... and I owned, drove, and raced many of them ... the most impressive to me was the LS-6 Crate engine I put into my Toyota Land Cruiser, daily driver and weekend Sand Dragger. (that was an engine I learned about when they first came out from a friend in the business, took a while before they became known by most and it was their high performance despite their being so under-rated from the Factory).
+1 on the 273 V8. We had a 65 Dodge Dart GT with that motor that consistently outran 351 Mustangs. I'd also add the (Tornado) 343 V8 from AMC. I bought a 1968 Javelin SST with this motor and it had 186,000 miles on it at the time. My girlfriend at the time had a 1980 Pontiac Turbo Trans-Am. On the way home from having a stereo installed she decided to drag race me from a red light. I expected to lose on top end, but I was wrong. The Javelin just destroyed her. She didn't speak to me for 3 days because she was pissed a car I bought for $975.00 beat her $18,000 Trans- Am. I just laughed and said "you're the one that started the race".
@@martyburke2478 I remember those AMC car. Buddy of mine in auto mechanics trade school in high school had a black one 4 speed, 390 with a posi track in the rear. Man that thing was wicked! Getting down on it between 2nd and 3rd gear shift it would blow the dip stick for the oil out of the tube and make a ping noise as it hit the hood. Lots of power that car had.
Also the Studebaker Golden Hawk was a total sleeper and blew the doors off a lotta shocked Poneys and Chevelle. Plus I thought it was Kool looking. Dandahermit
From what I heard about the 327 is the reason they stopped making that particular motor is that it never blew up. It was that well designed of a motor.
Around 40 years ago,I installed a modified L-79 into the back seat of a `66 Corvair Corsa, that was a sleeper that embarrassed a lot of Chevelles, Goats, Boss Mustangs, Road Runners, you name it....Another "forgotten" engine was AMC`s 390, IIRC somewhere around 320 HP, a neighbor of mine had an AMX with that engine, and a 4-speed trans. It was a quick little car....
The LAPD replaced its Plymouth Belvederes with AMC Matadors in the early '70's because the Matadors not only handled better than the Plymouths, but the AMC 401 actually performed better than the 383 Plymouth engines. Every PD that bought the Matadors really liked them, but the president of AMC did not think that AMC was making enough on the police cruisers and cancelled the lineup after 3 years.
I know your post is a few years old but I thought I'd add this. I could not get the secondaries to open on my 340 71 duster. Tried everything. Then I swapped it for a double pumper holley, 780 I believe. Talk about wake an engine up ! I live in a small town in Eastern Canada. There was no internet back then and speed parts were non existence . I embarrassed every Ford and Chevy to the point they would no longer race me. Thanks for listening.
I’ve had several 289 hipo’s and still think their great engines plus I love the exhaust sound of these motors much more the the 302’s that replaced them.
In my younger years, 79-80, I dropped a 289 HO 4 barrel in a 71 2door Maverick, automatic tranny. Changed the rear-end to posi-track. Wanted to run headers, but the engine was so tight had to use stock exhaust with cherry bombs. Talk about a sleeper car ! Got me some extra gas and beer money several times
289 ford sb K code and chevy 283 sb power pack two of the best V8s ever built in my very humble opinion I've owned both and ran them very hard they both stayed together
Im only 43 yrs old but I'm very familiar with every one of these engines due to growing up in my grandfather's junkyard during the late 70s- early 80s when mid 1960s to early 70s cars were still fairly common. Not one of these engines are unknown if you're a true car guy. Always really liked the Ford K-Code 289 and Mopar 340 small blocks, especially the 65 Mustang Shelby GT350 powered by a 306 hp version of the K-Code 289 and the 1970 Plymouth AAR Cuda/Dodge Challenger T/A powered by the 340 Six Barrel. Also loved the 340 powered Plymouth Duster/ Dodge Dart/ Dodge Demon.....maybe the best performance bargain of the entire muscle car era
Well I am 46 and these engines are all very easy to work on. Just a carb is the main thing. Yet I know a guy that makes carbs for drag racing and a lot of drag racers use his carbs either Turbo, Pro/Supercharged or nitrous. His car nitrous with his carb is a 5.80 car. Dude knows his stuff.
I was selling Pontiacs in 69 and had a 350 HO 4spd Custom S for a demonstrator. We ordered it to fight the Roadrunner price advantage over the GTO. It did the job but the dealer wouldn't let us order them for inventory. They had to be sold then ordered so we only sold 6-7 that year. What a shame.
Another motor that isn't mention is the R4 Studebaker supercharged 289 in the Avanti...the tiny all fiberglass body though did make for a very interesting car and a supercharged V8 in a car slightly smaller than a modern Honda Civic (that weight even less) was an insane combination!!
I recall reading that Andy Granatelli drove a twin-supercharged R4 Avanti from 0 to 171 mph in 60 seconds flat on the Bonneville Salt Flats in 1964... but don't quote me on this. I was just a small child at the time...
@@BrianMitchem I’m not confused at all. Perhaps learn about the word motor. Not my fault society doesn’t understand its original meaning and why it was used in auto makers names etc.
You're a bad builder then troop. The 289 was one of the most bulletproof small blocks ever made. Unless you know more than Carroll Shelby. My guess is you DON'T.
65 Buick 300 nailhead; 67 Ford 289(4bbl, Falcon Futura) 70 Ford 302(Mercury Comet) 74 Buick 350; 79 Pontiac 301(2bbl Grand Prix and 4bbl Regal): Not necessarily rare or unheard of, but all were vehicles I had that performed exceptionally well without ANY modifications; and they were easy to work on. The only modifcation exception was the Comet, which had dual exhaust. Another interesting car I owned was a 1980 Triumph TR7 with a Buick 231 under the hood and a 5 speed manual transmission. It outperformed every other Triumph it ever met and a lot of V8s as well (for obvious reasons). Always interested in hearing about classic V8s though.
A matching numbered k code's premium throughout the years proves that it has a history of being much loved. MUCH LOVED. In fact I would say it was the most loved of the small blocks.
Being a mopar guy my street weapon of choice was a 69 dart 340 4 spd, Some suspension work, ignition & fuel system tweaking mid to low 13's, Add headers, camshaft, gears, mid to low 12's. mine ate quite a few big blocks, got beat by a few as well, The fun days :)
Had a 1969 swinger with a 426 hemi , and a 4 speed , built for drag racers ,from the factory Dad had connections and I got one,, God was that fun , wish i still had it
In 1971 when I was 10 I read about all these motors in Hot Rod and Popular Hot Rodding. For junior high school kids today, or even guys who might have grown up in the '90s, this is where they're going to learn about them. Clear and concise, no BS, this is a good video.
In the fall of 1968 I bought a new 1968 AMC AMX. It had the 343 with go package and automatic. Over the next few years, install Cyclone exhaust headers, Edelbrock R4B with a 9625 Carter, Crane Fireball cam with Rhodes lifters, 3.73 rear gears, rebuilt the Bog Warner model 11 trans with the internal model 12 parts. That little 343 was just a rocket, with best 1/4 time ever at 13.009 at 101.03 mph shifting at 5,500 rpm. That AMC 343 was the best engine ever, I'd take another 343 over the 390 or 401 smog engine.
Also if mentioning the Olds 350,the preceeding 330 probably was slightly stronger,having a more expensive forged crankshaft instead of the cast one in the 350,believe the first "4 4 2" used a version of the 330
I guess it depends on which generation you belong to. All these engines were very well known when I was starting to drive in the '60s. I knew most of those specs from memory. None of these engines is 'unknown' to any serious performance guy.
They were still well known in the '80s when I started to drive. Yeah, the 340 might be "overlooked" but they're all well known. The 271 HP K-code 289 and the 327 are downright legendary.
These should not be called Unknown. Maybe overlooked? Or short lived? Not one of these motors is that unheard of, unless you have no knowledge of old cars at all, at which point, you probably wouldn’t care about this anyway.
I had a '66 Buick Wildcat GS when I was a teen, it came with the Super Wildcat 465 with dual 4BBL Carter AFB carburetors as a factory-installed option. The engine was coded "MZ". That car was a BEAST! Also had a Dart with a 340, and it had perfect power to weight ratio. I miss those days.
I had a 1965 Skylark GS convertible with a 2 speed powerglide, it would eat 396 Chevelle SS for lunch and a 454 vette. Nobody liked being beat by a quiet unimpressive 2 speed buick. This was a single 4bbl Wildcat 465
The 360, 390, and 401 are known, they just don't get the love (or maybe they do, I don't know. I'm just a cursory car guy). I often consider myself the "last to know" about many things, so if I know about it, it's not forgotten. Edit: Love the "humpster" Javelin. My favorite AMC car
The 413 and 426 Max Wedges weren't considered part of the muscle car era though. I disagree with that because in 64, you could get both of them in a 330 sedan, which would smoke a GTO.
Kevin - exactly right - not part of the muscle car era - because Mopar marketing didn't get there first - Pontiac did. When they finally caught-up they used their experience to produce great cars with 383 - 440 - 6 packs - hemi etc. Those early Mopars were everything a Muscle Car is EXCEPT without any identity.
Now the 302 Chev was an engine on this as it wasn't very popular in cars. Was that motor ever released by GM or is it like Michael said invented by hot rodders? I heard you could take a 454 and put a 396 crank in it to make a 427.
@@frankdracman3096 The 351 Boss Cleveland powered all De Tomaso Panteras from 1971 -1990 even when they were sourced from Australia when Ford stopped producing them in the US. I have a 500+hp Cleveland in my '72 Pantera. One of the best sounding engines ever!
@@frankdracman3096 Your Correct there was only one car sold with the Boss 351 engine stock it was a 1971 Boss 351 Mustang. What made it a Boss? a Solid lifter Cam Forged dome pistons for 11.7 to ! compression 4 bolt main block and an Aluminum intake manifold an da horrible 4300 Autolite Carb. The boss was under rated at 330 hp.
Very true. Im 40 now, & while i missed the first muscle car generation, i am glad that i am old enough to have experienced them, & lucky to have grown up with those who knew them & passed it on to me. I am that last generation just before it turned over into what it is now. I was just on that cusp, & so thankful that i landed on the true muscle car side. And now after years of building and custom in high-performance cars, while I can respect and love some of the new stuff oh, but I still absolutely love building & racing "old technology", & smoking the doors off of new technology.
Yeah dude please don't generalize...my generation has many "youngsters" like me... I'm a 34 year old millennial...my daily driver is a 2013 Ford Taurus SEL...my real car is a 1967 Ford Galaxie 500 Convertible with a 390FE +0.060" that I built last June. When I finished building the motor and having already fixed every other drivetrain, and steering/suspension issue the prior year, I locally broke in the engine with about 700mi then I road tripped it from Chicago to Salt Lake City UT and back. Even stopped when I noticed power loss with elevation gain to drop jets to accommodate for less atmospheric oxygen and reversed when I came back down. Older folks were dropping their jaws when they saw a "kid" changing jets on a 1450series Holley at a gas station.
You're not wrong, but a few of us younger folks (I'm only 33) appreciate big V8 engines. My first daily driver was a 77 LTD Landau coupe with a 400 and with only a valve timing tweak and bigger carburetor that thing crushed hondas all day long.
In 1975, I had a '69 Cougar, 351-W and close ratio 4-Speed toploader. That car would lift the front tires slamming second gear (@60 MPH which was the 6000 RPM shift point to 2nd!).
I can still change brake pads. That's about all. Oh, and oil and filters. Diagnostics?????????/ Hahahahahaha. DEALERSHIPS can't diagnose problems, even with their fancy schmancy computers.
Tom I agree with you, You take your car in for warranty work and they tell you they can't find what is wrong so Warranty don't cove it! They add a bunch of electronic nick knacks that they have no clue how to fix when they brake.
Cars are easier now, they are just different. You can hook up a computer and read all the sensors to figure stuff out pretty quickly, assuming you know what you are looking at. Dealership mechanics are stupid and don't know how to read the computer though. Part of this might be because manufacturers don't bother to write a proper repair manual anymore, but but a test drive with a good mechanic watching the sensors on a laptop can diagnose 90% of any engine or transmission problems any modern car might have.
That's for sure Don.. I helped my Dad rebuild his 66 Chevy II Super Sport. He drove it daily and raced on weekends. It started out with the 327/350hp engine, but blew out an oil ring at the drag strip. He worked 3 weeks chasing down all the parts he was seeking, but it paid huge dividends when he finished it. He found after market aluminum heads, 12 to 1 'pop up' pistons, a hydraulic Crane roller camshaft that would shake the morning dew off the hood idling., Hooker headers with cut outs to run street/strip. He changed to a double pumper spread bore Holley that I helped install at 10 years old. This was in 1977. The numbers didn't mean much at the time but he said it was putting out better than 450 hp. It would run in the low 12's at 130+ at times. He is gone now but I have the Chevy II all wrapped up in my barn as my retirement nest egg. In 10 years it should fetch 50K or better as the body hasn't a scratch on it. I crank it and drive it around the farm a couple hours each month.
I had a 1969 Dart GTS 340 4 speed and in 1974 out ran a brand new 454 auto Corvete in the quarter mile. Beat it by a nose. One of the best cars I ever owned.
Olds made their own version using a higher performance block that took 6 head bolts instead of 5 and Olds-looking wedge chamber heads instead of Buick semi-hemi chamber nailhead-looking heads... and only Olds offered it stock turbocharged... Rebco-Brabham also offered an OHC F1 racing version... Rover offered an improved Buick version with EFI... Jaguar expanded it to 12 cylinders with the same peculiar bore and stroke...
How about the 302 Cleveland? I'm guessing not too many Americans know about it. The 302 was a de-stroked 351 Cleveland that Ford only used in Australia. It was used in the XA, XB, and XC Ford Falcons that were produced from 1972 to 1978, and other Ford cars too. Or, how about the Hemi Six Packs that were used in the Australian Chrysler Valiant Chargers? They were Slant-6 engines originally designed for American trucks. In 1972 The E49 Valiant Charger put out over 300 HP with a 265 ci slant-6. The Muscle Car Era not only included the United States, but also Australia, and cars that were also shipped to New Zealand, and South Africa. They were made by Ford, Chrysler, and Holden (GM).
@@ZAKAR777 that is not the reason the Cleveland stopped being produced in the USA. It was emissions. The Cleveland was a small block with big block performance. It was so good the Australians kept using the Cleveland and was a strong performer and much sort after motor in their vehicles for many years after the US had stopped.
in 1968 Mom had a 1965 Olds F-85 four door with a 330 automatic in it. I have NEVER known a car that would smoke tires like that car did, including my '68 Roadrunner. I adored that car. That engine will forever be on my personal "Least Appreciated Engine" list.
302 Chevy V8 in the late sixties Z28. It super impressed me when I read the test in Road&Track way back when. The whole Z28 Package was really impressive. Part's bin engineering at it best.
To certain people these engines could be unknown. I saw a kid listening to the radio and he said he loved this new song on the radio. It was the Eagles. I told him that wasn't knew, it actually came out in the 70's. He was bummed, he thought it was new because he'd never heard it. So if you know these engines great, but I bet some of the younger generation that wasn't there will not be aware of some of these engines.
@Stealth Customs the 401s also had steel cranks and rods from factory. something about having tooling left from the 390s it was easier to just keep making them that way. I have a 401 im currently trying to rebuild
Another overlooked engine with plenty of potential was the all aluminum 215 buick cubic inch engine, it's dimensions were a perfect cube in length and width ,and had power all out of its size
I had a 1969 Plymouth GTX with a 440 Special. Factory headers, Carter AVS carb and I put Thrush lake pipes on it. Cops followed me every time I got on the road. Speedometer registered 150 mph. Never had it more than 135 though. Great car.
@@popples4973 Thanks for the reply. Yeah, it sure was. It would sit down with both tires burning if I slammed the peddle and not move until I backed off. It also would rip the engine mount off on one side when I did that. Plymouth put out a modification on the problem by installing steel cables to the mounts. This car was straight from the factory that way. Wish I had it back. Lots of stories about it...lol
The 413! "Little old lady from Pasadena", in her red super stock Dodge, was "the terror of Colorado Blvd". Was main street near me in Glendale, CA, back in the day when many of these engines were new!
W31 had high performance heads . Engine was balanced and blue printed. They did not share the same heads as the other 350’s. You could not get a w31 with power brakes because of the cam you could not have have enough boost
I had a 62 Fuelie Vette with all the RPOs... 327 solid lifters, 360 HP, Borg Warner T-40 4 speed, positrac rear... the thing was dangerous... 0-60 in 5.9
Good coverage! This helps educate us to "lost 45s'"as they say in the vinyl records songs. Many of us need to think outside the box as there are many outstanding things that need to be brought to our attention. Good work!
None of these motors should be classified as "unknown"- they were all very popular motors. If you want an impressive unknown motor from 65-71, the best example without a second thought would be the Boss 351c. Only 1806 Boss 351 Mustangs were made in 1971 and there wasn't a small block motor built by anybody that made more HP than the Boss 351c. The Boss 351 Mustang ran 13.8's right off the showroom floor which was faster than most big blocks from that era.
1SqueakyWheel Old cop cars of that era...1970 Ford Custom and LTD 4 door models...the original ‘interceptors’! They had those funny little zippers inside on the roof to cover up the old bubblegum machine wiring. Had one as a kid...I believe it caught fire..sad. 🙁
Years ago I met a guy who owned two 70 Mustangs with the 351C motors. I was a 289-302 Ford guy and knew those motors pretty well as I owned early Mustangs. He was rebuilding one and I saw the heads. The ports and valves were huge! They looked like 428cj race ported heads. I've never seen ports and valves like that on a small block factory motor. After he finished the motor with several tweeks, intake, carb, cam, ignition, headers etc. he had it dyno checked. 470hp normally aspirated on pump premium. The 351C was an animal! Imagine what one could produce with today's supercharger technology. I'm guessing maybe over 800hp.
The 351 Cleveland is/was well known. A lesser known super engine from Ford is the SOHC. Re: the NO CLEVELANDS comment, blame it on the fact that the Cleveland isn't a small block. The Windsor is.
LOVE PONTIAC! Still have a '67 GP with a 428ho, 4speed, Hurst shifter, munci tranny. All power, and a convertible. Best of all, all original, 2nd family owner. And it's regimental red instead of the greens and other colors back then. Also have a 67 GP with a 400 slap stick automatic. 360 hp. And recently acquired a 65 2 + 2 421 tripower. Getting engine rebuilt as it was pulled(an old man owned it. Passed away during rebuild process)It does have the cast iron heads like the convertible. Going to switch it to fuel injection and drag race it. This old woman still LOVES horsepower and TORQUE!! LOL
I put a 300hp 327 in a 67 Skylark. I did slight mods to the heads, Edelbrock intake, Holley 750, quality headers, with a Muncie Rock Crusher, 373 rear, and it was quick. One of my favorite cars ever. Drove nice, I put 80's Dodge Shelby buckets, and it sat nice. I wish I had it now.
@@jeffcampbell2710 can you tell me what makes a rock crusher a rock crusher without google and yes a rock crusher was rare in the 60s and 70s but like the old saying goes every Muncie 4 speed is a rock crusher all 327s came out of a vette all 12 bolts are posi traction and the fish that got away was huge so I guess you had rock crusher as of now I have 3 Muncie 4 speeds 1 m21 and 2 m20s of which one is a rare 26 spline input but not a rock crusher
I've been in an early '70s 340 Challenger when it pulled the front tires off the ground. Granted driver had to double tap the throttle but it had the front off the ground a good ten feet. It was a stock car purchased for basic transportation and not modified.
….had the front off the ground a good ten feet?? Probably should read: ….had the front off the ground FOR a good ten feet… The original sentence is indicating that the front end was ten feet off the ground. The correction indicates that for 10 feet, the front end was off the ground. Have a bitchin weekend, bromeister.
Incidently the Chrysler 318 truck blocks were fitted with forged crankshafts, at least here in Australia. I would agree thart the 273, 318 and 340 small blocks were very robust and highly modifiable for real performance and with their weight advantage over big blocks almost always outhandled same on winding roads. In the same vein the Ford 289 hipo and 302 Boss were very good performing lightweights.
The 350 Pontiac HO with the #48 (RAIII) heads and the RA cam. Those heads made all the difference, and in the little Nova based 74 GTO HO was torquey as any 350. Many got blown up. I had a 70 LeMans Sport with a 350HO it blew up, but I bought it and put an RA IV in. That was a motor. But the 350HO with the 48 heads was pretty good!
Just one bit here, generally the 71 and 72 model engines had little if no tuning change, only the change from SAE Gross to SAE Net. Gross was at the flywheel with no accessories, could even be a different carb and open exhaust manifolds. SAE Net was measured with the individual car's accessories and exhaust at the rear of the transmission. The 72 Ford 302 made the exact same power as the 71. The 74 302 in my Comet was rated at 143hp, when in reality the biggest difference was the compression ratio had been lowered 1 point vs the 71 model. The camshaft had been retarded by 4 degrees, however, that is sometimes done by broke mechanics trying to get a little more RPM out of an engine. It moves the torque peak and total RPM range up about 500 RPM. People get that wrong all the time, I'd expect a video talking about "little known engines" to know better than that. Also, as said before me, if you didn't know about most of these engines then you're not much of a gearhead.
Michael Kapela I have one waiting for a restoration of a 67 Cutlass. I also owned one in the 70s. The engine is actually almost 50 lbs lighter than a 350 SB, and has better performance.
The 330 itself was no slouch. Friend of mine had a 66 442 badged, but most likely a 2 door Cutlass Clone that had a powerglide, and a 3.90 posi rear end. The 330 was a 2bbl. It would bark the back tires at will romping the gas 4 to 5 times. Didn't have a tach, but would still do 130, so it must have reved fairly high.
@@danielhiggins8798 Believe it had better performance (more top rpm) but think it actually weighed as much as the (gasoline)350,possibly had slightly heavier crankcase webbing. (the much later produced Diesel conversions weighed more but didn't move so well)
My buddy had a 66 mustang gt with that 289 engine and I had a 70 GTO and we lined up and he gave me a run all the way up to about 60mph. I was shocked how quick that little 289 was. I also raced a Duster 340 and lost. But on the flip side I beat so many big block Chevy and 440 molars. Even a V8 Vega.
I’ve watched this video a few times and it seems to be edited more every time. I’m sure he mentioned the 350 HO beating up on 396 chevys the first time I watched it and there’s a gap in the audio at 6:14.
I've always loved that small Chrysler V-8! Always said that the 318 was the Slant-Six of eight-cylinders... A Challenger with just the TWO-barrel 318 was amazingly quick AND economical. Then, a buddy at the car-wash had a 340-Six-Pack with the pistol-grip 4-speed. WHOOP! I just hope that Alex held onto that metallic green beauty...
One of my all time favorite engines was the General Mayhem’s 302 in the Z28’s of ‘69. Similar to the Boss 302 ( both made for homologation in Trans Am , 5.0 l ) Very hi revving engines with a beautiful sound. As far as factory sound is concerned, same applies to Dodge/Chrysler 340 Swingers. Dem were de days!
Yep sir everyone thinks ford when it's a 302 Cid. What do u think. What's the worst v8 I think the gm 268 Cid it might make 100 hp lol and ate oil sipping on gas late mid 70s to mid 80s all these auto's sucked but people with brain 🧠 could overcome bad metallurgy problems and make any motor purr and rip
A 1957 Corvette with the fuel injected 283 would do 0-60 in 5.7 seconds and top out at 135 MPH. The 283 was built in various forms from 1957 through 1967. In a small car like a Chevy Nova, Performance was good. On the tires available in the sixties and seventies it was hard to hook up most big blocks off the line, and a potent small block would win a lot of stop light drags, especially if the next light was only a few hundred feet away.
Fred and Debra MacDonald Exactly...that's why magazine articles never showed big block potential..slicks and some rear axle control would take 1 1/2 to 2 sec. off a big block's time..headers would add 50 or more hp..
Speaking of off the line, my little (180hp) 3L early 80's 911 can walk most any F Body for 100 feet because of rear weight bias. Then I pray for that short stop light cause after, the party's over.
I had a 1967 Buick Skylark 4dr which came with a 340-cubic-inch-displacement V8 engine using a Rochester 2-barrel carburetor and producing 220 hp (160 kW) at 4400 rpm. Coupled with a 2 speed power glide transmission, it was rather quick on the line.
In all fairness, the K-code HiPo Ford 289 was legendary from '63-'66, and was only 'overlooked' in 1967 when you could get a big block 390 in the Mustang, and 428 Police Interceptor in the Shelby. That year, only 472 Mustangs were ordered with the K-code.
No they werent. Maybe if you did a bunch of modifications to them like a bigger carburetor, a more aggressive camshaft, and headers A bone stock BOSS 429 was a low 14 second car. Stock 426 Hemi Mopar's routinely ran low to mid 13's in the 1/4 mile. 428 CJ Mustang's clicked off quicker 1/4 mile times than the stock BOSS 429's did. Watch the TH-cam video called 10 Quickest Cars of 1970. The BOSS 429 wasn't even in the top 10. A 70 Torino Cobra 429 SCJ was #9 but that was the only Ford that made the top 10. It was all 426 Hemi and 440/6 Mopar's, an LS6 Chevelle, and a Buick GSX 455 Stage 1
A friend of mine was a motorhead back in high school - he worked at AAA in the summers and saved for a 1971 Plymouth Duster 340. It had the 3-speed automatic on the floor. All he did was have the carb reworked, little hotter cam and headers. From a rolling start at around 10 mph there wasn't a whole lot in suburbia that could beat it.
I gave my 66 charger with a big 318 the dang thing wont die he starts it once a year to keep the rods oiled, after warm up still runs strong. Just don't make them like they used to. Good vid, thanks for the memories!
Just subscribed to your channel. I like your style and knowledge. Was wondering what your thoughts were on some of the small block V8 engines that were shipped to Australia like the 351 V8 Cleveland? An engine popular and highly praised by us Aussie rev heads as it was used in our championship V8 muscle race car the Ford Falcon XY GTHO back in 1971 and it is now a car that sells for over a million dollars now in Australia and that engine was available to us as the highest stock V8 in our large Fords up until 1969-81. Any thoughts?
Also remember if we're talking about lesser known V8's the Australian only built Cleveland 302 was the 3 inch stroke version of the Cleveland 351 and had 53 cc combustion chambered heads, when these heads are bolted (direct fit) to a 351C the compression ratio jumps to close to 11:1 and although requiring 100/130 octane Avgas provides an easy 330 hp with the appropriate cam. Incidently later Cleveland blocks were cast in the Gelong casting plant here in Ausrralia and are a thickwall block unlike the USA thinwall blocks. The 302 Cleveland was fitted with a 4 barrel Carter Thermoquad (750 cfm ) in later Ford Falcon models and cammed correctly using oil restrictors to keep better oil pressure on the crankshaft bearings a ( a known Cleveland design fault ) on higher revving engines the 302 would rev very nicely.
This to me is like looking at jewelry or fine art. This is the luster every gearhead desires. Let's not forget those early Impalas powered by those 409 gear jammin down the Dragstrip or the Cobrajet Torinos making big power at the same drags.
K code 289 is legendary among first generation mustang collectors. Those cars (that still have original engine) command the best prices of all early, non Shelby mustangs
Slight error on the Ford 289 HP engine: the carburetor was an Autolite of about 470 cfm. The Shelby GT350 engine rated at 306 hp however, did sport a 600 cfm Holley carburetor.
Now the shelby R version was a runner. Added on a decent carb, an excellent dual plane aluminum intake and tri Y headers to the K for the standard GT350. The R also had a really good performing LeMans cam. That car is a 12 second drag car with gears and slicks.
Yes. That and pronouncing era as error. I always wanted a 4-4-2. My first car was a '73 Toronado 455. It weighed 6000 lbs, but once you got it rolling it was amazingly quick and would top out at 130 mph. Wouldn't turn or stop, though, and at 7 mpg too expensive to drive. Modern cars are better, but I miss that big V8 thunder.
Will Wood-I had a '67 Barracuda fastback 4 speed manual with the 273 Commando stock but put a Holly 500 2 barrel and traction bars and since it was only about 2,900 Lb.s it was a very strong runner and could easily pull away from big blocks off the line!
While these are obscure they're quite forgotten. The 390 GTA from the '67 Fairlane and the 427 ford "cammer" that was outlawed. The cammer was the first dual overhead cam big block by ford. The GTA Fairlane would clock 100 mph on street tires in the 1/4 and that was '67 tires. On a side note nobody that raced in the '70's forgot the 340. They were ultra quick in light cars.
The 350 Pontiac V8 was very underrated and unappreciated and was definitely overshadowed by the 400. I've seen a few 350 equiped 1968 to 1969 firebirds and they took off the line very respectfully. 😇
I must be getting old. I saw all these engines when they were new.
You and me both!
... and I owned, drove, and raced many of them ... the most impressive to me was the LS-6 Crate engine I put into my Toyota Land Cruiser, daily driver and weekend Sand Dragger. (that was an engine I learned about when they first came out from a friend in the business, took a while before they became known by most and it was their high performance despite their being so under-rated from the Factory).
Your right, your old. Me too. We saw them new.
LOL...me too.
TH-cam look
Studebaker 289 R2 and R3 were amazing giant killers, Amc 390, Chrysler Super Commando 273 (275hp), Pontiac W53 Sprint Six, Lots of cool engines.
+1 on the 273 V8. We had a 65 Dodge Dart GT with that motor that consistently outran 351 Mustangs. I'd also add the (Tornado) 343 V8 from AMC. I bought a 1968 Javelin SST with this motor and it had 186,000 miles on it at the time. My girlfriend at the time had a 1980 Pontiac Turbo Trans-Am. On the way home from having a stereo installed she decided to drag race me from a red light. I expected to lose on top end, but I was wrong. The Javelin just destroyed her. She didn't speak to me for 3 days because she was pissed a car I bought for $975.00 beat her $18,000 Trans- Am. I just laughed and said "you're the one that started the race".
@@martyburke2478 You both were lucky there were no cops hiding in their hiding spot.
@@martyburke2478 I remember those AMC car. Buddy of mine in auto mechanics trade school in high school had a black one 4 speed, 390 with a posi track in the rear. Man that thing was wicked! Getting down on it between 2nd and 3rd gear shift it would blow the dip stick for the oil out of the tube and make a ping noise as it hit the hood. Lots of power that car had.
That Tempest Lemans ran a transaxle and should have been promoted. It was unique. Dandahermit.
Also the Studebaker Golden Hawk was a total sleeper and blew the doors off a lotta shocked Poneys and Chevelle. Plus I thought it was Kool looking. Dandahermit
I guess you had to have been there to realize how popular all of these engines were at the time.
Exactly
From what I heard about the 327 is the reason they stopped making that particular motor is that it never blew up. It was that well designed of a motor.
I had 4 of them best motor ever made
Pretty much the same problem with the 283s
Around 40 years ago,I installed a modified L-79 into the back seat of a `66 Corvair Corsa, that was a sleeper that embarrassed a lot of Chevelles, Goats, Boss Mustangs, Road Runners, you name it....Another "forgotten" engine was AMC`s 390, IIRC somewhere around 320 HP, a neighbor of mine had an AMX with that engine, and a 4-speed trans. It was a quick little car....
The LAPD replaced its Plymouth Belvederes with AMC Matadors in the early '70's because the Matadors not only handled better than the Plymouths, but the AMC 401 actually performed better than the 383 Plymouth engines. Every PD that bought the Matadors really liked them, but the president of AMC did not think that AMC was making enough on the police cruisers and cancelled the lineup after 3 years.
I know your post is a few years old but I thought I'd add this. I could not get the secondaries to open on my 340 71 duster. Tried everything. Then I swapped it for a double pumper holley, 780 I believe. Talk about wake an engine up ! I live in a small town in Eastern Canada. There was no internet back then and speed parts were non existence . I embarrassed every Ford and Chevy to the point they would no longer race me. Thanks for listening.
I’ve had several 289 hipo’s and still think their great engines plus I love the exhaust sound of these motors much more the the 302’s that replaced them.
The K-code was a beast. My father had a 66 convertible with the K-code. His favorite car of all time.
@@radioguy1620 Except he sold it in the mid 70s for pennies. Easy come easy go.
In my younger years, 79-80, I dropped a 289 HO 4 barrel in a 71 2door Maverick, automatic tranny. Changed the rear-end to posi-track. Wanted to run headers, but the engine was so tight had to use stock exhaust with cherry bombs. Talk about a sleeper car ! Got me some extra gas and beer money several times
289 ford sb K code and chevy 283 sb power pack two of the best V8s ever built in my very humble opinion I've owned both and ran them very hard they both stayed together
I agree those two engines were great
Im only 43 yrs old but I'm very familiar with every one of these engines due to growing up in my grandfather's junkyard during the late 70s- early 80s when mid 1960s to early 70s cars were still fairly common. Not one of these engines are unknown if you're a true car guy. Always really liked the Ford K-Code 289 and Mopar 340 small blocks, especially the 65 Mustang Shelby GT350 powered by a 306 hp version of the K-Code 289 and the 1970 Plymouth AAR Cuda/Dodge Challenger T/A powered by the 340 Six Barrel. Also loved the 340 powered Plymouth Duster/ Dodge Dart/ Dodge Demon.....maybe the best performance bargain of the entire muscle car era
Well I am 46 and these engines are all very easy to work on. Just a carb is the main thing. Yet I know a guy that makes carbs for drag racing and a lot of drag racers use his carbs either Turbo, Pro/Supercharged or nitrous. His car nitrous with his carb is a 5.80 car. Dude knows his stuff.
I was selling Pontiacs in 69 and had a 350 HO 4spd Custom S for a demonstrator. We ordered it to fight the Roadrunner price advantage over the GTO. It did the job but the dealer wouldn't let us order them for inventory. They had to be sold then ordered so we only sold 6-7 that year. What a shame.
Another motor that isn't mention is the R4 Studebaker supercharged 289 in the Avanti...the tiny all fiberglass body though did make for a very interesting car and a supercharged V8 in a car slightly smaller than a modern Honda Civic (that weight even less) was an insane combination!!
Motors are electric
Who çares, thumper ?
I recall reading that Andy Granatelli drove a twin-supercharged R4 Avanti from 0 to 171 mph in 60 seconds flat on the Bonneville Salt Flats in 1964... but don't quote me on this. I was just a small child at the time...
Go argue with Steppenwolf or something,@@Thumper68 . It's not like this confuses anyone but you.
@@BrianMitchem I’m not confused at all. Perhaps learn about the word motor. Not my fault society doesn’t understand its original meaning and why it was used in auto makers names etc.
None of these engine are unknown or forgotten to the most casual car guys.
Larry Smith right they are still common engines all except the 289
mike west The 289 is no longer common knowledge? Makes me wonder what folks would think of my 272.
that was because they were the worst engines ford ever produced. I put 5 of them into a 56 F- 100, everyone of them went bad.
You're a bad builder then troop. The 289 was one of the most bulletproof small blocks ever made. Unless you know more than Carroll Shelby. My guess is you DON'T.
Your right Tom, and most don't know a small block Ford can be bored and stroked to 460 cid. Drop that in your 66 Fairlane 4-door.....
65 Buick 300 nailhead;
67 Ford 289(4bbl, Falcon Futura)
70 Ford 302(Mercury Comet)
74 Buick 350;
79 Pontiac 301(2bbl Grand Prix and 4bbl Regal):
Not necessarily rare or unheard of, but all were vehicles I had that performed exceptionally well without ANY modifications; and they were easy to work on. The only modifcation exception was the Comet, which had dual exhaust.
Another interesting car I owned was a 1980 Triumph TR7 with a Buick 231 under the hood and a 5 speed manual transmission. It outperformed every other Triumph it ever met and a lot of V8s as well (for obvious reasons).
Always interested in hearing about classic V8s though.
A matching numbered k code's premium throughout the years proves that it has a history of being much loved. MUCH LOVED. In fact I would say it was the most loved of the small blocks.
Being a mopar guy my street weapon of choice was a 69 dart 340 4 spd, Some suspension work, ignition & fuel system tweaking mid to low 13's, Add headers, camshaft, gears, mid to low 12's. mine ate quite a few big blocks, got beat by a few as well, The fun days :)
Had a 340 4 speed Barracuda and my greatest regret is selling it.
Had a 1969 swinger with a 426 hemi , and a 4 speed , built for drag racers ,from the factory Dad had connections and I got one,, God was that fun , wish i still had it
In 1971 when I was 10 I read about all these motors in Hot Rod and Popular Hot Rodding. For junior high school kids today, or even guys who might have grown up in the '90s, this is where they're going to learn about them. Clear and concise, no BS, this is a good video.
How about the AMC 390. I had a 70 Javelin with a stock 390 (325hp) 4 speed and 3.54 rear gear and it was very fast and powerful.
1vrsc: These forgotten engines are truly fantastic! AMC got very competitive in the racing business.
Drove a 70 AMX 390 4 speed manual that was the fastest I ever drove before I was 21!
In the fall of 1968 I bought a new 1968 AMC AMX. It had the 343 with go package and automatic. Over the next few years, install Cyclone exhaust headers, Edelbrock R4B with a 9625 Carter, Crane Fireball cam with Rhodes lifters, 3.73 rear gears, rebuilt the Bog Warner model 11 trans with the internal model 12 parts. That little 343 was just a rocket, with best 1/4 time ever at 13.009 at 101.03 mph shifting at 5,500 rpm. That AMC 343 was the best engine ever, I'd take another 343 over the 390 or 401 smog engine.
The most glaring omission is the 425 Super Rocket Olds motor on the first year Toronado.
Agree. A powerhouse.
Yes! Totally!
Also if mentioning the Olds 350,the preceeding 330 probably was slightly stronger,having a more expensive forged crankshaft instead of the cast one in the 350,believe the first "4 4 2" used a version of the 330
@@davidpowell3347 Yes it did, but only for that one year.
Yes Sir you got that right
I guess it depends on which generation you belong to. All these engines were very well known when I was starting to drive in the '60s. I knew most of those specs from memory. None of these engines is 'unknown' to any serious performance guy.
Same here.
Totally agree, this guy is an idiot.
They were still well known in the '80s when I started to drive. Yeah, the 340 might be "overlooked" but they're all well known. The 271 HP K-code 289 and the 327 are downright legendary.
Maybe the buick aluminum v8 in rover cars.
Sure they may not be unknown to gearheads but the have been overlooked by time and are rarely heard of by the general populace
These should not be called Unknown. Maybe overlooked? Or short lived? Not one of these motors is that unheard of, unless you have no knowledge of old cars at all, at which point, you probably wouldn’t care about this anyway.
Looking at those .motors under the hood, my first thought wasn't speed, it was "wow, look at how easy it was to change the thermostat!".
or set the point gap/timing !
The 327 l79 was one of the best street motors ever made.
They were one of the fastest anyway in a light car
Mini rat!
I had a '66 Buick Wildcat GS when I was a teen, it came with the Super Wildcat 465 with dual 4BBL Carter AFB carburetors as a factory-installed option. The engine was coded "MZ". That car was a BEAST! Also had a Dart with a 340, and it had perfect power to weight ratio. I miss those days.
Buick 465 was a 425 cube motor. It was called a 465 for the torque it made. Before that they had the 445, which was a 401 making 445 ft lbs of torque.
I had a 1965 Skylark GS convertible with a 2 speed powerglide, it would eat 396 Chevelle SS for lunch and a 454 vette. Nobody liked being beat by a quiet unimpressive 2 speed buick. This was a single 4bbl Wildcat 465
I had a Oldsmobile with 425 high compression Pistons it was a beast
What about the 1970 340 horse 390 AMC engine?.....very underrated, as well
Yes, I remember the Javelin AMX... my step brother had a purple one!
390 ford was fun
The 360, 390, and 401 are known, they just don't get the love (or maybe they do, I don't know. I'm just a cursory car guy). I often consider myself the "last to know" about many things, so if I know about it, it's not forgotten.
Edit: Love the "humpster" Javelin. My favorite AMC car
That’s because AMC’s cars were uninspiring
@@djquinn11 lol yeah there were a lot of uninspired 396 Chevelle's that were looking at my tail lights in my 390 AMX 4 Speed when I was a kid.
Buick put 401's (with factory dual 4-barrels) in Rivieras,and were real powerful.
Actually, they were 425’s. The Skylark Gran Sport got the single 4bbl 401. Got one sitting in my garage.
In lighter body 401 25 mean not many ever made move!
That's my BABY
My first car was a 1966 Galaxy 500 had a 289. Loved that engine. So easy to work on. Had a friend who put 302 heads on his 289.
What about the 429 crank in the 390 engine that was a Beast or the 360 ford nobody wanted I loved mine it ran very well
You brought back a LOT of memories! I enjoyed it much. Thanks!
Nice ride down memory lane...that 327 was my choice for my '56 Bel Air ...my first car. Would love to duplicate that set-up today.
These are not rare unheard of muscle car engines these are the mainstream muscle car engines every car guy loves
And gals :-)
I had a girl friend once that never heard of any of these engines, but then she was not into cars!
Have to be some mention of the 413 Mopar mill.. a Legend
The 413 and 426 Max Wedges weren't considered part of the muscle car era though. I disagree with that because in 64, you could get both of them in a 330 sedan, which would smoke a GTO.
413's was junk.
better than any Chev mill same era
stumpgrinder1000 , don't think so, the 409 would eat them up
Kevin - exactly right - not part of the muscle car era - because Mopar marketing didn't get there first - Pontiac did. When they finally caught-up they used their experience to produce great cars with 383 - 440 - 6 packs - hemi etc. Those early Mopars were everything a Muscle Car is EXCEPT without any identity.
I grew up in my dad’s service station. I’m blessed to have seen all of these classic hi po V-8s
the 302 Z-28 was an awesome car, as I had one of them, along with the SS396 Chevelle, loved them both
Hot rodders invented that engine. It was a 327 block with a 283 crank and rods. Capable of 8000 rpms with forged pistons and solid lifter cam
Now the 302 Chev was an engine on this as it wasn't very popular in cars. Was that motor ever released by GM or is it like Michael said invented by hot rodders?
I heard you could take a 454 and put a 396 crank in it to make a 427.
I kept waiting for the Ford 351 Cleveland Boss.
What makes a small block motor a "Boss" was the inclusion of Cleveland heads on a Windsor block. The Cleveland block already had Cleveland heads.
There was a boss 351 in the 70s.
@@frankdracman3096 The 351 Boss Cleveland powered all De Tomaso Panteras from 1971 -1990 even when they were sourced from Australia when Ford stopped producing them in the US. I have a 500+hp Cleveland in my '72 Pantera. One of the best sounding engines ever!
@@tedgeldberg6498 the Pantera used a regular 351 Cleveland,
a powerhouse in it's own right. I tried to buy a early small bumper Pantera in the 80's.
@@frankdracman3096 Your Correct there was only one car sold with the Boss 351 engine stock it was a 1971 Boss 351 Mustang. What made it a Boss? a Solid lifter Cam Forged dome pistons for 11.7 to ! compression 4 bolt main block and an Aluminum intake manifold an da horrible 4300 Autolite Carb. The boss was under rated at 330 hp.
If I remember right Grumpy Jenkens made pro stock 327’s make 500 HP in the mid seventy’s.
considering some were factory.rated.at.375 hp so adding another 125.hp wasnt a big deal
Yea the young people today don't know what they missed. To take a car and make it an extension of yourself.
Hi, I'm 27 and, yeah no, don't gatekeep car culture, dude.
Donald Grant uhhh, plenty of people still do that every day.....
Very true. Im 40 now, & while i missed the first muscle car generation, i am glad that i am old enough to have experienced them, & lucky to have grown up with those who knew them & passed it on to me. I am that last generation just before it turned over into what it is now. I was just on that cusp, & so thankful that i landed on the true muscle car side. And now after years of building and custom in high-performance cars, while I can respect and love some of the new stuff oh, but I still absolutely love building & racing "old technology", & smoking the doors off of new technology.
Yeah dude please don't generalize...my generation has many "youngsters" like me... I'm a 34 year old millennial...my daily driver is a 2013 Ford Taurus SEL...my real car is a 1967 Ford Galaxie 500 Convertible with a 390FE +0.060" that I built last June.
When I finished building the motor and having already fixed every other drivetrain, and steering/suspension issue the prior year, I locally broke in the engine with about 700mi then I road tripped it from Chicago to Salt Lake City UT and back. Even stopped when I noticed power loss with elevation gain to drop jets to accommodate for less atmospheric oxygen and reversed when I came back down. Older folks were dropping their jaws when they saw a "kid" changing jets on a 1450series Holley at a gas station.
You're not wrong, but a few of us younger folks (I'm only 33) appreciate big V8 engines. My first daily driver was a 77 LTD Landau coupe with a 400 and with only a valve timing tweak and bigger carburetor that thing crushed hondas all day long.
The 351 Windsor we had in our 69’ Cougar was awesome for what it was. Not the fastest, but fun to drive
In 1975, I had a '69 Cougar, 351-W and close ratio 4-Speed toploader. That car would lift the front tires slamming second gear (@60 MPH which was the 6000 RPM shift point to 2nd!).
i sure miss those days. you can't even work on a car today
I can still change brake pads. That's about all. Oh, and oil and filters. Diagnostics?????????/ Hahahahahaha. DEALERSHIPS can't diagnose problems, even with their fancy schmancy computers.
Tom I agree with you, You take your car in for warranty work and they tell you they can't find what is wrong so Warranty don't cove it!
They add a bunch of electronic nick knacks that they have no clue how to fix when they brake.
Cars are easier now, they are just different. You can hook up a computer and read all the sensors to figure stuff out pretty quickly, assuming you know what you are looking at. Dealership mechanics are stupid and don't know how to read the computer though. Part of this might be because manufacturers don't bother to write a proper repair manual anymore, but but a test drive with a good mechanic watching the sensors on a laptop can diagnose 90% of any engine or transmission problems any modern car might have.
That's for sure Don.. I helped my Dad rebuild his 66 Chevy II Super Sport. He drove it daily and raced on weekends.
It started out with the 327/350hp engine, but blew out an oil ring at the drag strip.
He worked 3 weeks chasing down all the parts he was seeking, but it paid huge dividends when he finished it.
He found after market aluminum heads, 12 to 1 'pop up' pistons, a hydraulic Crane roller camshaft that would shake the morning dew off the hood idling., Hooker headers with cut outs to run street/strip. He changed to a double pumper spread bore Holley that I helped install at 10 years old. This was in 1977.
The numbers didn't mean much at the time but he said it was putting out better than 450 hp.
It would run in the low 12's at 130+ at times.
He is gone now but I have the Chevy II all wrapped up in my barn as my retirement nest egg.
In 10 years it should fetch 50K or better as the body hasn't a scratch on it.
I crank it and drive it around the farm a couple hours each month.
Unless you have a grand marquise like me =]
I had a 1969 Dart GTS 340 4 speed and in 1974 out ran a brand new 454 auto Corvete in the quarter mile. Beat it by a nose. One of the best cars I ever owned.
The most unknown V8 engine is the 62-63 turbocharged Oldsmobile Jetfire. YES! TURBO!
Not unknown... it's what I drove back in the day...
That was a Buick V8 (the 215)
Olds made their own version using a higher performance block that took 6 head bolts instead of 5 and Olds-looking wedge chamber heads instead of Buick semi-hemi chamber nailhead-looking heads... and only Olds offered it stock turbocharged... Rebco-Brabham also offered an OHC F1 racing version... Rover offered an improved Buick version with EFI... Jaguar expanded it to 12 cylinders with the same peculiar bore and stroke...
Mark, don't forget it also had water injection.
389 cid Pontiac?
How about the 302 Cleveland? I'm guessing not too many Americans know about it.
The 302 was a de-stroked 351 Cleveland that Ford only used in Australia. It was used in the XA, XB, and XC Ford Falcons that were produced from 1972 to 1978, and other Ford cars too.
Or, how about the Hemi Six Packs that were used in the Australian Chrysler Valiant Chargers? They were Slant-6 engines originally designed for American trucks. In 1972 The E49 Valiant Charger put out over 300 HP with a 265 ci slant-6.
The Muscle Car Era not only included the United States, but also Australia, and cars that were also shipped to New Zealand, and South Africa. They were made by Ford, Chrysler, and Holden (GM).
The 351 Windsor is lighter and faster so the Cleveland became a memory
@@ZAKAR777 Back in the day I had a friend that had a 73 LTD with a 351 Cleveland. That thing ran like a scalded ape...
chev 302 zap
@@ZAKAR777 that is not the reason the Cleveland stopped being produced in the USA. It was emissions. The Cleveland was a small block with big block performance. It was so good the Australians kept using the Cleveland and was a strong performer and much sort after motor in their vehicles for many years after the US had stopped.
Any Camaros in the land down under?
in 1968 Mom had a 1965 Olds F-85 four door with a 330 automatic in it. I have NEVER known a car that would smoke tires like that car did, including my '68 Roadrunner. I adored that car. That engine will forever be on my personal "Least Appreciated Engine" list.
He missed the 360 HP 352 cubic inch engine in the 1960 Ford.
Maurice Evans that was the start of fords muscle the 61 390 solid lift with 3 deuces 401 hp.
302 Chevy V8 in the late sixties Z28. It super impressed me when I read the test in Road&Track way back when. The whole Z28 Package was really impressive. Part's bin engineering at it best.
I had a 1966 Ford Fairlane with a 289 k code it ran like a jewel. Had plenty of power. Truly in my opinion it is Ford's best overall motor
Agreed
Ford and Chevy should have kept the 289 and Chevy 283 around longer.
The small block for was Fords best engine ever that is why it was installed in Ford Cars for 40 years.
To certain people these engines could be unknown. I saw a kid listening to the radio and he said he loved this new song on the radio. It was the Eagles. I told him that wasn't knew, it actually came out in the 70's. He was bummed, he thought it was new because he'd never heard it. So if you know these engines great, but I bet some of the younger generation that wasn't there will not be aware of some of these engines.
Trust me, some of us are learning everyday. Out there catching up on some American engine history
bubba stephens sss
Hand them a rotors phone,lol
Rotary phone.
bubba stephens-bingo-not everybody is 74 like i am!!
66 Chevy 2 L79 was a nasty little sleeper, smoked many a big block.
Dry true!
Cool man!!!!
I have one just finished restoring it and going in my 66ss Chevelle!!! Plus I also have a DZ302 sb Chevy short block!!!!
I was hoping you would mention AMC's 290, 327, 360 and their 401.
The 360 was pretty nasty! They did well where I grew up.
@Stealth Customs my dad bought a 58 Ambassador wagon with the experimental 327 and it would really run
@Stealth Customs the 401s also had steel cranks and rods from factory. something about having tooling left from the 390s it was easier to just keep making them that way. I have a 401 im currently trying to rebuild
My 70 390 Javelin was awesome, slight mods bumped the hp to 425. Only thing i couldn't hang with was the big blocks like the 427 and 454's.
@Stealth Customs Corporation Yes, this Packard built 327 moved my '64 Ambassador quite nicely. It didn't have any GM V-8 parts in it.
Another overlooked engine with plenty of potential was the all aluminum 215 buick cubic inch engine, it's dimensions were a perfect cube in length and width ,and had power all out of its size
The turbo version ?
@@frankpeletz1818 I think so
I had a 1969 Plymouth GTX with a 440 Special. Factory headers, Carter AVS carb and I put Thrush lake pipes on it. Cops followed me every time I got on the road. Speedometer registered 150 mph. Never had it more than 135 though. Great car.
That is a extremely badass car. Definitely a muscle car I'd like to own.
@@popples4973 Thanks for the reply. Yeah, it sure was. It would sit down with both tires burning if I slammed the peddle and not move until I backed off. It also would rip the engine mount off on one side when I did that. Plymouth put out a modification on the problem by installing steel cables to the mounts. This car was straight from the factory that way. Wish I had it back. Lots of stories about it...lol
I had a 64 Plymouth sport furry 383 commando 4 speed. Incredible engine, it would not float out.13 thru the quarter
harry i had one to 383 4 barrel pushbutton automatic very fun mine was red on red cool car ..had that around 1989
The 413! "Little old lady from Pasadena", in her red super stock Dodge, was "the terror of Colorado Blvd". Was main street near me in Glendale, CA, back in the day when many of these engines were new!
u forgot about the Chevy 302 only came in the z28 camaro from 1967-69
this video is titled forgotten engines....everyone knows the 302 Z28
unknown I meant
well known race car engine
but now a days you talk about Chevys 302 and people go what? that's a ford motor...... I had it happen yesterday
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It shipped in the trunk along with the factory supplied headers.
Everyone and their mother knows about the 327sbc and 340sbm.
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327 chevy 2 stroke requires tcw3 tp survive like a scorpoinn snowmobile, poppe2 valved loop scavenged oil injected, just use tcw3 and forget about it
Thats true every mopar guy that respects sbms at all knows of them and respects them. The 318 is the unrespected and forgotten motor compared to it
And everyone knew of the 327 because it was a smaller 350
396 Chevy is largely forgotten but extremely respected on the street back in the day. The 396 Camaro was an awesome beast.
The 289 was a workhorse and delivered performance in lighter cars
W31 had high performance heads . Engine was balanced and blue printed. They did not share the same heads as the other 350’s. You could not get a w31 with power brakes because of the cam you could not have have enough boost
I had a 62 Fuelie Vette with all the RPOs... 327 solid lifters, 360 HP, Borg Warner T-40 4 speed, positrac rear... the thing was dangerous... 0-60 in 5.9
Good coverage! This helps educate us to "lost 45s'"as they say in the vinyl records songs. Many of us need to think outside the box as there are many outstanding things that need to be brought to our attention. Good work!
None of these motors should be classified as "unknown"- they were all very popular motors. If you want an impressive unknown motor from 65-71, the best example without a second thought would be the Boss 351c. Only 1806 Boss 351 Mustangs were made in 1971 and there wasn't a small block motor built by anybody that made more HP than the Boss 351c. The Boss 351 Mustang ran 13.8's right off the showroom floor which was faster than most big blocks from that era.
Yeah, the Cleveland was awesome. And hard to find too.
1SqueakyWheel Old cop cars of that era...1970 Ford Custom and LTD 4 door models...the original ‘interceptors’! They had those funny little zippers inside on the roof to cover up the old bubblegum machine wiring. Had one as a kid...I believe it caught fire..sad. 🙁
Years ago I met a guy who owned two 70 Mustangs with the 351C motors. I was a 289-302 Ford guy and knew those motors pretty well as I owned early Mustangs. He was rebuilding one and I saw the heads. The ports and valves were huge! They looked like 428cj race ported heads. I've never seen ports and valves like that on a small block factory motor. After he finished the motor with several tweeks, intake, carb, cam, ignition, headers etc. he had it dyno checked. 470hp normally aspirated on pump premium. The 351C was an animal! Imagine what one could produce with today's supercharger technology. I'm guessing maybe over 800hp.
The 351 Cleveland is/was well known. A lesser known super engine from Ford is the SOHC.
Re: the NO CLEVELANDS comment, blame it on the fact that the Cleveland isn't a small block. The Windsor is.
Don't forget the 343 AMC. Javelin
The 1969 Pontiac 350HO was basically a small bore version of the 400 Ram Air III.
LOVE PONTIAC! Still have a '67 GP with a 428ho, 4speed, Hurst shifter, munci tranny. All power, and a convertible. Best of all, all original, 2nd family owner. And it's regimental red instead of the greens and other colors back then. Also have a 67 GP with a 400 slap stick automatic. 360 hp. And recently acquired a 65 2 + 2 421 tripower. Getting engine rebuilt as it was pulled(an old man owned it. Passed away during rebuild process)It does have the cast iron heads like the convertible. Going to switch it to fuel injection and drag race it. This old woman still LOVES horsepower and TORQUE!! LOL
I put a 300hp 327 in a 67 Skylark. I did slight mods to the heads, Edelbrock intake, Holley 750, quality headers, with a Muncie Rock Crusher, 373 rear, and it was quick. One of my favorite cars ever. Drove nice, I put 80's Dodge Shelby buckets, and it sat nice. I wish I had it now.
I can believe everything except the rock crusher that was very rare transmission
@@insulman100 it's 100% true. But, it wasn't as rare in the 70's, early 80's. You only used a Saganaw in basic rides they was everywhere.
@@jeffcampbell2710 can you tell me what makes a rock crusher a rock crusher without google and yes a rock crusher was rare in the 60s and 70s but like the old saying goes every Muncie 4 speed is a rock crusher all 327s came out of a vette all 12 bolts are posi traction and the fish that got away was huge so I guess you had rock crusher as of now I have 3 Muncie 4 speeds 1 m21 and 2 m20s of which one is a rare 26 spline input but not a rock crusher
Should've had both of Chrysler 426 wedge motors, chevy 409, buicks 425 nailhead, Ford's 427SOHC, and Studebaker supercharged engine on this list
@David miorgan every engine on this list is pretty common all the ones I listed are hot engines that didn't have large prpduction numbers
425 Cadillac almost said 472 but to well known
Briggs & Stratton 3.5 is legendary
I guess I'm getting old,I've not only heard of all of them,I've had at least a version of all but 1 of them
I've been in an early '70s 340 Challenger when it pulled the front tires off the ground. Granted driver had to double tap the throttle but it had the front off the ground a good ten feet. It was a stock car purchased for basic transportation and not modified.
….had the front off the ground a good ten feet?? Probably should read: ….had the front off the ground FOR a good ten feet…
The original sentence is indicating that the front end was ten feet off the ground. The correction indicates that for 10 feet, the front end was off the ground. Have a bitchin weekend, bromeister.
The Chrysler 318 was one of their greatest engines. Even after they de-tuned it in '74.
Incidently the Chrysler 318 truck blocks were fitted with forged crankshafts, at least here in Australia.
I would agree thart the 273, 318 and 340 small blocks were very robust and highly modifiable for real performance and with their weight advantage over big blocks almost always outhandled same on winding roads. In the same vein the Ford 289 hipo and 302 Boss were very good performing lightweights.
The 350 Pontiac HO with the #48 (RAIII) heads and the RA cam. Those heads made all the difference, and in the little Nova based 74 GTO HO was torquey as any 350. Many got blown up. I had a 70 LeMans Sport with a 350HO it blew up, but I bought it and put an RA IV in. That was a motor. But the 350HO with the 48 heads was pretty good!
Just one bit here, generally the 71 and 72 model engines had little if no tuning change, only the change from SAE Gross to SAE Net. Gross was at the flywheel with no accessories, could even be a different carb and open exhaust manifolds.
SAE Net was measured with the individual car's accessories and exhaust at the rear of the transmission. The 72 Ford 302 made the exact same power as the 71. The 74 302 in my Comet was rated at 143hp, when in reality the biggest difference was the compression ratio had been lowered 1 point vs the 71 model. The camshaft had been retarded by 4 degrees, however, that is sometimes done by broke mechanics trying to get a little more RPM out of an engine. It moves the torque peak and total RPM range up about 500 RPM.
People get that wrong all the time, I'd expect a video talking about "little known engines" to know better than that.
Also, as said before me, if you didn't know about most of these engines then you're not much of a gearhead.
Oldsmobile 330 CID ultra high compression...
It was the motor that put the F85/Cutlass on the map
Michael Kapela I have one waiting for a restoration of a 67 Cutlass. I also owned one in the 70s. The engine is actually almost 50 lbs lighter than a 350 SB, and has better performance.
The 330 itself was no slouch. Friend of mine had a 66 442 badged, but most likely a 2 door Cutlass Clone that had a powerglide, and a 3.90 posi rear end. The 330 was a 2bbl. It would bark the back tires at will romping the gas 4 to 5 times. Didn't have a tach, but would still do 130, so it must have reved fairly high.
Threw a 330 in my 1967 442 after my 400 went South, even with 1 cylinder skipping, it was impressive, 320 hp.
I had a 65 F-85 olds
It had some serious rock& roll for a 330 cid
@@danielhiggins8798 Believe it had better performance (more top rpm) but think it actually weighed as much as the (gasoline)350,possibly had slightly heavier crankcase webbing. (the much later produced Diesel conversions weighed more but didn't move so well)
My buddy had a 66 mustang gt with that 289 engine and I had a 70 GTO and we lined up and he gave me a run all the way up to about 60mph. I was shocked how quick that little 289 was. I also raced a Duster 340 and lost. But on the flip side I beat so many big block Chevy and 440 molars. Even a V8 Vega.
This guy has the voice for silent movies.
It by
His voice brings on sleep
A great voice for print
Peter gluten???? Legendary cars car show????
I’ve watched this video a few times and it seems to be edited more every time. I’m sure he mentioned the 350 HO beating up on 396 chevys the first time I watched it and there’s a gap in the audio at 6:14.
Good review here, lots of details on the old school V8 muscle cars. Thanks for sharing .
I've always loved that small Chrysler V-8! Always said that the 318 was the Slant-Six of eight-cylinders... A Challenger with just the TWO-barrel 318 was amazingly quick AND economical. Then, a buddy at the car-wash had a 340-Six-Pack with the pistol-grip 4-speed. WHOOP!
I just hope that Alex held onto that metallic green beauty...
One of my all time favorite engines was the General Mayhem’s 302 in the Z28’s of ‘69.
Similar to the Boss 302 ( both made for homologation in Trans Am , 5.0 l )
Very hi revving engines with a beautiful sound.
As far as factory sound is concerned, same applies to Dodge/Chrysler 340 Swingers.
Dem were de days!
DZ302 was in all first generation z/28s
Yep sir everyone thinks ford when it's a 302 Cid. What do u think. What's the worst v8 I think the gm 268 Cid it might make 100 hp lol and ate oil sipping on gas late mid 70s to mid 80s all these auto's sucked but people with brain 🧠 could overcome bad metallurgy problems and make any motor purr and rip
A 1957 Corvette with the fuel injected 283 would do 0-60 in 5.7 seconds and top out at 135 MPH. The 283 was built in various forms from 1957 through 1967. In a small car like a Chevy Nova, Performance was good. On the tires available in the sixties and seventies it was hard to hook up most big blocks off the line, and a potent small block would win a lot of stop light drags, especially if the next light was only a few hundred feet away.
Fred and Debra MacDonald couldn't keep mine on the road at 100 with tn
old bias ply tires
Fred and Debra MacDonald Exactly...that's why magazine articles never showed big block potential..slicks and some rear axle control would take 1 1/2 to 2 sec. off a big block's time..headers would add 50 or more hp..
Fred and Debra MacDonald 99
Speaking of off the line, my little (180hp) 3L early 80's 911 can walk most any F Body for 100 feet because of rear weight bias. Then I pray for that short stop light cause after, the party's over.
I had a 1967 Buick Skylark 4dr which came with a 340-cubic-inch-displacement V8 engine using a Rochester 2-barrel carburetor and producing 220 hp (160 kW) at 4400 rpm. Coupled with a 2 speed power glide transmission, it was rather quick on the line.
I had one too the best sleeper car I ever owned no ody asked me to drive it lol I wouldn't have let them anyhow beat alot of vettes
In all fairness, the K-code HiPo Ford 289 was legendary from '63-'66, and was only 'overlooked' in 1967 when you could get a big block 390 in the Mustang, and 428 Police Interceptor in the Shelby. That year, only 472 Mustangs were ordered with the K-code.
Yeah and gas was 30 cents a gallon!
Boss 429 the “hemi killers “
No they werent. Maybe if you did a bunch of modifications to them like a bigger carburetor, a more aggressive camshaft, and headers A bone stock BOSS 429 was a low 14 second car. Stock 426 Hemi Mopar's routinely ran low to mid 13's in the 1/4 mile. 428 CJ Mustang's clicked off quicker 1/4 mile times than the stock BOSS 429's did. Watch the TH-cam video called 10 Quickest Cars of 1970. The BOSS 429 wasn't even in the top 10. A 70 Torino Cobra 429 SCJ was #9 but that was the only Ford that made the top 10. It was all 426 Hemi and 440/6 Mopar's, an LS6 Chevelle, and a Buick GSX 455 Stage 1
A friend of mine was a motorhead back in high school - he worked at AAA in the summers and saved for a 1971 Plymouth Duster 340. It had the 3-speed automatic on the floor. All he did was have the carb reworked, little hotter cam and headers. From a rolling start at around 10 mph there wasn't a whole lot in suburbia that could beat it.
My sister had one exactly like your friend it was a very very nice car
came here to see some engines i never heard of and you show all the most popular engines lol ridiculous!
I gave my 66 charger with a big 318 the dang thing wont die he starts it once a year to keep the rods oiled, after warm up still runs strong. Just don't make them like they used to. Good vid, thanks for the memories!
Just subscribed to your channel. I like your style and knowledge. Was wondering what your thoughts were on some of the small block V8 engines that were shipped to Australia like the 351 V8 Cleveland? An engine popular and highly praised by us Aussie rev heads as it was used in our championship V8 muscle race car the Ford Falcon XY GTHO back in 1971 and it is now a car that sells for over a million dollars now in Australia and that engine was available to us as the highest stock V8 in our large Fords up until 1969-81. Any thoughts?
Also remember if we're talking about lesser known V8's the Australian only built Cleveland 302 was the 3 inch stroke version of the Cleveland 351 and had 53 cc combustion chambered heads, when these heads are bolted (direct fit) to a 351C the compression ratio jumps to close to 11:1 and although requiring 100/130 octane Avgas provides an easy 330 hp with the appropriate cam.
Incidently later Cleveland blocks were cast in the Gelong casting plant here in Ausrralia and are a thickwall block unlike the USA thinwall blocks.
The 302 Cleveland was fitted with a 4 barrel Carter Thermoquad (750 cfm ) in later Ford Falcon models and cammed correctly using oil restrictors to keep better oil pressure on the crankshaft bearings a ( a known Cleveland design fault ) on higher revving engines the 302 would rev very nicely.
my 340 with a good build has 425+ h.p.!!!!! great engine!
This to me is like looking at jewelry or fine art. This is the luster every gearhead desires. Let's not forget those early Impalas powered by those 409 gear jammin down the Dragstrip or the Cobrajet Torinos making big power at the same drags.
K code 289 is legendary among first generation mustang collectors. Those cars (that still have original engine) command the best prices of all early, non Shelby mustangs
The 340 is awesome in a challenger very relaxing And lots of power
AMC 390/401? Even the 343 and 360 were beasts
A friend back in our teen years had a 68 Javelin with a 390- 4spd it had some punch.
And yet the Buick 350 is left out of the picture.. That torque monster won me many a race.
350 Buick is the best V8 ever
Jeff Martin 350 rocket 🚀
A block so strong they built a diesel out of it in the early 80s
I had a 1968 Barracuda 340S 4 speed and I loved that car. Used to eat 383 Road Runners for lunch. The Firestone Wide Ovals lasted less than a month.
Slight error on the Ford 289 HP engine: the carburetor was an Autolite of about 470 cfm. The Shelby GT350 engine rated at 306 hp however, did sport a 600 cfm Holley carburetor.
Now the shelby R version was a runner. Added on a decent carb, an excellent dual plane aluminum intake and tri Y headers to the K for the standard GT350. The R also had a really good performing LeMans cam. That car is a 12 second drag car with gears and slicks.
Oldsmobile 307 V8 might not have a lot of horsepower but she won’t die 😭❤️❤️
No one ever called the Olds four-four-two, the four forty-two!! That's like fingernails on a chalkboard!!
Yes. That and pronouncing era as error. I always wanted a 4-4-2. My first car was a '73 Toronado 455. It weighed 6000 lbs, but once you got it rolling it was amazingly quick and would top out at 130 mph. Wouldn't turn or stop, though, and at 7 mpg too expensive to drive. Modern cars are better, but I miss that big V8 thunder.
Faw Faw Faw- Faw Faw Faw Faw..Linda Richman, Coffee Talk on SNL!
LOL
I usta call em a quad quad deuce just to agitate people, lol
If it read like "four fourty-two" it would look like this: "4 42". It's "Four Four Two" (442) He should have known.
Good list. The 340 and 327 both had steel cranks, short stroke,big bore , quick and loved to sing!!!
hardly unknown engines, these were common engines that can still be found today
Great video man, you really did your homework on all of the facts and figures
this is a joke, everyone has heard about these engines. how about the dodge 273 super commando?
Owed one with a scat pack, in a '65 Dart GT Crwn HDTP.
the gmc industrial v-6 motors run for about 500k miles
BFD
Will Wood-I had a '67 Barracuda fastback 4 speed manual with the 273 Commando stock but put a Holly 500 2 barrel and traction bars and since it was only about 2,900 Lb.s it was a very strong runner and could easily pull away from big blocks off the line!
Chevy owners consider them beet money!
I had a 2bbl 289 in my 64-1/2 ‘Strang. I LOVED that little engine.
My 1962 Corvair spyter could out run a stock 289. However a HO 289 could outrun me,lol . Only made that mistake once.
While these are obscure they're quite forgotten. The 390 GTA from the '67 Fairlane and the 427 ford "cammer" that was outlawed. The cammer was the first dual overhead cam big block by ford. The GTA Fairlane would clock 100 mph on street tires in the 1/4 and that was '67 tires. On a side note nobody that raced in the '70's forgot the 340. They were ultra quick in light cars.
The 350 Pontiac V8 was very underrated and unappreciated and was definitely overshadowed by the 400. I've seen a few 350 equiped 1968 to 1969 firebirds and they took off the line very respectfully. 😇
Ford 406? Very little known and underrated.
no love for my mercury 410 D= ...its hard to be a mercury guy! no one likes you, even our own ford brethrens!
What about the Edsel 410 (different block than the 66-67 Mercury 410) and Edsel 383 from the late 50's?
Overshadowed by the 427.
The Merc Turnpike Cruiser had a 430 ci.
@@789pokey same as the Lincoln engine
My 68 pontiac firebird H.O. I love it! You hit the throttle and it just doesn't back down! Love my Pontiac!