of him.
What didi you do angie? @angiegabeland
Any insight on the Barricaid device? To prevent any discectomy or adr
We have seen many patients that had barricaid and still have pain
So this guy only treats herniation. Dobyou also treat a bulging disc the same way. Do you cut the bulging portion and leave the rest of the disc in place?
The laser disc repair we perform is for bulging disc, herniated disc, degenerated disc, prolapsed disc, protruding disc, extruded disc, and every other disc problem we dont want to repeat this list every time we mention disc herniation. They are all disc herniations with different names.
I like Dr. Deuk, but Deuks quote was $50,000. His assistant mailed me a quote $150,000. for the cervical - cash!!! And then refused to return my call.
No insurance coverage. So be cautious when you speak to his assistant, the assistant is not truthful (on two accounts) that I discussed with Dr. Deuk on trying to figure out payment. Dr. Deuk shot his assistant, the look. I can appreciate Dr. Deuk's work, but it's difficult to get some insurance companies to pay, especially if you're out of state. So be prepared to refinance your home or take out a HELOC.
It's sad to say, but the insurance companies don't want to pay for laser. It's not right.
You have clearly not understood what you were told.
It may be that your surgery bill total is $150,000. That would be billed to your insurance after the surgery. If your insurance paid 100%, you would pay nothing for the surgery. The smaller amount you were quoted may have been your up front deposit. Like I said, by your comments here you clearly misunderstood or you are trying to mislead other people reading your post.
PS: You need to take some responsibility for your insurance plan you chose if they decide not to pay. Deuk Spine Institute didnt chose your insurance for you.There are many bad insurance plans out there that dont want to pay for expensive treatments like spine surgery. Best advice is to avoid them.
The question I would ask is why the insurance company doesn't want to pay for laser.
Maybe it isn't the best procedure to have? Look up on youtube - Spine Talk: Lasers and Spine Surgery.
This doctor has nothing good to say about Laser surgery. Maybe he has a point.
That seems like an awful lot of money for an hour's work with a laser, and no costs for implant devices. @@aradeukmedjian5957
Also it Looks like The disks are the wrong size They are to big
I am researching all the procedures for my cervical stenosis caused but disc herniation. What prevents the disc from continuing to herniate once herniated part is removed ?
your disc will seal over and repair itself after the herniation is removed. Reherniation rate is 1% only
@@aradeukmedjian5957 wonderful , do you have a online second opinion portal ? I would like to know if I am a candidate for this procedure.
@@PlaneImpactGolfStoneridge bro is mad wrong like he’s insanely incorrect
@@aradeukmedjian5957great info, I never saw or heard of that and been wondering thx much. Did I hear correctly, that the herniation calcifies?
Sir i have l3-l4, l4-l5, l5-S1 , and cervical c3-c4 , c4-c5, c6-c7 disk protusion on both legs and and both hand ... sir any future treatment available to go disk back in place ?????....pain 24 hours
I had my c5-6 replaced in march and now my disc c2-3 c3-4 and c4-5 have 3 mm anterolisthesis is this common?
Yes it happens when the first surgery is not done well. Look into deuk laser disc repair
But why does it say on his website today (June 2023) thay does artificial disc surgery?
Deuk Spine Institute does artificial disc surgery and we do the surgery better than anyone else with less trauma to the patient and more precision. We do not recommend the surgery and we definitely do not recommend it be done by worse surgeons with far worse results. With endoscopic deuk laser disc repair, there is no need for metal discs
@@aradeukmedjian5957 Okay 👍
Well the Artificial Disc will need perhaps some redesign so that it does not pop out. I believe it should be an easy modification. You know before we just do guess work and design a artificial disc we should test it in a lab, computer models. I worked on many structural components for the Boeing Company doing Vibration loada and other computer models.
I suggest the Medical community go outside their walls , and go find consultants that could give you a perfect solution. There are lots of smart people who are real good structural Engineers.
I really don't like fusion method , unless if you can modify the fusion to give it a range of motion.
One must do a detailed Biomechanics study on computers first, address issues like fracture, fatigue, Vibration, mechanical shock or impulse analysis, followed by testing.
I believe it is almost Kindergarden for a person who knows ones subject.
Thanks for sharing your opinion
Keanu Reeves had a cervical fusion and was back filming the matrix while still in recovery a week later, it’s been 20+ years since, no complaints and 4 John wick movies. But then again, he can afford the best docs money can buy.
Keanu Reeves would have chosen Deuk Laser Disc Repair over ACDF or disc replacement had he known about it.
How is your technique different from a microdisectomy? Just had my artificial disc removed and fused.
microdiscectomy requires the surgeon to remove normal bone (lamina, facet joint), normal ligament and normal disc during the surgical exposure, DLDR doesnt do any of that. MD doesnt help back pain, dldr cures discogenic back pain. MD requires dangerous narcotics after surgery because all the pain from destruction inside your body, DLDR needs no pain meds.
Was your adr done in US, what spine level?
@@brians2328 yes it was done in the US. Had it done at C5C6, was in for about 4 months but placement and I think disc was too big was wedged out.
@amichael0323 wow sorry to hear that. I had same level done in Germany 3 weeks ago. Going well so far.. your right placement and correct size are very important
@@brians2328hi, do you mind sharing where in Germany did you do it? And how you feeling now? How is rehabilitation going?
I had m6-l in London. Still hike few times a week and gym 5 days a week. (No deadlifts or squats ect but that’s just my choice…). BMW’s can fail in one week, rockets can blow up on take off. Shit happens. More implants more failures hence m6 bad reputation. It can take 3 times torque of human disc, 2400kg downward and 1200kg sideways pressure.
How long ago and how long are it's longest studies and with how many patients?
I had an ADR on C5 to C6 and C6 to C7. It was necessary because I almost lost my right arm.
I think the point of the video is that you did not need an artificial disc to be put in. You needed surgery but not the artificial disc. There are now better ways to fix your problem like Deuk laser disc repair
@@aradeukmedjian5957 that's assuming that you have enough disc left.
Why not take discs from young cadaver?
Provides no benefit to patients over better existing treatments available at Deuk Spine Institute. Disc transplant is highly invasive and dangerous requires immunosuppressive like other organ transplants. Totally unnecessary
I have an M6 disc implant at the L4/5 level of my lumbar spine. It is now locked in one position and causes me great pain and problems with my balance. Bloody furious as I now need to have dangerous anterior revision surgery to try to remove this failed implant and replace it with a fusion + posterior instrumentation.
Don’t get these implants if you have any type of facet joint degeneration.
Scott,
I recommend you get an evaluation at Deuk Spine Institute virtually before you get any surgery as we can help you avoid the dreaded anterior surgery. Use this link
deukspine.com/vc
Thank you @@DeukSpineInstitute. Unfortunately while I’m not far from Melbourne it is the wrong one as I am near Melbourne, Australia.
I imagine this would sadly prevent me being treated by you. Love your channel. Please come to Australia 🙏🏻🇦🇺
It's easy to find: Facet joint degeneration is a no go for disc arthroplasty.
@@KingAeetes agree. With Deuk laser disc repair there is no need for artificial discs
@@scottghost1 I'm sorry to tell you but it is well know that patients with degenerative conditions like arthritis in the back or a slipped vertebrae are NOT candidates for a disc replacement. If you had any of these conditions previous to the surgery then the surgeon should be held accountable.
Also, you mentioned that you had an M6-L implant, unfortunately that one is known to have a higher rate of complications after surgery. Poor design I think.
The LP-ESP would be the best option imo.
I think even the Prodisc-L would've been a better option than the M6-L
Is the laser treatment done in India??
no. Only in Florida at Deuk Spine Institute
any one talk about
I saw commercial, disc made of PET material, for real we expect it to work for life?
Thanks for sharing
So, Dr. *Deuk* recommends the *Deuk* Laser Disk Repair at the *Deuk* Spine Institute?
I wouldn't call this an unbiased opinion...
No, I would recommend Deuk Laser Disc Repair wherever it can be done safely and properly. But for YOU I would recommend more invasive surgery that doesnt work, like artificial discs.
@Ara Deukmedjian wow, thanks for the good wishes. You sound like such a sensical person.
Btw, were you a patient, or what's your relation to Dr. Deuk? I see you simping all over the comment section in every video of this channel
@@AdrianCuyubambaDiaz Its me, Dr. Deuk. I love to roast wannabes who think they are smarter than a neurosurgeon when it comes to neurosurgical issues. Lots of people with heads up their @$$3$ like yourself. Party on dude.
@Ara Deukmedjian wannabe, what exactly? I'm trying to be nothing more than a well-informed patient who takes everything found on the internet with a pinch of salt.
Saying your opinion is biased is a fact. Of course, you're biased it is your procedure, after all, but that doesn't dismiss the efficacy of the procedure.
I don't consider myself to be smarter than anyone, although, unlike you, I do know the difference between being smart and being knowledgeable.
I like to do my own research reading multiple studies on different procedures as well as testimonials from all over the internet, enough to know things aren't as bad as you describe them in the video. Yes, there are complications, but it's a very small percentage like you said, and the way you quickly dismissed artificial discs just to plug your own procedure was suspicious to me.
Don't get me wrong, I'm intrigued, and I'll definitely be looking for studies on your procedure.
The way you conduct yourself, on the other hand, leaves much to be desired. Saying, "For you, I'd recommend a procedure that doesn't work" isn't professional in the slightest, no wonder I had no clue I was talking to a doctor.
I just hope that if I'm convinced to take the Deuk Laser Disk Repair and I happen to come across you, you'll behave more professionally irl than on your TH-cam comment section.
@@aradeukmedjian5957 😂. Wish you were my neurosurgeon
You cannot conclude from the X-rays in this video that the artificial discs moved out of place unless you show the immediately after surgery X-rays so we can compare
From what I see from the X- rays he showed, these discs were likely missed place in the first place
Amazing how people with no education or experience think they know more than an experienced world renowned neurosurgeon with 26years of spine surgery experience. Delusional.
I’ve been told they look great imaging wise, but almost every patient has pain?
They are a good treatment. Always take the disc replacement then a fusion, also check out what type they use as their is some truth that some do disconnect but some don't such as Prestige LP which is good, but the best discs are in Germany. Mobi -C has problems as it can give you to much motion but plz avoid a fusion, why u want to fuse the neck? its old school and they will put screws and rods and a cage in your dam neck. Too much hardware in your neck. ADR is just replacing the root cause which in this case is a disc.
what do you do if there is little to no disc left
Repair what is left of the disc so it functions without pain. Repairing herniated discs is done with FDA approved deuk laser disc repair.
@@aradeukmedjian5957 But that will be bone on bone pain?? is their any evidence that the discs grow back to its original size on its own as u claim?
@@Raj-ul9my
Raj
There is no “bone on bone” pain. Do you have evidence it exists? I have never seen it in over 100,000 patients treated over 26 years as a top neurosurgeon in degenerative spine care.
I don’t ever remember saying the disc nucleus grows back on its own. The annulus fibrosis heals itself after the Deuk laser disc repair procedure.
DLDR still works
@@aradeukmedjian5957 Sorry.if there is no disc left or very little eventually u will get cracking on the neck and it will become bone on bone and might result in pain. If there is no disc left you replace it with a Fake one.
Hi, I have disc Degeneration do you do surgery on this?
Yes we do
@@aradeukmedjian5957 I have pain, numbness, i can't walk straight its hard to bend and my head hurts all the time and it's hard to think early. I had a spinal tap when I was 20 and now I have disc Degeneration. Thank you for responding 😊
@@tiberiustoda mri.deukspine.com
The major issue is when ADR is done right >95% of the time (according to you) it’s gets better results than the laser microdisectomy that you are performing. The reason being is that there is more room in the spine because the ADR is typically much larger than the original disc after it’s been herniated/degenerated
lumber artificial disc replacement recovery time please talk about recovery time artificial disc replacements
Many people with ADR never recover from the surgery and even get worse. at best 3 months and sometimes years
@@aradeukmedjian5957 source???
@@kingloz36 patients that had the procedure
@@aradeukmedjian5957 You can say the same about fusion cases. I have 3 levels fused in my lumber and 2 levels in my cervical.. Way worse than before surgery and now have adjacent disc disease where the levels adjacent to fusions have broken down and have significant bulging discs there. Pick your poison.
@@mountaindweller9118 I agree. There is now better treatment called deuk laser disc repair
Maybe the surgeon did not put it in correctly, these are very rare incidents but their are cases around the world of surgeons not correctly putting them in correctly due to lack of understanding and experience as its a new treatment.They are screwed in and the bone fuses together after a month or so to permanently hold it. They cant just pop out unless 1, the surgeon was incompetent or the patient did some heavy lifting or had another accident.
It's not that rare. Apparently, they don't have a "template" or "jig" to ensure centering I assumed, leaving it up to the surgeons skill. If you've worked on cars much, you know that standing like that to do something that needs that precision and delicate touch, is not easy. and the data is for a ADR is a fraction of what Acdf data is by every measure. I was you 1 year ago. Read my long comment in the main thread. Best of luck
I had disc replacement on C4-C5 last May. Im in more pain now than I was before. The disc didn’t move, I’m being told that the “ space doesn’t want to be open” so he believes removing the implanted disc and a fusion will correct the issue. It’s been 8 months and I’m scheduled for surgery next Friday Feb 2nd. Im scared this isn’t going to work either 😩
Might as well just learn to live with the pain, do more yoga and start taking more CBD. 35 years old DV, literally have barely and disc left in L3, L4 and having to start contemplating spinal surgery. Always hear personal stories from guys with the fusion and it just seems worse, I always felt the guys who were being super positive about it were doing it more for themselves because they where stuck, literally. Started looking into AADR but after seeing those pictures of the disc out of place, that's a big Ole nope for me.
Thank you for commenting and sharing your opinion
Yep. When you're pain is bad enough, you'll do whatever it takes. Research in the meantime....or save time and listen to Deuk closely
The US is still doing fusions that are horrible . He should talk about that
We do in other videos
I don't think the surgeon put the discs correctly.
Are you a qualified surgeon? You seem to have a lot of knowledge or just personal opinion?
@@scottghost1 yes i am, whats your next nonsense argument???
@@Raj-ul9my It was a legitimate question. Thanks for answering. Can you tell us more about your spinal surgery experience and where do you currently see patients?
@@scottghost1 he sees patiently exclusively via TH-cam lol.
What about degenerative disc? I never got an answer how laser therapy helps?
If the disc is to thin and your getting pain bone on bone and or nerve compression then laser won't work, u must replace the disc with an ADR. Laser works if your disc height is still ok-good and you have a herniation that's pressing on the spinal cord or nerve roots near by.
I would assume migration like this is caused by the patient over doing things far too early and not allowing the bone and implants to bone and fuse correctly? I would love to not have any back pain anymore, but my surgeons have said I’m not viable for disc replacement or fusing. So it’s just trial and error with my SCS and trying to manage the pain and “pacing”
Look into deuk laser disc repair, it can cure your back pain. The failures are because your body was not meant to have a metal implant in your spine and they fail for many reasons but most often it is their design or poor surgical technique. There are newer better treatments.
@@aradeukmedjian5957 such as?
All the spine doctors I’ve seen don’t recommend discs. They tend to fuse.
Opposite experience for me.
Laser surgery is a temporary fix 7 times more likely to re-herniate.
Deuk Laser Disc Repair is a permanent fix for disc issues and pain. Our first surgery patients from 17years ago are still pain free
Bottom line spine goes your dead or might as well be
Deuk Spine Institute can cure back pain with our advanced techniques
This is fantastically poor - "Look these artificial discs have already migrated" *shows a corresponding x-ray of the ACDF cages (which he bigged up prior)*. There are merits and pitfalls to all of the different surgical and nonsurgical interventions, each patient should have them discussed and then presented with the options to choose from. By dismissing different approaches shows that you do not have patient outcomes as your main reason for treatment.
Deuk Spine Institute offers and has performed all types of spine surgery. We dont recommend all types of spine surgery because many treatments frankly dont work as intended or the complications can be severe for the patient. The best and safest surgery for the spine is the Deuk Laser Disk Repair. Artificial discs are dangerous and have a high failure and complication rate. People have a right to know the truth.
This guy has no idea what he’s talking about - a spine fusion is a big compromise on the spine. it mask the issue with what your facing with a bad degenerative disc or damaged i got a prodics L ;displacement in Germany by Dr Bertagnoli . He is one the best spine doctor in the world . The dis replacement preserve the motion of the spine which is normal and natural. A fusion makes you disable. You have poor mobility in your spine and all your joints hurts tremendously. I have a fused l5 and s1 lumbar fusion but I’m going for another artificial displacement on my l5 and s1 by Dr rischkee . I had a l5 and s1 fusion now 15 years .my life had been cripple all my joint cracks and hurts . Thats how bad spine fusion is . I’m so greatful I get to fix my spine soon by Dr rischke 🙏
Operation War on the Seed.
I shouldve had this done instead of a lamenectomy... Stupid Neurologist who didnt recommended me this. I know have to forcefully either have a fusion or a disc replacement because my disc deinflated.
You can still have the deuk laser disc repair. Send us your mri scan and we will do a free mri review.
mri.deukspine.com
Those neck xrays are PEEK fusion cages. Disingenuous to not mention that the surgeon probably screwed up by not using a plate to hold the cages in place..
😂 Gee and I thought PEEK couldn't be seen on X-rays... Now who is being "disingenuous"?
Those are cages for sure not ADR's, and they look to be over sized 😂 🤡
Laminoplasty is the way to go
I had spinal fusion on 13 levels. I can barely move.
I am so sorry to hear that. Where do you live?
Toronto@@aradeukmedjian5957
Do the spine stimulation !
ho
ADR ruined my life.
What happened?
This is terrible - fear mongering. He's using one example to make a sales pitch. Not all patients are the same - there are patients who smoke and drink excessively, which ruins the healing process. There are lots of factors to consider - but usually the success rate for TDR is very good.
TDR is dangerous and unnecessary. Soon the procedure will be replaced with the better and safer Deuk laser disc repair. Shame on you for misinforming people yourself
Artificial discs are just that, artificial. Artificial doesnt belong in your body. Natural solutions to back and neck pain are safer and have better outcomes for patients. Dont buy into the "Artificial disc" hype. Be safe and be smart.
None of this is good, they just want to making money out you
All the metal implants making manufacturers rich
If you do some real digging on the internet message boards on these guys there are some really bad reviews.
Don't listen to this guy, find a ADR surgeon using the latest esp discs in Germany.. I did!
What type of AD and what clinic in Germany? Thanks
Is there a better alternative than the LP-ESP?
Those are garbage that fall apart. Have you guys not watched the Seattle science foundation lectures? Listen to Deuk
@ewillisaz I watch every one, and I know for a fact all those guys (even though they are pioneers in America) are far less experienced than the Germans. Even Dr Zigler was overwhelmed by the experience of the Germans when he was invited to speak over seas. Your talking about guys that have individually placed around 5k or more discs. They don't even do the approaches in America they use an access surgeon lol.. M6 definitely does have a fair amount of failures (mesh fibers design), but not ESP. You can read about it on ncbi. Tested to ISO standards in America, 40 million cycles. What kind of discs do you have that failed?
This dude has a major conflict of interest
Why is that?
How can you say fusion is better, wtf is wrong with you
I feel like this guy is a scammer
I feel like you are not very intelligent