SlipknotMFKR out of curiosity what make/model is it? Not sure ive ever seen a 28 that wasn’t an 8 string, but then again I mostly just see “baritone” and think 27 or 27.5 and never check for sure
Preferred the standard on all of them, but that really just makes me think they were all written on that guitar initially. Had it been the other way around I suspect I would have preferred the baritone versions. The best riffs are built around the timbre of the instrument I reckon.
I was waiting for someone to say that. I saw a video of drop d vs drop d one octave lower and the more precise and thrashy riffs worked in the higher tuning while the low tuning was best for slow and brooding djenty riffs. At a certain point, low tuned power chords get really muddy.
I completely agree with your timbre comment, and I REALLY didn’t expect anyone to say that, because that’s far to logical for the tribalistic nature of the internet. That said, I agree, I also think he’s palm muting where he would for a normal scale guitar, quite close to the bridge, which means the mutes sound very different ( and in my opinion less good, but that’s just personal preference )
TBH I think the standard sounded better too. It's not just about pitch, it's definition as well, and the baritone just lacked it to my ears. Perhaps with a bit less gain it would improve?
One of the things most unique to Dimebag throughout his career was his use of altered tunings. From Cowboys From Hell to Reinventing the Steel, Dime constantly challenged the preconceptions of how a guitar should be tuned. Early on, when tuned “regularly” to E (E, A, D, G, B, E), Dime’s guitars were actually tuned down more than a quarter step. As his guitar tech has noted, that meant that the guitars were tuned to “D# plus 40 cents on his Korg tuner. The A string was G# plus 40 cents, D was C# plus 40 cents, etc.” (Note: The Van Halen influence is definitely in effect here, as Van Halen I and Van Halen II are tuned in a similar manner.) Dimebag also experimented with “drop D” tuning on Cowboys From Hell (C# plus 40 cents), but later become a fan of tuning the entire guitar down a whole step, beginning with A Vulgar Display of Power. This tuning (D,G,C,F,A,D-a quarter step flat) was used extensively on “Walk” and “A New Level." Further use of this tuning was used on Far Beyond Driven (“Becoming,” “I’m Broken,” “5 Minutes Alone,” etc.), and by Reinventing the Steel it was Dime’s main “standard” tuning. Never one to be limited, Dime also used a “drop D down one step” (C,G,C,F,A,D), and “down 1 ½ steps” (C#,F#,B,E,G#,C#). The last, which is the same tuning used by Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath, was a favorite of Dime’s on The Great Southern Trendkill (“Drag the Waters”, etc.), and became the new standard by the time of his band Damageplan (New Found Power), though Dime was also known to use “drop D down 1 ½ steps” (B,F#,B,E,G#,C#).
I've had a baritone for almost 3 years, and I absolutely love it. Brutal AF. A lot of people are talking about how muddy they are, but that's very easy to remedy with the right amp settings, pickups, and string gauge. It isn't necessarily "more metal," but you definitely get a fatter, more robust low end tone that's very pleasing. This guitar has helped me find my own voice that I was always missing. And you have the comfort of a 6 string neck width with the tuned down goodness of a 7 string!
7stringslinger74 yeah, also people don’t seem to get that you kinda need to adjust your playing to the gauge and tension. Not every guitarist would sound good with a bass for the same exact reason. If playing bass with distortion and chords was the norm, people would complain that “basses are muddy” too xD
Elijah Charwyn yes, I sort of thought of bass as a simpler guitar, but it’s all different, firstly the frets a lot longer and you keep your hand up a lot - and you wnd up tired a lot faster, and then you can’t just use a pick if you want the low end to fit the guitar.. anyway different and more work, also need thicker skin.. I’ve been thinking on a 7 string, but not sure about the width, I do mainly play the fattest strings..
I love mine. The local "guitarist" "friends" from my town are all gossiping and talking s*** about me cuz I play a baritone down tuned. It's so hilarious.!
Riff 1: higher Riff 2: lower Riff 3: lower Riff 4: higher The biggest thing to remember about downtuning is writing to the timbre of the instrument you’re playing. Sludgy and brooding riffs work better in lower tuning while the high tuning helps with keeping clarity in precise playing.
I think that the heaviness of the riff is not in the tunning, is in the way you write the riffs, if it's designed to be heavier in drop A than drop D then it will sound heavier in Drop A, although i wonder how it will sound Laid To Rest by Lamb Of God in Drop A
Check out Nik Nocturnal's latest video: riffs in E. You yourself also did an up tuned metal video. It was heavy AF. Riffs are heavy. Not tunings. Peace.
Pete gives you 2 same exact riffs in different tunings, so you can hear for yourself. Your statement "Riffs are heavy. Not tunings" is inappropriate here.
🤦♂️ Just cause they’re are heavy riffs in E, doesn’t mean it’s HEAVIER. The lower tuning helps make the riff heaviER, it doesn’t automatically make it heavy
Riff 1: standard was heavy enough, bari felt like to much Riff 2: bari sounded much better Riff 3: both sound good. Riff 4: felt designed for the bari, but sounded amazing on the standard
I had so much troubles recognizing from where I knew the riff. I knew I listened to that specific song very very often but couldn't remember from where. At some point i settled on Arch Enemy. I was wrong but.. not that far
I should mention that while a lot of people say there are loads of really heavy riffs in higher tunings, there are also a lot of very clean and touchy-feely riffs in low tunings. For example, Jake's riff from garden in the bones by Periphery is in AGCFAD tuning, and is not heavy at all (I love that riff btw). This goes to show that tuning doesn't affect the intensity of a song in the way most people think it does. The tuning really affects the feel more so in my opinion.
@@mikhailplatonov8039 disagree. Not talking about the tone. It just sounds heavier overall because of the lower pitch. It could be the same guitar with a lower pitch and I'd still prefer it lower
100% agree bro. Drop fucking F for example sounds definitely heavier than E standard aka dad-rock tuning. And there's nothing you can do about it If somebody says that Sylosis's riffs are heavy I get it. But compared to MIW's Black Damask, Devil's Night and Burned at Both Ends (which are in Drop A and sound absolutely phenomenal from perspective of guitar tone) Sylosis's riffs are just nice light chugga-chugga
The first riff I liked more on the standard six string, every other riff I enjoyed more on the barritone. I myself play with extra heavy gauge strings on a standard six string in C standard and drop A# and I enjoy it.
Generally speaking lowering the tuning will make it sound heavier BUT there's some riffs that (in my opinion) sound heavier played in Drop D than in like Drop C or even B. Some that come to mind right away are God Hates Us by A7X and Laid to Rest by Lamb of God.
Low tuning sounds exactly how you said it big beef and fat. Now “heavier” or more “metal” no, I don’t think so. Metal is all about attitude, if it makes your face crunch and your fit tighter then it’s metal. 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽
As the owner of an ML1 Baritone V1, I can say it's probably one of my favorite guitars to play. Plus, the longer scale length means it can be tuned even lower. I've comfortably tuned my ML1 down to G standard and Drop F, and it played fine. While it may not have as many strings, it can still play as low as a 7 or even an 8 string guitar.
I feel down tuning adds like a "twang" to the sound, which impacts the tone a lot, kinda like playing slap bass. Obviously whether or not this works for a particular song is dependent on whether the song was wrote with it in mind.
I honestly don't think so. A good guitar riff should have an element of heaviness regardless of tuning. Sylosis play in E and D standard and they're heavy af. Edit: Btw 4:11 is the riff from the first round of Jared Dines vs Sarah Longfield. 🤘🤘🤘
@@setra23 Yeah because you can just chug all the time instead of writing something interesting, and big interval jumps sound more drastic and are easier to do in drop tuning.
To me it all depends on the riff and style of music you're going for. Both sound great in my opinion. I usually play in C# for my Death/Thrash metal type stuff and I play in drop A for my Slam/Deathcore stuff.
Well, with a B-to-b baritone dropped tuned to A, the A string is the same A as a bass. Lower does not equal heavier. Lower equals muddier...especially in a mix.
@@devosaurs3632 absolutely. It also depends on the string gauge. The heavier you go, the more your pick attack suffers. I use a 13-64 set that still gives you a nice crisp attack. Some dudes are using .75 and higher, and I think it sounds like sludge.
That tells me you aren't very experienced in setting the EQ... On your own amp and mixing a song. When you use lower tunings, to avoid the muddiness you cut some of the bass out of the EQ and add more treble. Also you typically want to be on the bridge pick up. It's already low, it's already going to sound big and fat, so you dont need to crank the bass frequencies in the same manner you would using standard tuning. You want more high end to bring out the definition of the notes. It's only muddy if you don't know how to properly set up your amp... And that means you're going to sound bad regardless of your tuning.
Had my Chapman V2 bari for almost a year now and I love to bits. Insane value for money. It’s beyond ridiculous how much clarity there is in even the lowest of tunings. Been switching mine between Drop G# and Drop F# and it sounds clearer and tighter than most 8-string guitars, and needs very little setup for it, just a little bit of intonation. Even tunings lower than those sound really tight (talking Drop E here). Thing’s an absolute monster. Barely touched another guitar since getting it.
Great video, Pete! I got the same guitar from Thomann 2 weeks ago (great bang for the buck!!!). I went for a set of EB Beefy Slinky strings (11-54) and my god was I shocked at how amazing the guitar played! Therefore, shout out to all of you out there still looking for the perfect guitar - string gauge combination: you don’t need super heavy strings for baritones. I cannot stress it enough how well regular sets of strings will do (also tried the Mammoth Slinky set before the one mentioned above). You’ll get that nice slinky feel, good tension and most importantly, you’ll be as comfortable as possible when playing. I really hope this message helps to debunk all sorts of ridiculous ideas about string gauge for baritones! Please, if you’re a guitar player torn between all those forums and all those guitar myths, get away from it! Take your time, save a little money and just have fun experimenting! Rock on! 🤘
I usually just stick 10-52s on in D standard or Drop C with a normal setup, regular 9s for E standard, and I haven't found anything that works well for lower than the low C because I would need to cut my nut to make it work
Honestly, downtuning doesn't make things heavier imo, just Chunky. And obviously, some riffs need that chunk, while others don't. Bleed would sound like crap in E standard, while Sylosis would sound just plain weird in B standard. Whether or not you need to down tune depends entirely on the riff.
Exactly! It most depends on the context, if ur playing Djent or Groovy Metal downtuning will sounds better, but for Thrash Metal E standard is just perfect
When you play the lowest string with a shit load of reverb. Now that is the sweet spot. Can create a bigget space with the baritone. Just fill your soul up. ^^
I’ve got the V1 version of that same guitar and I agree, it is a fantastic guitar, especially for the price. Swapped out the pickups for some Lundgren m6s and couldn’t be happier.
Useful vid. I’ve been thinking of either a 7 string or Baritone as my next guitar. For me the 6 string gave the riffs more attack, more punch. I think the longer neck/string length made the sound more “flubby”. I’m now thinking more towards the 7 string.
Heaviness in my opinion is a result of the technique you use, the tone, the rhythms you use and most importantly the scales, modes and the intervals you use. The tuning is just a preference in my opinion. Gojira are one of the heaviest bands out the lower they go is Drop C so imo opinion it doesnt really matter
It’s more of a yes and no for me. Tuning lower definitely changes the mood for sure and hell, sometimes it makes you want to break some shit. So tuning lower is part of it but it’s not really the tuning that makes the riff heavy, it’s the riff itself. It really just depends on how you write the riff and how it sounds and turns out afterwards.
There's a place for each. I've been playing guitar since 1986 and just got my first baritone last year. After seeing Jungle Rot just destroy with their massive and brutal tone, I had an Ibanez RGIB6 before the week was over. Paired with a Mesa dual rec or peavey 6505+, it's just awe inspiring. Now I've got a second baritone. An LTD MH400B. That said, I still love my les Paul in E and schecters in D. Time and a place for everything.
This PRS Fade appreciation thread is 8 years old... So really. Nothing new here. forums.prsguitars.com/threads/wicked-crazy-fades-thread-i-see-2-colors-3-colors-more.683/
5:30 and onward those songs definitely benefit from the lower tuning, I think mainly due to the sustained palm muted notes that were complemented by the longer sustain due to proper string tension.
I actually prefer the regular one. Downtuning it too much just makes it sound muddy and dull. Then again, I've never really been a fan of anything lower than C tuning.
I bought one of these used for $300 in the charcoal gray. The factory pickups were horrible so I replaced them with some Dimarzios. I will be replacing them again with emgs because of the low F/G tunings I'm using and will be reshaping the headstock. As far as I'm concerned with Chapman's lower line of guitars... they are just a good base for modifying the heck out of. There won't be any resale in the guitar anyways so might as well may it sound, look, and play how you want it to. 👍
Glad I found someone else with the same preferences. I think it all depends on the riff, whether it needs the tightness of a higher tuning, or the weight and 'bloom' of a lower tuning.
@@Davier9999 Your playing style doesn't change as much. You dont have to worry about different hand placement, strings ringing over with the extra string. You basically just play normally (often in drop tunings but sometimes in low 'standard') but you might have to make some slightly wider stretches. Either way you've got a guitar meant for extending the low range. I don't recommend tuning a regular ol guitar down more than 1 or 1.5 whole steps
@@kingnothing2161 I used to play my 6 strings in drop A, even though it was 25,5'. I used .13 gauge strings and it was alright. Then I got my first 7 and never looked back. It was effortless really.
Not that someone asks, but the only thing I don't like about the Chapman guitars are the pickups, they kinda hiss for humbuckers. But switching them for SD Black Winter makes these guitars really, really awesome for the price (even with the additional SD pickups price).
100% into the downtuning and baritone. Just savage sounding. I think it is heavier but all the more so because it's contrasted with an uptuned version. Like ideally I want both. Same as when you swapped bass as lead. I want both. (I do like the Bass version of Kinetic better. Wish I could get it.)
Hah! Got the same guitar, with the grey/ash finish. I was thinking on getting the "Abyss" finish, the one that starts with purple on the bottom and fades into blue, but that kinda seemed too much.
I think that different tunings work better for different riffs. Like some amp-tones work great for some songs, and some better for other songs. The first riff for example fit the regular 6 string better, whilst I preferred the second riff on the baritone.
I used to love low tunings, but over the years I've started to appreciate the clarity you get out of higher tunings more and more, especially live and for faster riffs. It's (usually) much harder to get the same definition with low tunings, at least with high gain.
Hello Pete ,i have baritone ,7 strings ans 8 strings guitars ,i prefer to play on baritone ,because it's more easy to play with 6 strings ,sometimes i'm lost on the neck ,and i make some bad keys ! lol because i don't play too much the 7 and the 8 strings ,i play 6 string more and for me the baritone is the best compromise between the 7 strings and the 6 strings with low tuning .it's more easy to play more longer neck than larger neck no ?
I've read many times that it's not the tuning what makes a riff heavier but the riff itself and the way it was written. And I can't help but saying it's totally true. As a musician, I've written many songs in many different tunings, and it's safe to say that the song/riff helps to the tuning and not the other way. It won't sound heavier or softer, just different. In conclusion, if the song/riff is well written, any tuning could go just good with it. If it's not, then no matter what tuning it uses, it's just not gonna work. Very nice video, man. Keep it up!
When I think heavy, one of the main things that tags along behind that initial thought is definition. Clarity, that thump in the low end. I remember testing different amps when I was younger and if I couldn't get that thump I wasn't interested.
What makes a riff a chestbreaker riff is the composition, for example Kataklysm most destroyer riffs are usually the melodic ones, not the low notes ones. Nice video and nice guitar
"27 inches, which is very, very long."
Me: Laughs in bass.
thats what she said
slapped like on that comment
I have a 28 scale inch guitar
*Laughs harder in 41 inch upright bass scale length*
SlipknotMFKR out of curiosity what make/model is it? Not sure ive ever seen a 28 that wasn’t an 8 string, but then again I mostly just see “baritone” and think 27 or 27.5 and never check for sure
Preferred the standard on all of them, but that really just makes me think they were all written on that guitar initially. Had it been the other way around I suspect I would have preferred the baritone versions. The best riffs are built around the timbre of the instrument I reckon.
I was waiting for someone to say that. I saw a video of drop d vs drop d one octave lower and the more precise and thrashy riffs worked in the higher tuning while the low tuning was best for slow and brooding djenty riffs. At a certain point, low tuned power chords get really muddy.
I completely agree with your timbre comment, and I REALLY didn’t expect anyone to say that, because that’s far to logical for the tribalistic nature of the internet. That said, I agree, I also think he’s palm muting where he would for a normal scale guitar, quite close to the bridge, which means the mutes sound very different ( and in my opinion less good, but that’s just personal preference )
That's what i thought when i played megadeth and metallica in d standard and it sounded really weird
I think a lot of us feel this way. I’ve heard plenty of songs written in standard that sounded super heavy.
TBH I think the standard sounded better too. It's not just about pitch, it's definition as well, and the baritone just lacked it to my ears. Perhaps with a bit less gain it would improve?
"Fat and evil"
Sounds like if i had a social media bio
How dare you bully me!
(Joke lol.)
Phil Anselmo on downtuning: "Is there no standard anymore?"
I see what you did there ;)
Lmao
@@ThomasAntoniusOlsenJr.333 someone didn't get the joke
One of the things most unique to Dimebag throughout his career was his use of altered tunings. From Cowboys From Hell to Reinventing the Steel, Dime constantly challenged the preconceptions of how a guitar should be tuned. Early on, when tuned “regularly” to E (E, A, D, G, B, E), Dime’s guitars were actually tuned down more than a quarter step. As his guitar tech has noted, that meant that the guitars were tuned to “D# plus 40 cents on his Korg tuner. The A string was G# plus 40 cents, D was C# plus 40 cents, etc.” (Note: The Van Halen influence is definitely in effect here, as Van Halen I and Van Halen II are tuned in a similar manner.)
Dimebag also experimented with “drop D” tuning on Cowboys From Hell (C# plus 40 cents), but later become a fan of tuning the entire guitar down a whole step, beginning with A Vulgar Display of Power. This tuning (D,G,C,F,A,D-a quarter step flat) was used extensively on “Walk” and “A New Level." Further use of this tuning was used on Far Beyond Driven (“Becoming,” “I’m Broken,” “5 Minutes Alone,” etc.), and by Reinventing the Steel it was Dime’s main “standard” tuning.
Never one to be limited, Dime also used a “drop D down one step” (C,G,C,F,A,D), and “down 1 ½ steps” (C#,F#,B,E,G#,C#). The last, which is the same tuning used by Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath, was a favorite of Dime’s on The Great Southern Trendkill (“Drag the Waters”, etc.), and became the new standard by the time of his band Damageplan (New Found Power), though Dime was also known to use “drop D down 1 ½ steps” (B,F#,B,E,G#,C#).
@@ThomasAntoniusOlsenJr.333 funny,that's what I think about lower tunings,the lower you tune,the lamer it is
I've had a baritone for almost 3 years, and I absolutely love it. Brutal AF. A lot of people are talking about how muddy they are, but that's very easy to remedy with the right amp settings, pickups, and string gauge. It isn't necessarily "more metal," but you definitely get a fatter, more robust low end tone that's very pleasing. This guitar has helped me find my own voice that I was always missing. And you have the comfort of a 6 string neck width with the tuned down goodness of a 7 string!
7stringslinger74 yeah, also people don’t seem to get that you kinda need to adjust your playing to the gauge and tension. Not every guitarist would sound good with a bass for the same exact reason. If playing bass with distortion and chords was the norm, people would complain that “basses are muddy” too xD
Elijah Charwyn yes, I sort of thought of bass as a simpler guitar, but it’s all different, firstly the frets a lot longer and you keep your hand up a lot - and you wnd up tired a lot faster, and then you can’t just use a pick if you want the low end to fit the guitar.. anyway different and more work, also need thicker skin..
I’ve been thinking on a 7 string, but not sure about the width, I do mainly play the fattest strings..
I love mine. The local "guitarist" "friends" from my town are all gossiping and talking s*** about me cuz I play a baritone down tuned. It's so hilarious.!
Riff 1: higher
Riff 2: lower
Riff 3: lower
Riff 4: higher
The biggest thing to remember about downtuning is writing to the timbre of the instrument you’re playing. Sludgy and brooding riffs work better in lower tuning while the high tuning helps with keeping clarity in precise playing.
Thats why I prefer a 7 String in Standard B. You basically got the E Standard with an extra low B.
Gojira literally wrote the heaviest matter in the universe in D standard soooo
Aka the most appropriately named metal song ever
@@zamkowicz Also the best metal song like, ever (Well, maybe top 5 at least)
I think that the heaviness of the riff is not in the tunning, is in the way you write the riffs, if it's designed to be heavier in drop A than drop D then it will sound heavier in Drop A, although i wonder how it will sound Laid To Rest by Lamb Of God in Drop A
...soooo WHAT?
Killswitch Engage and Counterparts have wrote countless of heaviest riffs in that tuning too.
Check out Nik Nocturnal's latest video: riffs in E.
You yourself also did an up tuned metal video. It was heavy AF.
Riffs are heavy. Not tunings. Peace.
Pete gives you 2 same exact riffs in different tunings, so you can hear for yourself. Your statement "Riffs are heavy. Not tunings" is inappropriate here.
It's a balance between both what makes the ACTUAL MUSIC heavy.
Riffs are Heavy, Tunings are heavy, tunings help riffs be heavier.
Heavy Tuned riffs are a blessing.
🤦♂️
Just cause they’re are heavy riffs in E, doesn’t mean it’s HEAVIER.
The lower tuning helps make the riff heaviER, it doesn’t automatically make it heavy
Can't stand the guy.
Hey, that first riff was Embodiment by Carcass isn't it ?
well second riff was also Carcass, love it !
Atsaan I knew that riff seemed familiar
blind leading the blind
New respect for Pete
damn i had to read your comment before 👍🏻
@@eddyguizonde401 *Blind Bleeding the Blind
I gotta say I kinda dig the baritone guitar for some of those riffs. Ok, most of those riffs. Ok, fine, all of those riffs.
Bro if you dig baritones you should check out The Bunn on TH-cam, his channel’s only for baritones
Riff 1: standard was heavy enough, bari felt like to much
Riff 2: bari sounded much better
Riff 3: both sound good.
Riff 4: felt designed for the bari, but sounded amazing on the standard
Every riff you...just...play sounds songworthy. Heavy af
some of those are actually riffs from songs, not to take away the credit
the first three are carcass (forgot song name) ac/dc (back in black) and carcass (blind leading the blind)
@@eddyguizonde401 not those, the ones he played to compare
@@eddyguizonde401 *Blind Bleeding the Blind
0:55
Like if you recognized Carcass
Riffing straight into Embodiment caught me by surprise as well!
Embodiment from Heartwork! ;)
Ha. Thought it was my imagination.
I had so much troubles recognizing from where I knew the riff. I knew I listened to that specific song very very often but couldn't remember from where.
At some point i settled on Arch Enemy. I was wrong but.. not that far
Followed by Blind Leading the Blind at 2:45 🤘
I should mention that while a lot of people say there are loads of really heavy riffs in higher tunings, there are also a lot of very clean and touchy-feely riffs in low tunings. For example, Jake's riff from garden in the bones by Periphery is in AGCFAD tuning, and is not heavy at all (I love that riff btw). This goes to show that tuning doesn't affect the intensity of a song in the way most people think it does. The tuning really affects the feel more so in my opinion.
Definitely heavier for me. Sounds miles better on the baritone to my ears
well you are wrong and thats a fact...
just kidding
This difference in sound are just another pickups/wood/strings whatever
I don't think baritone affects on the sound THAT much
@@mikhailplatonov8039 disagree. Not talking about the tone. It just sounds heavier overall because of the lower pitch. It could be the same guitar with a lower pitch and I'd still prefer it lower
100% agree bro. Drop fucking F for example sounds definitely heavier than E standard aka dad-rock tuning. And there's nothing you can do about it
If somebody says that Sylosis's riffs are heavy I get it. But compared to MIW's Black Damask, Devil's Night and Burned at Both Ends (which are in Drop A and sound absolutely phenomenal from perspective of guitar tone) Sylosis's riffs are just nice light chugga-chugga
The first riff I liked more on the standard six string, every other riff I enjoyed more on the barritone. I myself play with extra heavy gauge strings on a standard six string in C standard and drop A# and I enjoy it.
Does it sound heavier, what do you think? :)
oh yeah it does \m/
I don't think so, I prefer when it's thight and I feel it more in higher tuning
4:11 Does anyone know where this riff is from.
Not "heavier" but the sound changes, a different "eq" curve imo
yep.
Generally speaking lowering the tuning will make it sound heavier BUT there's some riffs that (in my opinion) sound heavier played in Drop D than in like Drop C or even B. Some that come to mind right away are God Hates Us by A7X and Laid to Rest by Lamb of God.
To me, playing those riffs sounds "heavier" in drop d than in lower tunings 🤔
Does anybody even really have a strict, objective definition of what sounds "heavy"?
@@trebmaster good point
@@trebmaster I do, but my views are my own...sooo
Yup, say hello to The Heaviest Matter of the Universe (D standard)
Sooooo sick man!! Keeping being awesome and stay metal! \m/
Low tuning sounds exactly how you said it big beef and fat. Now “heavier” or more “metal” no, I don’t think so. Metal is all about attitude, if it makes your face crunch and your fit tighter then it’s metal. 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽
That's a great point , for instance I would consider 'helter skelter ' by the Beatles heavy as fuck .
@@Williamstanway Agree and think that Pete needs to do Helter Skelter in the style of 20 bands.
I also agree
Same I think Johnny B Goode will forever be the heaviest riff
well said dude!!!!
As the owner of an ML1 Baritone V1, I can say it's probably one of my favorite guitars to play. Plus, the longer scale length means it can be tuned even lower. I've comfortably tuned my ML1 down to G standard and Drop F, and it played fine. While it may not have as many strings, it can still play as low as a 7 or even an 8 string guitar.
I feel down tuning adds like a "twang" to the sound, which impacts the tone a lot, kinda like playing slap bass. Obviously whether or not this works for a particular song is dependent on whether the song was wrote with it in mind.
I have the first model, love it, cool to see you jam on it
I honestly don't think so. A good guitar riff should have an element of heaviness regardless of tuning. Sylosis play in E and D standard and they're heavy af.
Edit: Btw 4:11 is the riff from the first round of Jared Dines vs Sarah Longfield. 🤘🤘🤘
I'd say writing in lower tunings makes writing heavy easier, rather than just being inherently heavier.
@@setra23 Yeah because you can just chug all the time instead of writing something interesting, and big interval jumps sound more drastic and are easier to do in drop tuning.
The heaviest metalcore album I’ve ever heard was written in Drop D. It really is the riffing technique that makes a song heavy.
Can you recommend us this album, please?
Personally the lowest tuning I like for guitars is C#. Everything gets too muddy below that.
@@thiagofigueiredo2976 maybe ; As i lay dying an ocean between us
4:11 is the riff from the first round of Jared Dines vs Sarah Longfield. 🤘🤘🤘
That's pretty awesome
Sounds like Lamb of God
That is a beautiful guitar. I have just begun playing the guitar and I find your videos very informative. Thanks a lot.
To me it all depends on the riff and style of music you're going for. Both sound great in my opinion. I usually play in C# for my Death/Thrash metal type stuff and I play in drop A for my Slam/Deathcore stuff.
Holy shit, busting out the Embodiment and Blind Leading the Blind riffs from Carcass straight away? On point, my man - on point 🤘
Well, with a B-to-b baritone dropped tuned to A, the A string is the same A as a bass. Lower does not equal heavier. Lower equals muddier...especially in a mix.
That purely depends on pickups, scale length and tuning stability. Lower doesn’t equal heavier but it’s fun. That’s the whole point dude
@@devosaurs3632 absolutely. It also depends on the string gauge. The heavier you go, the more your pick attack suffers. I use a 13-64 set that still gives you a nice crisp attack. Some dudes are using .75 and higher, and I think it sounds like sludge.
That tells me you aren't very experienced in setting the EQ... On your own amp and mixing a song.
When you use lower tunings, to avoid the muddiness you cut some of the bass out of the EQ and add more treble. Also you typically want to be on the bridge pick up.
It's already low, it's already going to sound big and fat, so you dont need to crank the bass frequencies in the same manner you would using standard tuning. You want more high end to bring out the definition of the notes.
It's only muddy if you don't know how to properly set up your amp... And that means you're going to sound bad regardless of your tuning.
royalcat10 definitely aware of that already my friend
@@devosaurs3632 That was moreso directed at the original commenter.
Had my Chapman V2 bari for almost a year now and I love to bits. Insane value for money. It’s beyond ridiculous how much clarity there is in even the lowest of tunings.
Been switching mine between Drop G# and Drop F# and it sounds clearer and tighter than most 8-string guitars, and needs very little setup for it, just a little bit of intonation. Even tunings lower than those sound really tight (talking Drop E here). Thing’s an absolute monster. Barely touched another guitar since getting it.
WINNAHS:
1: Baritone
2: Standard
3: Standard
4: Baritone
It's the exact opposite for me. That's funny. The riffs sound really good either way though
Decide yourself man lmao
Great video, Pete! I got the same guitar from Thomann 2 weeks ago (great bang for the buck!!!). I went for a set of EB Beefy Slinky strings (11-54) and my god was I shocked at how amazing the guitar played! Therefore, shout out to all of you out there still looking for the perfect guitar - string gauge combination: you don’t need super heavy strings for baritones. I cannot stress it enough how well regular sets of strings will do (also tried the Mammoth Slinky set before the one mentioned above). You’ll get that nice slinky feel, good tension and most importantly, you’ll be as comfortable as possible when playing. I really hope this message helps to debunk all sorts of ridiculous ideas about string gauge for baritones! Please, if you’re a guitar player torn between all those forums and all those guitar myths, get away from it! Take your time, save a little money and just have fun experimenting!
Rock on! 🤘
Had one fellow once try to convince me that he tunes down to B with extra light strings and gets no excess slack in the strings whatsoever.
Lol I use fattys and still feel loose as fuck in B with a standard guitar setup
I usually just stick 10-52s on in D standard or Drop C with a normal setup, regular 9s for E standard, and I haven't found anything that works well for lower than the low C because I would need to cut my nut to make it work
@@themightymcb7310 how would cutting the neck help?
@@beholden_to_ducks not the neck, the nut. Most stock nuts aren't wide enough to accommodate a .60 gauge string, so you need to cut them wider.
Why does no one get you can play with 46-9s on drop b the strings don’t even wobble and it sounds the same imo
It sounds great and I learned something. Thank you for making this vid.
Honestly, downtuning doesn't make things heavier imo, just Chunky. And obviously, some riffs need that chunk, while others don't. Bleed would sound like crap in E standard, while Sylosis would sound just plain weird in B standard. Whether or not you need to down tune depends entirely on the riff.
I agree
this is one of the best comments, since heaviness really depends on how you write the riff, rather than the tuning of it
Exactly! It most depends on the context, if ur playing Djent or Groovy Metal downtuning will sounds better, but for Thrash Metal E standard is just perfect
The majority of bleed is the just the note Eb...
@@elensie6897 You mean D#? Well....Eb/D#. What's difference? They are the same note.
Hey ya, Pete!!
I like the regular tuning with the black guitar.
Like if you recognized “Embodiment” by the first riff.
I love how you started with Carcass! 🤘
When you play the lowest string with a shit load of reverb. Now that is the sweet spot.
Can create a bigget space with the baritone. Just fill your soul up. ^^
The first person I've seen whose go to first riff for B standard was Blind Bleeding the Blind by Carcass.
I love u and ur vids man \m/ thrash on bro!! ❤️
I’ve got the V1 version of that same guitar and I agree, it is a fantastic guitar, especially for the price. Swapped out the pickups for some Lundgren m6s and couldn’t be happier.
Riff 1: standard
Riff 2: baritone
Riff 3: works equally well with both tunings
Riff 4: standard
I literally just ordered that exact guitar...cant wait till it comes in...
It's just the style about how your playing. Every tuning can be heavy. I personally use Drop C tuning, cause i think melody and solos sound better.
Useful vid. I’ve been thinking of either a 7 string or Baritone as my next guitar.
For me the 6 string gave the riffs more attack, more punch. I think the longer neck/string length made the sound more “flubby”. I’m now thinking more towards the 7 string.
My man chugged so hard his monitor started shaking
Honestly I don't think you can have one without the other. I like the contrast between parts. Pretty awesome!
Heaviness in my opinion is a result of the technique you use, the tone, the rhythms you use and most importantly the scales, modes and the intervals you use. The tuning is just a preference in my opinion. Gojira are one of the heaviest bands out the lower they go is Drop C so imo opinion it doesnt really matter
I love Gojira and all but calling them one of the heaviest bands seems pretty wrong
@@xibucksgrindset6379 I mean once again its opinions. Imo they're heavier then most of the death metal bands
@@xibucksgrindset6379 you have an interesting definition of heavy then, my friend
Found an easy way to bring out the metal snobs, my friend.
Baritone! I have one. 28-5/8 scale. 13-56 strings. drop A tuning. I love it!
It’s more of a yes and no for me. Tuning lower definitely changes the mood for sure and hell, sometimes it makes you want to break some shit. So tuning lower is part of it but it’s not really the tuning that makes the riff heavy, it’s the riff itself. It really just depends on how you write the riff and how it sounds and turns out afterwards.
1. Up tuned
2. Down tuned
3. Tied
4. Up tuned
Songs sound better in my opinion
1. Regular
2. Baritone
3. Regular
4. Regular
There's a place for each. I've been playing guitar since 1986 and just got my first baritone last year. After seeing Jungle Rot just destroy with their massive and brutal tone, I had an Ibanez RGIB6 before the week was over. Paired with a Mesa dual rec or peavey 6505+, it's just awe inspiring. Now I've got a second baritone. An LTD MH400B. That said, I still love my les Paul in E and schecters in D. Time and a place for everything.
Chapman copying Mayones paint schemes now.
Because all guitars were one single solid color before Mayones did a faded blend...
Every guitar company copies each other's paint schemes.
NicoDa1 name one other company beside Mayones that has a faded purple color going into a natural grain wood finish?
@@BurntSquirrel ESP, Ibanez, Jackson, Vola, Acacia........ I can go on all day
This PRS Fade appreciation thread is 8 years old... So really. Nothing new here.
forums.prsguitars.com/threads/wicked-crazy-fades-thread-i-see-2-colors-3-colors-more.683/
5:30 and onward those songs definitely benefit from the lower tuning, I think mainly due to the sustained palm muted notes that were complemented by the longer sustain due to proper string tension.
I dunno about heaviness, but I like the regular-tuned versions more.
Fun fact Pete! You have played a baritone! That red Rabea Massaad signature at Thomann was a Baritone!
I was wondering if someone would remember that haha, I think I played it for 15 mins max though :)
Why would I forget about your awesome colab with gear gods? ❤️❤️
I actually prefer the regular one. Downtuning it too much just makes it sound muddy and dull. Then again, I've never really been a fan of anything lower than C tuning.
When you say "C tuning" you mean Drop C, right?
I bought one of these used for $300 in the charcoal gray. The factory pickups were horrible so I replaced them with some Dimarzios. I will be replacing them again with emgs because of the low F/G tunings I'm using and will be reshaping the headstock. As far as I'm concerned with Chapman's lower line of guitars... they are just a good base for modifying the heck out of. There won't be any resale in the guitar anyways so might as well may it sound, look, and play how you want it to. 👍
First : Heavier in standard
Second : Heavier in lower
Third : Heavier in standard
Fourth : Heavier in lower
Glad I found someone else with the same preferences. I think it all depends on the riff, whether it needs the tightness of a higher tuning, or the weight and 'bloom' of a lower tuning.
I pre ordered that finish last month. tuning it to drop Eb and putting some thicker strings as soon as it gets here.
WELCOME TO THE BARITONE CLUB. ITS HARD TO PLAY ANYTHING ELSE AFTER GETTING USED TO IT. 🤘🤘🤘🤘
What's good about a 6 string baritone guitar? (Honest question here, not trolling) Why don't pick up a 7 strings instead?
@@Davier9999 Your playing style doesn't change as much. You dont have to worry about different hand placement, strings ringing over with the extra string. You basically just play normally (often in drop tunings but sometimes in low 'standard') but you might have to make some slightly wider stretches. Either way you've got a guitar meant for extending the low range. I don't recommend tuning a regular ol guitar down more than 1 or 1.5 whole steps
Lol just put heavier strings or 7/8 strings set on a normal guitar and tune down, no need for baritones :D
@@kingnothing2161 I used to play my 6 strings in drop A, even though it was 25,5'. I used .13 gauge strings and it was alright. Then I got my first 7 and never looked back. It was effortless really.
Sounds great!
Baritone guitars are sick
Not that someone asks, but the only thing I don't like about the Chapman guitars are the pickups, they kinda hiss for humbuckers. But switching them for SD Black Winter makes these guitars really, really awesome for the price (even with the additional SD pickups price).
I would say yeah. The down-tuning certainly makes it sound heavier.
100% into the downtuning and baritone. Just savage sounding. I think it is heavier but all the more so because it's contrasted with an uptuned version. Like ideally I want both. Same as when you swapped bass as lead. I want both. (I do like the Bass version of Kinetic better. Wish I could get it.)
If you like Architects this is your cover guitar xd
Hah! Got the same guitar, with the grey/ash finish.
I was thinking on getting the "Abyss" finish, the one that starts
with purple on the bottom and fades into blue, but that kinda seemed too much.
0:54 thought you're gonna play Gematria for a second, disappointed >:^(
Lol cause of a big slide? I thought Sulfur off the same album, prob cause I just learnt it hahah
@@tahnnickson1069 the first few notes sounded exactly like the breakdown of Gematria.
Does anyone know what song the riff from 2:46 is from?
Dillinger escape plan play in standard
Opeth play in standard as well, and they sound suuuuuper heavy
I was rocking to this video hard! I watched it like three times!
Baritone is like a guitar and bass in one
Not really
Jake matter of opinion and player pal
@@ArticLight14 No, it's not a matter of opinion. There are hybrid bass/guitars out there. A baritone guitar is still higher pitched than a bass.
What is a riff on 0:28?
the riffs are heavy,,, but the tuning makes it more c h o n k y
Not an ad. Your opinion is the most important thing about this video.
All of those riffs benefited from being downtuned
Awesome bro.kindly make a baritone vs. 7 string
I think that different tunings work better for different riffs. Like some amp-tones work great for some songs, and some better for other songs. The first riff for example fit the regular 6 string better, whilst I preferred the second riff on the baritone.
The modulation from E to B in the last 2 riffs sounds sweet.
I used to love low tunings, but over the years I've started to appreciate the clarity you get out of higher tunings more and more, especially live and for faster riffs. It's (usually) much harder to get the same definition with low tunings, at least with high gain.
Hello Pete ,i have baritone ,7 strings ans 8 strings guitars ,i prefer to play on baritone ,because it's more easy to play with 6 strings ,sometimes i'm lost on the neck ,and i make some bad keys ! lol because i don't play too much the 7 and the 8 strings ,i play 6 string more and for me the baritone is the best compromise between the 7 strings and the 6 strings with low tuning .it's more easy to play more longer neck than larger neck no ?
I've read many times that it's not the tuning what makes a riff heavier but the riff itself and the way it was written. And I can't help but saying it's totally true.
As a musician, I've written many songs in many different tunings, and it's safe to say that the song/riff helps to the tuning and not the other way. It won't sound heavier or softer, just different.
In conclusion, if the song/riff is well written, any tuning could go just good with it. If it's not, then no matter what tuning it uses, it's just not gonna work.
Very nice video, man. Keep it up!
The tone on the baritone is phenomenal
Straight in with the Carcass riff. Nice.
That's a fucking SICK guitar! sounds super! would love to try one !
When I think heavy, one of the main things that tags along behind that initial thought is definition. Clarity, that thump in the low end. I remember testing different amps when I was younger and if I couldn't get that thump I wasn't interested.
3:30 Hmm.. I may be mistaken but doesn't longer scale length imply less tension for the same tuning?
Vice versa
0:55
Carcass -
Embodiment
I love the Riffs in unison with the bass drum
I loved the baritone guitar on all of them
I just think that the key change between the two versions it sounds amazing
What makes a riff a chestbreaker riff is the composition, for example Kataklysm most destroyer riffs are usually the melodic ones, not the low notes ones. Nice video and nice guitar
That's 5 had me fuckin' dying. 10/10 content as always dude.
I have that exact guitar just with the ashe wood grain finish.
Loved the baringtone one
The first of the four riffs is fucking badass bro, amazing riff
Insane. Love it