@@S0m3thingab0utp0is0n if you call them and explain, they'll usually excuse it. Especially of you're not always late.although, the longer you wait, the less likely it'll work. Still, try it. But next time call sooner rather than later.
TikTok isn't ruining art, it's just ruining the way books are advertised. More and more authors care about spicy scenes and tropes, even if it doesn't fit the story.
I guess?? Like seeing the same trope over and over again gets tiring. Like i deadass hate enemies to lovers just cuz of the people not shutting up abt it. Itd a good trope but eh
Surely if the authors are caring more about spicy scenes then it’s affecting the art they’re creating. I don’t know much about booktok but I hope authors aren’t actually being influenced to that extent.
To quote something I read on twitter: "art being called content and artists being called content creators has to be one of the worst things to happen in the art space in years". Thank you for another great video ❤️
As snobbish as this sounds, I don't like how tik tok treat art as aesthetic only and ignores all messages and meaning behind it. Everything is just superficial and surface level with a repeat of everything that's trending.
What do you mean by that? Like their own drawings or looking at older paintings? Also it’s probably where you’re at on tiktok. I’ve seen plenty of older pieces being discussed and plenty of pieces that people make currently have a lot of meaning behind them.
THIS!! if you think about what trends were like 5 years ago… it’s crazy. trends now last about a week, while then, they’d last at most for a few months. tiktok changed the whole concept of trends and that’s not even an exaggeration.
fr im scared that we’re running out of ideas and just putting out anything we can without much thought and we move on to the next mediocre micro trend.. its unrealistic but I’m seriously freaked out by this
Fr its so scary how back then trends lasted a whole DECADE (y2k, 2010's, etc) but now there's a new trend/fashion style every 2 months... crazy how i can remember the bella swan aesthetic in september 2021, and since then we've had downtown girl, y2k, 2014 effy stonem tumblr girl, coquette and probably more than that. Pretty scary stuff
@@edgarallanpoe209 What's funny is that alot of these aesthetics are actually the same thing (e.g., bella swan aesthetic and downtown girl). It's like we're copying Hollywood's affinity for reboots but with our personalities/self-expression and on a much faster scale
@@edgarallanpoe209 it's so wild for me because I'll be 30 this year, and I remember when tumblr first became obsessed w Effy (and tumblr grunge as a whole). I still occasionally go on tumblr from time to time, and seeing all the "2014 tumblr" hashtags is... a weird feeling, to say the least. Same with seeing all the clothes I wore in high school now becoming some type of aesthetic described as something ending in the word core. Such a surreal and eerie thing to see
a bookstore in my city has a "booktok" section and every book there looks exactly the same. like the covers are literally indistinguishable from each other and i think that's so sad
@@xorayne_ Not too mention these are the same stories labeled “spicy” but the sex is vanilla as hell. Slight choking isn’t spicy 😭. Also, bringing in a Hispanic or African American best friend/ coworker who convinces the main character to “speak up” to the main male character is barely diversity ☠️
one of the reasons why i deleted tiktok is because i felt like i was losing my individual personality. i can’t handle having to fit into the tiny boxes of aesthetics. now all i need to do is get off twitter so i can escape the eternal doomscroll. baby steps to living in the real world again
let’s go! all I have is TH-cam, snap(I need it since my team’s group chat is on it), and insta, because my school uses it. I’ve been intentionally avoiding tiktok because it just seems addictive, and twitter is a cesspool. join the club :D
i deleted tiktok right before the johnny depp and amber heard trial and the way my friends w/ tiktok were talking ab it compared the friends w/out tiktok were talking about it was insane. It’s a very specific example but tiktok (and basically any social media) makes you so blind to anything that happens outside of it. I’m so less stressed without it, and this sounds very dramatic but i feel like i have way more of an identity
15:22 i totally agree. whenever a queer book is represented on booktok, it's always a mlm relationship with two white men, usually written by a straight white woman. as a lesbian, it's hard for me to find a book that portrays my identity as something positive and not a fetish for men or some random character's two moms. I cant imagine how hard it is for lesbians of color, disabled lesbians, plus sized lesbians or anyone else that doesn't look like me just finding them being positively seen in a book. obviously it's not like how it was 10 years ago, but it's still a challenge
Or even gay men who want to find a book written by an actual gay man and not written by a straight woman (or even by a woman in general). And forget it if you're a trans person looking for a book with trans characters that isn't about just being trans.
People did this with killing stalking but instead of calling it a psychological thriller they called it a romance story. Alot of people sugar coat the series and young girls like 12-14 romanticize the relationship. It goes towards a certain demographic but people shy away from it.
the steve lacy situation honestly angers me. he is so talented and it's sad that people were paying $100+ for a HOOK and not even the full song. our attention spans are getting so short and it's scary. short-form content is something I've been trying to avoid lately.
i agree (even tho i don’t know much about his art and deleted tiktok) but maybe they truly felt interested about his music after going to the concert! (still sucks for him bc no one sang along)
I literally haven’t even seen a for you page since March, (addiction) and babes this is scarrry why is tik tok so impactful to the fact a niche random author gets praised by 2B people. AND THE STEVE LACY SITUATION. AND BEING USED MORE THAN GOOGLE ??
Everybody's always concerned about what the kids are up to. The kids are all right around 75% of the time. They will be fine more or less; they'll make mistakes, have some truly outrageous hot takes, get too into something then take way too far but in the end hopefully they'll hit a decent middle ground.
Idk the degradation of late capitalism has been incredibly destructive the bite sized advertisement platform absolutely doesn’t help. Screens are accepted widely to literally stunt the development of young children’s brains.
No, not really. The kids are actually not doing alright. Spend more than an hour with kids these days (kids who are highly active on social media) and you will immediately see how not alright the kids are
i think the issue isn't necessarily tiktok ruining art forms, but how the app PRAISES mediocrity. of course everyone has to start somewhere, but when its just a huge pattern it gets exhausting. and thats not to say i dont enjoy a good whattpad fanfic or a book that could be alot better!😅
yeah i feel like thats definitely the fault of the fast paced algorithm, of course you will never be able to post perfection and absolute greatness every day on there so it just gets swallowed
I think its a good thing, I think many people gave up creative endeavours because they felt they had to be exemplary. Hopefully the next generation will have a healthier relationship with creativity because of this.
It doesn’t always praise meritocracy. In fact their is the other end of tiktok where your mediocrity will turn you into an inescapable meme. like that girl who claimed she was in the wrong art class.
It doesn't so much praise mediocrity, as impose a content structure and recommendation algorithm that makes complexity and nuance effectively impossible. It did for art what Twitter did for social discourse.
I think one of the funniest things that happened because of TikTok's influence on the music industry is Mitskis nomination for best new artist when she has literally been creating music since like 2012. Im glad that she is becoming more popular because I love her music and im glad she was nominated for a grammy but its just really funny and interesting.
my problem with booktok is that is recommendations are copy and pasted so many times that a book with bigotry can trend on the app simply because the cover and tropes are appealing
istg, like I have found some really good books that are very famous on booktok but I’ve found so many underrated books and I think more people should read them as well !!
@@MEOWMIX3DS i might be biased but even as a nonreader song of achilles has been a major rec since ive interacted with booktube but fr though im glad you found that book! never personally read it, but i have heard plenty of good stuff about it (made me curious to read it myself lmao) - btw if you liked soa maybe youll enjoy circe? its by the same author and has a lot of good reviews, you should totally give it a look
@@ephemeral999 ohhh nice! thanks for the rec! if you have any way to read soa, please do! it's the most beautiful book I've read and it's so... just wow..
Also some recs that aren’t coho/P Douglas: - crier’s war (wlw rep) - cemetery boys (poc, transgender rep) - Gideon the ninth (wlw rep) - Skin of the sea (poc mermaids rep) - Blackout (poc wlw and mlm rep) - when you were everything - Hani and Ishu’s guide to fake dating (poc wlw rep) - The trouble with hating you (poc rep) - Henna wars (poc wlw rep) - excuse me while I’ll ugly cry (poc rep) - Brown sister trilogy (poc + plus size rep) - a pho love story (poc rep)
i wanna add that in gideon the ninth the main characters are based off Māori people, but since it's in a sci-fi setting not on our world, that doesn't really come into play apart from physical descriptions. also, it's a very very trigger heavy book that explores abusive and age gap relationships, child death and imperialism! def would not read it if you're looking for a light fun WLW read, but if you are looking for lighter WLW scifi ill recommend This Is How You Lose The Time War
I want to add a underrated and very cute romance book. It’s not smutty which I prefer and the main characters bond over books and I think it’s very easy and fun to read so
YES, you hit the nail on the coffin! there's so much now on the internet, I MEAN SO MUCH. more than books in the world (that's hyperbole) but really there's so much now, and it's all accessible! now!
one of my problems with booktok is how since a lot of people have only been reading y/a romance (not everyone does that). but now people have horrible reading comprehension. for example, one novel that is misrepresented on booktok is lolita. i have seen so many people thinking it’s an actual romance novel, and they take everything hh says at face value, so they think “no, it’s not abusive, they love eachother.” edit: i want to clarify that what i meant by y/a romance was things like 365 days, colleen hoover, etc… y/a and romance are not lesser genres, there are many very talented y/a and romance authors. it’s not only a problem with those genres, there are those problems with all genres of media.
I've seen people who are anti Nabokov because they think *_Lolita_* is endorsing the narrator's actions and contributes to the culture of overs/xualizing teen girls. They completely missed the point of the book and ignore the fact that Nabokov was a survivor himself
@@s29nv1sr1 yes, that’s exactly what i mean. it’s so frustrating when people misunderstand and mischaracterize the novel. i remember seeing a quote from nabokov himself saying that he didn’t want dolores on the cover because that would contradict what the story is about. i think a part of the misunderstanding of the novel is due to the 60’s film, but it’s also a lack of comprehension, and that saddens me.
this makes me wonder what side of booktok you’re on because I’ve seen a lot of pretty popular videos addressing the fact that Lolita isn’t something that should be romanticized, and that the author fully intended for Humbert to be a villain. If anything, I’d say that the whole “reading comprehension not being a thing” in relation to this book originated on tumblr about a decade ago. Attributing the misinterpretation of this book solely to tiktok feels wrong.
@@riley9703 i should clarify that it’s not booktok as a whole. there are plenty of people who are passionate about literature and analysis of novels. the problem is the “book girlies” who make reading colleen hoover (and other similar authors) their entire personality. those type of people are the ones who mischaracterize lolita and other similar novels because their minds are used to romance novels with no deeper meaning. sorry for the long message, i hope it makes sense.
It makes no sense that you would blame teens only reading romance and y/a to the reason why Lolita gets misinterpreted and sexualized. Romance and y/a are not less intelligent genres with no deeper meanings and people who read them don’t have bad reading comprehensions. The problem with Lolita has been happening way before TikTok with the movie and whatever Lana del Rey was doing. And I’ve actually seen more people on tiktok addressing the problem with Lolita then contributing to it.
The part about Steve Lacy’s concert actually really upset me. A lot of people work VERY hard on their music and art, and the fact that some people went to his concert just to hear a small portion of a popular song of his is just upsetting
Yeah, it definitely sucks. When it comes to concerts like that, people going there should already know the music or at least be willing to appreciate all of it instead of just part of a song. In the alternative community, I have heard of people going to concerts of bands they don't know, but that type of behavior is quite different because these people are searching for new music and also supporting small artists at small venues. They're not just buying tickets that could have been bought by more experienced fans, and then not even appreciating the music they are hearing.
Hopefully at least some of them left with a greater appreciation for Lacy's work. I know it would never have been all of them, but like... I like to at least _pretend_ that folks care on some level about music they buy concert tickets to hear.
same things with BTS, saw vids of concerts where ppl were screaming their new songs but their older (and more iconic) songs ppl were silent asf whereas older fans would have screamed their lungs off
I also hate the "Trust The Process" thing. EVERYONE EVERYWHERE while doing anything mildly unpleasant to the eye is like "trust the process". B**** I don't need a warning. I don't expect something that ends beautiful to be beautiful 100% of the time of production, and neither should you. Puberty should have taught us that. You might end up a beautiful 20yo, or a beautiful 30yo or older, even though you were an ugly duckling as a teen or an ugly baby. My cake WILL BE an amorphous blob before I put it in the oven. My makeup WILL BE making me look like I threw flour on my face before I finish it. My drawings WILL BE messy and unnatural and dirty OR WHATEVER ELSE because I'm STILL DRAWING. And none of those has an obligation to be perfect by the time they're finished or any moment before that.
I like to hand sculpt ceramics and people would constantly ask what I was making and then say "it doesn't look like a so-and-so." It drove me so crazy I just stopped telling people what I was making. They'd ask and I'd say "you'll find out when I'm finished." So long story short I totally understand why everyone feels the need to say trust the process. Otherwise people are so obnoxious and rude about it
@@rachel3760 but people can be rude and obnoxious all the time. They used to see me drawing and say "oh I don't have that talent" and I would be pissed because yeab, neither do I, ya dingus. I have drawn everyday since I was 10 years old, you'd draw like this too if you had done the same. Whenever I said I was cute, people would make sure to remind me that I wasn't and that there were people prettier than me. If I had let them make me stop saying how much I thought of myself as pretty, my self-esteem would be in the gutter right now. I love to educate people on that whenever I get the chance, because I love being more obnoxious than whoever is being obnoxious to me.
Actually I feel the opposite. I've been held back by perfectionism and the fear of messing up all my life and the phrase "trust the process" is really helpful in the early stage of a drawing/painting/logo/article layout. Repeating it inside my mind makes me not want to set the thing I'm making on fire, give up forever, get a new identity and run away to another country.
I think this comes off as a bit unhinged. If "trust the process" doesn't apply to you, then that's cool. that's chill. Some people feel insecure about something not looking perfect at first. And that's cool and chill too. Other people's feelings about their craft shouldn't affect you at all. Opp "I love being more obnoxious than whoever is being obnoxious to me" sums it up pretty well.
That Steve Lacy situation made me weirdly annoyed, why would you go to a concert if you didn't know the words to the songs to sing a long, it feels like you're cheating the artist out of real fans. I would've killed to be at that concert.
Ikr like do the required listening, get your homework done. I went to a concert last week for one singular artist but I didn’t know the music, so I downloaded like 3 of the albums they were performing so I’d know what I was in for omegalul
personally i wouldn’t even go to a concert of an artist or a band if i hadn’t listened to them for at least a year. it just wouldn’t feel right to me. so all that with steve pissed me off too. i’m sure 70% of those who went to his tour, hadn’t even heard of him till he released bad habit.
@@blond5361 that's so weird to me because where i'm from, people go to concerts of artists they have never heard of before simply because they are bored with nothing else to do, and they like listening to music and discovering new artists. so they just drop a visit at the concert and cheer for the musician and leave happy, knowing they discovered something wonderful
@@jiribb9300 where i live they do the same, and is really cool. but in this situation it feels like they just wanted to show they where in a steve lacy concert because his music is viral in the app.
My biggest issue with booktok is that the books that get recommended are all the same. They mostly fall into two genres: sexy dark contemporary romances and sexy dark light fantasies. There’s nothing wrong with these genres, of course, but where’s the variety? It’s a bit disheartening for me as a budding author. I write high fantasy and I know having social media is a pretty good way to get your book out there, but like… unless TikTok’s taste change, I and many other authors who write genre fiction that’s not romance will not see any traction on the biggest book advertising platform.
Can I ask if you have any published work out yet? I’ve been looking for a new fantasy book that’s not centered around romance and would love to check your work out💕
Yes yes yes!! I'm also a writer, and the publishing industry was terrifying enough without booktok. My book is literally an outpouring of my soul, my culture, and everything I've ever loved, but in the current booktokification of the industry, it's reduced to whatever tropes I can sift out of it. It's hard to write freely when the narrow parameters booktok has shoved us into to sell are always in the back of your mind. Not to sound like a capitalist harpy, but yeah, I want to make a living off my writing.
YA Fantasy literally made me give up on reading as a whole. I only read books recommended by Ted Ed(I highly recommend Fahrenheit 451, A Thousand Years of Longing, and The Handmaid's Tale) and with books like ACoTandR, Lightlark, and It Ends With Us I have decided. This is probably the most corporate thing I've seen since Disney realized they can resell their own films.
@@pizzapower3166 I have to agree and disagree. I love YA, and I think that, just like we all want representation, it's so incredibly wonderful that young people are able to see themselves through fiction. I really dislike this commonly toted idea that all YA is garbage, because it isn't-- writers like A.S. King, Christelle Dabos, Seanan McGuire and Markus Zusack are consistently churning out popular YA that has real literary merit. And there is more casually entertaining, high stakes fantasy YA that is intricately plotted and well written, too. But I think the issue is that we only see ACOTAR and Lightlark because of BookTok. That side of the industry is probably
Also about booktok: There are different sides of booktok and depending on what posts you interact with your fyp changes. Ppl that say “coho is the only author on booktok” def have a very one sided fyp and interact with one type of post: coho slander/ commenting on coho vids. I’m mostly on fantasy/ dystopian booktok and when my fyp changed from romance to fantasy focused, coho basically disappeared from my page and more diverse books started appearing. If people that hated coho so much started investing that energy into recommending diverse books, their fyp and maybe even booktok will change sooner rather than later.
Totally! I literally never see coho on my fyp. All the drama and weird trends I hear about is from ppl on TH-cam talking about it. I guess I must be doing a good job of curating my page 🤷♀️
I'm honestly so glad I'm not as extremely online as I used to be in tumblr era. I can see how much of a huge role TikTok has on my perception of the world, AND I'M NOT EVEN ON IT! I also feel it changed the way people interact with one another, and as an older gen-z person, it sometimes makes me feel alienated to not be in the increasingly short-lived loops...
same i delated tiktok 2 years ago since it became one big trigger for me and honestly i don’t miss it like i can’t even relate w anyone who use tiktok and knows all of thecurrent trends songs memes etc bc i have no f idea what they are talking about lol feel like i’m almost missing out on adolescence hbut still 🥴 not going back
I’m a younger gen z (17) and I’ve never had tik tok, and i very much relate. Seems like literally everything is happening there and especially since I’m not on any social media (besides yt if that counts) I’m completely unaware of most trends. I feel like it’s better that way though sometimes bc microtrends and all that. Seems like whatever the hot new thing is changes on the weekly, and everyone wants it right then and there. It’s also just kinda harrowing how attached a lot of people are to their phones now and i don’t want to go back to when i would spend most of my day bouncing between Instagram and discord and TH-cam without ever doing anything that made me happy
@@Alice-gr1kb Exactly! So much time spent being barely entertained just for the kick of dopamine, without actually doing anything that makes me feel fulfilled...
@@majalaja799 yeah as you should, I'm not even on "surface-Tok" like the stuff you see when you first get on, tiktok is a cesspool. I couldn't even count the amount of times I've seen people talk about Self harm, or yk Suidice. abuse, child abuse, CSA, SA, r@pe, depression, severe anxiety, Proshipping. (if yk yk) though from what i've heard it's basically toxic Tumblr 2. (I wasn't around for toxic tumblr, but on GOD THE STUFF YOU HEAR) which makes sense, as the young millennials grow up. the new Gen Z fill the niche yk? makes sense, but for you this is all new horrible cesspool stuff. when that's just how social media rolls for some reason. it's a cycle so far I've seen, you go from "fandom obsessed" to "mellowed out adult" in your teens, or whatever suits you. but it's really a cycle, and it all comes from bullying and then healing. so idk, that's my thoughts.
i think another problem is that booktok encourages the overconsumption of books- i’ve seen so many book hauls that make it seem normal to constantly be buying books. also, i have friends who regularly buy books but don’t read them, and i’m starting to wonder if this is just another way to fit in with the trends of tiktok?
I've also seen that on TH-cam as well and honestly it feels like that's the type of content pushed on booktube or is at least a large majority of the content. Also the glamorization of owning your own giant book collection when libraries are viable.
I think its obvious why booktok mostly recommends new ya/romance fictions its because they are young adults these books are made for them and they like them and its actually really good that they are supporting new writers (but yea i wont really read colleen hoover myself) but also they do talk about classics not as much but esp like jane eyre ofc it has flaws but something that makes kids read is definitely not the problem
oooo yeah that’s a good point! And besides, even if they weren’t young adults, I think there’s still value in the genre-just like there is in romance. These are two widely disparaged genres (for reasons I’m sure we can all guess) but I personally love them!
It’s funny though because a lot that they recommend came out a decade ago- they just talk about the same ‘hot’ YA authors who started their series years ago 😂
Tiktok doesn’t ruin art, but it ruins advertising and it ruins attention spans, which will effect what kind of art gets popular. also, often it makes the artist and the process much more visible, and puts pressure on them to be more “pretty” and make the process look good for more likes
tbh my only thought about booktok is that i’m so fucking glad the girlies still read?? ik that sounds insane, but I was afraid we had all collectively stopped reading and i have been happily proven wrong, so idc that it’s objectively corny romance novels we’re reading, as long as we can still enjoy the beauty of reading as a community
true!!! i was so delighted when my friend who professed to hate books suddenly started reading because of booktok! while booktok has its evils, im glad more people are reading
I initially started reading due to booktok promoting reading as being “aesthetic”. A few years later and I’m in love with reading! Even though booktok still gets onto my nerves sometimes, I think it can really get more people into reading.
New lurker (soooorrryyy) turned subscriber here! I absolutely LOVE this channel. Your production quality, scripts and sense of humor are top notch without making me feel distanced from you. All the best to you, Shanaya! I really do appreciate your hard work and content.
I don’t have a TikTok account and I can feel the impact of that app in the way we consume media. Seeing people have curated personalities/interested that are heavily influenced by that app is scary
Still watching the video, BUT I do sincerely hope that you can find joy again in your work!! Whether it’s long form or short commentary, I’m always excited to watch 💖 absolutely LOVE the costume too can’t wait to see that vid :)
I’m that weird millennial who watches the uploaded TikTok videos on TH-cam so from that angle I just shrug. I also don’t have my TH-cam save my history so I don’t deal with its algorithm either. I mainly get any recs from written sources personally. I’ve been reading Fanfiction since the late 90s so my tolerance for weird, disturbing and wacky is very high. People complained about the same thing with Booktube and it has expanded beyond its YA beginnings. Booktok will no doubt do the same.
19:44 godddd this reminds me of when i went to see mitski earlier this year. like ive been listening to her since 2017-2018 and she finally came to sweden, and there was a HUGE crowd of people that were silent for 90% of the concert, and the other 10% they only sang along in the chorus or were filming. like halfway through the concert, after she had sung me and my husband (one of the few songs that people knew lmao), someone in the crowd yelled out "say something!" like cmon!!! what!!!!! dont be rude!!! the only song everybody knew the entirety of was nobody. like what are you doing here, why did you pay money to go to a concert if you only know 2 out of like 12 songs...?
see, that is so disrespectful to the artist but also the real fans. i think, if anyone is going to a concert of an artist they recently got into, they should have the decency to learn the lyrics and songs, so they don’t collectively ruin a concert experience for other fans.
I have been really feeling this shift in music particularity in the metal scene. I went to see Bad Omens recently. I learned the day of the concert that they had a song blowup on Tiktok. While it’s great that Tiktok is getting a lot of people into the scene, that crowd definitely felt off. I love talking to people at concerts, asking who else they listen to, finding new bands from other people and listening to the opening performances. The audience during the openers were…dead…hardly any hype or cheering, and I felt so bad for them. The mosh pit had people falling down and not being picked up as quickly as they should be. And of course when they play Just Pretend, the song that blew up, all the phones went up. I don’t want to point fingers all on Tiktok and say this is all their fault, and that there weren’t already existing problems in the community beforehand, but it does make me feel some type of way about where this scene is going. I find most metalheads are actually very passionate about music and there for a great time. We’re also usually pretty happy that metal isn’t mainstream, since we constantly get shit on for our music taste, and it’s become our little wholesome community where we all just kinda get each other (Not to mention it’s so easy to go to concerts cause tickets are so cheap). All I ask of anyone getting into the music from Tiktok to please explore the artists’ discography. If you’re going to a concert, learn proper etiquette for the artist and the crowd. It’s not about how you bought the ticket and gave them money. They’re artists, and they want to perform more than just a few seconds of one song, because they have so much more to give than that. Newcomers are always welcome in the community. We just ask for respect for the artists and for the fans who have been in this community for many years.
i just left a comment about how i feel about Ghost going Viral. I know going viral is good for the bands and it helps them reach out to new audiences, it just felt… really bad to me. being a metalhead in the bible belt isn’t a very fun experience. i’ve been bullied for liking Ghost specifically because of its satanic themes. Seeing people walk around with Seven Inches of Satanic Panic shirts after my dad burned all of my Ghost merchandise felt like a slap in the face.
It's also like...people in the punk movement are sometimes just slapping on the stereotypical outfit aesthetic and not even understanding the history or listening to the music. Just like..we're here for the jams, the anti-fascism, and the big queer and poc scene...right guys? Not just putting safety pins on a black skirt .
Makes me think of all the people making videos like “I can’t believe I dressed and acted like that how embarrassing” about trends they partook in a year ago/sometimes even more recently. It’s like babe what do you mean??? Microtrends are scary because I’m all for trying different looks and interests but it’s wild how people seem to think if they decide it’s not their thing they immediately have to start making fun of it.
I think a problem is anti-intellectualism and that short-form media encourages it, challenging art requires time and cannot effectively be summed up in a snappy decisive hook, allowing for nuance and multiple interpretations is important. The way a piece is “sold” can cause problems for experiencing it as well, people can read for the Hook and put blinders on to other concepts the work has to offer or be disappointed by “false advertising” (as well as judging pieces by their own current personal sense of morality rather than being interested in the context of the piece’s creation or even internal context and engaging with the differences)
you could sit in an empty room with just your lovely self and i would watch it i love your videos so much! you could talk about anything and i would tune in just for you
I think the main problem I have with tiktok is it's absolute and complete control over the music industry.. Tiktok can be great for discovering new artists and helping grow followings but at the same time they completely devalue the artists' contribution. As an artist myself, I understand how much work gets put into everything, into going on tours, writing music and so on, so when the people that come to your shows sing only one verse of a song you wrote and know absolutely nothing else, it hurts as an artist. I've also been told that i should "dumb down" or simplify my music so that it can become a tiktok trend and i think we just need to be wary of how tiktok affects our consumption of art. We don't have to write it off completely but i would also like to see music popular on tiktok but not have it define and dominate the industry, thereby forcing artists to conform to a 15 second trend.
The Steve lacy clip just made me sooo sad😩 I’ve also noticed at concerts that people have to record everythinggg it’s like ppl can’t enjoy the moment anymore, everything is for the aesthetic
You're totally right with why things today are majority fast phased. I miss times where we are not that spoon feed to alot of content because now there are a huge ton of trends come and go like aesthetics and fashion. I rarely see "iconic" moments now compared to previous years. Everything feels so "manufactured" now and not "authentic". I myself don't participate in a lot of trends I only chose what I like because if I do participate in almost all of them It would been exhausting.
God, every time ya dropped "baby balls" a vine boom plays in my head 😭 That aside, I appreciate yer nuanced analysis! With how popular Tik Tok is, most users are going to be only surface level consumers, and that does not take away value from art!
i went to a måneskin concert recently and the amount of people who where just there for beggin and i want to be your slave and only sung the 15 second fragments that were trending on tiktok was astounding
I think it’s interesting to see that Colleen Hoover’s writing is portrayed as uniquely problematic when 50 Shades of Grey became extremely popular to the point of becoming a movie series. You’re totally right about it being emblematic of a larger systemic issue. On twitter I see so many claims that Gen Z, especially on tik tok, is uniquely anti intellectual and often similar to some criticisms of the book tok recommendations, it is hidden elitism. I wonder sometimes that certain things being visible to everyone on the internet makes a problem seem as if it’s worse than it truly is. Before if a teenager said they didn’t care about doing any deeper analysis of a book, it would stay within their friend group. There was no way for other likeminded teens to signal their agreement. Now, it is visible on the internet for thousands of like minded peers across the world to relate. Also, 1) your costume is so cool 2)you would not let those baby ⚽️⚾️ go. but that’s a very “wtf” type of thing to write about so I understand.
If some conservatives can get away with spewing uninspired nonsense as their full-time job why can't you? Seriously though, I'd be fine with high effort productions bi-monthly or whatever schedule suits you and more casual content in between. The most important thing is that we still get to critically engage with your analyses & get an occasional peak at your excellent humour (loved the deadpan way you edited the "darkness growing inside" and the dog joke 😂) (EDIT: the opening sentence may read as an insult but it's supposed to mean that even casual Shanspeare content would still be of way higher production quality)
I heard Bad Habits on tiktok and I loved that part of it and I started listening to it and now I can sing that whole song by heart and I started listening to his other songs. I’ve also found many good books on booktok. So yes you can find good songs as well as books on tiktok . But I 100% agree with everything you are saying.
as a musician that is finally gonna release some music at some point in the near future, i am absolutely terrified of the prospect of having my music blow up on tiktok. it seriously fills me with dread, because i really don't want to end up like Steve Lacy. the Steve Lacy situation is honestly a shame, he's insanely talented and people are ruining his tour just for the sake of... god knows what. from what i know, seeing that kind of stuff happening at your concerts is absolutely devastating
Omg you did a phenomenal job on that cosplay!!! Your creativity in costuming, skits, editing, etc. constantly and thoroughly impresses me, thank you for blessing us with your existence and hard work
super excited about the decision to have some more scaled back videos mixed in with your ones tbh; I have a lot more time + attention span to listen to podcast-style content and I often find myself waiting to watch video essays bc I'm waiting for a time where I can pay full attention to all the effort that goes into the visuals of video essays. also just love more laid back stuff like this, especially when someone's making a mix of elaborate and more low key content -- it's almost comforting to watch in a way more produced video essays aren't. Like watching a documentary about a subject vs listening to your prof go off on a tangent about that same subject. 👌👌
When it comes to booktok, my problem is that the aesthetics are so important that ppl ignore the problematic stuff in the actual books (eg. Colleen Hoover)
Man, I was typing up a whole ass post to reply to this video, since as an artist/content creator myself, I can relate so hard, but damn if I'm not so tired of all this x'D I just wish we didn't have to "grind" and "hustle" every two seconds for the smallest drop of acknowledgement and maybe a penny in return before we're shoved back down only to do it all over again. I hope your new upload schedule works better for you. You do fantastic work, and you deserve some reprieve from these unforgiveable algorithms.
also, shan, i really love your videos. i’ve gotten kind of sick of creators making throwing shade their thing, as it just feels immature at this point, but you rarely if never do that. great arguments, writing, and visuals (including you c:)
Tho Idk that I’d agree wholeheartedly with the assertion, I think one thing that can be said about tik tok (perhaps social media in general) is that it puts a lot more emphasis on vibes sorry I meant ✨vibes ✨than it does the actual contents/details of a piece of art. Hence ppl can go to a Steve Lacy concert not knowing the lyrics to even his biggest song cos it’s about the overall ✨mood ✨ not the actual content and the latter arguably isn’t particularly necessary for the former Oh and as it pertains to booktok, I’m a time that is so plagued with nostalgia and looking back to the past, I think, tho it has its flaws, it’s great that modern books are being championed. It helps dispel the idea that there’s nothing worth reading from recent times.
As someone who’s grown up with parents who are in a healthy relationship, hearing and seeing some of the things written in a ton of YA fiction and media baffles me. When my mom tells me about things my dad would do for her, it sounds like a genuinely lovely show of love and affection. Comparing it to how some authors will partially romanticize unhealthy relationships it’s baffling that anyone finds that sort of thing cute.
Your production quality truly is amazing and I'm happy you're not totally dropping your theatrical aesthetic, but tbh I come to you for the analysis! Excited for your new format 💕
In these times where short form content is the most effective way to get eyes on your art, it can feel a bit daunting to be an artist of any kind. But there are definitely still people who seek out long form videos, listen to entire albums, and appreciate a piece of art beyond the 30 second process time-lapse. It can feel like the world is moving faster and faster, especially with how quickly things become viral and fade into obscurity and I think that for people like me who were raised with the internet almost always available, remembering to slow down is going to be really important for our health and for how much we enjoy the art around us. Good art deserves our full and prolonged attention and we deserve to fully soak it in too. I hope everyone is doing well and I hope Shanspeare can find more joy in making videos for us to watch.
I agree wholeheartedly with this. As someone raised in the same generation with internet always available, these are problems that a lot of us struggle with. And the way to fight that shrinking attention span is to do things like you are saying, to watch long form videos, to listen to entire albums. It is something that I do attempt to do as someone who appreciates art as a whole, and especially music, and it is a struggle sometimes but it's worth it.
I literally just watched this video because you're dressed as my favorite character from my favorite movie.🎉 I was babydoll last Halloween, I love to sew, so i made the costume too! I love yours! The fit is gorgeous and your sailor tie is flawless! Keep slaying with the costumes. Looking forward to your sewing tutorial video!❤
I settled in for a more casual video and you proceeded to provide the most in depth analysis of this topic I've seen yet. I'm here for more toned down videos, please do whatever you need to take care of yourself & ensure that you still enjoy your job. PS. Your costume is cute AF and the fact you made it makes it even better.
do what you need to do to preserve your mental health and avoid burnout! i think i can speak on behalf of most of your subscribers in saying we will enjoy any content you put out no matter how much time there is between videos 💕
your smile at the end is everything!! you're an amazing content creator and great at what you do, i think id love to watch any content from you because you just have this calm yet intellectual atmosphere. you're doing well, please do what makes you happy and what will be best for you!!:)
Just a thought, maybe TikTok is making ppl finally realize the media being pushed is mediocre 🤷🏽♀️ and they are sick of it. Which actually pushes ppl to actually seek out media they like or demand better quality in the art they consume. I see more and more ppl buying physical books and are wanting a ppl to make albums again and want to buy CDs. So this might be a good thing good thing to an extent. But hey I’m just a baby millennial who likes to own physical copies of things. So this all this might be a stretch 😅
Definitely @ colleen hoover not introducing anything new. My mum used to tell me about Mills and Boone series and men literally kidnapping teenagers, taking them far away having them in captivity and SAing them was depicted as romantic. Not a new problem
Yes omg! All the guys from her books are huge red flags and for me to see young girls and grown adults who skipped their wattpad phase wanting to have a relationship with guys like these is terrifying.
such a fantastic video! as someone who doesnt use tiktok, it was very eye-opening to hear about. Unfortunately as an artist ive felt the push to stay relevant on my platforms by creating my art and thus it doesn't feel fun anymore...Burnout sucks. So i hope you continue to enjoy making videos! the bi-monthly idea sounds great!
I live in Germany, and thanks to booktok, the English section at my local bookstore has gone from two to SIX shelves over the past year. If only the public library would follow suit…
I still arugue that pandemic spolied us when it comes to consuming media. With everyone at home, there were very few ways to entertain yourself. We kept demanding more media, to keep us entertained and the same fast paced environment has not gone away. Netflix needs to constantly keep up with binge culture, content creators were constantly pressured by fans to upload more, and music production was on demand. We are so impatient now. And all these industries are industries as you said so their focus is money which puts pressure on their staff and leads to burn out. It's wild out there
this is so interesting. I've been getting into haiku lately (I'm actually of japanese descent so not just a weird weeb ok?) and I find it so interesting that it's a very old traditional form but would work perfectly for today. it's so short and simple but with very strong imagery and honestly just perfect for today. I'm surprised it hasn't exploded on tiktok or other social media yet. most haiku are shorter than most twitter posts and would go perfectly over an aesthetic picture (again another old traditional art form) or short clip.
i have really complicated feeling about the term “anti-intellectualism” becuase of the amount of times i’ve seen it used to either downplay the importance of contemporary media and/or be classist and elitist. i saw people on twitter ranting about teens on tiktok who were saying analyzing art is pretentious and art should be self explanatory- and while i do agree those are pretty bad takes, i also can understand where the kids are coming from. like we can’t ignore the art worlds actual problem of being pretentious, and how even today there’s still a lot of inaccessibility to the “real” art world. but these people on twitter were looking down on these TEENS as if they’re the reason for all societal issues just bc they might be jaded on the subject. but there’s countless other times i’ve seen people use the term “anti intellectualism” to put themselves on a pedestal and call the rest of us ignorant and stupid just because we don’t go to sleep cradling an emily brontë book every night
I think the issue here is that, the “teens” are actually adults, which makes this topic even more frustrating Because these adults, who should already at this point of their lives recognize that marginalized groups and various backgrounds have contributed fantastic works in our world, and has created ways to help it reach to everyone(or at the very least recognize they have the ability to provide these sources) just ignore all of that
I think the other thing is that a lot of these takes are made by privileged people that don’t actually have trouble accessing to these stories And it takes away focus of others that really do have trouble accessing to the material
So here's the thing I feel about the elitist vs anti-intellectualism debate- while on every side of it you're going to have large amounts of people essentially throwing around buzzwords to defend an emotional reaction they have to feeling called out (same in all internety debates) the idea that theres some great divide between the institutional intellectuals and the ordinary, un-prentious folk is built on a lot of fallacies. Art and education about art is more wildly accessible and easier to create than any other time in history. If you're online having debates about art under a video talking about art, you're already proving that you're in a position to begin to engage in critical readings and criticism of art. The key word is begin- comprehension and criticism are skills. Like any skill, you need to work on them. That does NOT mean paroting established critics - and I'm not just talking about some college professors or snobby article, I'm also talking about twitter hot takes and you tube videos- both can be equally good or bad. It means practising, like any other skill- reading a lot, engaging a lot, and often stopping yourself from making knee jerk reactions. If you like something or dislike something you have to understand why. If other people like or dislike something, you have to try to understand why. It's not about studying one text in isolation, it's about context- within the works medium, genre, cultural and temporal origin, and outside it, and also with real life. If you're legitimately intrested in this stuff, theres not a whole lot stopping you assuming you have any free time and an internet connection- yes obviously free time is often a luxury but plenty of people have a wealth of free time (and a wealth of everything else) and still manage to be anti-intellectual. If you're NOT intrested in it enough to bother, that's also fine. No ones obliged to, or can, take part in any hobby or career or learn every skill because that's not how life works. But you cant pretend you're as good or better at a skill that you havnt practised as someone who has- your personal emotional response and opinions are valid, but that's all they are- personal opinions.
Leaving a comment to boost the engagement and appease the eldritch whims of the algorithm, but also I kept forgetting you were wearing a costume and I kept thinking "what happened to her hand??" 😭😭
You explained this so perfectly!! I’m always so in awe of the way you’re able to put such specific and complex thoughts into perfectly worded sentences LOL! But seriously, it’s terrifying the way we consume and spit out content/products/ and people so cyclically. The idea of having to fight continuously to stay relevant sounds so draining; I’m glad you’re deciding to take it easy on yourself to preserve your energy. You do a lot, thank you so much for your videos 🫶🏾🙌🏾
Please take care of yourself first!!! You're one of my favorite creators on here, and I'm definitely not alone in that opinion. Your videos will be just as fun if you shorten them, or worry less about the production value and citing dozens of respected sources. Your humor and wit as you talk about topics many of us havent heard of is the draw for me, and is enjoyable no matter the subject matter.
been a follower for almost a year now, and I love your content so much, I love the way you talk and explain things, you've helped me improve my English and my vocabulary so much, thank you and keep it up!
People also say how artists dont get to develop. Like they said ice spice was on some tv show but she performed so poorly, because she literally JUST blew up
Great video! Parts of this reminded me of Mina Le's content, in a good way as in complimentary and not copying. Micro trends, capitalism, personalities, and more. That would be an awesome collab, you two are both great creators. I like that you are changing your content to better fit how you're feeling. It's so important to take care of ourselves, and self reflect to try to bring joy to our lives and not overwork. You're setting that good example
Yooooo another video essayist? Fuck yes, TH-cam truly knows what I love As for this video, it's pretty informative! I'm maybe a fourth of the way in so far, and you've already taught me some stuff I didn't know, like how Booktok was swaying things! I had no idea they were affecting the industry like this!
What you don't see is that while booktok is increasing overall sales for the publishing industry, these sales are for the large part from Amazon, which, if you didn't know, is HORRIBLE for the bookselling industry. Amazon is driving independent bookstores and even Barnes & Noble out of business, and booktok has only expedited their impending monopoly. It's pretty bad.
im not on tik tok but i experienced this first hand going back to concerts this year /: i had no idea that mitski and phoebe bridgers went so viral on tik tok and the people at the concerts were literally awful... so disrespectful and made me not want to go to concerts anymore omg
Even if a part of TikTok promotes books, the app is still responsible for reducing the attention span of people to 60 seconds, and that definitely hinders our ability to sit down and actually read said books. Generally, a lot of people only engage with certain topics as part of their social media profile, and not at all in their real lives, which is concerning (especially for young people still figuring themselves out). Anyway, I really liked this video, even without extensive research you raise a lot of interesting and valuable points!!
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so fitting that this vid comes out among the news of zlibrary shutting down thanks to booktok exposure
Twitter has been in shambles since 💀
what does any of this mean 💀
Z-lib is shutting down?? WTF
Idk what's going on, I'm still able to use zlibrary? But rip, girlboss down
and the reason zlib shut down was bc of a coho fan on tt whos vid went viral
While we’re talking about books, everyone please get a library card if you don’t already it’s really good! support libraries!
Libby is my favourite app for reading ebooks from my library!
@Nadia M sameee
Definitely! I’m sad cuz I got the covs and I couldn’t return books and now I have like $41 in fees 😭
+1, libraries now help you read books on Kindle and borrow audiobooks!
@@S0m3thingab0utp0is0n if you call them and explain, they'll usually excuse it. Especially of you're not always late.although, the longer you wait, the less likely it'll work. Still, try it. But next time call sooner rather than later.
TikTok isn't ruining art, it's just ruining the way books are advertised. More and more authors care about spicy scenes and tropes, even if it doesn't fit the story.
lol preachhhh
I guess?? Like seeing the same trope over and over again gets tiring. Like i deadass hate enemies to lovers just cuz of the people not shutting up abt it. Itd a good trope but eh
Surely if the authors are caring more about spicy scenes then it’s affecting the art they’re creating. I don’t know much about booktok but I hope authors aren’t actually being influenced to that extent.
@@killme5630 i love it but people get it wrong all the time, its supposed to be done in a way where nobody can see it coming yk
@@stargirlabi_111 i guess.
To quote something I read on twitter: "art being called content and artists being called content creators has to be one of the worst things to happen in the art space in years". Thank you for another great video ❤️
fuck that’s so raw
So very much this.
It has always being that way for artists and their galleries, they produce and the gallery sells. Tik tok is like a gallery but jus another channel
Calling an artist a content creator just cheapens their hard work and disrespects their passions.
And have thousands of likes lol
As snobbish as this sounds, I don't like how tik tok treat art as aesthetic only and ignores all messages and meaning behind it. Everything is just superficial and surface level with a repeat of everything that's trending.
Depending on where you live, art that makes into galleries is also very superficial and thoughtless
Unfortunately, I might have to agree. Sometimes I feel like Tiktok ignores the content of the book.
agree, remember when running up that hill was playing behind prank videos? so weird
What do you mean by that? Like their own drawings or looking at older paintings? Also it’s probably where you’re at on tiktok. I’ve seen plenty of older pieces being discussed and plenty of pieces that people make currently have a lot of meaning behind them.
Everyone does that everywhere
The idea that everything is becoming a micro-trend is actually scary
THIS!! if you think about what trends were like 5 years ago… it’s crazy. trends now last about a week, while then, they’d last at most for a few months. tiktok changed the whole concept of trends and that’s not even an exaggeration.
fr im scared that we’re running out of ideas and just putting out anything we can without much thought and we move on to the next mediocre micro trend.. its unrealistic but I’m seriously freaked out by this
Fr its so scary how back then trends lasted a whole DECADE (y2k, 2010's, etc) but now there's a new trend/fashion style every 2 months... crazy how i can remember the bella swan aesthetic in september 2021, and since then we've had downtown girl, y2k, 2014 effy stonem tumblr girl, coquette and probably more than that. Pretty scary stuff
@@edgarallanpoe209 What's funny is that alot of these aesthetics are actually the same thing (e.g., bella swan aesthetic and downtown girl). It's like we're copying Hollywood's affinity for reboots but with our personalities/self-expression and on a much faster scale
@@edgarallanpoe209 it's so wild for me because I'll be 30 this year, and I remember when tumblr first became obsessed w Effy (and tumblr grunge as a whole). I still occasionally go on tumblr from time to time, and seeing all the "2014 tumblr" hashtags is... a weird feeling, to say the least. Same with seeing all the clothes I wore in high school now becoming some type of aesthetic described as something ending in the word core. Such a surreal and eerie thing to see
a bookstore in my city has a "booktok" section and every book there looks exactly the same. like the covers are literally indistinguishable from each other and i think that's so sad
the canvacore covers yeah ://
And 50% of the books are colleen hoover… Its so irrationally frustrating to me! Every book there is the same
Same, and I'm from a third world country I didn't think booktok's influence would reach this far...
why is that sad
@@xorayne_ Not too mention these are the same stories labeled “spicy” but the sex is vanilla as hell. Slight choking isn’t spicy 😭. Also, bringing in a Hispanic or African American best friend/ coworker who convinces the main character to “speak up” to the main male character is barely diversity ☠️
one of the reasons why i deleted tiktok is because i felt like i was losing my individual personality. i can’t handle having to fit into the tiny boxes of aesthetics. now all i need to do is get off twitter so i can escape the eternal doomscroll. baby steps to living in the real world again
you got thiss
let’s go! all I have is TH-cam, snap(I need it since my team’s group chat is on it), and insta, because my school uses it. I’ve been intentionally avoiding tiktok because it just seems addictive, and twitter is a cesspool. join the club :D
i deleted tiktok right before the johnny depp and amber heard trial and the way my friends w/ tiktok were talking ab it compared the friends w/out tiktok were talking about it was insane. It’s a very specific example but tiktok (and basically any social media) makes you so blind to anything that happens outside of it. I’m so less stressed without it, and this sounds very dramatic but i feel like i have way more of an identity
omg same i deleted today bcus of a rude awakening nvr going bck
i deleted my twitter account, i love it it changed me life!! you are much less reactive after.
15:22 i totally agree. whenever a queer book is represented on booktok, it's always a mlm relationship with two white men, usually written by a straight white woman. as a lesbian, it's hard for me to find a book that portrays my identity as something positive and not a fetish for men or some random character's two moms. I cant imagine how hard it is for lesbians of color, disabled lesbians, plus sized lesbians or anyone else that doesn't look like me just finding them being positively seen in a book. obviously it's not like how it was 10 years ago, but it's still a challenge
Or even gay men who want to find a book written by an actual gay man and not written by a straight woman (or even by a woman in general). And forget it if you're a trans person looking for a book with trans characters that isn't about just being trans.
Its like we haven't learned from our fanfiction days!!!
straight women need to stop fetishizing cutesy gay men
People did this with killing stalking but instead of calling it a psychological thriller they called it a romance story. Alot of people sugar coat the series and young girls like 12-14 romanticize the relationship. It goes towards a certain demographic but people shy away from it.
@@himikotoga4270 THANK you for mentioning Killing Stalking
read she drives me crazy! forgot the author but there’s butch and poc lesbian rep
the steve lacy situation honestly angers me. he is so talented and it's sad that people were paying $100+ for a HOOK and not even the full song. our attention spans are getting so short and it's scary. short-form content is something I've been trying to avoid lately.
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i had no idea any of his songs went viral, i would have been so confused at that show!
i agree (even tho i don’t know much about his art and deleted tiktok) but maybe they truly felt interested about his music after going to the concert! (still sucks for him bc no one sang along)
I literally haven’t even seen a for you page since March, (addiction) and babes this is scarrry why is tik tok so impactful to the fact a niche random author gets praised by 2B people. AND THE STEVE LACY SITUATION. AND BEING USED MORE THAN GOOGLE ??
I'm also trying to avoid short form content, also helps that creators like shanspeare are out here making all these ~half hour videos that I can watch
Everybody's always concerned about what the kids are up to. The kids are all right around 75% of the time. They will be fine more or less; they'll make mistakes, have some truly outrageous hot takes, get too into something then take way too far but in the end hopefully they'll hit a decent middle ground.
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75% of time is sending me 😭😭😭
the audacity to say that tiktok kids arent alright when the people saying it were superwholocked
Idk the degradation of late capitalism has been incredibly destructive the bite sized advertisement platform absolutely doesn’t help. Screens are accepted widely to literally stunt the development of young children’s brains.
No, not really. The kids are actually not doing alright. Spend more than an hour with kids these days (kids who are highly active on social media) and you will immediately see how not alright the kids are
i think the issue isn't necessarily tiktok ruining art forms, but how the app PRAISES mediocrity. of course everyone has to start somewhere, but when its just a huge pattern it gets exhausting. and thats not to say i dont enjoy a good whattpad fanfic or a book that could be alot better!😅
yeah i feel like thats definitely the fault of the fast paced algorithm, of course you will never be able to post perfection and absolute greatness every day on there so it just gets swallowed
I think its a good thing, I think many people gave up creative endeavours because they felt they had to be exemplary. Hopefully the next generation will have a healthier relationship with creativity because of this.
It doesn’t always praise meritocracy. In fact their is the other end of tiktok where your mediocrity will turn you into an inescapable meme. like that girl who claimed she was in the wrong art class.
It doesn't so much praise mediocrity, as impose a content structure and recommendation algorithm that makes complexity and nuance effectively impossible. It did for art what Twitter did for social discourse.
@@EphemeralTao makes me wanna gatekeep my interests. It just feels weird.
I think one of the funniest things that happened because of TikTok's influence on the music industry is Mitskis nomination for best new artist when she has literally been creating music since like 2012. Im glad that she is becoming more popular because I love her music and im glad she was nominated for a grammy but its just really funny and interesting.
She may have been here for 10 years but I’m still willing to campaign for her to win
I mean the Grammy nominees for Best New Artist are more often than not not actually that new...
I sneak corndogs into the buffet and watch patrons eat my corndogs thinking they are part of the buffet.
you do WHAT 😭
@@Shanspeare it's fine. I have a food handlers license... plus, the hard exoskeleton of the corndog keeps bacteria at bay
@@RyanCoomer huh? What????
@@RyanCoomer hard????
Sam ‘n Ella
my problem with booktok is that is recommendations are copy and pasted so many times that a book with bigotry can trend on the app simply because the cover and tropes are appealing
istg, like I have found some really good books that are very famous on booktok but I’ve found so many underrated books and I think more people should read them as well !!
tbh tho I'm glad booktok recommended me the song of achilles
@@MEOWMIX3DS i might be biased but even as a nonreader song of achilles has been a major rec since ive interacted with booktube
but fr though im glad you found that book! never personally read it, but i have heard plenty of good stuff about it (made me curious to read it myself lmao) - btw if you liked soa maybe youll enjoy circe? its by the same author and has a lot of good reviews, you should totally give it a look
@@ephemeral999 ohhh nice! thanks for the rec! if you have any way to read soa, please do! it's the most beautiful book I've read and it's so... just wow..
ikr like colleen hoover or something like that? most videos are ALL her
Also some recs that aren’t coho/P Douglas:
- crier’s war (wlw rep)
- cemetery boys (poc, transgender rep)
- Gideon the ninth (wlw rep)
- Skin of the sea (poc mermaids rep)
- Blackout (poc wlw and mlm rep)
- when you were everything
- Hani and Ishu’s guide to fake dating (poc wlw rep)
- The trouble with hating you (poc rep)
- Henna wars (poc wlw rep)
- excuse me while I’ll ugly cry (poc rep)
- Brown sister trilogy (poc + plus size rep)
- a pho love story (poc rep)
i wanna add that in gideon the ninth the main characters are based off Māori people, but since it's in a sci-fi setting not on our world, that doesn't really come into play apart from physical descriptions. also, it's a very very trigger heavy book that explores abusive and age gap relationships, child death and imperialism! def would not read it if you're looking for a light fun WLW read, but if you are looking for lighter WLW scifi ill recommend This Is How You Lose The Time War
I want to add a underrated and very cute romance book. It’s not smutty which I prefer and the main characters bond over books and I think it’s very easy and fun to read so
I love blackout!
I LOVE HANI AND ISHUS GUIDE TO DATING
@@Baksvsf pls add it! i wanna get more good book recs
All social media is doing the same thing. It’s not ruining art per se, we’re all just being exposed to a much greater volume of shitty art.
Crap, it's NFTs all over again.
@@pizzapower3166 💥
Came to say this. This was happening before TikTok, it just boosted it if anything
Exactly
YES, you hit the nail on the coffin!
there's so much now on the internet, I MEAN SO MUCH. more than books in the world (that's hyperbole) but really there's so much now, and it's all accessible! now!
one of my problems with booktok is how since a lot of people have only been reading y/a romance (not everyone does that). but now people have horrible reading comprehension. for example, one novel that is misrepresented on booktok is lolita. i have seen so many people thinking it’s an actual romance novel, and they take everything hh says at face value, so they think “no, it’s not abusive, they love eachother.”
edit: i want to clarify that what i meant by y/a romance was things like 365 days, colleen hoover, etc… y/a and romance are not lesser genres, there are many very talented y/a and romance authors. it’s not only a problem with those genres, there are those problems with all genres of media.
I've seen people who are anti Nabokov because they think *_Lolita_* is endorsing the narrator's actions and contributes to the culture of overs/xualizing teen girls. They completely missed the point of the book and ignore the fact that Nabokov was a survivor himself
@@s29nv1sr1 yes, that’s exactly what i mean. it’s so frustrating when people misunderstand and mischaracterize the novel. i remember seeing a quote from nabokov himself saying that he didn’t want dolores on the cover because that would contradict what the story is about. i think a part of the misunderstanding of the novel is due to the 60’s film, but it’s also a lack of comprehension, and that saddens me.
this makes me wonder what side of booktok you’re on because I’ve seen a lot of pretty popular videos addressing the fact that Lolita isn’t something that should be romanticized, and that the author fully intended for Humbert to be a villain. If anything, I’d say that the whole “reading comprehension not being a thing” in relation to this book originated on tumblr about a decade ago. Attributing the misinterpretation of this book solely to tiktok feels wrong.
@@riley9703 i should clarify that it’s not booktok as a whole. there are plenty of people who are passionate about literature and analysis of novels. the problem is the “book girlies” who make reading colleen hoover (and other similar authors) their entire personality. those type of people are the ones who mischaracterize lolita and other similar novels because their minds are used to romance novels with no deeper meaning.
sorry for the long message, i hope it makes sense.
It makes no sense that you would blame teens only reading romance and y/a to the reason why Lolita gets misinterpreted and sexualized. Romance and y/a are not less intelligent genres with no deeper meanings and people who read them don’t have bad reading comprehensions. The problem with Lolita has been happening way before TikTok with the movie and whatever Lana del Rey was doing. And I’ve actually seen more people on tiktok addressing the problem with Lolita then contributing to it.
The part about Steve Lacy’s concert actually really upset me. A lot of people work VERY hard on their music and art, and the fact that some people went to his concert just to hear a small portion of a popular song of his is just upsetting
Yeah, it definitely sucks. When it comes to concerts like that, people going there should already know the music or at least be willing to appreciate all of it instead of just part of a song. In the alternative community, I have heard of people going to concerts of bands they don't know, but that type of behavior is quite different because these people are searching for new music and also supporting small artists at small venues. They're not just buying tickets that could have been bought by more experienced fans, and then not even appreciating the music they are hearing.
Hopefully at least some of them left with a greater appreciation for Lacy's work. I know it would never have been all of them, but like... I like to at least _pretend_ that folks care on some level about music they buy concert tickets to hear.
same things with BTS, saw vids of concerts where ppl were screaming their new songs but their older (and more iconic) songs ppl were silent asf whereas older fans would have screamed their lungs off
I also hate the "Trust The Process" thing.
EVERYONE EVERYWHERE while doing anything mildly unpleasant to the eye is like "trust the process".
B**** I don't need a warning. I don't expect something that ends beautiful to be beautiful 100% of the time of production, and neither should you. Puberty should have taught us that. You might end up a beautiful 20yo, or a beautiful 30yo or older, even though you were an ugly duckling as a teen or an ugly baby. My cake WILL BE an amorphous blob before I put it in the oven. My makeup WILL BE making me look like I threw flour on my face before I finish it. My drawings WILL BE messy and unnatural and dirty OR WHATEVER ELSE because I'm STILL DRAWING. And none of those has an obligation to be perfect by the time they're finished or any moment before that.
I like to hand sculpt ceramics and people would constantly ask what I was making and then say "it doesn't look like a so-and-so." It drove me so crazy I just stopped telling people what I was making. They'd ask and I'd say "you'll find out when I'm finished."
So long story short I totally understand why everyone feels the need to say trust the process. Otherwise people are so obnoxious and rude about it
@@rachel3760 but people can be rude and obnoxious all the time. They used to see me drawing and say "oh I don't have that talent" and I would be pissed because yeab, neither do I, ya dingus. I have drawn everyday since I was 10 years old, you'd draw like this too if you had done the same. Whenever I said I was cute, people would make sure to remind me that I wasn't and that there were people prettier than me. If I had let them make me stop saying how much I thought of myself as pretty, my self-esteem would be in the gutter right now.
I love to educate people on that whenever I get the chance, because I love being more obnoxious than whoever is being obnoxious to me.
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Actually I feel the opposite. I've been held back by perfectionism and the fear of messing up all my life and the phrase "trust the process" is really helpful in the early stage of a drawing/painting/logo/article layout. Repeating it inside my mind makes me not want to set the thing I'm making on fire, give up forever, get a new identity and run away to another country.
I think this comes off as a bit unhinged. If "trust the process" doesn't apply to you, then that's cool. that's chill. Some people feel insecure about something not looking perfect at first. And that's cool and chill too. Other people's feelings about their craft shouldn't affect you at all.
Opp "I love being more obnoxious than whoever is being obnoxious to me" sums it up pretty well.
That Steve Lacy situation made me weirdly annoyed, why would you go to a concert if you didn't know the words to the songs to sing a long, it feels like you're cheating the artist out of real fans. I would've killed to be at that concert.
Ikr like do the required listening, get your homework done. I went to a concert last week for one singular artist but I didn’t know the music, so I downloaded like 3 of the albums they were performing so I’d know what I was in for omegalul
personally i wouldn’t even go to a concert of an artist or a band if i hadn’t listened to them for at least a year. it just wouldn’t feel right to me. so all that with steve pissed me off too. i’m sure 70% of those who went to his tour, hadn’t even heard of him till he released bad habit.
I hope the money he got from it made it a little better at least
@@blond5361 that's so weird to me because where i'm from, people go to concerts of artists they have never heard of before simply because they are bored with nothing else to do, and they like listening to music and discovering new artists. so they just drop a visit at the concert and cheer for the musician and leave happy, knowing they discovered something wonderful
@@jiribb9300 where i live they do the same, and is really cool. but in this situation it feels like they just wanted to show they where in a steve lacy concert because his music is viral in the app.
My biggest issue with booktok is that the books that get recommended are all the same. They mostly fall into two genres: sexy dark contemporary romances and sexy dark light fantasies. There’s nothing wrong with these genres, of course, but where’s the variety? It’s a bit disheartening for me as a budding author. I write high fantasy and I know having social media is a pretty good way to get your book out there, but like… unless TikTok’s taste change, I and many other authors who write genre fiction that’s not romance will not see any traction on the biggest book advertising platform.
Can I ask if you have any published work out yet? I’ve been looking for a new fantasy book that’s not centered around romance and would love to check your work out💕
Yes yes yes!! I'm also a writer, and the publishing industry was terrifying enough without booktok. My book is literally an outpouring of my soul, my culture, and everything I've ever loved, but in the current booktokification of the industry, it's reduced to whatever tropes I can sift out of it. It's hard to write freely when the narrow parameters booktok has shoved us into to sell are always in the back of your mind. Not to sound like a capitalist harpy, but yeah, I want to make a living off my writing.
YA Fantasy literally made me give up on reading as a whole. I only read books recommended by Ted Ed(I highly recommend Fahrenheit 451, A Thousand Years of Longing, and The Handmaid's Tale) and with books like ACoTandR, Lightlark, and It Ends With Us I have decided. This is probably the most corporate thing I've seen since Disney realized they can resell their own films.
@@pizzapower3166 I have to agree and disagree. I love YA, and I think that, just like we all want representation, it's so incredibly wonderful that young people are able to see themselves through fiction. I really dislike this commonly toted idea that all YA is garbage, because it isn't-- writers like A.S. King, Christelle Dabos, Seanan McGuire and Markus Zusack are consistently churning out popular YA that has real literary merit. And there is more casually entertaining, high stakes fantasy YA that is intricately plotted and well written, too. But I think the issue is that we only see ACOTAR and Lightlark because of BookTok. That side of the industry is probably
@@isabelyoung1744 Yeah, I agree that they don't all suck. It's just the ones with the most publicity do. Somehow. What good YA books do you recommend?
Also about booktok: There are different sides of booktok and depending on what posts you interact with your fyp changes. Ppl that say “coho is the only author on booktok” def have a very one sided fyp and interact with one type of post: coho slander/ commenting on coho vids.
I’m mostly on fantasy/ dystopian booktok and when my fyp changed from romance to fantasy focused, coho basically disappeared from my page and more diverse books started appearing.
If people that hated coho so much started investing that energy into recommending diverse books, their fyp and maybe even booktok will change sooner rather than later.
yeah lol the only time i really ever see anything abt coho is when she releases a new book and book fans freak out for like 3 days
yes and no. when u are just starting in booktok the majority of the recommendations are hoover or books that follow the same ‘formula’.
Totally! I literally never see coho on my fyp. All the drama and weird trends I hear about is from ppl on TH-cam talking about it. I guess I must be doing a good job of curating my page 🤷♀️
I'm honestly so glad I'm not as extremely online as I used to be in tumblr era. I can see how much of a huge role TikTok has on my perception of the world, AND I'M NOT EVEN ON IT! I also feel it changed the way people interact with one another, and as an older gen-z person, it sometimes makes me feel alienated to not be in the increasingly short-lived loops...
we're not on it, but we have no choice but to listen to it (bc nobody has a headphone jack lol)
same i delated tiktok 2 years ago since it became one big trigger for me and honestly i don’t miss it like i can’t even relate w anyone who use tiktok and knows all of thecurrent trends songs memes etc bc i have no f idea what they are talking about lol
feel like i’m almost missing out on adolescence hbut still 🥴 not going back
I’m a younger gen z (17) and I’ve never had tik tok, and i very much relate. Seems like literally everything is happening there and especially since I’m not on any social media (besides yt if that counts) I’m completely unaware of most trends. I feel like it’s better that way though sometimes bc microtrends and all that. Seems like whatever the hot new thing is changes on the weekly, and everyone wants it right then and there. It’s also just kinda harrowing how attached a lot of people are to their phones now and i don’t want to go back to when i would spend most of my day bouncing between Instagram and discord and TH-cam without ever doing anything that made me happy
@@Alice-gr1kb Exactly! So much time spent being barely entertained just for the kick of dopamine, without actually doing anything that makes me feel fulfilled...
@@majalaja799 yeah as you should, I'm not even on "surface-Tok" like the stuff you see when you first get on, tiktok is a cesspool. I couldn't even count the amount of times I've seen people talk about Self harm, or yk Suidice. abuse, child abuse, CSA, SA, r@pe, depression, severe anxiety, Proshipping. (if yk yk) though from what i've heard it's basically toxic Tumblr 2. (I wasn't around for toxic tumblr, but on GOD THE STUFF YOU HEAR) which makes sense, as the young millennials grow up. the new Gen Z fill the niche yk?
makes sense, but for you this is all new horrible cesspool stuff. when that's just how social media rolls for some reason. it's a cycle so far I've seen, you go from "fandom obsessed" to "mellowed out adult" in your teens, or whatever suits you. but it's really a cycle, and it all comes from bullying and then healing.
so idk, that's my thoughts.
i think another problem is that booktok encourages the overconsumption of books- i’ve seen so many book hauls that make it seem normal to constantly be buying books. also, i have friends who regularly buy books but don’t read them, and i’m starting to wonder if this is just another way to fit in with the trends of tiktok?
I've also seen that on TH-cam as well and honestly it feels like that's the type of content pushed on booktube or is at least a large majority of the content. Also the glamorization of owning your own giant book collection when libraries are viable.
I think its obvious why booktok mostly recommends new ya/romance fictions its because they are young adults these books are made for them and they like them and its actually really good that they are supporting new writers (but yea i wont really read colleen hoover myself) but also they do talk about classics not as much but esp like jane eyre ofc it has flaws but something that makes kids read is definitely not the problem
oooo yeah that’s a good point! And besides, even if they weren’t young adults, I think there’s still value in the genre-just like there is in romance. These are two widely disparaged genres (for reasons I’m sure we can all guess) but I personally love them!
It’s funny though because a lot that they recommend came out a decade ago- they just talk about the same ‘hot’ YA authors who started their series years ago 😂
Hello, young adult here....im exhausted. I tried looking for book recs and its all just YA romance. Can someone please recommend me some youtubers?
@@cryforhelp7270 Jack Edwards? he is a pretty big booktuber but one of the few that doesn't do genre but is still engaging
@@cryforhelp7270 ShaelinWrites does occasional book review videos. They mostly read litfic (literary fiction).
Tiktok doesn’t ruin art, but it ruins advertising and it ruins attention spans, which will effect what kind of art gets popular. also, often it makes the artist and the process much more visible, and puts pressure on them to be more “pretty” and make the process look good for more likes
tbh my only thought about booktok is that i’m so fucking glad the girlies still read?? ik that sounds insane, but I was afraid we had all collectively stopped reading and i have been happily proven wrong, so idc that it’s objectively corny romance novels we’re reading, as long as we can still enjoy the beauty of reading as a community
true!!! i was so delighted when my friend who professed to hate books suddenly started reading because of booktok! while booktok has its evils, im glad more people are reading
I like people reading but when people only recommend me cringy romance books by like three authors it gets on my nerves
the bar has sunken into the floor
Right??? Read your shitty romance but at least you're reading
I initially started reading due to booktok promoting reading as being “aesthetic”. A few years later and I’m in love with reading! Even though booktok still gets onto my nerves sometimes, I think it can really get more people into reading.
Burnout is hell and I hope you're able to find passion in video-making again; you're a very inquisitive creator and I like watching your content.
New lurker (soooorrryyy) turned subscriber here! I absolutely LOVE this channel. Your production quality, scripts and sense of humor are top notch without making me feel distanced from you. All the best to you, Shanaya! I really do appreciate your hard work and content.
Thank you new bestie ❤️
@@Shanspeare oh lord have mercy I just noticed I misspelled your name!!! Sorry bestie I'm high as a kite
I don’t have a TikTok account and I can feel the impact of that app in the way we consume media. Seeing people have curated personalities/interested that are heavily influenced by that app is scary
Still watching the video, BUT I do sincerely hope that you can find joy again in your work!! Whether it’s long form or short commentary, I’m always excited to watch 💖 absolutely LOVE the costume too can’t wait to see that vid :)
Thank you sm 😭😭❤️❤️
I’m that weird millennial who watches the uploaded TikTok videos on TH-cam so from that angle I just shrug. I also don’t have my TH-cam save my history so I don’t deal with its algorithm either.
I mainly get any recs from written sources personally. I’ve been reading Fanfiction since the late 90s so my tolerance for weird, disturbing and wacky is very high. People complained about the same thing with Booktube and it has expanded beyond its YA beginnings. Booktok will no doubt do the same.
Well said
It already has
19:44 godddd this reminds me of when i went to see mitski earlier this year. like ive been listening to her since 2017-2018 and she finally came to sweden, and there was a HUGE crowd of people that were silent for 90% of the concert, and the other 10% they only sang along in the chorus or were filming. like halfway through the concert, after she had sung me and my husband (one of the few songs that people knew lmao), someone in the crowd yelled out "say something!" like cmon!!! what!!!!! dont be rude!!! the only song everybody knew the entirety of was nobody. like what are you doing here, why did you pay money to go to a concert if you only know 2 out of like 12 songs...?
see, that is so disrespectful to the artist but also the real fans. i think, if anyone is going to a concert of an artist they recently got into, they should have the decency to learn the lyrics and songs, so they don’t collectively ruin a concert experience for other fans.
I have been really feeling this shift in music particularity in the metal scene. I went to see Bad Omens recently. I learned the day of the concert that they had a song blowup on Tiktok. While it’s great that Tiktok is getting a lot of people into the scene, that crowd definitely felt off.
I love talking to people at concerts, asking who else they listen to, finding new bands from other people and listening to the opening performances. The audience during the openers were…dead…hardly any hype or cheering, and I felt so bad for them. The mosh pit had people falling down and not being picked up as quickly as they should be. And of course when they play Just Pretend, the song that blew up, all the phones went up.
I don’t want to point fingers all on Tiktok and say this is all their fault, and that there weren’t already existing problems in the community beforehand, but it does make me feel some type of way about where this scene is going. I find most metalheads are actually very passionate about music and there for a great time. We’re also usually pretty happy that metal isn’t mainstream, since we constantly get shit on for our music taste, and it’s become our little wholesome community where we all just kinda get each other (Not to mention it’s so easy to go to concerts cause tickets are so cheap). All I ask of anyone getting into the music from Tiktok to please explore the artists’ discography. If you’re going to a concert, learn proper etiquette for the artist and the crowd. It’s not about how you bought the ticket and gave them money. They’re artists, and they want to perform more than just a few seconds of one song, because they have so much more to give than that.
Newcomers are always welcome in the community. We just ask for respect for the artists and for the fans who have been in this community for many years.
i just left a comment about how i feel about Ghost going Viral. I know going viral is good for the bands and it helps them reach out to new audiences, it just felt… really bad to me. being a metalhead in the bible belt isn’t a very fun experience. i’ve been bullied for liking Ghost specifically because of its satanic themes. Seeing people walk around with Seven Inches of Satanic Panic shirts after my dad burned all of my Ghost merchandise felt like a slap in the face.
It's also like...people in the punk movement are sometimes just slapping on the stereotypical outfit aesthetic and not even understanding the history or listening to the music. Just like..we're here for the jams, the anti-fascism, and the big queer and poc scene...right guys? Not just putting safety pins on a black skirt .
Makes me think of all the people making videos like “I can’t believe I dressed and acted like that how embarrassing” about trends they partook in a year ago/sometimes even more recently. It’s like babe what do you mean??? Microtrends are scary because I’m all for trying different looks and interests but it’s wild how people seem to think if they decide it’s not their thing they immediately have to start making fun of it.
I think a problem is anti-intellectualism and that short-form media encourages it, challenging art requires time and cannot effectively be summed up in a snappy decisive hook, allowing for nuance and multiple interpretations is important. The way a piece is “sold” can cause problems for experiencing it as well, people can read for the Hook and put blinders on to other concepts the work has to offer or be disappointed by “false advertising” (as well as judging pieces by their own current personal sense of morality rather than being interested in the context of the piece’s creation or even internal context and engaging with the differences)
you could sit in an empty room with just your lovely self and i would watch it i love your videos so much! you could talk about anything and i would tune in just for you
agreed!
I think the main problem I have with tiktok is it's absolute and complete control over the music industry.. Tiktok can be great for discovering new artists and helping grow followings but at the same time they completely devalue the artists' contribution. As an artist myself, I understand how much work gets put into everything, into going on tours, writing music and so on, so when the people that come to your shows sing only one verse of a song you wrote and know absolutely nothing else, it hurts as an artist. I've also been told that i should "dumb down" or simplify my music so that it can become a tiktok trend and i think we just need to be wary of how tiktok affects our consumption of art. We don't have to write it off completely but i would also like to see music popular on tiktok but not have it define and dominate the industry, thereby forcing artists to conform to a 15 second trend.
The Steve lacy clip just made me sooo sad😩 I’ve also noticed at concerts that people have to record everythinggg it’s like ppl can’t enjoy the moment anymore, everything is for the aesthetic
I love the costume!!! And I will totally support the bi-monthly uploads!💗🧡
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You're totally right with why things today are majority fast phased. I miss times where we are not that spoon feed to alot of content because now there are a huge ton of trends come and go like aesthetics and fashion. I rarely see "iconic" moments now compared to previous years. Everything feels so "manufactured" now and not "authentic". I myself don't participate in a lot of trends I only chose what I like because if I do participate in almost all of them It would been exhausting.
God, every time ya dropped "baby balls" a vine boom plays in my head 😭
That aside, I appreciate yer nuanced analysis! With how popular Tik Tok is, most users are going to be only surface level consumers, and that does not take away value from art!
I am so glad i've never bought a coleen hoover book rn-
not me having 2 (couldn’t get past page five in ugly love and then I have verity, which was a roller coaster) 💀
sameee
i went to a måneskin concert recently and the amount of people who where just there for beggin and i want to be your slave and only sung the 15 second fragments that were trending on tiktok was astounding
I think it’s interesting to see that Colleen Hoover’s writing is portrayed as uniquely problematic when 50 Shades of Grey became extremely popular to the point of becoming a movie series. You’re totally right about it being emblematic of a larger systemic issue. On twitter I see so many claims that Gen Z, especially on tik tok, is uniquely anti intellectual and often similar to some criticisms of the book tok recommendations, it is hidden elitism. I wonder sometimes that certain things being visible to everyone on the internet makes a problem
seem as if it’s worse than it truly is. Before if a teenager said they didn’t care about doing any deeper analysis of a book, it would stay within their friend group. There was no way for other likeminded teens to signal their agreement. Now, it is visible on the internet for thousands of like minded peers across the world to relate. Also, 1) your costume is so cool 2)you would not let those baby ⚽️⚾️ go. but that’s a very “wtf” type of thing to write about so I understand.
“Twitter thinks tiktok is ruining art”
Almost as hypocritical as tiktok users saying Twitter users suck
emily bronte really is all of these authors mother, but she did it better than anyone else. her writing >>>>>>
If some conservatives can get away with spewing uninspired nonsense as their full-time job why can't you?
Seriously though, I'd be fine with high effort productions bi-monthly or whatever schedule suits you and more casual content in between. The most important thing is that we still get to critically engage with your analyses & get an occasional peak at your excellent humour (loved the deadpan way you edited the "darkness growing inside" and the dog joke 😂)
(EDIT: the opening sentence may read as an insult but it's supposed to mean that even casual Shanspeare content would still be of way higher production quality)
Seeing Twitter, TikTok and thinks all in one title lets me know this is going to be one wild ride
I heard Bad Habits on tiktok and I loved that part of it and I started listening to it and now I can sing that whole song by heart and I started listening to his other songs. I’ve also found many good books on booktok. So yes you can find good songs as well as books on tiktok . But I 100% agree with everything you are saying.
as a musician that is finally gonna release some music at some point in the near future, i am absolutely terrified of the prospect of having my music blow up on tiktok. it seriously fills me with dread, because i really don't want to end up like Steve Lacy. the Steve Lacy situation is honestly a shame, he's insanely talented and people are ruining his tour just for the sake of... god knows what. from what i know, seeing that kind of stuff happening at your concerts is absolutely devastating
Where’s ur music I’m also an artist who tryna collab more
Omg you did a phenomenal job on that cosplay!!! Your creativity in costuming, skits, editing, etc. constantly and thoroughly impresses me, thank you for blessing us with your existence and hard work
super excited about the decision to have some more scaled back videos mixed in with your ones tbh; I have a lot more time + attention span to listen to podcast-style content and I often find myself waiting to watch video essays bc I'm waiting for a time where I can pay full attention to all the effort that goes into the visuals of video essays. also just love more laid back stuff like this, especially when someone's making a mix of elaborate and more low key content -- it's almost comforting to watch in a way more produced video essays aren't. Like watching a documentary about a subject vs listening to your prof go off on a tangent about that same subject. 👌👌
When it comes to booktok, my problem is that the aesthetics are so important that ppl ignore the problematic stuff in the actual books (eg. Colleen Hoover)
babe wake up the new shanspeare vid just dropped
Nooo! I'm 4th.
let’s gooooo!!!!
Man, I was typing up a whole ass post to reply to this video, since as an artist/content creator myself, I can relate so hard, but damn if I'm not so tired of all this x'D I just wish we didn't have to "grind" and "hustle" every two seconds for the smallest drop of acknowledgement and maybe a penny in return before we're shoved back down only to do it all over again. I hope your new upload schedule works better for you. You do fantastic work, and you deserve some reprieve from these unforgiveable algorithms.
also, shan, i really love your videos. i’ve gotten kind of sick of creators making throwing shade their thing, as it just feels immature at this point, but you rarely if never do that. great arguments, writing, and visuals (including you c:)
Tho Idk that I’d agree wholeheartedly with the assertion, I think one thing that can be said about tik tok (perhaps social media in general) is that it puts a lot more emphasis on vibes sorry I meant ✨vibes ✨than it does the actual contents/details of a piece of art. Hence ppl can go to a Steve Lacy concert not knowing the lyrics to even his biggest song cos it’s about the overall ✨mood ✨ not the actual content and the latter arguably isn’t particularly necessary for the former
Oh and as it pertains to booktok, I’m a time that is so plagued with nostalgia and looking back to the past, I think, tho it has its flaws, it’s great that modern books are being championed. It helps dispel the idea that there’s nothing worth reading from recent times.
I saw "twitter" in the title and knew this subject was gonna be a wild ride
As someone who’s grown up with parents who are in a healthy relationship, hearing and seeing some of the things written in a ton of YA fiction and media baffles me. When my mom tells me about things my dad would do for her, it sounds like a genuinely lovely show of love and affection. Comparing it to how some authors will partially romanticize unhealthy relationships it’s baffling that anyone finds that sort of thing cute.
Your production quality truly is amazing and I'm happy you're not totally dropping your theatrical aesthetic, but tbh I come to you for the analysis! Excited for your new format 💕
11:25 Okay but knowing how GOOD your scripts always are I would love to read a book written by you if you decided to publish one day
In these times where short form content is the most effective way to get eyes on your art, it can feel a bit daunting to be an artist of any kind. But there are definitely still people who seek out long form videos, listen to entire albums, and appreciate a piece of art beyond the 30 second process time-lapse. It can feel like the world is moving faster and faster, especially with how quickly things become viral and fade into obscurity and I think that for people like me who were raised with the internet almost always available, remembering to slow down is going to be really important for our health and for how much we enjoy the art around us. Good art deserves our full and prolonged attention and we deserve to fully soak it in too. I hope everyone is doing well and I hope Shanspeare can find more joy in making videos for us to watch.
I agree wholeheartedly with this. As someone raised in the same generation with internet always available, these are problems that a lot of us struggle with. And the way to fight that shrinking attention span is to do things like you are saying, to watch long form videos, to listen to entire albums. It is something that I do attempt to do as someone who appreciates art as a whole, and especially music, and it is a struggle sometimes but it's worth it.
Twitter claiming TikTok is ruining art is rich given that Twitter ruined debate and a whole bunch of other things too.
I literally just watched this video because you're dressed as my favorite character from my favorite movie.🎉 I was babydoll last Halloween, I love to sew, so i made the costume too! I love yours! The fit is gorgeous and your sailor tie is flawless! Keep slaying with the costumes. Looking forward to your sewing tutorial video!❤
I settled in for a more casual video and you proceeded to provide the most in depth analysis of this topic I've seen yet. I'm here for more toned down videos, please do whatever you need to take care of yourself & ensure that you still enjoy your job. PS. Your costume is cute AF and the fact you made it makes it even better.
do what you need to do to preserve your mental health and avoid burnout! i think i can speak on behalf of most of your subscribers in saying we will enjoy any content you put out no matter how much time there is between videos 💕
your smile at the end is everything!! you're an amazing content creator and great at what you do, i think id love to watch any content from you because you just have this calm yet intellectual atmosphere. you're doing well, please do what makes you happy and what will be best for you!!:)
Just a thought, maybe TikTok is making ppl finally realize the media being pushed is mediocre 🤷🏽♀️ and they are sick of it. Which actually pushes ppl to actually seek out media they like or demand better quality in the art they consume. I see more and more ppl buying physical books and are wanting a ppl to make albums again and want to buy CDs. So this might be a good thing good thing to an extent. But hey I’m just a baby millennial who likes to own physical copies of things. So this all this might be a stretch 😅
Definitely @ colleen hoover not introducing anything new. My mum used to tell me about Mills and Boone series and men literally kidnapping teenagers, taking them far away having them in captivity and SAing them was depicted as romantic. Not a new problem
Yes omg! All the guys from her books are huge red flags and for me to see young girls and grown adults who skipped their wattpad phase wanting to have a relationship with guys like these is terrifying.
YOUR OUT FITS SO CUTEEEE the Steve lacy thing be getting me so mad cause the same thing happened to Tyler when flower boy came out
such a fantastic video! as someone who doesnt use tiktok, it was very eye-opening to hear about. Unfortunately as an artist ive felt the push to stay relevant on my platforms by creating my art and thus it doesn't feel fun anymore...Burnout sucks. So i hope you continue to enjoy making videos! the bi-monthly idea sounds great!
You’re great, hope you feel better and motivated sooner than later ❤
I hope so, too! Thank you ❤
I live in Germany, and thanks to booktok, the English section at my local bookstore has gone from two to SIX shelves over the past year. If only the public library would follow suit…
I still arugue that pandemic spolied us when it comes to consuming media. With everyone at home, there were very few ways to entertain yourself. We kept demanding more media, to keep us entertained and the same fast paced environment has not gone away. Netflix needs to constantly keep up with binge culture, content creators were constantly pressured by fans to upload more, and music production was on demand. We are so impatient now. And all these industries are industries as you said so their focus is money which puts pressure on their staff and leads to burn out. It's wild out there
i clicked SO FAST when i saw the notification! love your videos!!
thank youuuu 😭❤️
Great video. Tiktok isn't ruining art, the pursuit of profit above all else is ruining art, tiktok is just helping that along.
I LOVED Sucker Punch! The soundtrack and movie were awesome.
would it be pretentious to say it’s underrated? Lol I loved it so much when I was younger!!! 😭❤️
@@Shanspeare Younger?! Didn’t it come out five years ago (says the 40+ year old Auntie)? Lol But yes, I would agree it’s underrated.
“Poor penmanship practices” solid gold alliteration!!! 🥰🥰🥰
I'm excited for you to revitalize your passion! Hearing you laugh with (I assume) your partner was so joyful and I hope you're both doing well!
I’m loving the normal commentary stuff.
this is so interesting. I've been getting into haiku lately (I'm actually of japanese descent so not just a weird weeb ok?) and I find it so interesting that it's a very old traditional form but would work perfectly for today. it's so short and simple but with very strong imagery and honestly just perfect for today. I'm surprised it hasn't exploded on tiktok or other social media yet. most haiku are shorter than most twitter posts and would go perfectly over an aesthetic picture (again another old traditional art form) or short clip.
you can appreciate haiku poetry and not be a weird weeb
@@nicoleonlysometimes824 idk sounds like something a weird weeb would say
@@emilyonizuka4698 I can assure you that a weird weeb most likely doesn't even know what haiku is lol.
@@m00nl1ghtj3w3l they literally teach it to you in second grade but ok
@@emilyonizuka4698 idk where you live but I've never learned abt it in school, but ok.
OMG! Your costume’s so good I actually recognized it before you said who it was! Just an amazing job! 🤩
i have really complicated feeling about the term “anti-intellectualism” becuase of the amount of times i’ve seen it used to either downplay the importance of contemporary media and/or be classist and elitist. i saw people on twitter ranting about teens on tiktok who were saying analyzing art is pretentious and art should be self explanatory- and while i do agree those are pretty bad takes, i also can understand where the kids are coming from. like we can’t ignore the art worlds actual problem of being pretentious, and how even today there’s still a lot of inaccessibility to the “real” art world. but these people on twitter were looking down on these TEENS as if they’re the reason for all societal issues just bc they might be jaded on the subject.
but there’s countless other times i’ve seen people use the term “anti intellectualism” to put themselves on a pedestal and call the rest of us ignorant and stupid just because we don’t go to sleep cradling an emily brontë book every night
I think the issue here is that, the “teens” are actually adults, which makes this topic even more frustrating
Because these adults, who should already at this point of their lives recognize that marginalized groups and various backgrounds have contributed fantastic works in our world, and has created ways to help it reach to everyone(or at the very least recognize they have the ability to provide these sources) just ignore all of that
I think the other thing is that a lot of these takes are made by privileged people that don’t actually have trouble accessing to these stories
And it takes away focus of others that really do have trouble accessing to the material
So here's the thing I feel about the elitist vs anti-intellectualism debate- while on every side of it you're going to have large amounts of people essentially throwing around buzzwords to defend an emotional reaction they have to feeling called out (same in all internety debates) the idea that theres some great divide between the institutional intellectuals and the ordinary, un-prentious folk is built on a lot of fallacies. Art and education about art is more wildly accessible and easier to create than any other time in history. If you're online having debates about art under a video talking about art, you're already proving that you're in a position to begin to engage in critical readings and criticism of art. The key word is begin- comprehension and criticism are skills. Like any skill, you need to work on them. That does NOT mean paroting established critics - and I'm not just talking about some college professors or snobby article, I'm also talking about twitter hot takes and you tube videos- both can be equally good or bad. It means practising, like any other skill- reading a lot, engaging a lot, and often stopping yourself from making knee jerk reactions. If you like something or dislike something you have to understand why. If other people like or dislike something, you have to try to understand why. It's not about studying one text in isolation, it's about context- within the works medium, genre, cultural and temporal origin, and outside it, and also with real life. If you're legitimately intrested in this stuff, theres not a whole lot stopping you assuming you have any free time and an internet connection- yes obviously free time is often a luxury but plenty of people have a wealth of free time (and a wealth of everything else) and still manage to be anti-intellectual. If you're NOT intrested in it enough to bother, that's also fine. No ones obliged to, or can, take part in any hobby or career or learn every skill because that's not how life works. But you cant pretend you're as good or better at a skill that you havnt practised as someone who has- your personal emotional response and opinions are valid, but that's all they are- personal opinions.
nah the worst things out there arent just the art, theyre ruining everything
Leaving a comment to boost the engagement and appease the eldritch whims of the algorithm, but also I kept forgetting you were wearing a costume and I kept thinking "what happened to her hand??" 😭😭
You explained this so perfectly!! I’m always so in awe of the way you’re able to put such specific and complex thoughts into perfectly worded sentences LOL! But seriously, it’s terrifying the way we consume and spit out content/products/ and people so cyclically. The idea of having to fight continuously to stay relevant sounds so draining; I’m glad you’re deciding to take it easy on yourself to preserve your energy. You do a lot, thank you so much for your videos 🫶🏾🙌🏾
Please take care of yourself first!!! You're one of my favorite creators on here, and I'm definitely not alone in that opinion. Your videos will be just as fun if you shorten them, or worry less about the production value and citing dozens of respected sources. Your humor and wit as you talk about topics many of us havent heard of is the draw for me, and is enjoyable no matter the subject matter.
been a follower for almost a year now, and I love your content so much, I love the way you talk and explain things, you've helped me improve my English and my vocabulary so much, thank you and keep it up!
People also say how artists dont get to develop. Like they said ice spice was on some tv show but she performed so poorly, because she literally JUST blew up
“au with jackson wang hosting a party for some reason” YOU ARE SO REAL
Great video! Parts of this reminded me of Mina Le's content, in a good way as in complimentary and not copying. Micro trends, capitalism, personalities, and more. That would be an awesome collab, you two are both great creators.
I like that you are changing your content to better fit how you're feeling. It's so important to take care of ourselves, and self reflect to try to bring joy to our lives and not overwork. You're setting that good example
Oh my GOD that costume is AMAZING!!!
Yooooo another video essayist? Fuck yes, TH-cam truly knows what I love
As for this video, it's pretty informative! I'm maybe a fourth of the way in so far, and you've already taught me some stuff I didn't know, like how Booktok was swaying things! I had no idea they were affecting the industry like this!
What you don't see is that while booktok is increasing overall sales for the publishing industry, these sales are for the large part from Amazon, which, if you didn't know, is HORRIBLE for the bookselling industry. Amazon is driving independent bookstores and even Barnes & Noble out of business, and booktok has only expedited their impending monopoly. It's pretty bad.
I love the babydoll costume, I'd love to see you make a video about Suckerpunch!
im not on tik tok but i experienced this first hand going back to concerts this year /: i had no idea that mitski and phoebe bridgers went so viral on tik tok and the people at the concerts were literally awful... so disrespectful and made me not want to go to concerts anymore omg
Honestly you have the nicest voice! It’s very relaxing!
Even if a part of TikTok promotes books, the app is still responsible for reducing the attention span of people to 60 seconds, and that definitely hinders our ability to sit down and actually read said books. Generally, a lot of people only engage with certain topics as part of their social media profile, and not at all in their real lives, which is concerning (especially for young people still figuring themselves out). Anyway, I really liked this video, even without extensive research you raise a lot of interesting and valuable points!!